40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

But it wasn’t a degenerate tourist destination

Like most pleasure worlds are

[astral burrow]

Sounds crazy ngl

Baller even

[languid meadow]

yeah for people with money

to work there is awful

[astral burrow]

Why tf did one of the biggest rebellions come from one of the loveliest planets

[dapper gyro]

Their power is not limitless.

[late osprey]

for fun

[astral burrow]

What did the kriegsman do that was so bad they they glassed the entire planet instead of simply executing them

[arctic talon]

Nothing

The imperial forces

Did it themselves

[astral burrow]

The planet sounded so nice tho

[dapper gyro]

They did it themselves...

[arctic talon]

Because if the imperium can’t have it

No one can

Lol

[astral burrow]

What a waste

[arctic talon]

The imperium is a psychopathic death cult

[astral burrow]

The krieg glassed their own planet?

[arctic talon]

And krieg wanted out

[arctic talon]

Yes

The loyalist imperial forces

[languid meadow]

yeah it was a civil war and the imperium loyalists said fuck it

[astral burrow]

That's

[arctic talon]

Launched all the nukes

[astral burrow]

Bruh

[arctic talon]

Because again

If the imperium can’t have it

[astral burrow]

So not the rebels?

[arctic talon]

No one can

[astral burrow]

That's kinda insane

[late osprey]

the rebels were winning the conventional war

[arctic talon]

No the rebels were winning

[spare osprey]

no, the imperials

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

How

Bruh

[late osprey]

and the loyalists activated the Doomsday Nukes out of spite

[late osprey]

with guns probably

[astral burrow]

That's just one planet

Isn't the military huge

[spare osprey]

well no

[astral burrow]

How did they lose to one regiment

[late osprey]

in all seriousness, it can be potentially centuries before reinforcements show up

[spare osprey]

it's one planet

[arctic talon]

More of the population sided with the traitors

Like

[spare osprey]

vs itself

[arctic talon]

The imperial loyalists

[dapper gyro]

The goal of the rebel is to keep the planet for themselves, but the Imperium loyalists want to deny that.

[spare osprey]

it wasnt like, rebels vs the whole imperium

[arctic talon]

Were vastly outnumbered

Yeah

It was rebels vs barely any

[astral burrow]

And they still had nukes

[spare osprey]

ye

[arctic talon]

The loyalists took the place with them first thing

[astral burrow]

So the current kriegs

[arctic talon]

As a contengincy

[astral burrow]

Are descendants of the rebels?

[arctic talon]

No

The loyalists

[languid meadow]

Everyone does it comes with living in that galaxy

[arctic talon]

The loyalists after nuking the rebels to shit

Killed them all

Over the course of several years

[astral burrow]

And punished their entire future bloodline

[dapper gyro]

They were offline for a few thousand years before they are rediscovered and recruited as an IG regiment.

[arctic talon]

The nukes were the great equalizer

[astral burrow]

Crazy

[arctic talon]

So to speak

Since it let the imperial loyalists

Even the playing field

Via nuclear genocide

[astral burrow]

That kinda makes the krieg sound so cool ngl

[languid meadow]

It's a self punishment really, the imperium isn't really punishing them

[arctic talon]

The rebels lost their biggest asset, numbers and support from the populace

Lol

[astral burrow]

They were so good they had to nuke the planet to even the odds

[dapper gyro]

They were still fighting after the nuke fallout.

Hence their CBRN gears.

[astral burrow]

Massive respect honestly

[late osprey]

Krieg as we know it only exists AFTER the nuclear holocaust

[astral burrow]

The old krieg was awesome

Current ones look like pussies in comparison

[late osprey]

we dont know anything about it

[arctic talon]

I mean

[astral burrow]

Even cadians

[late osprey]

they cant have been THAT good if they lost the conventional war

[arctic talon]

We don’t know anything about krieg pre nukes really

[dapper gyro]

Then when the big Imperium passed by, they are like "Oh, you can fight for us elsewhere"...

[arctic talon]

Other then they were unhappy

About the tithe

[astral burrow]

Didn't they win until they got nuked tho?

[arctic talon]

The rebels were winning

[astral burrow]

Yeah

[late osprey]

Its a civil war

[astral burrow]

I am talking about the rebels

[late osprey]

Its krieg fighting itself

Krieg vs Krieg

[arctic talon]

The rebels got all killed

They got genocided

They are literally all dead

[astral burrow]

Yeah I am talking about the rebel side as the old krieg

[late osprey]

also the idea of a planet called Krieg ever being a utopian planet is hilarious to me

[astral burrow]

Loyalists are just same as the current krieg

[late osprey]

"wow this place is awesome, what do you call it?" "Planet Kill Death Super Slaughter V."

[dapper gyro]

Kriegs troops are mostly clones.

[arctic talon]

I’d fucking hope that they won with a massive numbers and material advantage lol

[dapper gyro]

Only in the recent time that they take people from other places.

[astral burrow]

Couldn't have been big enough to warrant literal nukes tho

[astral burrow]

Isn't that like

Not allowed

I thought they were just vat grown babies

[sacred ginkgo]

They are

[late osprey]

Was that ever confirmed too?

[arctic talon]

Yesnt

[astral burrow]

Cloning is not allowed in imperium is what I known

[late osprey]

Because I thought it was always left in the air

[astral burrow]

It is just

[arctic talon]

The vitae womb is all but confirmed

[astral burrow]

What is it called irl

[arctic talon]

To be cloning

[late osprey]

cuz if it was ever confirmed that'd always beg the question of why don't most planets grow soldiers

[astral burrow]

Wouldnt the emperor smite them a second time if they were cloning

[late osprey]

The Emperor is a Corpse on a Throne

(this post has been brought to you by real Chaos Patriots)

[astral burrow]

The concept of the emperor

[arctic talon]

It’s tech heresy

[astral burrow]

The god™️

[dapper gyro]

It is cloned more or less the way the SM are made, it is collecting genetic material of the dead guys and put it in a machine.

