some are just less interesting than others
#40k-lore-chat
late osprey
humble shoal
Trooper, and bounty hunter being the most boring
late osprey
like sorry but in my Giant Space WW2 Good Vs Evil you'll have to forgive me if i dont find "Random gangster" compelling narratively
bounty hunter and smuggler are bottom tier
trooper is actually pretty good because you get exactly what you signed up for
which is band of brothers in space
humble shoal
like sorry but in my Giant Space WW2 Good Vs Evil you'll have to forgive me if i...
Smuggler has the best voicelines though
Thats the struggle
astral burrow
finish the starting planet, get a companion, run errands in 2 planets and go through every inch (same planets as the last time and you walk like a snail), go back, something unique happens for once, more errand runs on 3 planets this time, same planets as the last time, go back again, something a little different happens, finally something truly unique in the last planet thats actually fun and interesting, but it took like 20 hours to get there
humble shoal
finish the starting planet, get a companion, run errands in 2 planets and go thr...
Swore the first planet takes like 4 hours max
astral burrow
Swore the first planet takes like 4 hours max
yeah thats the starting planet part
late osprey
finish the starting planet, get a companion, run errands in 2 planets and go thr...
i mean it sounds like you just don't like the game period
astral burrow
you enjoy the first class mission
late osprey
because that's objectively an uncharitable and overly generalized description of everything
astral burrow
then you do another and realize it is the exact same thing until you waste HOURS
humble shoal
The idea is on double exp weekends you only do your class stuff
astral burrow
as if other times you have to do anything else
late osprey
no they're trying to say even the class stuff is the same
astral burrow
they give enough levels to finish the story
humble shoal
You did when I played
astral burrow
and it is STILL easy
humble shoal
A lot of side quests
late osprey
which is silly
on release you had to do the whole-ass planet PLUS the bonus missions
astral burrow
i never did any side quests besides those i was interested in
astral burrow
just cuz it is better now doesnt mean it is good now
it is still boring to just even finish one planet
late osprey
im not saying whether or not its better, im just saying what it used to be
astral burrow
when you move at a snails pace and get attacked every 10 meters unless you bought the faster speeder skill
it is a good concept, terrible execution
it is like the class quests in ffxiv, except thats the whole game, and you do it like 8 times
and they are twice as boring
late osprey
there's only so many ways i can say that's just blatantly untrue
in ffxiv you have to grind dungeons every 10 levels for a morsel of class quest
while in SWTOR every class is a dramatically different storyline that takes you through the entire leveling process
astral burrow
thats less annoying, faster, and more fun than one fucking planet in swtor
late osprey
it sounds like it's just different tastes in games
personally i find spamming the dungeonfinder queue to be deathly boring
astral burrow
the story is different, the execution, gameplay, presentation and everything is exactly the same
it is like playing a game, modding master chief in it, then playing it again
late osprey
the story is different, the execution, gameplay, presentation and everything is ...
not true
astral burrow
except it looks like a different game now
the mission structure, the story structure, the actual missions, it is all the same except the characters, and the text
humble shoal
Story structure is not
astral burrow
you can tell someone one class story and it will apply to every single class
late osprey
the mission structure, the story structure, the actual missions, it is all the s...
it's LITERALLY not
astral burrow
it LITERALLY is
late osprey
this is a crazy person take
humble shoal
How is a space spy drama similar to any of the jedi stories
late osprey
the real criticism of SWTOR is that everything after the class stories is lazy mono-class slop
humble shoal
astral burrow
i finished inquisitor, playing bounty hunter right after felt no different no different whatsoever and it was like torture, and ruined everything i enjoyed in the first run
humble shoal
Bounty hunter story sucks
late osprey
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
yeah this is like a sucker-punch of a take to me
astral burrow
Bounty hunter story sucks
it doesnt if you play it first
late osprey
me when trooper and sith warrior are identical??
humble shoal
it doesnt if you play it first
It does
astral burrow
whatever you play first is awesome, the rest is ass
i cant even bother with sith warrior cuz i KNOW it will be the same
late osprey
you havent even PLAYED them??
astral burrow
i can only run so many errands in so many planets for hours and hours to get 1 lore tidbit and then go back to running errands
late osprey
how are you speaking from any level of experience whatsoever
humble shoal
You played the worst story second and think its the same for all of tge others
late osprey
if you've played exactly one and a half stories
the half being one of the most boring ones
astral burrow
You played the worst story second and think its the same for all of tge others
"you only played the game for 100 hours and think the rest also sucks"
if the game sucks for the first 100 hours then yeah it sucks
astral burrow
if you've played exactly one and a half stories
i finished inquisitor
late osprey
"you only played the game for 100 hours and think the rest also sucks"
your claim:
All 8 of the stories are identical except for dialogue changes
your evidence:
Playing one story, getting filtered by another
astral burrow
then played bounty hunter which was the exact same thing with a different coat of paint.
humble shoal
Yes but you cant talk as if the stories are all the same when you havent played them
Because you do not know them
astral burrow
i dont even want to, cuz i KNOW it will just be errand errand run from point A to B complete the entire planet, get a little bit of lore, errand, errand
late osprey
of course you're gonna get "different coat of paint" feeling even if you're not reading the storyline (which i get the sense you're not)
late osprey
i dont even want to, cuz i KNOW it will just be errand errand run from point A t...
that's fine if you just don't like how SWTOR's game is designed
astral burrow
going from one Imp story to another Imp story
so the stories suck unless you play it in a specific order in a specific way?
late osprey
but you're just saying things utterly divorced from reality
astral burrow
of course you're gonna get "different coat of paint" feeling even if you're not ...
i did, text is the only different thing.
late osprey
so the stories suck unless you play it in a specific order in a specific way?
no im saying the Imp and Republic experiences are vastly different to one another
humble shoal
astral burrow
everything else is just another coat of paint, and feels like doing the same thing over and over, i would much rather just play a completely different game instead of playing the same story but with different guys this time woooo
late osprey
then play a different game! i dont know why you keep pushing this "its all the same" thing when you don't even know it's true
astral burrow
no im saying the Imp and Republic experiences are vastly different to one anothe...
