40k-lore-chat

[lofty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/the-empire-is-pretty-chill-darth-vader-star-wars-detours-star-wars-gif-15916093146996929200

[polar hill]

Ya know, realistically, I don't think there'd be many nations who'd need to be intimidated into joining. Most world governments are wholly self-serving, and the material bonuses of being a low-population world in a space Empire are just too good to pass up

[humble shoal]

Other option is paradise world

Might work

[plush mason]

i imagine the ship's void shields wouldn't even drop 10% lmao

[humble shoal]

Also our nukes are not designed for space

[plush mason]

yup

[humble shoal]

At least hitting a target above atmosphere

[arctic talon]

Maybe, there are a lot of nice places on earth

Agriworld maybe(?)

[polar hill]

Lord-Captain, they've fired a nuclear device at us. It's falling back down.

[humble shoal]

Think of the imperium, earth is a paradise world

[arctic talon]

Would require some level of terraforming which I’m not sure is worth investing

[arctic talon]

Some of the paradise worlds in 40k suffer from mono biome syndrome

[humble shoal]

Either way if pleasure world we are all probably enslaved anyways

[arctic talon]

Where it’s just all tropical or some shit

[arctic talon]

Yep

Lol

Just a different flavor of enslavement from the usual working one

Might be worse arguably

[lofty mason]

Probably a lot of religious upheaval too. Seeing humans from other planet, which is statistically impossible. This probably cause IoM to be more angry

[humble shoal]

Could be an agri world

That would suck

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Extremely disagree.

[arctic talon]

Mmmm

[storm jungle]

you give humanity way too much credit

[arctic talon]

Fertilizer

[storm jungle]

we can barely get along with each other

[arctic talon]

Turn the oceans into algae farms

[storm jungle]

if an outside force came we'd absolutely try violence first lol

[arctic talon]

Rest of the planet into flat

[storm jungle]

people would largely only join after total decimation/intimidation

[arctic talon]

Dilara

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

Do you have the art of the agri world

From maledictum

[storm jungle]

Oh lol

hld on

[arctic talon]

With like the super fucked up root plants

[arctic talon]

No not that one, but good enough

[humble shoal]

I mean first proposal was techprieste

[storm jungle]

which one are you looking for

[humble shoal]

Which would end even worse

[arctic talon]

The rainy one

With like

Tubers

[humble shoal]

Second proposal was fistbarge

[arctic talon]

Of some variety

Tbh whatever the case they’d just bombard whoever didn’t surrender from orbit

Imo

[plush mason]

most world leaders would join the IoM if only for the promise of being made the rulers of the world after they take it over

[lofty mason]

I'm pretty sure Mechanicus will probably be very interested in Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI.

[humble shoal]

Which wouldnt happen

[humble shoal]

No because that isnt the abominable intelligence

Its matrix math in a dress

[plush mason]

they would try to make it happen, it wouldnt work but they would still try

[arctic talon]

It wouldn’t

It’s not sentient or sapient

[humble shoal]

Yeah but Carl Weather Magus the 32nd needs his goverborship

[arctic talon]

Silica animus is a lot narrower then people think

[lofty mason]

Craziest part is that this scenario we're talking probably happened some time in the 40k timeline. Since there are worlds lost to the Imperium just to be rediscovered and "re-integrated".

[humble shoal]

Anyway which imperial group would be the worst?

I think tech priests

Followes by certain chapters of space marines

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus

Not even fucking close

[plush mason]

its between them and the ecclisarchy imo

[arctic talon]

Lol

[humble shoal]

Then ecclesiarchy

[humble shoal]

Flesh eaters

[arctic talon]

The ecclisarchy would probably try to shove the emperor into our religions

And if that fails

Usual level of violence

[sly ivy]

Sam Altman mentioned

[humble shoal]

Yeah ecclesiarchy is not the worst

[lofty mason]

NGL, when I started 40k, I thought Mechanicus is probably the least evil faction in IoM since they only do science and tech stuff. Boy, was I wrong.

[sly ivy]

The machine god’s eye is upon us

[plush mason]

unless they make it a shrine world

[arctic talon]

Nah the mechanicus are like

By far the most evil imperial group

Lol

[humble shoal]

Do you know what the difference between mechanicus and dark mechanicus is?

[arctic talon]

One uses more slaves

[humble shoal]

The latter has less slavery

[arctic talon]

LOL

[plush mason]

and even if they didnt they would purge anyone that tried to hold onto the current religions of the world

[arctic talon]

The classic

[plush mason]

so many billions would die

[arctic talon]

The ecclisarchy prefers multi theist religions

When it’s integrating worlds

Because it’s easier to shove the emperor in

And then basically slowly turn him into the dominant god

[plush mason]

yeah and all the major ones we have rn are monotheist

[humble shoal]

But yeah I think certain colorful sm chapters are close to the mechanicus

[arctic talon]

Me when Minotaurs

Or marines malevolent

[humble shoal]

Like a lot of blood angel chapters

[arctic talon]

Or Carcharadons

Actually

Carcharadons would be the worst

By far

[plush mason]

yummy red tithe

[arctic talon]

Because they love mass enslavement lol

[humble shoal]

The blood angel chapter with the blood towers

[sly ivy]

Wat I feel like the rank and file ecclesiarchy, like regimental priests etc, would be among the best people in the imperium

[arctic talon]

Yummy yummy civilians in my ships tummy

[sly ivy]

Sure corruption at higher levels but

[arctic talon]

It depends

Ultimately

[plush mason]

yup

[arctic talon]

By the ecclisarchy as an organization is

Extremely evil

[humble shoal]

A drusian could be chill

[arctic talon]

Remember the ecclisarchy is a death cult lol

[sly ivy]

What we see on the ground is mostly actual compassion, self sacrifice, etc

And comfort

[polar hill]

Ehhhh

[arctic talon]

I mean it is

[storm jungle]

We get like-

[arctic talon]

It exalts death

And sacrifice

[storm jungle]

a mountain of stories showing how corrupt most of the clergy is

[humble shoal]

I mean there are actual death cults

[arctic talon]

It’s not like that type of death cult

[humble shoal]

We talking deacons not bishops

[sly ivy]

Yeah bc they’re abundant and powerful. But again I’m talking about the on the ground guys

[arctic talon]

But it is a religion that exalts you dying for the imperiums cause

[storm jungle]

most of the honest priests/holymen tend to not live long for obvious reasons

the Imperial Cult is not really suppose to be a nice religion

[sly ivy]

Nah we just don’t get their stories

[storm jungle]

Nah, we do.

