40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

science is the physical universe adapted to our human desires

of course it wouldn't exist without humans, the material universe still would though

[late osprey]

boy i sure am glad science meets humanity's desires such as our desire for...

... coulomb's law?

didn't know that was a demand

[arctic talon]

Tbf the Light is entropy while the darkness is the lack of entropy

[late osprey]

isnt it the other way around in destiny

[arctic talon]

No

the light is chaos

Entropy is chaos no?

[late osprey]

yeah

[gray umbra]

other settings have it in reverse i think

[arctic talon]

Yeah the light is chaotic

ever changing

ect.

[late osprey]

but the Light/the Traveller is when good and orderly stuff happens

[arctic talon]

well no

the light is inherently chaotic

[gray umbra]

oh im thinking about final fantasy

[winter vessel]

And the dark?

[crystal forum]

it meets our desire to adapt the world around us as we see fit. fire was made to cook food, even though fire exists without our consent naturally

[arctic talon]

the darkness is the lack of chaos

trying to reach a single final "state"

so to speak

How people interepret that state varies

[crystal forum]

nature does not care what we do with it. it simply exists

[arctic talon]

the light and dark are not inherently good or evil

the darkness however is easy to exploit

since the light as a power can only be given

while you can just take the darkness

[late osprey]

i couldn't help myself from being bad faith, in all seriousness science is important because it prescribes how we can make whatever manipulations we want just like you say

[arctic talon]

if you're strong enough mentally and physically you can use the darkness

[winter vessel]

The interpretations for the Light and Dark always fascinated me, but still can take some time to wrap my head around.

[arctic talon]

Destiny's light and darkness also have Gods(?) maybe behind them

[late osprey]

but understanding nature INTRINSICALLY doesn't do that, the simple knowledge of it isn't actually doing anything on its own

[arctic talon]

though they're non participants

[late osprey]

no matter how widespread the knowledge is

[arctic talon]

or rather the darkness is a non participant, it just watches

[crystal forum]

yeah and i dont actually hate philosophy i just genuinely find hard core modern philosophy extremely boring

[arctic talon]

The Light got involved via the traveler

[winter vessel]

I always associated the divine entities as The Gardener and Winnower in those lore tabs. But that is a bias point of view provided by the Dark

[arctic talon]

yep

[late osprey]

a lot of it seems to be more or less "solved" to the point that modern stuff feels very pedantic at times i agree

[arctic talon]

thats explictly what unveiling is

it also (might) have been written by the witness

or doctored by it

[crystal forum]

it's more that it takes a lot of background information to understand what modern philosphers are talking about. frameworks can be very complexe

[arctic talon]

The Winnower does directly "talk" to us in a loretab

which is fun

[late osprey]

like i don't really think someone's going to create a new -ism that seriously impacts the world in the way, say, communism did

[winter vessel]

That was my 2nd theory behind the unveiling after the events of Lightfall.

[late osprey]

at least not in any meaningful forecast of the future

[arctic talon]

the Winnower is funnily enough having the time of their life watching The Guardian

[crystal forum]

we live in a post modern world baby, words dont mean shit anymore

[winter vessel]

Though I have long left Destiny 2, if they did incorporate the paracasual entities in the game of both light and dark, that’d be something

Like a physical rep.

[arctic talon]

The Winnower talks to you in an exotic ship lore tab

where it congratulates you

[winter vessel]

Really? Which one I lost track of how many I have now

In my account

[arctic talon]

Its from Nacre

[vagrant fox]

Winnover is a funny entity, great approach to the game

[arctic talon]

if you played final shapes campaign to finish you should have it

Did you think you wouldn't hear from me again, after all this? You'd have missed me, I hope—and I would certainly have missed you.

Have no fear. I'm not so easy to be rid of. Now, let me show you: my beloved.

Oh, no, not my sedimentary necrolite, fossilized in time. You've seen that. I speak of that dear and distant expanse of the universe, miraculous in its fullness and its emptiness all at once.

Are you surprised to hear of it?

Yes, I never much cared for the change of rules, but here we are, and there's no use in crying over spilled radiolaria. Besides, at the heart of it all, there was a gift. To me.

That gift is the chance to speak with you. You, and a billion like you.

I am making this offer over and over again, in every tiniest cell and the vastest of civilizations. Let me in. Take what you need. Be at ease. You have no say in the degradation of your telomeres, but in all the interim, the whole world is your sweet silicate shellfish.

You exist because you have been more suited to it than all the others. Steal what you require from another rather than spend the hours to build it yourself. Break foolish rules—why would you love regulation? It serves you to cross lines, and if others needed rules to protect them, then they were not after all worthy of that existence.

Caricatures of villainy are out of style, I hear. Yes. I am no cackling mastermind: I am serious when I say this. It was not the trick of standing upright that lifted you from the dust: it was the mastery of fire, the cooking of cold corpse-meat. That is not any unique faction's province, neither good nor evil. It is simply truth.

This great, beloved cosmos. Always decaying, always finding that same old lovely pattern, despite every candle-flame burning amid the flowers. A billion electrons taking the path of least resistance. In Darkness or in Light, someone is always making my choice.

Be seeing you.```

[gray umbra]

Philosophy will prolly changed based on the current situation like how some people think AI will lead to some utopia while theres another camp where AI will basically kill us all

[crystal forum]

oh god

[arctic talon]

WALL OF TEXT

[winter vessel]

Okay now I remember. My mind at the time was so preoccupied with finishing the expansion I forgot I got this.

[arctic talon]

tbh

[late osprey]

essentially the "philosophy" of what we consider to be basic morals hasn't changed for at least 1000 years, that being the idea that humans have inherent value and therefore we shouldn't harm them needlessly

[arctic talon]

its kind of crazy how important this lore is on analyzing the underling philosophy of the darkness

and its on some random ass ship lol

[late osprey]

if that is the moral equivalent of a scientific discovery, the applications -- almost entirely political ideas -- are the main question

which are analogous to an engineering problem

[winter vessel]

But it’s interesting how one aspect of this eternal conflict continues to engage with us. Whereas the one we have been serving since our first resurrection has not directly spoken to us

[crystal forum]

it's called dehumanizing for a reason. thinking of others as lessers is how some evil shit happens

[arctic talon]

one doesn't intervene but wants to philosophically spar

the other does intervene but refuses to talk

I think its a funny dichotomy

[late osprey]

and engineering 101 is that there is very rarely a single exclusive design that meets the desire

[crystal forum]

tell that to my hammer

[winter vessel]

I remember an old friend of mine in Destiny thought these two beings associated with light and dark are sisters.

[arctic talon]

Tbh they might be

As much as eldritch entities can be

[late osprey]

at least that's how i was taught in the first classes before i transferred from engineering

[arctic talon]

they existed from the moment of creation, live together in a garden, ect.

