40k-lore-chat

[sly ivy]

We better find out his arm is slowly turning black or something

[crystal forum]

emp would go to pound town so hard it would leave you crippled

[gray umbra]

Imperial prolapse 🙏

[sly ivy]

Bro was literally Alexander

[humble shoal]

I mean if I pretend its just a normal seord

[sly ivy]

U know them Greeks

[humble shoal]

I do

[tough haven]

Is the grotsnik book out yet? I’m dying for ork content

[humble shoal]

Dont ask the emperor where he was from 1931-1945

[storm jungle]

*vine boom sound*

[crystal forum]

he wasn't hitler, silly

he was himmler

[humble shoal]

No, he was rohm

[storm jungle]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/new

Nope still nothing

[humble shoal]

The gay one

[languid meadow]

The vacuous spider

[tough haven]

I see you can preorder it though

[glossy sonnet]

dealing with chaos followers ofc

[late osprey]

i think this works, its described that when a Patriarch FIRST lands on a planet, it does actually go on a bit of a Monster spree (where I was mistaken) and acts as a menace

[sly ivy]

How dare u but also how tru

[late osprey]

where it infects the first cult members and presumably kills those that can't be infected

[tough haven]

Or that are better off dead

[late osprey]

or are too much trouble to infect

yeah

[crystal forum]

emperor hiding in his cave rn rubbing his hands

all according to plan

[late osprey]

in RT the cult is ancient iirc

[humble shoal]

But the patriarch sneaks on from a planet doesnt it

[late osprey]

yeah it would have to

[tough haven]

Yeah it will be ambiguous how old this log is

[humble shoal]

Like recently

Its in one of the act 4 flaver texts for jesevon

[tough haven]

No in RT it’s from cargo from a ship from the calixus sector

A third of it ends up on our ship

[crystal forum]

what if the patriarch sends eggs onboard ships to other planets

[humble shoal]

"We found their hideout, but oddly no patriarch"

[crystal forum]

or the cult brings eggs

[tough haven]

A third on a ship headed to footfall

A third to dargonus

[humble shoal]

Byeah

[late osprey]

that's more or less what they do iirc

i can't find a better version of this

[humble shoal]

Yup I blame montag

[late osprey]

but if you squint you can read

[humble shoal]

Killed his daughters

[spare osprey]

the space marine eldar yaoi here and there is nice

[tough haven]

So is the genestealers kiss in the throat, or outside on the neck?

[languid meadow]

Speaking of aliens that do freaky things to you

[tough haven]

Do they play tonsil hockey or no

[languid meadow]

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1930705720992763974 yippie !

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

The ‘ALIEN: ROMULUS’ sequel will begin filming this Fall.

(Source: https://t.co/mnVxj7wq63)

X · Jun 5, 2025, 7:18 PM

[tough haven]

Tryna figure out how to describe it

[spare osprey]

ain't alien earth comin out in august too?

[languid meadow]

Yeah

Trailer just dropped

Looks cool

[late osprey]

its in the throat

[spare osprey]

and the predator stuff

[polar hill]

If he did involve himself(which last I heard, he didn't), which would be cooler: him fighting for the Allies or him ensuring the Axises failure from the inside, Schindler style?

[tough haven]

Doesn’t it leave a mark though on the outside?

[late osprey]

i don't think so

[late osprey]

early-gen GS lore is so freaky im starting to remember

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genestealer#Reproduction

[crystal forum]

hot

[crystal forum]

stay in your box

[languid meadow]

I mean GS are just xenomorph ripoffs so of course their old lore Is gonna be freaky

Xenomorphs are still freaky now

[late osprey]

no i dont mean old lore

like the lore about when patriarchs show up + the first members

[polar hill]

They're really not xenomorph rip-offs ngl. They're obviously inspired by xenomorphs in terms of artistic design, but they function completely differently as species

[spare osprey]

[storm jungle]

Yeah the only ripoff was in their VERY VERY first appearance in Rogue Trader, down to literally bursting out of the chest of their victims.

The only xenomoroh thing remaining about Nids/Genestealers rn is the long crested head which is more of an homage at this point

[sly ivy]

Wat

The whole jointed exoskeleton thing

[storm jungle]

I mean it is

its literally in the earliest concept art notes lol

this was like way back in 5th when Cirello/Goodwin were re-designing the entire range too kek

[sly ivy]

No I mean there’s much more to their design that’s obviously just Alien

Even now

The jointed exoskeleton, the ribs on the outside

The long tail with a blade on the end

They’re just temu Alien through and through

[storm jungle]

Kinda, their design is a lot more indepth beyond that stuff

its explored pretty well in like a 6 page-spread from last year by the designers too

[late osprey]

the more time goes on the less Alien Xenomorph stuff is present, among various other references imo

[storm jungle]

^

[sly ivy]

idk about that

[storm jungle]

Let me get the pages i guess

[sly ivy]

I think current warriors are MORE alien like than early warriors

[polar hill]

Okay I was starting to think you were going somewhere but that's just crazy talk

[sly ivy]

Like

Sorry but the bottom one is way more Alien coded

[polar hill]

[storm jungle]

If anyone has time to read these

its ridiculously in-depth

[spare osprey]

is there a pillbug nid

i kinda want there to be

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

I know why they have the basic rule of 6 limbs only. Because it's similar for most insects.

But I wonder why there isn't at least one spider based one with 8

Also because spiders are terrifying.

[spare osprey]

pillbug nid that launches rippers

hire me gw

[late osprey]

the gun page states that fleshborer looks close to the bolt pistol because it was designed to be analogous to it, that implies on some level the hive mind copies things it observes

[opaque coyote]

Or even a centipede based Tyranid.

[late osprey]

sorta like how we copy designs from nature

[storm jungle]

Because tyranids are not inherently insectoid

their inspirations are all over the place

ironically they are more crab-like lol

[opaque coyote]

True. I know that. Just feel like they would have a varying number of limbs as a result.

[late osprey]

they actually say why in the image dump

[storm jungle]

^

[spare osprey]

you will not convince me to paint my nids as coconut crabs

[late osprey]

it's not about the insect thing, it's about a universal visual motif

in design it's how you avoid accidentally making something too different from the others in a set

[opaque coyote]

...OF FUCKING COUR-

It always goes back to Carcanization

In the end

True enough, crabs will always exist even when the warp is gone

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough.