[arctic talon]

We def do

[storm jungle]

they arent really people to like or aspire to

[arctic talon]

There’s one who eats his own gun

I forgot in which book

[scenic bolt]

Huzzah institutional rot

[arctic talon]

It’s either a munda or warhammer crime one

[polar hill]

Exalting self-sacrifice isn't evil, and in the eyes of the average Imperial, the Imperium's cause is humanity's survival

[sly ivy]

They’re off tending to the sick in the underhive or attending to morale like in gaunts ghosts

[arctic talon]

He grows disillusioned, drinks himself half to death and then blows his head off with a stub pistol

[humble shoal]

Heironymous was a nice guy

[arctic talon]

From rogue trader?

No lol

[humble shoal]

He definitely didnt do something suuper fucked up

[arctic talon]

He’s uh

He’s interesting

I’ll give him that

[humble shoal]

Hes a thing

[sly ivy]

Well I mean in 40K the worship and shit they force people to do literally powers humanity’s best weapon

[arctic talon]

Does one absurdly fucked up deed

[sly ivy]

The corpse on the throne

[arctic talon]

Make you evil

Even if the rest of your actions are like

good generally

[storm jungle]

Also causes billions to die so

[humble shoal]

That, yes

[arctic talon]

He’s an interesting debate on morality

[sly ivy]

So trillions might live

[arctic talon]

He is a total psycho

[storm jungle]

*also die, more like kek

[humble shoal]

Just give him the funny book

[storm jungle]

me when War of Faith

[sly ivy]

…. Ok true shhhh

[jade holly]

This is why we must embrace the art of Waaaaagh

[humble shoal]

Devate over

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/crawling-claw-dnd-dungeons-and-dragons-monster-creature-gif-14717988

[storm jungle]

If you dont like someone you should just punch them its true

[jade holly]

Have a problem? Punch it

[lofty mason]

Rogue Trader is probably the least evil of them all. And probably Adeptus Astronomica.

[jade holly]

taxes? Punch the tax collector

Road rage? Punch it

[humble shoal]

Heh

[storm jungle]

They are extremely evil if you mean institution wise.

[sly ivy]

Based Turk warrior philosophy

[plush mason]

btw, anyone know if it's intentional that the ships in dune look like sandworms?

[storm jungle]

The navigator ships looking like worms is intentional

[humble shoal]

The least evil is probably the administratum which is the most cursed part

[storm jungle]

its said in the concept book

[plush mason]

thought so

[storm jungle]

yeee

[humble shoal]

What if we implanted soulstones into space marines

[sly ivy]

Bruh

Fulgrim literally did that to himself

[plush mason]

seeing this, i do not look forward to going into the deep desert

[sly ivy]

It didn’t end well

[humble shoal]

Did he lol

That actually explains a lot

[polar hill]

Wyd if your ship's machine spirit asks if you'd still love her if she were a worm but she's already a Navigator vessel

[lofty mason]

Wonder how would Dune Imperium react to IoM

[humble shoal]

The bodycis weak but the souls is willing

[plush mason]

the mentats would look at the servitors and call for war

if not start it themselves

and then the 40k imperium would find out the hard way why dune lasguns have a shield lock lol

[polar hill]

Shield lock?

[plush mason]

yeah

[polar hill]

OH like literally locking shields

Nvm

[plush mason]

no the gun locks if the target has a shield

[polar hill]

[humble shoal]

Bolter rounds would probably still rock a dune shield no?

[lofty mason]

Dune sense of scale is really horrible lol. Like Dune's Imperium has 15,000 planets, but only around 80,000 Sadaukar to keep them in check? Even IRL Earth has way more soldiers than that.

[polar hill]

That is significantly less cool than guns with interlocking ray shields

[plush mason]

because if the laser hits a shield it makes an infinite energy loop that results in a nuclear explosion

[storm jungle]

I mean

Dune doesnt really have weird goofily overpopulated planets like 40k

[rocky gale]

Sadaukar are only the Emperors personal guard

[storm jungle]

they are usually all settled in one cluster/specified regions with like a single proper city.

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah

[rocky gale]

They aren't like the sole military force

[plush mason]

also the sadaukar are not the main army of the imperium afaik

[storm jungle]

Dune is basically Game of Thrones in space.

theres other standing armies and men-at-arms, etc

[plush mason]

every house has its own troops for controlling and protecting the planets they own

sadaukar are basically the custodians of dune, and like the only enemy the freman respect

[humble shoal]

Holy roman empire IN SPACE

[rocky gale]

Each House has their own standing army, plus the Landsraad has a unified army of conscripts presumably taken from each of the Great Houses

[plush mason]

you have to do something really really stupid to get the sadaukar called on you

like highjack whole spice shipments

[humble shoal]

Saudakar arr actually just arbites

[plush mason]

a fusion of them and the custodians

[humble shoal]

Custides

Arbonians

[lofty mason]

Can Astartes Chapter survive Brazil?

https://tenor.com/view/dance-uporot-brazil-gif-13264739

[rocky gale]

Also don't think that number is accurate, a Sardaukar legion is 30k, and we see atleast 6 legions in the first book

[plush mason]

the ones from death worlds sure, any other chapter its a toss up

[rocky gale]

A legion is loaned to the Baron and then when the Emperor comes to Arrakis he brings 5 more

[opaque coyote]

I mean

It isn't false

[plush mason]

it isnt, but that only makes it even more cursed

[rocky gale]

and if I remember right there's talk of 50 legions spread throughout the galaxy at key locations

Which is 1.5 million

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines?

...God damn do I hate 40k scale

[astral burrow]

Larmoth u like star wars right?

[rocky gale]

No, Sardaukar

[rocky gale]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Ah nvm

[polar hill]

Albanians

[polar hill]

https://tenor.com/view/albania-ufc-ramiz-brahimaj-gif-1830361034770224595

[opaque coyote]

Also

#40k-lore-chat be like:

[plush mason]

thats just fandoms in general

[opaque coyote]

True

Fandoms generally have their own unique(ish) problems

Along with the regular stuff

[plush mason]

yup

[opaque coyote]

40k is in the category where there's just a lot of Nazi's

Along with tactical FPS games like Arma 3

And also Hearts of Iron 3

[humble shoal]

Amd Jin Roh

[opaque coyote]

Cartoon fandoms generally have little Nazis are more weirdos in comparison

Generally I prefer weirdos and perverts over racists and Nazis. But that's like preferring horseshit over dogshit.