[crystal forum]

engineering is very applied science

[arctic talon]

also the veiled statues were probably meant to be the winnower at least in one point of development

[crystal forum]

barely a science even

[late osprey]

it's specifically the field of applying science, exactly

[winter vessel]

Was kinda disappointed with the outcome of that in Final Shape

[arctic talon]

It was an explanation, ig

[late osprey]

translating scientific discoveries into means to manipulate the world

[arctic talon]

fucking creepy ass statues

[winter vessel]

Seeing this one move is unsettling. At least the cloak portion of it

[crystal forum]

i can barely explain the difference between science and technology

[arctic talon]

It also "breathes"

which is even more unsettling imo

[crystal forum]

i know they're different but it's hard to explain

[late osprey]

i like to visualize science as essentially the "source" in the sense of human knowledge, before nature itself there really isn't anything before science

except MAYBE math in SOME scientific contexts

[winter vessel]

I remember reading this old fic before it was taken down. That shows the Gardener and Winnower. Their game, the Gardener growing tired of the same outcome, the eventual conflict between the two. It concludes with The Winnower tries to amends before the Gardener departs and the W going crazy as she forms the “knives”.

[crystal forum]

i used to think math is the very essence of the universe translated to human understanding

but high level math is far less concrete than it seems

[arctic talon]

thats a fun explanation for all the pyramid ships

[late osprey]

i think in some contexts it can infer a lot to science,

[arctic talon]

tbh the pyramid ship architecture even though it got less creepy in Witch Queen

imo looks way better

aesthetically

[late osprey]

but like my sister is studying environmental science and she does next to 0 math

[crystal forum]

that would be more like biology right?

[late osprey]

yeah

[crystal forum]

yeah there's a hierarchy to science in how close you are to math

math
physics
chemistry
biology

[late osprey]

sounds about right

[winter vessel]

The fleet kinda suffered a “more is less” scenario for me. I remember walking those dark halls of the ship buried under Luna. Claustrophobic and you know something is watching you. That sinister feeling of an ancient evil

[arctic talon]

also still waiting on that yellow element

I don't even play destiny anymore

I just want to see what it is lol

[crystal forum]

like medicine is far less accurate of a science than physics

[winter vessel]

Yeah. I ended that toxic relationship after I killed the witness. I’ll chime in and see what they have but now it’s just the literal filler arc.

[crystal forum]

you wont see a doctor predicting what a broken bone will do in 490 years

[languid meadow]

red subclass

[arctic talon]

We'll get to The Nine plotline when we get to it(its going to be another couple fucking years)

[outer wave]

Damn I can't believe the LGBT were involved with the fight between light and dark

[arctic talon]

LOL

[vagrant fox]

I miss Destiny sometimes, they cooked up some cool lore

[outer wave]

Yeah they got cool lore

[languid meadow]

fallen houses my beloved

and all of the tablets of ruin

[winter vessel]

I pity those who will never get to experience the red war like me and many others did

[arctic talon]

House mogus

[winter vessel]

That’s gone for good

[arctic talon]

I want a destiny tabletop skirmish game

tbh

lol

Good setting for it

[outer wave]

I recall there being a Destiny 2 TTRPG homebrew in 5e

[arctic talon]

There is yeah

its a total 5e conversion

[winter vessel]

Neat

[arctic talon]

It has ammo tracking and shit lol

[outer wave]

You can play as other races

[arctic talon]

which is fun

[winter vessel]

Even the Vex?

[languid meadow]

Devil Splicers and house of wolves are so cool

[vagrant fox]

It'll be decayed 🤓

[outer wave]

I recall so yeah

[arctic talon]

Yes

[outer wave]

It sounds like Soulbound ngl

[winter vessel]

Also, Precursors for the win

[arctic talon]

Def soulbound adjacent vibes

lol

actually

I have the core rulebook for the conversion

one moment

[winter vessel]

Admech would froth at the mouth with the Devil splicers

[arctic talon]

oh what the fuck

they made a 2e

goddamn I forgot how much original art they made for this thing

[languid meadow]

Aksis' swag is impeccable

[crystal forum]

eat my ass

[sly ivy]

Wait stop can I watch

[vagrant fox]

I can't eat ass rn I'm listening to spongebob music

Playing as Lucent Hive could be pretty cool

[winter vessel]

Our ghost had no mercy for us killing those lucent hive ghosts. I was like “damn boy didn’t know you roll like that.”

[vagrant fox]

He got a bit feisty but then again I popped those ghosts like bubble wrap

[winter vessel]

Now Savathun has a bone to pick with us after that little shindig involving Eris and Oryx. Another god to turn into a gun I guess

[languid meadow]

My fav fun fact about destiny is that there's a guardian who was killed over 13k years ago and was brought back

which is a funny concept

[winter vessel]

I once created an OC who was made a guardian just before the astronauts arrived on mars to encounter the traveler.

[languid meadow]

dying in a prehistoric conflict to fighting aliens and god

[winter vessel]

Guardian: “unga bunga”. Their ghost: “uh…sure”

[late osprey]

i never put much thought into my guardian's fluff, but i always dressed him up as John Guardian in all the default armor

he would always get the top score for costume design

[vagrant fox]

Savathun is funny she can stay she'll be no problem
Or she could do that whisper of the worm trick, like Xol. Man this guy is gonna kill a lot of things, I'm gonna be his gun

[winter vessel]

I was a prodigal set fanboy for my warlock since I always rocked that helm in D1

[arctic talon]

He was from Sumeria iirc lol

[winter vessel]

Bring out the guardian from Birmingham

[late osprey]

also i stopped thinking about his fluff because he otherwise wouldve been a New Monarchy Exile

since i'm what you call a New Monarchy Champion

[arctic talon]

me with FWC 💀

[languid meadow]

as soon as drifter joined the game I stopped caring about factions

I was a full blown rat with him

[vagrant fox]

Gambit could be so very tedious

[winter vessel]

I just like the color green. And gambit was a happier alternative than the definition of PAIN (Crucible)

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-season-of-plunder-witch-queen-guardian-hunter-gif-26555363

[vagrant fox]

Crucible was also very tedious but at least I got the claymore

Shaxx at least kept my humour up while suffering

[late osprey]

Your ass is grass.

