40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

^

its just a sham, its for "aesthetic" reasons

[arctic talon]

Mao would probably blow his fucking head off

If he saw China today

[storm jungle]

it makes them venerating him even funnier

[arctic talon]

China in its current state ironically aligns more with the vision of Chiang Kai Shek more then Mao

[paper haven]

Calling Tau communist, while fun to do, is inaccurate

Like most things that are fun

[arctic talon]

Xi Jin Ping is trying to push Han Chinese supremacy while venerating Mao

Mao was a Manchu

💀

[arctic talon]

It’s also like calling them fish

When they’re actually cows

[dapper gyro]

Communist by name, mostly because of the 1 party. However, they care a lot about their economy to be an actual communist state.

[radiant lance]

State capitalism is probably the better term
The golden share thing they do is very clearly a blending of the state seizing the means of production as well as capitalism

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s state capitalism

[dapper gyro]

Both Vietnam and China are communists, but they are very different from North Korea.

[arctic talon]

But they still call it “communism with Chinese characteristics”

[cinder pivot]

prostate capitalism if you will

[arctic talon]

Okay genuinely why the fuck are all the tau vehicles named after fish

Like

[celest willow]

The necrons are a monarchy right?

[arctic talon]

Feudal monarchy yeah

[near wasp]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Tombworlds have Royal courts/lords/overlords

[paper haven]

I think there's already a word for when all economic output is working directly with the state if not an extension of it

[arctic talon]

Dynasties have a Phaeron or Phaerakh

And then the silent king is in theory

In charge of all the dynasties

[storm jungle]

yeah necrons got like the most "basic" simple form of government

[near wasp]

It's like the hre

[paper haven]

Space Vietnam

[celest willow]

I mean the average necron citizen isn’t exactly celebrated for being a free thinker

[arctic talon]

How is this related to what I posted

Unironically lol

[storm jungle]

Idk uhhh

[near wasp]

Ewoks should be shot

[storm jungle]

china killing [insert group here]

[arctic talon]

You’re gona have to narrow it down

They’re doing it to two groups at least rn

💀

[paper haven]

China killing China

[cinder pivot]

bing killing

[arctic talon]

China Balkanized before the Balkans was a thing

[near wasp]

Millions dead in like every war

[arctic talon]

Big population moment

[storm jungle]

Millions?

More like billions

[paper haven]

Balkans can only manage several thousand a year. Rookies.

[arctic talon]

Also Necrons used to have a Mandate of Heaven

[dapper gyro]

They will claim a place as their, then kill people there while calling it "China kills chinese crimals".

[arctic talon]

But that doesn’t apply anymore

Lol

[celest willow]

I am a chud 🗣️
I am a incel 🗣️
Millions must die 🎸

[paper haven]

Alright. What the fuck is a chud?

[arctic talon]

Cave dwelling humanoid devourer

Iirc is the actual meaning

It’s just a general blanket insult for like

Incelly/racist behavior now

[celest willow]

Idiot

[storm jungle]

^ both of these

[paper haven]

Thank you

[celest willow]

Incel/idiot

[arctic talon]

Chudjak is based on a mass shooter

If you were wondering

[paper haven]

I keep hearing it, no idea what it . means

[storm jungle]

WOKE

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleepy-sleepy-eyes-so-sleepy-good-night-gif-16664401258023829878

[near wasp]

Woke me up inside

[storm jungle]

Woke up this morning

got myself some-

gabagool

[arctic talon]

WW2 was only like a hundred million

[paper haven]

I'd rather be asleep

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

same

[cinder pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gif-22166705

[paper haven]

Being awake is pain

[arctic talon]

Anyways Chaing Kai Shek is my favorite psychopathic Chinese dictator/hj

[celest willow]

Well time for the trilogy fellas

[paper haven]

An Lushan has to be mine

I'm sorry, Mao.

[arctic talon]

Most loyal Chinese warlord

The dude got betrayed and buried alive by his subordinates

When he tried to defect to Japan

[paper haven]

Least complicated chinese political intrigue

[arctic talon]

A true servent of the changer of ways

[storm jungle]

Stealing this for my 40k homebrew thing

[arctic talon]

China in WW2 was batshit insane

Because the civil war didn’t really stop

[paper haven]

It really would fit, huh?

[celest willow]

The Middle East post the Islamic golden age and Chinese history is genuinely crazy

[storm jungle]

Almost entirely yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

Also the Hui Muslisms hating the Uhygers’s spawned from WW2 as well

💀

Like beyond the whole “your version of Islam is wrong”

[paper haven]

They just. Really love hating each other

[arctic talon]

Look

Have you considered China is less a unified nation

And more 12+ countries in a trench coat

[paper haven]

I respect the dedication to their bit

[arctic talon]

China didn’t have a proper unified language

Till like the 1930’s

[paper haven]

China and Russia aren't really China and Russia. They're Beijing and Moscow plus the people they can force to follow them.

[arctic talon]

China can be broken up into 4 major big chunks excluding places like Hong Kong and Macau

[celest willow]

Am Muslims and yeah every branch seems to beef with the other for no reason

[paper haven]

And I know, you can boil pretty much every country down to that but in this case it is extremely egregious

[celest willow]

It is sad to see people from my religion act like children

[arctic talon]

Tbf the Hui hate the Uhygers because the Hui called for jihad against Japan. And then the Uhygers rebelled while Japan was invading

[paper haven]

Trust me, you're not alone there

[arctic talon]

And then so Hui troops got diverted to put down the rebellion

And then uh

Japan did what Japan does in WW2

Anyways that’s why the Hui hate the Uhygers

Beyond doctrinal reasons

[celest willow]

You know it is bad when your religious sermons start to remind you of war hammer 💀

[arctic talon]

What

[paper haven]

Being that Warhammer is supposed to be parody, yeah that would be bad

[celest willow]

Fr tho it is crazy how extremism is seen as the norm for most people nowadays religious or not

[late osprey]

people YEARN for a Good vs Evil worldview

[storm jungle]

It goes beyond ethnicity to be frank, speaking as a muslim myself; to sound like a redditor for a sec, its just basic human tribalism and territorial disputes, we here at Turkey get mad about any other middle-eastern refugees "ruining the country" while I go out to the street and see two of my countrymen stealing a kid's bike by using a chaincutter on its lock lol

[paper haven]

The people demand a demon to fight without actually putting themselves at risk

[late osprey]

exactly

[storm jungle]

(also largely entirely england's fault)

[paper haven]

Psyke!

[late osprey]

the idea of not having an ontological foe to rail against bothers a lot of people

[storm jungle]

the reality is

even if every human on the world looked the same

we'd find a reason to kill each other

it is what it is

[late osprey]

until real actual demons show up we'll be demonizing each other in various ways

[celest willow]

When in doubt blame the brits

[paper haven]

Fairly odd parents did an episode about that

[storm jungle]

"Lets just draw some maps on a line on this nation we never will step foot into, who gives a fuck really."

[storm jungle]

I love that one

up there with the men/women seperated by a giant wall episode

[arctic talon]

Blob

[paper haven]

Psyke: "Prank 'em Picot."
Picot: "You already know."

[arctic talon]

The greyest blob

Humans love finding reasons to kill each other

Especially arbitrary ones

[paper haven]

In fact, they will choose arbitrary over genuine

[storm jungle]

Real.