[humble shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-guns-blazing-gif-23911535

[opaque coyote]

40k does have a lot of weirdos but it's generally less in proportion compared to say idk

MLP

Instead replaced with racists

My favorite

@humble shoal also another funny trend is that most horror game fandoms make cutesy art

Especially if it also has a cutesy exterior

See DDLC. A game that's essentially existential horror

You wouldn't know it if you looked at most of the fanart lmao. Although tbf it still is a visual novel. Just one that devolves into horror. This... also makes it more interesting than most VNs for me LMAO.

Although tbf that's probably just fans coping due to the fact that the characters don't exactly have

the best fate

Goes for most horror media in general

[astral burrow]

Can you help me pick?

[astral burrow]

Oh right that's out

[astral burrow]

Didn't send the other one lmao

[humble shoal]

Why is chewbacca mewing

[plush mason]

the wookie has his bowcaster mounted, so i pick that one

[astral burrow]

Mounted?

He is just holding it in his hand

[plush mason]

oh i see that now

[opaque coyote]

on an unrelated note

what the fu

matpat is now a fucking politican

"Hello Internet, welcome to political theory!"

[astral burrow]

Lol

[plush mason]

get the TIE then, because empire>rebel

ofc all are below the seps

[astral burrow]

Andor made me really like the rebellion lately honestly

[plush mason]

never seen it

[astral burrow]

Could get this too

[astral burrow]

You should, it is absolute cinema

[plush mason]

and i only dislike the rebels for their look

i support their cause a shit ton more than i ever could the empire's

[astral burrow]

The rogue one ones looked great

Rest are meh

[plush mason]

the jump from the mk3 blood extractor to the mk4 is crazy

mk4 on the left

[polar hill]

Aw hell naw

[astral burrow]

Sent from gattling gun size to pistol

[plush mason]

yeah ofc the mk4 extracts x2 the blood of the mk3 so the massive size up makes sense

goes from extracting half the person's total blood to almost all of it

400ml short of it in fact lol

[umbral kraken]

id rather have one just big enough to steal enough blood to make all humans blackout

presumably 50% of someone's blood would cause that

[plush mason]

no that would kill them

in fact it only takes 30% bloodloss to kill someone

so yes both of these blood extractors could kill someone if used on a living person

[rose thorn]

i love this server

[late osprey]

late but also ground-level preachers are fairly corrupt as well, but in different ways

like the local preacher is a deranged alcoholic in one DH module

[astral burrow]

Why lol

I been asking for a while I just can't pick I hate choice paralysis

[opaque coyote]

Whether it's the local priest or the high clergy. They can all be corrupt.

It's the same with policemen

...and workers

...and a lot of things actually

I can easily imagine Imperial Cult leaders using their position to uh

"get favors"

AKA "The Emperor wants you to lay with me."

Goge Vandire ahh moment

Basically the Imperium should have a lot of localized non-chaos/Xenos/mutant level of corruption that gets ignored

Precisely because they aren't heretics, Xenos, or mutants

Enforcers shaking down the local mom and pop shop for "protection" money

I guess the reason why GW doesn't tackle it that much is because it's either too real or too "boring"

Probably a combo of both

[sly ivy]

Ye

Goge Vandire and crew are soooo waiting for great BL novels

[sly ivy]

So am I but that doesn’t mean I’m corrupt

I’m also corrupt but it’s unrelated

[late osprey]

it does when you're supposed to be an upright moral leader

[sly ivy]

But I am an upright moral leader

If someone props me up

[iron mural]

Can one successer chapter have multiple color schemes? And can they be from the same planet as the original chapter?

[sly ivy]

… fine but I can be a supine moral leader

[arctic talon]

Same planet no, multiple color schemes yeah, though would be rare aside from dark Angel successors

[sly ivy]

You people are being boring

Someone get in a fight to entertain me

Say something political

[arctic talon]

Dark Angel successors can have differing colors based on the 1st and 2nd company

Though those do tend to still be bone and black respectively

Aside from colorized company markings

I.E: trim

[sly ivy]

Where the heck is Eli to call me Cecil Rhodes again

I’m comin down I need a hit

[arctic talon]

Though not all chapters use trim to show company Ect.

[sly ivy]

Ur gonna be bone and black in a minute

[languid meadow]

I call it the codex Astartes, it ryhmes with grug

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

i know its not rare for first companies or companies with a gimmick to have different schemes

[arctic talon]

It’s usually some difference in heraldry

But not an entire different color scheme

Like Minotaurs get red shoulder pads and codex compliant chapters have white helmets

Ect.

The ultimate clusterfuck color scheme wise is either Tau or craftworld eldar aspect shrines

Tbh

Since Tau septs literally do not have a standardized color scheme aside from sept markings and I guess parade colors

Which are always a specific color

[sly ivy]

ugghadslfkjsflasdlk I can't believe you're calmly discussing color schemes. No one has even implied the other guy is a fascist in like 10 minutes.

ffs

[winter vessel]

What Sept is the white one?

[sly ivy]

@arctic talon I forget do you play tabletop?

[arctic talon]

Vior’la parade scheme is white

[sly ivy]

What the fuck does the stupid ' even signify in Tau names

Is it like a click

A gurgle

Is it a fart

[arctic talon]

It’s a separation in words

[winter vessel]

And there’s a blue color Sept too right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sly ivy]

THAT'S A SPACE

[arctic talon]

No

[sly ivy]

A SPACE IS A SEPARATION IN WORDS

[arctic talon]

There’s a specific thing for it

Smh

[sly ivy]

Every shitty sci fi/fantasy setting does a "hurr durr let's make a name look exotic" thing and adds the stupid '

[arctic talon]

there's a pronounciation rule for it

the word after the ' is always accented more heavily in Tau

[sly ivy]

tf you just made that up

[arctic talon]

No

I didn't

its literally how they fucking say it

[late osprey]

would you say the main art/"canon" armor colors are the parade color?