[sacred bluff]

New Monarchy>other factions

[arctic talon]

Wormwood sweeps

[languid meadow]

wyrmwood trials carry

[arctic talon]

I will shoot you with insect timber

[rose thorn]

“What the fuck is that- oh destiny”

[arctic talon]

LOL

Did you see Chorf leaks

for AoS

[winter vessel]

Honestly yeah

[arctic talon]

can't belive it smh

all of you are a bunch of facists, ignore the facist cult like tendancies of my favorite destiny faction

FWC would never plan for a violent overthrow of the last city's consensus

[sacred bluff]

Then they should have had better aesthetic and not looked so goofy

Dead orbit and fwc just looked ugly

[polar hill]

That's straight-up just a DC-17 blaster

[arctic talon]

Dead Orbit looked edgy as fuck lol

[winter vessel]

sorry @arctic talon but FWC colors look like something i'd see out of a knock off lego set

[arctic talon]

just black and white

[arctic talon]

I don't need to look pretty, I simply need to stack up bodies

[winter vessel]

fair enough

[arctic talon]

FWC's guns were by far the best on average in both D1 and D2

NM had probably the best overall PVP weapons

[winter vessel]

they certainly loved their omolons

[arctic talon]

with the shotgun in D1 and a few other things

Dead Orbit only ever made 1 weapon that was like

worth looking at

which was Hung Jury lol

the rest of Dead Orbits guns could probably be thrown into a blender and literally no one would notice

[winter vessel]

i remember using this one for a time

[arctic talon]

yeah that one is nice

oh also fun fact

its a chopped up sniper model

which is really funny

It shares a base model with DARCI

You can never unsee it now

[winter vessel]

this thing was a literal weaponize my computer

[arctic talon]

I like how they buffed it lol

its fucking Sniper Gjallarhorn now

[winter vessel]

i'll never forget my first exotic weapon

[arctic talon]

god

the Suros Regime

that thing fucking shreded in D1

still shreds in D2 but not as hard

[winter vessel]

trading rate of fire for superb damage. the old girl made my experience in crucible a little more tolerable.

what didn't make it tolerable?

damn felwinter shotgun sliders

[arctic talon]

my first exotic was Red Death lol

[winter vessel]

a classic

[arctic talon]

my favorite crutch

I do like how they brought back Red Death in D2

[winter vessel]

got called a punk ass for using this in Crucible

[arctic talon]

LOL

NTTE

I got the ornament for Red Death in D2 with bright dust just for old times sake

I do like how it shifted from an extremely selfish gun to a still extremely selfish gun that also now heals allies

[winter vessel]

i knew a guy who tried to make a case for jade rabbit. he had the most deaths in a crucible match

[arctic talon]

tbh

the gun just isn't good

like I get why it was made

but the whole "body shots boost damage of next head shot" thing is like

bad

[winter vessel]

oh yeah. I forgot i also went through an "Old Town Road" phase using this

honestly, not bad in the crucible

and then i think i only ever used two exotic hand cannons in PVP

last word and ace of spades

[arctic talon]

Tbf

both are def built for PVP lol

last word especially

that thing is unfortunately worthless in PVE

I honestly wish PVP exotics got some sort of boost in PVE so they're not literally worse then legendaries sometimes

[winter vessel]

yeah. even back in d1 i had no skill in hand cannons. i only did it in honor of Cayde-6 so my Huntress uses it

was always good with auto rifles and pulse rifles

scout rifles were a 50/50 for me

[arctic talon]

I like pulses and autos in D1

I like sidearms and pulses in 2

Sidearms are fucking hilarious lol

they chew through people like nothing

[winter vessel]

literal pew pews are a menace

these things were a pain in the ass if you were doing control matches

could barely get a foot into the zone without taking some damage

[tough haven]

Can anyone help me come up with a backstory/explanation for a Runtherd that’s somehow ended up as a merc for a RT in dire straits? This is gonna be a tricky character to make work

@queen laurel you got any ideas?

[arctic talon]

Them adding area denial grenade launcher frames has made it even worse lol

Think witherhoard but a legendary

The burst ones are also insufferable

But they’re entirely utility weapons

They suck at actually killing

[winter vessel]

yeah, but they can certainly be a nuisance and inch away at your shield and health

[arctic talon]

Yep

[winter vessel]

here's a fun one from my experience I remember wasting hours completing the quest to get Khvostov in my hands again. and i still remember "AW Honey! what did they do to you?!" when I got its default appearance. I loathe the eververse shop, but this one instance i decided to pretty her up and got an ornament

[arctic talon]

I got the ornament for BD

I just waited

Khovosotv is such a fun gun tbh

The richochets

[winter vessel]

Khvostov became my old reliable in PVE and PVP.

[arctic talon]

The sound design on the thing is so good tbh

[winter vessel]

yeah. I do like the lore tab it came with it

[jade holly]

Back when I played D2 I had a hilarious PvP build

An angry yeti with a minigun

Titan stasis class with the icefall mantle and sweet business

[winter vessel]

y'know I'm not even sure if i remember using Stasis class outside of PVE

[arctic talon]

I used it in pvp when it was broken as shit

Lol

But my preferred subclass is void or Solar

Survivability is nice

[winter vessel]

I was what they call a typical Nova Bomb Bitch. Ah good ol warlock days

[arctic talon]

I play titan

D1 sunbreaker on launch

was so fucking stupid

[winter vessel]

oh man that was a nightmare

[jade holly]

You know what I miss?

[arctic talon]

cauterize was genuinely the most derranged ability ever made

lol

[jade holly]

Obsidian Mind

[arctic talon]

Like

[jade holly]

the void bomb spam in PvP was glorious

[arctic talon]

what the fuck do you mean solar self damage heals and any solar kill fully heals

Like ????

[jade holly]

Combined with Bad Juju?

[winter vessel]

i like how its just beta warlock helmet but painted black

[arctic talon]

Me when I toss a grenade at my heat and I'm instantly full HP

• constantly regening from the burn

thank you bungo

[arctic talon]

Good old obsidian mind

I do miss some of the really jank as shit terrible exotics in D1

the Titan and Warlock one

[winter vessel]

what's that one alternate arc ability for Titan? the one where you become a literal rocket

[arctic talon]

that made more glimmer + shit out heavy ammo bricks randomly

was hilarious

[arctic talon]

ballistic strike?

or do you mean the super

[winter vessel]

the super my bad

[arctic talon]

Ah, Thundercrash

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-code-code-of-the-missile-gaming-gif-16310851

[winter vessel]

Thundercrash YES. lemme tell you a story. I was doing a control match on vostok, we were neck and neck. and there 4 of us holding zone B. opp team controlled the other two but we had better killers. Anyways, I see this titan coming from Zone A hop in the air and activate thunder crash and most of us were badly hit and the warlocks exhausted their healing rifts. but he must've not had any control over it because he's moving erratically. HE OVERSHOT his impact into Zone B and was nose diving off the map

[arctic talon]

LOL

the worst part is

once you steer too much you lose all control

[winter vessel]

yeah! he honestly could've taken that win since their kills were worth double the points with both zones but flunked it. I was cry laughing so much from witnessing it. i should've recorded that night

man, crucible was a slough fest for sure, but there were some golden moments in my experience

[queen laurel]

Make him a traveling runtherd traveling around to know the secrets of true squigs and grot feeding formulas to make super versions of those things but in his path to doing that he got betrayed

[tough haven]

I like this idea, maybe he’s shacking up with Humies and the other races of the galaxy to learn their kultur, and to try and figure out how to best herd them

Also he’s in it for the loads of dakka and loot those flash Humies are giving him for it

[queen laurel]

You want a runtherd to hang out with other guys so that they can learn how to be a pro at enslaving them

Is that what you're saying

[tough haven]

I mean kinda lol

It was just an idea

I gotta figure out a reason why he’s content to tolerate the rest of the party

[queen laurel]

An rt would not let a runtherd hang out with them because it's learning how to enslave things better

[tough haven]

Well he doesn’t outright say that, and they aren’t actually with the RT

[queen laurel]

They are interested in that stuff but they are all about improving their craft and their craft is

Making stronger and tougher squigs and grots

That's what exemplifies a runtherd

[tough haven]

This is a ragtag merc team hired by the RT to help deal with all the bullshit going on in their protectorate

And it’s in a region known to sanction xenos mercs in a pinch

[tough haven]

Maybe he just wants a chance to test out his gits

And this job gives opportunities to do that against all types of foes, including other orks

[queen laurel]

You think a runtherd doesn't want to improve those things?