ah so one half of the game is exactly the same, the 4 class in one side feel exactly the same, you are just proving my point
late osprey
ah so one half of the game is exactly the same, the 4 class in one side feel exa...
not what i said
are you trolling me?
astral burrow
then play a different game! i dont know why you keep pushing this "its all the s...
if a 2 classes of the game has been exactly the same i have no reason to think the rest wont.
astral burrow
not what i said
it is exactly what you said
going from empire class to empire class, no wonder they feel the same
so empire classes all feel the same?
humble shoal
Im just confused as how they are the same
late osprey
you can think whatever you like, but you saying this objectively false thing like it's fact
humble shoal
Inquisitor is all about finding doodads
astral burrow
cuz it is, idc what you think
humble shoal
Bounty hunter is well being a bounty hunter
humble shoal
The fetch quests are different and involve different npcs
astral burrow
Bounty hunter is well being a bounty hunter
it is also about finding doodads but doodads look different now and have different text
astral burrow
The fetch quests are different and involve different npcs
and exactly the same in execution besides how the guys look and sound
humble shoal
Like its parallel stories running on the same planet
humble shoal
and exactly the same in execution besides how the guys look and sound
Give more concrete examples then because Im not getting it
late osprey
sith warrior and inquisitor are the two ones i would say are more or less interchangeable
astral burrow
it is literally just the same game except you changed the text and the models, thats it, it is no different experience whatsoever
it is insanely boring
late osprey
it is literally just the same game except you changed the text and the models, t...
nope!
astral burrow
yep!
humble shoal
But that means the stories are different
astral burrow
take off the rose tinted glasses
astral burrow
But that means the stories are different
yeah and you have to play the exact same thing (which was already boring and annoying and slow the first time) when you can just read it somewhere and continue with your first class
astral burrow
If you change the models, and the text
it is still the same game
late osprey
But that means the stories are different
me when two books are identical because they both involve turning pages and reading
astral burrow
same story, just a different coat of paint
if thats all you got from this I am done
enjoy slop
late osprey
LOL
late osprey
duuude i dont get its the same book the only things different are the covers and the words!
late osprey
actually i play Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters
and Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
astral burrow
...those are completely different genres
i am talking to a brick fucking wall i dont have time for this
keep doing what you are doing
late osprey
also, Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II - Anniversary Edition
humble shoal
you mod cod to make everyone look like anime girls
You mod cod to take place in different places with different characters and different plot points, is it still cod?
late osprey
You mod cod to take place in different places with different characters and diff...
Ship of Cod, if you will
or rather
the Cod of Theseus
astral burrow
You mod cod to take place in different places with different characters and diff...
Yes.
Especially if the gameplay is as boring and repetitive as swtor in playthrough alone.
Now I go and watch andor bye
late osprey
it's the same as all the other shows, y'know
only thing different is dialogue and characters
humble shoal
Especially if the gameplay is as boring and repetitive as swtor in playthrough a...
This is fair
Gameplay does not change
astral burrow
You sit and watch, you don't have to actively do the same things to experience a different story that's presented in the same way
It is tiring
humble shoal
I understand your issue now and, makes sense
astral burrow
I would much rather just watch or read the other stories
astral burrow
I understand your issue now and, makes sense
Thank you finally
late osprey
well gameplay of an RPG is essentially identical across the board, that being stats and levels and abilities
so that's just a genre problem
SWTOR is the same game as WoW is the same game as RoR
astral burrow
Games at least have their own gimmicks and stuff
And the environments and everything feel fresh
Exactly why I don't play multiple classes in gw2
late osprey
the point is more that the writing has always been the main draw of an RPG
astral burrow
Only for the first time for me if the game has multiple classes
After that if the gameplay isn't engaging enough I can't take it
late osprey
well actually an MMO has multiple draws, SWTOR always failed in the other things (raids, PvP, etc)
the narrative was really the only thing it had
astral burrow
Sadly not enough on its own
late osprey
and when the expacs became mono-class slop they failed in that too
hence why it became the TORtanic
astral burrow
I could just watch or read the other class stories and don't feel like I missed anything
By not actually playing them
I should do so sometime
And maybe do play a Jedi, if they ever add a kel'dor race
dapper gyro
I love the design of the elite republic trooper. Though, it is more on the tacticool side. The ARC and Clone Commando are still the 2 best in terms of tacticool and awe.
spare osprey
I FUCKING LOVE OLD REPUBLIC
astral burrow
Seeing dedra and syril together feels so odd for some reason lmao
She does look really pretty with her hair down tho
And god that house is so white
astral burrow
I love the design of the elite republic trooper. Though, it is more on the tacti...
I prefer the sith trooper look
dapper gyro
Sith troops most of the time are just awe (intimidation), but it lack of tactical and practical aspect for me.
I like when my fiction also think of practicality.
astral burrow
Swtor sith troopers seem just as practical to me
dapper gyro
Btw, that pauldron is even worse than the SM one... it overlaps the chest piece...
astral burrow
These are mostly city guards anyway
astral burrow
Btw, that pauldron is even worse than the SM one... it overlaps the chest piece....
It is meant to look like Darth Vader's
dapper gyro
Or underlap to be more precise...
astral burrow
Yeah it is pretty bad
But looks sick lol
Glad you can finally get it now
It used to be exclusive to those who bought smth when game was very early
Now you can buy a token from cartel market that gives you access to all the exclusive stuff from back then including the normal sith trooper uniform
dapper gyro
Darth Vader armour is actual practical because there was an actor under that armour.
dapper gyro
He didn't have pauldrons
Wot? Vader does have pauldrons.
dapper gyro
Come on brother, not Star Wars, too...
astral burrow
Under the cape
And black
So I never really paid attention to it
But Vader cant move much so I doubt it hinders him much
dapper gyro
No, it doesn't underlap. You can see the clear gape.
astral burrow
Compared to an active soldier
It could underlap if he moves his arm inwards quite a bit
But yeah that part of the armor is a reference to vader which is pretty cool ngl
dapper gyro
Only the upper chest piece for those troopers.
astral burrow
Yeah that's the part I am talking about
Lol
It instantly reminded me of vader
The helmet looks like a flattened phase 2 clone trooper lmao
dapper gyro
Hey there, phase 2 clone helmet is far better.