[late osprey]

nothing else is interesting enough to make the legions of satan out of, unfortunately

[arctic talon]

Ngl the Mongols could be blamed for destabilizing the Middle East leaving it vulnerable to further destabilization

If you think about it

[paper haven]

When the actual legions of Satan come, some will try to defend it

[arctic talon]

They pretty much destroyed and centralized government present there

[late osprey]

"well at least they're not [Actual group of human beings]"

[paper haven]

"At least they're honest about it"

[raven stone]

I mean depends on how monstrous and demonic they are lol

Like I ain’t gon be friends with a demon that is actively wanting to eat my body and my soul

[paper haven]

Didn't that sort of happen with trench crusade? Where people came out saying they were demonizing the demons?

[late osprey]

i do think evil exists, i just think people go so far that they basically become crusaders of their worldview, attacking and demonizing other individuals

[arctic talon]

No

[paper haven]

Damn, that would have been hilarious

[arctic talon]

It was because the world map showed the hell aligned people in Africa and the Middle East, and people ignored the whole, the hell aligned people literally invaded and colonized large chunks of Africa thing

[paper haven]

Yada yada eurocentric, yada yada.

[arctic talon]

We are getting rules for Mali

Eventually

[celest willow]

Ooh I love trench crusade mostly cause it is Grimm dark but it isn’t the WH40k RAGH EVERYONE EVIL

[paper haven]

Considering it's basically world war 1 but demons, that sorta makes sense

[arctic talon]

Trench crusade is very diffrent

[late osprey]

ethiopians are apparently really strong

[arctic talon]

They are in lore

They don’t have rules

[late osprey]

and in history

ethiopians? they have rules

[arctic talon]

But they pretty much crushed hell

Do they?

Where

[astral burrow]

Nighty night

[late osprey]

in the main game

[arctic talon]

Gn

[late osprey]

or book or whatever

[arctic talon]

Wait what

[late osprey]

they're a subfaction of NA

[arctic talon]

How the fuck did I

Oh

Yeah that makes sense

I thought they were their own faction ngl

[late osprey]

im waiting on the british subfaction tbh

its apparently gonna be super ranged PA-heavy

or at least PA-heavy, but hopefully ranged

[arctic talon]

Anyways the crusaders ruining everything in trench crusade is accurate

Considering how the crusaders acted irl

Good job opening a portal to hell

[paper haven]

They had the best intentions, I am sure

[arctic talon]

(They in fact did not)

The funny thunder dome

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/shocker-shocked-futurama-im-shocked-gif-5296191

[arctic talon]

Also I just noticed, why is the Kaaba floating and on fire

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/supertroopers-little-guy-wouldnt-worry-gif-17147609

[late osprey]

crusaders casually eating people IRL

[arctic talon]

I do like how the argument from scholars at the time wasn’t if crusaders ate people or not

It was if they did it for food or did it for fun

(It was for fun mostly ended up being the consensus back then and now)

[late osprey]

yeah LOL

[celest willow]

What are you talking about?

[languid meadow]

there are historical reports from the time of crusaders eating people

[arctic talon]

The crusaders ate people

As in cannibalism

The argument between the scholars recording this back then wasn’t if cannibalism happened

[celest willow]

ok am co fused trench crusade or irl medieval crusaders?

[arctic talon]

If it was if the crusaders were doing it for fun or not

Irl ones

The crusaders in trench crusade did it as well

Granted

[celest willow]

Bro what 💀

[vagrant fox]

Crusaders were just funny little guys out for a romp

[celest willow]

First time I hear of Christian crusades practicing cannibalism

[late osprey]

yeah the 1st crusaders were basically like Norscans

[polar hill]

Reminder that when people talk about crusaders eating people, they're talking about the People's Crusade(Peter the Hermit's rabble), not the First Crusade(the Papally organized military operation)

[storm jungle]

People's Crusade

oof

kinda ironic naming i guess 💀

[polar hill]

Wikl explain more in a bit doing 50th Pox Gas mission

[celest willow]

Yummers

[late osprey]

no they're not

the people's crusade never got past anatolia, the descriptions of cannibalism are all the way up to the siege of jerusalem itself

[polar hill]

Lookup the Tafurs

[late osprey]

the people's crusade was never at the siege of antioch

[crystal forum]

europeans inventing more excuses to die for no reason

[polar hill]

Back, 50/50 Pox Gas missions finally complete

[polar hill]

Anyway. No, there aren't reports of cannibalism during the Siege of Jerusalem by the professional soldiers of the First Crusade - unless you're talking about Mary the Cannibal, who ate her baby - in 70 AD. Actual crusader cannibalism claims are centered around the Tafurs of the People's Crusade at the Siege of Ma'arra

Just do yourself a favor and look the Tafurs up lol

Instead of just "nuh-uh"ing, ya know?

[opaque coyote]

Speaking of eating people...

I have had the idea of like

A planet of T'au vs Imperium remnants

Basically the Imperium already abandoned the planet, leaving some remnants still fighting

And I always thought making a short story about the remnant perspective would be interesting

[late osprey]

what do you think i'm talking about?

[opaque coyote]

...and the reason why this tangent is related is because I kinda imagine them being so resource starved

well

They'll begin eating the dead

[late osprey]

you said it was the people's crusade, that is demonstrably false

the incidents of the tafurs don't correlate with the people's crusade at all

[celest willow]

I wonder what the tau taste like

[opaque coyote]

The Siege of Ma'arra in 1098 from the First Crusade was I think infamous for the widespread cannibalism

[late osprey]

yes

[celest willow]

Am guessing they would either taste like
1.blue berry
2.fish
3.sour

[opaque coyote]

With "nearly a dozen Christian chronicles written during the twenty years after the Crusade, all of which are based at least to some degree on eyewitness accounts."

[polar hill]

They were literally started by a knight who was part of the People's Crusade ye obtuse goose

[late osprey]

that isn't what you said

[opaque coyote]

I think the Knight was actually from Pope Urban II's formation and not Peter the Hermit's.

[polar hill]

It is. And it is what I prompted you to look up

[opaque coyote]

This is generally the result I got when I looked it up

[late osprey]

it's not being obtuse, it's factually incorrect to blame "the peasants" for accounts at a battle that the People's Crusade was never apart of

[opaque coyote]

No matter what, the First Crusade in general would've had a lot of cannibalism due to the amount of Sieges

And when food runs low, and production is zero

People usually start to look at each other as meat

Especially when they're severely desperate

[late osprey]

the first crusade infamously was poorly planned, but there are specific accounts attested to

rather than just logical inference

[opaque coyote]

Sieges are infamous in general of cannibalism.

[polar hill]

It's not. They were one of the many different mobs that made up the People's Crusade. They're part of the People's Crusade by extension. It's disingenuous to pin the deeds of a broke mob onto the actual, professional First Crusade army that actually had supplies and a clue as to what they were doing, especially if you're going to make up reports of cannibalism at Jerusalem

[opaque coyote]

True. I think Ma'arra is the only one where it's confirmed. Antoich is highly debated though.

Although for Ma'arra specifically, it was an army lead by a Knight from the Pope's retinue rather than the Hermit. So it was the professionals that ate the muslims.

Not that it matters too much anyways.

It's still an example of human cruelty no matter who did it.

[late osprey]

except it's actually known factually that the crusader army, at ma'arra, engaged in cannibalism; the matter of whether it was specifically the tafurs or not is still in debate

[polar hill]

They weren't, though. Please look up the Tafurs instead of making assumptions. The only "professional" among them was the one knight himself, and he didn't even have a horse. The Tafurs themselves were impoverished vagrants

[polar hill]

"Everyone agreed about the Tafurs, yeah I'm talking about the Tafurs! Um, actually it isn't confirmed that it was the Tafurs..."

Please stop contradicting yourself and just leave it be at this point lol

[late osprey]

idiotic thing to say

[polar hill]

You'd know lol

[late osprey]

sorry your Based Wholesome Crusaderinos traded in human flesh lol

[polar hill]

You're the one who's been making claims and moving goalposts

[late osprey]

Jay Rubenstein, one of the predominant historians on the subject, himself is in critique to the extent of the Tafurs

[polar hill]

One guy

Wow

So much for that contemporary historian consensus you were touting

[late osprey]

do you know what a historian is...?

