40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

which is the bad part

since like i said that's like most of the fnaf community

[astral burrow]

And he made shit I enjoyed, I don't know the guy personally, nor care about him besides his works, I don't care

[crystal forum]

then fuck off kindly

[astral burrow]

It is a public server

Go fuck yourself, not kindly

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

Edgelords aside, newer scps don't seem to be tales disguised as an article anymore
Thank god

[crystal forum]

hey those were the best SCP's

exploration scp's my favorite

[vagrant fox]

6500 is almost 100k words it's way too long

It insists upon itself

[arctic talon]

Proof the GW eavy metal team are psychopaths

Painting yellow straight over black

What the fuck lol

[crystal forum]

i like reading

i hate the early 5 paragraph long scp's

red sea object is literally peak early SCP

[vagrant fox]

What's wrong with yellow on black again

[crystal forum]

one of the only early ones clearly written by an actual writer

[arctic talon]

Yellow paint is pretty transparent generally so the black shows through

[languid meadow]

I love MTFs and tactislop so much

[arctic talon]

The GW painters just doing it raw in their guide is evil lol

Because the average painter def does not have the like, brush control to get it done in 2 coats prolly

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/yFdE7zNSw2w?si=oSHOvV_ioLd-N3IS

[vagrant fox]

That one is good, I do red sea object
I even like the crooked man ine a bit, but some just get too long man

[arctic talon]

Their advice for doing hazard stripes of “just fucking do it you coward”(paraphrasing) is pretty good though

You’re not gona learn unless you do it

[crystal forum]

crooked man is a bit too long for me but i like how early SCP's were full of dead ends

like the flesh that hates

the 5th exploration log is redacted

fuck the writer

i hate him

WHY

[vagrant fox]

Makes sense to me, just do a couple of coats and you're good to go surely

[crystal forum]

also the stairs

the stair SCP

the last test is redacted but some parts mention it going deeper than the center of the earth

[arctic talon]

It’s a case of people just don’t have the fine brush control for it

[crystal forum]

part of me loves the mystery but the other part wants to strangle the author

[arctic talon]

Which is why I’m jokingly say it’s evil

It’s easier to paint black over yellow

[crystal forum]

red sea object though everything is explained

[arctic talon]

Iirc the author just didn’t want to write it anymore

Regarding the flesh

So they just left it on the mystery

Rather then giving it a shitty uninspired ending

[crystal forum]

sucks since the 5th entry is supposed to be where the MTF team was dragged down to the depths of the flesh

so hell itself

[vagrant fox]

Actually that is pretty funny, +2 to GW

[arctic talon]

Tbh the eavy metal team are like

Extremely good painters

So they prolly don’t see the issue lol

The average painter is going to realize how they fucked up pretty soon though if they don’t have brush control

[crystal forum]

judging by the nail

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

you can tell

every good painter has immaculate nails

[arctic talon]

Eavy metal tutorial: “it’s not that bad”

nightlord lightning bolt edge highlighting

free hand eldar runes

Those 2 are like

The 2 most absurd tutorials from them imo

With them trying to pass it as “yeah anyone can totally do this baseline”

Like holy shit lol

[crystal forum]

it's either this or they spend their time doing copy paste paint schemes for large dioramas

i would krill myself

[arctic talon]

I’m not sure if it’s a marketing thing they they need to go with the whole “anyone can do this as an average painter”

Or if they like

Just think that

I’m assuming it’s for marketing

[arctic talon]

They do a lot of paint mixing lol

They have very specific paint mixes with GW paint and other brands

For official schemes

Eavy metal is ironically not constrained to GW paints outside of tutorials

[crystal forum]

heresy

[arctic talon]

Which does mean that technically all the back of box paint guides are wrong

Lol

Since they’re approximations of the paint jobs

[crystal forum]

i only wish their name didn't sound like it was pronounced by a londoner missing half his teeth

[arctic talon]

That’s the joke

The official wording is “ ‘Eavy Metal”

Lol

[crystal forum]

nothing more british than making fun of their own accent

[queen laurel]

Why do they call it in ork speak

Other than making fun of their own way of speaking i supposed

[languid meadow]

I got distracted but I meant to say earlier shout out to Alpha-1 I love units made for protecting high ranking officials and doing their dirty work

[arctic talon]

That’s literally why

[queen laurel]

Hey i respect it

It is a pretty funny sounding paint name

[arctic talon]

It’s the name of the painting team

[queen laurel]

Ah I see, leave it to the paint drinker to remember paint related knowledge

[queen laurel]

I don't know what bro saw in a war wolf but i suppose you don't really have much choices in hell

[crystal forum]

did hell finally get tank art

why do i keep finding more belts every day

i only had 1 belt for years and it duplicated

i'm at like 5 belts now i just found an extra one on the floor today

it's all the same fucking belt

[languid meadow]

no not yet

[vital kernel]

Finished some penances and recieved duplicate reskins

[crystal forum]

the drop rate on these belts is abysmal

[queen laurel]

Do you buy a lot of belts?

[sturdy ravine]

Imagine the Adeptus Mechanicus just getting so annoyed with us that they start sending Tech-Priests with us because they're sick of us and our bumbling behaviour.

[clear halo]

Imagine Kharn the Betrayer getting a light scratch from a guardsman with a shovel

This mere mortal with more shit in his pants than ammo just landed a hit on a 10k+ year old demigod with more than a million melee kills to his name

I would be embarrassed as fuck

[dapper gyro]

For you, sure. For the character, I don't think so.

[outer wave]

Im sure Kharn, with most World Eaters, understand the idea that getting hit and hurt is part of battle

So getting scratched from a guardsman is nothing special

[arctic talon]

Kharn has literally gotten impaled before

actually he's died lke

[outer wave]

With my co--

[arctic talon]

at least twice lol

[outer wave]

I assume Khorne keeps bringing him back?

[sacred ginkgo]

I feel like he’d just go “nice hit for a mortal” and then just decapitate them as normal

[outer wave]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Not even that he would just probably feel the hit and then 360 decapitate the zoger

[outer wave]

No different from getting scratches from the environment, or hits from a space marine, or shot by machine guns

[queen laurel]

This is the same guy that kept on slicing and slicing and accidentally killed someone invisible

[arctic talon]

He'd ignore it and cut their head off lol

same way he runs over most people in melee lol

[queen laurel]

I don't remember what the invisible person was but i do remember that he was like he stopped for a few seconds and then kept on going

After killing the person

[arctic talon]

he killed Krole and was confused why the counter went up

Kharn unironically probably gets shot a ton

or hit a ton in melee

he just literally doesn't care

[queen laurel]

Yeah after the confusion wears off he just goes back to killing

[arctic talon]

Kharn in battle is like

beyond unhinged lol

bro is a broken door

[queen laurel]

Khorne probably magnifies the anger someone feels everytime they get hit in combat

To be fair

Hard to stop a blood warrior when they are so angry they're very blood boils

[arctic talon]

shame he's absolute shit in ehresy

*heresy

[outer wave]

What if I ripped out his Nails? What would he do then, huh?

