40k-lore-chat

[dapper gyro]

DOGE is bullshit.

[arctic talon]

This year

Lol

Which tells me more about the average voter

[outer wave]

Because disinfo is so rampant now, and many Americans are very uneducated on such issues

[arctic talon]

Then any actual tangible effect

[storm jungle]

Its like medieval times. When your population is dumb and easily swayed, their masses outweigh the smarter minority.

[dapper gyro]

At this point, the US deserve every internal conflict it has.

[opaque coyote]

He... also might have used Elon Musk to tamper with the polls themselves.

But the investigation is still ongoing.

[storm jungle]

Explains why they lost all of em

[arctic talon]

Less liberal people voted by a significant margin compared to the previous elections lol

[opaque coyote]

But considering they found an entire New York county with no votes for Kamala. Not even one. It's looking a bit suspicious.

[storm jungle]

All the same to me honestly

lol

[arctic talon]

(Insert leftist infighting joke)

[storm jungle]

wheres that quote again

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-tommy-lee-jones-smart-dumb-panic-gif-20007208

yallah

[opaque coyote]

The only thing a leftist hates more than a fascist... is a leftist with 95% of the same goals and politics, but 5% that's extremely different.

[arctic talon]

See: the Spanish civil war

See: Chinese civil war

[sly ivy]

F

[median star]

faze town huh

[arctic talon]

See; the Russian civil war

the list continues

[storm jungle]

idk what that means

[arctic talon]

I will always mock people who refuse to make 0 compromise and then complain when things go badly

lol

[median star]

foolish

[dapper gyro]

US was so salty about the 2nd Indochina war that they decided to help the Khmer Rouge and China to attack Vietnam...

[storm jungle]

Yeah i just join servers for emotes so idk

[arctic talon]

The real reason was because of the USSR

China and the US both opposed the USSR having a foothold in the region

[storm jungle]

To be fair tho

is there an evil regime the US did not ever help

[arctic talon]

So they sided with the Khmer fucking Rouge

[dapper gyro]

Also count the civilian killed vs the US soldiers lost as score for winning...

[sly ivy]

Ok Krait

[arctic talon]

The CCP

[storm jungle]

Pretty cool planet.

[arctic talon]

North Korea

Isis(maybe)

[storm jungle]

Anything else?

[arctic talon]

Depends on where those guns went from the CIA

[storm jungle]

Now list all the ones they did.

[arctic talon]

South Africa

[storm jungle]

actually nvm dont

[arctic talon]

I’m just spitballing

[storm jungle]

we'll be here for like an hour

[arctic talon]

I’m lazy

Lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao yea

[arctic talon]

If a country has an evil regime

[storm jungle]

also me when Jonas Savimbi

[arctic talon]

There’s always one of 2 powers

Which backed them

It’s either the USSR or USA

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah the rule is if its capitalist they'll support that one

if not uhhh you know

[arctic talon]

Or nowadays I guess it’s China or the USA

Lol

[sly ivy]

Ugh I can’t believe we started talking about politics and no one even got in a fight

[arctic talon]

Pick one

[sly ivy]

I’ll never get my fix

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because like

[arctic talon]

Not always technically

But yeah

We’re adults

[storm jungle]

everyone else hates him

and you are smart enough to not defend your points too much

since you are outnumbered

[arctic talon]

We can discuss things with civility

[storm jungle]

so it kinda stay slike this

[sly ivy]

I didn’t say I was a Trump supporter did I???

[arctic talon]

Anyways uh glory to the CCP

[sly ivy]

I said I thought this admin was a mixed bag

[arctic talon]

or else daddy Xi will kill me when I visit China

[storm jungle]

Oh right my bad

(s)

[sly ivy]

Rip

[arctic talon]

I’m joking

The CCP only killed like

[dapper gyro]

I'm also Canadian, so you know how mad I am about Trump.

[arctic talon]

A quarter of my family during the cultural revolution

[storm jungle]

Its really easy to hate the man

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

people act like its Ronald Reagan

[sly ivy]

Jfc

[storm jungle]

where you actually kinda need to slightly dig to hate him lol

here its a bit too easy

[arctic talon]

Tbf they were nationalists

So already a bad spot

Lol

And then the cultural revolution

Was you know

Truly

A glorious China moment

[dapper gyro]

Well, currently, I have double reason to hate on the USA.

[arctic talon]

Anyways I hate tankies

[dapper gyro]

Actually, 2.5 times... because I speak french...

[opaque coyote]

PRICELESS ARTIFACTS?

BURN THEM

[outer wave]

You quebecian?

[arctic talon]

There’s only one thing I’ll give tankies

And that’s that no one got killed in Tainanman square itself

Ignore uh

Everything else

That happened that day

[dapper gyro]

Living there, but barely is...

[arctic talon]

Ignore the Chinese military killing a bunch of people in the city

Lol

[opaque coyote]

I was gonna say "They have a decent theme song"

[sly ivy]

Based. … not even based just sensible

[outer wave]

I see I see, hope it's going okay for ya

[dapper gyro]

Why??

[opaque coyote]

Same

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[outer wave]

I dunno, just hope you're doing okay

[arctic talon]

There’s a timeline not too far from this one

[opaque coyote]

Here is something non-political

[arctic talon]

Where the CCP and Nationalist China didn’t stab each other in the back

[outer wave]

It sounded like it was hard to fit into Quebec for ya that's all

[arctic talon]

Lol

Now granted

I’m sure that would have probably led

To China imploding again

But China is the true king of balkanization

[opaque coyote]

The deaths in WW2 would've been less at least.

[arctic talon]

No it wouldn’t

lol

[dapper gyro]

Oh, thanks. It is not as bad as people say.

[opaque coyote]

Would make up for it with the Balkanization for sure though

[arctic talon]

The nationalists still probably would have blown up the fucking dam

That killed like a million+ people

Also it didn’t even stop the Japanese

[opaque coyote]

Big brain

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kmt-chiang-kai-shek-real-kuomintag-patriots-chiefs-taiwan-gif-17579615360057427467

[sly ivy]

China Japan and US are like obviously the main characters good job @arctic talon in being a triple protagonist

[arctic talon]

Based “flood the entire yellow river”

[outer wave]

Oh okay, I've just heard that Quebecians can be rather uh... anti Anglo, or even people attempting to learn French?

[opaque coyote]

I swear that sounds like something I'd read in a fucking 40k book

[arctic talon]

They KMT blew up several dams

Causing a horrific flood

It’s probably the most destructive and lethal man made flood in modern history

It also didn’t even stop the Japanese like planned

It just delayed the Japanese by like, a few months

Lol

And then the Japanese did what the Japanese do in WW2

[opaque coyote]

"Imperial Commander KMT blew up the Dams containing most of the Hive's water supply, causing a horrific flood that lead millions to drown and billions to die of dehydration.

It is well known for being one of the greatest successes of the Imperium World 'Backwater-V'. It delayed the Orks by a whole 1 month.'

[dapper gyro]

Eh, it is rather incorrect. A lot people here will try to speak english to you if you are nice, as in just being a normal decent person, to them, even the more remoted places.

[storm jungle]

Reality is always stranger than fiction.