[polar hill]

Again. Just stop digging

You clearly don't

[late osprey]

not an answer

maybe do more research on the matter!

Zoomer Historian isn't the best source on the Crusades

[polar hill]

A historian records history. You were touting the consensus of historians of the time corroborating the cannibalism of the Tafurs. Please stop embarrassing yourself with pedantry

[late osprey]

yes, and jay rubenstein is a historian, who specifically worked on this particular subject

how about this

you show me YOUR source on the matter likewise

[polar hill]

One random guy born a thousand years after the fact is not better than disparate corroborating contemporary sources, nor is one random guy a compelling appeal to authority. Since you seem too worked up to stop moving goalposts, I'm going to be productive instead of talking to a brick wall

Go calm down

[late osprey]

historian is an appeal to authority on history

vtel i...

[winter vessel]

just came back from watching Ballerina, the spin off is pretty good

[opaque coyote]

Apparently the People's Crusade happened BEFORE the professional First Crusade, and the Tafurs weren't a part of the inital crowd of people in the people's crusade. Which, in this context, the People's Crusade is considered of the army that was spiritually lead by Peter the Hermit.

The Tafurs apparently followed along when the crusade proper was begun instead of the people's crusade. Which technically "ended" before events such as the Siege of Ma'arra ever happened. Which means that the Tafurs were technically part of the First Crusade and not the People's one, since there was no evidence of them ever being part of Peter the Hermit's makeshift army.

That's my late peace and with that I will leave

See ya'll in like an hour or two or something

[paper haven]

More crusades talk?

[sly ivy]

Love this chat, again. lol.

Just you never know what it’s gonna be

[sacred ginkgo]

No theres a set list of topics they have to hit per interval

[polar hill]

We're doing theology and socioeconomics next week

Then biscuit recipes before the Arbites releases

Don't ask how we get there

[sacred ginkgo]

Its guns, taste in women, politics somewhere, starwars, and some stuff I am probably missing

[sly ivy]

It’s all weirdly wholesome

Despite everyone’s yelling at each other all the time

[livid junco]

okay so i'm more or less a "tourist" when it comes to 40k lore. But i like to write and I've had in my head this idea of some zealot adjacent nobody who, through a WHOLE lot of sheer luck manages to survive some horror planetside, thanks majorly to the presence of a Space Marine chapter on the same planet.

I like the idea that, however it occurred, they are now carrying the blade of a space marine and have made it their duty to carry it back to it's owner. Given my comparably limited understanding I see a handful of problems with this, the least of such being the weirdly conflicting accounts of who is allowed to even know about space marines, chaos, ect without being essentially executed by The Inquisition.

My question boils down to, how likely would this be in the setting? I know some wild stuff happens but I'm not sure how much is actually true to the setting and how much is "lol memes"

[sly ivy]

This is a totally plausible setup

Space Marines are rare af but are common knowledge

Good for morale

Known as the Emperor’s angels

The only secret ones are the grey knights

Oh and the bad ones

Conflicting sources re who can know about chaos. People are aware there are Bad Things and the Emperor Protects

[outer wave]

You referring to CSM or specific chapters like Minotaurs?

[polar hill]

CSM

[outer wave]

Gotcha

[sly ivy]

But knowing the details or having witnessed something is probably a good recipe for a lil visit from someone you don’t want to see

[livid junco]

yea I've heard a few things relating to the grey knights, and as for loyalist chapters, stories i've heard make the Salamanders the kneejerk reaction for the "better" ending for someone trying to return such a blade lol. Other chapters seem like it's a bit iffy as to if the person even survives returning it lol

[sly ivy]

Most loyalist chapters are pretty reasonable.

Some may look down on mortals but they have them as thralls and ship crew

[polar hill]

9 times out of 10, your character will be fine with any Loyalist Chapter, even the ones people may consider extreme

[outer wave]

Some loyalist chapters aren't incredibly nice to humans though (Iron Hands come to mind)

[sly ivy]

They have to interact with them to source more marine candidates

They may not be nice to the baseline human but they’re not gonna hurt him.

Much.

[polar hill]

And a baseline human going out of his way to simply return an Angel's weapon is bound to get any Marine's respect tbh

[sly ivy]

But it’s a good premise because it’s like a pilgrimage to a holy place

To find one of His angels

[livid junco]

but yea like, I really enjoy the psuedo-absurdist logic behind the stories in the setting of "normal" people doing seemingly supernatural things through sheer faith. So like, I'm REALLY loving the idea of this absolute nobody only able to survive searching for the chapter because the blade essentially pulls some kind of psuedo darktide zealot aura thing when it's unwrapped lol.

[sly ivy]

And marines have a strong sense of honor and an attachment to their stuff

[arctic talon]

the only chapter I wouldn't bother trying to return something to is the marines malevolent

because we've seen what they do to people who touch their stuff

Mutilation

[sly ivy]

Another thing is that almost all humans in 40K have a small amount of warp presence or psychic ability

Plus there’s the gestalt field that faith creates

So ordinary people can perform or partake in miracles

[outer wave]

Thought you were going to say mutation, since that's the chapter with a spider legged space marine, right?

[sly ivy]

From time to time.

[arctic talon]

Nah

Marines malevolent are just the asshole marines

they're extremely good at what they do

they're just massive pieces of shit and alienate everyone

which makes them fun

[outer wave]

Being assholes

[arctic talon]

well

doing marine stuff

but yes also that

[sly ivy]

Or at least it can be ambiguous whether something amazing they did might actually have used a whisp of their own power or a borrowed ember from Him on Terra.

[outer wave]

[arctic talon]

imagine being such a prick you get punched in the face by another chapter master

[outer wave]

The Asshole Geneseed

[livid junco]

I guess it really depends on what you mean by "Assholes" cause like, for most people apparantly even loyalist chapters are EXTREMELY abrasive at the best of times

lol

i mean like

[outer wave]

I'm not too familiar with that chapter

[livid junco]

comparedto the average human

[sly ivy]

This is true malevolent marine progenoids are stored in the butt

(It’s the prostate)

[late osprey]

marines have essentially a Barbarian's mindset where they don't respect anyone they don't perceive as being some manner of worthy warrior

[outer wave]

It's a stick shaped organ that gets shoved up the ass

[late osprey]

the occasional human that demonstrates themselves to be a certified badass often has incidents of them being accepted by the marines

[livid junco]

no that's just part of the armor.

[late osprey]

what makes marines malevolent special is, well, their malevolence

[sly ivy]

They’re transhuman. Think faster, better, more efficiently. But they’re specialized instruments.

[polar hill]

... Buttplug culet...

[sly ivy]

I always think of the blood angels thing where they like make their little paintings and the ultramarines thing where they rule their little kingdoms as sort of sad and quaint.

Marionettes pretending to be real boys

[late osprey]

the ultramarines are sort of the odd one out, by and large space marine philosophies don't make any pretense to being people

they gladly call themselves weapons built for a singular purpose

in fact they'd consider it a compliment

[sly ivy]

They’re a great concept. 40K is full of great narrative concepts.

[livid junco]

but yea i'm not solid on any details given my glorified "tourist" status, but as just a little fun writing stuff it's been kinda neat thinking about how this kind of story would go. Like, just the number of hurdles this person would have to go through not just to find the marines to return the blade, but get the blade past any obstacles that would inevitably rise to meet it.

[sly ivy]

Who cares if they’re liberally borrowed. So is everything.