[arctic talon]

because his initative is ass

[queen laurel]

Or a khorne berzerker koreaning towards your position at 50 mph

[arctic talon]

tbh that would probably kill him lol

[outer wave]

Im surprised those things dont get severed during combat

[arctic talon]

they do

[queen laurel]

Yeah and then he would go back to life because khorne finds him entertaining

[arctic talon]

but getting them removed != severed

[outer wave]

If you did sever them, they can just fix them?

I assume they got a temporary amount of time then before they go brain dead?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

The first baby cat passed away...

[median star]

does anyone in lore actually know what the dealw the cttan are besides the necrons and aeldari or whenever a shard gets used dors everyone just goes holy shit thats a crazy necron weapon

[celest dome]

Mankind does iirc

They do look like Necron tech too

[raven stone]

Morning chat
Everything at work is on fire.
Yay.

[astral burrow]

Wtf

Hmm I kinda wanna watch a show

[raven stone]

(My tone was sarcastic)

[tough haven]

Usually they have a primal instinctual response of “holy shit this thing can end me with half a thought”

The nightbringer became synonymous with most races concepts of death in the war in heaven, and still exists in folklore to this day

Tau would have no clue

[astral burrow]

But on fire as in literally?

[barren prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUavAg2GWOo

i know you guys hate hammertubers but i like these guys

[storm jungle]

WOKE

[barren prawn]

the guy on the left started this podcast as a way of introducing his friend to warhammer and slowly taught him the lore over like 2 years

[storm jungle]

is it just Bricky/DK but less annoying

[barren prawn]

idk who these people are

[storm jungle]

but you just shared them

and explained what they do

so you do know

[barren prawn]

i meant bricky and dk

[storm jungle]

Ah damn

😔

Cant believe it

[barren prawn]

i looked em up

yeah the two i linked have better speaking voices at least

[storm jungle]

the racism is real

[raven stone]

Nope, metaphorically

[ornate estuary]

Like luetin, arbitor Ian, sandman of terra and imperial iterator. That's about it.

[crystal forum]

luetin is great i think

oh occulus imperia

i like him

that's a weird way to point at me sigsen

[storm jungle]

Luetin

[crystal forum]

his old stuff is better

he did introduce me to the setting

[storm jungle]

I started listening to him way back before i kinda just got bored.

its why Ian is my new favorite now, i prefer a guy whos not too up his own ass and just presents the lore as is

[queen laurel]

hey he's at least good at least he's useful for putting someone to sleep

[scenic bolt]

the worst are now the AI lore channels

[dapper gyro]

Remember One Mind Syndicate? If I listen to them once more, I will never wake up from the slumber.

[storm jungle]

Man they really fell off

like they werent that high to begin with but they are like completely gone now lmao

[astral burrow]

Finished the race in mafia

Fuck that, it sucked

[vital kernel]

Did we ever get more info who the moeb 6th was fighting before they came back traitor?

Their specialized Gear and Armor improvisations always suggested to me something with a focus on melee.

[storm jungle]

Its purposefully left vague aside from the fact that they are obviously Nurglite-alligned in nature.

[crystal forum]

isn't the darktide literally every enemy faction in 40k

[queen laurel]

i wish we get better chaos tide representation, nurgle was in Vemintide as well, but you had atleast the rats and Beastmen (derogatory) to keep you occupied

[storm jungle]

no lol

Its generally unknown aliens and chaos forces

[crystal forum]

isn't there an ork related item that mentions how they also fought orks

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats a side-blurb

Guard regiments get sent everywhere

[queen laurel]

that's vets talking i'm sure

[vital kernel]

Yeah they fell to nurgle, which makes sense if they are in a situation that is very straining physically for a long time, in conditions that promote disease and attrition. Their gear furthermore suggests heavy use of chemical agents like Gas.

Some of it suggests Orks. But to be entirely honest with you I would love it most if it was some obscure alien weve never heard about.

[round tartan]

We don't know who the 6th fought, only that it was supposedly horrible in every way.

[celest dome]

Darktide is what ever the local Fringewar is composed of, doesn't mean that every enemy is fighting in the sector, but the door is open for it

[storm jungle]

Yeah it very much is just "nurgle forces" thats all atm

[queen laurel]

In the 1st place orks are way above our paygrade grade

even their most savage and primitive society could bring in horrifying weapons

[crystal forum]

an ork invasion would be a lot harder to counter with rejects

[shadow plover]

They fought the Pus Pact

[storm jungle]

excuse me

its *Pox Pact

[vital kernel]

Lol

[crystal forum]

i like jerk's version more

[vital kernel]

A 4team of Ogryns would cause grief for Orks

[queen laurel]

nah they can be matched by nobs

[crystal forum]

unless we're valhallans

then we'd demolish the orks

[storm jungle]

Valhallans also get nobbed

[crystal forum]

nah they built different

[vital kernel]

Thats like saying a single Nurgle Marine could wipe the rejects, but where are you getting one.

We're killing Chaos Spawns and Plague Ogryns on the regular, some Orks wouldnt be any trouble. They cant even aim shit.

[queen laurel]

of course you say that

You do realize that orks are literally known for strength right

Accuracy don't matter when their guns pack enough punch to punch holes through our armor

an average ork boy is around 6 feet

[crystal forum]

also when they get into melee range it wont matter

[queen laurel]

nobs clock in around 7 to 8 feet more than a match for an ogryn

[vital kernel]

Orks still die to weapons.

[queen laurel]

yeah and so do rejects

[celest dome]

The thing with Orks isn't that they're too strong to be defeated by the Rejects, it's that they're a different level of strength compared to the other factions

[vital kernel]

Yeah. Just Rejects can dodge.

[queen laurel]

so can orks

[round tartan]

I mean look at the Moebian camouflage patterns provided in the game. They're all VERY unnatural. No doubt the campaigns the 6th had to take part in were hellish and they probably fell to Nurgle just for the promise of staying alive through all of it.

[queen laurel]

these guys are fighters you know

[crystal forum]

an ork invasion would be a lot more direct and violent

[vital kernel]

Not in this game they can't!

[queen laurel]

if we're being realistic lore wise

they can

also they're not all big dumb brute people

many of them can use strategy

[vital kernel]

Realistic lorewise 4 people should not churn through 1000+ traitor forces on their way to turn on the tapwater.

[queen laurel]

you're talking about a gameplay sense i'm talking being realistic

[vital kernel]

In the context of gameplay implementation.

[queen laurel]

yeah an average ork boy is already an elite

and that's their infantry

[vital kernel]

An average Ork Boy is marginally more capable on the battlefield than an average guardsman and that is very situational.

[queen laurel]

ork boyz are considered the smallest guys in the tribe

and they're already taller than just about any human character in the game

these guys travel in groups

[crystal forum]

imagine if darktide was us fighting votaan or some weird shit

[queen laurel]

each one carrying weapons that would put our characters a lot of pain

[vital kernel]

Consider the following

[crystal forum]

based and steroidpilled catachan

[vital kernel]

Actually Armageddon Ork Hunters

[crystal forum]

WHAT

[queen laurel]

consider this

[crystal forum]

i never saw these steel legion guys

[queen laurel]

groups of orks capable of stealth subterfuge and knowing how to snipe

[round tartan]

way to completely forget about gretchins
smh tbh fam

[celest dome]

I mean, asking for Orks is like asking for SM in a game where you're facing Imperial Guards, sure you can have either work as enemy faction in a game, but they're so different that they'll be way to difficult to really balance them alongside each other

[queen laurel]

this too

[crystal forum]

fighting a horde of gretchin would be very funny

just kicking them

[queen laurel]

orks are just an apocalyptic level faction

[vital kernel]

Its a perpetual cleanup in the Armageddon Jungle Belt.

