40k-lore-chat

[glossy sonnet]

💀

[burnt jackal]

cool face cybernetic

[opaque coyote]

What the fuck is an ILL

[burnt jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-tyranid-space-marines-titus-gif-4053401268298780302

he doesn't exist

you made him up

If I'm remembering right I think Eats-Many-Asses is a follower mod still on nexus

It was one of the first companion mods i saw back when special edition came out lmao

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-bro-pc-principal-south-park-s19e8-sponsored-content-gif-20622198

[languid meadow]

the game you asked for stinky

[opaque coyote]

Ah, is it an acronym

Or is that it's full name

[languid meadow]

not it's the word Ill like I'm feeling ill

ILL

[opaque coyote]

Oh

Honestly I thought it would've have a longer name.

Then again REPO exists

So

[languid meadow]

ILL is an old ass game

[opaque coyote]

Damn this shit looks cool

[opaque coyote]

The steam page says it's to be released tho

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/JqsWGPzVbWg?si=TCNqP-2ABL3B09vi this was the first showcase of the game

4 years ago

[opaque coyote]

Oh old as in development

Okay

[umbral kraken]

idk what kinda game this is

guess it's like re7

or condemned perhaps

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/ZBPi85S2MmA?si=w6hbP0Wl5EjF3iyF modern day trailer, but yeah it's like RE7-8

[sly ivy]

I Love Lucy

[dapper gyro]

The feeling of assigned penance... it is really something.

[sly ivy]

R u dumping ur scream of consciousness in chat

Is this some fucking James Joyce novel

[umbral kraken]

[dapper gyro]

Nope... it really is. Whatever, I felt like a 40K character for a moment.

Nothing more

[burnt jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-ork-railgun-let-me-shoot-my-railgun-gif-9874737770595198769

liquor drinkers telling a beer enthusiast how they only need a couple shots instead of 12 beers

[opaque coyote]

hm

although tbf the mere illusion of reason is still enough reason to generally be interested

[winter pine]

Past couple of years have me thinking the Martians have the right idea on abominable intelligence

[late osprey]

glad that this is being disseminated, but it was pretty commonly understood already in circles following closely

[sly ivy]

Yeah I feel like it’s hard to separate. Should read the paper.

[sharp pollen]

i just mistaken black templars and dark angels by the look in other chat

how bad is this crime

[vagrant fox]

Ten lashes in penance

[astral burrow]

Is Canada having wildfires again

[celest dome]

Yes

Jay said so a couple of days ago

[astral burrow]

Hope there aren't any near my friend

[astral burrow]

I hate choice paralysis

[dapper gyro]

Wildfire is seasonal in Canada. It is a cycle.

[raven stone]

Also necessary for the ecosystem, surprisingly

[sacred bluff]

are there any cases of the butcher's nails being removed successfully

[celest dome]

Afaik not

[raven stone]

Thus making it another potential taboo/Mary Sue thing if someone survived removal...

[celest dome]

There are World Eaters that haven't got Nails though

[flint dock]

Angron got better after Hawkboi ripped them out. Still not recommended.

[polar hill]

Nada. It's why Angron was doomed; the procedure to remove the Nails would have killed him. The Emperor and Malcador did have the know-how to resurrect Primarchs, and it was deliberated in regards to Ferrus, but it would have required time and resources that they didn't have due to the Heresy - which is to say, when the Great Crusade (which itself was running against the clock and had resource constraints) ended, it would have been feasible for the Nails to have been removed and Angron revived hale and whole. But ofc, that opportunity never came

[storm jungle]

The Emperor literally could have just fixed him with his plot-given magic powers.

He just doesnt because we need Angron to fall to chaos. Its pre-destined lore.

[queen laurel]

My guy has biomancy powers that allows him to turn into any form he wishes to be on a biological level yet he can't heal some brain damage?

[storm jungle]

They explain it as "Its DAOT tech + wrapped around his brainstem" and im like so?

He literally has any OP power the authors give him in any appearance

[queen laurel]

Yeah he has complete biological control of himself because of biomancy why can't he just use it on anything that isn't him

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is kinda what you get when your setting's magic system has no boundaries.

[queen laurel]

This is literally one of the powers and it's considered one of the more lighter ones in biomancy

the emperor is doing shit that would put that to shame

[polar hill]

Luv me Emprah but he suffers so much from having too many cooks in the kitchen

It should not be so hard to write Space Wizard Conan

[storm jungle]

its the ultimate fate of not so smart writers trying to write a "genius" level intellect character.

"Religion is bad because people die."

[polar hill]

Sherlock Netflix series be like

[storm jungle]

Real.

Its also the thing of pre-destined plot.

The more they try to explain why some primarchs fell to chaos the funnier it gets

Mortarion's reason is still about as stupid

[polar hill]

Tbf isn't that why the door is still open for his redemption?

[celest dome]

Otherwise there is also Shape Flesh

Which might make more sense here

[queen laurel]

Yeah but I was making a point on how this is one of the lighter powers of biomancy

[storm jungle]

Nope.

[queen laurel]

and it's literally turning skin into

steel

[storm jungle]

You make something as dumb as a chaos primarch being "redeemed" you upset their entire fanbase.

Its okay for villains to be villains.

https://tenor.com/view/jack-horner-what-took-you-so-long-idiot-flick-ethical-bug-cricket-gif-27517481

[queen laurel]

and he has mastered that discipline to a point that his physical form isn't even an issue anymore

So this guy masters this discipline which is one of the lighter teachings is turning your body into metal can't heal brain damage?

[sly ivy]

Ya that’s aos shit

[storm jungle]

I mean no it isnt

even in AOS most of the redeemed chaos people are not that far gone

and they get to have an actually tragic backstory or understandble reason

not uh

[sly ivy]

Honestly though it would be hilarious to have a trilogy where one of the chaos primarchs does get redeemed and then promptly falls again

[storm jungle]

"my dad stole my kill"

[celest dome]

And they are well written

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too.

