40k-lore-chat

[humble shoal]

Their flesh can tank bolters

[median star]

i guess theyre just built diff

[humble shoal]

Yeah

[plush mason]

yup

[humble shoal]

They are literally just ogres

[dapper gyro]

?

[queen laurel]

These guy's are literally big enough and strong enough to drag around armored transports

[humble shoal]

Ogres with armor are terryfyung

[queen laurel]

Do you really think something armor is going to be needed for them?

[humble shoal]

But ogres do not need armor

[humble shoal]

Depends on how long they need to be taking shots

[queen laurel]

Yeah no one wants to be on the receiving end of a bullgryn

[humble shoal]

Might be able to tank 10 bolter rounds, but armor probably helps when tanking emplaced guns

[dapper gyro]

The one that dragged a tank is really one of "THE ONE" to be honest.

[median star]

do ogryns have any funny organs or is still just reg humans stuff but big

[queen laurel]

Yeah but physically speaking he's not that different

[dapper gyro]

Smarter than some human.

[queen laurel]

He's just smarter than average

[humble shoal]

Give me smart ogryns again

160 iq

[queen laurel]

Like physically he is still just an ogryn

[humble shoal]

Ogryns

[dapper gyro]

I guess

[plush mason]

iirc bullgryn have very heavy armor, because they just sit in the front line and launch grenades before crushing the survivors, so they are near bulletproof but slow as all hell

[dapper gyro]

I don't remember which book, but somewhere it says that bulwalk orgryn can take fire from a few CSM bolter shooting at them.

[median star]

the many faces of tinkerbell the ogryn

[dapper gyro]

I think I see what you mean. Except that if we take a value as baseline, and that value itself is not stable, it is not reliable to use it so scale the rest. I remember some forums say that human in 40k is 1.9m average because they are that better in the future then scale everything to 8-9' marine to 12-15' custodes... It is eh...

[plush mason]

afaik some books treat SM bolters as godtier omega level weapons that can one shot anything, and others threat them as little more than bottle rockets

the capabilities and performance of the many weapons armor and forces in 40k are the most prime example of GW's famous inconsistency

[polar hill]

I like the tidbit of original bolters not being intended for use against ceramite, so when the Heresy rolled around the Loyalist Astartes had to adapt their tactics to target the vacuum seals in the power armors' gaps

As a medieval nerd, it just feels very real to me

[vagrant fox]

No, I'm just saying it could be a tall firstborn.
Sources contradict each other, Wrath & Glory puts them at 7' +1d6'' in height and in Dante they're said to be 7' before even accounting for the armour. Generally speaking, they're between 7' and 7'5 in novels. Point being to me, there's seldom any hard fast and eternally true facts about 40k and it doesn't matter

One novel it's expected 50 kasrkin will die to take down one marine and it's abhorrent when it only takes 30 and in another novel one guy just shoots a marine through the eye lens for an instant kill, it don't matter

[misty vector]

Mkoll in gaunts ghosts takes out a dreadnought with an exploding powercell and some cacti

[storm jungle]

Mkoll's adamantium-grade plot armor

😭

[spring cairn]

named character power

[vagrant fox]

As long as it's cool it's fine

[plush mason]

rule of cool trumps all

[vagrant fox]

It's a weird vague spectrum of canon rather than single hard facts, I find it funny

As long as the stories are good I'm on board

[late osprey]

fantasy writers are OBSESSED with height its insane

warhammer, GRRM, even tolkien

you'd think they're all tinder girls!

[vagrant fox]

they're nerds so, basically

[astral burrow]

Obsessed with height, and still a lack of tall women

Smh smh

[humble shoal]

Does tolkein really have obnoxiously tall dudes

That arent like tree people

[polar hill]

Elves, wizards

[vagrant fox]

Aragorn is like 6'6

Galadriel and most of the elves in a similar range

[polar hill]

Morgoth, Sauron, etc are also really tall

Aragorn is taller than most Men since he's Númenórean

[late osprey]

all of the characters intended to be considered conventionally powerful are in the Height Race

but he never gives hard numbers, he just makes sure everyone is described as "tall"

GRRM literally does some "Well this guy's even TALLER by like two feet!!"

[humble shoal]

Because its from the perspective of hobbits

Everyone is tall

[late osprey]

LOL yeah

it's all written by Bilbo, after all

"Holy shit you're tall!"

[humble shoal]

Lotr is frodo

Hobbit is bilbo

[late osprey]

oh i guess he did write it, i thought bilbo wrote it from frodo's accounts

forgot that

they combo-wrote the Red Book ok now i remember

it's the book that Tolkien translated into English so, really, it's not his fault everyone's described as tall

[crystal forum]

interesting fact about dwarves is they weren't always explicitly described as short in norse mythology

[humble shoal]

Nah they were just greedy fricks

[crystal forum]

they were some sort of elemental spirit at first

idk im just reading wikipedia

i think that's why marvel made the dwarf in infinity war tall

but mostly as a joke

since they still used an actor with dwarfism which is funny

[humble shoal]

When I think of dward I think of regin

[crystal forum]

who

[vagrant fox]

you know, regin

smith

[humble shoal]

Dwarf from the volsung saga

Think also made the sword of siegfried

[vagrant fox]

In school we had to learn about runes and then about old timey tales and it always struck me as odd as to how elves were just gigantic shitbags who made you dance until you died or let you choose seven years of illness or death

and the bozo chose death

[humble shoal]

Or the dude who aged 500 years

[vagrant fox]

Thinking about it I long for death after a week of manflu so nevermind, death is preferable

Yeah, you're just out on your business and your shit gets fucked up for no reason. Wild

[crystal forum]

all commoner folklore can be simplified to "an evil entity gave me diabetes"

[humble shoal]

Thats moreso irish folklore

Norse got the giants, the funny horse, dwarves

[crystal forum]

aristocrat folklore is
"these guys were greater than us so let's do art about them or smth"

[humble shoal]

Or, placate entity so it doesnt give you diarrhea and cleans your hpuse

[vagrant fox]

Where I'm from we also have transplanted celtic folklore, like Selkies and what have you

My grandma would say a warning out loud before pouring anything outside as to not pour something on the little people

all that and what have you

I do wish we had more of the old timey norse stories, they're always great fun. Thor running into Odin who's disguised and they just insult each other for a while is my favourite

[humble shoal]

We dont have any of that

[humble shoal]

Loki getting impregnated by a horse

[arctic talon]

Reminder that elves are shorter then humans in dnd

Because reasons

[humble shoal]

Loki birthing a snake

[arctic talon]

He gave birth to one as well

[late osprey]

the conventional fantasy elf has more in common with the tuatha de danann than the norse elf

[vagrant fox]

Loki is just a nasty freak

[humble shoal]

Loki getting banned for having kids as a dude

[arctic talon]

Ye

[crystal forum]

either or. depends if they made some bullshit ritual to appease the bad hygiene spirit

[humble shoal]

Correct

[crystal forum]

the shit the human mind will make up to justify being ignorant

[humble shoal]

As tolkiens goal was to combine english folklore into a cohesive narrative

[crystal forum]

he made english folklore actually fun

so props to him

[vagrant fox]

the perfidious albion and fun do not mix

[humble shoal]

Which combines the saxon (beowulf viling shit), and irish

[crystal forum]

mythology can be so dry and boring

[humble shoal]

Tolkien was a chad of an english teacher

Who was put on a naughty list by hitler

For tolkien saying "god I wish I was a jew"

In reaponse to hitler asking if he was a jew

[arctic talon]

Japanese Yokai mythology: and then you die horribly

[crystal forum]

if tolkien lived today people would tell him to stop ruining the english language

[humble shoal]

Yup

[arctic talon]

Why

[humble shoal]

Fox girls are in the wild remember that

[queen laurel]

The fuck

[humble shoal]

The rock has been broken

[queen laurel]

That's a first

[crystal forum]

people refuse to accept that writers and poets invent words all the time and that's how literature works

[queen laurel]

A setting where elves are shorter than humans

Usually the bastards are taller

[crystal forum]

look up how many english words were first used in a shakespear play

[arctic talon]

Humans are on average 5’5 to 5’7 in dnd depending on edition

Elves are on average 5’2 to 5’5 depending on edition

[crystal forum]

sorry don't let me interrupt your nerding

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot

I remember this from my high school English classes

Lol

Like there’s a ton of them

[humble shoal]

Anyway dwarves were made small because "greed" I think

In middle earth

Elves were tall cuz pride

[crystal forum]

not because they are literal cave people?