Some Steel Legion Regiments became specialized Ork Hunters.

[queen laurel]

i respect the rejects but no way in hell they are fighting a horde of orks

[queen laurel]

they are usually manning weapon inplacements and guns

[crystal forum]

very cool aesthetic

[vital kernel]

Rejects are in effect a Tempestus Squad. They could absolutely take on some Orks.

[queen laurel]

some orks

orks don't come in some

[plush mason]

it is not called the greentide for nothing

[queen laurel]

They're always in large groups

[vital kernel]

They do actually, not every appearance is a full blown Waagh. Orks rove in smaller bands aswell.

[crystal forum]

an ork invasion of the planet would be a lot less subtle

[queen laurel]

yes they can do that but tell me

Is that gonna be the same for when you're attacking A specialized emplacement where they guard it or try to sabotage your plans?

You know the things you rejects usually do

[plush mason]

but we do know that the orks are one of the foes in the fringe war

[queen laurel]

yeah they would just flatten everything

[vital kernel]

Its called force concentration.
You concentrate your own forces where the enemy is weakest and strike.

[plush mason]

so for them to be on Atoma it would mean a massive waagh has broken into the sector

[crystal forum]

because of how waaaughs work, when orks hit they hit hard

[queen laurel]

yeah and they

are not weak

In their most primitive society they are running Titans that run on steam

[vital kernel]

I think we are fundamentally arguing about different things.

Sure Orks strong and all that.

[crystal forum]

having to fight in a gargant and reach the control center to turn it off would be a baller mission ngl

[astral burrow]

Blog post today?

[queen laurel]

or squigs large enough and have sharp enough teeth to bite through the armor of a tank

like if they're going to be the enemy of their tide game a reject squad is not gonna cut it into killing them regularly

They are space marine level issues

[vital kernel]

Saying Orks are too strong for darktide is quite silly and ignores all the instances where Orks get absolutely trounced by Imperial Forces, all the time all over the place.

[queen laurel]

yeah but most of the things we do in the game is because of lore disconnect

we should not be able to survive a beast nurgle but we can

[vital kernel]

Yeah exactly so why are Orks immune to that lore disconnect?

[crystal forum]

regular guard regiments fight them though

[dapper gyro]

Gameplay does not represent the lore.

[celest dome]

Again in fairness, orks can work as a Tide as tide game already aren't really good basis for power level.
But having them alongside the current factions wouldn't work quite as well

[vital kernel]

And are the one enemy Guard regiments win against regularily.

[dapper gyro]

If it is, then its spawn rate is of the easiest difficulty, while enemy damage is of the highest one.

[queen laurel]

because even if our rejects are lore disconnected we are explained that our casualty rates are atrocious and we are the rare few that succeed on the regular

also what cacti said, orks are just fundamentally not set for this setting in the game

we are in the middle of a damn imperial planet in nowhere, and you're asking to add a faction that will not hesitate to bring in a war bike through the tunnels and run us down

[dapper gyro]

Each ork is a plaque orgryn with ranged weapons... Spawning like gunners in Havoc mode.

[storm jungle]

And they lose about as much as they win. More or less every engagement in 40k is kinda "whoever the writer wants to win" so its really worth the argument imo.

[crystal forum]

well i wouldn't say regularly

guard just kinda tend to lock into perma wars unless they're on a crusade

[dapper gyro]

For a coop shooter with relatively or absolute humans, you don't fight hordes of them.

[celest dome]

Couldn't the same be said about Chaos uprising

[vital kernel]

A plague ogryn is far and above any ork in threat.

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

[queen laurel]

uhh no, orks are, just like every person in the imperium is capable of taking one

[storm jungle]

this rule applies to every faction

[dapper gyro]

But in the actual game lore, they don't spawn every 5 minutes.

[crystal forum]

the whole thing about vallhalans being good against orks is due to them being able to attrition orks better

it's still a war of attrition

[dapper gyro]

Like, the only times that the monstrosity actually shows up in darktide story is in the Dark Communion or the trailers.

[vital kernel]

Plague Ogryns would be the most likely Monster available to the Moebians since they got both plague and orgyn in numbers.

[dapper gyro]

It wouldn't be interesting of a game if all we fight are trash mobs.

[crystal forum]

i'd enjoy it

[vital kernel]

I wouldn't say any person in the imperium is capable of taking a plague ogryn

[dapper gyro]

It is kind of like SM2, the intro is somewhat lore accurate. After that, it is SM tribute jerking.

[crystal forum]

kaldor draigo

check mate

[queen laurel]

In the setting of warhammer if you have the sufficient tools and grit you can do that

[celest dome]

If they made a separate game where the Orks were the tide, even if it still was "Rejects" turned Acolyte, I would say yes this would work quite easily, but not in Darktide.
Not here.

[vital kernel]

Certainly the model average imperial citizen

[dapper gyro]

DeathWatch Vet died by some common mob while random UltraSmurf kills hundred of them... sounds about right.

[queen laurel]

yeah and with that you can even bring in some more extreme weapons as to deal with the more brutal ork horde

the way darktide is set up it's just not gonna work

[vital kernel]

Its the same guy tho. And have you played the first game?

[shadow plover]

He means the other members of the team

[celest dome]

@queen laurel
That would be debatable, like I said before, tide game are playing loose with Power levels (if those really matter anyway)

[crystal forum]

he pays his tithes and prays to emp every day

[dapper gyro]

I'm not talking about the main character.

The 1st game is also nothing short of SM jerk off.

[celest dome]

In any case:
Could a tide game work with Orks as the tide -> Yes
Could Orks work in Darktide -> Not really
Could "Rejects" work against Orks -> Yes, same as here

[queen laurel]

I mean it's natural to think that you could definitely bring in more exotic weapons because you're dealing with a massive angry ork horde

A single one of these guys would put the rejects on the defensive

[dapper gyro]

In SM2, you are telling me a Space Wolf DW Veteran has less situation awareness than the average Ultramarine?... Heck no.

[queen laurel]

so them bringing some more exotic weaponry isn't that outrageous

[celest dome]

Where a Plague Ogryn could also do such

[queen laurel]

yeah but those guys don't have guns that can cut through tanks now do they

[vital kernel]

With that logic nothings going to work.

Can't have Tau because their guns and suits are too powerful.
Can't have Eldar because they are too stealthy and quick.
Can't have Tyranids because they are too numerous and dangerous.
Can't have Votann because they are too well equipped and sturdy.
Can't have anything other than a chaos cult recolour.

[dapper gyro]

And there are operations missions, which you dont play as an average guy and not the Ultra Blessed Titus.

[queen laurel]

Yeah yeah that's what we're saying

tau would have a field day with their hyper advanced technology weapons in tertium

same with eldar

They would go around being agile all over the place taking out rejects left and right

[vital kernel]

Tau would have a wretched day being in close spaces and melee range all the time.