[sly ivy]

This truly could easily be a black library novella

It’s a good read on the feel of the universe.

[late osprey]

some interesting avenues would be the sorts of people trying to get their hands on such a weapon, either for their own use as wargear or for private collections

dealing with Rogue Traders, Planetary Governors, etc etc

[polar hill]

Not necessarily true; bear in mind that most Chapters are sons of Guilliman

[outer wave]

Perfectly fine to be new to the hobby, no need to label yourself a "tourist". Welcome by the way!

[late osprey]

a power sword forged for space marine hands may as well be utterly priceless

[sly ivy]

How about the ecclesiarchy??!

An angel’s flaming sword from on high

In your own humble church

Imagine the pilgrims

Imagine how many overpriced indulgences you’ll sell

[livid junco]

fam this setting has lore older than I am lmfao, I am perfectly fine with labeling myself as noticably ignorant to a lot of things lol

[late osprey]

the ultramarines are unique in their kingdom-building specifically, even most ultramarine-descendent chapters are of the hardcore "RAHH WE JUST WANT TO KILL" variety

[late osprey]

yeah exactly

and this protag is walkign around with it refusing to sell it

send some zealous mercs after him

[outer wave]

Everyone starts that way though. It's also got lore older than me, and I consider myself kinda old

[opaque coyote]

Plausible. People in real life have done crazier shit

[sly ivy]

I think it should be an intra-imperium drama

Those are always the most interesting anyway

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact. One regular man and a mechanic literally drove a car across the USA for a bet. In the 1920s.

[late osprey]

even among space marines, power swords are not ubiquitous

i could see the chapter appreciating its return

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines Power swords are generally heavier though

And bigger

[late osprey]

or an asshole chapter like minotaurs trying to just steal it

[opaque coyote]

Gotta fit those trans-human hands

[late osprey]

i'm just talking about the rarity

[opaque coyote]

Yeah ik

SM power swords are probably specifically rarer as a result though.

[livid junco]

also i suddenly am struck by the image of them finding a Space Marine Chapter, but not the right one. and it's just this image in my head of the marine looking down at them and essentially just seeing this staring up at them and asking for directions.

[late osprey]

i think they'd be next to priceless in the wider Imperium

[opaque coyote]

That Zealot would probably have to fight a lot of MFS trying to get a hold of it

[polar hill]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[opaque coyote]

To either sell it

Use it for their own.

Or shit on it if they're Plague Marines that really want a laugh

[outer wave]

The Blood Angel, deciding to lead the civilian away from the rest for a quick snack

[livid junco]

loool

[opaque coyote]

"Holy shit. Free Horus."

Minecraft eating sfx

[late osprey]

the main question would be how the char would do space travel

it works more like Dune than Star Wars in that it's very prohibitive to travel off-world

only the fabulously powerful can do it regularly

[opaque coyote]

Could be picked up by the Inquisition. They're the last survivor of some crazy Planetside shit. And depending on whatever they went through.

They'll either be executed or join an Inquistor's retinue for their valuable experience.

[outer wave]

"Horus!! Thine crimes hast gone uncommitted for far too long! It's time to end this!"

Bites into serf burger, made of serf

[late osprey]

maybe, but then they couldn't do their quest

[median star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136292421211258932/1381474486431387780/warhammer-40k-iron-within.gif?ex=6847a5e0&is=68465460&hm=f77725dfbc17467b511a3db07421c436bc86fe64ead133f81d58a751d7f948f8&

[late osprey]

maybe the protag stows away on a ship, or joins a crew bound for where they think the space marines are

[opaque coyote]

True, but due to being a Zealot they could ask.

"Hey, I help you, as long as you can help me bring this sword back."

And the pitstops along the way are generally Inquistor shit.

[late osprey]

it's not inconceivable

[polar hill]

A Dark Angel, a Blood Angel, a Blood Raven, and a mortal merchant walk into a bar. Can the Dark Angel interrogate the merchant before the Blood Angel exsanguinates him, and can the Blood Raven rob the merchant before the other two notice he's there?

[opaque coyote]

Either that or like you said.

Stowaway on a ship.

[outer wave]

Yes.

[livid junco]

yea that's my main thing, the best i could imagine for them is them catching the eye of some Inquisitor adjacent figure who actually sees the merit in the goal they're trying to accomplish. Like seriously, not only them surviving a planet that needed space marine suppourt, but also somehow surviving a battle that a space marine lost their weapon in? I could definitely see some figures seeing that whole series of events as either a task bestowed by the Emperor, or just violently heretical

[opaque coyote]

Trick question.

The Marine's malevolent already killed him and his family for being in the way of his drink.

[late osprey]

powerful figures in the ecclesiarchy regularly make such radical interpretations, so it's not out of bounds at all

an ecclesiastical sponsor could get them a ship to wherever they're trying to go, which could include all the political intrigue that follows

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I could imagine that. Along with the fact that those that survive any sort of Chaos invasion (if you choose Chaos). Are either

A) added to a retinue for their skill and experience (after some torture)

B) executed posthaste for taint

[late osprey]

people are let be after chaos invasions all the time

[livid junco]

i've also heard of c) A followed by B

[late osprey]

it seems to be highly situational if they want to purge you or not

[opaque coyote]

Generally if you're a random guardsman.

Nobody will miss you.

Except your family, spouse

Friends

But who cares about them

[late osprey]

they didn't liquidate the Vraks participants, for example, and there's quite a few other examples as well

[opaque coyote]

I guess it's a dice roll

Idk maybe a grey knight feels especially grumpy

[late osprey]

the Armageddon Genocide was a special case because

1. The Grey Knights appeared
2. Angron was there

both of those were specifically huge secrets

[opaque coyote]

Or if it's pre-cadia

[late osprey]

but the Inquisition generally does not just exterminate planets after fighting chaos

[opaque coyote]

But even then it's more of a higher chance if pre-Cadia

[late osprey]

otherwise the Space Wolves wouldn't have been so shocked when it did happen

[opaque coyote]

Thank you for explaining.

Yeah I guess you're likely to just be let off the hook

[late osprey]

if you're just some guy who survived the battlefield, as long as you didn't see anything SPECIFICALLY highly classified

[opaque coyote]

I guess them surviving with an SM sword would be a point to them if anything

• Faithful
• Fulfilling one of the Angel's last requests
• Can fight

[livid junco]

but yes, damn now this is turning into a full blown character lmao. I have a wallet upsetting problem with buying commissions for characters like this so if it develops into something visual I'll definitely show the results lol.

Side question, i know there are like, different "Brands" of space marine, not chapters persay, but like, some are bigger than others for whatever reasoning? Obvously that will heavily affect the size of the blade so what would realistically be the size of the weapon compared to the average human?

[median star]

even then if youre good at what you do potentially be wisked away

[opaque coyote]

There are some exceptions. But generally there are two types for the loyalist side

First Born and Primaris

[late osprey]

there are too many people at these battlefields to Disappear without a massive effort like Armageddon

so of all the chaos conflicts, Armageddon is, to my knowledge, the only instance of something of that scale happening

[opaque coyote]

Primaris are generally bigger, newer, with more advanced equipment. Along with a couple of new organs.

First Born are generally the generic SMs throughout most of the Imperium

[late osprey]

firstborn are getting phased out, for the most part

[opaque coyote]

There are also Dreadnoughts.

Basically when a Space Marine is too injured to fully repair. Place em in a life support box with guns

[late osprey]

and their gear is getting adjusted to fit primaris

it's described as "a process" but you'll basically never see a GW product depict space marines as firstborn ever again

[opaque coyote]

Usually highly venerated due to their experience. But it absolutely sucks being one.