[tough haven]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

[queen laurel]

A runtherd always wants to improve and make tougher stronger pets

[tough haven]

He improves his grots, and then tests out each batch against whatever he’s supposed to be krumpin

And then when his grots inevitably die, he takes what he learned from it and starts with a new group

How’s that sound?

[queen laurel]

You're just repeating what i said but that the betrayal part

Is removed

[tough haven]

Its a solid idea, I’m just making sure I got it right, I’m not sure how I can work in the betrayal bit

[queen laurel]

Shootaz blood and teeth is literally about an ork

[tough haven]

Maybe he’s a blood axe and the mob he was in stabbed him in the back first?

[queen laurel]

Going on a killing spree because his war boss betrayed him and stole his fancy wig

[tough haven]

So you’re saying I should just take that concept?

Cause I’m cool with that

[queen laurel]

It could literally be many things

Let's say that he found a good secret and when he was about to do it he got betrayed

There's literally so many ways you could work in the betrayal bit

[tough haven]

Would give motivation as to why he isn’t keen on working with the other orks in the system

[queen laurel]

He got exiled and told that his ideas are stupid

[tough haven]

From the experimenting idea, if I really wanted to steal from shootas blood and teef, maybe he had perfected or had gotten close to making “the perfect squig” and his warboss either took it just because, or ate it because he was hungry

[queen laurel]

More around he had a traveling posy of other runtherds that betrayed him but i guess what can work

[tough haven]

This sounds good, I’m also trying to tie a motivation for revenge against the warboss currently leading a waaagh in the system, that’s the only reason I mentioned a warboss

[tough haven]

Maybe I’ll just have it so a runtherd from this band stole some trade secret for making supposedly the “perfect” band of grots, and said runtherd now works under this warboss

If it’s better for it to stay about other runtherds

[queen laurel]

I was more suggesting like this

The runtherd that was going to join your rt had four other runherd following him along

Those four betrayed him

Split up the knowledge between themselves on what they wanted the most

And now one of the quests is to help him out find those for

[tough haven]

Like a kind of personal quest for him?

That sounds good

Thanks for the help

It’s gonna be fun having a horde of grots following this guy around and having it be the rest of the party’s problem

[queen laurel]

No problem anytime

[tough haven]

Might make it too enticing for them to just blast apart the runtherd though

Since I’m kinda barely holding together why this ragtag group doesn’t just kill each other

Cause so far we’ve got a space marine scout, a Ordo xenos interrogator, and his lexmechanic, an Aeldari ranger, and this runtherd

It’s a fuckin mess I have no clue how to work out lol

[opaque coyote]

10/10

Honestly 3/4 of that group would've already been Shakey at best

But the runtherd makes things so much worse

[tough haven]

I know, on one hand I love that my players are throwing gasoline on the fire, but also I have to put out the fire now

[opaque coyote]

If it really can't work then advise the runtherd to change

Since the Ordos Xeno Interrogator logically would be...

Tolera-

Oka-

...

Not immediately murder the Aeldari Ranger

[tough haven]

I want it to work though, because this kinda shit is my favorite dynamic

[opaque coyote]

Fair

[tough haven]

Well this particular interrogator is veeeery radical

And maybe a little corrupt

[opaque coyote]

That could work.

If they have a specific vice, the Aeldari can uh

Supply them. As long as it isn't idk sex

[tough haven]

To be honest, he might take in interest in how runtherds torment living beings

He really loves his job

[opaque coyote]

I feel like the Ordo Xenos Interrogator and Runtherd would be a weird rival sort of thing

[tough haven]

And consequently, really doesn’t like the Aeldari

[opaque coyote]

Like Ghazkgull and Yarrick

[tough haven]

But he’s shown himself to work with them in the past if it benefits him

[opaque coyote]

Except the other side appreciates it

A rivalry between them in terms of torture would be interesting

"OI I AIN'T ABOUTZ TO BE UPSTAGED BY A HUMIE!"

"Try your best you disgusting mushroom. I'll get this man talking within two minutes!"

[tough haven]

Imagine how fucking horrifying the receiving end of that is

[opaque coyote]

The Aeldari gets "vouched" for by the Marine chapter so the Interrogator, on order of the Inquistor, can't shoot them

Part of some prophecy bullshit

That would be worse for all if the ranger died

[tough haven]

I was gonna have the RTs factotum as a part of their contracts state that they can’t kill each other until the job is done

But that could work

[opaque coyote]

How did the space marine scout get there though

[tough haven]

He’s not in the party immediately

He’ll be picked up in a battlefield of the party’s choosing as the only survivor of his squad

[opaque coyote]

For some reason I'm kinda imagining him as the straight man throughout this entire situation.

"Aren't I... supposed to kill them brother?"

"Trust me. Be alive long enough and shit gets weird."

"By the Emperor..."

"Yup."

[tough haven]

He’s the voice of reason lol

Btw the lexmechanic is 100% xenarite

They joined the Ordo xenos instantly when they heard alien tech was at the function

[opaque coyote]

The Interrogator looks into their room. Sees a bunch of Necron tech

"...I can explain."

[tough haven]

He’d be like “tell me how I can use this to kill people faster”

Oh what’s even funnier is if the ranger dies, their backup character is a drukhari to make things even worse

An incubi is a relatively simple thing to explain away though, especially in a RT situation

“Yeah I hired him to kill people for me”

[opaque coyote]

The Space Marine Scout is now wondering if the Emperor is punishing him

[tough haven]

The answer is yes

Oh @queen laurel related question (sorry for so many pings) how do I explain to my runtherd player that you practically have to mistreat grots for them to not stab you in the back?

[queen laurel]

You don't

Here's the thing

How about making your runtherd

Who is going to be an exile anyway and is hated by other orks

Different in that

[tough haven]

Like they’re probably gonna try to be be nice to them or some shit, and that’s just not how it works (actually wait, that could be the sort of ideological split that could make them get kicked out)

[queen laurel]

He treats his grots with respect

[tough haven]

I like that, kinda unique

[opaque coyote]

Grots mind instantly explodes at the idea of not being treated like shit for once

[queen laurel]

You haven't read about this guy?