Theres a reason books never show Imperial Guard committing atrocities against other humans usually lol

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

in reality the Guard would do like what China, Germany, Japan etc did to people 1000 times fold lmao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1354577144440688736/1356243022899052634/LEGION_LEADER.gif?width=750&height=422

[dapper gyro]

Try as in their English is broken as hell...

[outer wave]

That's good to know. I only really recall having a convo with someone in broken French in Quebec city and she was nice about it, but wasn't sure if that was universal. Glad to hear it's pretty alright

[opaque coyote]

Like a wild combo of Imperial Japanese "Honor", Nazi Industry, and the atrocities of both.

[storm jungle]

Pretty much. People are way too brainwashed ironically into thinking guard protags are good people most of the time, its just written that way to make you be able to relate to them.

[dapper gyro]

It is funny because many of the typical "nice" Canadian things come from Quebec.

[storm jungle]

people also just dont want to be reminded of IRL atrocities too much which is fair lol

[outer wave]

Warhammer fans when they read Lolita

[opaque coyote]

It is hard to relate to somebody committing several war crimes

While laughing maniacally at shooting their families

So it's not shown

[storm jungle]

AUGHHHH

[opaque coyote]

Unless if it's the Night Lords series

[dapper gyro]

"But warcrimes don't exist in 40K"...

[storm jungle]

its okay guys

the other human combatants were chaos

go get em

[outer wave]

I find that BC isn't as nice or has alot of bitter people, so I got no idea where the nice Canadian came from

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

"Wait, but the MC is just trying to help her! It's okay!"

[opaque coyote]

This is 100% cope.

But I like to believe that most rebellions are labeled as "Heretical"/corrupted. When they're just normal

[sly ivy]

😦 I hear bc has changed a lot last couple decades

[opaque coyote]

But the Guard just believes they're Chaos or whatever

[dapper gyro]

They want to resurgence against us, THE human faction, kill them all!!!

[opaque coyote]

So any rebellion is labeled as "fighting heretics"

And only 30% is actually chaos corrupted

[outer wave]

There's a street downtown, Pandora street, in Victoria that's just tent city. It's not great, but this place is still beautiful.

Sadly dating scene is pretty bad lmao

[dapper gyro]

They didn't pay tax because their population is exhausted ... well, kill them!

[storm jungle]

In reality yeah its cope because we are straight out shown/told its chaos or GSC related.

but its not unbelievable for the Imperium to propagandize it.

[sly ivy]

😦

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I thought that maybe they just label every rebellion as Chaos/GSC/whatever related

So any rebellion that actually is just "confirms" it

Selective bias

[outer wave]

It's still a nice place though, I prefer it to Prince George, even if the latter is cheaper (relatively)

It's home for me after all

[opaque coyote]

We only get to see the ones that actually are though

And it makes me kinda sad

[outer wave]

Imagine we saw genuinely good people in 40k

Not just relatable and somewhat good people

[dapper gyro]

Sally? Nah, don't kid yourself.

[outer wave]

Sally?

[dapper gyro]

Salamander SM chapter

[outer wave]

AHHHH I see now

[sly ivy]

That’s good. Bad dating scene sucks tho

BC is so beautiful

[opaque coyote]

I want to have the Imperium brutally repress a rebellion that only wants like

Actual food or something

[outer wave]

Tbf hinge and such aren't ideal. I'd rather date in person

[opaque coyote]

No chaos or GSC just a rebellion trying to make it

With it being ended by the Imperium executing them all

[dapper gyro]

I'm in Ottawa right now, my bosses are recommending Hinge...

[opaque coyote]

Honestly although the "T'au originally being good" is a misconception

I do agree with the general sentiment that I wish there was a faction that was specifically out of place

A bit of light to make the shadows much more apparent

[sly ivy]

Hell u can do that in the first hour of Rogue Trader lmao

[opaque coyote]

Like a fleet of DAoT humans come back from the warp and are like

"WHAT THE FUCK??"

Doesn't need to be that

Obviously

The DAoT should still be mostly a mystery

[sly ivy]

Bet DAoT humans are horrible post-singularity monsters

[opaque coyote]

But I do think just having a faction that doesn't commit horrific atrocities on the daily would contrast well with ALL THE OTHER MFS

Like the T'au is mostly used for that. But the T'au still do commit horrific acts

And if they were in a lighter universe. They would be the villains.

[sly ivy]

Well also they’re not human

Inherently evil obv

[opaque coyote]

But I just think having a faction that has a modern moral compass

Would contrast well

Also would finally get "Who's the most good faction" people to shut the fuck u-

[sly ivy]

The like ordinary downtrodden humans on Imperial planets I feel often have a traditional kind of moral sensibility

I know that’s not a faction

Codex: Plebs

[opaque coyote]

I honestly feel like it would be sorta mixed.

Because, well, we only developed agriculture 10,000 years ago currently.

30,000 years later people would have a much different moral compass

I still feel like the basics like "killing somebody for no reason isn't good" would apply.

But they'd definitely be more willing to kill people.

[sly ivy]

Ok fair.

Otoh some basics of morality seem to be at least like 100k years old if isolate modern cultures like hunter gatherers are any guide.

[opaque coyote]

And even a regular downtrodden probably has killed somebody out of self defense.

[outer wave]

Same tbh

[sly ivy]

But then some things we take for granted like equality and liberty are very much late Western and require like the succession of Greece and Rome + Christianity + Enlightenment

[outer wave]

Also oof, that sucks man.

[opaque coyote]

True. Apparently there is a theory on why women were considered "inferior" for so long.

Since Hunter gatherers actually treated them equally.

Agriculture. Essentially, with the ability to specialize, gender norms and roles grew.

At first it was just "You do this, I do that"

But then it became so ingrained that any attempted separation just "felt wrong"

[sly ivy]

If you read the primary literature on hunter gatherers this isn’t really true.

Gender roles were pretty similar

And men had all the real power in just about every hg society especially very old ones like the Khoisan and Hadza

[opaque coyote]

Sorta, but also it was more just "I do that, you do this".

Than "This is wrong, you shouldn't do that "

[sly ivy]

Ehhhhh all leaders are men.

And war + politics is done by men.

[opaque coyote]

True. Well there are exceptions but still true.

[sly ivy]

yes small exceptions but overall like

It’s because men on average are stronger than women in any given population tbh

[opaque coyote]

Generally, I think by the time civilization fully came along. Gender roles became more of a fact than just well... "Specialize in this".

[sly ivy]

And also various aggression effects + urge to compete and dominate

Which are very well documented effects of testosterone

[opaque coyote]

Now if only testosterone didn't give us male pattern baldness

Now if God does exists, and I can ask him a question. I would ask him why Male Pattern Baldness exists

[sly ivy]

Lmaoooo

Yes

[opaque coyote]

I like my hair

I am afraid of losing it

I don't mind being old. I do mind losing my hairline

That is probably the only case where I'll get cosmetic surgery

[outer wave]

I'm getting creases between my eyebrows

I hate it

[opaque coyote]

Harhar

[outer wave]

😔

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, it would be funny if our souls were literally just like

Gaming with our bodies currently

Like we're just the "player character"

Being born in somewhere like North Korea?

Challenge run

[outer wave]

That's just the Matrix

[opaque coyote]

Imagine dying

Waking up in the afterlife

And being like

"SHIT THAT RUN FAILED."