[arctic talon]

Makes sense

[queen laurel]

What about orcs how tall are they in dnd

[humble shoal]

Nah because then hobbits would be taller than dwarves

And hobbits arent taller than dwarves

[crystal forum]

i thought hobbits were short because of how unassuming they are

simple folk

[humble shoal]

I mean that is the point

[arctic talon]

Over 6ft on average

[humble shoal]

Literally the little guy

[arctic talon]

Iirc

[languid meadow]

Yeah it's 6ft

[arctic talon]

I don’t think anything is given beyond that

[crystal forum]

i love how literal tolkien was

[arctic talon]

Height wise

[humble shoal]

Its great

[languid meadow]

Horcs would be around prob 5'9-10ish I bet

[humble shoal]

Still find it funny he though lewis caroll was too direct

Or whoever wrote narnia

[queen laurel]

Hey that's pretty respectable

[crystal forum]

tolkien is an english teacher's best friend

[rocky gale]

CS Lewis

[humble shoal]

New it was a different dude

[crystal forum]

do you remember the narnia movie

[humble shoal]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

was it good? i was child

[humble shoal]

It was fine

The later ones were less good

[young pecan]

Why is Ravenor Omnibus not being printed

[arctic talon]

5’0 to 6’10 is the given range in 5e.

5’0 seems really short for a half orc

[young pecan]

Had to go to a GW store and it wasn't even there either

[arctic talon]

Based on most depictions

[arctic talon]

Black library moment

[humble shoal]

The last narnia book was very literal

In this themes

Veeeery literal

[crystal forum]

wasn't it a children's book series

or was it teenager

young adult perhaps

[polar hill]

Narnia

[humble shoal]

YA I think

[arctic talon]

Oh also I got it wrong elves in dnd are way fucking shorter lol. They’re

4’7(on the low end) to 5’5(on the high end) for averages

But this is from 3e

[humble shoal]

When aslan turns into a lamb and sacrifices itself to bring the faithful to a new paradice.

[queen laurel]

What about 5e

What's their height range on that b****

[crystal forum]

bulgur desperate that maybe orcs will be as tall as him

just one more edition

[arctic talon]

5’0 to 5’5 on average

[queen laurel]

Wealth at least now they are 5 foot

[arctic talon]

There’s obviously taller and shorter people

But that applies to all averages lol

The 4’7 figure in 3e is apparently if you roll 2 1’s if you decide to roll for height

Lol

[languid meadow]

I've been forced to learn more about asmon

[crystal forum]

the streamer?

[languid meadow]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

everything i have learned about him has been against my will

[queen laurel]

The cockroach king is the face of twitch after all

[languid meadow]

"I don't wear deodorant because I'm not fat"

He hasn't used it since 14

[crystal forum]

you dont have to go outside to be a successful streamer

or have any skills

or intelligence

[vagrant fox]

You don't even need to be particularly bright

[arctic talon]

Not wearing deodorant isn’t the weirdest

But like

[languid meadow]

Just grift

[arctic talon]

He doesn’t shower

[young pecan]

Sorta related but do you know the lore about elf trances?

[vagrant fox]

Forsen is one of the most gormless people I've ever seen and he has so many viewers

[young pecan]

It's really neat

[arctic talon]

What about them

The visions of past lives part?

Also funny that drow can’t trance

[young pecan]

Trances aren't just meditating, they're able to perfectly recall any of their memories from their current life

[young pecan]

That too

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/i3bz7aeqCXM?si=O03eeVCaE9CBT4Q2

[young pecan]

Elves only unlock the current life recall at around age 100, and until that point they slowly lose their primordial memories of hanging out with Corellon in harmony

[arctic talon]

Elves in dnd are pretty unique jokes aside

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[young pecan]

Super sad stuff so they celebrate it

[crystal forum]

he still trims his beard which is interesting

i think he lies about how gross he is for attention

[young pecan]

Yeah, Corellon's wife was an ass

[queen laurel]

You really think he would go as far as to fake those photos of his house?

[crystal forum]

would it be difficult?

[humble shoal]

Other people have basically been skeeved out by him

[arctic talon]

Yes

We have literally seen the “blood” wall

[humble shoal]

Like using shampoo as soap

[queen laurel]

I mean maybe not really but why go that far you know

[arctic talon]

I have seen it against my will

[raven stone]

People have done more for less…

[vagrant fox]

yea the blood wall

the bleeding gums bit

[crystal forum]

streamers are fucked in the head

[queen laurel]

There's a creature that fell out of his roof apparently

[vagrant fox]

The decaying rat as a wakeup alarm

[arctic talon]

There’s a dead animal

In his attic

He fell through his roof

[queen laurel]

I am 90% sure his house looks like the ways it is described

[arctic talon]

Searching for the rotting corpse

So either he broke his own roof for clout

Or it’s true

[humble shoal]

He looks like the average hardcore wow raider from the 2000s room

[queen laurel]

Yeah either it is genuinely fake like you guys said or he is genuinely horrific

[arctic talon]

Less sanitary then one prolly

[humble shoal]

So I believe it

[hallow plover]

That's what he is

[young pecan]

No one asked but my character in a new campaign I've been in is actually dealing with this alone because he wanted to adventure twenty years early at the age of 80

[humble shoal]

Nah

[young pecan]

He's gonna be a divination wizard when we hit third level

[arctic talon]

Very fun

[humble shoal]

Wow hardcore raiders had some nasty shit

In their houses

[queen laurel]

He joins nurgle and i am 100% sure he is immediately ascending into a daemon prince

[humble shoal]

He already is a champion of nurgle

[opaque coyote]

I swear he might already be one

How else would he have a fan base?

[humble shoal]

I honestly got no idea how he got a fanbase

[young pecan]

Asmongold plague toad cosplay when

[humble shoal]

Even as a griftet

[opaque coyote]

Again

Daemon prince

Only reasonable explanation

Must be the warp

[young pecan]

MMO fans don't have very high standards for quality in their content so naturally they attach to him as a content creator for an MMO

[humble shoal]

I mean

Wow has tons of content creators

Swifty

Swifty

And even swifty

[arctic talon]

He’s not even good at WoW anymore

💀

[humble shoal]

This

The mass shooter was better at wow

[young pecan]

The what

[humble shoal]

Anders Brevik, a man who killed like 50 people was a hardcore wow raid leader.

[humble shoal]

Was he ever good at wow?