[opaque coyote]

The venom cannons kinda remind me of Eldar weaponry?

hold on lemme check

Drukhari weaponry to be precise

Like they look similar, especially the disintegrator cannon.

Accident or purposeful similar to how the Fleshborer looks like the bolt pistol?

I mean on one hand, it might just be "they're both super malicious so they must have a similar aesthetic"

Or it could be the Tyranids copying one of the most advanced races in the setting

[late osprey]

i think there's something to the idea that the hive mind replicates designs it finds effective

and that naturally extends to most of the guns probably having their source in observing enemies, human or eldar

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think a good chunk of their weaponry look similar to Eldar

[late osprey]

it's also a cool bit of lore that tyranids don't have anything like homeostasis and have a completely different means of managing their temperature

[opaque coyote]

Which makes sense, since the Eldar are basically the second most advanced generally.

1. Necrons
2. Drukhari
3. Craftworlders
4. Votann
5. Imperium/Tau (I honestly think they're kinda interchangable in terms of tech advancement)

[crystal forum]

it sure is easy to make up biological systems when you aren't bound by reality

[opaque coyote]

It's fun

Just look at the xenomorph life cycle

the film makers definitely had fun with making up shit

"Hmmm and what should the creature do after injecting the egg inside the host?"

"die lol"

"Brilliant!"

[late osprey]

tyranids seemingly aren't ever meant to be as biologically sturdy as real animals

they're meant to do their purpose, die, and be recycled

[opaque coyote]

Again, definitely a bioweapon run rampant.

Although from what, who, and why is another story.

It's definitely not natural

[crystal forum]

by that logic then worker ants are bioweapons

[sly ivy]

All looks like variations on Alien to me

[late osprey]

agree to disagree

[opaque coyote]

Fair, but I doubt worker ants can shoot biological guns and consume entire planets.

[crystal forum]

excuse me

[opaque coyote]

Then again I don't know a lot about ants

[sly ivy]

Fat alien, winged alien, gun alien

[opaque coyote]

I know there's a species of ants that instinctually does agriculture which is wild

[opaque coyote]

...fair enough.

[crystal forum]

that is literally acid

[opaque coyote]

nvm then

the tyranids could just be natural

...

that is actually more terrifying than if they were a bioweapon

since it implies that the milky way galaxy might be completely tame

[crystal forum]

whatever nids are meant to imply we will never know

[opaque coyote]

which is a terrifying thought that 40k is like

the least bad on how shit could go

"Don't worry! It can get worse!"

[opaque coyote]

eh not really, too spikey.

[spare osprey]

THEYRE RUNNING FROM SOMETHING BIGGER AHHHHHHHHH

[opaque coyote]

no smooth head

[opaque coyote]

Honestly despite that... I can't even call it a theory since there's zero evidence

idea

Actually being interesting. The problem is that it's also cheap to just say that.

[spare osprey]

only slightly

[crystal forum]

it's cheap to say anything about their origin since we literally know nothing

[opaque coyote]

You either need to develop it, which makes the tyranids lamer

and they already have trouble enough as it is

or it's just a lame throwaway line

[sly ivy]

I guess I have lived long enough to kind of have seen the Alien design filter through everything

Like look at alien designs pre Giger

[crystal forum]

just think about the energy requirements for a giant bio organism to go to another galaxy without any food or even sunlight to power itself during the journey. it could have arrived to a galaxy that had no life at all

[sly ivy]

Alien influence has become so pervasive we barely notice it

[opaque coyote]

I am gonna be controversial here.

I like the idea of the Hivemind having emotions? Like I don't like them being annoyed at a specific SM chapter (although it is kinda funny).

But I think having more character than just an unknown eldritch force, although it decays the mystery a bit, could have potential.

[sly ivy]

But the whole vertebrate looking thing with a bulbous head and sharp teeth and also an exoskeleton but the exoskeleton kind of looks like an endoskeleton

And long tail

[crystal forum]

i would like anything to be done with nids

[sly ivy]

Just didn’t exist pre alien

[storm jungle]

Not enough porno designs for Nids to be Alien

minus maybe the uhh

horsecock gun

[sly ivy]

It was all stuff that looked like lizards or stuff that looked like literal bugs

Really go look

Or jellyfish or weird men

[crystal forum]

i love how literally all alien porn is straight

[opaque coyote]

Tbf HR Giger had a lot of that type of shit in his art.

Generally his design was unique by including more biological and sexual aspects to horror.

[crystal forum]

why is that a thing

[opaque coyote]

Rather than before where it's

[crystal forum]

a mystery of the universe

[opaque coyote]

"GREY MAN WITH GUN!!"

[storm jungle]

because the xenomorph is inherently "male" coded

its phallic

and has a lot of dick aesthetic

[crystal forum]

and i like that

[storm jungle]

Same

[final spruce]

I mean the point of the first Alien is literally the male predator

[crystal forum]

no you dont

[sly ivy]

Yeah I mean before his influence designs of aliens had basically none of that stuff

[crystal forum]

you eat taco

[final spruce]

Also hello Dilara

[storm jungle]

hey Zherlum

[final spruce]

Long time no see 👋

[storm jungle]

havent seen you here in like 10 years

[crystal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-movie-enter-the-gif-14899370

[final spruce]

Yeah, life goes on, glad to see you still here educating peeps

[sly ivy]

Find a pre Alien piece of sci fi art that looks anything like Alien or a tyranid or whatever.

[spare osprey]

tos ee

[opaque coyote]

I think the facehugger kinda represents like a Umblicial Cord, with it "dying" basically being similar to how we detach it when it's born.

[storm jungle]

Its a vagina

[sly ivy]

that’s what I mean by the tyranids’ being fundamentally Alien inspired

[storm jungle]

mixed with a dick

[crystal forum]

it's a zenis

[opaque coyote]

A vagina and umblicial cord combo

[storm jungle]

yeee

like

FYI geiger came up with the entire xenomorph artwork/design after he got|| spitroasted by two trans dominatrixes in the 90's||

[crystal forum]

it is 0% vagina

[storm jungle]

so the inspiration is a lot lol

[crystal forum]

i have seen enough dicks

[opaque coyote]

10/10

[vital kernel]

Its nasty

[spare osprey]

as one does

[crystal forum]

based

[sly ivy]

“Oh he likes you Burke”

[storm jungle]

ikr

[final spruce]

Wild backstory but fitting of this month

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though, he is a master at making this type of horror

And it is genuinely disturbing

and I love it

His art is great, I am a huge fan.