[median star]

unless youre an ironhand

[late osprey]

do ironhand dreadnoughts have a better time?

[paper haven]

Iron hands crave the forever box

They yearn for the strength and certainty of steel

[opaque coyote]

I think their equipment is generally more advanced

But I just think they're more used to it due to a proper Iron Hand already replacing most of their limbs with tech anyways

Also I think some Iron Hand dreadnoughts are just outright turned into goo in a box

Silica Aminus

[paper haven]

I've never seen this but I suspect a sufficiently cybernetic space marine can just be hardwired into a dreadnaught chasis

[arctic talon]

There's an iron hand dreadnought that is silica animus

[livid junco]

Soylant Space Marine

[arctic talon]

At least one

there's a lot of tech heresy going on with the iron hands lol

the keys of hel gave them some funny stuff

[paper haven]

You know, what with all the cybernetic zombies and what have you

[arctic talon]

Look, they're just called Helfathers

there's no evidence they're actually zombies

[opaque coyote]

To summarize the Iron Hands.

"I need to replace my balls with metal."

[arctic talon]

aside from the fact they only groan in pain

and aren't allowed off world

[paper haven]

Check their pulse

[arctic talon]

and never take off their helmets

and don't have souls

[livid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ironman-tony-stark-forge-gif-10677756

[arctic talon]

don't worry about it

they're completely normal Iron Hands

[paper haven]

Then ask a psyker to look at them

[sly ivy]

Wait r we talking about 40K or real life

[arctic talon]

They explictly don't have souls

lmao

[paper haven]

Without dying

[opaque coyote]

+1 over the Thousand Sons. At least they can groan in agony

[opaque coyote]

40k

[paper haven]

It turns out you can replace the soul with cybernetics too. Who knew?

[paper haven]

All is dust.

[dapper gyro]

Pretty much all SM 1st foundings have some "heresy" tech.

[arctic talon]

I'm pretty sure its because they're like

actually fucking dead

[opaque coyote]

Dark Angels got a whole storage

[arctic talon]

and its just an animated corpse

lol

I feel like thats the implication with the whole "no soul" thing

[paper haven]

Servitors without the personality

[arctic talon]

Servitors still have souls

which is horrifying

[opaque coyote]

Servitors have no personality. At least outwardly

[dapper gyro]

All of Vulkan are heresy if it not for the fact Vulkan made them with tech supplied by big E.

[paper haven]

That- that's the joke

[arctic talon]

Imperial Fists don't have much weird going on

same with UM tbh

BA have some fucked up stuff locked away + refuse to share an STC for an engine

DA are uh DA

[opaque coyote]

UM are the poster boys

Imperial Fists are similar to their Primarch.

Blunt, competent, and kinda boring.

[arctic talon]

Salamanders have all of vulkans weird shit

IH have a lot of weird shit

Space Wolves don't do any tech heresy

aside from that time they fucked with a Predator

[dapper gyro]

IF has the god damn fortress, which, if not for the procession since the 30k, would also be heresy.

[arctic talon]

to glue more las cannons on

[paper haven]

Servitors despite all outward appearance, have souls and personalities.
Helfathers do not

[arctic talon]

its not tech heresy

[median star]

it can kind of be seen as if youv ever played cyberpunk the engram tech where they kind of just port w dead marines thoughts and experience into a dreadnaught

[arctic talon]

I'm talking about like actual sussy shit

lol

that is probably doing something bad

[opaque coyote]

And the funniest part is that the Helfathers are actually less worse than Servitors

[dapper gyro]

It has a portal to the warp on the ship as well.

[arctic talon]

okay see

thats the sussy stuff

I forgot it had that

the blood angels have bolters that fire perfectly

as long as you sacrifice 100 innocent people to it lol

also it makes you go insane

[paper haven]

Being a servitors really, really sucks

[arctic talon]

Understatement

tbh

your soul is trapped

[dapper gyro]

IF also has the golden throne, which is as bad as the fortress...

[sacred ginkgo]

Free trial of hell

[arctic talon]

they do not

what

[opaque coyote]

Why do Servitors literally trap the person's soul. Is it cause they're technically still alive?

[arctic talon]

Golden Throne isn't related to them at all

[arctic talon]

Yeah

lol

you're not dead

[median star]

whoopsy forgot to properly lobotomize the servitor

[arctic talon]

you're just lobotomized

[livid junco]

are there any details on the actual dimensions of the average SM Power Sword?

[arctic talon]

even if you're properly lobotomized that doesn't remove the soul

[livid junco]

cause I can't exactly find anything specifically

[opaque coyote]

Ah.

Genuinely wonder how the brain influences the soul.

[sacred ginkgo]

Large™️

[opaque coyote]

But then again that's for other things

[livid junco]

lool

[sacred ginkgo]

Just call it greatsword sized (to a human)

[dapper gyro]

Didn't Dorn and IF built it? And IF has to maintain it, hence it is one of their fortresses/homeworld as well.

[arctic talon]

no\

what

the Golden throne was built by the Emperor + Imperial household + mechanicum

[median star]

the golden throne was kind just found

[arctic talon]

well that also

but the current stuff built on top of what they found

was built by those 3 groups

The Imperial household and adeptus mechanicus try their best to maintain the throne

the parts they know how to maintain

[livid junco]

I only ask becase if I get to do what I want to, I just want to know just how MUCH of the character's visual identity carrying the sword would be. Like, obviously in the vast majority of cases they aren't ever actually able to "weild" it. But there is somewhat of a difference between "human" greatsword, and what is essentially a fantasy longsword scaled up to the dimensions of a "greatsword"

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh they could probably wield it

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah marine power swords aren't that big

a normal human can use them

[median star]

also their was the black glass station i think it was called that was like a pseudo golden throne in function it got blown up

[sacred ginkgo]

It'd be oversized but rule of cool is 90% of this setting

[livid junco]

lool fair

[arctic talon]

that was a wierd white scars thing

[opaque coyote]

Like most things about scale in 40k. It's either not explained or extremely incorrect. For the SM power swords, it's the latter with the size depending on the time of cool.

However, generally it's around half as long as a Primaris SM for figurines. Primaris SMs are estimated to be about 8 feet.

So 4 feet in length at least. Or just half the size of the SM if the 8 feet thing is incorrect.

[arctic talon]

there's another like

glass throne

;sm

which is another whole thing

[opaque coyote]

Thickness and wideness is up to you

[arctic talon]

the standard pattern is like

[sacred ginkgo]

Just do it like cloud where they can magically wield a sword taller than they are and half as wide

[arctic talon]

Most power swords in 40k are like

a one handed weapon

[median star]

it could really be however big or small youd want it with the excuse of "erm an artificer made its special one of a kind"

[arctic talon]

you can use 2 hands but you won't have issues 1 handing it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but this is a regular human wielding an SM made Power Sword

So they're probably two handing it

[arctic talon]

then yeah probably 2 hands

but its not gona be lik

*like

huge

[opaque coyote]

Probably equivalent to like a Zweihander

[arctic talon]

not really

lol

def not that big

[opaque coyote]

Dang

Would be really cool though

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

just say its that way

[opaque coyote]

Probably a claymore

Then

[arctic talon]

but the average marine power sword is like

half the height of a marine for the whole thing

at most

[median star]

most sm power swords that are 2h can also be used 1h if need be

[opaque coyote]

Ayy that's what I said

[arctic talon]

Yeah, most 40k melee weapons are one handable lol

because uh

PLASTIC

[opaque coyote]

Also pair with gun

Hes

[arctic talon]

yes

asmodai has a giant fuck off greatsword lol

thats probably one of the largest marine power weapons

GW has ever done

the ICC ones are pretty big as well actually

[livid junco]

loool, I'm just like, getting this vibe of not just "carrying" a big sword, but they've wrapped it up, have managed to get purity seals and such for the wrapping. Like, they are utterly terrified of anything "getting" to the weapon. So visually it's less of a sword and more a big, sword shaped t h i n g.