[arctic talon]

Used to

He fell off

He used to be good at arena

Now all he does is bitch about warrior

Even when they’re the best spec

[tulip sand]

My headcanon is my zealot is a sororitas foot cleaner who joined the inquisition

[arctic talon]

This is all second hand info via osmosis

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-arthur-nightingale-warframe-1999-1999-gif-4632106320046100632

[queen laurel]

I mean warriors do what they are made to do and that is eat damage and and then hit you back

[tulip sand]

Among old doesnt rly even talk about wow

[queen laurel]

Why would you b**** about something simple

[humble shoal]

Screw death knights and their annoying parry percentages

[tulip sand]

He did say that he felt like a dick eater because he spent so long playing wow and didnt experience shit like oblivion etc

[arctic talon]

Getting doxxed in wow for playing shadow priest in arena

[arctic talon]

Lol

[humble shoal]

Ngl last time I played wow was wotlk

[arctic talon]

The new expansion is fun

[tulip sand]

I barely even know what wow is

[arctic talon]

But I am very casual now lol

[tulip sand]

All I know is that there are raids

[arctic talon]

Not like I was in high school

[humble shoal]

Im not picking up an mmo

[arctic talon]

Good

Lol

[tulip sand]

And i saw ads for pandas or some shit on youtube back when i was 13-14

[arctic talon]

Holy peak

[humble shoal]

It is a timesink

Last mmo I played was archeage

[arctic talon]

All MMOs are a time sink

[humble shoal]

That was fun, I led a race war

[arctic talon]

Of a horrific variety

Also playing shadow priest is funny in the new expac

You get a bunch of special dialogue

• people are rude to you

Lol

[tulip sand]

Panda game

[humble shoal]

(To be clear I was teamkilled by a certain guild of mexicans and a coalition of guilds decided to.... remove them)

[late osprey]

no dwarfs were always small in middle earth

thats just how they were made

[humble shoal]

I was referring to tolkiens logic

As in greedy therefore small

[late osprey]

i dont know if thats ever really said

[young pecan]

My headcanon is Nurgle's rancid visitations upon you

[late osprey]

they're probably small because it'd be really silly to name something a dwarf that isn't

the norse thing is literally just an arbitrary translation

like the norse word doesn't translate to dwarf at all, its just our guess

likewise with giant

[rocky gale]

Whenever I think of Dwarves I always think of the quote from Dragon Age Origins, "The Tragedy of the Dwarves who dug too high and too frugal and struck elves"

[humble shoal]

The greed is from the saxon bit

[jade holly]

Isn’t the word dwarf by its nature used to describe something small? Like a Dwarf Star or a Dwarf planet

[late osprey]

yeah

[humble shoal]

Surface dwellers

Casteless

Prince bhelen seen consorting with castless harrowmont discovers

[late osprey]

which isnt how you can use dvergr

and the jotunn/giant matter is identical

its literally just someone arbitrarily said dvergr turns to dwarf in english

[humble shoal]

Which was assumedly tolkien

[late osprey]

no

[humble shoal]

As the dude who did the first translation

From saxon to modern english

[late osprey]

if thats from the saxon translation it's most assuredly derived from the preexisting norse translation

[humble shoal]

It would have to be someone doing translations so tolkien is a good bet

Saxon = norse doesnt it

[late osprey]

germanic revivalisms are at least 50 years before tolkien's career

people were translating old norse in the 1800s, approximately when the Wagner's works were in full swing

[humble shoal]

To english?

[astral burrow]

Time to continue andormaxxing

[humble shoal]

Or is the dwarf ->dvergr something the germans did

[late osprey]

old norse to contemporary german, and then to english around the same time because people did translate for each other then

[humble shoal]

I would love to blame the germans (its a passtime)

[late osprey]

its PROBABLY the germans who did this, yes

[humble shoal]

Alright

[late osprey]

since they were the ones spearheading the revival

[humble shoal]

Good to know

I assumed it was some quirk of norse->english as opposed to norse->german

[late osprey]

in norse lore, we essentially only have the eddas as a primary source

and some occasional big rock in scandinavia

[humble shoal]

What about faroese sources?

[vagrant fox]

Nothing written

Just ballads

[humble shoal]

Ah

[late osprey]

most of the aforementioned big rocks and other sources don't tell us much about their folklore or myths, they're usually practical (by their standards) to commemmorate events or awesome dudes

[vagrant fox]

I think most of the ballads are from the middle ages from what I've learnt, adapting older stories

[late osprey]

in terms of knowing anything about anything about their myths (and therefore wtf dwarfs even are, for example), it's like

ONLY the eddas

it gets wacky cuz like

a lot of our "primary sources" are essentially middle ages people writing creative fanfiction

eddas we know probably aren't that

but the Wagner cycle is essentially fanfiction in that it doesn't come from the Norse themselves to my knowledge

[crystal forum]

it's always the fucking victorians

[late osprey]

but that WAS when people were rediscovering their old norse/old german heritage

like it was the big cultural craze

[vagrant fox]

Victorians are funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoLxhUutwQY

[late osprey]

the wagner cycle derives from a 1200s story

[vagrant fox]

This is pretty cool

[crystal forum]

we will dig up the past to justify our racism!!! let's fucking goo

[late osprey]

ironically hitler hated this

[vagrant fox]

We've got a bunch of ballads, and Regin Smiður is sung often but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't really resemble the original stories

[late osprey]

Jackson Crawford is my #1 favorite source for understanding old norse mythology

[crystal forum]

hitler hated many things

[late osprey]

well hitler specifically thought the ancient germans were shit-flinging barbarians and thought it was embarassing

and didnt understand the craze at all

hated himmler for doing it

[polar hill]

"Ve vill uncover our hidden pazt!

Sheisse es ist all mud huts"

[crystal forum]

if only fascists could stop caring about the aesthetics of ancient history for 1 fucking minute

[vagrant fox]

Aesthetics is the most important thing

Every day I dress in period accurate gothic clothing and celebrate the sack of Rome 410 best day of my life

[late osprey]

fWIW MOST of our understanding of germanic folklore in the modern era comes from that craze

so its good that it happened from a cultural perspective

otherwise it would've just been lost

[vagrant fox]

It is what it is, we can only strive to learn more

[languid meadow]

Hmm today I will use a term that describes Indo-Iranians to describe my white ubermensch

[late osprey]

there's an alternate universe where he describes his white ubermensch as the Han

[vagrant fox]

American christianity is on some other level of heresy

[polar hill]

Protestantism*

[vagrant fox]

They are, god forgive me, worse than catholics

[young pecan]

So glad the past pope was a good person and that it seems like the new pope may have the makings of a good person

Even if I disagree with the religion, they are good figures and live to the standards of humility and kindness

[young pecan]

||(afaik)||

[crystal forum]

dont forget evangelicals

[polar hill]

Evangelicals are Prots too

[crystal forum]

ah

im not up to date on US religion lore

[late osprey]

if it's not catholic or othodox, it's protestant

and that's a universal

[polar hill]

Tl;dr, Catholicism = main Church, Eastern Orthodoxy = schismatics, everything else is Protestantism

[crystal forum]

i know the basic stuff

but later day saints are not protestants

[polar hill]

Including Islam, which is a heresy of Christianity

Mormons are a very funny flavor of heretical

[late osprey]

they're protestants, they come from the same roots as every other protestant sect

[crystal forum]

there are many many minor branches

[crystal forum]

still not protestants

[young pecan]

Bed rockers as a concept is so fucking funny

Even more funny that many of them actually do that

[polar hill]

They are lol, definitionally

[languid meadow]

American born religions are scams and cults

[late osprey]

they are, protestant is a term to describe "Not Catholic, Not Orthodox"

[crystal forum]

that is just not true

[late osprey]

yes it is

[opaque coyote]

I really want to make a 40k version of this

[crystal forum]

according to who?