[sly ivy]

Bro was quite the guy

Quite the guy

[crystal forum]

i have no idea what he did apart from storyboard for alien

[storm jungle]

A ton of concept art

[sly ivy]

Yeah he is one of the most important artists ever imho

[late osprey]

he's a painter

[storm jungle]

he was really involved with the project

[crystal forum]

for what other franchise

[sly ivy]

Also sculpted

[crystal forum]

i only know him from alien

[storm jungle]

Alien, Species, and some other minor movies

he was too busy cooking

🗣️

WAITER, MORE PHALLIC

[crystal forum]

wasn't species like bordeline a porno

[storm jungle]

I mean

[late osprey]

i dont know if he worked on Scorn but its very reminiscent

[crystal forum]

im pretty sure he dead

[opaque coyote]

Bro was apparently involved with the first 3 alien movies

The Queen, the Dog Alien

[sly ivy]

He dead

[opaque coyote]

in 2014

RIP

[sly ivy]

Spitroasted by the mortal coil

[storm jungle]

Scorn was way after his death

[crystal forum]

now he's being spitroasted in heaven

[opaque coyote]

Nah. Inspired though

[storm jungle]

LMAO

💀

[opaque coyote]

Trans Dominatrix Angels

wow

[spare osprey]

didn't know he sculpted, but ts is hilarious

[crystal forum]

if only scorn wasn't so disappointing

[sly ivy]

False u were born b4 he died and ur the avatar of scorn

[vital kernel]

Then whats in hell?

[spare osprey]

the 10,000 bees

[opaque coyote]

...I just notice that it has lips

Wait does it in them ovie

hold on

[crystal forum]

im scared and aroused

[opaque coyote]

Nope

[spare osprey]

that's the pose he was hittin

[opaque coyote]

this mf has lips

[vital kernel]

Thats not the 1:1 movie alien

[opaque coyote]

it's a special one

probably made for concept

[crystal forum]

the movie franchise alien was started by a lot of suit limitations

it couldn't be adapted 1:1

[opaque coyote]

...is it weird that the lips actually disturb me

[vital kernel]

Looks more like a tribute art piece

[opaque coyote]

like seeing such a human feature in an inhuman creature

[crystal forum]

but they're so kissable

[vagrant fox]

He modelled the lips after Michelle Pfieffer or whatevers

[storm jungle]

thats the rejected Alien 3 xenomorph

it would kiss people, shove its tongue down their throat, and rip out their organs

pretty hot

[spare osprey]

oh hell nah

[opaque coyote]

...god i'm just imagining the Aliens scene where the xenomorph swarms the marines with just

[crystal forum]

[opaque coyote]

kissing noises

[storm jungle]

Its the intention

its suppose to be offputting

[opaque coyote]

It's working

[storm jungle]

HEHE

[opaque coyote]

I mean honestly that's kind of the vibe I had for the second mouth

[crystal forum]

jokes in them it takes a lot to offput me

[spare osprey]

i'm kinda like, imagining a ricardo xenomorph now

[opaque coyote]

Like it's supposed to simulate a deadly form of tongue kissing

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-adventure-time-kiss-kiss-hand-my-lady-gif-26882340

[opaque coyote]

So it makes sense that they'd go with that

[crystal forum]

the whole shoving tongue down throat thing is literally the gayest shit i've ever heard

from experience

[opaque coyote]

Honestly y'know the old concept with the original Alien movie where they transform dead bodies into eggs?

I can imagine this "lips" alien as like another form for reproduction @storm jungle

Like an alternative way other than the facehugger to implant the embyro

[storm jungle]

Well in this case no but it depends i guess

the O.G idea for alien reproduction was also wild since they didnt have the concept of a "queen" yet until Movie 2

[opaque coyote]

yeah ik that's not the original purpose, just kinda what I was thinking if it was ever used

[crystal forum]

queens kinda suck

[opaque coyote]

I like the idea of the OG idea being used if there's no queen

[storm jungle]

Idk man i like big women

[storm jungle]

Thats canon actually, so you arent far off

[crystal forum]

i didn't notice

especially from your "fan art"

[spare osprey]

where my xenomorph kings at, misandry out and about smh

[opaque coyote]

The queen in Alien 4 is the only time I felt bad for a Xenomorph.

Imagine literally going through the pain of childbirth, only for your baby to slice your head off.

[crystal forum]

fighting the predator

[opaque coyote]

It even cooed to it

[crystal forum]

anyone remember the predalien

[spare osprey]

result of that "fighting"

[crystal forum]

or whatever the weird thing from that alien vs predator movie was

no not that

the uh

pregalien

[storm jungle]

you mean

the Newborn?

[crystal forum]

from the weirdest fucking kink scene i've seen in a movie

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

AvP 1 was awesome

...

[crystal forum]

the alien that shoves eggs down the mouthes of young women in a hospital

[opaque coyote]

there is no second movie

there is no second movie

I repeat

[spare osprey]

ain't the newborn human

[vital kernel]

How did we get here again? GSC to Alien connection?

[storm jungle]

Yea.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that one is a genuinely digusting design

[storm jungle]

That scene was fucked up lmao

[opaque coyote]

I like it

[storm jungle]

also not even young women

PREGNANT women

[spare osprey]

god

[opaque coyote]

...at least the new babies have a snack

[storm jungle]

💀

[spare osprey]

can i just say

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/-DCABet8BDo?si=72uzZf3nBq9bzLTq

this ine

[opaque coyote]

Again the first AvP is genuinely one of my favorites. It ain't even a guilty pleasure. I just like it.

Requiem sucks.