[opaque coyote]

[tough haven]

They’re definitely gonna still cause mischief and shit unless he steps in though, especially if he teaches them he gives a long leash

[tough haven]

Not extensively no

I know bits and pieces of his lore

Lemme read about him on Lexi rq

[tough haven]

Honestly they’d probably partially hate it with how fucked up Ork society is and how ingrained in them it is

[queen laurel]

Read https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zodgrod_Wortsnagga

[opaque coyote]

On a weird way, that's kinda how abused kids are

Like they get treated with kindness and they become

Confused

[tough haven]

Boy do I know it

Not personally

[opaque coyote]

...Christ now I feel bad

[tough haven]

But I work with those groups of kids a lot

[opaque coyote]

Thankfully not first hand also

[queen laurel]

Why did you steer us talking about making an ork character into abused kids

[opaque coyote]

idk

[tough haven]

Anyways, kick your grots every once in a while if your bored

They probably did something to deserve it

[opaque coyote]

"OI GIT GET OUTTA THE WAYZ!"

[tough haven]

Such as not getting out of the way of my zoggin foot fast enough

[opaque coyote]

Have there been any Orks that like

Talk in a Posh British accent

Usually they're cockney

IK they're technically speaking their own language and it's just for convenience that it's in English for us

But it would be funny to have Posh Orks

[late osprey]

i wasn't @'d, but giving them debuffs for not being mistreated will get the point across

[tough haven]

Grots but they’re just disciplined like normal unruly children instead of just being beaten

[rose thorn]

“Oh hey the worst detachments in the game list I wonder what’s on there”

agents of the imperium
agents of the imperium
agents of the imperium
space marines
Genestealer cults

[tough haven]

“OI, SNIKGOB! GIVE BACK DA BOSS’ SHOOTA OR YOUR GOING IN ZOGGIN TIME OUT!”

“AN’ YOUR GONNA LOSE YOUR GUBBINZ PRIVILEGES FOR A WEEK TOO!”

[rose thorn]

Oh hey the Genestealer one is the brood bother one, which literlaly has rules that doesn’t do anything

And, you still take it because the whole army has no killing power

[queen laurel]

You want the cruelty aspect

Just make it that he gives them a good kick once in a while but

Still treats them relatively speaking by ork standards respect

But in my opinion it's

More interesting to have it be that the runtherd is not cruel

To his grots and squigs

[outer wave]

Runtherds could easily just be somewhat strict but not outright malicious to his grots

[queen laurel]

Berk

Have you read about

Zoggrod wortsnagga

[outer wave]

Nadda, I havent

[queen laurel]

Search up

Zoggrod wortsnagga lexi

Read that over and then come back here

[outer wave]

Awesome

Actually this is cool

Now we need roided up Gretchin

[opaque coyote]

Some bored Orks find the combat drugs supply from a raid of a guardsman base.

"OI BOYZ... I HAZ AN IDEA!"

[outer wave]

They create hob-gretchin

[opaque coyote]

They get to experimenting with different combos

[outer wave]

For a moment, Im just thinking of a hob-gretchin doing some wild ass fighting combos and taking down a space marine by doing quarter circle back, heavy kick into light punch

[opaque coyote]

I mean that also depending on what drugs are injected

Slaught + Frenzon

My favorite

Also I searched up "combat drugs" on lexicanum

Unsurprisingly approx 60% of the list just had

'Used by the Emperor's Children"

Next to the names

[outer wave]

I almost wonder if raiding a supply of Emperor Children drugs then diluting them would work as effective combat drugs

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't even tell wtf it actually does

Just says

"used by the Emperor's children"

Seriously wtf is Sanctus VI?

Idk but it's used by the EC that's for sure

[outer wave]

Could've been a cool strategem thing for them to use

[opaque coyote]

Oh it actually does tell the source

[outer wave]

"Roll dice and see which drug you use: Fiend of Slaanesh Milk or Sanctus VI? You'll never know!!"

[opaque coyote]

"The drug is extracted from the amniotic control tanks of loyalist Titans. A rare substance, it is available only from tanks whose occupants have been kept alive and tortured then allowed to putrefy. The tank is slowly drained over the warband's victory feasts, with favoured warriors permitted to drink a goblet of the fluid.'

[outer wave]

Amniotic control tanks
So the pilot area or elsewhere?

[opaque coyote]

Presumably judging by the rare part and the fact that the occupants are tortured

The pilot

[outer wave]

Interesting

[arctic talon]

It’s from the new codex

Their crusade rules are literally a drug lab

Lol

[opaque coyote]

So the average EC Marine is extremely skilled and extremely hopped up on both Chaos Juice and a cocktail of actual drugs

Yeah that sounds terrifying

Would they even feel pain?

Actually considering they worship Slaanesh they probably get off to that type of shit

Which is terrifying to think about.

You shoot them, armor torn with several bullet holes, and they simply just smile before crushing your head.

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if they'll feel pain properly again if they encounter the emperor child thing.

[opaque coyote]

Probably will feel pain

Exclusively

[astral burrow]

Hi

[raven stone]

Morning chat

At office

[astral burrow]

Morning coffee chat

[tough haven]

Definitely

[wintry scarab]

I need to quickly rant on a random topic: You know how google has its shitty AI overview at the top of search results? They have now added it to the dropdown results below it. So not even that is safe.

[raven stone]

We are now on the first steps to Dark Age of Technology

[astral burrow]

Cuz fuck muscle memory ig

[astral burrow]

I just found all 3 metro books do I buy em

They got nothing 40k damn it

[sly ivy]

Good morning rejects

[astral burrow]

Bad evening accepteds

[crystal forum]

huh there's a 28 years later ARG

[storm jungle]

based

[astral burrow]

ARG?

Like they did for dark knight and Blair witch?

[umbral kraken]

or portal 2

if only they'd do an ARG for half life 3, dont think they will

[astral burrow]

If only they did half life 3

[fierce pendant]

best we can do is another vr exclusive this time as a prequel to half life 1

• with new bread crumbs vr physics

[umbral kraken]

they are

[astral burrow]

Hah funny

[umbral kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUj4iMRKGqM for example

[astral burrow]

Yeah I don't trust leaks

[umbral kraken]

what does that mean

this video is has evidence that's kinda circumstantial i suppose but there's way more

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/K7hQztxXSkg?si=gut7SqxdjwcVmIkf

the youtuber is annoying but there ya go

[crystal forum]

as jaded as i am about HL3 hype, we do seem to be the closest we've ever been to it actually releasing

but this is valve so it could still be cancelled any moment

[umbral kraken]

it could, yeah

[crystal forum]

i'm just happy that it will apparently not be VR

[astral burrow]

After Titanfall 3

I am not gonna hope for anything

If it happens that's great

[crystal forum]

i thought you'd be more worried about the fact that there's more cancelled half life 3 projects than there are half life games

[sly ivy]

God hl2 was a good game

[crystal forum]

valve employees will abandon an entire full fledged game project to work on a 20 minute tech demo

[astral burrow]