[late osprey]

according to the actual history of christianity?

[opaque coyote]

But what type of meetup would it be

[late osprey]

oh there's actually one other exception

ethiopian church isn't protestant

[young pecan]

Like the different factions?

[late osprey]

its also its own thing

[languid meadow]

Abhumans being pro imperium?

[crystal forum]

there's a shit tin of exceptions lmao

[late osprey]

no, there's three

[crystal forum]

religion is not one giant monolith

[late osprey]

in christianity, if you're not one of those three, you're protestant

[young pecan]

Can probably do a bunch of the spess muhreen factions

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Either that or Thunder Warriors.

[polar hill]

Actually, ya know what? Mormonism isn't Protestant because even most Protestants aren't insane and heretical enough to deny the Trinity lol

[crystal forum]

according to the 1700's pope??? where did you learn this

this is blatantly untrue

there is way more nuance to christianity

[late osprey]

you're not listening when im saying that protestant is a categorical term

[polar hill]

Nah

[crystal forum]

according to WHO

your own dreams??

[late osprey]

lmao yeah

i made it up, sure

[polar hill]

Bro's deranged

[young pecan]

no nuance
i dont like it
simple as

[late osprey]

anyway

within protestantism is every other sect you've heard of

[languid meadow]

If you have a super oversimplified history of the 3 big it's just this, they're all just heresies of a Canaan god

[crystal forum]

nobody with any idea of theology would categorize christians under 3 groups that's insane

[late osprey]

like baptism, lutherism, and including mormonism

[late osprey]

four groups actually

[polar hill]

Anyway. Catholicism is the truth. May Luther's fruit continue to mald

[late osprey]

protestantism is defined by having roots from the protestant reformation

[crystal forum]

@viral halo hey man what do you think about dividing christianity in only 3 major groups

[late osprey]

this includes literally every single non-catholic sect in america

[late osprey]

four, actually

[crystal forum]

what use is this

[late osprey]

or non-orthodox

or non-ethiopian

[crystal forum]

what benefit is there to only using 4 groups

[opaque coyote]

I think that Tareldar is saying that Protestant is a generalized blanket term for a lot of sub-denominations?

Which is technically true. A lot of offshoots like Puritans are categorically considered protestant.

[crystal forum]

you dont speak for him laati

[late osprey]

well that's literally what im saying

i literally said that protestant is a categorical term

[young pecan]

9/11 cheersquad reenactment

[jade holly]

Me, a non-denominational Christian

[late osprey]

which is in of itself ALSO prot lol

[vagrant fox]

Technically, protestantism at its fundamental level is rejection of the universal authority of the pope and going directly to the bible and each believer can spread gods teachings. More or less, I think. By that, most of the wackass evangelical beliefs are protestant

But raised in a very protestant enviroment, nah man they're not

[jade holly]

Ok pal oh buddy o mine

[vagrant fox]

they're just insane weirdos

[late osprey]

"protestant" environment doesnt mean anything on its own

[viral halo]

Only christianity with apostolic succession should be recognized, everything else should be considered non denominational

[vagrant fox]

ok nordic protestant enviroment

[late osprey]

well what i moreso mean to say is that

its the sub-groups that give meaning

[crystal forum]

well you said it shittily

[late osprey]

no, you just don't know what "categorical" means

[viral halo]

I was raised and baptised in a lutheran household, growing up in the lutheran church the pastor literally felt like an agent of satan who cared more about politics than spreading the word of god-I got moved BACK to catholicism

[young pecan]

Not to be mean but I figured what he was saying

[polar hill]

That is not what non-denominational means lol.

[vagrant fox]

long story short, papists are satanists and only the protestant european countries cleave to the truth burn the rest

[viral halo]

I am aware

[jade holly]

Long story short: I’m hungry and want some chicken

[viral halo]

American Protestantism and Evangelism is awful

[jade holly]

[late osprey]

Pastor Greg's Baptist Church talking about Pastor Dave's Luthernas like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YiAzyCzZzw

[vagrant fox]

My home has been permanently fucked up by evangelicals and they're almost universally shitty people it's very funny

[opaque coyote]

I guess in terms of pure category.

Protestant is just "not following the Pope for whatever reason".

However, denominations are also a confusing topic in general. And honestly attempting to even list them all, or what counts as one, is probably the closest thing to hell that I can think of.

So I'll just end it there

[viral halo]

I summed it all up very well in another discord the other day

[late osprey]

well protestant is specifically from the protestant reformation, so orthodox and ethiopians aren't protestant

[polar hill]

🫵 German. I'll include you in my rosary tonight

[late osprey]

because their divide is older than the reformation

[jade holly]

In the church I grew up with, all we did was:

Read stories from Bible
Understand the message from that story
Learn to apply it to everyday life
Sing some songs
Eat

[vagrant fox]

I'm Faroese 🫵

The Irish ruined my home

[opaque coyote]

Fantastic.

Personally I believe we should go back to the days where cults used drugs.

[polar hill]

DANE

Even WORSE

Jk

[vagrant fox]

this is the worst insult

[viral halo]

Also after heavily studying theology and exposing myself to all different religions in conjunction with my primary university studies back in the day it was pretty much revealed to me that the Catholics have it majority right

[vagrant fox]

The Irish ruined my fucking home, fucking Plymouth Brethren are huge assholes

[opaque coyote]

I mean I would smoke weed for Jesus

[young pecan]

I'm a satanist but non-theistically

[jade holly]

The Dutch scare me, they drained like 1/3 of their nation to inhabit more of it

[viral halo]

The Dutch should drain me instead

[vagrant fox]

I don't respect the Dutch, they invaded once

[opaque coyote]

Wouldn't be surprised if they eventually drain the ocean.

EVERY LAND IS DUTCH

[jade holly]

The Dutch gave us a sick temporary flag based on the descriptions we gave them

[viral halo]

Anyways, back to teaching I go bye bye

[opaque coyote]

By Siggy

Bye*

Bleh

[rocky gale]

[opaque coyote]

Words hard

[polar hill]

The irony in this is that all non-theists and atheists are Satanists unwittingly

I will not elaborate

[jade holly]

Apparently Satanists these days are super boring

[late osprey]

satanism is mostly just trying to troll Pastor David's congregation of like 20 people, its less of a real thing

[young pecan]

Sort of?

[opaque coyote]

Satanism is basically just

Trolling

[rocky gale]

Satanists also like don't actually worship Satan

[jade holly]

Yeah and now they’re do a terrible job at it

[late osprey]

when you read what they're about it's like the most reddit atheist thing ever

[young pecan]

Atheism is the denial of higher powers, Satanism is anti-religion and prioritizes kindness

[opaque coyote]

Personally, I prefer the Spaghetti Monster.

[vagrant fox]

Short height and terrible sense for religion, permanently ruined

[opaque coyote]

It is delicious

[jade holly]

At least it’s not Scientology

[opaque coyote]

God.

[young pecan]

Eated him, no more Spaghetti Monster sadly

[opaque coyote]

Damn

He truly was eaten for our sins

[young pecan]

Caring about things is cringe moment

[paper haven]

Hey kids.

[opaque coyote]

Personally.

I don't really care that much about whether God exists.