It is not the mount grid only helmet.
This makes SM mk7 helmet grid looks small...
astral burrow
It is like they punched one very hard and flattened it's face lmao
opaque coyote
Darth Vader armour is actual practical because there was an actor under that arm...
Random fun Star wars fact
Canonically, Vader's armor is a piece of shit
It was too tight in some places, the weird lights on his chest constantly beeped
The oxygen part would literally just turn off for a few seconds for no reason
arctic talon
Sith draw power from anger or something
The fact it’s a piece of shit is prolly intentional
opaque coyote
Sith draw power from anger or something
That and to prevent Vader from ever overthrowing Palpatine easily
At least without dying
It was made to both limit and fuel him
And I guess that's also why it was made to also be annoying for Anakin
Seriously imagine having to deal with what's essentially random alarm beeping while you sleep
I find it even funnier that the iconic breathing noise could've just not been there in lore.
It's basically just Vader gasping for air due to the mask also being a piece of shit.
But it's also why it's so intimidating.
languid meadow
Two things I find funny is that the noise he makes is his suit breathing for him, before he shows up in rogue one he isn't making that noise
Bro is suffocating himself to aura farm
opaque coyote
Two things I find funny is that the noise he makes is his suit breathing for him...
Yeah he can actually survive outside of his suit for a while
languid meadow
Yeah there's the example with Tarkin
Where he turns off his suit to sneak up on him and his bounty hunters
opaque coyote
Bro is suffocating himself to aura farm
It's like Polnareff's stair encounter with Dio
Intimidating at the moment
But really funny once you think about it
languid meadow
All for the aura
opaque coyote
Because if you think about it. It's equivalent to holding your breath
Waiting in anticipation for the rebel scum (tm)
opaque coyote
Two things I find funny is that the noise he makes is his suit breathing for him...
Also an even funnier part is that right after Rogue One is his meeting with Leia
Who acts dumb
She was basically like
"idk what you're talking about man."
Meanwhile Vader LITERALLY saw her soldiers
Steal the Death Star Plans
Minutes beforehand
arctic talon
Bro is suffocating himself to aura farm
Tbf shock and awe and all that
Horrifying space wizard who can strangle you to death
Is certainly a nightmare
opaque coyote
It recontextualizes his anger. Instead of showing how evil he is. His anger is now contextualized as
"BITCH DON'T LIE TO ME I LITERALLY SAW THAT SHIT HAPPEN. IT WAS CAUGHT IN 4K."
"That wasn't me."
languid meadow
"nuh uh"
opaque coyote
"I LITERALLY SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES"
arctic talon
“Nuh uh”
tranquil prawn
“Whatcha mean ‘nuh uh’?!?!?”
arctic talon
40K is just aura farming the setting
astral burrow
Huge bop
arctic talon
Niamos
astral burrow
And mothmas pure anxiety fueled moves
arctic talon
Even the nids are aura farming now
astral burrow
She hitting that shit ong
That scene was so uncomfortable tho
U know the one
But also satisfying in the end
Tie avenger is so broken
languid meadow
40K is just aura farming the setting
"y'all have any good writing?"
"We have hype moments and aura"
astral burrow
"y'all have any good writing?"
"We have hype moments and aura"
Fire
vagrant fox
Maybe, just maybe, the bugs can be cool
astral burrow
The music in EP 3 was kinda uncomfortable ngl
Oh it also played in season 1
In episode 1, club scene
And the beach planet where andor gets taken to you know where
dapper gyro
Random fun Star wars fact
Yes, Vader draws power from pain. Though, it was something for the actor to wear in real life, so yeah.
astral burrow
Nothing good happens when that music starts lmao
astral burrow
It was too tight in some places, the weird lights on his chest constantly beeped
It also to keep him in check so he can't hurt palpatine right?
(didn't work well)
dapper gyro
Well, there are some pain stronger than other.
astral burrow
Ghorman is such a funny name...
OH SHIT
THATS WHO THIS GUY WAS
Now I remember
She still has nightmares over that huh
Yeah, reasonable
I completely forgot about that scene ngl
Ah here comes the year skip
astral burrow
Honestly it is so fun to see the imperial side of things
Lives of common officers, their inner workings
And how much work has gone into the death star
||thousands of prisoner labor for mere screws, an entire planets minerals just for the reactors coating||
It is insane
opaque coyote
It also to keep him in check so he can't hurt palpatine right?
Yeah he specifically made it weak to electricity
Vader wouldn't be able to overthrow him without dying himself.
Perhaps that was Palpatine's greatest flaw.
He couldn't understand somebody going against him for something other than selfish power.
Ironic, given that he manipulated his affection for his wife.
That same love that he manipulated, also killed him in the end.
...until he came back but let's just ignore that.
astral burrow
Oh wow they really showed dqar
So we WILL see sequel planets in the empire era, that's nice
The natives look really cool, kinda like keldors
astral burrow
...until he came back but let's just ignore that.
True....
And his return was really announced in a Fortnite live event lmao
The broadcast they speak of at the start of the last Jedi
That was first heard in a Fortnite live event
opaque coyote
True....
Generally the prequel media generally has my favorite moments and shows
Which shows how much potential it had, even with the movies being uh
Not that good
At least they're entertaining.
astral burrow
i like disney era empire stuff
like rogue one
and andor
thats all
there is nothing else
opaque coyote
If there is one thing I can say that the Prequels are better at wholesale
It's that they tried
They tried to expand the universe, it's history, etc.
The sequels feel like they were just going through the motions.
And it's probably why people appreciate the prequels more now. Although they've gotten to the point where they say that the prequel movies are good.
...