[astral burrow]

I heard it was

[arctic talon]

So it’s vat growing

Just in a

Much more weird way

[astral burrow]

You take peoples reproductive organs and use them to vat grow babies while those people are out fighting

So they don't lose time with the whole pregnant thing

[dapper gyro]

It has to be technically not clone... so whatever the excuse the authors came up with.

[astral burrow]

It is still not shaboinking so doesn't matter what else it is

It is still weird and unethical

[late osprey]

Imperium being unethical?

No way.

Say it isn't so.

[astral burrow]

Crazy right?

They would never do that

[late osprey]

speaking of

one of the most extreme things i saw came from the Battlefleet Gothic campaign where a planet's description was talking about how it was going to fall into the sun in a few centuries

but since it was so productive the wider Imperium decided to just hide that fact from the billions living on it

to keep em working

[dapper gyro]

Unless the genetic material is literally sucking of semen from dead body, then the lab grow is cloning.

[arctic talon]

Holy shit lol

[arctic talon]

I mean…..

It might

[crystal forum]

ha wolf said vagina

[astral burrow]

I don't think most of those billions will get to see that

[arctic talon]

We know some tech priests get their sperm and eggs extracted so they can have a kid vat grown

[astral burrow]

That's the issue of like a couple later generations

[arctic talon]

Before they remove their you know

Those bits

[astral burrow]

I think it is living kriegsmen

Or both

Probably both

[dapper gyro]

They have no concept of parenting, nor care about their previous generations. They only care for the war in front of them.

Sound metal, but also dumb and I don't them for that.

[astral burrow]

Every faction is stupid and unethical so

Might as well pick one that looks cool

[dapper gyro]

They looks like shit.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[astral burrow]

They look awesome

[arctic talon]

Subjective taste strikes again

[dapper gyro]

If I want CBRN, Steel Legion.

[astral burrow]

I love their drip

I don't want cbrn

I want ww1

Whatever tf this is

this is awesome

[dapper gyro]

You don't want CBRN, then why wear CBRN gear?

[astral burrow]

They don't really wear full cbrn gear

And steel legion has mustard shirts

I hate mustard

Ugly ass color

[arctic talon]

The color of the jacket is due to the regimental colors

Regiments can have dif colors

[astral burrow]

I know, and it sucks

[dapper gyro]

Not all Steel Legion are yellow btw.

[astral burrow]

Most are no?

[dapper gyro]

Like not all Cadian are khaki.

[arctic talon]

The poster children are

[astral burrow]

People wouldn't recognize one as steel legion if they aren't wearing mustard

[arctic talon]

Aside from that eh

[astral burrow]

Even morrow is wearing mustard

[arctic talon]

They would

[astral burrow]

Every steel legion skin is mustard

[arctic talon]

Off of the helmet + jacket

Yes

[astral burrow]

I wouldn't

[arctic talon]

Because it’s the poster child

[astral burrow]

They can't be this cool

[dapper gyro]

You wouldn't even read the lexi/wiki...

[astral burrow]

The veteran one looks like a chinless no jawline chud tho

[astral burrow]

I did, it said mustard

[arctic talon]

That is the standard propaganda parade scheme often, but again not every regiment has it

[dapper gyro]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/74/Infantryman_Krastov.jpg

That's a Steel Legionary.

[astral burrow]

I read the lexi

Slightly

[astral burrow]

Yeah, slightly

[arctic talon]

Yes

That is the color

[astral burrow]

The whole coat color is pretty big

[arctic talon]

We’ve seen

Non yellow steel legion

In official GW painting guides

[astral burrow]

This camo is sick tho

But I still prefer krieg

Zealot doesn't have that anyway...

[astral burrow]

What color?

I like gas masks with 2 eye holes more than 1

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/63/Armageddon_Steel_Legion_Trooper.jpg

Brown coat

[arctic talon]

We’ve seen grey, khaki and a very dark green

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/8d/Steel_Legion_Trooper.jpg

Grey

[astral burrow]

Gray is awesome

[dapper gyro]

So many colour and uniform type.

[astral burrow]

They are kinda cool

But really they don't have a book dedicated to them nor have minis made of them anymore

Being a steel legion fan would suck

[dapper gyro]

https://scontent.fymq2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/123241156_10218470835626639_3058253123168737030_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=536f4a&_nc_ohc=J-7CVht4YN4Q7kNvwHYUWoP&_nc_oc=Adk09KeZF4-NCCeZ_vbAEqVnqlTmnpTSHO9OLXjqRKjnIA9_wSdjOFlGiRXWlSnT-fc&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fymq2-1.fna&_nc_gid=PyWN43XW9ksGCF2aN01KOA&oh=00_AfLNZ2qUbWAz83QxIlgKFT-Ui5HbHwn9Fbe6lgo_MON71A&oe=6859C164

[dapper gyro]

Your lack of faith is the reason they don't get more stuff. You disgust me.

[astral burrow]

I can't even pay

GW doesn't even know I exist

How am I the problem, you are talking like Danica

Breaks my heart

[astral burrow]

Well he does look like a chump in this image

That cost is thick as hell

[late osprey]

personally it just bugs me when regiments aren't wearing visible chest armor

[astral burrow]

I love the grenadiers

[late osprey]

and they handwave it with the whole "oh actually their coats are flak-armor rated"

like lol OK

[astral burrow]

With how thick their jackets look, i am sure they wear it underneath

[late osprey]

they dont to my knowledge

[astral burrow]

But also there isn't much u can use to protect against lasfire

Grenadiers do at least

They have chestplates

[late osprey]

they wear it over

[astral burrow]

Very visible

Visible in actual art too

Grenadiers really fix every annoying aspect of the krieg design AND adds the sick skull helmet

[dapper gyro]

Carapace is too thick to wear under coat.