[dapper gyro]

You can throw in Necrom as well. Rejects can totally take them!!!!!!!!!!

[shadow plover]

tbf it doesn't really differ from any shooter game, the protagonist will be more powerful than anything it encounters

[queen laurel]

They have a Fire Warrior Breacher Teams

Yes they see the practice as barbaric but they have more than enough tools and weapons to deal with us getting close to them

[vital kernel]

Still suck at melee.

[dapper gyro]

Oh, my bad, I meant to write "not playing as Titus".

[queen laurel]

it doesn't matter when they have enough long range weapons that we won't get there,

[shadow plover]

I just meant overall, doesn't matter if you're Titus or whomever

the player character will outclass everything

[vital kernel]

They can tell that to my chainsword.

[queen laurel]

They can tell it to your corpse after they blasted your head with a sniper

[dapper gyro]

The person wants to mix gameplay and lore. If it is the case in SM2, where every Ultramarine squad performed like that, then the Deathwatch is like poopwatch.

[vital kernel]

Nah, I'd win.

[queen laurel]

that's what the incompetent imperial officers say

[shadow plover]

SM2 still has an Ultramarine die to a party pooper explosive

[vital kernel]

Your reject would probably die, but not mine.

[queen laurel]

Mate you already lost this argument if you're gonna devolve into my OC is the best kind of character type beat

Anyway ignoring that rather pathetic excuse of using your character as a way of allowing people into the game

[dapper gyro]

Moving on...

[queen laurel]

he died?

seriously

[shadow plover]

the one with the iron bar jutting out of his eyeball?

yes

[queen laurel]

bro i've seen marine survive worse

warhammer writing at its best

[shadow plover]

eh, it's fine

dude's head was impaled

[vital kernel]

There is no Argument to lose, all you do is tell us why theres NO WAY anything but heretics could ever be put into Darktide because all other factions are just too hecking strong for our weak little Rejects.

[dapper gyro]

Cutscenes are the only actual lore accurate moments.

[vital kernel]

Ignoring that the Heretics have access to units just as lethal as any of those Xenos do.

[dapper gyro]

Hence DW team wipe.

[queen laurel]

I mean I did say they're going to work if the game was structured around them but as with the way is our rejects are structured on taking on chaos cults that are just starting out

[celest dome]

Yes

[queen laurel]

you're the one who is trying to argue to bringing a stronger faction into the the game

not me

[vital kernel]

And Vermtide was structured around fighting rats. But in the 2nd game theres Chaos Warriors and Minotaurs.

[dapper gyro]

I also see people compare DT to Helldivers 2, but they always forget the satire side of that game.

[vital kernel]

Orks and Tau are not a stronger faction than Chaos.

[queen laurel]

any faction can be stronger than chaos

writing is hell of a thing you see

[shadow plover]

They are if the Chaos faction is just a chaos cult and a renegade guard company

[dapper gyro]

Casually pushing back numerous chaos invasions... Not stronger than Chaos my asses.

[queen laurel]

also orks and taus have fought and defeated chaos if they are not stronger than them they won't be able to defeat them

[vital kernel]

And thats the point people here refuse to comprehend. If we aren't facing all of Chaos in Darktide who says we have to fight any Xenos at full force? Is that concept to comprehend?

[vital kernel]

Lol. Abbadon sure is worried about those Tau.

[shadow plover]

Chaos has a bit more room for internal scaling being a lot more fleshed out than the said orks or Tau but 'tis a silly argument at best, I don't really plan on attending it further

[celest dome]

Chaos also has defeated Orks or Tau before 💀

Like it's not the problems here 💀

[queen laurel]

hey man he's the one that said chaos is always stronger than those guys

[vital kernel]

I literally didn't say that. Read my comment again.

[queen laurel]

yeah right bringing in a special character dude seriously just accept the fact that xenos won't work in dark tide it's not that hard of a concept

Like I assume we're talking about like you know led by an average warlord for each species but if you're gonna jump all the way up to that then you're just pandering your point because at that point it's just a galactic level of war

[vital kernel]

Then again, save it. I am doing something else with my time than arguing against windmills.

[queen laurel]

I mean you're the one who's willing to drag out an argument not me but you know ignoring that goodbye

[celest dome]

But they don't "don't work" for a tide game, they just wouldn't work here

[queen laurel]

yeah that's what i said i said they can work on their own tide game

They just won't work here

Many of the xenos in fact won't

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-2-death-space-marine-2-gif-12976716491498684396

[queen laurel]

god this is so jarring to see from a space marine

[storm jungle]

its great

[queen laurel]

Like I know what hammer is full of that stuff but seriously most of him is intact

[shadow plover]

I was awaiting for this gif

[dapper gyro]

His body will be recycled to make a new marine.

[storm jungle]

That entire scene is one of the most unintentionally funny moments in the game imo

"Oh JUST ONE MORE THING" ahh scene

https://tenor.com/view/cape-of-new-hope-gif-1875490710420227609

[shadow plover]

I think it's pretty neat still

[celest dome]

@vital kernel Also just to say:

Can't have anything other than a chaos cult recolour.
That's very reductive, as there could be other Chaos Cults that operate differently and have way different themes and design

[vagrant fox]

Lamest death I've ever seen for a space marine and it wouldn't even kill him in half the novels
But it's funny so I'll take it

[storm jungle]

Tbh space marines can die to anything

[vital kernel]

Yeah I'd be simply ecstatic to see a blue, red or pink rebrand of chaos cultists. That would totally transform the gameplay experience.

[storm jungle]

power-armor is as strong as the plot requires it

cue Creeper explosion

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-gif-22466147

[vagrant fox]

Yea it's completely arbitrary it's just how lame it is that gets me

[celest dome]

This is the same as saying that Genestealer would be Purple Scabs 💀

[vital kernel]

Oddly, seemingly the POWERLEVEL excuse does not apply to a Khornate Cult, against whos bersekers our Rejects would not stand a chance!

[celest dome]

Depend largely on what you mean by Khronate Berserker

[vital kernel]

I'm done with that line of argument, if you discuss Faction Powerlevels in relation to implementation in Darktide I am done arguing. It leads nowhere and does not reflect the reality of including new enemies in a game.

[storm jungle]

What in the-

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-white-cat-white-cat-cute-gif-23090425

[queen laurel]

??????????????? you were saying something earlier

If you're doing something else with your time why would you go back here and talk to someone else again

[celest dome]

But Khornate cults can be easily on the same "power level" as the current factions, they're still "human"

[celest dome]

Cause I pinged them

I think they consider you the windmill

[queen laurel]

hey i can say the same for him you know but ignoring that

[storm jungle]

Alright guys lets quit it please

I have seen enough arguments for the last few days lol

[queen laurel]

Aight boss, ya got it

[vagrant fox]

Summer, the months of shame, strikes again

[dapper gyro]

Go to nerdy side again...

So some gun and 40K nerds make out that the Bolter, at least the first born ones, has the point blank range of about 100m... which is short, and the effective range is about 1000m.

So without helmet, implants or a lot of training, compensating the bullet drop for bolter is a pain.