Because i really do enjoy the sort of "religious" view of SM, so this perception of the weapon as something that is vulnerable while seperated from it's owner, even if it's untrue, definitely seems like a thought that would pass through their mind.

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah that would be really cool

[median star]

tactical incense burners for aura farming

[arctic talon]

have you seen what uh Cyphers blade looks like, could base it on that art wise

since he keeps the thing wrapped up all the time

nvm

its not wrapped up

I thought it was for some reason

its just sheathed

[sacred ginkgo]

Scabard built into the backpack is really neat

Even if they can't draw it ever

[arctic talon]

I mean thats the point

it isn't his sword

[livid junco]

yea i saw that one, looking up stuff as visual inspiration. weirdly difficult to find cloth wrapped swords tbh. at least ones that still retain the shape of a sword and not "oval"

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also machine spirits are a thing. So you could have it religiously whisper to the Zealot if you want.

With it being ambiguous whether it's the actual machine spirit, or just the Zealot being coocoo

[arctic talon]

Yeah def

hm

I have like

an image of it in my head but I don't know where its from

[opaque coyote]

Although I wonder how are Power Swords like activated?

[livid junco]

I definitely need to look up more stuff regarding Machine Spirits lol, because I do like that idea, like the sword guiding it is part of the reason they've been able to "oopsie" their way into the right people to get where they're going

[livid junco]

a button near the hilt if what i've read is correct

[late osprey]

even if the length isn't absurd, the weighting for a space marine-designed power sword is going to be very off for a human, leading to a much clumsier handling than a human-designed relic blade for example

which gives me vibes of like

the leper from darkest dungeon

[arctic talon]

button

[polar hill]

Yeah it's just a button, lightsaber style

[late osprey]

where it's like the weapon is moving you as much as you're moving it almost lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Leper wields an executioners sword, which isn't meant to actually fight people with
It is however extremely thematic for what he used it for

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/drakest-dugeon-slash-critical-gif-16553651

[opaque coyote]

Nah it's still used for it's purpose.

It's just that now the executions are immediate.

[late osprey]

yeah because of how it was weighted, iirc significantly heavier than a normal sword

[opaque coyote]

I agree that I can imagine an SM sword being awfully heavy even for its length

[livid junco]

i really do love the visual of characters using a blade in that way. Like, the most they can hope for is aiming it in a general direction, and the force of the swing comes less from them and more just the effect of gravity lol

[late osprey]

weight alone yeah, but WEIGHTING in terms of how it's balanced is also a matter that would make it difficult to wield

[sacred ginkgo]

It also doesn't have a point

[late osprey]

definitely not the sword of thing someone is fighting wtih elegantly, probably

[arctic talon]

ngl

the funniest fucking thing is, the Lepers sword had a tip originally

which feels incredibly cursed

[opaque coyote]

Another example of somebody using an executioner sword is Gael from Dark Souls 3

https://tenor.com/view/slave-knight-gael-dark-souls3-ringed-city-gif-24181378

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh shit it did I hate that

[arctic talon]

tbf he broke it beating his advisors to death with it lol

which goes hard as fuck

[arctic talon]

its so fucking cursed lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Leper is the only one with a "good" backstory

[opaque coyote]

My theory is that originally it was a decorative sword.

[livid junco]

yea the leper definitely doesn't actually use an actual executioner's sword. the tip is noticably jagged and broken off, it's all half busted like the rest of their gear

[arctic talon]

its why he's facing towards the light tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

He's got 0 shame in his past lol

[sacred ginkgo]

I love that detail

Its one of my favorite small bits in dd2

[opaque coyote]

I got whiplash from going from the Leper's backstory to the fucking Vestal's.

In a YouTube comp video

Going from this tragic but ultimately inspiring story ro

"god damn this shit is hot"

fire goes out

"oh sh-"

[arctic talon]

aura based setting

[opaque coyote]

I like how the Flagellant literally has a sickly green light. He has no light or shame.

He just loves punishment

[sacred ginkgo]

Leper is just a vibe in general

[queen laurel]

I love the entire back story for this guy can be summarized that he was an arrogant commander that thought battle was easy and then decided to atone for it he became basically a free guild marshall that is strong enough to challenge a chaos chosen

[arctic talon]

funniest fucking melt down

I do love how he has his own meltdown

[livid junco]

the stealth vet when they die after pulling everything three rooms ahead of the group

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact. Whenever a Flagellant appears in a character's backstory. That's him.

Man literally beat up death to stay in the game

[arctic talon]

REAL

[opaque coyote]

So much of a masochist he got no flesh left

[sly ivy]

There need to be more ecclesiarchy books

[opaque coyote]

Bro is freaky to say the least

[arctic talon]

He looks freakier in 1 lol

because he's still mostly human

[opaque coyote]

I like the idea that he literally whipped himself so much that he has no flesh anymore

[queen laurel]

At this point this will be nothing left but bones on him

Like I'm pretty sure he has flayed off the flesh from beating himself over and over again

[sly ivy]

I love re 40K that no one can agree whether machine spirits are

[opaque coyote]

He is basically the worst character morality wise. All the others have shame, the Leper has none but is heroic.

The Flagellant just loves whipping people and himself

[sly ivy]

The immaterial imprints / presences of machines

Random software

A secret third thing that maybe has to do with the real Omnissiah sleeping under mars

Or all of the above

[opaque coyote]

Basically machine spirits are similar to how people consider actual spirits.

[sly ivy]

Or Literally nothing

[opaque coyote]

This phenomenon might be a spirit at work

Or it could just be the wind

[sly ivy]

That’s what I say when I fart

[opaque coyote]

All that matters is fate

And faith

[sly ivy]

also that

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-wind-must-have-been-the-wind-sleep-gif-13432282181485230141

The warp basically confirms machine spirits are a thing. But their exact nature eludes us. Both in and out of universe.

[livid junco]

so i've come down to two choices backstorywise for the blade.

Salamanders and Space Wolves, as it seems generally accepted that both somewhat regularly "modify" or even personally have a hand in creating their own wargear.

in either case, I like the idea of them trying to return the blade not to it's specific owner, but to the Chapter in general, as say, the squad of marines it belonged to died.
my only problem is that while the information i have of those two groups paints them in a comparatively "positive" light personality-wise. I can definitely see it possibly being taken the wrong way, a human claiming to be returning a blade and not just glorified heretical graverobber who was unlucky enough to run into the owner's family lool

[opaque coyote]

The Minotaurs would be disappointed because that means they missed some valuable loot

[livid junco]

lmfao

[sly ivy]

All chapters are pretty into weapon mods and so on

You could choose a more um challenging one like the iron hands or a secretive weird one like the dark angels

[opaque coyote]

The hard-line tech priest gets a seizure every time they see a space marine tinker with their Bolter.

[sly ivy]

Space wolves and salamanders are straight shooters

[sly ivy]

Mechanicus vs everyone else also a priceless part of 40K

[livid junco]

yea but i feel like the iron hands response would be "congratulations, your prize is to be my new servitor"

[opaque coyote]

The Iron Hands are generally pragmatic.

So they'd just say thanks and move kn

[arctic talon]

not servitor

they might offer you to become a serf

lol

[sly ivy]

< binharic screeching >

[opaque coyote]

Generally the Iron Hands are illogical over two things.