[astral burrow]

Isn't it flak

Lemme check lex rq

[dapper gyro]

Grenadier is Scion tier troop,

[astral burrow]

Only mentions plasteel helmet and shoulder pads

Lemme continue down

[arctic talon]

They had flak armor

As war gear in 7e

It was the default

[dapper gyro]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/70/IG5EStormTrooper.jpg

This storm Trooper on the Tempestus Scion page is in fact a Steel Legion storm trooper.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frcfsjkz5n2c81.jpg

[astral burrow]

I can't find minis of

7th edition

It is literally the only edition missing in the lexicanum miniature portal

Jumps from 6 to 8 lol

Only the officer has visible armor

Really, why don't they have armor on the outside?

Wouldn't look cool?

They must have some on the inside they are smarter than that

[late osprey]

Because a lot of the regiments are inspired from modern militaries which don't wear plates like that

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about game stats

[dapper gyro]

How do you even use the search function on your computer?????

[late osprey]

The handwavium is that their trench coats are as protective as flak armor

[arctic talon]

They had flak armor by default

As their armor

[dapper gyro]

It says clearly as day right there.

[astral burrow]

I am looking at the page for krieg in general

I know grenadiers wear armor

I am trying to find if the normal infantry does

[late osprey]

Normal Infantry have flak jackets per Only War

Or something like that

Which are functionally identical to the armor Cadians wear

[astral burrow]

Then they must have armor underneath the coats

[dapper gyro]

99.999% don't get Carapace.

[astral burrow]

Cuz only the riders, grenadiers, engineers and officers have visible armor

[late osprey]

They don't wear armor under the coats

The coats are the armor

[astral burrow]

That psyker mini goes hard

[astral burrow]

Where is that stated cuz coat being flak armor makes no sense

[arctic talon]

Carapace is for grenadiers yeah

[dapper gyro]

Hence the chick in the Darktide veteran shop right now is a Kasrkin, unlike the fake Kasrkin in the Kasrkin bundle.

[arctic talon]

It’s not a Psyker, it’s a standard bearer

[astral burrow]

Grenadiers are so goated

[late osprey]

Fantasy Flight Games' Only War RPG clearly states it

[astral burrow]

The upper left isn't a psyker?

[astral burrow]

That's so dumb wtf

[late osprey]

The exact verbiage is lost on me but Death Korps infantry are issued something that "looks like clothing but is actually really strong and protective i swear"

[arctic talon]

Upper left is a medic

[late osprey]

Yeah, I don't like it either

But it is what it is

[arctic talon]

Well

[astral burrow]

It is just a coat that protects from chemical stuff according to lexi

[late osprey]

Armageddon Steel Legion suffers from it too

[arctic talon]

It’s a quartermaster

Not a medic

But still

[late osprey]

At least Catachans explicitly wear flak armor

[astral burrow]

Oh

[arctic talon]

Same role in the death corps

[astral burrow]

It still looks great

[dapper gyro]

Looking at the Catachan... those shirts are carapace rated.

[distant marsh]

Greetings can Arbites use tattos or these are seen as sin? or whatever

[arctic talon]

Tattoos are fine

[astral burrow]

You could definitely make that into a psyker mini by adding a few stuff

[arctic talon]

You get them at the schola progenium often

[astral burrow]

Engineers are so cool too

Common infantry really get the ugly end of the stick huh

[late osprey]

They actually do wear flak armor commonly like actual soldiers, the 5+ for shirtless dudes is pure Game MEchanics

[distant marsh]

Is there any lore reason for Arites color skin?

[arctic talon]

Like skin color? Any human skin color

[astral burrow]

So glad krieg skins in darktide for zealot are based on grenadiers

[arctic talon]

For armor always black and red

[distant marsh]

Like is their homeworld cold af, or the other way around

[astral burrow]

He looks like he knows what the ladies like

[arctic talon]

They don’t come from one specific world

[astral burrow]

Fatshark can't sell recolors now?

[arctic talon]

They come from the schola progenium

[astral burrow]

[distant marsh]

Gotchu

[arctic talon]

Which is an orphan school

[arctic talon]

For the imperial orphans who have rich parents/parents in the guard/ect.

They basically go through brutal training to prepare them for wherever they’ll be sent

[dapper gyro]

It is pure game mechnic that the less you wear, the better armour rating, usually apply to woman though.

[distant marsh]

Hmmm that's interesting

[dapper gyro]

Oh I miss those days when you have female Catachan models.

[arctic talon]

They never had any till ripper Jackson

Tbf

They were in art

But no minis

[astral burrow]

Is there a catachan mini that looks like frank woods

[late osprey]

Call it a hot take but I wish the Cadia-pattern design was more visibly ubiquitous. Wish it was seen even on Kriegers and Armageddoners

[dapper gyro]

She flak rated t shirt.

[arctic talon]

Arbites are drawn from those who are capable at combat, but can’t make the cut for scions or SoB(if they’re woman) and need to be smart enough to memorize the Lex, Ect.

[astral burrow]

Smart enough for what

[arctic talon]

Arbites are judge jury executioner

They take all 3 parts of the job seriously

Arbites are in fact massive fucking nerds

[astral burrow]

As if they do any genuine judging

[arctic talon]

As well as people who will cave your skull in with a mace

[dapper gyro]

Steel legion storm troops actually wear carapace similar to Cadian, or should we say the common IG armour, pattern.

[arctic talon]

If you see an arbite they’ve judged you guilty already

[distant marsh]

Damn the disrespect, good enough for something but not really to be the main guys

[arctic talon]

lol

[astral burrow]

So it is the law that's dogshit?

[arctic talon]

I mean

You know how big the Lex imperialis is

[astral burrow]

Yeah

Not really much thinking needed

[arctic talon]

It takes years sometimes

To come to a verdict

[late osprey]

do you have pictures?

[arctic talon]

Tbf, arbites certainly live longer then sisters of battle or tempestus scions lol

[late osprey]

Arbites are comically well-geared for what they're actually doing

[distant marsh]

And who are these scions? got the helmet skin in game but taht's about it

[late osprey]

Like they're equipped at the same level as elites

[late osprey]

Imperial Guard special forces

[astral burrow]

I don't see any armor

Just pouches

[late osprey]

Fatshark refuses to release a full set of them, IDK why. Spite, maybe.