Meanwhile, Plasma guns has only reach around 300-500m. The heaviest one get maybe 1000m, which by today anti tank weapon... is shit.

Actually, for handheld, it is not bad.

[raven stone]

Bleargh

Sorry just had to indirectly vent about crazy times at work AAAAAAAAHHHHHH

OK there are still memes

[stray bluff]

Why dont they turn the golden throne into a dreadnought

[sly ivy]

But

But

[storm jungle]

no

[sly ivy]

Real talk I’ve seen more constructive discussions of stuff on this nerdy ass video game plastic army doll lore chat than most venues lmao good job Dilara

Even though y’all are a bunch of raging lefties

[stray bluff]

Where did that come from

[forest orbit]

What lol

[sly ivy]

Who r u

Nothing I say is especially serious

[storm jungle]

Thats definitely a take.

[celest dome]

Emp isn't fleshy enough for it

[forest orbit]

Does this make him a Rightoid in this case

[storm jungle]

No comment

[queen laurel]

Yeah what is Bro Yammering about

[stray bluff]

I wonder if atrophy has set in for E

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

Isnt the bolter propelled rockets aka no drop?

[humble shoal]

How did you know I was part of the left hand path

[sacred bluff]

time to argue against pride now

[humble shoal]

Pride was a mediocre fighting organization

And was marred by its deep connection to the yakuza

[vagrant fox]

Lion prides also suck, they're big dumb cats

[crystal forum]

i bought something squishy on discount thanks to pride

i love being in an economically viable group

[sly ivy]

Based take

[storm jungle]

The Lion does not ask for the opinion of the gooners...

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lion-gif-8063199

[humble shoal]

Lions are goons

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

I can't think of who else the gooners would be in this case

[astral burrow]

Abelard

[crystal forum]

hyenas

just look at how they laugh

[vagrant fox]

yeah but someone post the lion getting his nuts bit because he's tired of nutting

[stray bluff]

Bit by who

[vagrant fox]

lioness

[arctic talon]

Flesh eater courts?

or maybe its 40k

Its def claws sticking into something

[queen laurel]

it does look a bit space wolf ish

but they already got

a lot

[arctic talon]

issue is lighting claws don't look like that

[hallow plover]

Flayed ones?

[queen laurel]

yeah true

[queen laurel]

nah

they got minis in 9th ed

[vagrant fox]

Isn't it like that space wolf dread

[arctic talon]

No

murderfang uses normal Dread claws

actually wait

maybe it is murderfang

but that would be really fucking weird

[crystal forum]

it looks to have the contrast of metal

[arctic talon]

claws look too smooth

is the thing

[crystal forum]

idk what the putty looking shit is

[arctic talon]

Bone or stone

is what I'm thinking

[queen laurel]

it does match his three claws

[arctic talon]

they're way wider apart

maybe this is a daemon?

[queen laurel]

it looks meatish to mee but

yes his claws have that icy claw look

[vagrant fox]

ok discord

[arctic talon]

I think I'm more convinced it isn't FEC now

But uh

genuinely no clue wtf it belongs to

[vagrant fox]

It would be funny if it was more space wolves

[queen laurel]

space wolf would be weird, because they already got A LOT of things

Getting them another character would be weird

[shadow plover]

the claws also look way too small to be dread sized

[vagrant fox]

$2 and copium says warp talons

[dapper gyro]

Those are not claws, those are rib bones.

[shadow plover]

it might have painted lightning on it so talons isn't a bad guess

[arctic talon]

Hm

[rose thorn]

Saw the new chaos knight detachments on warcom

First one is noob smasher for the noob smasher army

And the war dog one is war dog spam

[queen laurel]

perfect for that Wardog box

[rose thorn]

Expect wardogs to be meta agin

[arctic talon]

It’s knights tbh

Lol

There’s unfortunately only so much they can do

I do like the teleporting knight enhancement

[rose thorn]

But, a fucking, objective control gimmick?

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah they need it

I’d say it’s fine as a detach

tyrannical court is the objective focused detachment

[queen laurel]

speaking of wolf are do chaos knights also have access to the largest imperial Knights but chaosified?

I didn't see them having acastus and stuff

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

aight good

[arctic talon]

GW just doesn’t show them in promo art or mini showcases generally

They don’t do that for imperial knights either

[queen laurel]

welp at least they the chaos knights end imperial knights are equal in tabletop mostly

[arctic talon]

Eh

Usually one is better then the other

[queen laurel]

is it the imperial one?

[arctic talon]

Rn no

Last edition yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085667218584506599/1379462234090242179/IMG_6161.png?ex=684053d1&is=683f0251&hm=97e2a110c05ded520fca35d8064bb8775af276268bac5dd9da35e2fa96c83c2e&

Anyways here’s a bunch of rumors and leaks

They made chaos knights army rule not ass

[queen laurel]

Are currently the largest knight you can deploy in the table is the Dominus Pattern Knight ?

[arctic talon]

Nah

The big round knights are playable

At 2k

[queen laurel]

the Acastus for chaos and imperial?

[arctic talon]

Yes

They have identical stuff

Beyond armigers

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

And canis red vs the abomination

[queen laurel]

What differentiates the two in the table top anyway besides being big stampy robots

[arctic talon]

Nothing/j

Chaos knights are more selfish

Imperial knights have more synergy

That’s it

[queen laurel]

I see

[arctic talon]

The abominant gives psychic access to CK

[tough haven]

Chaos knights kill innocents for the love of the game, regular knights kill innocents because they are classist

[crystal forum]

blind hatred vs bigoted hatred

would make postal dude proud

[astral burrow]

I need a new game to get into...

[humble shoal]

Counterstrike 1.6

[sly ivy]

Do u helldive

I resisted in a contrarian way 4 a long time

[storm jungle]

I mean one is literally beyond them, the other is junkyard kaboom tech

[sly ivy]

Dilara do you play Helldivers there are a lot of opportunities to yell at people for fucking up

Seems like u would like

[storm jungle]

I do play Dickdivers but im not invested enough to really yell at people, at worst i drop a 500kg on them and leave the match since its not worth my time

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside I only do it to like asshole players

(which thankfully is many)

[humble shoal]

Imagine they get dark age tech

They would also be seething

[storm jungle]

No because Dark Age Tech is pretty easy to operate from most stuff we've seen.

press button

[tough haven]

Aeldari tech is literally made of magic, and ork tech is made out of scrap, hopes and dreams, and a refusal to accept failure

[tough haven]

Made their shit ergonomic

[humble shoal]

Reverse engineering it though

[storm jungle]

They probably wouldnt tbh.

[humble shoal]

Tau?

[storm jungle]

why reverse-engineer something thats already perfect

lol

[tough haven]

If anyone could, it would probs be drukhari, tau, or votaan

[humble shoal]

Why wouldnt they try to reverse engineer to black hole gun

[tough haven]

To make more

[humble shoal]

Monke

[storm jungle]

Which you can kinda figure out from also studying it.

[tough haven]

Oh right

Monke

[humble shoal]

Necron

[storm jungle]

Reverse-engineering isnt always a must

[tough haven]

Necrons wouldn’t

[queen laurel]

No matter the place you will always be DIlara the bomber huh

[humble shoal]

It is if you want to make more

[storm jungle]

Nah. Scan that shit.