[sly ivy]

= Josh Reynolds wrote them lmao

[storm jungle]

Not really

theres other authors that cover this subject

both in books/short stories

[sly ivy]

False

[storm jungle]

Correct.

next question

[sly ivy]

Wrong

SAD

[sacred bluff]

The way Dan Abnett wrote Zygmunt Molotch in Ravenor was probably my favorite when it comes to genius level intellect

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Abnett is a somewhat smart person

most BL authors dont really get it

[celest dome]

The Primarch are collectively worse written than any of the Chaos Warrior turned Stormcast

[sly ivy]

Tbf they’re a lot more complicated

Tornus etc. we don’t know that much about

[celest dome]

The Primarch ?

[queen laurel]

Neave black Talon is way more compelling than the primarchs yeah

[sly ivy]

But the primarchs have to be these volatile god-children

[storm jungle]

"Complicated" is kinda pushing it

they are about as deep as the authors writing them

which itself creates uhhh

a lot of discourse

shall we say lol

[sly ivy]

They are god children and they are fathers and they are brothers

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wait-youre-serious-let-me-laugh-frowning-robot-gif-14586647

[sacred bluff]

Some writers do well with Dorn and Perturabo

[sly ivy]

J mean it’s a lot

Tornus is like

Some guy who used to be a nice guy and then was not and now he’s nice again

[storm jungle]

"I hate my dad because I got evil visions"

"I hate my dad because I hate myself"

JUST

GUH-

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

Again curse of pre-destined lore

its like how if Angron was properly rescued by Big E he'd still go traitor because he hates tyrants, no way out of it

[astral burrow]

Kylo Ren type shit

[storm jungle]

Real.

[polar hill]

Konrad is slightly more complicated than that

He lies to himself that the future is set in stone in order to cope with his sadistic, psychopathic tendencies; "I'm not doing this because I want to, I'm doing it because I have to." He further pretends that he has no agency by acting like it was what the Emperor designed him for

Essentially, he's just insane, and I love it when Sevatar calls him out on it

[astral burrow]

My profile is now hilarious

[polar hill]

I can't laugh at this, where's the amogus?

[sly ivy]

Or maybe

Kurze is SANE and the rest of us are INSANE 🤯

I am 14 and this is deep

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like thats not really much either, I say this as someone that read his books. Hes just a coping piece of shit that lies to himself lol

"Let me flay this woman who tried to kill herself"

Very Shakespearean

[astral burrow]

SUSTHETIC KALKITE

[plush mason]

his planet shows that things like law and justice where fucked up long before the imperium's decline

[storm jungle]

He was born in the wrong timeline

🇺🇸

[radiant lance]

New handcanon:
The two lost primarchs/legions were women, and the Emperor removed them from record/retcon'd them as brothers because he REALLY hated all the mommy memes

[raven stone]

Lol

I think the lost Primarche grew native to the point of siding with their populace against Emps, with possible involvement of xeno/warp things involved

Or at least, ONE of the earlier redacted Primarchs (iirc the 3rd to be found is, ironically, one of the redacted ones)

First was Horus, second was Russ

I think.

[polar hill]

All we know is that one of the brothers was trusted with knowledge of the Warp and he fell

And that he was apparently the brother most prepared to deal with the knowledge

[storm jungle]

is this from Penitent

because there its another person concluding this saying it "HAD" to be the reason, which is about as loose as the rest of the evidences we have.

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-columbo-peter-falk-lt-frank-columbo-hmm-gif-17509850

[polar hill]

I think The Lost and the Damned? Can't recall

Tried to find the excerpt since I saw it only a few days ago, but turned up nada

It was revealed to me in a dream

[sly ivy]

Based

[sly ivy]

Impossible

As the perfect man

The Emperor could only love mommy memes

[celest dome]

Seeing as there were statues made (and then removed) on Terra
I do think that both had joined the Imperium before leaving

[radiant lance]

What if it's both because he hated mommy memes, and our primarch mommies were the ones given the super power fragment of knowing about the warp

[celest dome]

And some of the other Primarch did meet them iirc

[radiant lance]

"I should give one of my superpowers to each of my primarches. I will give me power of spreadsheets to this one"

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

It’s because He gave them free will and they chose to main Tau

Then He did what he must

[radiant lance]

What the hell is the G-man's superpower?
Like every primarch got a cool trait except G-man. He just has undying pragmatism or some shit

There's that one thing where he just has an aura which makes people like him, but other primarchs had that too

[hexed orchid]

He has the last remaining copy of Microsoft Excel

[raven stone]

He is the super politician

[polar hill]

Logistics

[sly ivy]

That’s funny because he seems like one of the most obvious to me in terms of aspects of the emperor

He is literally the Emperor

The good king

[tough haven]

He’s got super multitasking and like tactics or some shit

[sly ivy]

Horus is the conqueror king

[tough haven]

Which tbh is underrated

When managing something like the imperium

[radiant lance]

Oh G-man is honestly one of the best primarchs because he's just the get shit done primarch
He's just not flashy

[sly ivy]

Yeah Guilliman to me is kind of the most important part of big E

He’s E and Malcador wrapped into one.

Every primarch is to some extent a leader of men

But none has those imperial qualities s

So much as G

[radiant lance]

G-man's super power is being the OG

[sly ivy]

In his sensitivity to human nature he may dare I say it actually be a better emperor than The Emperor

Despite his lack of the Leto ii thing

In this way he’s one of the clearest cases of a primarch’s surpassing his father

[storm jungle]

I mean

he literally tells the Emperor he isnt his true father

so yeah lol

The entire reason hes even helping the Imperium is because theres no alternative, he admitted he'd rather go live out his life on a farmstead somewhere

[sly ivy]

The Emperor’s great weakness is the Dr. Manhattan thing

Guilliman and Sanguinius most directly compensate for that

[storm jungle]

his great weakness is bad writing

[polar hill]

The Emperor lived through millennia of observing how humanity almost rendered itself extinct, then put into motion the means to guarantee the survival of the human species; by contrast, after fighting for that vision and observing how humanity ended up after surviving for so long, he noticed the abject need to assure the survival of the human soul

IMO, the Emperor was the right man for the responsibility he had, and Guilliman is the right man for the responsibility he now has

[storm jungle]

also being stupid

[storm jungle]

The problem is the way he "guranteed" said survival ended up dooming the entire species as awhole.

https://tenor.com/view/columbo-detective-confused-thinking-peter-falk-gif-9201241461890937253

[sly ivy]

I also agree w this

It wouldn’t be as poignant a tragedy if everything were wrongheaded from the beginning

The great tragedy of 40K is that His impossible plan almost worked.