Valve employees will stop making games so they can make more shitty skins to fuel people's gambling addiction

[storm jungle]

This isnt even a meme too

they had Alyx 95% done once and scrapped it all and re-did it

actual Admech tier shit

[umbral kraken]

that's how you attain greatness

[astral burrow]

That's how you attain mid

[umbral kraken]

what the

(gif of some kind that reflects annoyance or anger)

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/krennic-stare-gif-27349498

[storm jungle]

[fathom flame]

Sounds like typical IT company move

[crystal forum]

what

[astral burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/652330475402035221/1381984040558530580/v12044gd0000d13itunog65vpe3l3jd0.mov?ex=6849806f&is=68482eef&hm=1ce9cec94eed086557bfd4e7c39a855dc5c4f202990b497e01f88723fb8093b6&

In 8 days, we can do the funny

[storm jungle]

Saving that one

man lmao

[shadow plover]

real
||but 15 years ago||

[outer wave]

Me but each year with the consistent entries

[winter vessel]

7 titles is a "Fast and Furious" level kind of funny with Black Ops

lets get to Black Ops X

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1ovkvf4r/old-world-almanack-building-the-celestial-empire-of-grand-cathay/

Biased because it is my culture but I think worth reading :
😅

[outer wave]

Between the constant entries and the fact that the previous entries are too expensive and have a RAT problem means I don't really care about anything else coming out. But I guess Black Ops Modern Warfare 15 will eventually be a thing

[winter vessel]

World At War still being priced at $20 really tells a lot. Activision: "I wanna make a quick buck because i'm a Greedy Fuck"

[outer wave]

20 bucks for a fuckin' 20 year old something game is so scummy

I'd rather just sail for it tbh

[shadow plover]

aren't the 10 year old games still full priced

hilarious

[winter vessel]

they price it like they know their recent titles are slop,. So if there is still a substantial portion of the player base who'd want to go back to the old titles, gives em the excuse to continue pricing it at an absurd amount despite its age.

[outer wave]

It's so dogshit

[arctic talon]

40k

probably?

or munda

[queen laurel]

definitely for 40K the terrain work is too modern

[celest dome]

Could be stone masonry with iron reinforcement, could match somewhat with the Ghost faction thingy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Thing they makes me like doubt that

Is the “style”

It’s too angular and wide for the metal stuff

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/tentofate-elmo-elmo-staring-gif-11901234066681497328

That’s it?

Year of chaos: 50 space marine reveals, 8 chaos reveals combined across 40K and AoS

[arctic talon]

💀

There’s no fucking shot

We’re not getting a single other chaos battletome this year

Right

right

[queen laurel]

wait so they're capping year of chaos for aos with

this guy

ok look i like the guy but you're for real?

[arctic talon]

Oh he’s great

But I don’t like the implication

We’re not getting a single chaos battleline for the rest of 2025

Lol

Grand alliance chaos found dead in a ditch

[queen laurel]

bro they showered the skaven and slaves attention then with khorne they're like

Fine you get this one guy but don't tell your other compatriots

what about Tzeentch, nurglle, slannesh

[arctic talon]

Well

That’s normal

GW always gives at least 1 mini

Excluding giant stuff only factions

A character is the easy answer

[arctic talon]

Waiting for tome

Which is presumably coming 2026 earliest

[queen laurel]

Well I hope to God it comes

The rest of the chaos factions got shafted this year in AOS

[arctic talon]

It’s going to be a foot hero or some variety of character imo

Blades of khorne literally needed a refresh the most

Lol

[queen laurel]

yeah they need that khorgos khul guy

[arctic talon]

They’re built like 1e stormcast mostly

For blades

[queen laurel]

as a really big centerpiece

[arctic talon]

They just need

New versions of their stuff

[queen laurel]

yeah another one that needs attention would definitely be in death with flesh eaters

they have a lot of old shit

[arctic talon]

FEC already got a big refresh

If they get one 2 editions in a row that would be cool

[queen laurel]

that is true

welp year of chaos was definitely weak this year

not the worst mind you but definitely on the weaker side

[arctic talon]

At least thousand sons didn’t get a character

[queen laurel]

Year of chaos my chaos bro this is the year of the space wolf

my god the things they have gotten

[arctic talon]

Maybe they should have tried selling better/j

Unironically the chaos factions are pretty complete in AoS I’d say

But more stuff would always be nice

Anyways if chorfs come out before 2026 I’ll admit I was wrong but until then lol

Lmao

[queen laurel]

dude i want them so bad

[sly ivy]

This is good article

I wish I could read

[raven stone]

On other news

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/nd4k1col/the-year-of-chaos-in-review-all-the-gifts-of-the-dark-gods/

GW is clearly cheating

When they count Chaos products across multiple incompatible lines

[sly ivy]

Hey bro the warp is shared among all realities bro

[queen laurel]

well they didn't call it year of chaos 40k or AOS

[rose thorn]

AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAH

AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

THEY TRIED SO HARD TO GLAZE UP 40K FOR THIS

[sly ivy]

rip

lumbered off the mortal coil

[celest dome]

I've been told that year of Chaos was last year or something

[crystal forum]

every year is space marine year

i havent seen the arbites killteam models posted yet

they have a lot more variety than i remember

and that's it

i did not remember them having a heavy stubber

that is so cool

and of course it still looks like a shotgun

[astral burrow]

What happened to the turtle

[celest dome]

It doesn't really

[crystal forum]

no

[sharp pollen]

FYETISH helmet

[sly ivy]

Dilara banned him from the discord & he wasted away

[sly ivy]

These are so cool aren’t they

I wish GW hadn’t bungled the Imperial Agents “faction” rollout so badly.

[astral burrow]

Damn

[iron mural]

Can successer chapters have different esthetics and culture than the original chapter but still be considered a successer chapter? Because I’m wanting to make a salamanders homebrew chapter and I want to give them a Viking/spartan esthetic

[vagrant fox]

Yea, see Ultramarines and the Libators and Mortifactors

[median star]

but why

[outer wave]

He needs to grind his food up

He's like a momma bird

[iron mural]

Also can loyalist chapters have horns and spikes? Or is that a no go?

[median star]

spikes yea horns probably maybe

[polar hill]

As in mutations or decoration?

[iron mural]

Decoration

[polar hill]

Spikes are sometimes used, but in moderation, and usually on accessories like shackles

As for decorative horns, I don't believe I've seen any used by Loyalists

Oh, and spikes are also on Iron Halos, but idk if they're spikes spikes since they're just supposed to be rays of light

[storm jungle]

Extensively yes.

One of the best form of Successors are ones that resemble barely anything from their parent Chapter

ala Executioners = Imperial Fists

[iron mural]

I see

[humble shoal]

Mortifactors

Ultramarines

Black templars->fists

[sharp pollen]

"Continue, IDIOTS!"