[humble shoal]

But trazyn probably could

[tough haven]

That would imply there’s tech that’s better than theirs

[humble shoal]

That is reverse engineering

[tough haven]

No he wouldn’t, that could damage it, he’d just put it in a glass case stasis locked forever

Trayzn is stagnation incarnate

[humble shoal]

I said could not would

[tough haven]

Yeah he could

He’d probably just hang onto it to use if he felt like it

[humble shoal]

Monkes also wouldnt reverse engineer it unless it made bannana

[tough haven]

Probably to fuck with orikan

[tough haven]

They’d do it for fun

[humble shoal]

They can probably make em if provided proper motivation

[tough haven]

Orks would attempt to reverse engineer it and accidentally wipe out a planet

Themselves included

[humble shoal]

Aeldari would scoff because not wraithbone

Drukhari would be too busy doing cbt in the corner

[tough haven]

Aeldari might be like “keep that shit away from me, better yet, destroy it”

Drukhari are known to just do shit like that to prove they can

And their superiority

[humble shoal]

I just think of the haemonculus in rt

Being so cocky

When he just basically added some stuff to a tesseract prison

[storm jungle]

Making hamburgers is reverse engineer to you mfers i swear

[humble shoal]

No, reverse engineering is reverse engineering

[storm jungle]

See my statement again

NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP

[humble shoal]

Hamburgers is cooking not reverse engineering

[storm jungle]

You invent a new food

thus it has to be reverse engineering by your logic

trust me guys

[humble shoal]

No

[storm jungle]

Yes

next question

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-star-wars-stormtrooper-move-along-move-gif-12464798

[humble shoal]

Observing a burger to ascertain the ingredients to copy it, is reverse engineering

Scan=determine structure which makes it reverse engineering

[storm jungle]

Next you'll tell me when you wake up dead you'd be alive.

Next statement.

[humble shoal]

Cant wake up if you are dead

[storm jungle]

Yeah you can, you'd be dead

[tough haven]

Reverse engineering is taking something apart to learn the concept by which it works to duplicate it

[humble shoal]

Death is eternal sleep

[storm jungle]

No thats forward manufacturing

[tough haven]

What’s your definition then

[storm jungle]

:)

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-engineer-engineer-tf2-tf2engineer-gif-22691307

anyway

genocide

[humble shoal]

We should release daemons into commorogh

[storm jungle]

they'd re-release them back somewhere else

[humble shoal]

Open up a hole magnus style

It would be funny

[storm jungle]

🤨

[tough haven]

Huh?

[storm jungle]

Must be a disturbance in the timeline

remove yourselves

[tough haven]

I guess they just mixed up forwards and backwards

And we’re like “fuck it, it’s pretty much the same”

[storm jungle]

[astral burrow]

I guess reverse engineering is taking it and understanding how it works and stuff

And forward engineering is putting those to practice and actually reproducing the product

[polar hill]

She reverse on my engineering until I forward

[humble shoal]

Why does that phonetics say reverse engineering

[storm jungle]

Not sure.

[astral burrow]

Good eye

[storm jungle]

Must be a disturbance in the quantum physics.

[astral burrow]

Is dilara messing with us

[storm jungle]

Id never do that

[humble shoal]

Never dilara is a mod

[astral burrow]

Are you?

[humble shoal]

They legally arent allowed to do that

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[winter vessel]

He’s just info dumping everything he has on KALKITE with that one finger into her brain

[storm jungle]

Kalkite is such a good fucking word

I love saying it outloud, i need to do it during a meeting

[astral burrow]

Forward engineering isn't even in the dictionary

[astral burrow]

Synthetic KALKITE

KALKITE alternatives KALKITE substitutes

[storm jungle]

its like saying CUNT but its scientific

[winter vessel]

I swear Krennic was going to start listing KALKITE down like Bubba from Forrest Gump.

[astral burrow]

Shut the fuck up hadron it was funny

[winter vessel]

“We stand here admist MY Kalkite, NOT YOURS!”

[paper haven]

What's the rage today, my dudes?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/director-krennic-andor-season-2-star-wars-gif-15547433381944080846

[rose thorn]

anyoen see the new missions in the 2025-2026 generals handbook?

[opaque coyote]

Y'know at first I thought the Vader Space Marine had a red wig

[dapper gyro]

It would be too fabulous for those people.

[dapper gyro]

I don't know about the last few hours, but this morning, there was a war on people debating about bringing other enemy of the Imperium faction to DarkTide...

It almost went down in insults.

[opaque coyote]

Genestealer Cultists

Either that or bringing in Khornates

[winter vessel]

Ah so business as usual…again

[opaque coyote]

Personally prefer the jean stealers

Since there is a slight hint(?) and more Xenos are nice

Also fits the aesthetic of "These aren't like super elite enemies (90% of the time anyways) these are random Cultists"

Similar to how you're essentially in the role of a background character

[young pecan]

I've been told there are plenty of teasers insinuating a certain clan or whatever of Eldar are on the planet

I don't imagine they'd make for a tide enemy though

[opaque coyote]

Would be a nice excuse to get Xeno weaponry though

Rogue Traders gotta trade

Just say that they're the trigger versions for non-psychics

[celest dome]

They'd make a good assignment target

[celest dome]

There isn't really though.

[young pecan]

Like another Twins-esque assignment

?

[celest dome]

Yes

[young pecan]

That's how I would see it working too

Otherwise probably a secretive ally or elusive overseers

Considering rogue traders deal with xenos plenty often

[opaque coyote]

@celest dome Yeah that line is incredibly vague. Still though, I want some Jean Stealers smh

Also why did all of the words on the UI disappear on my discord mobile

God fucking dammit

[celest dome]

To explain the argument that happened earlier this morning.
Someone think that Orks should be the/a new faction to face in Darktide, someone else explained that Orks are too strong to face as a Tide (for 4 Rejects/Acolytes)
Now person 1 ignored the parenthesis. Which devolved into shit flinging essentially

[sacred ginkgo]

Xenos enemies without close to human combat doctrine would also have issues design wise with how you engage them

[outer wave]

Oh so thats what happened this morning

[celest dome]

In the end, the issue isn't the Reject/Acolytes, those could in fairness be put against a tide of Orks, the problem is managing balancing both Orks, and the current factions in //.
Which here would be a massive weirdness

@opaque coyote if you mean the voice lines from Sepfoni, it's not likely to point to GSC, Crescent and Sword are really the symbol of an Eldar faction, more known for their rangers

[sacred ginkgo]

Orks would have to be fewer most likely, which would get really weird with on-kill anything

Trying to stack slaught when the Orks spawn in hordes of 30

[outer wave]

As an aside, I think a Tide game where you're either playing as guardsmen within frontline trenches dealing with orks OR orks in same frontline trenches dealing with guardsmen would be cool

[opaque coyote]

@celest dome That's interesting.

Xenos weapons. Xenos weapons!