Technology and somebody shit talking Ferrus

Besides that they're generally pragmatic

And definitely not friendly

[late osprey]

frankly i think you should have it be a homebrew or otherwise lore-less chapter, because the chapter of the space marines isn't very important and you can have it be whatever you want for the story

after all, the point is the character and the space marines are more of a plot device

as to how he would avoid being confused for a graverobber, i don't think there's any real way to avoid that, but i also think that's part of what makes the journey interesting

having to prove or profess innocence in cynical universe

[opaque coyote]

And you know what the Imperium says

"innocence proves nothing"

[livid junco]

true but the mention of Dark Angels makes me think, I've been looking at stuff and i see mention of a variant of power sword labeled as "paragon blade" used mostly during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

So like, the idea of this being a search on multiple fronts

1: the human trying to return it after miraculously surviving the SM squad being wiped out

2: the original chapter searching for an "unnamed" blade that might be considered a "relic" of some kind.

3: the unknown number of third parties who would love to get their hands on it

[sly ivy]

Yes u can use my homebrew the sepia gooners

[opaque coyote]

You could, if you want to keep with the Grimdark theme, leave whether the protagonist is executed for grave robbing or not ambiguous

[livid junco]

^

[sly ivy]

oh that’s a good one

[livid junco]

and with a blade that old, as well as the faith of the human, there could definitely be that hint of being "lead" by the machine spirit so to speak

[sly ivy]

Yeah and psychic presence is a tricky thing

[livid junco]

have some little self indulgent moments where they pull off something absurd defending themselves. They would normally be more likely to run, but a blade that old having a particularly vengeful/stubborn machine spirit that eggs the human on lmfao.

[sly ivy]

Is it previous owners’ soul stuff? Is it intrinsic to the object? Its creator? The great and terrible events it’s been a part of? Its victims?

Is it a daemon?

Is it Him?

Is it some weird dark age of technology quasi ai? Is that ai itself warp influenced?

Hint at many things be subtle reveal little

[livid junco]

^

[opaque coyote]

I remember a fan comic. At first it seems to be a space marine. But then it switches to the Bolter. The body of the space marine is dragged away while the Bolter lays still.

It remains ambiguous whether it is the machine spirit of the bolter or the dying space marine lamenting

But either way, it doesn't matter. They were both weapons that were meant to be glorious. But abandoned in the end

Lemme find the comic dub

[sly ivy]

I’ve seen that it’s great

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/psBvJySfWp8?si=NYgpNvpfzhRsmP50

[opaque coyote]

Y u p

[late osprey]

there's very, very few things in the galaxy that can survive a direct hit from a charged space marine's power weapon

and next to nothing that's accessible to most of the imperium

[polar hill]

This is moreso an Inquisition sentiment, and, well, it's unfortunately true given the nature of Chaos

[opaque coyote]

Tbf in general that's just the sentiment of the Imperium. I think that quote specifically is from one of the "Thought of the Day".

[sly ivy]

Ya not an original sentiment but a lot of pearl clutching re 40K is wrongheaded given a universe where daemons are real.

[sly ivy]

But that’s a quote of the day for inquisition lackeys

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough

Still though with how cruel the Imperium is. I can imagine it's a universal sentiment across the empire

[sly ivy]

tbh bet exact system of law depends on planetary government for normal offenses

[opaque coyote]

Of course not everyone believes that.

And some planets are different than others yadayadayada

[sly ivy]

For Big Stuff yeah you’re prob fucked lmao

[opaque coyote]

But for big shit? Especially Chaos? Nah you're toast

Unless if you're a blank. But tbf that's probably already considered a toasting anyways

[sly ivy]

If ur a blank ur backwater ass village on colony planet 638538284 has prob already burned u at the stake

[opaque coyote]

Being a Blank sucks, but at least you have a much less likelihood to get your mind tampered with by a malicious entity

...now you just have to survive everyone hating you for no reason

[sly ivy]

4ever the stinky kid

[opaque coyote]

I mean there's differing level of blanks.

More minor blanks are just considered weird or something

You're fucked if you're a sister of silence level one though

[sly ivy]

What your village didn’t burn the weird people?

What kinda woke ass hippy childhood

[opaque coyote]

Apparently Jurgen according to a Sister of Silence is actually really good looking

Unknown about the scent though

Personally my headcanon is that

Jurgen actually did keep his hygiene

But was considered stinky regardless of how much cologne, deodorant, showers, etc.

He used

So he just gave up

And now he's just stinky regardless of whether you're a blank or not

Still funny that he might actually be hot. But the blank Aura just makes everybody see him as ugly.

[polar hill]

Neighbor's Kid weird versus shark-eyed, uncanny valley danger zone

[opaque coyote]

Minor blanks are more like neighbor kid weird

[polar hill]

That's what I meant lol

[opaque coyote]

Any more though and you get into "I need to kill him now"

[polar hill]

I imagine meeting a high-end blank is like meeting a total, broken in the brain psychopath

You just look into their eyes and there's nothing there but sliminess

[opaque coyote]

I have thought about a weird concept.

A sibling pair where one is a Psyker and the other is a Blank. Both the extreme in their respective... mutations? I guess?

But they got an additional one that sort of adapted to each other. So instead of one sibling suffering while the other is probably burned as a baby. Actually scratch that, probably both. They both seem normal. With their powers basically cancelling out when in close proximity

With the further the distance between them. The more their respective powers kick in with all of the strengths and flaws.

With a severe instinct to stay close

Would make an interesting dilemma since together they're about as strong as well... an ordinary human being. But very far apart, they can probably destroy an entire world. But they also can get possessed by a Daemon/immediately becomes enemy #1 to kill.

Also to make it more interesting. The Psyker sibling is only immune to their blank sibling's Aura. Exposed to any other blank and the normal results of a blank + Psyker arise.

It's like being immune to one virus variant, but still weak to the rest.

[livid junco]

lool

[opaque coyote]

I do imagine the "Okay" distance is like.

At least a regular street in terms of distance. Any farther and their respective powers kick in. Exponentially.

I imagine them being part of the inquisition precisely because they got separated and then a lot of people immediately tried to murder one sibling, with them having to use their powers (the Psyker sibling basically fucking sniped any attackers with their mind). And shit got wild.

[livid junco]

mmm, rushed out a little draft, got some stuff written out for the idea that is now solidly stuck in my mind.

[opaque coyote]

N i c e

[livid junco]

might share it, dunno if here is the place though lol

[opaque coyote]

It's fine

Just post it in like

A doc or link if you can

Pastebin

[livid junco]

never used pastebin before, i think i got it right https://pastebin.com/c7nXmSgc

[celest dome]

You might be interested in Munda's Onmyodo Coven

Pairs of Psyker and Blanks

[dry epoch]

Such a pair exists in Silver Skulls: Portents.

[celest dome]

👋

hello

[median star]

and heres the lurker

[raven stone]

Bleargh.
Morning

[raven stone]

…do you reckon we get any extra mechanics to represent Carapace armour the Arbites have

Or are we still just having health and toughness?

[vagrant fox]

I figure some damage reduction at most

[misty vector]

Wonder how the shield will work with the gun and mace

[ornate estuary]

Probably just a damage resist passive

[raven stone]

Yea that works

[astral burrow]

Probably just more health and more toughness

Go all in on human sized ogryn

[raven stone]

I think I already which Arbites personality I want to use.
The “jaded” one that sees the price of enforcing the Lex.
(Quotation marks because despite being “jaded” that actually just reflects modern day morals)

(…mostly.)

[astral burrow]

Sounds the more interesting, yeah

Might be my first female character

I can't resist kerillian

[raven stone]

It would also be interesting - though possibly a stretch of an ask - if Arbitrators react vastly differently to the exact type of crime sentence another Reject char player chose

Like, maybe they happen to be less uptight about Ecclesiarchy stuff, and slightly more to genuine military infractions.