[forest orbit]

The great tragedy of 40k is how far humanity has fallen since its inception.

and Mr Space Hitler making it worse by going "im right because big wizards"

[storm jungle]

LMAO

I mean I wouldnt say it like that but-

[polar hill]

Such is the fruit of being betrayed and the plan going out the window; had his sons not been scattered, and Chaos not taken root in the Word Bearers, I truly believe it would have succeeded

[sly ivy]

I am so glad we have an enduring spigot of bad takes

[forest orbit]

Im a space marine fanboy at heart but the amount of loops people go to to defend the Emperor's plan is kinda offputting after awhile.

[sly ivy]

Sometimes I want em just like an IPA or something

[storm jungle]

*Such is the fate of the hubris of a man who thought he knew everything

[forest orbit]

*Such is the fate of all tyrants

If we wanna be even more TLDR

[storm jungle]

kek

[sly ivy]

That’s so deeeep maaaaaaaan

Whoa

[forest orbit]

Its definitely more deep than defending a literal genocidal jihadist supremacist tbh

[storm jungle]

Emperor stans dont usually end up helping themselves and paint him as way more of a tragic figure than he actually is

There was absolutely way better ways to establish the Imperium, he just didnt do it because he was "short on time"

[sly ivy]

I’m serious 🤯

God knows what he is as you said writing inconsistent

I admit I like

[forest orbit]

There was but we need the Dune parallels

[sly ivy]

Sorry of paste on Paul / Leto Atreides assuming they’re going for a golden path type deal.

[forest orbit]

minus the worms unfortunately

😔

[storm jungle]

the lack of worms is a huge loss

also I will say again

Valdor was fucking right

there was no need for primarchs

but alas we needed more toy sales

[sly ivy]

How can u say u lack worms when u have me 😡

[storm jungle]

Because you arent standing ready for my arrival

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-invincible-gif-15950173611998718110

[polar hill]

The glazing will continue until morale improves. Luv me King of Ages, luv me Master of the Lines, luv me Golden King, luv me Neoth, luv me Space Wizard Conan

[storm jungle]

Hes busy with a sword shoved up his ass atm 😔

[forest orbit]

Its not that hard to convince people to follow awful leaders so I wouldnt worry that much about it.

they only realise their mistake later when it involves their life on the line too lol

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

All is fair in gold and enlightenment until you are the one being sent to a penal camp

[forest orbit]

Should have uhhhh

burnt more babies or something I dunno

[storm jungle]

the baby kicking quota is extremely low

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366882068960641185/1381064639088955392/Untitled_Project_V42.gif

[polar hill]

Most nuanced Chaos books:

[storm jungle]

We need someone to villainize more to take off from the fact that the main characters are also genocidal nutjobs.

[forest orbit]

LOL

[plush mason]

yup

[forest orbit]

Me reading any black templar book

Good job brother Sigidodos, now this planet's population that we just liberated can go back to slaving in their factories once more

[queen laurel]

Ah yes the main characters that would lynch you for being slightly taller than average and send you the concentration camps truly the paragons of morality

[sly ivy]

In reality the emperor is meant to be an ambiguous character. We’re meant to wonder whether his way is the only narrow path to the species’ survival

We’re meant to wonder whether it’s worth the price

In what it makes us

[storm jungle]

Yeah the problem is we gotta write novels

[sly ivy]

It would be boring otherwise

[storm jungle]

so you're fired

WAITER

MORE EMPEROR NARRATION PLEASE

[sly ivy]

All u need is

• Magnus +

[storm jungle]

Its better to keep him ambigious instead of also exploring his "character", since he isnt a character, hes a plot tool.

[sly ivy]

Yes

[storm jungle]

the King of r/atheist

🫡

[sly ivy]

Master of Mankind was right in the edge

On

oh no don’t remind me of the last church

[storm jungle]

its canon

so

I do like people who do try to explain why the Emperor is so dumb in that book by saying hes uhhh putting on an "act" or something, idfk

actually guys Batman didnt die, he just contingency'd his death using prep time

🗣️ 🧠

same tier writing i swear

[sly ivy]

F

[storm jungle]

😩

[polar hill]

I didn't like McNeill's justification either

To paraphrase, "Emperor used dumb arguments because the priest also had no theological education"

[outer wave]

Same line of logic as "I was just pretending to be stupid"

[sly ivy]

Yeah

I will say that I think McNeill has produced some lovely work and has really fleshed out both settings

And the overall premise of the last church is great as is a lot of its imagery

[storm jungle]

its worth it alone for the Emperor just going mask-off with the "I know I'm right."

[sly ivy]

I’m glad he wrote it. The theology was lame.

[storm jungle]

The Emperor is up there with Batman and Darth Vader as one of the most fucking overwanked characters I hate.

tho I definitely hate the latter 2 more but thats its own can of worms

[sly ivy]

I love him

As a plot device

As a corpse god

[outer wave]

Now I'm interested on why you hate batman more than Emperor

[sly ivy]

As a metaphor

[storm jungle]

He'll make the Imperium great again 🙏

[storm jungle]

His fans.

Batman can literally solo 40k given the right writer

thats how broken he is

[queen laurel]

Prep time McGee?