[arctic talon]

“In fact, the Book of Judgement has long-since grown beyond the confines of a single tome, no matter how large, and comprises countless records, books, and legal decrees.

The most ancient articles are written on crumbling parchments, enscribed in unknown Human tongues by the nameless functionaries of a forgotten age. However, every day new volumes of parchment, data-records, and encoded holoscript are added to the Book of Judgement, and interred within the reinforced confines of the Hall of Judgement on Terra. Shelves of tomes rise hundreds of metres towards the vaulted ceilings above canyons of marble and iron.

Over the ages, the Hall of Judgement has been expanded and extended many times, so that it is now an entire complex covering many acres, with kilometres of corridors, levels, and rooms.”

Tldr

It’s fucking big

It’s so big it’s many acres worth

Of library space

[late osprey]

It's just Common Law but Deranged

[dapper gyro]

The one I linked from reddit above. It is kind of hard to see though.

[arctic talon]

Tempestus scions are the elite storm troopers that fight alongside the imperial guard

Not the regimental ones

[late osprey]

Yeah those are the old-school standardized stormtrooper armor

[arctic talon]

Scions are assigned from their time in the schola to a 5-10 trooper squad

And they’ll train together until they graduate in which case a regiment of scions will be formed

[distant marsh]

Aig got the female Arbites ready when it drops, so these Arbites don't have white hair like you can do with zealot or Psykers (You know, madman going crazy or whatever)

[arctic talon]

Scions get sent to the most god awful warzones

[astral burrow]

This

[arctic talon]

To go do missions

Also usually they die horribly

[distant marsh]

Why

[arctic talon]

Because scions are psychopathic indoctrinated soldiers

[astral burrow]

So, zealots?

[arctic talon]

Worst warzones tend to have the worst things to fight

[arctic talon]

No

[arctic talon]

They’re not extremely religious

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty much

That dude is tempestor material

Lol

[dapper gyro]

The same female face that 90% of the player use...

[distant marsh]

This is just some drunk dude who lost his adopted brother

[dapper gyro]

I think because it is the youngest looking one.

(Yes, I do, too)

[arctic talon]

LOL

[late osprey]

Let me guess, it's the only one that doesn't look like the Rock of Ages slammed into it at full force

[distant marsh]

The not so fcked up looking, yes

[late osprey]

Scions are my favorite "regiment"

[arctic talon]

To put into context how fanatical scions are

A group of them opened fired on the Adeptus custodes because an inqusitor ordered them to

And they all died horribly but you know

That tends to happen

[dapper gyro]

After that group of scion almost wiped out an entire fortress of arbites...

If not for the Custodes showed up and did a No U card.

It is like 2 dozen of them vs an entire fortress btw.

[late osprey]

Well yeah one's a squad of Elite Gang Killers and the other's essentially Professional Bullies

[arctic talon]

Tbh arbites are good at their job

But the scions are like

Way worse

Also shotguns vs carapace

Even with the nice arbite ammo

Carapace can def eat it

And hotshots annihilate carapace in opposition

So uh

[dapper gyro]

They don't need to learn to use MS office, so more time for range shooting.

[arctic talon]

It fucking sucks for the arbites

[late osprey]

My point's just that Hive Gangers are unfortunately no comparison for fighting Scions

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Carapace armor meet hotshot lasgun

Hotshot lasgun meet flesh

[distant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZKZEpKzENU

I'll take this female face..... with the short hair!

[late osprey]

Even besides gear, Gangers are kinda shitty at fighting in the grand scheme of it all

[arctic talon]

But lore wise hotshot lasguns are capable of piercing power armor

Without too much effort

[dapper gyro]

Hotshot kills even SM, let alone mere carapace grade.

[late osprey]

A lot easier to blast some drunk druggies

[arctic talon]

Tbf arbites aren’t usually fighting gangers

They have marginally bigger fish to fry

[late osprey]

Like what?

[arctic talon]

Private security more often

Or rogue pdf

When they’re arresting planetary governors and such

Lol

[late osprey]

Oh right

[distant marsh]

Rogue what?

[late osprey]

When the military turns corrupt

you call in the arbite

s

[distant marsh]

How do you pronounce that name btw, been callim em arbiter like the Elite from Halo lol

[late osprey]

I like to think Arby's

But add "bite" in the middle

[languid meadow]

Ar-Beet-tees

[distant marsh]

Bite this

[arctic talon]

Ar bee tees is how GW said it

Ar bites is how I say it

[late osprey]

tbh you'd think noble houses would feature Scion-grade units more frequently

[arctic talon]

Tbh hotshots are hard to get

[late osprey]

it can't be that hard to convince a veteran squad to desert and be your picked guys

[languid meadow]

most house guard are just fancy PDF

since the best soldiers get sent to the guard

[late osprey]

right, im saying you'd think they'd be better

especially if its a world like Necromunda or Atoma where the noble houses are rivalry'ing with each other all the time

they can SURELY do better than just rust-eating gangers

[sour hornet]

What are the classes going to call the Arbites and vice-versa?

[languid meadow]

I think we know what they call vets right?

"conscripts" iirc

[dapper gyro]

The Judge zealot will have a fun time with the Arbites...

[languid meadow]

the 3 personalities I'm excited to meet the arbites is LC, Savant, and Judge

[sacred ginkgo]

Savant is going to have major beef or suck up to them constantly

[dapper gyro]

I would say Loner, but Savant is a good pick since they were former enforcers.

[sour hornet]

Savant will probably try to relate to the Arbite only to be rebuffed probably.

[dapper gyro]

Loners just have anti-imperium takes in general.

[arctic talon]

Arbites, judge,

Uhhhh

Officer?

Lol

[sour hornet]

Arbites preside over the tithe, correct? Including the psyker culling? So they wouldn't be zealot levels of racist, but still not nice.

[late osprey]

Law Guy

[languid meadow]

Can't wait for LC to annoy the arbites but I also hope they can humble the LC

[sacred ginkgo]

Loose cannon will probably shit talk them and win like against every other career

[dapper gyro]

They generally see themselves as above most people short of a noble or from other Imperium school.