[arctic talon]

Sa'cea

[arctic talon]

That is yeah

[late osprey]

i mean i know t'au's climate is pretty orangeish

[arctic talon]

those are in lore the parade colors of the septs

But yeah the Ochre color did have practical use on their homeworld

• some environments

[late osprey]

my tau style was t'au ftw

[sly ivy]

No it's bu'llshit u pu'lled o'ut of ur as's

[winter vessel]

Yeah these guys, I’ve never seen much of them

[arctic talon]

Kaggen are you just baiting to try to get a reaction

you need to try harder

[sly ivy]

YES god damn it I'm dying here please

Some one fight

Some'one

[late osprey]

TECHNICALLY since their color is more defined by the markings, they're the orange sept 🤓

[arctic talon]

they didn't exist until the 6e codex is why

they're very new faction wise

[arctic talon]

and yeah you're correct lmao

LOL

[winter vessel]

Laati or Jay isn’t here now so tough luck

[sly ivy]

God damn it

I'm gonna learn uber hacking skills and bring back Eternal

[arctic talon]

The Tau sept is the white one

for markings

T'au'n is white on light grey for parade colors

for the true massochists

and yes sept marking colors can double dip, because fuck you

[late osprey]

i did a lot of reaching on tau because Tau v IG is legitimately my favorite matchup both aesthetically and when i played on tabletop

their playstyles riff off of each other very well in a way that's fun

with tau being very much about targeted strikes and careful planning and the IG being about overwhelming their plans

all of my most interesting games were fighting Tau as Renegades

[arctic talon]

tbh Tau are very interesting on the tabletop

due to how they're designed lol

however people do not enjoy using their brains

so they die to 10 morbillion pulse munitions to the skull

[late osprey]

one scene i remember was rolling up my leman russ to take more ground, and it got bursted the next turn by deep-striking fusion crisis suits

[arctic talon]

Fusion cannons

[late osprey]

dw i mowed down his kroothounds with heavy stubbers

[sly ivy]

Yesss Astra Militarum 4ever

[arctic talon]

LOL

[sly ivy]

Honestly Astra and Tau are both great because they have such a variety of units

I don't really understand what's going on with Kroot rn tbh

[late osprey]

their playstyles are opposites in a way that's fun

sorta like a yin/yang way

[arctic talon]

kroot are melee/cqb

[sly ivy]

I know but I mean meta wise

[arctic talon]

kinda stealthy

like on the tabletop?

[late osprey]

like they both have the basics of gunlines, tanks, melee specialists, but utilize them all completely differently

[sly ivy]

Like first I hear they're ass then I hear they're good

[arctic talon]

Kroot were ass

[sly ivy]

yah tabletop

[arctic talon]

for like

a long time

they're good now though

bcs they got buffs at the start of this edition

[sly ivy]

Well that's good b/c they're a nice addition .

[arctic talon]

Kroot were uber ass in 9e

[sly ivy]

I do like that Guard melee is weird shit

[late osprey]

tau should get a Gunship update, because i actually think their tanks are really cool

[sly ivy]

It's ogres and horsies

[arctic talon]

the Tau range holds up remarkbly well tbh

firesight marksmen looks great for a mini thats older then the people who say tau don't fit canon

[late osprey]

tau are also a faction that has an actual army and not like 5 people

single entity-based armies are so aggravating it legitimately was part of the reason i stopped playing

[arctic talon]

Thankfully

there's barely any this edition

tbh

[late osprey]

them and custodes but they're technically not SEM

[arctic talon]

There's only the fucking

Calgar list rn

since they took guilliman out back and shattered his fucking kneecaps

lol

[late osprey]

i got trolled by a harlequin army once

hated every minute of that game

[arctic talon]

Clowns are bad rn

paying for their sins

[late osprey]

hell yeah

[arctic talon]

tbh

I do wonder if GW shifted to Vior'la as the poster child

because Forgeworld was doing Vior'la

primarily

[late osprey]

if i ever played again, it probably would be as tau

and specifically investigating the validity of a firewarrior + gunship build

https://tenor.com/boMJs.gif

[arctic talon]

BREACHERFISH

BREACHERFISH

[late osprey]

fish of fury is back?

[arctic talon]

no

But a new strat is called breacherfish

where you load as many tau breachers as you can into the fish

and then you run the fish up midboard straight into the enemy army

so your breachers can blow them apart with their comically strong guns

[late osprey]

lmfao

i thought breachers were a meme unit

cuz you know

[arctic talon]

Tbf they are fucked if they get charged

[late osprey]

field battle of shotgunners for a ranged army

[arctic talon]

but S6 AP-2 with assault is nothing to scoff at lol

also the ability breach and clear lets them clear out objectives

[late osprey]

breachers would be an amazing aesthetic for a kill team

even if they don't use shotguns

just model breacher helmets + pauldrons onto other units

[arctic talon]

Yeah def

I love the uparmored look

even if it confers literally 0 benefits on the tabletop lol

XV-15 would also be good as a killteam

or some updated version of XV-15

fucking tau power armor that can become invisible lol

[late osprey]

yeah kinda obvious now that you mention it LOL

[arctic talon]

Tbh it straight up had the power armor statline lol

I do find it hilarious how XV-25 which replaced XV-15

is bigger

[late osprey]

well you know basically all of tau tech advancement post-debut is them getting MORE impractical

[arctic talon]

well the thing in lore is actually better

its more quiet + protective + it can fucking fly now

[late osprey]

"so we actually need to make giant units and guns to keep up with everyone now lol"

[arctic talon]

LOL

Tbh I'd say the enforcer, coldstar and ghostkeel

are all practical

at least regarding like mechs

they're just better crisis with more armor and gun, better crisis with more gun and speed, extremely fast invisible suit thats basicially a plane on the ground

[late osprey]

i mean like the uhh

supremacy and the other giant one

the mini-knight

[arctic talon]

Oh

yeah those are a bit silly lol

The Riptide

fat fuck

[crystal forum]

why is everybody in modern star wars british

a couple of brits is ok but andor is like 80% mud men brit accent

[late osprey]

what is a mudmen

[arctic talon]

They filmed in the UK

mostly

[crystal forum]

disgusting slop dwellers

[crystal forum]

i feel like there's also a lot of brits in the sequel movies

[arctic talon]

The empire is also like mostly british accents

[crystal forum]

why

[arctic talon]

Ask George

[golden imp]

Does each navigator house have their own way of navigating or is it more just a person to person thing?