[sly ivy]

Ottawa is the weirdest fucking city

[opaque coyote]

Reincarnation is just trying again

[sly ivy]

Like it has all the city things but it feels so dead

[opaque coyote]

There's a lot of those

Especially in the nowhere towns of America

Cleveland Ohio moment

Not even saying Detroit because they're actually improving

Still in a bad spot but a step up is a step up

[arctic talon]

Chiang “I would rather kill 1000 innocent people then let one communist live” Kai Shek

He was also a Marxist btw

[sly ivy]

😦

[arctic talon]

I should make an inquisitor based on Chaing Kai Shek/hj

[pulsar bay]

Astropath Palase, has intercepted some worrying reports from Hive Demetrium, eternally the enemies of mankind have gnawed the God-Emperor's great work, but now the enemy turns it's baleful gaze upon this world and the sub-sector, we will not let them befoul this bastion of His light, we are of the Emperor's Holy Inquisition, We are His Divine Judgement, and none shall escape our sight.

I shall be sending you into the Hive Spire, start your investigation there and work your way down, determine the extent of the corruption, and drive the filth from this world, raise their strongholds, and any that have fallen from the Emperor's Grace.

Choose your allies carefully, we know not who is tainted and who is still loyal

High Inquisitor Varax.```

this is a call for my Dark Heresy 2e game, focusing on Investigation, Socialising, and Combat, there is some homebrew, as I'm adding elements from the older systems, So far we only have Only War, but I plan to add Xeno PC options in soon, If you'd like to join in for a session 0 feel free to DM me

Restriction: please be from Europe, just for ease of timezones

looking for 5-7 players, 3 spots filled

[vagrant fox]

I wonder how a game recruited from this discord will go 🤔

[astral burrow]

Weird

[queen laurel]

i'm blowing up the 1st combat environment

[barren prawn]

🤔 how long until human Tau's have enough numbers to fuck it up from the inside?

[sharp pollen]

remove "it up from the inside?"

[plush mason]

likely never given the strict caste system

[hexed orchid]

They've already managed to create a minor warp god for the greater good. Making good progress already

[plush mason]

afaik auxilaries never have much say within the tau empire

they are all basically second-class citizens below even the fire caste

[plush mason]

yeah but that cant do much due to the tau having basically no warp presence

[hexed orchid]

Because it's based off the other species in the empire. It's power comes from them. And the more the empire expands, the worse it will get.

I'm sure nothing bad will come of this

[plush mason]

im sure if it does start to cause problems the ethereals will just start purging the auxiliaries

[raven stone]

Tau empire running into modern era issues of different species having tribalism...

[storm jungle]

A mod banned a guy today comparing LA rioters to "hordes of the corrupted" and that it looks like darktide + send in the marines and shoot on sight

And people ask me why I despise this fandom sometimes

[vagrant fox]

crazy that reality is just like video game

[storm jungle]

ikr

[queen laurel]

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

hordes of the corrupted are way more approachable thank you very much

[sly ivy]

Based I mean oh how terrible

[storm jungle]

Your turn is next hopefully.

[sly ivy]

I can’t access my saves

[sly ivy]

I’m too cautious

You’ll never be rid of me

[storm jungle]

Yeah doubt it

[sly ivy]

Honestly it’s commendable / impressive you guys allow any politics or current events even though you often regret it lol

[raven stone]

There is a very, very thin line

LA...I would just say it is an absolute mixed mess

[storm jungle]

I mean we dont really regret it?

[raven stone]

Genuine refugee concerns mixed with criminal opportunists hiding in the crowds

[sly ivy]

I wonder whether the banning would have happened if it had been the (misguided) Jan 6 rioters

[raven stone]

The government response is also an opportunistic power grab

[storm jungle]

Depends on the context.

[sly ivy]

Good a

Tbh

[storm jungle]

Comparing what that guy said to that is a bit lol

[sly ivy]

Weirdly I trust that kinda

LA wouldn’t be la without occasional fiery riots

Local flavor

Sad about the local businesses that are getting fucked

[raven stone]

Ultimately, how you express those arguments matters equally.

[sly ivy]

Yes I make sure only 2 call lefties peeepee and not poopoo

[raven stone]

You and, to a lesser extent myself, may well lean a bit more conservative compared to server average.

But we don't run around claiming people are "demonic hordes"

[sly ivy]

I literally have voted dem my entire life hahahaha

But yes

Agreed

[raven stone]

Goes to show how things are shifting to extremes as well I guess

[sly ivy]

Likelydisciple too I guess.

I think there’s a good spectrum

[storm jungle]

Was that the guy who thinks god chose trumpeteer

[sly ivy]

With so many nationalities too there’s going to be nuance thank god

If it were just Americans or even western euros it would be terrible

[raven stone]

Nuance is being killed off by most of the internet

[storm jungle]

I mean

theres only like 3 users here amidst like 7-8 who kinda think the opposite

but yes lol

[sly ivy]

NOT ON 40K LORE CHAT BY GOD we keep nuance alive 4 the commonwealth

[raven stone]

(As someone influenced by Buddhist philosophy all I could say is whilst I cam agree with the statement not being true I can, oddly, see where it is coming from, from a pseudo theological standpoint)

[sly ivy]

I’m also obviously only being serious in like 5% of my posts

[storm jungle]

Its very easy to see right from wrong most of the time yeah.

This isnt really that much of a complex debate either I dont really think at least

[sly ivy]

I think there are some real arguments to be had about proximate wrongs for a greater right

Like….. many actions taken during wwii. Or wars in general.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but I mean right now

[sly ivy]

Or like with a social safety net — what standard of living should non contributing members of society have? What is ok? How do you determine whether they’re disabled? Is extreme drug addiction a disability?

[shadow plover]

People of LA should just stand by and let the Amerikkkan gestapo kidnap their friends and family

[sly ivy]

(I believe in a strong taxpayer-funded safety net fyi Dilara haha)

[fathom flame]

Ppl need to learn how to look at other people, as people
Not as covert agents trying to corrupt something, or some other evil intent

It's almost as if vast majority are just trying to get by

[sly ivy]

I mean immigration is another proximate wrong general good thing. Most people agree open borders would destroy nations.

Some think that’s good.

But like I’m such a soft heart if I were put in charge with no oversight I would let in every sob story at the door

[storm jungle]

Sorry jerk, its more complex than that

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-democracy-i-love-democracy-gif-13935227

[shadow plover]

Guess I'll let them do whatever they want then, can't comprehend too complex stuff clearly

[storm jungle]

Pretty much lol

something-something uhhh "nothing ever happens"

[sly ivy]

As I said — you have to decide where you sit on the open / closed borders spectrum and then be ok with enforcement. Right?

I don’t know what the “right” position is.

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[shadow plover]

Whatever person's opinions are on borders doesn't warrant the actions ICE / US Gov are doing / have been doing to be real

[storm jungle]

You can also handle something like removing people from your country without lowering yourself to literal gestapo methods.

Im never gonna forget that one muslim girl being fucking kidnapped infront of her school, legit horrifying

[sly ivy]

There’s an argument — beyond errors which how many have been documented?? — that they’re enforcing the law. Law enforcement is often ugly.

I’m not saying that’s the right argument or that everything is the way it should be.