Yeah I think that is grade A delusion right there
astral burrow
The sequels feel like they were just going through the motions.
i dont like sequels, no
they suck
sacred ginkgo
fandom wiki calls this thing krieg
Fandom is a shit wiki
astral burrow
it has been accurate for cosmetics so far
literally everything else there IS obviosly krieg
either has death korps in the name or have vraks in the name and came with the blue krieg sets
astral burrow
would a kriegsman navigator be possible?
storm jungle
Have your read the Navigator page? No lol
Anything someone from Krieg can be is just a cannon-fodder soldier, they dont produce anything else to be sent offworld.
astral burrow
doesnt navigator mutation occur cuz of the warp? it has to happen at birth?
hmmm then how can i make the fashion make sense
storm jungle
Theres more to it than that
sacred ginkgo
Character thought it looked cool
storm jungle
Its a carefully cultivated gene
sacred ginkgo
So they bought it to wear
storm jungle
Also that too lol
astral burrow
So they bought it to wear
dont think you can just buy a navigator helmet though
lol
they also thought the krieg coat looked cool?
sacred ginkgo
dont think you can just buy a navigator helmet though
You absolutely can
You just aren't looking hard enough
astral burrow
it is still a gas mask i can see a kriegsman thinking it is a very cool one, especially a krieg psyker
the in game krieg psyker helmet is so ass
wish it had an actual helmet like every other class
it is also the only one that covers the head fully, if they added a helmet to that it would have been perfect
this guy is wearing the exact outfit the navigator of mourningstar is wearing
and apperently, isnt a navigator, just happens to have that helmet
i guess it is fine
this is the mourningstar navigator
apperently this one was found in a wreckage
yeah hallowette probably has a bunch of navigator helmets she took from dead navigators lying around, that sounds like her
dusk walrus
yeah hallowette probably has a bunch of navigator helmets she took from dead nav...
that's probably the more... legitimate way she acquired some of them. I wouldn't be surprised if some came into her possession differently
astral burrow
Its a carefully cultivated gene
so are all navigators from noble houses?
how else?
stole?
how are you gonna steal from a navigator thats still alive?!
payday 2 reject drip heist
you steal the next weeks slop for hallowette
dusk walrus
how are you gonna steal from a navigator thats still alive?!
well you see to "steal" they need to be "alive"
storm jungle
so are all navigators from noble houses?
Yes.
They also do incest to make their 3rd eye gene pass on
astral burrow
They also do incest to make their 3rd eye gene pass on
I guess if they want the "illness" to indeed transmit, that IS a pretty efficient way
storm jungle
yeah hallowette probably has a bunch of navigator helmets she took from dead nav...
That would get her killed, Navigator stuff is like top of the line shit. This is just another cosmetic =/= lore thing.
Navigators arent random rich people you can kill on the street for loot
astral burrow
That would get her killed, Navigator stuff is like top of the line shit. This is...
But these "characters" the sets belong to
Literally none of them that have navigator helmets
Are navigators
storm jungle
But these "characters" the sets belong to
Yeah but you wearing them is again gameplay =/= lore
astral burrow
But how did they get them then?
storm jungle
Oh my god
astral burrow
thats literally a navigator helmet
But the guy who wears it isn't
storm jungle
gameplay =/= lore
storm jungle
But the guy who wears it isn't
BECAUSE IT ISNT A NAVIGATOR HELMET
ITS A FUCKING PSYKER ONE
astral burrow
The flavor text of the sets in the shop don't count as gameplay really
storm jungle
astral burrow
BECAUSE IT ISNT A NAVIGATOR HELMET
The description talks about the navigator families not liking being called inbred
storm jungle
The description talks about the navigator families not liking being called inbre...
Yeah it doesnt say the user is a navigator
astral burrow
If it isn't a navigator helmet, that's a very random thing to bring up
dusk walrus
immovable object meets unstoppable force
astral burrow
apperently this one was found in a wreckage
The same helmet in silver IS a navigator helmet
Aren't the characters that give names to these sets actually canon?
storm jungle
Yes. You wearing them isnt.
dusk walrus
I wonder how long this will go on
astral burrow
Yes. You wearing them isnt.
But them wearing them is
So there are at least 2 sanctioned psykers out there with navigator helmets, who aren't navigators
storm jungle
So there are at least 2 sanctioned psykers out there with navigator helmets, who...
If it doesnt say its a navigator helmet it isnt a navigator helmet.
storm jungle
But them wearing them is
Yes because those are characters. You arent them.
arctic talon
It’s designed to look like one but it obviously isn’t lol
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
It’s missing the third eye
storm jungle
Seriously, its not that deep.
dusk walrus
anyways if Emps created all primarchs as female would the horus heresy happen later or sooner?
storm jungle
Wouldnt matter.
Gender means jackshit in siblings, they will always fight.
Next question.
dusk walrus
would there have been more chaos primarchs?
arctic talon
anyways if Emps created all primarchs as female would the horus heresy happen la...
Same time
arctic talon
would there have been more chaos primarchs?
No
sacred ginkgo
Gender doesn't exactly influence your fall to the unknowable eldritch gods
dusk walrus
yes
arctic talon
The idea that sisters fight less/more then brothers is deranged lol
dusk walrus
I didn't really have any idea behind the question
just bored of the navigator discussion
dusk walrus
make me
arctic talon
What are the lore implications of the Deathleaper having drip
dusk walrus
trve
storm jungle
My fist up your-
arctic talon
💀
dusk walrus
My fist up your-
CALLING FIRST
humble shoal
The true reason for the heresy is horus thought he was getting drip
arctic talon
Real
arctic talon
I think it’s funny enginseers magically lose a toughness when in tech priest covenants in 30k
Like ????
humble shoal
I think it’s funny enginseers magically lose a toughness when in tech priest cov...
Less necron tech integrated
I mean dark age of tech
dusk walrus
what's the sororitas drip percentage
dusk walrus
ardent shroud sacresants
humble shoal
ardent shroud sacresants
Drip, not drown
arctic talon
ardent shroud sacresants
Floating with the ducks
humble shoal
Real drip guys are the mordians
dusk walrus
Real drip guys are the mordians
nah
arctic talon
I fucking hate this shitty keyboard
astral burrow
If it doesnt say its a navigator helmet it isnt a navigator helmet.