[storm jungle]

lmao

[sly ivy]

When he’s actually in a scene as an ambulatory being he’s boring af

[queen laurel]

Alfred, activate the iron throne protocol

After the activation it just supercharges Superman to deal with chaos for him

[storm jungle]

"Um akshually I got a transdimensional-cobulator-mixing-neutronus-quantum-engine that can delete your entire universe. I made this in a cave in a week with a box of scraps."

least deranged batman plot

[outer wave]

Wasn't expecting D/C fans to somehow be worse than 40k fans in your eyes tbh

[storm jungle]

Nah not fans

like in general i mean

batman fans are their own sub-species

40k fans are way fucking worse

[outer wave]

Gotcha gotcha

[sly ivy]

I don’t even like that we see Guilliman talk to… whatever it is that’s in that room

[storm jungle]

I think that scene is great imo

its literally him talking to a broken ChatGBT bot

[sly ivy]

I want it to be ambiguous whether he’s just dead

[storm jungle]

Weeeeell

[sly ivy]

Ok yes it is well done

[storm jungle]

we knew he was never dead

for like a very long time

[sly ivy]

You are right

[storm jungle]

ı get the point tho lol

[queen laurel]

Dude his alternate personality made a robot that can dog the Justice League and beat him

[storm jungle]

what the fuck

[sly ivy]

It by the way is extremely similar to the scene from Inquisitor

[storm jungle]

oh my god I hate comics

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt be surprised if it was a homage

its like almost exact lol

even if Ian Watson is a GOONER

[sly ivy]

Which I read as a wee lad soon after it came out lmao

[storm jungle]

LMAO

oh god 💀

[outer wave]

He's still weak to Trojans

[storm jungle]

I hope you enjoyed vivid descriptions of scat rituals and uhhh buildings in a slaanesh world fucking each other

[sly ivy]

Ye ah I was gonna say I got a vague feeling I maybe shouldn’t be reading this

[storm jungle]

I think the books are very much worth a read from a historical perspective

because they are like weird but not terrible, just bizarre

[sly ivy]

But my parents had bought me space hulk first edition

And I was a goner

[storm jungle]

😔

[sly ivy]

I mean gooner

I mean goner

[astral burrow]

[sly ivy]

That was my 40K origin

[astral burrow]

Never goon

[sly ivy]

Space Hulk first had just enough awesome lore

To ensnare you

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971904116144095292/1298312105069514812/media-iv-text.gif

[sly ivy]

My absolute favorite desc of the emperor by far by far is that he from watchers

So good

“Then the image split in two, and the doors swung inwards. I saw what lay beyond – ranks of pillars, marching into a mist-thick distance. I saw the energy feeders, each one the size of a Titan, hanging from the stalactites of the unseen roof. I saw the power lines, ribbed and massive, coiled across every surface like engorged serpents. The air was golden, thick as milk, spilling out of the doorway like a tarnished sunrise.

Through the haze, the swimming motes of power, I laid eyes on the nexus itself. It was hard to gauge size in there – everything shook in a heat-tremor of psychic intensity. I saw impossibly old panels, fluted like organ pipes, rising up and up through the mist, webbed with patina and repeatedly repaired. I saw arcs of lightning snap and twist, and blood-cyclers wheezing, and smelt a pervasive stench as sweet as rotting meat.

And somewhere in the heart of that titanic construction, somewhere in the midst of the stacked terraces and the baroque platforms and the gantries and the forests of cabling, lost like a pearl in the heart of some obscene mechanical clamshell, I glimpsed just a slip of flesh, a shred of hairless grey, perhaps a scalp, perhaps the fragment of a face, buried under it all, slaved to it, dominating it, dominating everything.”

So good.

[astral burrow]

Such a cute kitty

She just ran up to me for pats lol

[storm jungle]

The kitty must punch you.

[astral burrow]

NOOOOO

[storm jungle]

Watchers has some GREAT descriptions of terra in general

[sly ivy]

Yes amazing

Just transcendent language

[polar hill]

I wish Dilara was cool. If only Batman had more prep time

[storm jungle]

Bold assumption that I ever claimed I was cool. No 40k fan is 😔

[crystal forum]

the new legally distinct FTL game is really good

the one that's also legally distinct 40k

[nocturne crest]

iirc, didn't Batman have to go more crazy to nearly beat him?

[crystal forum]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2853590/Void_War/

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i recommend it dudes

[dapper gyro]

Batman is autistic.

[sly ivy]

Lmao that game is more 40K than 40K

[crystal forum]

it's like a fan improved FTL too

i like how teleporting has been nerfed

[nocturne crest]

Found it:

[sly ivy]

I approve this cat

[astral burrow]

As you should

[storm jungle]

AI art

ew

[crystal forum]

what?

i don't think it's AI

it's not meant to be 40k

[storm jungle]

I didnt think so at first

but then I saw shit like this

this is like, 100% AI with a pixel "filter" thrown over it

this is also just a straight up 40k copy-paste

the gun makes no sense (even more than usual 40k stuff), the powerpack is just a straight up 40k one, you can tell this was put in a prompt-generator

[crystal forum]

ah damn

[dapper gyro]

If the artist can do it live, then I would give it to them.

The "art" typers are all over the place with bullshit excuses.

[storm jungle]

Yeah same.

[storm jungle]

Maybe im wrong but we'll see, I had some more professional studio artist friends of mine take a look at it and frown so can only wait lol

they did like an entire Columbo breakdown of it

[crystal forum]

the in game art looks not AI

i hope

[storm jungle]

Well ingame is ingame, you cant really AI art that stuff

the "illustrations" on the other hand

[rocky gale]

Huh, the new Killteam box has 10 Hormagaunts in it aswell as the two new killteams.

[queen laurel]

the Hormagaunts must be for the spawning mechanic

[sly ivy]

Random recommendation and I’m not a comic book person but the original Dark Horse Aliens trilogy, where the protagonists are Newt and Hicks as intended (not the awkward edited versions where they’re “billie” and “wilks”) is amazing esp the second one. Art is fantastic.

But also tell me this dude isn’t 40k af

[polar hill]

Are those domesticated xenomorphs

[sly ivy]

Read the trilogy!!! It’s worth it.

Very well written

Very.

Esp vols 1 and 2

[sly ivy]

There is an attempt.

He threatens the queen and keeps her confined — basically she has a gun to her and her childrens’ heads and is forced to comply

… this of course ends well without any issues

At the end everyone hugs and kisses and commits to an equitable, inclusive, 0 net carbon joint society

[young pecan]

Reminds me of that one where the xenomorphs kept a dude alive and he eventually got them to see him as one of them or something like that

Was really interesting but not sure how true to typical lore that is

[sly ivy]

Oh yeah that’s another early one I think but not this early.