I mean

If he does

That's nice

If he doesn't

Eh

[polar hill]

Atheist diet-Satanists be like, "Reject the Christian moral framework! Just be nice to each other! Be nice based on what? Uh, the Christian moral framework..."

[vagrant fox]

The only thing I'm really interested in is taoism or buddhism, even then it feels more like a guide to a sensible life

[opaque coyote]

Oh no

[young pecan]

My perspective, at least of the Christian god, is if he exists then he is not good, at least not entirely or even majorly

[late osprey]

It's called being a decent human being??

[crystal forum]

i prefer believing in myself and the continued existence of the material universe

because that is all i know

[jade holly]

God in Christianity is simply all powerful, he can be benevolent, he can be malevolent

[polar hill]

Exactly lol, it's always the same

[paper haven]

I like the thought about how atheists are more honest because when they do a good deed, it's not in service to some karmic checklist.

[late osprey]

most atheists will not tell you it's because they were brought up in a christian society, actually

[opaque coyote]

Basically

Don't be a dick and stab people in the chest or something like that.

If you get into heaven or even purgatory. Great.

If you get into hell. He wasn't worth worshipping anyways.

[paper haven]

Plus, in my experience, the religious types are suuuuper judgemental

[late osprey]

based pure logic

[viral halo]

In the Old Testament of the Bible (Jewish part) he moves like Mcdonald's sprite-In the New Testament (Christian Bible) he's about as benevolent as it gets until some Old testament reminders in revelations

[languid meadow]

It's literally not hard to be nice and a decent people

[young pecan]

Utilitarianism is what I follow majorly for my morality
Satanism's tenets deviate from Christianity's morals regardless

[jade holly]

Literally the most well known rule imo of Christianity is:
do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Literally just

Don’t be an ass

[late osprey]

the conventional "nice and decent person" comes from a christian framework is more the point to be made

especially when you consider just how different and and diverse people's ethics can actually be throughout the world and history

[viral halo]

People hate to see this but for a large chunk of history this is super true

[paper haven]

Treat others how you want to be treated. Simple.
Note: Most people fail this simple task.

[viral halo]

like almost inarguably

[jade holly]

And how nowadays we seem to celebrate being toxic and violent to one another

[viral halo]

This is so fucking funny

[jade holly]

The internet is such a blessing, and such a curse at the same time

[languid meadow]

I know right? the holy McRib

[viral halo]

It also says specifically that if you're a Christian you can't be a bigoted ahole-judge not lest ye be judged.

[crystal forum]

i think people seek excuses to do good acts. religion has never really made people good, since bad people can still be believers.

[outer wave]

Its easy when you can dehumanize other certain people while staying anonymous

[opaque coyote]

I mean

Kind of? But it's also debatable.

Generally we instinctually don't want to murder people. Christianity was also influenced by other religions as well. Christmas takes the place of a pagan holiday that was adapted.

[plush mason]

i aruge its a bigger curse than blessing

[late osprey]

when Liu Bei famously threw his infant baby to the ground and said that wives and children are like clothes that can be replaced, it was intended to be lauded as virtuous and heroic in the context of medieval china

[plush mason]

misinformation has only flown from it from the start after all

[viral halo]

I don't remember this part of Dynasty Warriors

[jade holly]

People got too used to not getting punched in the face when talking mad smack. Paraphrasing Mike Tyson here

[polar hill]

"We don't instinctually want to murder people" lol

[late osprey]

when the viking sagas describe their heroes raiding england or assaulting women, this is in the context of showing how awesome and virtuous they are

[rocky gale]

I prefer the Dynasty Warrior Empire games

[viral halo]

Christianity taught a large amount of the world to value human life which is what Tareldar is trying to say

[late osprey]

it actually does feature in Romance of a Three Kingdoms, the whole show is on youtube even

[outer wave]

Agreed generally, except some people are just that stupid to say that kinda shit in other people's faces anyway

[jade holly]

And in Greece heroics was seen as demonstrations of strength and power, Odysseus was seen not so much in a heroic light tmk

[plush mason]

the exact opposite of what is actually the case lmao

[jade holly]

Because he was cunning

[viral halo]

To really really really fucking dumb it down, look at what traits are found virtous or evil by certain religions in crusader kings III lmfao

and see which ones lasted until today

[crystal forum]

did it siggy? i think that's being condescending to ancient humans

[plush mason]

300k years ago not killing another human could mean you starve to death after all

[opaque coyote]

True, but also there were stories back in ancient Sumeria where that type of thing was discouraged.

I am not denying that a lot of moral framework isn't based on Christianity. But Christianity was also based on various other religions.

Humanity usually takes ideas and builds up them.

[late osprey]

ancient humans were psychopathic by modern standards

[paper haven]

Yeah but so does Christian doctrine applaud the horrific acts of the Spanish inquisition and the crusades

[viral halo]

Good bait

[crystal forum]

im not baiting siggy, it's what i believe. i would never bait you

[late osprey]

actually it didnt, the atrocities of the Crusades were treated with very recognizable horror when word spread to the rest of Europe

like the reason we know that the Crusaders were eating people was specifically because it was so shocking

[crystal forum]

there was a lot more to ancient humanity than gladiator battles and brutal wars

[plush mason]

those in power use othering to maintain power

[rocky gale]

Bruh we've literally got evidence of cavemen caring for and protecting people with broken legs

[plush mason]

religious rule was no different

a non-christian isnt a true human

[late osprey]

there is, but only in ancient humans do we have the Assyrians building giant mountains of skulls and going "This is fucking soooo coool!!!"

[opaque coyote]

Christianity is the modern framework for sure.

But I don't believe that human empathy and psychopathy was purely developed by it.

[paper haven]

Christianity wasn't the first time people figured out kindness

[polar hill]

Reminder that a lot of what is popularly "known" about the Spanish Inquisition comes from Victorian Protestant, anti-Catholic prejudice. The Inquisition was nowhere near as bad as it's made out nowadays

[plush mason]

^

[crystal forum]

tooth surgery, even some forms of brain surgery by drilling holes in the skull to relieve head trauma

[languid meadow]

but not killing one could mean a bigger meal, we are inherently a social species and cooperation is in our blood. Of course this doesn't stop conflict since other social animals have them as well. But we made it this far due to our socialness and willingness to help each other.

[paper haven]

It was still a genocide followed by purges and torture

[plush mason]

exactly, its all about the situation at hand

[polar hill]

No it wasn't lol

[rocky gale]

Literally Khorne in 40k

[crystal forum]

humanity existed for many years prior to even the earliest written civilization

[young pecan]

Never ask a "Christianity was the original moral framework" how Christianity was spread a majority of the time

[paper haven]

I have watched Christian cartoons talk about it in cherry song form

[opaque coyote]

Humanity is a contradictory species in general.

We are capable of great empathy and kindness.

But we are also capable of great cruelty as well.

Whether much of it is instinctual or a byproduct of our societies is still up for debate however.

In general, I think it's somewhere in-between.

[late osprey]

the aggregate majority is more peaceful than not

[languid meadow]

I mean early early Christianity was spread peacefully, now later ehhhh

[late osprey]

generally the violent moments come from people being opportunistic

[polar hill]

3000 people over the course of 350 years is not a genocide ye goose, and of those deaths, the vast majority were carried out by secular authorities

[vagrant fox]

It's the coolest shit. Shanidar 1 had the shittiest life and was cared for long past when he couldn't do much of anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlnWsUczd4

[opaque coyote]

It's a similar story to a lot of other religions

"Look, God totally wants me to murder these people. This totally isn't just me being selfish."