[spare osprey]

for the record, the offspring totally DID NOT scare me when i saw romulus

not at all nope

[opaque coyote]

what the FUCK IS THAT

WHAT THE FUCK

I tihnk I got spoiled

but also WHAT THE FUCK

mf looks like beef jerky

I hate it

[spare osprey]

worst fucking thing EVER

[opaque coyote]

Reminds me of the hollows in Dark Souls

[spare osprey]

mind you it got that big in like 2 minutes

[opaque coyote]

Ah HELL NAH

Plasma gun

to the face

Heavy Flamer

[crystal forum]

beheheheh best part of the movie

[opaque coyote]

fucking

whatever

Get a Volkite Blaster

[crystal forum]

it's straight up stolen from a generic creepypasta

but all modern horror is just stolen from internet horror so whatever

[opaque coyote]

Horror steals from each other

Goes for Art

in general

[crystal forum]

shut

[opaque coyote]

Art is just stealing ideas, and making them work with your own vision.

[spare osprey]

i saw it with a friend and in his words when it showed on screen i "had a spasm"

[opaque coyote]

With EFFORT

mind you

SHUT UP AI BROS

[languid meadow]

I do find it funny that the actor is just that tall

[opaque coyote]

HUH

[opaque coyote]

HUH??????

[crystal forum]

i thought it was CGI

[opaque coyote]

IS THIS MOTHERFUCKER SLENDERMAN'S KID???

HOW THE FUCK

[spare osprey]

dude plays basketball and just did this for kicks

monster actors are smth bro

[opaque coyote]

bro won the lottery

in terms of genetics

[crystal forum]

it was really unexpected ysah

at the very end when you think everything is ok

the movie just doesn't let you breathe

[storm jungle]

its because even though we've seen the concept before its still just fucking creepy

[spare osprey]

shout out to the goat doug jones

[umbral kraken]

the virus-related xenomorph-like creatures are kinda cringe imo

[crystal forum]

especially since it's not what you'd expect from an alien movie

[spare osprey]

genuinely

he just kept stuttering "what the fuck is that"

best movie ever

[crystal forum]

the fact that it comes out of nowhere and is a very different kind of horror than the rest of the movie

and the actor moves so weirdly

i really thought it was CGI

[spare osprey]

the way it stands is fucked

actually hate it

[crystal forum]

i fucking love when it dies

best payoff ever

[umbral kraken]

it's a lot like the newborn from alien resurrection

[crystal forum]

nah fuck that movie

[umbral kraken]

it is tho

[crystal forum]

that thing wasn't scary at all

and it was only on screen for a second

[spare osprey]

both human alien thingys.

this just genuinely scared me

fuckin offspring

[crystal forum]

i too hate babies

[spare osprey]

killed his mom first thing too

ungrateful

[umbral kraken]

the newborn literally spawned and killed an alien queen and its mother

[languid meadow]

yeah but the newborn is in a bad movie

[umbral kraken]

the alien hybrid stuff was silly then and it's sillier now because it's some ancient virus from the space jockeys which are now human-like jesus creatures

[languid meadow]

the offspring is in a cooler movie

[crystal forum]

i like seeing people die

i don't care about engineer lore

[umbral kraken]

that's basically the problem

[crystal forum]

alien has literally never had good lore

[umbral kraken]

the movies were all that you needed

oh well. they're making an alien earth thing now too

[crystal forum]

and only 2 of the movies were good

[umbral kraken]

alien 3 is good it's just too depressing

[crystal forum]

i've seen them all and i disagree

i think people really want to make alien franchise look better than it is

[umbral kraken]

it has two diamond-like quality movies

and a couple games that are the same

most franchises cant even get one

[humble shoal]

You know what movie had the best lore

Big trouble little china

[late osprey]

the deleted scene LOL

"we sent down Jesus Christ and since your ancestors killed him, because we're super enlightened and benevolent, we're gonna exterminate all of you"

[umbral kraken]

it's glorped up

wtf i just learned about the "Fulfremmen" in the prometheus lore line. what is even going on these days

[astral burrow]

Finished skeleton crew

So peak

[crystal forum]

kurt russel 🙏

[humble shoal]

And the giant dude on the hong kong swat team

[crystal forum]

also tiny chinese man who is in every 80's D list movie

[humble shoal]

And a playboy model as the love interest with 0 personality other than being damsel in distress.

[crystal forum]

escape from new york is a bizarrely good movie

it's straight to the point in a way i really enjoy

no bullshit

[vital kernel]

A genuinely good movie is a rare commodity.

[languid meadow]

every day I wake up and pray on the minotaurs downfall

[vital kernel]

Why?

[languid meadow]

boring assholish faction and I keep running into their fans and like 90% of said interactions have been annoying

[astral burrow]

Skeleton crew was peak

Top 2 star wars media

I want more

[humble shoal]

What bro you dont like iron warriors

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/house-dancing-in-front-of-deaf-patients-room-fight-the-power-house-in-shades-hugh-laurie-house-md-gif-20407298

[humble shoal]

And bitches who cant do nuffin without their whole posse

And fold against an equivilent force

[languid meadow]

At least iron warriors have utilitarian swag and not "muh greeks"

[humble shoal]

Minotaurs are more peturabo than the iron warriors

Olympia headass

[astral burrow]

Minatours?

A marine chapter?

[storm jungle]

They are a imperial guard regiment

[languid meadow]

many such cases

[astral burrow]

Sounds peak

[humble shoal]

Theyre actually more than one space marine chapter

Wish they actually tried against the custodes would have been funny

[languid meadow]

also minotaurs fall into the same category that the Carcharodons fall into, their fans hype up their chapter masters via one sentence of lore.

[storm jungle]

god I hate that bit

[languid meadow]

I HATE Moloch so much

[storm jungle]

"HES 200FT TALL"

Lore: literally one head height

[astral burrow]

That looks so

Ugly and generic

[humble shoal]

Moloch is the size of a warhound titan

[astral burrow]

I never liked abs in armor

[humble shoal]

Still not sure how they arent worldeaters

[astral burrow]

How does he even move the head

[humble shoal]

Considiering the rage problem

[astral burrow]

What the fuck

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes titan sized

[astral burrow]

That's a marine chapter leader?