[young pecan]

Speaking of not typical lore

[sly ivy]

I believe that’s Aliens Labyrinth

[young pecan]

How often is it that traitors get to redeem themselves in 40k?

[sly ivy]

Very often

[young pecan]

I know by the time someone gets mutated it's pretty much too late

[sly ivy]

By accepting a lasround through the chest

I don’t think there have been any cases of redeemed traitors lmao

There are loyalist members of traitor legions

[young pecan]

That was actually the main thing I wondered about

[sly ivy]

And ||Loken at the end of End and the Death makes Abaddon consider for a moment turning things around||

[young pecan]

Every single time a traitor legion is mentioned casually it's always like "Well the primarch got corrupted and his entire legion instantly agreed to give their souls up for damnation, no biggie"

Like what

[sly ivy]

The 30k novels make it pretty clear that’s not the case

[young pecan]

I don't know either of those duders but I like when it's actually a thinker

Like ||Eisenhorn's case||

[sly ivy]

Each traitor legion had to perform a purge.

[young pecan]

He teeters REAL close

[young pecan]

That makes sense

[sly ivy]

Oh Eisenhorn is just on a one-way road to hell

[young pecan]

I almost would've liked to see one where the loyalists win

In "traitor legions" at least

[sly ivy]

dark angels

Literally their story

And eternal shame

Oh wait yeah so

The Lion I guess is redeeming some Fallen but they’re not that chaosy

[young pecan]

It's definitely looking like it, especially since ||multiple times the book mentions both him and I think Ravenor saying how it's only a matter of time before every inquisitor turns to chaos, it's just how much they contribute to good before they fall that matters||

HOWEVER

His willpower has been glazed so fucking much

It's kinda hard to say he won't kick the bucket before he succumbs

[sly ivy]

Yeah =(. Annett is not gonna pull any punches I think

[polar hill]

I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know, either.

[sly ivy]

We’re gonna lose Gregor one way or another.

[sly ivy]

Am… am I dead now

[polar hill]

💥

[spare osprey]

Tbf the traitors were the minority

[arctic talon]

it is AI art

For the like

non ingame sprite work

[young pecan]

So excited to read the Ravenor omnibus but it's not printed anyfuckingwhere

I have to preorder from Barnes and Noble for July 15th or something

[crystal forum]

well it wouldn't be the first time i'm disappointed by indie games using AI for their store page

[young pecan]

Gonna look around downtown some more today

[young pecan]

Orrr I could read digital but that's stinky

[arctic talon]

maybe they'll actually hire an artist for the store page art

Jokes aside its literally 1(?) I think person working on it right now

I still think its bad

[polar hill]

Also also. The sentiment of treachery only being redeemable in death is generally true, though it can happen two ways: 1, the obvious lasgun to the chest, and 2, self-sacrifice. Obviously it's circumstantial but, generally, if a traitor has a change of heart, he's still going to be surrounded by other traitors. For example, the Thousand Sons sorcerer who helped Rylanor detonate the virus bomb

[sly ivy]

Had I not known that I was dead already

[winter vessel]

why's he smiling?

[sly ivy]

I can’t remember I think maybe he pops some happy pills or — no maybe something like he plugs into some vr thing to see his dead wife or some wrenching thing like that

When he knows the aliens are coming to kill Jim

Him

It’s Aliens Hive

I haven’t read it in years and years

But some of these dark horse alien comics are extremely good sci fi

[winter vessel]

was about to say like, he's in the most agonizing fate you could ever experience if you existed in the Aliens universe.

but yeah, Dark Horse has made some quality aliens comics

[sly ivy]

Hive is a particularly meditative one.

The comics are way better than the later movies and stuff I think.

Many of them

The writers are really talented.

[winter vessel]

i think the only comic i remember the most on was Aliens Labyrinth

with that doctor character

[sly ivy]

They’re the only comics other than like Calvin and Hobbes and I guess idk Maus and Watchmen that I really like. Oh Sandman

… rip Neil Gaiman wtf m8

Yeah Labyrinth was peak form

[young pecan]

I like that the second thing can happen, albeit briefly, even in hideously corrupted individuals

It's really cool that followers of Nurgle can briefly break out of their hallucinations, feel and experience everything about their decision, and then fall back under the trance

Cool body horror or something

[sly ivy]

Eisenorquin are tough to read because you just want more more more

I never want them to be over

Gaunt’s Ghosts fantastic too.

But those keep on truckin

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

Owlcat COOKING

[arctic talon]

Going to wake up in the night with them in your guts with a scalpel

[storm jungle]

You joke

but having seen Kibellah's romance

its likely

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I don’t joke

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

I think they will try to cut us open

Lol

[storm jungle]

Kibellah be like

"You may indeed jab this knife into my eye socket."

[arctic talon]

Yeah and her romance is great

[storm jungle]

All of them are honestly

im legit surprised by how much the writer Olga cooked

[outer wave]

Finally, THE MECHADANDRITES CAN GO UP MY A--

[storm jungle]

you joke

but

[arctic talon]

That’s like

[storm jungle]

AGAIN.

[arctic talon]

Not even the most wild thing

They’d have for that

Seeing as Owlcat seems to like the psycho tech priest archetype lol

[storm jungle]

reminder

you can date a literal psycho serial killer in Pathfinder

and encourage her behavior

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

so like, yeah Elite is right lmao

[arctic talon]

And she’s fucking great

Lol

Funniest character ever

Even on a good playthrough

[storm jungle]

I LOVE how generic/boring she acts before you catch her

its actually so fucked up but funny

[arctic talon]

“I can fix her”

“No you can’t”
Being like 90% of the dialogue

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

With your party

Is so fucking funny

Your character is so convinced

If you’re good morality wise

That you can make her better

LOL

[storm jungle]

YEAH I KNOW

ITS GREAT

god one of my favs

[arctic talon]

I’d never actually romance her

[late osprey]

I was a Galfrey Devoted

[arctic talon]

But the dialogue is

[late osprey]

Killed Camilla on the spot

[arctic talon]

So fucking good

especially if you’re a Paladin

Trying to uh

You know

[outer wave]

So wait, GW is okay with the Mechanicus being romancible but not the SoB?