[sour hornet]

Loose cannon is just based really

[arctic talon]

Arbite talks very loudly and in detail about excruciation

Lol

[sour hornet]

I don't even like vet all that much and I love having one on my team

[arctic talon]

Tithe + Lex imperialis yeah

[dapper gyro]

Pro Vet and LC Vet are nice and fun, but CT Vet have the feel.

[sour hornet]

If I was trained at the same place Sororitas and Tempestus Scions are trained, my ego would be seen from orbit.

[languid meadow]

I bet CT will try to blame the arbites for not "trying enough" to save cadia

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-squarepants-angry-ripping-gif-25651719

[arctic talon]

Tbh all schola graduates have massive fucking egos

Lol

Including the ones that end up in the assasinorum

[dapper gyro]

CT only complain about that to some specific people. Nevertheless, we will see.

[languid meadow]

I mean if you survived and graduated from the schola you to would have a massive ego

[arctic talon]

Tbh there were arbites on Cadia

They were stomping out homegrown cults and other elements

Primarily

[young pecan]

Are there any female lizardmen of note in either WHF or AoS?

Realized I've never seen or heard of one even existing

[sour hornet]

uh of course not

dummy

it's lizardMEN

not lizardWOMEN

[young pecan]

Lizardmoids

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-4head-yikes-omegalul-gif-19322286

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[crystal forum]

cats are not meant to exist

they are against the laws of nature and yet they live in spite

i love them

[umbral kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/m-hmmm-gif-22230949

[vagrant fox]

I don't know how cats manage to survive in the wild they're so stupid

[umbral kraken]

because theyre fast, silent, and can climb up things

also at least moderately immune to fall damage

cats suck though unless theyre cute and affectionate cats

[dapper gyro]

They are pretty high up in the food chain, we only see them as stupid because of the huge leading gap.

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stupid-slobber-the-bluetooth-device-is-ready-to-pair-gif-17323072743601828847

[dapper gyro]

And to be fair, I see many of us way worse than cats.

[rose thorn]

They are lizards, most lizard species can swap gender

[rose thorn]

@GW where’s our cat girl faction for AOS

[young pecan]

I thought that was only under certain circumstances caused by environmental, and that generally lizards do have assigned sexes

[rose thorn]

From what I know it’s society dependent, if they can’t find a mate by a certain time the swap sex to reproduce

Or to reproduce with themselves soemrimes

But I only know for salamanders

[young pecan]

Self-preg is crazy work

In lore are there any female lizards though or is it not really commented on or?

[winter vessel]

Plants be like:

[rose thorn]

I know there is a female serpahon on the AOS slann model, and I think the underworlds warbands leader is female identifying

[young pecan]

Well that's something

[crystal forum]

maggie tell us how weird bugs are compared to cats

resident bug expert

[rose thorn]

Oh?

[crystal forum]

what is the bug that resembles the most a cat

[sharp pollen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372935544109531147/1375886728887537814/image.png?ex=683351de&is=6832005e&hm=4402f2d1a705f8e23a8e8df23f9ac0dac9a4ad13afbe6b5cda3e5ce922f75913&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1077&height=641&

guys is this the lore

[torpid vine]

I mean...

It's not NOT the lore...

[languid meadow]

unknown technology

[sour hornet]

i hate bugs so much

the helldiver bugs fall in the same category

hate them too

[sly ivy]

Neither lizards nor salamanders switch sex post hatching. Some female lizards and salamanders can be parthenogenetic.

[jolly path]

question, would kriegs use things like axes?

tactical axes to be precise, the ones that are one handed

[astral burrow]

Don't see why not

[queen laurel]

yes they would

[astral burrow]

I never really seen them use it

But meh

Axe works

[jolly path]

wanna make some loadouts some bit lore accurate for the vet krieg

thought shotgun with axe and helbore with the good ole shovel

[queen laurel]

All of that works pretty well

[barren prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNVBNe0Ca7I
ok maybe alpha legion isnt so bad afterall

[shadow plover]

I'd say something but I don't want to be mean

[barren prawn]

do it

[shadow plover]

do you really need someone to spell all this out for you, isn't this all pretty upfront when it comes to the AL?

[barren prawn]

nah the book is still mid

[shadow plover]

and once someone spells it out THEN you like them?

[barren prawn]

the book is unreadable my man

[shadow plover]

[barren prawn]

also

[shadow plover]

this wasn't just about the one book

you've been very anti AL over all

[barren prawn]

yeah

not my fault GW choose to not develop them well

they're still frozen with ingo pech somewhere in the basement of GW

i cant believe dan wrote PARAGRAPHS about some custode and some selenar running around with some old dude trying to make a bio weapon (that will ruin all of 40k lore if it functioned) instead of finishing off the jonnyG and alpha legion plotlines

[storm jungle]

its Live from the Black Library

guy literally milks braindead content like this for views

so dont worry about it

[storm jungle]

Also Clad you are stupid.

[shadow plover]

I didn't want to be mean to Clad, I don't care about the tuber

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh too late on that front

[queen laurel]

Hey sometimes talking to him genuinely feels like you're talking to a brick wall

[storm jungle]

Bro cant even read rulebooks and most novels

😔

[shadow plover]

[barren prawn]

NOT MY FAULT I CANT READ

everything i said previously is FACT

idc!!!

[storm jungle]

Better get to reading boy.

Before I take out the stick

[barren prawn]

no

i need a several month break after horus heresy

jesus "this has been my end and my death" is living rent free in my head

[barren prawn]

😠 why are you even here?! u read less than i do

[median star]

refer to the image above

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

You are the end and the death of my sanity

[barren prawn]

says local crazy person

[queen laurel]

hey at least she actually knows how to read

Unlike a certain fish

[barren prawn]

pffff being illiterate has saved me from dan abnett cognitohazards

[queen laurel]

you sound like the imperium you know

[barren prawn]

hell yeah

[queen laurel]

yeah you remind me of how bad the emperor is

[barren prawn]

yea

[storm jungle]

🪞

[storm jungle]

More like saved you from future cognitive improvements 😔

[storm jungle]

A true dumdum.