[languid meadow]

Valerian says "huh Idk how a fight between me and him would go" also Valerian "I'm not the best fighter in the custodes" YOU DON'T GET IT GUYS MOLOCH COULD KILL AND EAT ALL CUSTODES

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-squarepants-angry-ripping-gif-25651719

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[humble shoal]

Tyberos is the size of an imperial battleship

[storm jungle]

that excerpt is great because it gets both minotaurs and custodian fans mad

[vital kernel]

Welcome to prime 2005 core

[storm jungle]

the latter cries like a bitch at any of their members dying in a book

[humble shoal]

The space sharks are actually on tyberos the whole time

[languid meadow]

GW give me more clown stories and life is yours

[vital kernel]

Tyberos is like Mata Nui

[humble shoal]

Give an aisha story

[astral burrow]

Omg minatours are so ugly

Those pauldrons

[languid meadow]

The best part of being a fan of both these factions is seeing the cope both express

[storm jungle]

Custodian fans are another breed

[astral burrow]

Moloch does have a very unique looking armor at least

[humble shoal]

I like to thinkvthe tts custodes fear of clowns is canon

[astral burrow]

And not just space marine armor with doohickeys attached on it

did minatours turn traitor during the Horus heresy?

[humble shoal]

Not a legion

Theyre from the 21st founding

[astral burrow]

Was moloch present?

[humble shoal]

No

[astral burrow]

In Horus heresy

Bruh

[vital kernel]

For those too young to know what mata nui is

[astral burrow]

They had a 200 feet tall marine chapter master and he just didn't show up to the biggest marine event ever with like 50 books?

[vagrant fox]

me fr fr, custodes should dominate everything except the clowns

[humble shoal]

Horus Heresy is only first founding chapters

[astral burrow]

Minatours became a thing after the heresy?

[humble shoal]

Except for the space sharks and minotaurs because of their planet sized chapter masters

[outer wave]

Why does he say "Muh-Muh-Muh--Muhhh!!"?

[humble shoal]

Yeah the space marine lgeions were split into chapters

In the second founding

Minotaurs are the 21st founding

[astral burrow]

Where was moloch?

[humble shoal]

After the 21st founding

[astral burrow]

Did he just not exist before that?

[humble shoal]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

Bruh

[humble shoal]

Because the 21st founding happened lile 10k years after the horus heresy

[astral burrow]

How does a 200 feet tall giant guy come to being? Who even made his armor? Why does he have a normal mini

[languid meadow]

Unironically I think the best custodes moments is just them talking and being normal (well normal for an immortal super human)

[astral burrow]

He must be pretty young then

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh my gods did you actually take that at face value

[languid meadow]

I love how they're more than just big guys and gals that kill

[astral burrow]

You people have been talking about him planet sized and giant for like 3 times by now

[storm jungle]

Krait not knowing lore + yap-questioning about stuff he just cant google go hand i nhand

[astral burrow]

What did you expect

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[astral burrow]

I did

lexi said nothing about his size

[humble shoal]

... its a joke

[astral burrow]

Could have said so cuz I know 40k does have planet sized shit

[sacred ginkgo]

Did you miss this part

[humble shoal]

Not people

[astral burrow]

Planet sized chapter master doesn't sound like the craziest thing

[astral burrow]

one head height I have no idea wtf that meant

Like, one head is extremely short

That's like 20 cm

[humble shoal]

It means they are one head over average sm

[sacred ginkgo]

Mhm

Exactly

[languid meadow]

yeah that's grimnar WOOO SPACE WOLVES #1 ! ! ! !

[humble shoal]

Like 5 inches taller

[astral burrow]

So he is comically tiny?

Ah

He is just normal then

Well that's lame

[humble shoal]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

At least he has a unique looking armor

[humble shoal]

But people hype them up and make them bigger

[astral burrow]

That helmet is kinda cool

The rest sucks tho

[storm jungle]

[astral burrow]

But at least it is not just another marine armor

[humble shoal]

Ive heard people unironically say that they were 20 feet

[vital kernel]

Who

[astral burrow]

Why would u lie about your fav characters height

[humble shoal]

Idiot

[astral burrow]

Make up feats or smth

[storm jungle]

Its like those idiots who hype up titan sizes to be mountains

not realising how actually tall "normal" titans even are

[languid meadow]

people are bad at judging size but also people love lying

[storm jungle]

^

its just dick measuring

[languid meadow]

that's why Orikan X Trazyn is canon

[humble shoal]

Every time I pull up the height chart

Like 7 ft is tall enough to be freakishly big

Vulkan is like 14 ft

[astral burrow]

Do they think moloch is packing a 5 feet dong

[vital kernel]

Things getting taller is just typical power creep

[storm jungle]

Probably.

[humble shoal]

See that spear

Its not a spear

[languid meadow]

considering the amount of hormones that gets pumped into a space marine they shit is disheveled

[astral burrow]

Me when I see the shortest possible zealot

[humble shoal]

[astral burrow]

Literal gremlin

[tough haven]

Literally

[astral burrow]

I love being tall in game

[humble shoal]

Arent primaris taller than sm?

[storm jungle]

they are by like

2ft

[tough haven]

By like 0.5-1ft

[astral burrow]

Aren't primaris also SM

[tough haven]

It’s not a crazy amount

[humble shoal]

So they custodes sized

[vital kernel]

Taller, stronger, faster, sturdier, smarter.

[tough haven]

Yes, just newer flavor

[astral burrow]

Do normal marines also have the third lung and second heart

[tough haven]

Slightly less so I think

[tough haven]

Yes

[astral burrow]

Sick

[tough haven]

I think primaris got like 2 new organs

[storm jungle]

Kruber for size comparison

[vital kernel]

Yes but they are worse. Primaris have like an infinity engine in their belly.

[languid meadow]

Kruber is baseline anything he's just him

[storm jungle]

he IS Him

[astral burrow]

Damn they got karlach

[astral burrow]

Is he really 5 feet tall

Amazing

[vital kernel]

Yeah like that, it makes them basically immortal if the author needs them to be.

[astral burrow]

How tall is kerillean?

[storm jungle]

150 cm

Shes not that tall

[vital kernel]

Kerillian is about 1.85 when standing upright? She got a tall helmet

[astral burrow]

Oh...

[astral burrow]

Doesn't she have a hood?

[humble shoal]

What if they just shoved soulstones in sm

[astral burrow]

Damn why does stromcast vary so much

That's a huge difference

[astral burrow]

Well she is still pretty

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Because different units

[humble shoal]

Kerillian queen of ales

[astral burrow]

Ale like the drink?