[arctic talon]

Justify it LOL

[storm jungle]

GW are grognards.

also we got canon examples of techpriests having sexual feelings/dating/marrying

[arctic talon]

Tbh Argenta not being romancable is whatever to me

Personally

[storm jungle]

Sisters less so

[outer wave]

Welp, we may as well go the extra step: make the Ogryn romancible

[storm jungle]

like uh

one of the SoB writers during 8th edition

[arctic talon]

Also yeah tech priests have more love stuff going on

In their stuff

Lol

[storm jungle]

outright came out and said GW stepped in

otherwise she was gonna put a sister/sister romance in a novel

lmao

[arctic talon]

GW are scared

[outer wave]

Its so weird

[storm jungle]

Its just grognardism

because like

the studio legit has some sexist/chud people in it

[arctic talon]

Tech priests are human in spite of trying to become inhuman

Lol

Is another reason why admech love comes up

Surprisingly often

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

[arctic talon]

Cawl felt platonic love for his master before he fucking killed her lol

Cawl loves Qvo platonically(maybe)

Or maybe it’s something more lol

[late osprey]

There's also that one Caiaphas Cain incident

[storm jungle]

Ciaphas Cain is very loose

the author that wrote it doesnt even generally consider it that lore compliant

[arctic talon]

It gets close enough

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah that lmao

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of parental love stuff as well with tech priests

Which is also fun

Anyways the mechanicus has love brought up a surprising amount

Which is funny

[storm jungle]

We need the 6 hour sex scene NOW

[celest dome]

We got bear sex scene

I demand Kastelan sex scene

[arctic talon]

NOT THE POWER FIST

[tough haven]

They arent entirely emotionless

[dapper gyro]

The way they see love is a little different from the more normal human.

[tough haven]

"Do you know how expensive a second Space Marine is?" -The Rogue Trader, on the lack of a Pilot
“They won’t accept my money! They just keep demanding shit like “their chapter’s honor” and “a chance to atone for their sins”
I don’t have any of that!"
-An excerpt from my party asking why their rogue trader patron could give the party a Thunderhawk for free, but not a pilot to fly it knowing full well no one in the party can

[arctic talon]

No that’s my point

Lol

[languid meadow]

Arbites Deluxe edition

[arctic talon]

||That dog is just a brain and torso||

[astral burrow]

Are you fucking serious

Deluxe edition of a dlc for a game that already has an "edition"

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

Lol

That’s not unusual

[astral burrow]

I never seen different editions of dlcs

Microtransaction squared

[languid meadow]

base DLC is 12 bucks so I really don't care

[arctic talon]

I’m surprised

Tbh

[late osprey]

You think that Arbites has to make sure he doesn't bump his icon off in the hive tunnels?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[glossy sonnet]

what kind of dlc has a deluxe edition

Idk what that revolver is but I love it

[arctic talon]

A few

[arctic talon]

It’s a shotgun

[languid meadow]

darktide is being shown a the PC game show in a couple of mins btw

[arctic talon]

Slugs or pellets

There’s a scoped version in the killteam

[storm jungle]

Fur cape

Instabuy

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[astral burrow]

Today's test went terribly...

[arctic talon]

That’s rough

[languid meadow]

the blows man

tests fucking suck

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/Ay5Tdet0J2c?si=iy6sIw6LjLcU4Dmh

[storm jungle]

🙏

love it

[sly ivy]

I’m sorry

What in

[arctic talon]

Police brutality is escalating

Do you think arbite body cams are to ensure brutality

[late osprey]

Arbites turn their cams off to get away with being merciful

[arctic talon]

Real

[astral burrow]

Everything really

[arctic talon]

“Look I’m supposed to break both your knees and skin you alive, but I’ll just bash your skull in instead”

[storm jungle]

I do like how of all the faction to get bodycams

its the Scions lol

and its to review that they ARE brutal in combat/not backing off

[arctic talon]

Admech also have body cams

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

yeah but every single scion has a bodycam

[arctic talon]

Though I suppose it’s eyes

[storm jungle]

its that shoulder-mount

which i always assumed was a targeter

[arctic talon]

Oh the fucking camera

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yep tho im sure like

most people forget about this already

[arctic talon]

Tbf it is a targeter as well

[storm jungle]

official developers included

lol

[arctic talon]

Does someone have the arbite turns bodycam off meme

[storm jungle]

Alas, i dont

that one is like

months old i think lol

[polar hill]

Bro
That maul to shotpistol swap

https://tenor.com/view/thats-hot-busted-nut-gif-21810567

But what does it meeeeaaan. I gotta knoooow.

[languid meadow]

The thing is uh

[polar hill]

Is it a shield and maul in one slot and a shield and pistol in the other?

[languid meadow]

We don't know

And fatshark is being vague

For some reason

[polar hill]

I know, I'm being idly speculative

[sacred ginkgo]

I think its just a unique swap anim for 2 shield weapons

[polar hill]

A part of me has to wonder if the shield has a toggle between--

My power just went out.

I'm asking too many questions.

[arctic talon]

Fatshark is listening

[languid meadow]

"In the lead-up to launch, we'l be releasing more reveals. We'll also be sharing more over the coming days, including a longer gameplay video on June 12. Additional dev blogs on the Arbites' talent tree, weapons, and more, will be published in the weeks prior to release."

[dapper gyro]

Seems like this is why they have to change the shotgun name from Lawbringer to something else, because now we get actual lawbringer shotgun.

[cinder pivot]

There will be a longer gameplay video and explanation of the Arbites loadout in the coming weeks, so answers could be found there. Obese fish trying to build up hype.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/520841474254833683?l=english

[languid meadow]

@cinder pivot

[cinder pivot]

Yes

[languid meadow]

??? what

[cinder pivot]

In the lead-up to launch, we'l be releasing more reveals. We'll also be sharing more over the coming days, including a longer gameplay video on June 12. Additional dev blogs on the Arbites' talent tree, weapons, and more, will be published in the weeks prior to release.