[pulsar bay]

If you wanna find out feel free to join

[pulsar bay]

2 slots left

[sly ivy]

I bet peopek are above average players

Not including me

[pulsar bay]

Peopek?

[sly ivy]

That’s my Mayan name

[fathom flame]

scapegoated group of people - exist
Certain individuals - 😡 😡 😡

Tale old as time

[vagrant fox]

just do what denmark did 4head
stop the refugees at the border and pack them on a train before sending them directly to sweden

but canada in this case

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[vagrant fox]

Weirdass behaviour but I suppose it worked, I guess

[storm jungle]

Its kinda why I dont really care much about things like where someone is from lol

Turkish people like my folks complain about syrians and how they are ruining our country.

I go out to the street.

Theres 2 turkish guys stealing a fucking kids bike

To me its the person that matters at the end of the day and how they act really

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-the-dude-jeff-bridges-relaxing-relax-gif-2512995126259309940

[fathom flame]

Nah you don't get it, they defo must just be on a bad path in their life but they'll turn around /s

Nah for real tho, we get the same here

[storm jungle]

For real homeboy 😭

At the end of the day I find myself not caring that much, being a good person to people that deserve it costs nothing

[sly ivy]

Yah but as I said there’s a spectrum. Open borders seems extreme

[vagrant fox]

At this point I can only justify being xenophobic to Norwegians, it's a very sad world

[sly ivy]

And then how do you enforce

Assuming you fail at the border

Or you can be for open borders which is fine

[fathom flame]

One of the mainstream channels here that's ridiculously popular lately is broadcasting such exaggerated content, so targeted and full of paranoia it makes me sick after just few seconds
And majority are consuming it's content

No wonder there's so much polarisation going on

[vagrant fox]

Yea don't touch the news it's bad for your brain meat

[fathom flame]

At the mention of key phrases you can activate anger in their audience, it's insane

[astral burrow]

Lmao

[fathom flame]

There's news and then there's news
You can present a subject without making shit up, or targeting hate at people

[vagrant fox]

Well, yea, there's that

I find it has to be as boring as mundanely worded as possible before I look at it

Which is likely another pitfall but eh

[sly ivy]

It’s pretty hard to find neutral news these days

[fathom flame]

Also I saw that someone got nuked fast

[fathom flame]

No not really

[sly ivy]

Sucks

[storm jungle]

just watch SirSwag

[sly ivy]

Yes really. In the US at least.

[storm jungle]

literally the only news site I trust lol

well "site"

[sly ivy]

Fortunately it’s easier than ever to find raw data

Just who has the time to crunch it

… abominable intelligence will save us all

😬

[vagrant fox]

The mouse is apparently sueing MidiJourney, the era of AI is over 🤓

[storm jungle]

Aint no way

[sharp pollen]

https://fixupx.com/Dexerto/status/1932845603865964951

Dexerto (@Dexerto)

Disney & Universal have sued AI company ‘Midjourney’ for copyright infringement
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︀︀“Midjourney is… a bottomless pit of plagiarism”

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FixupX · Jun 11, 2025, 5:01 PM

[vagrant fox]

Of course it'd be the mouse, someone touched its shit and now it's frothing

[astral burrow]

Honestly

If it does go anywhere

Huge win

[fathom flame]

Let's hope small artists win from this too

But they're probably either way doomed
Agree to have AI bros replace you
Agree to have Corpo bros take your shit down

[vagrant fox]

Well...

[astral burrow]

They will take shit down anyway

They might as well take down ai shit too

So there is only one enemy

Let them eat each other

[sly ivy]

Has anyone here read bostrom’s superintelligence

[fathom flame]

Large corpos have their own AI to feed slop to you with

[astral burrow]

Artists over at Disney do deserve it too tho

[sly ivy]

R we fukd chat

[astral burrow]

One thing at a time

[fathom flame]

Also remember when you work for a company, well depends on the contract, but often times the creations still belong to corp

Artist drew it but has no rights to it, it's company's property

But then it depends on contract

[vagrant fox]

Modern philosophy? In my house? I don't think so

[astral burrow]

They still made the art, and deserve to be treated like artists

[sly ivy]

Si

[sly ivy]

Also it’s just good business to do this

Otherwise you lose em

You have to balance the extreme freedom desired naturally by your employed creatives on the one hand

And the intense possessiveness of your general council on the other

[fathom flame]

Start with paying them normal wages already works
Hiring and work practices in art industry can be soul stripping
There's no shortage of capable, starving artists unfortunately - so they capitalise on that

[sly ivy]

Ya just the way the market works. 😐

I think art is intrinsically important and am in favor of both public and private patronage

[fathom flame]

And if you opt to work a normal job and not an art job you're falling behind skill wise to competition
So people take anything if they need to, even if the contract is not in their favour

[sly ivy]

Though it has to be free of ideology if possible. The selection not the artists.

[fathom flame]

Wtf
The market works this way because they can run it that way lol

It doesn't have to work like this

[sly ivy]

What’s the solution that changes it?

[fathom flame]

Tackle legalities of hiring methods? Target loop holes that allow it to happen?

It's really not difficult, just not in favour of the corpos

Because god forbid multi billion company pays living wage to its employees

[sly ivy]

Um.

How does this address overproduction of artists vs demand

[humble shoal]

crap wages is sorta just a product of globalization and worker supply

[fathom flame]

They're going to get grinded through the machine anyways, least you can do is ensure they're paid well

And not less than minimal lol

But hey if they get together with decent wage maybe they'll start their own studios

We don't want that do we, competition bad for monopoly

[humble shoal]

Disney tried that back in the day

[sly ivy]

Ok this still doesn’t provide a reasonable market based solution

[humble shoal]

Then walt's second favorite animator started a strike

At the very least in the US, any attempts to forcibly improve conditions for artists will result in more outsourcing of labor to sweat shops in SEA

Which to be clear a lot of animation studios have been doing for decadesm already

[astral burrow]

That's part of being treated like an artist, getting paid well

[fathom flame]

If the outcome is the same then what's stopping it, just give em better wages to afford changing their occupation lel

[astral burrow]

You think they are forced to be artists?

Why would they change their jobs

[fathom flame]

Sadly the stigma is that artists are working a luxury job and therefore just work is reward

[astral burrow]

Just let them do what they do and pay them well

[astral burrow]

Treat artists better to begin with

But just cuz an artist works for a corp, doesn't mean it is okay for their work to be fed to an ai

[humble shoal]

Try to push it through legistlation then, wont change a thing

Way to force better treatment would be to add protectionist legislation limiting companies ability to outsource, and a strong union to enforce upward mobility on wages

[fathom flame]

Im not saying it is, but that's usually the case that the work they on the IP belongs to people owning the IP

[humble shoal]

But also would require saturation of artists joining the union, which is also unlikely.

[fathom flame]

This but apply it to most industries working anything digital lol

[humble shoal]

yes

but would also most likely cause a massive collapse due to a massive reliance on outsourced labor atm.

[humble shoal]

I pity you if the unrest lasts another 2 weeks and the arvites channel comes.

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[wet sandal]

Based.... So fvcking.... zased......

[humble shoal]

should have made a mechanicus class because then people would just be talking about how much they want to fuck robots

[wet sandal]

Emperor's top guy

[glossy sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-memes-gif-19121279

[humble shoal]

Orangutan class when fatshark

[sly ivy]

Omg

[humble shoal]

ET touch nurgling

[sly ivy]

It is a luxury job. So is mine (academic).