[storm jungle]

They all navigate the same way.

you literally just open your 3rd eye and guide the ship, its very "basic" for them lol

[golden imp]

But why does the silly one in rogue trader need paint

[storm jungle]

Because its her schtick.

shes also an overimaginative youngster

[golden imp]

Also

Can death watch marines use necron Gauss rifles?

Or are they beyond human comprehension?

[opaque coyote]

"Hmm we shall carefully place our troops here."

Vs

"Fuck it let's just rush em"

[opaque coyote]

Generally not without heavy modification.

And good luck trying to modify Necron Tech

[dapper gyro]

Many necron weapons being used by the imperium. Though it is still rare because of the difficulty to convert and because of the paperwork for it to not be heretical.

[opaque coyote]

Besides the technology difference. Necron ranged weapons also spill out a ton of radiation, and their fuel source comes from their cores. So you'd need a good way to protect yourself from the radiation, a consistent fuel source, and be able to do a lot of tech Heresy.

Also they're heavy... even for SMs.

[golden imp]

I always forget no matter how skinny necrons look they are nightmarishly powerful

[dapper gyro]

Also they don't want it to be misused or failing into some bad renegades.

[opaque coyote]

So yeah generally the only Necron tech that is used somewhat consistently are their melee weapons.

[dapper gyro]

Pre 9e 40K is much weaker than 30K.

They intentionally nerfed everything to avoid rebels.

[golden imp]

Only necron melee weapon I know of is the big stupid swords the destroyers use

[storm jungle]

phase-swords

they are pretty cool

Say goodbye to your stupid armor

[golden imp]

Hilariously big sword

[dapper gyro]

Custodes should get some of that...

[winter vessel]

The barber when you tell ‘em “just a little bit off the top”

[golden imp]

Make guts blush

[storm jungle]

Its really not that big

what, you want him to get a little pencil-blade

[opaque coyote]

Also apparently "vibrates across dimensions".

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

eyo

🤨

[opaque coyote]

What that apparently means is like Witchfinder Dilara said

"Fuck your armor."

[golden imp]

I thought they were person sized swords

[storm jungle]

No lol

Necron destroyers are massive

[golden imp]

No I mean

[storm jungle]

also as with any weapon, shit kinda varies in size

[golden imp]

The sword is the size of a person

[storm jungle]

Depends on the sword ye

theres a lot of types

[dapper gyro]

But for the scale, it is normal.

[opaque coyote]

Their weapons vary but yeah I say that's a good minimum.

[golden imp]

Minimum

Man I love 40k it’s so silly

[dapper gyro]

Temple assassins use necron sword as well.

[opaque coyote]

Big Halberd

Er Glaive

Er...

Uhhh

Glaive

Ywah

Glaive

[dapper gyro]

Polearm.

[winter vessel]

Callidus specifically yes?

[golden imp]

40k names weapons wrong

Custodes spear gun

[dapper gyro]

Just say polearms.

[golden imp]

Being a glaive

Of course the emperor knows more about weapons then me though

[dapper gyro]

Yes, but others can use the stuff, too. Not on ttg though.

[golden imp]

So who am I to say

[opaque coyote]

The Necrons also got a War Scythe

[golden imp]

Records of deeds on staff goes hard

[opaque coyote]

Specifically used by high ranking mfs

[sly ivy]

Wait this is real lmao

[golden imp]

I like to believe all the stuff they deal with in current 40k is not worth putting on the staff

[dapper gyro]

Having a gun on it doesn't stop it being a glaive as it has a glaive shaped blade.

[golden imp]

Compared to war in heaven

[golden imp]

Nah I mean it’s called guardian spear

[opaque coyote]

Also

"A curious side effect of the warscythe’s power field is to render the weapon almost impossible to destroy. There are several well-documented instances of warscythes surviving direct hits from lascannons, and even from turbo-lasers, with little harm to show for it. Unfortunately, this protection does not extend to the wielder, and it is quite common for a warscythe to survive a battle where its master does not."

[golden imp]

But it’s a glaive

Guardian glaive doesn’t sound as good though

[dapper gyro]

I just realized that I never called it a spear...

[sly ivy]

Yah doesn’t really fit beside “killed chotec; killed itzl; killed tepoc”

; destroyed 12 stars

[opaque coyote]

"Killed Eldar name"

"Killed C'tan"

[golden imp]

That stuff always kinda makes me sad

Eldar were amazing warriors but they die like fodder a lot

[dapper gyro]

Typical 40k.

[storm jungle]

Everyone does tbh

you are as strong as the plot allows

[dapper gyro]

Even custodes die like fodder from time to time.

[golden imp]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-2-death-space-marine-2-gif-12976716491498684396

[opaque coyote]

Yet somehow the Eldar keep a consistent population.

[storm jungle]

Plot.

It doesnt matter.

[dapper gyro]

In fact, they are growing.

[golden imp]

I feel like the average guard in eldar worlds should be untouchable to a marine

But they just get blasted

[opaque coyote]

I think the Phoenix Lords are in-between Custodes and Primarchs

If I remember correctly

[golden imp]

Simply weave around the bullets

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the average Eldar Guard would be on par with SMs.

They're still there just to defend. They're not dedicated unlike some Eldar who are really into battle

[dapper gyro]

Phoenix lords are primarch like. But they have to die to prove the power of someone else...

[storm jungle]

Now in comparison

[opaque coyote]

Hell some of them might have not even followed any combat path

[storm jungle]

we should talk about the plot armor of someone like Lucius

Mr Respawn pls

[golden imp]

He dies

No plot armor smh

[opaque coyote]

The random factory working feeling pride in his work and suddenly feeling weird...

💀

[storm jungle]

one of my favorite 40k excerpts ever

legit looney tunes shit

[opaque coyote]

Slaanesh was really reaching for that one LMAO

I'm just imagining them being like

"Okay so I can revive with- no that wouldn't work..."

[storm jungle]

tbh thats the thing

when the setup for respawning is impossible she just poofs him back into existence

so Lucius doesnt even follow his own rule

lmao

[opaque coyote]

The factory worker is just Slaanesh saying "Fuck it".

[dapper gyro]

If lucius just fell and dies, the planet would turn into Lucius as well....