[sonic knot]

They already changed it's name almost a year ago

Its the zarona combat shotgun

The name changes also hit like a bazillion different things

And likely were done before arbites was even a thing they were planning

[sly ivy]

😔

[sly ivy]

Well shit

Maybe it’s time to fire up the ol dorktide again

[astral burrow]

Math went well

The rest sucked

[polar hill]

Gotta push X to doubt that, fren

There's so much work involved in developing and voicing a full-on class that the Arbites simply had to have been in production for at least a year

[sly ivy]

…. if it’s any consolation performance on quantitative exams is by far the highest fidelity predictor of general aptitude. I would hire someone with good math grades but crappy other grades in a heartbeat.

[astral burrow]

Too bad one subject won't get you into any university

[sly ivy]

😦 you might be surprised. US? UK? Other?

[cinder pivot]

American high school students riding on sport scholarships:

[opaque coyote]

Tbf those mfs usually also have good grades

Since, at least here in Cali, you need most of your grades to be good to actually qualify for sports scholarships.

[astral burrow]

Nah, I won't, you need a very good score in total, they don't care if you ace one subject

[celest willow]

Did blue berry girly man ever do anything unethical?

Bro seems like the only sane dude in the setting

[arctic talon]

Genocide

Mass murder

Torture

[rocky gale]

and he makes people pay taxes

[arctic talon]

Horrifying

The worst crime of all

[celest willow]

Wait when did he torture somebody?

[arctic talon]

He endorses the use of daemon hosts for getting info and has had excrutiation done under his order

Oh also he’s the current head of the imperium

So yknow

[celest willow]

Tbh I do think you could blame him for the imperiums bull crap if I tossed you in a room with zealous suicidal maniacs and told you your dad is dead

You would tweak out

[arctic talon]

I can blame him for everything else he did

Directly under his command

[celest willow]

yup

[arctic talon]

Rather then the stuff vaguely under his command

But he’s a horrible person

By any standard

[polar hill]

He once accidentally broke a pen while angry and had to get another one

[celest willow]

Also huh what’s that?

[arctic talon]

Excrutation is the fancy 40k term for torturing someone

And gathering info

[languid meadow]

Pay Taxes - President Kimball of the NCR

[celest willow]

No I mean the daemon hosts

[arctic talon]

Oh

It’s a daemon

Shoved into a Psyker

This basically tortures the Psyker

Guilliman had some daemonhoats made so he could interrogate the daemons

[celest willow]

Hmmm did he use free range psykers or pastor raged?

[polar hill]

Didn't this happen only once

And with a captured Daemonhost, at that

Not one he had made

[celest willow]

I know sometimes psykers canonically volunteer or be raised to do some dome imperium crap

So like jokes aside where the psykers forced or just volunteered as tribute practically?

[storm jungle]

Lmao no, always forced.

[arctic talon]

It happened again

[storm jungle]

Psykers are the next evolutionary step of humanity but they are considered "dangerous freaks" due to being prone to possession.

[arctic talon]

In the core rulebook lore this edition

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Guilliman needed info from nihlus lol

As in imperium nihlus

[storm jungle]

Okay thats funny

[arctic talon]

Fast

So his solution was “I don’t fucking care how you do it”

So the solution his underlings came up was

Summon a lord of change into a fucking Psyker

[storm jungle]

A WHAT

[arctic talon]

It did work

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Yeah they shoved a lord of change into a Psyker

And the Psyker fucking blew up

But yknow

He did get that info

Yet another guilliman W

We take those

[storm jungle]

Acceptable losses i guess

also said psyker:

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

guh

[celest willow]

Imagine randomly minding your own business and some blue armoured blonde guy shoves a Eldritch entity in your body

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[storm jungle]

I assume he volunteered

because primarch

[arctic talon]

It wasn’t the blue blonde guy

No lol

They fucking dragged a random ass Psyker

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

From an inqusitorial stronghold

[storm jungle]

okay that makes it even funnier, it wasnt even a "My lord, ill undertake this sacrifice"

[arctic talon]

And tortured them

To prepare them

[storm jungle]

Peak.

I love it

[arctic talon]

Anyways the Psyker was slated for execution anyways so I’d assume the logic was “let’s kill 2 birds with one stone”

[celest willow]

Ok you can’t blue Gulliman on this one use I just sounds like his underlings where just tweaking

[arctic talon]

From the people he asked that for

[polar hill]

"Alright bro, listen up, we need info fast. Come with us, we're going to shove a Greater Daemon into your head."

"What"

[arctic talon]

Tbh if you say “I don’t care how you do it”

[storm jungle]

Tbh guilliman aside

[arctic talon]

That is on you

[storm jungle]

I HATE the concept of using daemonhosts

[arctic talon]

I’m paraphrasing

[storm jungle]

it never ends up well

and always backfires

its so fucking stupid

[arctic talon]

But he did say “do it as fast as possible without causing horrific damage”

Tbh in terms of backfiring it only blew up

[near wasp]

Cultists aren't known for being well educated

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

I know it fits. I meant more why would you ever do this, are you dumb (the answer is yes)

[storm jungle]

Im talking about imperials

cultists already know they are damned

lmao

[near wasp]

Oh

[arctic talon]

The imperium is not known for making good decisions always

[storm jungle]

they dont give a fuck

[arctic talon]

Lol

[near wasp]

Ok but what about gman

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/gman-half-life-alyx-creepy-gif-16000932

Hes watching.

otherwise not much

goddamn creep

[near wasp]

I mean rowon garbanzobean

[polar hill]

Someone isn't going to understand this joke one day and I will be very sad

[celest willow]

Ok so worst thing bro did was xenocide

[arctic talon]

I mean

Genocide

[polar hill]

Xenocide.