[humble shoal]

Yeah, she is also cousin okri

[languid meadow]

I never realized this but it feels weird

[storm jungle]

no Ale like the toilet

[astral burrow]

She is an alcoholic??

Based

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[humble shoal]

Yes

[storm jungle]

also a recovering ketamine addict

[languid meadow]

everyone is in WHF

[humble shoal]

And a lightweight

That bar quest is the best

Wish I could play it year round

[astral burrow]

She really is like my friend smh smh

[vital kernel]

Reviewing side by sides in screenshots, kerillian seema only marginally shorter than Kruber, so 1.8m at least

Unleas kruber is 1.6m himself

[vagrant fox]

Titan sizes are wack, doesn't one switch from ~50 to 140 meters tall all of a sudden in a novel

[astral burrow]

The chart said 5 feet

[vital kernel]

Chart?
I'm going off this

[astral burrow]

Oh kerillian is voiced by alt Cunningham

[astral burrow]

This chart

[vital kernel]

That explains why I didn't see it. Guess kruber is just tiny then.

[astral burrow]

Wiki calls her 150 cm, a value they got from a mod

Short king

What is the dwarf then

2 feet?

2'6?

Yeah Marcus is 165

[vital kernel]

If kerillian is 1.50m with a figure like hers she'd look like a child in real life.

[astral burrow]

Bardin is 130

Not as short as I expected

[vital kernel]

But hes half the size of kruber

[astral burrow]

Petite people exist really

[vital kernel]

So it would be 90cm

[astral burrow]

Those are values gotten by a mod that gives the in game heights

So idk

Eyes playing tricks

[vital kernel]

Sure, but she doesn't look that small in contrast of the game.

[astral burrow]

When everyone is short, not much to compare to

I guess height standard in AoS are low?

I kinda wanna reinstall and play kerillian but when I picked the dwarf again last time the game didn't give me any tutorials or anything and I was lost lol

If I finish the prologue and pick kerillian, will I get a tutorial?

[vital kernel]

Vermintide 2? If you have played Darktide you shouldn't need any tutorial.

Vermtide 2 has a tutorial level on start, vermtide 1 didn't I think

[paper haven]

GW doesn't understand scale

[dapper gyro]

If kerillian is that tiny, I scare that I would break her simply by lifting her up.

[storm jungle]

no

[dapper gyro]

Tiny people, pop pop pop.

[humble shoal]

Now that I think about it kruber and kerillian worship the same god now dont they

[storm jungle]

Does the current Kerillian worship Lileath?

if so yes lol

[humble shoal]

Thought she still worshipped lileath

[storm jungle]

Im not up to date with Verminlake lore atm

[humble shoal]

Depends on if sot or not

Sister of Thorns worships ariel?

[storm jungle]

they are her handmaidens so id assume so

[humble shoal]

Which also means she is now the true lumberfoot

Then again wastes she still calls out for lileath

Sienna becomes a slave of nagash

[storm jungle]

based

https://tenor.com/view/bonezone-dancing-skeleton-gif-15509355211278610936

[humble shoal]

Bardin becomes an attack helicopter

And honestly not sure if salt is promoted or demoted by becoming a warrior priest.

[late osprey]

both wood and high elves are polytheistic

they believe their deities have domains, and so call upon them accordingly depending on

i believe the dark elves are, as well, but to a lesser extent

[humble shoal]

Yes but her other careers explicitly say she is a servant of lilieth

[late osprey]

Then in her case it may be monolatry, in either case it doesn't preclude her from begging relevant deities for help or assistance

[arctic talon]

Wait they gave Dr. Doom a gun in Tokon lol

[young pecan]

Yeah a greek warrior would, for example, probably not want to mention Aries' name when he wants safe passage over waters

[late osprey]

yeah, and being part of the Cult of Poseidon doesn't suddenly make Poseidon the god you pray to for Law (Zeus) or might (Ares)

[arctic talon]

Owlcat should have kept in the line of the Rogue Trader being Theodora's 5th cousin 7 times removed

thats funny as shit lol

[queen laurel]

man damn

We that far away from the tree huh

[arctic talon]

Close enough for the sentry to work

I wonder at what point in the family tree it wouldn't work anymore

[queen laurel]

yeah that is true

[late osprey]

we do get the answer sort of when the guy gets mutated enough that it doesn't work for him anymore

hence why he has to kidnap you in the first place

[arctic talon]

tbh chaos mutation fucking with it makes sense

but thats less a case of the DNA is barely there

and more of a case of your DNA is super fucked up imo

[late osprey]

DNA being super fucked up, to me, is identical to it being changed to be very far from what genetics were acceptable by the robot

even if its the product of spooky space satan

[arctic talon]

Fair

[plush mason]

ngl i still wonder why she had such distant relatives living on the other side of the maw

[arctic talon]

well

some Rogue traders probably get around

if one Rogue trader in the past

had a ton of kids

yknow

[queen laurel]

i would not be surprised if some random Grunt in a backwater planet is eligible for rogue trader leadership because his blood is somehow pure enough to register

the reason being is that the original rt probably shagged some random local out of boredom

[arctic talon]

the Chorda dynasty had like

a ton of potential sucessors

[late osprey]

even when they don't, in a relatively short amount of time (by 40k standards) blood relations get ridiculously far-flung

for example how many people are related to the British Royal Family

although considering the average Rogue Trader's character, they most probably do get around

[burnt jackal]

based

[dusky beacon]

Would yall say Pulse weapons are better than Las weapons?

[celest dome]

The Tau stuff ?

100% yes

[astral burrow]

The systems, the hub area, crafting, skills

[vital kernel]

Just like.. experiment and explore. Thats half the content of that game so enjoy it while its unfamiliar.

[arctic talon]

They’re objectively better lore wise aside from fire rate

Pulse rifles are around bolter territory

If not better in some metrics

[vital kernel]

In most situations yes by a mile.
But las weaponry as standard issue for the Guard is far and above more effective.

[arctic talon]

Pulse weapons would be a nightmare for the guard

They’re harder to use

Have recoil

Solid ammo that needs frequentish reloads

Ect.