[plush mason]

we are primates and primates have very strange instincts, their insticts are more learned than inate

[crystal forum]

christians often tend to view pagans as brutal people who would eat eachother alive if given the chance. it's a shame that few records survive of these beliefs

[plush mason]

"monkey see, monkey do"

[late osprey]

THIS was overwhelmingly common unfortunately

[paper haven]

Genocide isn't about the numbers killed or even killing. It's about displacement and cultural destruction, which the reconquista absolutely was.

[late osprey]

most of the violence ostensibly sprung from Christianity was instead secular in nature but vindicated after the fact with religion

for example how the norse stopped being pagan not from crusaders, but from norse who converted just killing their pagan neighbors and taking their shit

[crystal forum]

i dont think religion creates evil but it doesn't create good from people either. you need to understand the middle ground statement

[plush mason]

so the question about human instict verse learned behaviors is a moot one as for us they are largely one in the same

[opaque coyote]

However, how do we know it isn't the case for other religions as well?

Even ancient pagan ones.

It's why I scoff whenever people blame religion for genocide.

It's just one excuse that some terrible actors use out of an entire playbook.

[late osprey]

well christianity is unique because it's universalist and, more importantly, kinda won

so everyone remembers its instance

[crystal forum]

universalist?

[polar hill]

Lol
Lmao
The Muslims had been invading and occupying the Iberian Peninsula since the 8th century. If anyone was carrying out a genocide, by your definition, it was them until the Spanish punted them back out

[late osprey]

as opposed to folkist, basically christianity was set apart because it obsessively converts

while, say, pagan religions don't really do that

[plush mason]

the first ever recorded act of genocide was when the Greeks poisoned a city's water for taxing pilgrims to the temple of Apollo

[late osprey]

its more about the culture and society that shapes what we instinctively become good; it's more a historical fact to say that our morals come from a christian framework, not necessarily that you have to be christian to be good

[opaque coyote]

It is widespread in America and Europe.

Not so much in India and Asia. In fact it's vastly outnumbered in comparison to Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

[late osprey]

i think ideology can play a similar, if not IDENTICAL role to religion if it dominates a society

[crystal forum]

it is not a fact, do not distort that word

[late osprey]

consider the people brought up in say, communist china who became the Red Guard

[plush mason]

as always faith is used to justify earthly things, they only poisoned the city's river because the city was taking money from the priests of Apollo

[late osprey]

unless you disagree that historical facts can exist at all, then it is

(which is a valid position to have)

[opaque coyote]

A general theory on why Zeus was so freaky is because kings wanted to claim that they were the son of god

[young pecan]

I think religion is a net downside. Good lessons can be instilled in people who otherwise wouldn't care, but it's the wrong way, and teaches reliance on institutions who can and consistently have, even today, absolutely manipulate its people. Not to mention you're doing the right thing for the wrong reason

[crystal forum]

i disagree that you assume your religious based argument is factual

[opaque coyote]

And so

"yeah uh Zeus fucked my mom"

'Mine too!"

"and me!"

[languid meadow]

Zeus fucked many moms

[late osprey]

it's not, it's historical. western civilization has its roots in the enlightenment, which in of itself was a logical conclusion of christian ideals

[young pecan]

And many things he shouldn't have

[late osprey]

like this is evident when you read the original enlightenment arguments

[polar hill]

SCATTER

[paper haven]

Never said the Muslims occupying the Iberian peninsula were nice about it.
But when it was time for Christianity to show its moral fiber, it did the same, which is the core of my issue.
Christianity is not some bastion of goodwill, they were just as vicious as anyone else.

[crystal forum]

it was an opposition to those ideals! that is such catholic whitewashing

[plush mason]

got to have some reason for all the power they have after all. cant have the low borns thinking they could become king or that they knew better

[storm jungle]

An ideology is an idealogy is an idealogy, at the end of the day religion is just like any of them and can be used for good/evil things.

I dont really believe in it and accept that its a coping mechanism which is completely fine but its always been religious people in my line of experience who usually make me get irked by these subjects more than non-religious ones

Which is a shame but it is what it is.

[late osprey]

no, enlightenment thinkers were not atheistic in the slightest

[polar hill]

⛳ ----> ⛳

[late osprey]

yes, it was in opposition of catholic control

[young pecan]

I like the Greek pantheon because they do not try to hide that the god or gods, if existent, absolutely are flawed just like us

[opaque coyote]

Personally I just don't care.

God ain't paying my student loans. I don't expect God to pay my student loans. So I don't care.

[young pecan]

That's a very cool thing to me

[opaque coyote]

[crystal forum]

when did i ever say that?

[storm jungle]

Greek religion is great because its just them making homebrew gods up for fun/ideals, its pretty funny as much as it is morbid/horrific 💀

[languid meadow]

we should actually return to tradition and just worship Canaan pantheon

MORE BABIES FOR MOLOCH

[paper haven]

That applies more to you than myself.

[opaque coyote]

I find it fascinating since Greek Gods are less a "paragon" and more resembling concepts.

And as such, due to resembling concepts, they were flawed and human.

[polar hill]

If you lack that much self-awareness, sure, let's go with that. Shoo, vade retro

[late osprey]

maybe you didn't, but the christian ideals in question are the ones of human dignity and equality; the logical conclusion of which being egalitarianism

[storm jungle]

It makes a lot more sense once you realise they just made them up for whatever was hip at the time but their creation mythos IRL is pretty interesting.

[rocky gale]

"If Zeus is King of the Gods, why's he such an ass. He just wrecks shit and fucks peoples wives"

"Yea dude, that's what Kings do"

[late osprey]

very much this, the gods that were worshipped and the gods in the stories were radically different beings

[languid meadow]

the greek gods are the literal embodiment of their spheres, idk why people don't get that.

[paper haven]

I said the reconquista was a genocide. It still is even if the Muslims also committed genocide.

[crystal forum]

the concepts that humanity has been striving for since before the written word? how nice of christianity to claim basic human kindness

[late osprey]

like zeus the freakster was not the same as zeus the lawgiver

[storm jungle]

Also its completely fine to hate spaniards, they were pieces of shit. Nobody is saying muslims of that era were good guys either (speaking as a muslim myself) but like lol

[opaque coyote]

Ares was hated since he resembled the bloody aspect of war. But ironically enough, he also actually treated women fairly.

Because in terms of bloodshed and death, everyone is equal unfortunately.

It's interesting

[storm jungle]

Its like that awful crusades argument.

"It was justified because the muslims of that area were killing christians"

Does the exact same thing

+1 Point to humanity

[polar hill]

"Basic human kindness" didn't exist until Christianity defined what it actually means to be kind, unless you're going the Reddit route of cavemen being social animals

[late osprey]

yes, this can be attributed to them when ideological counterexamples can be found ALL OVER. and remember that im saying that western civilization has a christian moral framework. i'm not going quite as far as VTEL as there conceptually could've been ancient civilizations with equal virtue, but they've evidently all died out

[paper haven]

I don't especially hate the Spanish here, mind you.

[late osprey]

and so play no impact into our own ethical history

[languid meadow]

"you are reddit therefore opinion invalid" We have reached peak debate we can't top this

[opaque coyote]

Christianity isn't kindness itself. It helped develop the concept but it never was the concept.