But I think a great nation should accommodate some of those.

just… the market will do what it’s gonna do

[glossy sonnet]

the hell is that

[queen laurel]

Jokaero

[sly ivy]

My beloved

Monke when fatshark

When

[humble shoal]

The only xenos species allied with the imperium

[fathom flame]

How do you define a luxury job

Because the stigma usually just assumes artists (and by extension many other creatives) just draw pretty stuff all day and walk home with a smile on their face

[humble shoal]

Any white collar job that doesnt explicitly help the world functioning

[fathom flame]

And artists don't?

[humble shoal]

No

Not explicitly

Think "if this job is not done people will die"

If it isnt that

[fathom flame]

Go ahead then, take away all songs, movies, books, UI elements, video games, interfaces, ban dancing and other live performances

[humble shoal]

My man I am giving you the definition of a luxury job

I am not passing any judgment on the importance of work

But no artists doesnt equal dead people

No sanitation workers does

No construction workers does

No shipping workers does

[fathom flame]

Do these things not help world functioning?

[humble shoal]

...

Are you being purposely uncharitable

An artist is not required for base survival

Any job not required for base survival, is a luxury job

Which means a nation needs to be sufficiently built up with non-luxury jobs, for luxury jobs to exist.

That is what makes them a luxury

Yes this makes almost every modern job a luxury job

Because as it turns out, we are living in an age where base necessities are more easily accessible.

[astral burrow]

It is a luxury job, doesn't mean doing the job itself is a luxury

[humble shoal]

This is true

[astral burrow]

In fact the job is as exhausting as any other, so people can enjoy the said luxury

It is luxury for the people enjoying it not the people doing it

[sly ivy]

This. I would add that many white collar jobs at big corps and financial institutions obviously do keep the world functioning

[fathom flame]

But then it's really meaningless definition because considering how difficult and complex it is to keep, at least "western" countries going
All of luxury jobs bleed into "non luxury" ones
Unless you wanna go all the way down to harvesting whatever mother nature planted randomly out in the wild

[sly ivy]

But like nonprofits no

[astral burrow]

Artists should be paid nicely regardless of where they work.

[sly ivy]

Academia no. Art etc. no

These are luxury jobs. Especially those involving creative pursuits.

[astral burrow]

Unless it is basic necessities like food, clothing, housing, it is not a necessity

[sly ivy]

That’s not an insult I literally have a luxury job.

[astral burrow]

Luxury jobs are luxuries for those enjoying it, those doing the job deserve to get treated like essential workers.

[sly ivy]

Doing the job is a luxury. I could complain all day about all the paperwork and grants and red tape and teaching and training but I’m sorry there’s still way more creative agency and flexibility than most of my friends enjoy.

[astral burrow]

Not really, it is still work

It is still taxing and exhausting

[fathom flame]

It's a privilege, not luxury

[sly ivy]

Yes luxury work. Because fundamentally one enjoys it.

[astral burrow]

You aren't working any less harder than others

[sly ivy]

and it’s nonessential

[astral burrow]

That depends on the person really

Someone could enjoy baking

Or construction

[sly ivy]

If you didn’t enjoy whatever luxury thing you’d go do something more lucrative

[astral burrow]

Those aren't luxuries

[sly ivy]

That you also didn’t enjoy

[sly ivy]

That’s why I added the and

[astral burrow]

Not really I am sure many people would quit their jobs if they could

They struggle to get one to begin with

[fathom flame]

If you earn the skills and learned the knowledge to fulfil a certain occupation requirement, you have the privilege of working in said occupation

It is not a luxury in itself

[astral burrow]

So many people do paperwork and stuff without enjoying it

It all depends on the person

[sly ivy]

I would be absolutely shocked if a creative type employed somewhere were unable to get a better-paying job doing something more boring

[astral burrow]

"if you don't like your job just go work somewhere just as bad but pays more" is stupid

[humble shoal]

Physics phds when the hedge fund offers them a million a year

[sly ivy]

Yes there are specific exceptions but art and academia and so on are luxury professions.

[astral burrow]

I doubt it

Cuz they would require completely different training and education and whatever, nearly as much as what it took them to be an artist

[humble shoal]

Will also point out there are large subsections of artists

[astral burrow]

Bet many people would quit being artists professionally if they could find another job that pays well so they could keep art as a hobby

[sly ivy]

I said what I said. I don’t have data to back it up just anecdotes from people I know who have had meandering paths.

[astral burrow]

They are lucky if they get a job to begin with

[humble shoal]

Academia can be weird like that

[astral burrow]

It is not a luxury for the person doing it, it is torture if anything

[humble shoal]

Knew a guy who got a tenured adjunct from landscaping

[sly ivy]

I mean the artists and filmmakers I knew in college in this case but yes also

Academia is easy as fuck I can’t stand academics who whine about it

The hard part is getting the job

You literally set your own hours and get the entire summer and all holidays completely off.

[fathom flame]

Yes but u draw and paint or something so it must be all fun and rainbows/s

[sly ivy]

It’s the easiest shit. But it gives me time for my family and to argue with you nincompoops so

[humble shoal]

Some places pay their teachers slightly above minimum wage though

So thats rough

[sly ivy]

… I would say one needs a month or several at a “normal” job to say that being an artist or a poet or whatever — however tormented you may be — is worse.

[sly ivy]

Oh yeah I mean with those I would seriously tell someone to get out. Get a job in industry. Not worth it.

[astral burrow]

Real

[sly ivy]

And I’m talking university level. Schoolteachers are saints. And utterly essential.

[humble shoal]

You are also conflating a diverse group of people under the term artist

A sculptor for example has a completely different job than an animator

Or concert musician

[sly ivy]

nah all the same. Beret, vegan, three cats

[humble shoal]

Even in painting, the money laundering people like banksy make tons of cash

(Which is how art has worked for the longest time)

[sly ivy]

Omg banksy is so annoying

[humble shoal]

The issue is that there is a large amount of slave labor who can be trained to do linework for mass consumption, which leads to the depressed pay for animators.

[sly ivy]

You’re talking about outsourcing?

[humble shoal]

Yeah, and some animation shops that.... pay their animators with food and lodging

[sly ivy]

Globalization is something I need to get a better handle on.

I don’t understand the stakes or the factions well enough.

Or the history.

[humble shoal]

Its a contentious topic among people with a lot of shitflinging

[sly ivy]

Because it seems like a one way street in a lot of ways. The populist left and right campaign against it but neither seems to have a coherent model to roll it back

[humble shoal]

The genie is out of the bottle

[sly ivy]

Also morally like would the foreigners to whom shit is being outsourced actually be better off QoL wise if those jobs went away

Yeah

I realize this is preschool level shit and I should learn some actual economics

[humble shoal]

History wise, started heavy with Accenture in I think it was the 80s

IBM adopted it in the late 80s early 90s

[sly ivy]

Yeah that’s my vague understanding

Re timing

[humble shoal]

And moved a large portion of their work force to india

In the early 2000s IBM tried to move to Africa

It went.... badly

(They paid the wrong warlord and a bunch of the local workers got killed)

[sly ivy]

……..