[storm jungle]

A perfect (not) simp||leton||

[queen laurel]

i can't believe i'm saying this but i think an ork is more literate than this guy

[storm jungle]

Tbh they definitely are

Clad is more of a mariana trench creature

[astral burrow]

Deadmen walking will be my first 40k book

[astral burrow]

Can't they just imagine reading something and it becomes the actual text?

Why don't orks just imagine themselves taking over the galaxy, are they stupid?

[queen laurel]

The reality bending belief is a meme

it's just psychic duct tape

for example they can shoot a gun that shouldn't be able to shoot a few more times then it just completely breaks itself

As a human you can use ork technology you just have to stabilize it

[astral burrow]

Damn

Do they love racing

All their shit have exhausts and racing stripes

[queen laurel]

Yeah there is a group of them that really love it

speed freeks

[astral burrow]

New game

[queen laurel]

and a clan in particular is famous for this love of speed being the evil sunz

[astral burrow]

Sunz

[astral burrow]

You speaking like a tech priest

[barren prawn]

fits ive been playing dredge lately

[astral burrow]

Dredge sounds like a pepe emote

Madge, sadge, dreadge

[barren prawn]

every 40k book is like "brother i know u were dying and becoming a primaris was the only way to save u but u r taller than me so we must fight now"

[storm jungle]

The drop goes further than id imagine 😔

[barren prawn]

its comfy

[astral burrow]

Isn't that just for space marines

[barren prawn]

yeah pretty much

[raven stone]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-pizza-gif-6074641

What did I walk into chat

[queen laurel]

it's your fault for thinking that we wouldn't have a weird conversation

come on man you're a lore chatter

every time you click that chat you have to grit your teeth and dive in

[wintry scarab]

To the rogue trader people here, does it have transmog yet?

[rocky gale]

Not last time I checked

[queen laurel]

nope

[rocky gale]

There is a mod though

[rose thorn]

Probably the great emperor Caterpillar

[storm jungle]

no way, lootbug

[queen laurel]

straight up a better emperor than the emperor

[barren prawn]

speaking of mods

@storm jungle is there anyway the discord can get a tag

i put this on as a joke and discord wont let me remove it just replace it

plase save me

[astral burrow]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Who knows.

[astral burrow]

Use ReDress if you are on pc

Can even wear npc outfits

And hide armor

[rose thorn]

Oh are loot bugs ticks?

[storm jungle]

Lmao it was a DRG joke

https://tenor.com/view/lootbug-deep-rock-galactic-lootbug-pat-gif-27348065

[queen laurel]

they are basically fat caterpillars that eat rocks

[queen laurel]

me petting the loot bugs before putting a 50 caliber shell through their brain

[rose thorn]

Oh I see it now

https://external-preview.redd.it/the-real-life-loot-bug-below-decks-at-ghost-ship-v0-jRU6KMnm0FTB7EpbnhlEWtRPDmLoqCs1Co3TFv9LGv4.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f1b065e77003a111bdc4360aa9f5baec3688c065

I was trying to see from this

[queen laurel]

oh yeah that's uhh

the elder god we keep under the station just ignore that

[rose thorn]

Oh lol

[astral burrow]

Are there any mobile 40k games that ARENT p2w cashgrab

[astral burrow]

Why does it have fingers

[queen laurel]

no next question

[astral burrow]

Nothing at all?

Not even fun gba/ds games I can emulate?

[rose thorn]

No

[queen laurel]

like bare minimum the most fun you can probably find is the imperial knight game

but even then

[rose thorn]

That got shut down didn’t itv

40K has infamous bad mobile games

And warhammer in general

[queen laurel]

yeah i'm pretty sure you can't find

it

[astral burrow]

Tacticus is also bad?

[rose thorn]

It’s overrated af

It’s really boring

[astral burrow]

Free blade? Horus heresy?

Warpforge?

Maybe the upcoming supremacy game will be fine

Warpforge is on pc too so that one might be nice

[queen laurel]

oh wait Warhammer 40,000: Freeblade is still available i think

[rose thorn]

I played it, it’s HH with worse balancing

[astral burrow]

What is HH

[astral burrow]

It is up just saw it

[rose thorn]

Horus heresy

Warpforge is Horus Heresy with even worse monetization

[astral burrow]

Ah

And Freeblade?

[queen laurel]

ehh it's mid

like

really mid

[astral burrow]

Why can't they make a good mobile game smh

[dapper gyro]

No shit, the existence of mobile game is to vacuum all of your cash.

[astral burrow]

I keep seeing tacticus so I guess I will at least give it a shot

[astral burrow]

There are some good ones

Mostly ports of pc games

But fun to have them portable just chilling in bed gaming

[queen laurel]

I'm gonna sound a bit too old but I miss when mobile games were actually good

jetpack joyride was peak

[dapper gyro]

I do play some good old no advertisement mobile games. They got my money for that.

[tough haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iLUVInUuM&list=WL&index=5&ab_channel=JonathanYoung

This is cold

and officially sponsored

[sour hornet]

The developers are all money-grubbing shitbirds, basically.

[sour hornet]

You're asking there are any Games Workshop products that aren't overpriced?

You do know what franchise you're a fan of, correct?

[astral burrow]

PC games are fine u know

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-bro-seriously-what-nick-young-gif-14557466

[astral burrow]

I have 4 40k games and barely spent a dime

[sour hornet]

$20 skins brother

[astral burrow]

That's not p2w

[sour hornet]

overpriced

[astral burrow]

But not p2w

[sour hornet]

walletmongers

Okay??

Mobile games work differently than PC titles

[astral burrow]

So, doesn't answer my question at all

[sour hornet]

No, there are none.

Question answered.

[astral burrow]

See, simple

[sour hornet]

Expecting a company that sells plastic minis for an arm and leg to not make p2w mobile games.

https://tenor.com/view/笑-gif-5118823473936113945

[astral burrow]

Expecting something nice instead of a doomer dumbass

Sounds silly

[sour hornet]

Expecting something nice is being a dumbass.