One of the recolors say it is, one of them mention navigators, the other just has a generic text, the imperial navigator mini also uses the same helmet, so does the mourningstar navigator in the trailer, that helmet style isn't a navigator helmet?
astral burrow
It’s designed to look like one but it obviously isn’t lol
Really?
arctic talon
It’s missing the third eye
astral burrow
It’s missing the third eye
That looked like a seperate attachment in the trailer
arctic talon
Every piece of proper navigator headgear has the thing for the third eye
arctic talon
That looked like a seperate attachment in the trailer
It is a physical visor/hole for the third eye to look through
astral burrow
Yeah the mourningstar navigator in the trailer has the same helmet with a third eye
astral burrow
this is the mourningstar navigator
Here
astral burrow
Wish that was in game
arctic talon
If that was the case
astral burrow
I see, it is fine then
humble shoal
It isn’t something you attach on
Isnt the third eye attached in rogue trader....
arctic talon
What
arctic talon
That’s jewelry
astral burrow
Well "cover"
arctic talon
It’s like a fancy monocole
humble shoal
That’s jewelry
Oh nah they graft shit into their third eye
humble shoal
Soulstones or somethin
astral burrow
She can take it off
astral burrow
I think
humble shoal
Yee
storm jungle
One of the recolors say it is, one of them mention navigators, the other just ha...
Its modified, its not the same helmet from the minis.
astral burrow
Cassia's jewelry is attached to the head?
storm jungle
It isnt.
astral burrow
Thank god
storm jungle
Its just to stop people from seeing her third-eye.
or she'll fucking vaporize you
lol
astral burrow
Oh nah they graft shit into their third eye
What is this then lol
What is ebil talking about
humble shoal
What is this then lol
House orselio did a thing
languid meadow
Knights of Macragg has a good segment about what a navigator can do and how horrific they are
astral burrow
Cassia's abilities are pretty scary in game
humble shoal
Cassia is also more potent than the normal navigator
Due to the grafted soulstones
||And being a body made to hold tisiphone||
languid meadow
astral burrow
Are mega cities like countries or smth
astral burrow
Ah
languid meadow
Knights of Macragg has a good segment about what a navigator can do and how horr...
But yeah the navigator Barthus goes insane and forces people to look into his third eye causing them to go insane and kill themselves, he's also described as crawling around like a spider on the walls and shit
astral burrow
crystal forum
this raises several questions
https://youtu.be/tG__JWcpymc?si=T7v7YjZkv49aZsWB
languid meadow
also there's the scene with the fucking thing
astral burrow
But yeah the navigator Barthus goes insane and forces people to look into his th...
Damn, weirdo
crystal forum
i am confused yet intrigued
languid meadow
I don't care for bug divers but it's funny how they refuse to do anything but fight bugs
storm jungle
I don't care for bug divers but it's funny how they refuse to do anything but fi...
Its based.
let people play the game
you fucking sociopaths
astral burrow
"How dare you not have attachment and attraction and genuine respect and patriotism for a fictional planet instead of having fun in a game you paid for"
languid meadow
I watched it
storm jungle
guys ignore this loser
storm jungle
I watched it
damn it
languid meadow
but I'm also gonna go enjoy this ice cream before the helldivers 2 bitching commences 
astral burrow
this raises several questions
https://youtu.be/tG__JWcpymc?si=T7v7YjZkv49aZsWB
Peaceblade 8.000
astral burrow
but I'm also gonna go enjoy this ice cream before the helldivers 2 bitching comm...
I can't bitch, it is 2 am
Sorry
crystal forum
it actually looks fun tbh
crystal forum
of course not
astral burrow
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2853590/Void_War/
The YouTube thumbnail was straight up a space marine tho
crystal forum
FTL is way too high of a bar
astral burrow
The description is literally just 40k
crystal forum
hopefully when the next game by the two guys comes out in like 2030
i love into the breach too
arctic talon
Tbf into the breach was a completely different genre
And it is very good
As well tbh
astral burrow
What is FTL
crystal forum
sadly not as popular
crystal forum
What is FTL
ask anybody who owns it to give you the free key that everybody gets
astral burrow
Faster than light travel?
crystal forum
lol
astral burrow
ask anybody who owns it to give you the free key that everybody gets
No I have no idea what it even is lmao
Or what it stands for
arctic talon
FTL is the video game that void war is based on
And yeah it stands for faster then light
astral burrow
A 40k game?
crystal forum
FTL:faster than light
astral burrow
And yeah it stands for faster then light
Really?
crystal forum
came out in uh 2012
astral burrow
That's the method of fast travel in helldivers lmao
crystal forum
from a kickstarter
arctic talon
That’s
crystal forum
possibly one of the best roguelikes ever made in my own humble opinion
arctic talon
That's the method of fast travel in helldivers lmao
What faster then light travel is abbreviated as
It’s not an original like
Abreviation at all
arctic talon
possibly one of the best roguelikes ever made in my own humble opinion
Agreed
astral burrow
Overwhelmingly positive
vagrant fox
Yeah is a'ight
astral burrow
possibly one of the best roguelikes ever made in my own humble opinion
Roguelike strategy huh
arctic talon
Where else is it in?
No, like ftl as a term
astral burrow
stop narrating your life and just buy it
Nah
astral burrow
Is a real term
Damn
arctic talon
For “faster then light”
astral burrow
Sick
astral burrow
Hope we get to use the term irl
arctic talon
Lol
astral burrow
I ain't buying it tho
crystal forum
My favorite mod for it is the multiverse mod
what other mod comes even close
arctic talon
what other mod comes even close
Admiral edition used to, until they stopped working on it
crystal forum
i need to try multivers i just too lazy to learn how to download mods
crystal forum
the base game is already peak
arctic talon
Tbh I like base ftl a ton
Lol
It plays extremely well
Also my favorite theory about ftl is the player is the ships onboard AI lol
crystal forum
lol
crystal forum
i like the FTL lore it's short, simple and serves the player agency
you just really want to accomplish your mission
arctic talon
Evil rebellion
crystal forum
and god ben prunty us a fucking god
arctic talon
Go stop big ship
crystal forum
i love his music
arctic talon
All the plot you need
crystal forum
favorite song wolf?
crystal forum
i love it so much
the moment when you hear the classic synth
i love how you can tell what synth is meant to represent the player and which is the environment if you get what i mean
2:02 is best part
one of the hardest things i've ever done in my life was unlock the crystal cruiser without cheating
vagrant fox
If anyone has an eye for it, what seems to be the latest era IG tanks tske design cues from. The Rogal Dorn kind of makes me think it's inspired by the M48
The turret at least
arctic talon
one of the hardest things i've ever done in my life was unlock the crystal cruis...