[golden imp]

I think everyone hating him is why slanesh keeps brining him back

She feeds on that kinda stuff lol

[opaque coyote]

Lucius is like banning somebody only for them to make an alt account

[golden imp]

Would it feel pride?

[dapper gyro]

Well some people killed him without feeling anything, and chaos spaws him back anyway.

[storm jungle]

^

Its literal peak plot armor.

[golden imp]

Ok now that’s not as cool

[dapper gyro]

No, but plot.

[storm jungle]

If he cant spawn back, he just poofs into existence ala Slaanesh.

[opaque coyote]

No idea why Slaanesh even bothered to make the rule up

[storm jungle]

because its funny i guess

[opaque coyote]

Then again making up a role and not following it fits them

[golden imp]

What happens if a primarch kills him

Fun times

[dapper gyro]

Raven Guard Marine killed him and thought he was some common mob and moved on.

[opaque coyote]

HUE

Wait...

[dapper gyro]

Lucius can't spawn on him, so he just spawn elsewhere...

[opaque coyote]

Why do I feel wei-

[dapper gyro]

Maybe the guy who made the RG marine weapons feels pride????

[golden imp]

Speaking of primarchs so I got this right

All primarchs are somewhat warp related but that doesn’t mean they are pyskers right?

[opaque coyote]

Basically the only thing you can do to kill Lucius is get one of those weapons that can obliterate a soul

[opaque coyote]

Yeah.

[golden imp]

The lion doing the weird shit he’s doing now his just a warp related power and not a pysker thing

[storm jungle]

yeah its a superpower

its not psyker powers

[golden imp]

Got it

[storm jungle]

think of them as Marvel/DC Supes and you are more or less done really

[dapper gyro]

All of them do, with exception of Magnus.

[golden imp]

Magnus pysker powers being super powers

Was weird

[storm jungle]

Magnus is my fav

[arctic talon]

Tbf magnus does follow Psyker rules

Lol

He’s just uh

[storm jungle]

he can literally do anything he wants from how OP he is

but he just doesnt

[arctic talon]

A daemon now as well

[storm jungle]

because script

lol

[golden imp]

Also man I really need to read the burning of prospero

Magnus sounds so cool there

[arctic talon]

See: warzone fenris

[golden imp]

When he gets up

[arctic talon]

Until he gets deus ex machina’d

Lol

[storm jungle]

Or anyone fighting magnus

he can literally turn you into a statue

[arctic talon]

Warzone fenris has him absolutely pop off

[storm jungle]

or evaporate you

but he just doesnt

lmao

[arctic talon]

And then he gets beaten

[dapper gyro]

Magnus fallen because people bullied him.

[golden imp]

Is dorn a blank?

[arctic talon]

By deus ex khorne axe

Lol

[dapper gyro]

Nope...

[arctic talon]

No

[dapper gyro]

Dorn suppresses the warp, but doesn't suck it away.

[arctic talon]

He just “knits” the warp together so to speak

[golden imp]

I remembered hearing pysker stuff kinda washes over him

And doesn’t really bother him

[arctic talon]

He makes it harder for warp shit to happen

If you launch a fireball at him

It’s still a fucking fireball

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it's in character that he just doesn't consider it

[arctic talon]

It’s just that making the fireball is barder

[arctic talon]

It isn’t

[storm jungle]

Its lazy writing.

[arctic talon]

Because warzone fenris

Literally proves

[storm jungle]

because like-

[arctic talon]

He can do it all

Lol

[storm jungle]

he sometimes WANTS someone dead, badly

[arctic talon]

He’s gone fucking blow up fenris

[storm jungle]

he wouldnt toy around with them lol

[golden imp]

Magnus is smart when he’s not being dumb

[arctic talon]

And then deus ex khorne axe

Breaks his shield

[golden imp]

He should consider everything

[arctic talon]

Of nothing can fucking hurt me

Lol

[storm jungle]

also the perfect example is him vs Vulkan

he kills Vulkan like

over what

30 times?

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know. Just coping and thinking that it's fitting for him to forget like an absolute dumbass

Because well

[golden imp]

Do you think there was a timeline where Magnus didn’t fall to chaos?

[storm jungle]

nope

its all pre-destined

[dapper gyro]

Let's not talk about timeline.

[opaque coyote]

Magnus managed do somehow do nothing wrong.

Literally. His task was literally just to do nothing and he failed miserably.

[storm jungle]

because we need 40k to happen

[dapper gyro]

If we play the what if game, then nothing can be done.

[opaque coyote]

Except for the occasional fanfic

[golden imp]

It’s fun to think about

What if dorn was a khornate general

[dapper gyro]

No, Laati.

[opaque coyote]

I mean I remember some fanfics that are essentially alt. Heresies. I remember one called the Dornian Heresy?

[golden imp]

Oh

Gonna look that up later lol

I can’t see dorn leading a heresy though

[opaque coyote]

Y'all act like fanfic is just people kissing.

And you're wrong

It's only 70% of it

[golden imp]

He don’t have the charisma of Horus

I do think a Hersey with guilliman and perturabo on the same side would be neat though

Unending tide of bullets and marines

[opaque coyote]

I always thought of a Heresy being lead by Perturabo, while extremely improbable, would be funny as shit

Because he is competent. The problem is that the man is a black hole in terms of Charisma

[dapper gyro]

Guilliman is also 80% charisma.

[golden imp]

I thought guilliman was bland and boring but he changed your mind with “FACTS AND LOGIC” instead of charisma

[opaque coyote]

Nah the man is actually boring precisely because he had things like

"Good parents" (except the Emperor but he wasn't there)

And

"A stable upbringing"

And

"Not raised in a hellscape"

Ironically enough this makes him special

[crystal forum]

all primarchs have supernatural charisma

[dapper gyro]

Well, the dude is the only normal intellect in the setting so far.

[crystal forum]

girlyman quite literally has caesar aura

[opaque coyote]

True but anybody that can see through that knows that Pert uhh

Is an asshole

[opaque coyote]

Honestly think his revival was actually an improvement on his character

Like objectively

Seeing somebody from a somewhat more hopeful era just get crushed by how much time has passed and

How much things have devolved even from 30k

And despite that famous quote lamenting his circumstances. He gets right back up, and tries his fucking best anyways.