Like continuing a book that was half finished

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

[rocky gale]

Actual historic evidence is a "Reddit route" Cool

[polar hill]

I did say "defined"

[median star]

my oldest traceable ancestor was spainish mfrs name was ortez in the 15th century he was 1 letter off from being cool and hip

[languid meadow]

But yeah I'm going down the "cavemen were social animals" BECAUSE THEY WERE

[paper haven]

I just take issue with the Christianity = kindness bits.
Like, no. Not even a little bit.

[languid meadow]

We have mountains of evidence to prove that

[storm jungle]

Me when the concept of kinship/friendliness existed before religion

[opaque coyote]

Yes, but it didn't do so completely.

[late osprey]

we know absolutely nothing about neolithic or paleolithic ethics

making a judgement in that regard is just silly

[young pecan]

LMFAO I KNOW

[storm jungle]

Also as ever

this is why I dont like religion lol

[late osprey]

we only have material culture

[storm jungle]

Mfers pressing the weirdest points then making people dislike them

💀

its like warhammer

I mean uh

[young pecan]

Can't just have a debate

Always have to throw a reddit accusation or be passive aggressive

[storm jungle]

We need more "Agree to disagree"

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[young pecan]

"you are non-theistic so ur le upboat liker huehuehue"

[opaque coyote]

If there is one thing I am confident about human nature. Is that we have an instinctual tendency to want to make our worldview a reality.

[paper haven]

It would be interesting if Warhammer parodied Religious zealotry.

[median star]

also my great grandfather who was in the german army of some caliber under circumstances unknown to me finding himself in puerto rico after war has always been something thats been in the back of my mind

[opaque coyote]

And I am not immune

[crystal forum]

this can all be summed up as "the barbarians before christianity were evil" except with a moral philosophy twist. no amount of words will turn your ideas into facts. you are wrong and there is nothing i can say to convince you otherwise since your ideas are entirely based in your personal interpretations.

[storm jungle]

Man if only

[languid meadow]

we have multiple cave paintings depicting humans cooperating during many activities. WE HAVE LITERAL SITS OF KILL SITES THAT SHOW US COOPERATING TO KILL MAMMOTHS RAAAAAH

[storm jungle]

Fake news

RIGGED.

[young pecan]

Hunter-gatherer societies were peak humankind

[storm jungle]

THOSE PAINTINGS WERE AI GENERATED

[young pecan]

ADHD was actually useful back then

[storm jungle]

lmao

christ

[opaque coyote]

Alright I am going out

See y'all later

[languid meadow]

We are an inherently social species and our biology wants us to be near each other and work together

[opaque coyote]

I ain't participating in this type of stupid anymore

[storm jungle]

^

[opaque coyote]

I prefer my type of stupid

[storm jungle]

Religion definitely has made it stronger to some extent

[opaque coyote]

Shitty memes

[storm jungle]

but saying it didnt exist before that is bullshit

no offense

[dapper gyro]

Christ? Christ Chan?

[median star]

ciaphis wants to be near other men chat

[opaque coyote]

Jurgen

[late osprey]

yes, in europe we could consider pre-christian barbarians to be psychotic. this is described not just by Christian shut-in monks, but by the people themselves (after all, as they considered it virtuous, they were proud of it), and by other pagans -- notably romans

[languid meadow]

I DO

https://tenor.com/view/more-twinks-gif-5375053662735082927

[storm jungle]

Do not google "christ chan"

I just did 💀

whos this weaboo bitch

[dapper gyro]

Why you dumb bitch...

[languid meadow]

Don't get into the rabbit hole

it's bad like sleeping with your mother bad

[median star]

an ancient tale of caution

[outer wave]

Wait, you dont mean Chris Chan?

[paper haven]

Why would you do that?

[dapper gyro]

Oh no, stop her before she is lost forever.

[storm jungle]

Christ Chan, not Chris Chan

lmao

[outer wave]

Id imagine Chris Chan is worse anyway

[astral burrow]

Episode 8 done

[storm jungle]

I know Jesus has forgiven me 😔

[astral burrow]

The droids were fucking brutal

[polar hill]

Okay I was surprised for a moment

[astral burrow]

All this just for some fucking reactor coatings...

[languid meadow]

God I love ice tea

[paper haven]

Is that a joke?

[storm jungle]

sobs NO

[astral burrow]

And thousands of prisoners doing slave labor just for mere screws

Crazy

[crisp heath]

Jesus H. Christ- chan UwU

[paper haven]

Alright, hit it.

[astral burrow]

I hope syrils mother dies in a very painful way

[storm jungle]

I gotta rewatch that skit now lmao

[paper haven]

Robot chicken had some gems

[languid meadow]

anyway Agnosticism for the win I fucking love fence-sitting

[crystal forum]

i want you to be aware that you are not arguing based on facts. you should be a lot less confident on your knowledge of humanity

[astral burrow]

Right when I thought syril was getting good this episode too...

[storm jungle]

Based

[late osprey]

this is a silly thing to say

[storm jungle]

He was a gooner to the end

[paper haven]

He died doing what he loved

[astral burrow]

He definitely got attached to ghorman

[languid meadow]

he was in a loving dom/sub relationship he was NOT a gooner

[astral burrow]

[paper haven]

Dying

[astral burrow]

He was dating a NAZI

[crystal forum]

so?

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/syril-syril-karn-karn-andor-star-wars-gif-4656947529395886611

[polar hill]

I'm starting to doubt that I know what kinda show Andor is

[astral burrow]

Me when battlefront 2 hits a new all time peak

[late osprey]

its like Man in the High Castle but star wars

[paper haven]

Everybody makes mistakes

[astral burrow]

God I felt so satisfied when he did that to dedra

[languid meadow]

spy thriller

[astral burrow]

It was a long time coming

My guy was a MESS

[paper haven]

For the record: I haven't seen Andor and barely know it exists

[astral burrow]

I can't even tell if he liked the empire or not or just attacked andor out of personal spite

[storm jungle]

ITS OKAY TO DATE FASCISTS IF THEY LOOK HOT

I mean uh

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-dedra-meero-meka-gif-27185048

[dapper gyro]

NO

[rocky gale]

I mean, I get it

[storm jungle]

I still cant believe this woman voices Yennefer

[astral burrow]

I too would forget she is a Nazi if she told me to turn the lights off

/s

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-witcher-videogame-gif-20411727

like GYATT

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-squint-markiplier-glare-suspicious-gif-15742154

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dedra-meero-andor-season-2-star-wars-director-krennic-gif-8933656312404029214

[storm jungle]

look

I love women in uniform-

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-dedra-smile-dedra-meero-denise-gough-fake-smile-gif-307781492153472320

[storm jungle]

NOT THE KRENNIC FINGER AAA-

[languid meadow]

MY GOAT KRENNIC RAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[polar hill]

Waitwaitwait

[astral burrow]

I too love women in uniform

Especially military uniform

[storm jungle]

🗣️

[late osprey]

did you know that this wasn't scripted?

[polar hill]

Oh my Lord it's true

[languid meadow]

yeah I know

it's awesoem

[astral burrow]

Can I come over and do this to you

[storm jungle]

Only in a warhammer chat can you go from a christian sociologic development debate to simping for Dedra Meero

[late osprey]

he actually didnt know it was gonna be in the final cut, he intended that to be a blooper

[polar hill]

I might need to watch Andor now out of pure TeamYen fidelity

[rocky gale]

I love her briefly pretending to be human and then just feeling disgusted with herself for it

[vagrant fox]

I would die for Krennec

[crystal forum]

and both will be as devoid of thought

[storm jungle]

Its the best and last epic thing to probably ever come out of Star Wars, do yourself a favor and do it

[storm jungle]

Fuck you

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dedra-meero-andor-star-wars-gif-8819647794391128601

[rocky gale]

I need a Dedra Meero skin in Fortnite tbh

[dapper gyro]

Well, fingering goes everywhere.