Bruh

[humble shoal]

Accenture as a consultant firm was (and up until basically this year) was one of the major consulting firms

And was advertised as "you can hire 10 guys over there for every us guy"

This evolved until you get the big 5 indian IT firms that do a large portion of the worlds IT services

For animation, it happened around the same time as IT, but was more east asia like korea and Japan because they already had animation sweatshops set up.

[sly ivy]

Right yeah

[humble shoal]

Then you also add h1b labor to the picture (where you can lowball a foreign person with a work visa and exploit them because they cant leave or they get kicked out of the country)....

[sly ivy]

Right and again it becomes some complicated argument about overall global productivity and about protecting your own citizens’ interests one way vs another. Like protectionism but a smaller economy overall? Still bad for jobs.

And then there’s the moral argument re are these foreigners despite being exploited relative to developed world norms still getting better lives than whatever shitpit they’d be mucking through without?

Disclaimer my family is from the shitpit it’s real for me

Wat no other enlightened souls want 2 jump in and say something about a topic with actual global political impact?

[glossy sonnet]

no I want to talk about warhammer 40k

[vagrant fox]

lets talk eldar and how they're cool and based

[fathom flame]

I was always told by wh40k people that you're only allowed to like space marines and krieg

[sly ivy]

wtf is that

[queen laurel]

I mean you can it's just that doing so you're kind of putting a target on yourself

[sly ivy]

[queen laurel]

the fans of those guys are notoriously well

mentally unwell

[sly ivy]

Krieg fans piss me off only because I haven’t been able to buy a death korps infantry squad anywhere in weeks

Come on I just need a couple to get to 2000 points Jfc

[vagrant fox]

I like space marines and krieg too but the fans are unwell, yea

but that's fandoms in general innit

[sly ivy]

Eldar got some real love in early rogue trader and 90s era. Pretty central to the lore. Maybe unpopular opinion but they seem kinda sidelined now

[vagrant fox]

have a shitty meme i stole also

[sly ivy]

When they make an appearance in novels written by good authors I’m always left wanting more

[vagrant fox]

Eldar could use some more love imho, I'd be a big fan if everyone got brought up to Space Marine levels of attention but ah well

[fathom flame]

This so much

So many cool areas to explore

NO HERE'S ULTRAMARINES

Zzzzz

[sly ivy]

I mean even necrons have that stupid book about the senile one and the insane one that everyone is so crazy about

Meanwhile Eldar actually have some gravitas

Despite being stinky elves

[vagrant fox]

At least there's Valedor

If Mike Brooks fucks up with Voidscarred I'll be worse than a chimp

[sly ivy]

Yeah it’s a miracle that one exists

[tough haven]

You mean infinite and divine, the best xenos book ever?

There’s also such awesome novels of Reign & Ruin, and of course my favorite, Severed

[humble shoal]

As a trench enjoyer the amount of memes has ruined krieg

Anyway the best xenos are the clowns

Imagine if mars was a tomb world

[sly ivy]

That’s the one

[humble shoal]

Insane one is literally me

[languid meadow]

You WILL laugh at another shovel meme or be executed

[outer wave]

Thankfully those memes have largely died down

[humble shoal]

On the other hand tyberos and moloch have never been bigger

[sly ivy]

Why do Krieg have lord commissars in their command squads instead of regimental commanders

[humble shoal]

Because someone has to be the voice of reason

[sly ivy]

Lmao I knew this would be the answer

But then where is the commander

/ military officer

[languid meadow]

Model wise? It's because GW probably wanted to use the lord commissars again since I think there're only two models for them, the Krieg one and Gaunt himself

[humble shoal]

On a baneblade

Driving closer to hit the enemy with his sword

[languid meadow]

It would be this guy, whether or not it's an NCO or the "Junior Officer" described in the box description idk. also what Ebil said is true

[humble shoal]

but tbh regimental commanders would assumedly not be close to the regiment

Since kriegers are based off ww1 combat tactics

And in ww1 regimental commanders were often miles away from their regiment

[sly ivy]

Also krieg command squad sculpts are awesome

[humble shoal]

Also krieg officers sorta look like the commisar

[distant marsh]

Greetings, where I could read what is the "stand and die protocol" that people seem to mention a lot lately with the arbites

[languid meadow]

Idk about it being mentioned in books (I haven't read much arbites stuff) the scene they're referencing is from Tithes an anthology on WarhammerTV

Specifically episode 2

Huh wow I can't find the clip outside of ytshorts beside this one video

https://youtu.be/asPjy4myri8?si=vrzy3tJml6YDC9Tt

[distant marsh]

Uh so it's something that appeared in a show and never mention again? well that's something

[languid meadow]

I don't remember it ever being mentioned outside of that

[celest dome]

I think it's also a mechanic in the Kill Team

[languid meadow]

Arbites lore is kind of wack

Oh yeah that to let me check

[winter vessel]

Its just a cool sounding factor. "stand and die" protocol are basically what Cashiers do whether they work in fast food or retail

[storm jungle]

^

[distant marsh]

Thought it was something like... they plant a flag in place ane evryone in the area would get a stim boost or something... I wasn't expecting this little delivery man wtf 😭

[winter vessel]

i know damn well someone's gonna say that in open chat once the Arbites players in Darktide hear the horde sound

[languid meadow]

I can't find anything in the exaction team rules unless there's another pdf somewhere I don't have

[winter vessel]

Now what was i gonna say...oh yeah, If anyone here has watched Spaceballs a sequel was announced about an hour ago.

[languid meadow]

Wait what

[winter vessel]

yeah, check Amazon MGM Studios channel

[outer wave]

Ah Im familiar with that one "Stand and get yelled at protocol"

[winter vessel]

"COUNTERFIRE"-blinds customer with the Barcode scanner gun

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[outer wave]

"We need reinforcements!" The guy for his evening shift comes up

[winter vessel]

but yeah, announcement for Spaceballs 2, check it out. I'm surprised Mel Brooks is still alive

[outer wave]

Yeah I saw that!

[winter vessel]

the custodes is the front store manager, lmao

[outer wave]

I hope he's still around and healthy by 2027

[languid meadow]

Overtime during the holidays

[outer wave]

Horrifying for anyone wanting to meet the manager

[winter vessel]

accurate as hell

[raven stone]

Police actually doing their bloody job for once 🤣

[winter vessel]

Doing their job, a little too well for me to handle

[languid meadow]

Awesome failed to load image

[polar hill]

I've been getting that too

I think Discord is just being hit with scrap code atm

[queen laurel]

when was it not ever?

thing bug out like a guy getting hit in the head with a baseball bat

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah happened to me just now too

[winter vessel]

no wonder, some guy is getting upset in my helldivers 2 clan since he's trying to post his recording

[outer wave]

Yeah image uploading is getting fucked

[languid meadow]

the new mission bored is so green

https://tenor.com/view/green-humor-its-called-dark-humor-ben-shapiro-green-gif-9517223837801249922

[winter vessel]

wait, why Vanessa Kirby?