Ngl crystal cruiser is lowkey bullshit RNG sometimes
To unlock
crystal forum
Ngl crystal cruiser is lowkey bullshit RNG sometimes
sometimes?
arctic talon
Its actually difficult
crystal forum
wolf it is hell on earth
crystal forum
the conditions are batshit insane
crystal forum
it is arguably the best ship in the game
crystal forum
the 4 square teleporter mantis ship is also ridiculous
crystal forum
oh did you know why crystal are in game btw
arctic talon
I see
young pecan
it was a tier reward for a guy who pledged like 1000$
I yearn to be a rich lord of olde who can just dump money onto promising artists to make masterpieces
Now rich people these days just steal money instead of funding cool things being made
crystal forum
the hard part is getting artists to take more money
you will be paid extra and you will accept it god fucking damn it
vagrant fox
How many neon ones a month
late osprey
that is what i do every month
the more things change the more things stay the same
crystal forum
stimulating the local economy baby
late osprey
artists living off of the designs of the aristocratic patrons
one might say the furry community styles itself like the italian houses of the great renaissance
crystal forum
i can assure you we are not doing it intentionally
late osprey
you do NOT want to know what michelangelo would be doing for money in the modern day
or leonardo
whatever dead italian guy
young pecan
stimulating the local economy baby
How accurate is the furries being software engineers stereotype
In other words what is your job
crystal forum
How accurate is the furries being software engineers stereotype
it's untrue. it's only the furries with a suspicious amount of money that work in tech
i work in tech
crystal forum
not software though!!!
young pecan
For as much hate as furries get for just minding their own business, kinda glad that they get to secretly be the Illuminati of the art industry
tough haven
ask anybody who owns it to give you the free key that everybody gets
hey can I have the free key everybody gets?
crystal forum
hey can I have the free key everybody gets?
i gave mine to my cousin and he never played it
so i can't help
just ask a friend who had the game when enter the breach came out
it came with a free FTL key
opaque coyote
For as much hate as furries get for just minding their own business, kinda glad ...
I mean
Furries actually help artists keep living
And somehow have an appreciation for the effort put in
So hey, win/win
I have no idea why the furry community specifically appreciates art mroe
Probably because of the want to be creative with their OCs
...
Actually a lot of artists are also furries
That's probably why
Like if you've seen the amount of sexy anthro animal women
It's been like this since animation was created
Betty Boop?
Literally a dog girl
Known widespread as a sex symbol
Furries and artists are basically a symbiotic relationship at this point
radiant lance
https://youtu.be/08cmC0eX554?si=9f415m62C3qapaDU
Is this video lore accurate?
dapper gyro
it is still a gas mask i can see a kriegsman thinking it is a very cool one, esp...
That's your thinking. Kriegs don't think of anything as cool aside from their issued kit, because they all believe that they are issued the best equipment for their job. This is why they are not zealous, but extremely fanatical.
Fuck, didn't check the time stamp, I just woke up.
dapper gyro
Morning you too
Eh, i is not even 2am here yet. I'm definitely not fixed...
near dragon
just finished Galaxy in Flames but i really want some 40k lore - feel like i'm reading prequels but don't know anything about what they're prequelling🤣
Eisenhower or Ghost series? i'm leaning Eisenhower they sound really cool
and Dan Abnett was noticably the best author of the 3 Horus Heresy books i read
hallow plover
just finished Galaxy in Flames but i really want some 40k lore - feel like i'm r...
Eisenhorn is often considered a good starting point for warhammer. As for the Horus Heresy, keep in mind it's a byproduct of 40k and not the other way around.
near dragon
Eisenhorn is often considered a good starting point for warhammer. As for the H...
yeah lol i'm glad i read the trilogy but i definitely need to experience more actual 40k setting before i go further🤣
hallow plover
Going through the whole Horus Heresy is not recommened. It varies wildly in quality.
For 40k there's a list pinned of recommended stuff
hallow plover
Nurgle
hallow plover
Brb going somewhere shady
sharp pollen
getting proof?
hallow plover
queen laurel
Going through the whole Horus Heresy is not recommened. It varies wildly in qua...
yeah like you would only recommend that to someone who really really really likes space marines
For the gold standard of starting into warhammer it's gonna be almost always Ciaphias cain
hallow plover
Someone who REALLY likes space marines. And nothing else.
tight stratus
queen laurel
i mean my ogryn alone probably has more respect than an actual sanctioned guardsmen
tight stratus
haha
astral burrow
Hadron looks adorable here
astral burrow
Another andor episode done
God, saw gerrera makes me so uncomfortable
I can't tell when this man is lying, being genuine, or straight up insane
storm jungle
This is a screenshot worthy reaction lmao
but yeah hes an extremist, hes meant to make you uncomfortable, its great
queen laurel
but yeah hes an extremist, hes meant to make you uncomfortable, its great
he sounds like he fits in the imperium
astral burrow
but yeah hes an extremist, hes meant to make you uncomfortable, its great
He is so fucking eerie
The entire yap session he had at the end
I was at the edge of my bed
I guess I can now guess how he will be in the state he was in in rogue one
vagrant fox
Saw just needs to make one speech at me and I'm on board
astral burrow
Forest Whitaker man
Diego Luna tho
God that man is oozing charisma
I love him
The cafe scene was so good
He scared her shitless lmao
Him, Pedro Pascal, Oscar Isaac
God they are so charismatic I wanna be gay (not really)
storm jungle
I still cant believe he hasnt almost aged a day since Rogue One
that shit was like 9 years ago
tough haven
Would a rogue trader’s Arch-Militant be the one in charge of directing their military forces such as hired mercenaries? Or would more administrative personnel be in charge of that since it’s kinda a business transaction?
tough haven
So the arch militant would be the one telling them “go to this planet, kill these guys”? And like the factotum would negotiate the actual contract?
astral burrow
Pretty much
Not like the factotum would know about leading soldiers
Why else would there be an arch militant onboard
tough haven
Well I wasn’t sure if a arch militant is really a leader type role, or if they’re more like a bodyguard/weapons expert for the RT
crystal forum
Well I wasn’t sure if a arch militant is really a leader type role, or if they’r...