GW is not that company

[astral burrow]

And here you are in the server one of their games

And playing the said game

[sour hornet]

Yeah, and I also smoke. We all do things that are bad for our health.

Your point?

💀

[astral burrow]

You do clearly

Not me

"eugh eugh gw making a good and affordable game? Are you a dumbass? Are you silly" just fucking say no

[sour hornet]

Nah

I don't think I will

[astral burrow]

Cool, enjoy being miserable

[rocky gale]

Not a great sign for an Ogor range refresh

[queen laurel]

that's a spearhead?

[rocky gale]

Yea their new Spearhead

[arctic talon]

they're trying to move stock

before the refresh imo

[rocky gale]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

I think its gona be next edition with a few kits this edition

[rocky gale]

Probably

[arctic talon]

they did it with Dark Angels, they did it with Drukhari in 3e

they've done it with stormcast

ect.

oh also they're doing it with grey knights rn

[rocky gale]

Because when Cities and FEC got their range refresh the Spearheads came out after and were all new models

[arctic talon]

yeah, but they had already sold enough of the old minis

to clear out stock

is my bet, esp since old world was gona be a thing

so they could repurpose stock

[astral burrow]

Do u two have mini collections

[arctic talon]

I have minis ye

[rocky gale]

Yea

[astral burrow]

May I see

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-no-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-hesitant-gif-15806752

[outer wave]

Okay, Im gonna sound really dumb, but why do they need to move stock? Couldnt they just remelt down the plastic into the newer models?

[arctic talon]

that costs more money

then just selling old minis

[rose thorn]

My thoguht is they are doing away with everything that ain’t in a spearhead like the maneaters

Army might just end up being half old half new

Or dumping off stock

[dapper gyro]

It costs them more than double to do that.

[outer wave]

Really?

[rocky gale]

GW have said they don't yet have the technology to be able to melt down old stock into a quality that can be reused

[outer wave]

They dont?

[rocky gale]

Yea they said it when they introduced their recyling initiative for old sprues and models

[dapper gyro]

Heat is not free, gas to take them around isn't neither.

Also, yes, old plastic degrade, you can't really do anything.

[rocky gale]

They will be recycled into other things, but they said the quality of plastic used for models is too high for them to used recyled plastic but it's something they're working on

[outer wave]

Ahh I see I see

[dapper gyro]

Even if they have the tech, you need 1 time energy to melt them down, and 1 more time energy to rebuild. You are not making money until the stock get back on the market again. So more than 2 times lost at minimum to recycle.

Most of the recycling companies in the world actual do reuse and repurpose than actual recycle.

[arctic talon]

It’s def dumping stock

[astral burrow]

Secret minis smh

[arctic talon]

They’ve done this for every system they do

Lol

[queen laurel]

They just group up the old minis and just call it like a combat patrol or some ****?

[arctic talon]

It’s really obvious whenever a box that’s an absurdly good deal with a bunch of older looking stuff is in it

[arctic talon]

Just big boxes of older minis

Tbh

The vashtor box had like what

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

30 fucking terminators in it?

Absolutely was meant to shift stock lol

And there was a stormcast battleforce before 3e

[rocky gale]

What about Doomfire Warlocks being in every single DoK boxset ever

[arctic talon]

That was all the pre scaled ones

[queen laurel]

can't they just you know also recycle them?

[rocky gale]

Offloading a lot of stock?

[arctic talon]

That’s just a case of they can’t sell them tbh

GW likes to put stuff they can’t sell as much in combo boxes

[arctic talon]

Not into a reusable material

Also not cost effective

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

It’s much easier to have the studio take a photo

And make boxes

[dapper gyro]

This happens very often in the mini hobbies.

[arctic talon]

Flames of war moment

Hell battle tech did it

[dapper gyro]

Tamiya reboxed kits from the 90s in 2020s. Then they also release new mold of the same subject at the same time.

[arctic talon]

tamiya profit maxing

[dapper gyro]

At least they are not Dragon model company, reboxed 90s stuff and sell them at higher msrp than their more recent stuff...

[rose thorn]

To be fair it wasn’t as bad as they did with DA

[arctic talon]

no

it was pretty fucking bad lol

there was that one christmas battleforce for stormcast

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah

[arctic talon]

that was like almost exclusively 1e stuff

[rose thorn]

That was BAD

[arctic talon]

like

GW does this all the fucking time LOL

lemme see if I can find it

[queen laurel]

hey wolf

with RT companions

an Arbites can tag along with an RT right

[arctic talon]

Ye

[storm jungle]

yeah theres a sole companion

[arctic talon]

found it

God

what a fucking box lol

[rose thorn]

This was late 2nd edition tbf

[queen laurel]

hell if you're lucky enough even an arbites can become an RT

[arctic talon]

yeah

and the stormcast refresh was 3e

well "refresh"

thunderstrike armor rather

[rose thorn]

There wasn’t any refresh it was all new stuff

[arctic talon]

in any case this was def scummy

ehh

thunderstrike def replaced

a lot of the older stuff

usability wise

also just from an aesthetic standpoint Thunderstrike is better imo

the old stormcast are very squat

[rose thorn]

My favorite is the gargant they shoved into ironjawz

[arctic talon]

lol

[sour hornet]

Anyone can tag along with an RT basically.

The source book for RT is pretty extensive in this regard.

[storm jungle]

My favorite trope in fandoms

main lore is bare

RPG company comes along

makes tons of extra fluff/lore that slaps

[queen laurel]

Hey why do you think one of my favorite orruk quotes are in champions of destruction for age of sigmar soulbound

[raven stone]

Watching barren lore fields being seeded by excellent lore building is a joy all on its own

[raven stone]

An oddly Orc yet appropriate take on life...

..."if you truly cannot fix it, don't think about it."

[astral burrow]

Rpg company?

As in, a company makes an rpg game?