[storm jungle]

Me watching 40k server members be like

[polar hill]

Oh I just saw this; successor chapters are defined by the genestock they're descended from, not necessarily by aesthetic or culture

[lofty mason]

Challenge: I just spawned in as a normal human on some IoM-controlled planet, what do I need to do to get killed the fastest?

[polar hill]

So if a chapter looks like they have Norse influence, but their gene-seed is derived from Guilliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines, then they're still a successor chapter of the Ultramarines

[storm jungle]

Way too many factors.

[sacred ginkgo]

Find the nearest railing

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[vagrant fox]

just yell out loud that the emperor is not a god 4head

[iron mural]

Yell out emperor sucks and BAM bolter shot to the head

[sacred ginkgo]

Nobody just casually around has a bolter

[summer mural]

Yeah they do

[polar hill]

Exalt Chaos

[summer mural]

Everyone has a bolter

It might not work, but its a bolter

[iron mural]

Yuh huh

[celest dome]

Emotional support Bolter

[iron mural]

Emotional support ogryn

[languid meadow]

I love tax evasion

[rose thorn]

Someone posted this in the AOS discord

[opaque coyote]

Ecclesiarchy sounding ahh

Find the two real life conservative quote out of the darktide loading screen quotes(impossible):

Blessed are the intolerant

Tolerance begets heresy

True faith is blind and justified

Do not commit the sin of empathy

Be not merciful

Faith needs no excuse

Condemn the damned to their reward

Ignorance is thy best defence

Intolerance is a blessing

Mercy is a disease; intolerance is the cure

Suffer no impurity

Innocence proves nothing

To relinquish contempt is capitulation

[celest dome]

Innocence proves nothing

[opaque coyote]

One down, another one to go!

[astral burrow]

Do not commit the sin of empathy

[celest dome]

Nah

[rose thorn]

Warmonger found in Twitter

Fork found in kitchen

[astral burrow]

I have seen that being posted around

That's real

[opaque coyote]

Ding ding ding ding sing

[astral burrow]

That's a genuine tweet someone made

[opaque coyote]

Congratulations you win

...

Uh

idk

[celest dome]

It's not from 40k

[opaque coyote]

This

[winter vessel]

dang, Canoptek models are big

[astral burrow]

That's the thing

Find the one that isn't from 40k

[rose thorn]

Yeah it’s just irl ppl being cringe want to murder people who speak different languages

[celest dome]

It's from when an American person said it to an Eveque that called for compassion for some peoples

[opaque coyote]

Although I also heard Innocence proves nothing also passed around

Especially recently

[opaque coyote]

"He's right behind me isn't he?" Ahh

[winter vessel]

oh right, Mindseye was released today, I better check that out

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though

Imagine being some guardsman from some

Backwards planet

Happy to enlist for your planet and the Imperium

...

And then the first fucking thing you see in your deployment is the Canoptek

Followed by an entire legion of fucking robotic skeletons

[sly ivy]

Rip

[opaque coyote]

You see them fire and see the person next to you disintegrate. They barely managed to scream in agony before the disintegration reached their lungs.

Now the Commissar is shouting at you all to affix bayonets and charge.

...and that's how I would frame an introduction to a 40k book

...

If I ever write one

[opaque coyote]

Also the "intro protagonist" would've died by being made as an example

Even though he was literally just there

The Commissar just shot him randomly to "motivate" his men

He didn't even die to an enemy

It probably would cut to like a "formal" battle report where a regiment was considered to be completely eliminated with "no need for transfers"

Implying that they all died to whatever enemies. In this case, Necrons.

And also that "Due to bodies being unable to be found, compensation will not be given to their kin"

@sly ivy also as a random question

Say you got shot in the head

with a bolt pistol

But the bolt itself was faulty

It didn't explode, but just passed through regularly

Would there be a very very small chance of survival?

Like 0.01%

[queen laurel]

Laati

A giant size round just tore a hole through your brain

[opaque coyote]

I know. But also people survived crazier shit.

Mostly through luck

[queen laurel]

Yeah but if we're assuming that it's clean through

Like a proper well place clean head shot

0%

[opaque coyote]

That's what I had in mind, but considering that the commissiar basically just quickly shot him

It could've ""merely"" exposed his brain matter

[queen laurel]

You said go through

[opaque coyote]

So not a clean shot

[queen laurel]

Literally through his skull to the other end

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know. Sorry for moving the goalpost

[queen laurel]

I'm not mad but just like

You said a bolt around that didn't explode went through someone's brain matter and splash it behind them

[opaque coyote]

I know it's a stupid fucking question, but ironically enough it's just me brainstorming a backstory

[opaque coyote]

And I know you basically just said "no" to a direct shot. So I'm wondering what...

Direction/How exact the headshot would be

[queen laurel]

When it certainly not the first suggested one

[opaque coyote]

Trye

[queen laurel]

straight giant bolt round to the head that didn't explode

[opaque coyote]

Cause the Commissar still needs to assume that he's dead

But out of ""luck"" he survived

Luck in quotations because he'd probably have severe brain damage to say the least

But still enough to... "Function". And by function I mean still be able to shoot a gun and follow orders.

Good enough for any guardsman.

He just wouldn't be able to talk.

...or remember a lot of things

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of something like this

[queen laurel]

If it's just that part and it's just a grazing shot

Then yeah he can definitely survive

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the Commissar was really lazy today

And obviously incompetent

[opaque coyote]

So I'm thinking that he just shot him. He got knocked out, commissar assumed he's either dead or gonna die from blood loss anyways

And then forced the others to charge against an Ork Horde

Because that's clearly the best way of dealing with them

[queen laurel]

that can work

[opaque coyote]

He wakes up after the whole fight. Another guardsman from another regiment was tasked with just collecting supplies from the dead.

Offers to bring him back because they always need more men.

Not remembering anything from his past life besides his short guardsman training and low gothic.

He joins in.

...and presumably also gets "proper" treatment to not get his head wound infected. Yadayadayada

[queen laurel]

@arctic talon https://youtu.be/1zMDwWH3dDs?si=WYUhupun9R6PRi9i

[opaque coyote]

Maybe a background convo of the doctors considering servitorizing him

[astral burrow]

Hi laati

[opaque coyote]

But then realizing that ironically enough the head wound makes things difficult. So he just joins.

[astral burrow]

Help me decide between smth

[opaque coyote]

Ok

Yeah sure

[opaque coyote]

Left

Has more aura

Imperial shit goes hard

Also a fan of black

[astral burrow]

What is with people and the empire smh

I like the tie pilot but

[opaque coyote]

Listen

The Empire looks cool

The rebel outfit always looked kinda dumb to me

And I get why, they're supposed to be less equipped

[astral burrow]

Set is old, and now the old tie pilot looks like shit to me

[astral burrow]

Wookie not cute?

And haven't you watched rogue one?