they must have some level of squad leadership
vagrant fox
yeah they do just fine at leadership, maybe not so much tactical planning but they get the skills for that too
spare osprey
but yeah hes an extremist, hes meant to make you uncomfortable, its great
You got Saw and then his band of fools
BEEZER FORTUNA
The politically minded cousin of Bib Fortuna, like tf
languid meadow
put some respect on Beezer
storm jungle
BEEZER FORTUNA
Aw hell no crackhaed Bib Fortuna
spare osprey
And I think saw fuckin
Rewired his medical droid
To allow him to do a shit ton of drugs
rocky gale
Bro just straight huffing starship fuel
spare osprey
YES
crystal forum
medical droids are so creepy
crystal forum
but god i love how they're just built from 80's scrap
back when a ribbon microphone was considered junk
like imagine being somebody seeing star wars 5 when it came out and realizing that droids are literally junk
it looks retro futuristic to us because we're not used to that tech
astral burrow
YES
Holy shit
Man really likes huffing fuel huh
Episode 6 of andor
HOLY SHIT
The tension in both scenes is gonna make me shit my pants, man
This is PEAK
I like how Andor doesn't shy away from killing off prominent characters
Wish rest of star wars did that too
BIX COOKED SO HARD
THATS MY GIRL
I love this couple
median star
is their any guesstimates on how many baseline humans were involved during istvhan 5
tough haven
What accent do orks use? I can’t remember how to describe it
crystal forum
What accent do orks use? I can’t remember how to describe it
mentally disabled cockney
tough haven
Ok it is cockney
plush mason
football hooligan cockney
tough haven
“The best means of Attack is Defence, an' the best means of Attack is a really really Big One, right, with lots of Boys an' dead big shooty things an' what have ya.”
Deep Ork philosophy
polar hill
is their any guesstimates on how many baseline humans were involved during istvh...
I don't believe so. We do know the Imperial Army, Mechanicum and some Titans of Legio Atarus were present on the Loyalist's side, though
plush mason
wagg is literally an interpretation of the unintelligable gutteral cheer a drunk hooligan might make when their team scores
dapper gyro
I like how Andor doesn't shy away from killing off prominent characters
One thing about Andor is that its screen writer is an oldschooler. Like, Hollywood, and Disney, tried to weed those people out for a while. However, the success of Rogue One is undeniable that Disneys keep the guy. Then the Andor show is also doing well. You see the pattern.
polar hill
I don't believe so. We do know the Imperial Army, Mechanicum and some Titans of ...
*For a guesstimate guesstimate, less than a million
languid meadow
I love the numbers in warhammer books so much
they're either wildly too big or wildly too small, it's so peak
plush mason
GW does not know numbers
dapper gyro
Even at full strength, all of the SM could not get more than 1M on the planet. None of them were full strength.
languid meadow
EXAR KUN
crystal forum
is their any guesstimates on how many baseline humans were involved during istvh...
i am fairly sure that some solar auxilia attached to space marine chapters were present
astral burrow
One thing about Andor is that its screen writer is an oldschooler. Like, Hollywo...
It is nice being on the edge of my seat in scenes with actual tension knowing literally ANYONE can die, and there CAN be actual consequences if things go wrong
dapper gyro
So the guestimation of around 1M is still about 1 to 2 normal troops per SM.
languid meadow
kind of makes sense when you think about it
plush mason
EXAR KUN
ngl putting a base on a planet home to many sith temples seems like a dumb idea
dapper gyro
It is nice being on the edge of my seat in scenes with actual tension knowing li...
It is like amber, burn slow, but HOT!
rocky gale
As dumb as building the Jedi temple on Coruscant on top of a Sith Temple
languid meadow
if you treat space marines like armour or jets in our world they would need a lot of support personnel
plush mason
As dumb as building the Jedi temple on Coruscant on top of a Sith Temple
tbf they didnt know about that one
was kinda the whole point
rocky gale
No they did
dapper gyro
I think it should be at least 5 times the number of troops on the ground for 1 SM, then 5 more on the ships/bases for logistic.
crystal forum
As dumb as building the Jedi temple on Coruscant on top of a Sith Temple
but it's poeeeetic
dapper gyro
tbf they didnt know about that one
They used to know, but it is lost with time.
crystal forum
if only somebody left a sticky note explain that
dapper gyro
Many Jedi don't even know all history of the Old Republic.
dapper gyro
Hmmm, those space elf looks kind of small...
crystal forum
sigsen stop taking photos of naked ogryns
languid meadow
Holy shit i wanna see cogg destroy a space marine
vagrant fox
My dads shame needs to be spread further
polar hill
Eldar bitties
vagrant fox
I do think the Eldar are a bit short for my tastes
polar hill
Begone with this
astral burrow
ngl putting a base on a planet home to many sith temples seems like a dumb idea
Yavin 4 is full of sith temples?
dapper gyro
Also yeah, Eldar dude chest looks like tits...
plush mason
Yavin 4 is full of sith temples?
yes
astral burrow
It is like amber, burn slow, but HOT!
Season 1 was a slow burn but this is a joy every second
languid meadow
Yavin itself is a gas giant
plush mason
^
languid meadow
Yavin 4 has the temples
plush mason
fair
astral burrow
The same moon?
languid meadow
Yavin 4 is a moon but you could call it a planet due to it's size
plush mason
if Exar khun is there its 4
dapper gyro
Season 1 was a slow burn but this is a joy every second
Good!!
astral burrow
At episode 7 enjoying every second
Cassian can be so annoying and stubborn sometimes tho lmao
plush mason
the tomb of Naga Sadow is where Exar meet his end
median star
https://x.com/OwlcatGames/status/1928104048781316407
would that be first born or primaris astartes comparison to ogryn u think
astral burrow
I hope battlefront 2 resurgence has an actual effect
dapper gyro
would that be first born or primaris astartes comparison to ogryn u think
Primaris
rocky gale
Like it's just hilarious that the reason the Temple has this massive ziggurat is because they literally just built a massive concrete shell around the Sith Temple and then built their house on top of it
polar hill
My guess would've been Firstborn, I thought Primaris and Ogryn were the same height
astral burrow
Like it's just hilarious that the reason the Temple has this massive ziggurat is...