[polar hill]

That's Bonnie Blue, not Vanessa Kirby

[rocky gale]

That's not Vanessa Kirby

[polar hill]

She's a hooker who boned 1000 guys in a day and is planning to go for 2000

[rocky gale]

Alex Jones would never go Khorne

He's a Grand Inquisitor

[winter vessel]

ah, the blonde kinda messed me up, since i just got a Fantastic four ad

[storm jungle]

I still cannot believe how asmongold's slob behavior was never exaggerated

I legit thought the jokes about his room was a harmless joke

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[winter vessel]

I look at him and think he must be the Bizarro version of Moistcritikal

[queen laurel]

That's why I say he is a demon Prince of nurgle

It is not an exaggeration

[winter vessel]

now i'm thinking if asmon didn't fit the role, who'd be the next likely candidate to embody a daemon prince of Nurgle

[sharp pollen]

asmongold is not nurgle

he's just a common poxwalker

[rose thorn]

Isn’t she in a legal battle with another OF creator because one of them stole the idea from the other?

[storm jungle]

What in the actual fuck

😭

[rose thorn]

One of the pieces of evidence is both of them pretended to be pregnant at the same time

[tough haven]

https://x.com/MatPatGT/status/1932458863619404194?t=5yDobxWDW315MUCgBXghLA&s=19

MatPat (@MatPatGT)

New quest: Washington DC!

After two years of work, Steph and I have just launched the Creator Economy Caucus in the House of Representatives, a bipartisan group where creators can work alongside lawmakers to ensure legislation is timely and relevant for the Internet age. We've

X · Jun 10, 2025, 3:24 PM

This is interesting

[winter vessel]

this feels like an accurate depiction of "Pre-heresy" EC and "post-heresy" EC

[tough haven]

Unrelated but what would a tech priest that deals with excavation be called?

[languid meadow]

Excavation of what tho

Like archeological? Mining?

[rose thorn]

RONALD REGAAAAANNNN

[winter vessel]

maybe Archeotech?

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-vs-dan-fistshake-angry-yell-gif-12790287

[tough haven]

Like a planet in order to extract resources and to construct more facilities

[languid meadow]

If mining it would probably be a normal magos/whatever the rank they need to oversee

But archeological it would be a specialized one (I forgot the rank/specialization)

Too many Os, Ls, and Is

[raven stone]

||Christian Weston Chandler||

(Spoiler due to controversial person)

[winter vessel]

||oh...that creature. yeah||

[celest dome]

Reclaimator

[raven stone]

OK you get the direction I am coming from, good XD

[misty vector]

Maybe that US politician that swims in sewage and has a worm in his brain

[polar hill]

I do not know or care
Wenches be wilding

[storm jungle]

They should aspire to be more like asmongold

a walking biohazard and chud 🙏

[polar hill]

He's actually getting a cleaning service now, and a renovation if his place has asbestos

The Nurglish realm may be coming to an end

[queen laurel]

Didn't he have a literal dead animal in there

Literally something fell out of his roof

[polar hill]

No, he fell through his attic floor

While looking for a dead animal

[storm jungle]

...the fuck

[queen laurel]

That does not make it any better

[storm jungle]

I feel like his entire "abode" should be cleansed by some hazmat dudes with flamethrowers

[polar hill]

And the dead animal thing isn't new either, I'm sure y'all are familiar with the alarm clock wall rat

[storm jungle]

the-

the what

bruh

[polar hill]

This was years ago but a rat died in his walls and the heat of the rising Texas sun would wake him in the morning with the smell of cooking rat

This is presented without an ounce of falsehood or exaggeration

[storm jungle]

I mean

a dead rat in the wall is not really that weird?

so I wouldnt really argue against it lol

[queen laurel]

You said he is now getting cleaning services

[polar hill]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Okay at least there's some progress

[winter vessel]

rewatching Love Death & Robots. I realized from a certain POV Secret War fits a 40k narrative. Its just Vallhallan Ice Warriors combating Chaos Spawns summoned by Cultists. or more so Tyranids if you think more on the way the creatures fight.

[outer wave]

Ngl I kinda wanted him to rot in a gross ass home, but least he's trying something for himself

[polar hill]

He also did his own bit of cleaning himself a few months ago, there's actually space to walk now. Just a lot of clutter leftover from his mom

[queen laurel]

Hey at least he's cleaning

[queen laurel]

You know what i'm just going to do something random here

Hey dilara do you remember absolute batman

You know

That monster

[storm jungle]

Its still ongoing

and id say its peak

but yes

[queen laurel]

This is absolute bane

[storm jungle]

LMAO

yeah, like I said, peak

[polar hill]

Is his batlogo actually an axe or was that a meme

[storm jungle]

Its actually an axe

[languid meadow]

It's real

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's true

[storm jungle]

hes literally a Chapter Master

[winter vessel]

is this the series where alfred is a secret agent?

[storm jungle]

i love it

Well

Alfred was always a secret agent

but yes he is here as one too

He tries to take down Bruce at one point, and he steals Alfred's shotgun

makes it non-lethal

[storm jungle]

and shoots him in the face with it

[winter vessel]

yeah so in this case he's not his butler. just a fed?

[storm jungle]

Yeah for now

[polar hill]

By God

[queen laurel]

Not lethal on my ass that was flechette rounds

[storm jungle]

they are setting him up to be his helper as it goes on i think

i really like how different this Batman is in general

its a breath of fresh air for me lol

[queen laurel]

Absolute superman and wonder woman as well

[storm jungle]

Those are also great yeah

[queen laurel]

Each one of them is a different take on the character i appreciate

[storm jungle]

bad idea

[queen laurel]

Martian man hunter on some primordial shit

[storm jungle]

I really need to read his stuff

[winter vessel]

they went the berserker route for Diana on this one

[queen laurel]

Boy you have absolute superman here looking like Dilara after she misses chance to drop her teammates off the ledge using a barrel in dark tide

[winter vessel]

ngl, i kinda dig the hairstyle on this one

[storm jungle]

I also like how they made the "S" for superman the symbol of the working caste for Krypton

that is a really cool change

[astral burrow]

I can't wait to read the phasma novel

[queen laurel]

Okay so that's the working caste

[astral burrow]

And then aftermath

[queen laurel]

What the f*** is the fighting class

[polar hill]

Back in my day the "S" meant "Superman"

It was silly when they said it was their word for hope, too

[opaque coyote]

I love how in the comic Batman was like

"Is that it you steroid using son of a bitch?"

And Bane was like

"Oh Steroids? Haven't used them yet."

[winter vessel]

the face you make if you can't remember if you flushed the toilet before the next guy enters the stall

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

The next guy who ran into the stall without caring about it anyways:

yes I intentionally stretched it out

[winter vessel]

i thought that's how it normally looked, lol

[opaque coyote]

I do unironically love how the mask kinda looks like he has gritted teeth

[opaque coyote]

Honestly fucking love the more

Tribal "savage" look

for lack of a better descriptor

Like traditional Wonder Woman reflects more of the princess part of her

This design reflects the warrior type, and given that Absolute WW was raised in Hell.

I think it fits.

Although I kinda wonder where OG wonder woman got the invisible jet

[celest dome]

What's the name of those teachers in the Scholla again ? The ones with a big hammer

Found, it's the Drill Abbot

[paper haven]

Drill Abbot and Castellan.

[storm jungle]

Drill abbot is the main one ye

[opaque coyote]

Stupid question

But do they actually use that hammer against students

[storm jungle]

yes

they literally slaughter entire classes

lmao

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I would say that's stupid

But then I realized that I forgot what Universe I'm talking about

[storm jungle]

Orphans are plentiful in 40k

[opaque coyote]

"Hmm the grade average is looking a little low..."