[storm jungle]

No as in company that makes rocket propelled grenades

[celest dome]

As in Bolts for Boltguns

[languid meadow]

no as in a company that blows up your house with a rocket propelled grenade

[queen laurel]

No as in a company that mines uranium and turns into nukes

[astral burrow]

What fandom added extra fluff/lore with an rpg game?

[storm jungle]

Literally almost all big IPs lol

[astral burrow]

I can't think of any

[queen laurel]

My guy doctor who has a rpg

Warhammer both age of sigmar and 40k has rpgs

[astral burrow]

What

I can think of star wars that has an rpg, but it was not bland at all before that

[celest dome]

Fantasy and 40k both have had lot of lore added through the various rpg games (Only War, Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader...)

For example

[celest dome]

Is one of the player meant to play as the Doctor ?

[late osprey]

the Stoics would be proud

Legacy of Kain is incoming with an RPG

Which is glorious

[queen laurel]

Just know it's a thing i don't know how the f****** rules work

Because it's from cubicle 7

You know the same one that currently handles every warhammer rpg

[celest dome]

Fair

[celest dome]

Of course, never looked at their other stuff though

[queen laurel]

Same

[celest dome]

Atm the 2 rpg I'm looking at are French editions of WoD: Wereworlf, and a Delta Green one

[queen laurel]

Me i'm waiting for icon

[astral burrow]

Rpg games as in tabletop?

Not videogame?

Makes sense why I don't know then

[celest dome]

Yes

[late osprey]

@arctic talon Chaos Gate Grey Knights has a big beautiful discount that let me get everything for $20

You said it has a brutal difficulty curve, what should I avoid doing to not get pwned?

[arctic talon]

Interceptors are the best unit early on by far and even later on are extremely good

Justicar good early to mid game

For giving more AP

Medicae Skull is imo near must have

Grenades are spicy with purgators

Fear the heavy stubber cultist

Genuinely one of the most dangerous enemies in the game

If you have dlc best assassin is ||Callidus||

don’t buy weapons from the armory until you get tier 3 imo. Earlier tiers of armor are fine but the weapons pale in comparison

Tier 3 is way better then tier 1 and 2 so all the older stuff is wasted generally

[late osprey]

Good stuff, thanks

[arctic talon]

Oh also the usual of

Kill shit fast

Kill stuff that disabled you

Be proactive rather reactive

[late osprey]

The art style is so funny

It reminds me of Jack Black's Brutal Legend

https://tenor.com/bU5uk.gif

[arctic talon]

its a very cutesy/cartoony artstyle lol

which is funny

[sacred bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-server-emo-walking-meme-gif-17274529422387826613

[storm jungle]

AINT NO WAY

😭

[vagrant fox]

isn't it the muslim god

[dapper gyro]

Oh no, GW being sexist. Move along.

[spring cairn]

Ahura Mazda ?

[vagrant fox]

🤔

[dapper gyro]

They believe that other believed in... lol

[vagrant fox]

Makes sense to me, pagans and such

genestealers, all that

[dapper gyro]

Since Dilara is the 1st to think of it here, I propose that we grant her that title of "Termagant".

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

Nah tyranid units are like

named after extremely archaic stuff

a Harridan for example is an annoying old woman

or a Hirodule is uhhh a Roman temple prostitute

theres also weird ones like a Lictor who is a roman advisor i think, and a Carnifex who is an executioner which is a bit more fitting lol

[vagrant fox]

I was just thinking about that middle ages belief

[storm jungle]

Yeah they got a lot of funny origins

[young pecan]

What is this even from

[young pecan]

Mods, pull up pygmy WHF lore

[young pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473062374400589828/1339946203554779136/ezgif-3-148303765a.gif

[astral burrow]

Is this really a laspistol?

Doesn't have that angled muzzle

[late osprey]

no thats an autpistol

but on tabletop they're statistically identical

[astral burrow]

Yeah thought so

I thought kriegs didn't use auto weapons tho

They have laser ones, why would they

This is the only mini I can find with an auto weapon

[dapper gyro]

They still use shotgun... which is close to the worst kind of projectile weapon for combat.

Like, in real life, shotgun is a breaching tool, not a primary weapon.

[astral burrow]

Engineers use that tho

I can see it being used more for utility too

But an autogun instead of a laspistol, there are basically 0 upsides

Also, that rotating shotgun, is it based on smth else?

Like, an irl shotgun

Cuz it reminds me of the metro 2033 one

[dapper gyro]

It is an old concept,

Most of them exist as an loop hole for firearms laws.

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Like, in real life?

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And yes, I meant Krieg Engineers, they use the worst possible primary arms option.

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Yes

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It is very close lol

This is from metro

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The issue with them is that they are extremely heavy. Since the chamber is the cylindre, instead of having 1 chamber for hold pressure, you have more the number equivalent of the magazin capacity.

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probably can't have magazine fed in some places

but this rotating cylinder isnt a magazine hehe

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In metro actually you can just

Shove a magazine in there lmao

And it works

Can't do that in 40k can u

[dapper gyro]

It is pure fiction and non funcional. The shell would explode once the pin hit and blast your hand off.

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Metro guns are made with a pipe and a duct tape in some dudes basement

It is a miracle any of them work

Isn't the cylinder magazine basically just

An integrated drum mag?

I wonder if they will add this specific shotgun to darktide

I would love it

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https://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/shotgun/Rus/1419157566.jpg

A russian made one.

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This is just a revolver with a stock and a long barrel

That cylinder doesn't look big enough to hold shotgun shells does it

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Also, it needs a thick blastshield in front of the cylindre to block the blast. Otherwise, you know... blast your hand off...

It is .410 Bore.

[astral burrow]

Basically just judge revolver turned into a carbine or smth

I love pistols with stocks and long barrels

Wish we had those in game

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https://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/shotgun/Rus/1419157724.jpg

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That's big damn

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This one is 16 gauge I think.

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Only 5 shells tho

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They have 12 gauge, too.

Again, it is an very impractical design in real life.

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It looks sick tho

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https://web.archive.org/web/20160312143819if_/http://www.tulatskib.ru/produce/civilian/mc255_big.jpg