[shadow plover]

VT and DT do have a bunch of caveats that are never explained outright which might be something a player would like to know though

[vital kernel]

We have no idea how sensitive tau tech is to wear and tear, how ammo effective etc.
Las is very much a grunts weapon.

[arctic talon]

Well we know the ammo is really effective at killing power armored targets

Based on Damocles, elemental council, SM 8e codex, chalnath

A pulse rifle can crack through power armor without too much issue

Pulse carbines/non rifles/heavy weapons can with some more shots

[late osprey]

Yeah but in the Attrition Question it's not entirely known

[arctic talon]

Well the answer is long term wear and tear is rough on them but they’ll still fire

The pathfinders in elemental council are pretty beat up gear wise but the pulse carbines still work

[late osprey]

that makes sense

[arctic talon]

But that could just be a case of pulse carbines at engineered better

For wear and tear

[late osprey]

still, i might imagine they'll break first because Tau doctrine disfavors prolonged operations in the first place

[arctic talon]

Def

The pathfinders are complaining a ton

About running low on ammo against human insurgents

[late osprey]

sorta like how modern western arms are comparatively much more complex compared to say

the arms issued in WW1 or something

[arctic talon]

Mhm

Also pulse carbines have the uh

Issue of ammo conservation thing going on lore wise

[late osprey]

modern doctrine is just mobile enough to be able to sustain complex guns

[arctic talon]

Where doctrinally a lot of pathfinders end up wasting ammo

Because it’s overkill on soft targets

Too used to fighting orks over humans

[late osprey]

well carbines generally just seem a bit shit compared to rifles, which is acceptable as pathfinders are seemingly not supposed to engage anyway

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They’re scouts/recon

[late osprey]

which is why having them be the Tau focus in Killteam way back when was utterly deranged to me LOL

i saw that and i was like

SURELY this is what breachers were made for

y'know, the breachers that are pretty much useless in 40k proper

[arctic talon]

Tbf the lore for that encounter is the recon team gets ambushed by novitiates lol

[vital kernel]

Tau have far closer cooperation between castes and a shorter supply line than the Imperium.

Broken Pulse Weapons will be fixed by Earth Caste people in days, while only the regimental enginseers will be able to fix a lasgun, then again theres more than enough lasguns to go around and they rarely break.

[arctic talon]

And then the recon team turns the table

[late osprey]

yeah im sure the lore makes sense honestly, but it was still a team balanced to fight just about any other faction's KT

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Well

It’s 10 pathfinders + drones

[late osprey]

realistically the ideal tau KT ought to be breachers

[vital kernel]

The 80 power lasguns we get at level 1 represent a piece that has literally not been cleaned or maintained in this century.

[late osprey]

at least, that's how i will do it if/when i ever make a tau KT

[arctic talon]

The drones are the scary part of the team firepower wise

Aside from the sniper and GL guy

[late osprey]

well also in lore tau soldiers are not meant to be fighting in extended periods without resupply

their doctrine is very close to modern western doctrine compared to any other faction

[arctic talon]

Also weird to me there’s suppressed pulse weapons

Like

How the fuck does that work

[late osprey]

revolving around rapid operations and immediately getting resupplied after said operation

[vital kernel]

Well they don't live long enough anyway, dying at 40 years of old age.

[late osprey]

that might be part of it, but also again it's a real method of war that we practice IRL

[arctic talon]

Oh also you know the anti drone radio guns irl right

Tau have those lol

Or at least something similar

It’s a weird ass gun attached signal scrambler

[late osprey]

gotta do something for the farsight scum

sorry, but if there's only one Ethereal Supporter on the planet, i'm that guy

supporting farsight is so basic and short-sighted

[vital kernel]

Its very much a luxury to do war that way. Not much choice in the duration of your engagement with an Ork Waagh bearing down on the world.

[languid meadow]

That hardly makes a difference for fire warriors/air caste since most don't live that long

The only times tau life spans really play into it is named characters or like water and earth castes

[arctic talon]

My favorite tau sept is Vior’la or Bor’kan

Tbh

I like the angry psychos and the nerds

[late osprey]

tau doctrine actually does respond fairly effectively to most factions, but there is a bit of luxury in that the Tau don't have 30,000 years of baggage and wayward tradition

[late osprey]

T'au ftw

[languid meadow]

And I'm pretty sure ethereals live way longer than 40 iirc

[arctic talon]

Tbf they do already have some weird ass traditions

And yeah ethereals live forever

Well not forever

[late osprey]

they do but its nothing like the Imperium

[arctic talon]

But way longer then normal humans or tau

Not rejuve stuff though

[late osprey]

like at this point in time human society might as well be wasting imperial guard lives in the meatgrinder because it's tradition

[arctic talon]

We know there’s some weird biological treatment

[late osprey]

the tau aren't presently inhibited by those things

[arctic talon]

That tau can do to make you live longer

But it’s like

Shittier then rejuve

[late osprey]

they also just digitize your consciousness LOL

that's immortality right there

[arctic talon]

It’s like squeezing blood from stone

[arctic talon]

Engram moment

LOL

[languid meadow]

Well is it really even you?

[arctic talon]

Yes?

Legally at least

[late osprey]

https://tenor.com/bZfcT.gif

Wake the fuck up, Commander Farsight.

[arctic talon]

If it’s been modified no

[late osprey]

We have a Gulf to burn.

[arctic talon]

Put puretide in farsight brain

The Tau engrams are a case of if you don’t have a soul are you alive

Aka the necron argument

Tau engrams like necron engrams can learn Ect.

[hushed cedar]

Dont the tau put their high ranking warriors in cryo-sleep and only wake them up when they are most needed so they dont die of old age?

[late osprey]

they're also purely holographic which makes the question of how the fuck Aun'Va has wounds insane

[arctic talon]

We know the tau have some way to butcher and “split up” an engraved mmmmm

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s the holo platform

That has wounds imo

While aunva himself is a hologram lol

Anyways imagine being the poor pathfinder told you have to lug a battle suit weapon around

Worst job in the squad ever

[late osprey]

imagine the first wound on aun'va reveals hes a hologram and literally everyone looks over like "HUH????"