Tie also doesn't represent the real ship well

[opaque coyote]

Nw I have

Yeah it does look good at that movie

[astral burrow]

Rogue one rebels the best

[opaque coyote]

And I know that this was retconned to be the Alderaan outfit. But for better or worse, this is what I think of in terms of "rebel" outfit

[astral burrow]

This is what the actual ship is like

It is really not a good representation

[astral burrow]

They are on yavin 4 too, so

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's just my personal bias

[astral burrow]

It is more of a guard uniform

Not actual combat

[opaque coyote]

If there is one thing the Nazi's didn't fuck up. It's their fashion.

[astral burrow]

I like the hoth and endor ones

[opaque coyote]

... actually wait Stalingrad

Nvm they fucked up even on clothing

[opaque coyote]

The Empire is partially based on the Nazis

Obviously

And generally the aesthetic passed to them too

And you have to admit. Evil shit always looks cooler

[opaque coyote]

This also looks good though

Definitely goes back to the Vietcong inspiration

[astral burrow]

Cuz rogue one

It is literally space vientman

They had a chopper gunner

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's actually the same for the first 3 movies asw

The Rebels even before Rogue One were inspired by the Vietcong

[tough haven]

Grots will see you hit one of them with a neutron laser and go “Holy shit, where did Gorbaz go”

[astral burrow]

That's a literal M60

On the door of a drop ship

Absolute cinema

[tough haven]

Grots will see you charge headlong into battle and say “Dis git can’t afford a propa buggy!”

[opaque coyote]

Humans will see you hit one of them with a neutron laser and go "Holy shit, where did Bob go?"

Eldar will see you hit them with a neutron laser and go

"Are we written by Gav Thorpe again?"

[tough haven]

Grots will see you drive around in your flash trukk and say “Look at ‘im! Too weedy to run places!”

[opaque coyote]

"Orks will see you worship the practices of Karl Marx and be like "LOOK AT DIS GIT, HE'S SLOW AND YET USING RED!""

I still find it fucking funny that the Grots legit just have

A communist party

[astral burrow]

Wtf is a geot

Grot

[storm jungle]

Read the lexicanum.

[opaque coyote]

Gretchen/Grots

The 40k equivalent of Goblins

Often with the Orks and used as a slave race

[astral burrow]

Ew

[opaque coyote]

you

[opaque coyote]

40k fans when they are tasked with reading:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057186174696951890/1373473729757188147/robininsane.gif

[sly ivy]

how dare u

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[humble shoal]

Erebussy stabbed horus with his poop knife and gave blud ligma.

Even in death I make cringe.

[polar hill]

My honest reaction to that synopsis

[humble shoal]

And then big red magoo used his galaxy brain to try to like tell emperor that horus was trying to mog. But since he had -1000 aura he did it all sussy.

[polar hill]

I'm going to paint a single teardrop running down her face now

You did this

[humble shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-made-creator-stolen-gif-20229431

Real question is how cringe was it when horus tried to do the whip but he actually naenaed

(Into an orbital bombardment button over some planet called lisbon 3 or something )

[lofty mason]

Say, you're the POTUS and DOD informs you that a war ship from the Imperium is orbiting Earth right now, what would you, as the POTUS, do?

[humble shoal]

Depends

Does it look like this:

[lofty mason]

Let's say that's the ship. Would you surrender and give them what they want or try diplomacy with them (probably failed).

[humble shoal]

Diplomacy will do nothing

Giving them what they want will most likely result in mass servirotization

[lofty mason]

Not gonna lie, in this scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if nations start fighting against each other to be the first one to establish first contact with them

We're not as united as IoM.

[humble shoal]

This may end up slightly better, just random people getting kidnapped

[humble shoal]

You greatly overestimate how united the iom is

[polar hill]

Well not random people

They'd take our smartest and sturdiest and leave 95% of us behind

[lofty mason]

Overall, basically a net-negative making contact with them.

[humble shoal]

Wouldnt be me

Also serfs

These are fists, they need their pomp

[polar hill]

They'd make me a Marine, I'm built different

[humble shoal]

Are you under 10 yo?

If so you shouldnt be on discord

[polar hill]

Listen. If Lion and Lorgar's buddies could get some juicing then so can I

[humble shoal]

They dont do that no more

[polar hill]

Also this all ignoring their confusion at undertaking a pilgrimage to Terra and finding it temporally regressed to the third millennium

[humble shoal]

Yeah was being generous and ignoring that

And the fact that if the iom showed up, and it was the third millenium

We would have 100 shamans in a trench coat around

And the eternals I mean perpetuals

[polar hill]

It'd be like that meme of a time traveler going back to save Christ and He just says, "You shouldn't be here," but instead it's the Fists trying to prevent the development of AI and getting stopped by Big E

[lofty mason]

@humble shoal https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1gwxx1y/what_type_of_government_would_easily_accept_the/

This is very interesting

I suppose that any nation would "accept" IoM's offer to not be exterminatus'ed.

[humble shoal]

Exterminatus would not be in the best interests of the imperium

[polar hill]

Yeah Exterminatus isn't used to enforce compliance

[humble shoal]

I mean they would assumedly just install a one world govt

To make administration easier

[polar hill]

Imagine being the poor administrati who has to deal with that

[lofty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-shocked-speechless-gif-12607548

[humble shoal]

Not to mention the earth would probably be considered a non-contributing planet pretty easily

[lofty mason]

Back to the question, @humble shoal, what would you do as POTUS?

I would resign to not paint a target on my back for any IoM diplomats and let the VP handle this. At least, it's not my problem anymore. weeee. 😂

[humble shoal]

I would do my job as elected to do

And would probably be assasinated quickly

Or servitorized to send a message

[plush mason]

not much the POTUS could do really

[humble shoal]

Yeah options are either to abandon post, or not

Neither of them will end well

[plush mason]

and its doubtful any nation would go with what the US opted

and ofc the choices would be submit or die

[arctic talon]

It would probably be used for resource extraction or turned into an industrialized world tbh

[vagrant fox]

Throw every nuke at that ship

https://tenor.com/view/lord-gif-15153397299583870935

[humble shoal]

As potus, declaration of war should be done by the house.

[vagrant fox]

It's fine don't worry about it

[plush mason]

the war powers act removed that barrier sadly

[humble shoal]

Bold to assume we have enough bs space resources to be worth that industrialization

[plush mason]

congress can only say something after the fact

[lofty mason]

I can see two path to this:

1. They intercepted that nuke and where ever that nuke launched from get glassed.
2. They get hit from the nuke. Likely survived the blast and called the Astra Militarum to invade and capture the planet.
Neither of which, we win and escape with low casualties.

[humble shoal]

Smh

[arctic talon]

Industrialization is more likely then resource extraction tbh

Mostly since they can just dump shit to be made into stuff

[humble shoal]

And do what?

[arctic talon]

Idfk

Make shit

[humble shoal]

We have no prebuilt hives

[arctic talon]

That’s not an industrial world

Industrial worlds are dif from hive worlds

[vagrant fox]

Yeah it goes bad but I'm not willing to join the IoM under any circumstances

[arctic talon]

Diffrent level of production

[arctic talon]

Eating your own gun is preferable

Tbh