"Momma didn't raise no bitch"

It's inspiring.

...

If you ignore the fact that the Primarchs are all genocidal warlords but uh

We're just gonna shove that under the rug

It's a simple but relatable story. Although I never got poisoned to the point of being in a coma and then got killed and revived by a Ex-Dark Eldar cult leader and her Gyrinx

We can all relate to life just absolutely fucking you over despite you doing literally nothing to even cause it.

We can relate to waiting to give up.

But we can also relate to getting back up. You don't deserve it, but that doesn't mean that you can't just leave it there.

And if there's one thing you do deserve. It's getting through your struggles. It's putting your life back together.

[sly ivy]

Just like me

[neat lintel]

im new to all the lore of warhammer so please bare with me , my question is " is the game total war warhammer 3 " related to the warhammer world and if so why we dont see space marines and why are the human race still stuck in medival era , im so lost xd

[dapper gyro]

It is a different Warhammer setting.

[umbral kraken]

that's fantasy and this is 40k

[dapper gyro]

There is 40K, which is space scifi fantasy.
Then there is Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Fantasy.

[neat lintel]

ok so 2 worlds are not related to each other right ?

[dapper gyro]

Nope, other than some names, similarities and made by the same people.

Totally unrelated otherwise

[neat lintel]

ok thank you for clearing this up i was confused

[umbral kraken]

dont they share chaos gods so shouldnt they be related?

[queen laurel]

Warhammer has three settings

40k

fantasy

and age of sigmar

[neat lintel]

40k is darktide

Fantasy is total war ?

[queen laurel]

yes

[neat lintel]

thats what confused me

[neat lintel]

and these setting are not related and not happening in the same world

[queen laurel]

no

[umbral kraken]

they are minimally different universes. might be the same uh...reality? metareality?

[dapper gyro]

Well, AoS used to be the continuation/reboot, but then they keep on with the previous version at the same time, so... Whatever.

It is like Horus Heresy and 40K...

[queen laurel]

It used to be the old fantasy world yes but it's now basically its own

thing

[neat lintel]

something like different timeline or its just a different world

[queen laurel]

But now fantasy is back in the form of the old world so

meh

[queen laurel]

For 40k is completely separate from fantasy

age of sigmar is connected to fantasy

[umbral kraken]

if they're completely separate why do they have the same chaos gods? and the warp?

[dapper gyro]

For me, it's just 40k and AoS/Fantasy.

[queen laurel]

Because it's the result of the ending of age of sigmar of the realms forming together

[neat lintel]

im having a brain melt down

[neat lintel]

this make a solid question

[queen laurel]

it's not that complicated basically fantasy used to be an old fantasy base setting that got ended prematurely turning into AOS but after a long history of time it's now basically its own thing with mentions of its old previous fantasy world once in a while

And 40K is completely different and is its own thing

[dapper gyro]

It's like way so many settings have elf and orc...

[umbral kraken]

so are there two khornes?

fantasy khorne and 40k khorne?

[queen laurel]

they have similarities here and like hallmarks of warhammer settings

Like the chaos Gods

but GW has stated they are not connected

[neat lintel]

ok so

40k world

AoS/Fantasy world

Both different worlds but have sorta the same lore correct ?

[queen laurel]

they have similarities

they don't have the same lore

like the chaos gods are largely the same

[neat lintel]

yeah i meant like the gods and races

[dapper gyro]

A little bit...

[neat lintel]

but AoS/Fantasy dosnt have space marines right ?

[queen laurel]

no

[dapper gyro]

Nope

[neat lintel]

and the titus dosnt exist there

[queen laurel]

no

[dapper gyro]

Nope

[neat lintel]

ok makes more sense now

ty for clearing this up im trying to understand this world and lore

its amazing but can be confusing

[umbral kraken]

so they just named the chaos gods exactly the same thing...but they're not related...

that is tragic

[dapper gyro]

You can find some similar entities, but story wise very different.

[queen laurel]

It's just things GW decided to make hallmark of a warhammer setting

[dapper gyro]

Why elf is still elf and orc is still orc in so many fantasy and fiction stories???

[plush mason]

this reminds me, who where peter turbo's abopted parents? i have never heard of his pre emperor upbringing

[dapper gyro]

A shitty warlord, but perty is too much of a loser that even when he got stronger and seeking vengeance... He still couldn't do it.

[arctic talon]

they were related all the way back in like 1e and very early 2e for 40k

[umbral kraken]

it's a bit different when they're not only names of individuals but also when they're the names of god-like creatures that transcend time and space (namely, they transcend the confines of fantasy and 40k in the first place).

if GW has made it that they're not related then, well, i guess that's how it is for now. but it doesnt really add up too well

[opaque coyote]

Random fun fact

So Taskmaster (Marvel) actually has two interesting rules

1. He doesn’t kill family/friends/couples. He’d much rather let them think he has honor than to have them going berserk at him.

2. He doesn't go after Moon Knight

The reason why #2 is a thing is because uhh

[queen laurel]

and deadpool

[opaque coyote]

Moon Knight literally committed what's basically a fucking 9/11 level attack just to get to Taskmaster

Taskmaster literally refers to this as his own personal 9/11

[queen laurel]

he also does not like fighting again deadpool

Deadpool is psychologically insane and therefore pulls out the most random of things

[opaque coyote]

If I remember correctly, it's because he can't predict him due to Deadpool being literally insane

[queen laurel]

Yeah like I said he is psychologically insane and he will pull out the most random of things

[plush mason]

so 9/11 happens in the marvel universe?

[opaque coyote]

It literally did.

There was an entire comic series about it

It was soon after 9/11, the writers and such personally letting out their grief

Looking back it's pretty fucking awkward to see shit like Dr. Doom crying at 9/11.

[plush mason]

makes sense

[plush mason]

like how many times did he blow up the fantastic 4 tower?

[opaque coyote]

Since like, you think Dr. Doom would cry at 9/11? The only thing he'd cry about is that the plane missed Reed Richards.