[hallow saddle]

Who's gonna be shooting heretics in the dick on the 23rd

I cant wait

[storm jungle]

Everyone is tweaking

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[vagrant fox]

I have a mighty need

[dapper gyro]

Suppress it

[dry epoch]

Lurk mode re-engaged.

[gray umbra]

Its gonna be 4 man exaction squads for a few months and it will be lit

[hallow saddle]

Shooting heretics in the motherfuckin D*CK

Am I meant to know who Bricky is cause loads of the Warhammer YouTube vids are like "[...] with BRICKY!"

and I'm like I don't know who this mf is

[astral burrow]

He is bricky, c'mon

Brick guy

Bricked up

Bricking out

[hallow saddle]

He's Brick Man!

[astral burrow]

The brick!

[hallow saddle]

Ooooooh I'm Bricking

[astral burrow]

Yeah I have no clue who that is

[hallow saddle]

Darktide even did one

Bricky explains the crafting changes update or something

Who is Bricky and does he rock at darktide???

Cause if not why didn't they just approach one of the many darktide streamers who rock at the game

[plush mason]

he is part of the adeptus ridiculous podcast

and before that he did one of those TT wargame channels

[hallow saddle]

Aaaah gotcha, thanks

[raven stone]

I hope they give the Arbites the special ammo our Rejects have been constantly stealing lol

Would be bloody nice to see it used even if not by Rejects themselves

So at least players get a bigger appreciation

[plush mason]

those canonically go to the auric level troops under Melk's command afaik

[raven stone]

ah

Auric level troops expansion when lol

[astral burrow]

I am surprised Lego still hasn't made a new dengar

Still the same ugly figure with bare minimum printing smh smh

Do my boy justice

[shadow plover]

oh he's neat

[astral burrow]

Looks evil

Does anyone have Jedi bobs and obi wans starfighters

[humble shoal]

I assumed it was because bricky is a gw partnered creator

[queen laurel]

blades of khorne hell yeah

[arctic talon]

Ooooh I like that

Summary of the alleged rumours above;

Warhammer 40,000 - Pedro Kantor

• has heard that Pedro Kantor is being updated. Believes he'll drop in 11E.

Warhammer - The Horus Heresy

• has heard that the Saturnine box will be releasing in August, around 02/08/2025.

Age of Sigmar - Chaos Duardin

• has heard a new Chaos Duardin box set is coming - approximately fifteen models. Big golem-esque creature, an artillery piece and infantry.

Valrak leaks

Chorfs coming soon

[raven stone]

HH Force Org changes on Wednesday

Hopefully covers how allies work

[arctic talon]

Please just keep the ally chart

[raven stone]

Maybe shift things around a bit based on updated HH politics, but a chart is a good idea yea

[arctic talon]

Well

The chart is based on great crusade

Friendships

And seeing as we’re going back to early heresy conflicts

It’s fine to keep it as is

[raven stone]

Damn
Really wanted to run Solar Aux primary with Alpha secondary lol

[rocky gale]

AoS losing ally chart was sad

I built half my AoS armies around having allies

[raven stone]

Oh crap if HH goes that way…

I predict riots

[rocky gale]

Like I have Stormcast and Daughters as allies for my Cities, Soulblight and nighthaunt as allies for my Flesh eaters

And I’d planned on getting hedonites as allies for my Darkoath

[crystal forum]

finally got around to replacing my HH sergeant's plasma pistol with a grav shredder

looks better than i expected for a cut down resin grav gun

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Graviton_Shredder

i like graviton guns they're pretty unique sci fi guns

[nocturne crest]

So here's a thought, but could they make a crusader skin/outfit for the arbities coming to Darktide?

[polar hill]

Nah

GW wouldn't be down for that, I think

Plus a sword and shield moveset probably wouldn't work for whatever the Arbitrator's shield and maul do

[celest dome]

There's one for the Zealot already

[sly ivy]

Pedro Cantor? Pedro Cantor is the big 40K leak? Rip

Kantor whatever

[nocturne crest]

For real?

[fathom flame]

I'm so waiting for this

[celest dome]

No helmet though

[sacred ginkgo]

Gotfret de Montbard my beloved

[crystal forum]

given that we have so little lore and art about arbites i'm going to guess fatshark will have a lot of room for creativity with the outfits

[humble shoal]

They already came out with an outfit

Want to find out if the maul/shotgun has a club as its special because thats what it looked like to me

From the new gameplay video

[crystal forum]

most of the big outfit sets so far have been guard regiments which is pretty funny when you think that only two of the four classes are part of the guard

[storm jungle]

We got tons of lore/art about arbites actually.

https://tenor.com/view/plink-nerd-plank-plink-cat-cat-gif-17569403098672348326

[crystal forum]

compared to the classes already in game i meant

[storm jungle]

But GW has also been overhauling them visually to be like the kill-team sets so we shall see how that goes.

[sharp pollen]

do they go to parties? 🙂

[crystal forum]

or compared to any other imperial faction

[celest dome]

so little lore and art about arbites i'm going to guess fatshark will have a little of room for creativity with the outfits

[crystal forum]

arbites have nothing compared to like sisters of battle

[storm jungle]

well yeah they arent a core faction

😔

[crystal forum]

i can't even think of another non core faction to compare them to

[humble shoal]

Why does cyber dog skin look goofy

[crystal forum]

i feel like GW is going further away from the dredd look

[storm jungle]

Nah they 100% are

[crystal forum]

they're trying to make arbites more unique

[storm jungle]

Rogue Trader and Darktide both are using the KT look

[humble shoal]

Looks like a megazord

[storm jungle]

when they came out people assumed that appearance was only for Exaction Teams

now they are kinda solidifying that its not

Im not TOO bothered because the KT designs are really good but still

[crystal forum]

there should be a lot of variety with arbites when you think about all the other factions

[storm jungle]

the thing is arbites are extremely strict

they arent really allowed visual freedom

[crystal forum]

they are but i assume they also adapt their armour to the planet they're on

[nocturne crest]

The lore does say that Crusaders don't have to use only swords. Some use axes or polearms.

[storm jungle]

Ah no they dont

the soulshackle rulebook goes over a lot of stuff

it emphasis they arent really allowed any cosmetic freedoms

[crystal forum]

what about a toxic world like armageddon or krieg

[humble shoal]

Don't different precincts have slightly different look?

[celest dome]

Indeed, and not all Crusader orders/Houses are melee only

[crystal forum]

wouldn't they wear gas masks

[storm jungle]

They just put on a gasmask under their helmet, thats it

ım talking in regards to more wilder stuff

[crystal forum]

that's slightly visually different at least

[humble shoal]

Like this

[queen laurel]

Bro the cosmetic upgrade is literally the proctor-exactant in killteam

[crystal forum]

i never heard of the open toed boots

those arent even boots they're high heels

[humble shoal]

I dont think those are open toed

[queen laurel]

to be honest i prefer the KT look way more

[crystal forum]

i like that they're always frowning like dredd

[crystal forum]

im not a fan of the open visor like that

[humble shoal]

I want the microphone mouth

[crystal forum]

it makes them look like plague roach

[humble shoal]

I thought it was official art tbh

[sharp pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-dancing-grinding-lol-gif-15718833840378817364

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if the arbities will get a enforcer skin.

[humble shoal]

That would be a bit backwards....

[crystal forum]

wouldn't that just be making them look shittier

trading in your carapace for a flak vest

i hope we get net gun for arbites one day so i can give trappers a taste of their own medicine

[sharp pollen]

i want heavy stubber

i want heavy stubber

[median star]

cant wait for bionic slop for arbites to make robo cop a reality