The gigantic stone base isnt the actual temple?
That's just... concrete?
God I fucking hate corruscant
dapper gyro
First born is about 1 head taller than human, primaris is 1 head taller than first born.
polar hill
The gigantic stone base isnt the actual temple?
No that's also the Temple
rocky gale
Ferrocrete to be precise but basically
languid meadow
I bet if there is a space marine companion they'll be primaris because Ulfar was firstborn 
median star
You can't even see the ground anymore
every hive worlds ever be like
languid meadow
I'd like to see owlcat make a primaris model
median star
everything has an underbelly
astral burrow
I kinda fw desert planets
languid meadow
go live on Naboo and be a space italian
astral burrow
Nar shaddaa is even worse
astral burrow
go live on Naboo and be a space italian
Nah too many nobles and gungans
The 2 worst kind of people
Ghorman is so pretty tho ngl
median star
whats wrong w gungans
astral burrow
Where is it based on?
dapper gyro
Also, that orgryn in the picture is way bigger than average orgryn.
astral burrow
whats wrong w gungans
They ugly
languid meadow
I love the ancient sith because they're comically evil for the most part
median star
Also, that orgryn in the picture is way bigger than average orgryn.
prob the reason they were recruited tbh
inquisitor probably said holy shit that ogryns massive get me him
queen laurel
Also, that orgryn in the picture is way bigger than average orgryn.
ogryn can grow to 10 feet
which is their max height
dapper gyro
Yeah, but the average is about 2.5m.
polar hill
Yeah that's ten feet ain't it?
dapper gyro
And first born is 7'/2.1m IN armour.
queen laurel
Yeah, but the average is about 2.5m.
yeah but i would not be suprised if this one is taller than the average
dapper gyro
Yeah, but it is why they Marine is not first born because the orgryn is bigger than him.
That boy is an absolute unit.
dapper gyro
Yeah that's ten feet ain't it?
10' would be 3m.
queen laurel
They basically clock in around the size of an ork nob or
An average size of an ork warboss
dapper gyro
My issue with some of the description is that they usually take the range between the average to the max.
Like human height in some media say that human is from 1.7 to 2m tall. That's from average to the upper 1% height.
There are short people, it is ok to be short, don't shy my kindreds.
queen laurel
My issue with some of the description is that they usually take the range betwee...
I guess they really want to sell the fact that biologically speaking ogryns are the biggest soldiers of the imperium
I am also pretty sure they are the physically strongest thing in the imperium
So making them really fucking massive is a good move
dapper gyro
Some of the strongest
queen laurel
Some of the strongest
Not including special characters they are basically borderline strongest average soldier you can put the front lines physically speaking
These guys sufficient strength to drag around armored transport vehicles and throw boulders around
dapper gyro
There were stronger, but well, you know what happened to the smarter "mutants".
vagrant fox
Assuming the human is 180 cm/6ish feet the space marine comes to about 230 cm tall, unless I did something disastrously wrong. That's in line with a tall firstborn
median star
wouldnt custodes be taller on average
dapper gyro
Assuming the human is 180 cm/6ish feet the space marine comes to about 230 cm ta...
It is confirmed over and over again by GW themselves that SM is 7' in armour!!!! People just want to do the dick measuring contest and push the height to be taller and taller...
polar hill
wouldnt custodes be taller on average
Custodians range from 9 to 10 feet tall
tough haven
wagg is literally an interpretation of the unintelligable gutteral cheer a drunk...
GW was trying to brainstorm new horrendous species for humanity to fight, saw the British and went “Yes! That!”
dapper gyro
Average human is 1.7m.
dapper gyro
So about 5'7 for human.
median star
They are even taller than marines here
firstborn or
plush mason
GW was trying to brainstorm new horrendous species for humanity to fight, saw th...
they are based near Nottingham so
storm jungle
firstborn or
Primaris, doesnt really matter
they are like 1-2 inches taller lol
so same shit
median star
so ogryns are pretty much always in line w astartes of any type and on the rare occasion a massive one pops out they might maybe hit custodes height
dapper gyro
Primaris is hard pushed to 8', again, IN ARMOUR!!!!!!!!!!
storm jungle
so ogryns are pretty much always in line w astartes of any type and on the rare ...
Its inconsistent.
Ogryn height varies wildly
humble shoal
Midget ogryn
storm jungle
A brexit geezer
queen laurel
Ogryn height varies wildly
Yeah but at the low end they're definitely around the size of ork nob
dapper gyro
It is anywhere from 2 to 3m.
queen laurel
Around 8 ft
humble shoal
A brexit geezer
Norf fc enjoyer
queen laurel
Yes 8 to 10 ft
dapper gyro
Like 6'6" to 10'.
queen laurel
An ogryn that's like over 10 ft is already going to be horrifying
median star
i feel like the taller an ogryn would be the more detrimental it would be as theyre not know to have the best armor i dont think and it just makes a bigger and bigger target
storm jungle
i feel like the taller an ogryn would be the more detrimental it would be as the...
Doesnt matter, its 40k.
dapper gyro
So image like that, they should actually be on the same eye level against each other.
storm jungle
you can apply that logic to like most big things in-universe lol
queen laurel
i feel like the taller an ogryn would be the more detrimental it would be as the...
they can be outfitted with better as this is 40k
plush mason
i feel like the taller an ogryn would be the more detrimental it would be as the...
yeah but when they can tank bolter rounds like its nothing and crush 3 chaos terminators with ease it doesnt matter much
humble shoal
Give me smart ogryns back
queen laurel
you can apply that logic to like most big things in-universe lol
40k is known as a setting to laugh at standardization
humble shoal
you can apply that logic to like most big things in-universe lol
This is how tyberos can simultaneously be an imperator titan and terminator
vagrant fox
It is confirmed over and over again by GW themselves that SM is 7' in armour!!!!...
Dog I know, did you miss out on the word tall. There are a few examples. I'm not saying it is as firstborn
median star
i mean still unless its like someone importants guard theyre probably just gonna have a rinky dink flak plate