[plush mason]

bit hypocritical of him there ngl

[opaque coyote]

Taskmaster's weakness is basically people who are fucking insane lmao

Can't know the enemy's move if they don't know either

[plush mason]

afaik his whole shitck is predicting and copying his foe's moves

so i cant blame him for not wanting to face ones that completely negate that

[opaque coyote]

Can't negate somebody insane enough to crash a plane towards you just to kill you

[plush mason]

yup

ngl, me and my friends building our base right next to a field of drumsand was most likely a bad idea

[shadow plover]

it's pretty funny ngl

[opaque coyote]

Yeah this page makes me confused in terms of feelings

Because on one hand, the writing in this is a genuinely beautiful statement

But then I see Dr. Doom crying and I'm just...

like

[shadow plover]

if it were someone else it could work

[opaque coyote]

I literally have no idea how to feel

[opaque coyote]

It could've been somebody like Shocker

Or The Rhino

Not fucking Dr. Doom

[shadow plover]

some one less turbo bad guy

[opaque coyote]

Hell Magneto would've kinda worked

[arctic talon]

Doom would absolutely be saying that Reed did it

lol

so that the baxter building is the tallest

or reed let it happen

[shadow plover]

real

[arctic talon]

AM I WRONG

[opaque coyote]

I'm just imagining Dr. Doom sobbing heavily

[arctic talon]

oh also can't belive he just has what looks like a normal ass gun in Tokon lol

Like I know he has guns and stuff

[opaque coyote]

"IT WAS REED RICHARDS! HE CAUSED THIS TRAGEDDYYYYY"

[arctic talon]

but this ones just like a normal ass black pistol

like it doesn't shoot normal bullets

but still lol

[opaque coyote]

"Stretch through this"

bang

[plush mason]

never forget the bat pistol

[arctic talon]

nvm the gun is def fucked up

now that I get a closer look at it

[plush mason]

literally just a fucking luger

[arctic talon]

Nah its got like

an extra fucking bit to it

[plush mason]

no the bat pistol

[arctic talon]

Oh

the bat pistol

[plush mason]

its just a luger

[opaque coyote]

Somewhat related but not really. I always found it interesting howl ike

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-doom-marvel-tokon-marvel-fighting-marvel-fighting-spirit-green-cloak-metal-head-guy-gif-7091579636717806294

[opaque coyote]

Very early Batman just fucking murdered his foes

[arctic talon]

pulling out the blicky

[plush mason]

nah iirc it fired sleep darts

[arctic talon]

also its a 4v4 fighting game

they're absolutely putting the fantastic 4 in lol

[plush mason]

heroes never killing was kinda the cornerstone of DC comics

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I had the idea of a Batman that started to murder people, but slowly began to stop until he got the "No Kill Rule"

[queen laurel]

"Jarvis, remind doctor doom what Johnny blaze did to his wife"

[arctic talon]

https://vxtwitter.com/bigskonk/status/1930514635922321624

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[opaque coyote]

He murdered people until 1940-1941 when the no kill room was established then

In the 1930s he just

outright snapped people's necks

I'm not joking

–Detective Comics #29 (1939) – Batman breaks the neck of henchman Jabah. (4)
–Detective Comics #30 (1939) – Batman snaps the neck of Dr. Death’s henchman Mikhail. (5)
–Detective Comics #33 (1939) – Batman blows up three of Kruger’s henchmen, tricks Kruger into killing his own henchman, blows up a couple more of Kruger’s henchman in a blimp explosion, then later causes Kruger to die in an airplane crash. (6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)
–Detective Comics #34 (1939) – Batman forces kidnapper Duc D’Orterre into a fatal car crash. (13)
–Detective Comics #35 (1940) – Batman causes a henchman to get impaled by a sword, then knocks Sheldon Lenox out of a window. (14, 15)
–Detective Comics #37 (1940) – Batman punches Count Grutt into a sword. (16)
–Batman #1 Part 2 (1940) – Batman allows a couple Monster Men to kill one another, shoots a couple of Hugo Strange’s henchmen, hangs a Monster Man, kills another henchman, and knocks a Monster Man off of a building. (17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23)

This is VERY early batman

[plush mason]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

So honestly I've always thought of a Batman that develops the No Kill Rule later in his career to be an interesting concept

[arctic talon]

anyways 4v4 tag fighter means its going to be degenerate as fuck lol

[opaque coyote]

"Remarkably, in Detective Comics #32 by Gardner Fox (1939), Batman terminates The Monk and Dala Vadim with a gun."

But they were both vampires and DC generally considers the undead as free game for murder.

It's funny to see this type of early stuff and how it evolves

[queen laurel]

i do love the fact they went with Roberto Reyes the ghost rider that rides the famed hell charger

[opaque coyote]

He also did kill in some WW2 based comics. But all of them were Nazis so it doesn't count

[opaque coyote]

After WW2 though, the no kill rule was firmly established

So the last kills Batman fully committed to that wasn't a really big deal

were Nazis.

Truly a hero.

[arctic talon]

thank fuck this isn't an MvC Game unironically

not that I dislike MvC

its just that its nice to finally see a new interpretation of characters kitwise lol

[plush mason]

yeah part of the whole "moral degeneracy" stuff back in the 50s iirc

lot of laws and what not looking to push "unsavory" things out of media

[queen laurel]

Imagine MVC players moving in to talk on and fighting a Hulk and hearing the words

GAMMA WAVE

[opaque coyote]

Yeah and then the campy silver age took hold.

Can't help but like those type of shit regardless though

Clearly not meant to be taken seriously

[arctic talon]

Hulk is a function not a character/hj

the same way magneto and doom are a function as well/j

[opaque coyote]

They were clearly aware that what they were making was wacky

And it's entertaining to read/watch

Still though makes sense that comics became really edgy around the 90s

since for a while we got the dumbest shit imaginable.

Since people tend to overcorrect

[queen laurel]

i'm interested how hulk will function really

[arctic talon]

Grappler of some sorts

probably will have an advancing move that can kara into a command grab

tbh

[queen laurel]

Could also be surprisingly mobile big body

[arctic talon]

either that or the thing will do that

one of the big body grapplers

[opaque coyote]

Either that or he becomes similar to Broly in the DB games

OP as fuccck

[arctic talon]

will play like Taeger or Potemkin

lol

its arcsys

[opaque coyote]

fair

[arctic talon]

they cannot help themselves

broly is Taeger on meth

he has a solid chunk of taegers normals

lol

except they're faster

and better

mid teir btw

[queen laurel]

taeger

[arctic talon]

DBFZ is so fucked up lol

[queen laurel]

Who is that one

[arctic talon]

*tager

sorry