[outer wave]

At the very least, the latter idea has the potential for actual weapon customization

[celest dome]

Then there is also that the 1st person (ork wanter) also said that other Chaos Cults would just be Dreg|Scab but Blue|Pink|Red.
When that's very reductive on potential that we see FS put in their enemies

[opaque coyote]

Takes literal ancient aliens with technology far outpacing the Imperium just so that I can place a flashlight on my bolter

Amazing

[raven stone]

But you forget.
It's a Xenos flashlight.

Lasts longer than any Imperial version...

[celest dome]

Tbh, Orks PoV tide game would be awesome, and by the Orks characterisation they could be able to do it with a mostly unspeaking enemies and still have volume (like the Tyranids)

[outer wave]

Lets get more unique and go for GSC

[celest dome]

Fuck the GSC

[dapper gyro]

If people want to fight the Nids, there is always the Space Hulk game.

[outer wave]

A revolution has almost suceeded on a world and rumors spread to a warband that there was good fighting. After some scuffling of where to go, the player orks launch themselves towards said planet and get involved with the now rampant GSC.

[dapper gyro]

No need for tyranids in darktide.

[outer wave]

Its not a game most people wanna go back to, especially with the bad press it has

[outer wave]

Not in Darktide, but in a new -Tide game

[celest dome]

No need for Xenos in DT for the most part

[dapper gyro]

As if Darktide has good press beside VT2 success.

[opaque coyote]

@dapper gyro tbf I do think that DT doesn't need to add another enemy faction

Currently anyways.

There's a lot you can do with Nurgle alone

Also the reason I am replying like this is because discord mobile is fucked atm

[celest dome]

Dregs really deserve some faction update, Plaguebearers are a must

[polar hill]

Adds Eldar

[opaque coyote]

I just think that Jean Stealers would be cool eventually

[polar hill]

Twins reskin but faster

[nocturne crest]

Nurgle Stealers?

[opaque coyote]

@polar hill I would give myself the Emperor's peace if that happened ngl

[outer wave]

I mean, considering how weird Space Hulk is with its melee system and sound design, I think DT has had much better press overall

[outer wave]

Red Dreg Bomber

[dapper gyro]

They are too exotic to kill, you know that they can keep eldar as slave?

[polar hill]

Counterpoint

They're annoying

[celest dome]

Ok no joke, but I want a Khornate faction based on the Enforcers and Corpse Grinder Gangs.
The Grenadier having Concussion grenades

[outer wave]

Red Dreg Bomber

"THROWING MURDER BLOOD GRENADE!"

[dapper gyro]

The melee is indeed slow.

[outer wave]

Slow and you get shredded in melee by everything apparently

[dapper gyro]

Though, playing as a librarian is quite fun.

Make a Space Hulk 2, fix those issues.

[outer wave]

Would be an idea, though I have no idea what that dev team is doing nowadays

[dapper gyro]

More lore accurate than SM2...

[outer wave]

Sure, but doesnt look very fun

[late osprey]

Eldar would utterly butcher us

Orks would actually be possible

Well

Possible for us to kill

Not for DT lmao

[opaque coyote]

@dapper gyro I swear to God, half the 40k games are basically summarized as

"But it's unfinished."

"Don't care add microtranscations"

[late osprey]

If anything, a shooter would feature Eldar as the players first before the enemies, at least if the lore were even halfway followed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBvf7KUEZ78

[opaque coyote]

Like they have cool ideas but they're too half baked

[late osprey]

Their Dire Avengers literally dual-wield assault rifles

[opaque coyote]

@late osprey I always thought that if we ever have an Eldar protagonist game. It'd be similar to like Ultrakill

Or the modern Doom

[late osprey]

Absolutely

A Quake-style FPS as a Dire Avenger would go so hard

[opaque coyote]

Basically fast paced gameplay, but you also can easily get killed

[dapper gyro]

talks...

[polar hill]

Pardon me, what's your pfp? I can't figure it out for the life of me

[late osprey]

Disco Elysium's Endurance skill

[dapper gyro]

You have Hired guns...

[polar hill]

But is it like a person or a cloud or what

[dapper gyro]

Man, you are right Laati, so many half baked games...

[late osprey]

Skills in Disco Elysium have personalities because the main character is a schizophrenic lunatic, so it's technically a person

[opaque coyote]

@dapper gyro It's honestly quite sad. At least Boltgun and SM2 are finished and polished

[sacred ginkgo]

If Boltgun wasn’t polished that would be a problem

[arctic talon]

Boltgun is missing an automap

Which is enough to earn my distaste

It’s a boomer shooter and sells itself as a doom clone

Yet literally lacks a core feature

[sacred ginkgo]

Screamers of Tzeentch exist

Enough to earn my distaste

[arctic talon]

I can tolerate bullshit enemies

Tbh

My favorite doom game is doom 2 lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Anytime I see screamers I have to run into a hallway and heavy bolter spray until they die

Or I take my entire health in damage

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/revenant-doom-doom2-jumpscare-gif-22108444

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/archvile-intro-doom-eternal-demon-gif-16987418

Put full power doom 2 archvile in eternal

I think it would be “balanced”

[young pecan]

Still waiting for plague toads and especially nurglings

Even plaguebearers too

Even if they're a little less cool

[celest dome]

Nurgling I don't see as "enemy" per se

[young pecan]

How come?

[celest dome]

Too small

[sacred ginkgo]

Nurgling swarm as an extremely tanky enemy that takes extra damage based on your cleave

For every x cleave you have when you hit it, it multiplies damage by however many times you would have cleaved it

Dueling sword suddenly floundering

[young pecan]

This is a cool idea

I was also imagining little toe nibbler enemies

[languid meadow]

DTDA rev design my beloved

[young pecan]

Maybe slow but they are a threat that forces you to look lower than head-height

[astral burrow]

Finally made it to footfall in rogue trader

Still no cassia romance progress tho

The actual aurora battle was sooo easy

He used the weapon at first and dealt a fuck ton of damage, then I surrounded him with my melee guys so he had to pull out the knife lol, barely did anything, stacked some exploits and easy peasy

But no cassia progress, grrrr

Skeleton crew is pretty good too, at episode 4 rn

[tough haven]

After all this time you just now made it?

[tough haven]

Its not him, its the sniper

[astral burrow]

One shot it with a plasma rifle

Well, had like 1 hp left, then shot it with another normal gun

[astral burrow]

Yeah I haven't been playing lately

It was bugged for weeks since the patch

Smth with Microsoft store, they patched it recently

[astral burrow]

Nah this episode is fucked up lmao

Suburb planet was funny, but ||child soldier planet||????

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

NAZI

[astral burrow]

What a fucked up planet

[astral burrow]

At first I thought time runs differently in at attin and they arrived like years later or smth

But no it is just ||a planet that looks exactly like attin, and is in a perpetual war, and every child is a soldier||

That's not what I expected from this lighthearted family show lmao

[astral burrow]

The guy in charge is imperial?