[arctic talon]

Tbf, aunva hasn’t made any public appearances physically lore wise

Since he yknow

Got assassinated

[languid meadow]

Womp womp

[late osprey]

well the hologram is specifically for those public appearances, but yeah assumedly they're not sending him into battle

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

which like

[arctic talon]

I mean…. Could say that he’s there to observe remotely

Lol

Aun’va on the board hasn’t made sense since he died

Tbh

[late osprey]

idk you'd think there'd be ethereal cardinals wanting to become the next ethereal pope

and they could lionize aun'va's death anyway

[arctic talon]

Anyways Aun’shi for ethereal supreme

[arctic talon]

There is

[late osprey]

that's what I'M saying

[arctic talon]

The issue is politics

In universe

The ethereal council can’t come to consensus

[late osprey]

oh so they decided to just hologram aun'va for the time being?

[arctic talon]

• some are worried wtf is the public’s reaction going to be

When aunva dies

Because aunva is like the ethereal historically

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Can’t decide on next ethereal supreme

[dusky beacon]

The longest lived one

[arctic talon]

And unsure of public reputation

[arctic talon]

Not just that but he’s basically forged the tau into what they are now

[late osprey]

he sorta went down like a chump, hopefully the next Ethereal Swiss Guard is a bit better prepared against assassin lolposting

[arctic talon]

With the spheres of expansion

[arctic talon]

LOL

[dusky beacon]

It would probably be like hearing a primarch or a votan died

[arctic talon]

Well

Not really

Ethreals die quite often

Usually of old age

or political assassination

I mean what

[late osprey]

normal ethereals aren't especially, well, special, but aun'va was unique

[dusky beacon]

And T'au don't actually live that long

[late osprey]

like was mentioned, ethereals are a special case

[arctic talon]

aunva’s expiration date is soon

Imo next time Tau get a big wave

Aunva is gona bite it for real

And they’re gona have the engram as wargear

Lol

[late osprey]

the hologram thing felt like a colossal cop-out anyway

[arctic talon]

Aun’va propaganda chip

[languid meadow]

Well ethereals do

[late osprey]

like "shit we accidentally wrote him dying but he's still a major named character in tabletop"

[arctic talon]

Puretide combat chip

[arctic talon]

They should have just killed him and said you can keep on playing him

[late osprey]

that would've been the chad thing

[languid meadow]

Props of being the fucked up god caste of your species

[arctic talon]

Like they did with Kell till they discontinued him, or with that one BA dude

Lol

Tycho

Oh also the Phoenix lord for the dark reapers being canonically dead

For a while, but you could still play him

Maugen Ra

But Phoenix lords cheat I guess lol

[languid meadow]

The new Pheonix Lord models are so good

Well "new" they're a year old now

But still pretty new

[late osprey]

now i see why GW is so scared of centralized governments

someone accidentally kills the faction's Big Cheese and suddenly everyone's in panic mode

having to use the first suggestion that comes up to rectify it

[arctic talon]

Anything after 7e is new

Tbh

8e was the big GW model like

Revitalization sculpt wise

Late 7e looked good

[dusky beacon]

The T'au are about to start expanding into Ultramar, perhaps the Ethereals are waiting to finish grooming a good figurehead to get them through what will probably be the hardest fight they've had with the Imperium since Damocles

[late osprey]

the Tau are pretty battle-tested by this point, GW has punished them with just about everything

but that's definitely a solid theory that the Ethereals are waiting for the next sphere to christen the new Ethereal Supreme

they're on, what, the 5th? for the homebrew septs?

[arctic talon]

Tbf that’s a deranged plan in universe

It makes sense for Vior’la people to think about doing it though

Lol

[dusky beacon]

I guess not everything can have a good reason behind it sometimes GW just fucks up the writing

[arctic talon]

I mean

[dusky beacon]

Like with Yvraine

[arctic talon]

The reasoning is

Vior’la are a bunch of psychopaths

[languid meadow]

Listen I'm no ultramarine Glazer but like it would be hilarious to see the tau try to expand into ultramar proper. Also we would get gman actually interacting with the tau and that's cool.

[arctic talon]

Who love war

[arctic talon]

Her writing is fine

Yvraine’s only issue is no one actually reads her lore

Or read the ynnari books

Which were mid but yvraine was fine in them

[languid meadow]

GW on their way to obliterate the ynnari because they made their prophecy too game changing

[arctic talon]

The ynnari becoming a more extremist death cult is good

Tbh

[dusky beacon]

I could see Gulliman tolerating the T'au if they stop trying to expand for a bit and decide to just fight Nids

[arctic talon]

I don’t get why people dislike that lore

They’ve always been a death cult

GW writing leaning more into it is good imo

[late osprey]

Imperial Truth would demand the Tau get annihilated

[arctic talon]

Also thank fuck they divorced the craftworld characters and drukhari characters mostly from the ynnari

Like that was fucking lame lol

I don’t want to play ynnari, I want to play craftworld eldar

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I don't like it only because they shouldn't have been inducted anyway, because now it just makes the Ynnari look like stupid losers that nobody likes

Which is fine if it was like, a faction in a novel

[dusky beacon]

Eventually, but Gulliman is smart enough to make the T'au work for him for a little bit

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But they're asking people to play & spend money on them

[arctic talon]

I agree on they shouldn’t have been inducted in the first place

I mean the ynnari aren’t losers though

They’re still working towards their goal

[dusky beacon]

If any primarch can match the T'aus diplomatic skills, its Bobby G

[late osprey]

The whole lore around everyone just leaving their cause makes them look really bad

[arctic talon]

They’re going by Shalaxi is lying

[arctic talon]

Not everyone tbf

Just like

[late osprey]

Well everyone with a name

[arctic talon]

Eldrad, and the Corsair dude

[late osprey]

Which is just as devastating

It

[arctic talon]

The Phoenix lords were never part of it properly

[late osprey]

It's Yvraine and like

her Top Guy

that's left

[arctic talon]

It’s yvraine the vissarch and Leilith

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admittedly her Top Guy IS badass

[arctic talon]

Which is fine

Actually there’s 2 wych’s who are important figures in the ynnari huh lol

Yvraine and Leilith

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Actually my main problem is that they squatted my favorite Craftworld

Like WTF?

They couldn't have picked a no-name Craftworld??

Malding fr