[storm jungle]

wastefulness is kinda the point

[opaque coyote]

grabs hammer

[storm jungle]

and it isnt grades, its the acts and stuff said children do

the schola progenium is a meatgrinder

[languid meadow]

MORE ORPAHNS FOR THE BONE DUST MAKER

something something naughty kids go in the wall (I for one think this is a grimderp moment)

[opaque coyote]

The Imperium must have gotten it from Chinese Tiger Moms

But yeah I know that the Schola is a military school rather than an actual school

More about learning how to shoot people in the face in a certain manner rather than things like math

Although that's probably included, especially if you're a leading role

Still though it is morbidly funny to imagine the Abbot "passing" the test grades out

Then suddenly smashing some poor child's face in before politely sliding a test with an "F" grade

Or like 19/100 if you're non-American

Actually since it's the Imperium, they'd probably use Roman Numerals because they use Latin a lot

[languid meadow]

pretty sure it's just a more extreme version of a catholic school for the younger kids, teaching basics like literacy and math with a heavy dose of propaganda and religion. then when you hit your teens it turns into a military school where they turn you into one of the many specializations you might fit in.

[storm jungle]

^

[languid meadow]

Oh damn the lex is down

[storm jungle]

Its an awful place

[languid meadow]

at its base it's still a school

not until later is when the wacky stuff happens

[opaque coyote]

Just one where failing means uh

SMASH

"NEXT!"

[languid meadow]

though it seems that once you hit your specialization (late teens) it becomes less insane (by 40k standards) of course that's up to the teachers

commissar cadets, scion cadets, and sisters will see combat sometimes

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine as such given that you aren't just a random orphan

You're now an official in training

And therefore more valuable

So they want to keep you alive purely so that you can

Actually do your fucking role

That probably also explains why there's many Commissars who are uh

Idiots

Like even for Imperium standards

[languid meadow]

I do wonder if there are books with the perspective a cadet, Last Stand iirc had Cain leading a group of commissar cadets but his descriptions of the local Schola make it seem like a normal school with caring teachers and shit. Which I assume is him being blind to the horrible stuff since he himself is a teacher now

[opaque coyote]

That's why Cain says that a lot of the trigger happy ones die early

But that also means that similar to insects

[languid meadow]

Died a heroic death 10 miles behind friendly lines

[opaque coyote]

There's a lot of trigger happy ones

But only the ones that learn to not immediately shoot Guardsman Jim because he's understandably terrified at the horde of Orks become long ladting

[languid meadow]

but yeah commissars with good teachers or just good instincts make it longer since they can empathize with their troops and realize "hey this shit sucks gotta give them some leeway"

[opaque coyote]

But judging by Cain's descriptions and the general universe and culture of the Imperium

That part is rare

[languid meadow]

Cowardice is sin in itself

Tho I bet scion and arbites cadets get the worst of it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-zoom-persuit-gif-17646381782073725526

[opaque coyote]

More specifically. One of the ways to survive as a commissar is to present actual reasonable retreats as not cowardice

Cain does it through the power of absolute bullshit but also by being actually intelligent

He is charismatic enough, and forward thinking enough, to hide the fact that he shat his pants

But also genuinely competent. He just can't see it.

[languid meadow]

One of his biggest strengths is his humanity which carries a long way in this universe sometimes

[opaque coyote]

Yarrick has his reputation but also sheer balls.

He is smart with how he uses those balls though

[languid meadow]

Gaunt? I still need to read

I've heard things that he empathizes more

[opaque coyote]

There is a thin line between being brave

And being stupid

And unfortunately the Imperium is very much the latter

[languid meadow]

another stormcast W

[opaque coyote]

I unironically think the saddest thing about the stormcast

Was a story where a woman one couldn't recognize herself

It turns out it's because she died when she was like 4

Her stormcast face is what she would've looked like if she had the chance to grow up

[languid meadow]

I don't know if eldritch horror is the right word but I think it fits what stormcasts go through

it's horrifying

[celest dome]

"DIE FIGHTING"

Very much Valhala rules

[opaque coyote]

I think the Space Marines are generally more tragic while the Stormcast ones are depressing.

Tragedy and just being sad is different for me

For the Stormcast ones, it's sad and also somewhat tragic. But at the end it is slightly hopeful.

And overall, somebody trying their best to give humanity a second shot.

For the Space Marines? The children that signed up couldn't have possibly known what they would get into

If they even signed up

Sigmar desperately tries to keep their soul intact. The tragedy is that it's beyond his power.

The Space Marines unintentionally gave away their humanity. Without even knowing what they lost.

[languid meadow]

pretty sure it's just dying while defying chaos in anyway will make you qualified not just die with a sword in your hand

[opaque coyote]

Even with the knowledge, that are incapable of fully comprehending it

[languid meadow]

also heroically iirc

[opaque coyote]

It's like those poor dumb fucks that signed up for WW1 while they were 14 and the recruiters just let them since they needed more bodies

[celest dome]

not even necessarily against Chaos, but just standing against some foes that want to munch you and your family is enough to be on the radar

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines are similar to that

Basically

The Stormcast are a second chance. An attempt by Sigmar to right a wrong.

The Space Marines steal away that chance and replace it with a hollow shell

It is the wrong itself

[languid meadow]

yeah it's def different I think with stormcasts it's highlighted more than space marines but there is sometimes where a writer gets funky with it

I think it was a Dark Angel that had a mental break down?

saying it wasn't his face or something like that

[opaque coyote]

Again, Night Lords book series highlights the tragedy of the SMs perfectly.

They know they lost something

But they will never pinpoint it

It never registers in their head

And they are aware enough that

They don't want to

[languid meadow]

I still need to read the omnibus for the night lords

I just got it

I'm a firm believer that the humanizing moments of space marines both loyalist and traitor makes everything they do more sad and horrific

[opaque coyote]

Y'know if it wasn't for the Alpha Legion. I 100% think that a Traitor version of the Space Wolves would go for snakes. Or even just a traitor chapter.

Because the Vikings were fucking obsessed with snakes

[languid meadow]

Snakes are cool

[opaque coyote]

Surprised nobody went the viking route for the snakes in Alpha Legion.

But tbf they're more Hydra

Although in general, is it weird that I kinda wish the Alpha Legion was more Greek themed?

I mean ig the Minotaurs fit into that

Idk I just think shit like Medusa themed Operators sound cool

[celest dome]

Ultramarine is Roman-Greek
Perti's is Athenian Greek
World Eater are thingy Greek

[opaque coyote]

Like Psyker that specifically turn people into stone

[celest dome]

Ancient Greece is kinda already well represented tbh

[opaque coyote]

The World Eaters are Greek?

I honestly thought of them kinda being closer to South America

...

[celest dome]

Think so, or maybe Roman with the Gladiators

[opaque coyote]

Okay that sounds ridiculous the more I think about it

[opaque coyote]

I think it's mainly the head decals that remind me of like South American decals

[languid meadow]

I would say WE are more based on the popular media depiction of gladiators with their whole fighter shtick and angron literally being a slave gladiator.

[opaque coyote]

Lemme see if I can make a comparison

The gold headdress is from the Calima culture, which is pre-columbina