He does seem like it

[storm jungle]

I dunno

I just wanted to post Mark Hamill pointing and going NAZI

[astral burrow]

Lmao

Jod is so awesome

He does rock that hairline lmao

They really gotta fix that droid bro is limping everywhere

Damn, the funny suburb planet is

Kinda fucked up actually

Lanupa lmao

[burnt jackal]

real mark hamil moment

[gray umbra]

I did nazi that coming

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-nod-mark-hamill-gif-26569877

[crystal forum]

does the helmet stay on during sex jackit

[gray umbra]

Yes

[crystal forum]

awesome

[plush mason]

the helmet always stays on

[astral burrow]

Damn, jod is very charismatic

But episode 5 made me very disappointed

[astral burrow]

He looks like he has uuuh

Lazy eye

[gray umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-creature-autism-creature-autism-yippee-tbh-creature-gif-18028501342418737771

"i wanted to be a hero once"

[crystal forum]

based night lord reference

[burnt jackal]

was in a psyker squad for maelstrom and they wanted me to leave for being a zealot lol

smh i just needed money

[dusky scroll]

Do Arbites do investigation of criminal activities? Or just riot control and "catching" criminals?

Like, if someone important assassinated, who takes charge of the investigation? If someone really important gets whacked, does the inquisition shows up?

[late osprey]

inquisition showing up is entirely at the discretion of the inquisitor, there's no hard protocol there

they can take over the investigation of a prole murder if they are so inclined

[arctic talon]

They do investigations if it interrupts the tithe in a bad way

[late osprey]

as for arbites, i think they do, but im not sure

[arctic talon]

Or they think there’s more to it

[late osprey]

arbites in my mind play the role of a sort of FBI

[arctic talon]

But otherwise they’ve got other worries

Yeah they’re literally the feds

[late osprey]

only things that are beyond the scope of an enforcer's precinct

or whatever precinct-equivalent

[polar hill]

Reminder that protection and enforcement of the Tithe is only the most common reason behind Arbites deployments and not the driving factor behind everything they do

[storm jungle]

It very much generally is.

We are not having this dumb argument again

lmao

[vital kernel]

They are always looking for the guilty.
Those who break imperial law are not always obvious or advertized, thats why Arbites do all sorts of investigating.

Fischig is investigating/hunting a perp active on multiple worlds when he runs into Eisenhorn and discovers they want the same guy.

[polar hill]

"Primary duty," not only duty. That's all I'm trying to point out

[storm jungle]

At this point its just semantics.

They dont give a shit about 95% of the regular crimes that happen in imperial worlds.

[forest orbit]

The Inquisition only shows up if its some HUGE political/paranormal/heretical thing. Arbites only investigate stuff if it affects the running of a world and the cogs of Adeptus Terra.

The Inquisition's reasons for showing up are generally "it depends" for the sake of story

[vital kernel]

Thats conjecture.

Here is a direct description from GW themself
Exaction Squads enforce the Lex Imperialis – the Imperial Law. Made up of the most highly skilled Adeptus Arbites, they are despatched to hunt down heinous criminals and secure their targets alive.

[storm jungle]

Cool. This is also from official material.

Also you do realise these are targets that affect said things right

[vital kernel]

Yeah doesn't mention any Tithe though. heinous criminals, not disobedient pencil pushers

[storm jungle]

[vital kernel]

Literally says "Enforce the Lex Imperialis" not "Enforce paying of the Tithe"

[storm jungle]

Interesting

so lets see here, from the same book

Heres a list of the criminals Exaction Squads hunt.

[vital kernel]

The Lex Imperialis is a body of work that requires multiple lifetimes to study, I'm sure it concerns more than "make sure your governor pays tithe"

[storm jungle]

both doing stuff that actively effects the runnings of it.

[late osprey]

which book is this from?

also

[storm jungle]

And another one.

Again.

[storm jungle]

Killteam Soulshackle, very good read. Goes into the stuff arbites do a lot.

[late osprey]

legally speaking, "protection and enforcement of the tithe" is so broad it clearly encompasses just about anything an arbites can be seen in the field doing anyway

[vital kernel]

That is the nature of large scale criminal activity though? Their throughline is that their actions affect things beyond their planetary jurisdiction.

[storm jungle]

Okay? Its still related to the tithe.

[late osprey]

hunting down a serial killer? serial killers put the tithe in jeopardy by killing workers

etc etc

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

Im not saying they dont do that.

Im saying they dont see to crimes UNLESS its affecting the running of a world.

[vital kernel]

We've had this discussion before, with that logic the Guard exists merely to protect the Tithe aswell.

[late osprey]

its all with the goal of maintaining the tithe yeah

[late osprey]

i mean...

[storm jungle]

And I provided excerpts time and again.

Theres nothing to argue.

Im legit left more confused than anything else

🤷‍♀️

[forest orbit]

No?

The Guard exists to fight the Emperors wars

[late osprey]

well its like

[vital kernel]

Excerpts mean shit. Arbites have a pretty clear job description, stripping all of that until you end up with Tithe protection as their main job is rather reductive and pointless.

[dusky scroll]

Didn't intend to poke the hornets nest... So the Arbites are not always deployed everywhere like regular police? Who does those? Like, patroling the streets, catching a pickpocket, taking bribes...

[late osprey]

for an IRL example, the US government nominally only has authority over "interstate commerce"

but commerce involves like

just about EVERYTHING

[storm jungle]

Excerpts mean everything. They are more or less the word of the people that write this stuff that get officialy approved. You not wanting to accept it is not really my problem.

[late osprey]

so they've used that to excuse most of their federal programs

likewise, "protecting the tithe" empowers them to do essentially anything if they also say that what's going on threatens the tithe

[storm jungle]

Yeah its left open ended, im once again not arguing against that obviously.

Its more that EVERYTHING they do is in the name of the Adeptus Terra.

[late osprey]

i don't see how such a broad power is reductive or pointless

i'm in agreement w/ dilara

[storm jungle]

Arbites basically sit on precint-fortresses dedicated upon every single Imperial world, their main job can involve any kind of crime as Tareldar said, the catch is it has to be something actually "serious" in their eyes that effects the Imperial Tithe.

They will let literal small civil wars happen for a governor to be replaced if it means the planet is run better, they wont lift a single finger.

But now say, some gang shootout accidentally killed thousands of civillians? They dont care.

BUT if it killed some administratum workers?

They are coming in to smash some heads.

[vital kernel]

Arbites having existed as an entity in the 40k universe for 30 years with defined characteristics is not overruled by excerpts from some rulebook.

Arbites are by definition and every available description the guardians and enforcers of Imperial Law in the Imperium. They are an Adeptus, they are not the Imperial Tax Police.

[storm jungle]

This is modern lore. Stuff gets old, retconned and rewritten. Either get used to it or just cross your arms and huff it off.

[late osprey]

do you HAVE a contrasting excerpt?

even disregarding that new lore overwrites old lore (something i think GW has explicitly said themselves)

[storm jungle]

I mean he posted one

[dusky scroll]

What about the small crimes? Who works on those?

[storm jungle]

but thats also from Soulshackle

[late osprey]

sorry i missed it

[storm jungle]

Planetary Enforcers.

rent-a-cops

corrupt to the core and usually just scumbags

they respond to about any dozens of crimes there is

[late osprey]

depending on where you are in the hive, either jolly bobbys who just write you a parking ticket or drugged up psychopaths looking for an excuse to kill a whole hab block

[storm jungle]

^

They do about anything the police forces of the world now do lol

Honest cops, awful cops, corrupt cops, bribery, actually doing their job, killing people for ratting them out, etc