[arctic talon]

He killed a bunch of humans as well lol

But yes xenocide and genocide

Same difference

[near wasp]

Acceptable casualties

[arctic talon]

Guilliman had a good compliance rate

Because if they didn’t surrender at the start

He’d just liquidate the worlds population

Lol

[storm jungle]

Xenophobia applies to humans too if we want ot use the term correctly

[arctic talon]

Guilliman a whole thing was efficiency

[storm jungle]

so checks out

[celest willow]

yay girly man is like the most ethical primarch(only committed genocide on multiple races)

[arctic talon]

During the great crusade

He gave you a chance to surrender, if you took it you lived

Anyone who didn’t take it was killed

Lol

You didn’t get a second chance

[storm jungle]

Also even if you surrender

[celest willow]

Which is funny cause he is know the imperiums HR department

[storm jungle]

enjoy your planet being turned into an industrial shitpit

[near wasp]

@celest willow they all did and to be fair xenos had been torturing humans worlds because they were isolated

[arctic talon]

Planet bowling ball

[storm jungle]

and getting choked of resources over centuries or decades

[arctic talon]

Not all the xenos

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Like

The imperium killed more peaceful xenos

Then hostile ones

Explicitly

Lol

[storm jungle]

There was about as many peaceful alien/human civilizations yeah

[arctic talon]

If we count all the peaceful civilizations the imperium wiped out

Including humans

It’s more peaceful then hostile

A lot of humans didn’t want to live under the imperium

So the imperium crushed them to dust

[storm jungle]

Its a play on the "they stabbed us in the back" WW2 thing

I forgot which HH book it was, i think one of the first 3 where we see a POV narration of some void trooper

[arctic talon]

I do like how Bligh has in black book 1 the whole thing on how

[near wasp]

Cut to Vulcan lighting a eldara child on fire

[arctic talon]

The imperium wiped out more peaceful civilizations

Then hostile ones

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Bligh is based

[arctic talon]

Because it’s easier to kill the ones not geared for war

Lol

[storm jungle]

after he passed the quality kinda dipped lol

[near wasp]

Some xenos were allowed to somewhat join the imperium

[storm jungle]

I mean no

they werent

LMAO

[arctic talon]

They were pretty much livestock

Lol

[storm jungle]

we got 1 single example, who got harvested to death

for uh, something in their body helping people not age as fast

[arctic talon]

Tbh that was illegal, but they were def going to be harvested regardless

And yeah it was for rejuve

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[arctic talon]

They were supposed to be kept around

To be farmed forever

[celest willow]

Someone how the supremacists are like the most peaceful faction in war hammer aka the elder

[arctic talon]

The eldar are not peaceful

Lol

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

minus Biel-Tan

lol

[celest willow]

most peaceful

[arctic talon]

Okay there we go

That’s better

[raven stone]

TFW you realise we will need an Arbites channel chat added

[storm jungle]

Craftworld Eldar dont attack unless they got no other choice

[arctic talon]

Me when military junta

[celest willow]

Never said peaceful

[arctic talon]

Beil’tan is based

Okay

They commit mass murder

And genocide

[storm jungle]

My favorite part is

even Biel'tan

send a warning first to a planet to leave

BEFORE they attack

lmao

[near wasp]

No other choice aka they predict your planet might one day endanger them

[arctic talon]

Well not always

It’s just most of the time

[storm jungle]

Planet, person, a group, it depends.

like, they are looking out for their own

[near wasp]

XD

[storm jungle]

because humans are space nazis

lmao

I dont really get why people get surprised they do what they do lol

[celest willow]

Hans, are we the baddies?

[storm jungle]

Everyone is bad

[arctic talon]

No we’re based/j

[near wasp]

Definitely

[storm jungle]

just pick the drippiest faction

[arctic talon]

And yeah literally everyone is evil

Pick your favorite evil faction

[storm jungle]

Eldar just got more reason to do what they do

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

compared to uh

[near wasp]

Even tau are evil

[storm jungle]

"I need your planet's population as slaves"

[near wasp]

Fuck even the leagues of votaan are evil

[arctic talon]

ZE MASTER RACE SHALL REIGN SUPREME

pick if this is tau or imperium

[celest willow]

I hate they wrote the tau to just be bad

[storm jungle]

Yeah but dwarves are based

[arctic talon]

I mean

[storm jungle]

so they get a pass

[arctic talon]

They always were bad

Lol

[celest willow]

They should have made the tau the only good guys

[arctic talon]

The tau have always been evil

[storm jungle]

Nah its better this way

[arctic talon]

They’re just like an irl evil

Lol

[near wasp]

Rock and stone sister

[storm jungle]

they get to shoot people in the face

[arctic talon]

Rather then

You know

Comical 40k evil

[storm jungle]

I do love how they just harvest planets while people are still on them

its peak

[arctic talon]

The tau are imperialistic militaristic racial supremacists

And think they’re “civilizing” people

[near wasp]

Them trying to harvest a Blackstone fortress brings me life

[celest willow]

The tau are also communist am pretty sure

[arctic talon]

It’s so funny

No

They’re not

Society is absurdly stratified

[near wasp]

They are not commies

[storm jungle]

they are not communist

[arctic talon]

The closest to commies is prolly gsc rusted cog

Tbh

[storm jungle]

thats a meme of internet dipshits

[arctic talon]

And even then

Not really

Also eldar are arguably more communist then the tau

[storm jungle]

Eldar are the closest i think

yeah that

[near wasp]

Tau are a classist feudalist monarcy

[arctic talon]

Post scarcity society

[arctic talon]

Feudalist oligarchy is more accurate imo

[near wasp]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

authoritarian

[near wasp]

You right

[storm jungle]

aka just china

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[near wasp]

Well authoritism is a big spectrum of things so it's easier to narrow it

[arctic talon]

The tau are more of an oligarchic authoritarian society due to the ethereal caste

Which is even further stratified

Even at the top you’ve got fucking ranks lol

The council behind the ethereal supreme is arguably stronger then the ethereal supreme themselves

Is the irony

[near wasp]

Maybe the enclaves are better but there like an exiled military

[storm jungle]

Ethereal O'bama and his drone strikes got my vote

🫡

[arctic talon]

It’s Shas O’bama

He’s a fire blade or some other fire caste member

[near wasp]

He drone striked gullimans wedding

[storm jungle]

good

fuck him and his "wife"

[celest willow]

Fr?

[celest willow]

China’s communist though?

Or am I wrong

[arctic talon]

At least get the tau name affixes right

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

On the surface

[arctic talon]

Communism with Chinese characteristics is as communist as the United States

Which is to say not really