[astral burrow]

Clearly you don't own an air fryer

[crisp heath]

As one should.

[crystal forum]

i read your comment earlier and i appreciate your worldview

[astral burrow]

Damn u won't get to see the gif

[astral burrow]

The game doesn't even have andor himself bruh

They gotta release a third jar jar first

[storm jungle]

I got no faith in us as a species and im very centrist but I think life should be enjoyed before you pass on and you should simply be a good person 🫡

[astral burrow]

Or another glup shitto

Our species won't do anything that's bad enough to effect humanity entirely in my lifetime

[paper haven]

If evil, why hot?

[astral burrow]

I hope

Unless they nuke everything

[storm jungle]

As long as I dont get nuked she can do as many atrocities as she wishes

[astral burrow]

But then I will die so that won't be within my lifetime

[astral burrow]

As long as she stays fictional idc

Can be evil

[dapper gyro]

This is why you fall for She who thirsts.

[astral burrow]

If hot

[polar hill]

You say air fryer but this is clearly the Megamind face

[vagrant fox]

Enjoy it, french style, face a l'alcool style

[polar hill]

No Death Star plans?

[late osprey]

people've been thinking humanity's cooked since gilgamesh

[paper haven]

This makes me wonder how things would have gone if Hitler was a hot woman.

[late osprey]

we'll be fine

[astral burrow]

I like Kleya a lot more than dedra ngl

[crisp heath]

||I don't want to set the world on fire||

[crystal forum]

i want to go to your shitty island so badly

[astral burrow]

A rebel nerd that looks gorgeous

Yes please

[languid meadow]

no enough babies to Bhaal

we are cooekd

Carthage has fallen

[late osprey]

The Hittites have fallen. Billions must be raided by Sea Peoples.

[paper haven]

But late on that realization.

[storm jungle]

Omg, Bhaal from BG3???

[rocky gale]

Centrism is lame, you gotta pick a cool edgy belief like Monarcho-Socialism

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-cassian-mad-as-hell-he-mad-as-hell-star-wars-gif-14261033460700773799

[paper haven]

Thanks I hate it

[storm jungle]

They got all my support, as long as evil people get beaten by hammers.

[astral burrow]

I just looked up Kleya in gif search and saw ||dedra in an imperial prison||

Thanks tenor

[paper haven]

Are those real words?

[late osprey]

technically everyone wants to beat evil people with hammers

[astral burrow]

That didn't show up when I looked up dedra herself

[polar hill]

Tenor is spoiler central bro

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[astral burrow]

AI slop AND Hitler?

Only thing it is missing is my shit

[crystal forum]

what the hell is wrong with you? the best ideology is clearly anarcho-monarchism

[astral burrow]

I am sad now

[languid meadow]

Piece of political fan fiction so strong it forever changes how people view the religion

I love you Dante

[vagrant fox]

don't do it unless it's summer

[astral burrow]

Can I just support imperium

[rocky gale]

Oh I assure you, Socialist Monarchy's are totally a real belief

[crystal forum]

what about spring

[paper haven]

Dante's inferno is what happened to the Astartes creator

[vagrant fox]

if you like to live deliciously

[astral burrow]

Socialist skibidist monarchist gigglist blah blah blah

[vagrant fox]

last time I flew in spring I had to land in Scotland

[paper haven]

But-

[astral burrow]

So many fucking titles for nothing

[crystal forum]

i am in fact delicious

[astral burrow]

Just say evil or not

[late osprey]

my politics? egoism. ideals are for troggs, i just vote for what gets me the most stuff

[polar hill]

This may be a mild surprise but it was quite difficult to find a hand-drawn depiction of Hitler as a woman

[rocky gale]

If you ever want to amuse yourself for a few minutes check out r/monarchism

[crystal forum]

HA knew it

[astral burrow]

Yes it IS surprising there should be a gazillion

[paper haven]

It kind of is a surprise

[astral burrow]

Or you can just not post it at all

[languid meadow]

#morebigtittyhitlers

[polar hill]

But the bit!

[astral burrow]

There is a subreddit for EVERYTHING huh

[rocky gale]

Yep

[astral burrow]

What is r/facism like

[languid meadow]

Prob banned

[astral burrow]

I hope so

[polar hill]

My people

[paper haven]

Sigh.
I'll add it to the list.

[late osprey]

it's what marcus aurelius would've wanted

[rocky gale]

r/monarchism is also very racist at times

[astral burrow]

What a surprise

[paper haven]

Never could have guessed

[languid meadow]

say it ain't so

[crystal forum]

you cannot be more than 18 years old

[rocky gale]

Like when someone asked what Monarchies deserve to be restored and most of the answers were basically "All the white ones, but not any of the other ones"

[astral burrow]

On a scale of krieg subreddit and black templar subreddit how bad is it

[late osprey]

yeah im 10 and reading meditations

[languid meadow]

I wish I had the balls that Dante had

[paper haven]

Well that's just racist and limiting.
There are plenty of non European monarchies with cool and unique forms of corruption and horror.

[late osprey]

that just goes to show you, it's all in the execution

and in the worldbuilding

[languid meadow]

shout out to literally 90% of Chinese dynasties

[paper haven]

The mad lad got away with it

[astral burrow]

I just vote for the guy who isn't evil as fuck

[languid meadow]

and that one emperor who was label the bland iirc becaus nothing of note happened

bro had a stable rule and got shamed

[paper haven]

Only 90 percent?

[crystal forum]

this is far less impressive than you seem to think it is

[astral burrow]

Can china be normal for a second

Always weird stuff smh smh

[paper haven]

Sometimes that's harder than it should be.

[late osprey]

what if i were 9 and reading ulysses?

[crystal forum]

i would actually be impressed that a 9 year old reads books

[astral burrow]

You didn't read Ulysses when you were 9

Bro is NOT Menendez

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-raul-menendez-black-ops-gif-9170402067641520662

[late osprey]

you're right, it was don quixote

[astral burrow]

He is coming

[paper haven]

I read Ulysses sometime in early high school but didn't really understand anything besides "Wait, isn't he married?"

[astral burrow]

21 days till June 19th 2025

[rocky gale]

One good thing from r/monarchism though is the funny pictures you can find sometimes, like the Archduke Franz Ferdinand posing inside a Sarcophagus

[languid meadow]

he was so real for that

[late osprey]

technically they were quite normal in many ways when europe was still backwards

[languid meadow]

RIP funny king

[rocky gale]

We lost a real one

[dapper gyro]

Me every time I wake up...

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/black-ops2-thats-tomorrow-call-of-duty-gif-24491187

[late osprey]

Franz and Wilhelm were the real menaces of europe

[crystal forum]

reading books doesn't make you smart btw. trash can be in books as well as the internet :3

[paper haven]

Ya boi looking fresh

[astral burrow]

Post this on June 18 2025

[late osprey]

as we all know, don quixote is mere slop

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wahoo-limbus-company-don-quixote-team-wahoo-gif-3746807626216475243

[crystal forum]

you never disproved your age allegations

[paper haven]

I'd argue that reading too much makes you stupid

[astral burrow]

Limbus Company is Dante's inferno if it was good

[paper haven]

Ok hear me out:

[crystal forum]

i read 40k books that does not make me smart