40k-lore-chat

[summer mural]

the real winner is the voice actor for literally all the clones in the clone wars show

[languid meadow]

Dee Bradley Baker on his way to talk to himself for an entire episode

[summer mural]

its the same guy, i forget his name

dee bradley baker yeah

HES ALL THE CLONES

[crystal forum]

voice acting credits is all his name

[summer mural]

it literally is

[languid meadow]

Sad we didn't see the rest of delta (minus sev) in the bad batch

We just got lobotomized scorch

[summer mural]

wdym the rest

scorch is in the bad batch?

i dont remember

[languid meadow]

Yeah he leads the security of tantis

He's also the only commando with markings

[summer mural]

rip

[languid meadow]

In the entire show

[summer mural]

well, as late as it was

i liked the clone commandos

they were suitably thicc

also I guess they didnt wanna upset the kids by making the bad batch gun down arc troopers en masse

[crystal forum]

the best thing the sequels have done is give acting careers to good actors

[summer mural]

oh you're right, i remember, they even mention him by name a bunch

[crystal forum]

does anybody simp for the chromed stormtrooper lady who dies instantly

[summer mural]

who?

[crystal forum]

there must be somebody

[languid meadow]

Yeah people did

I hate what they did to her character

Such a cool actress and backstory

Wasted

[summer mural]

there are no star wars movies except the first 6 and rogue one, I dunno where yall pull all these characters from

[languid meadow]

Captain phasma iirc

[rocky gale]

She has her own Comic series to explain her origin and side adventures between movies and she's the worst character in it

[crystal forum]

man but at least forgettable actor number 4 got to say a funny line

[languid meadow]

Cool design

[summer mural]

also, its nice they let daniel craig be a stormtrooper

[vagrant fox]

The way Fin was wasted is criminal

[crystal forum]

i do like the storm trooper redesigned helmets

[rocky gale]

TN-3465 was a real one

[crystal forum]

they look cool

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-trooper-traitor-starwars-gif-15518569

this guy was #1

[crystal forum]

that was a cool scene yeah

[summer mural]

also idr what even happens to the clones as a whole in bad batch, do they get genocided?

[crystal forum]

also when han tries the chewbaca crossbow

that thing was funny

because that gun is super good right?

[summer mural]

the bow caster yeah

[languid meadow]

All of the Disney trooper designs are great

Just wish they were used better

Death troopers and shore troopers get some good rep at least

[vagrant fox]

It's mostly how I feel about Star Wars in general, man I wish it was used better

[summer mural]

rogue one death troopers are the first time ive seen an imperial trooper look actually menacing

[rocky gale]

Everything added in Rogue One was peak

Tank Troopers so fucking cool

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/star-death-trooper-empier-rouge1-gif-19259269

like dude i am not getting into a firefight with that guy

[languid meadow]

I love the height requirements to be casted as one

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-troopers-galactic-empire-rogue-one-troopers-gif-18864137

[languid meadow]

I think it was like 6'2+ to be casted as a death trooper in live action

[crystal forum]

i like that they still keep the gun design

still just WW2 guns slapped together

[languid meadow]

People getting angry over the andor ak when the E11 is just a sterling with a scope and short mag

[crystal forum]

people get mad at this?

[languid meadow]

The DLT19 is just an mg34

[crystal forum]

aren't half star wars animated guns not even sticking to the design

[languid meadow]

Yeah they get more creative with blaster designs

[crystal forum]

there is an actual sizeable amount of mauser C96's that have been destroyed by the community

since it's hand solo's gun

and for that they deserve death

[languid meadow]

Despair

[crystal forum]

you have to think that WW2 surplus guns were cheap af back when episode 4 came out

[summer mural]

what was up with the clones on mygeeto wearing that rad purple armor

their outfit was completely different from your average clone

helmet , pants everything

[languid meadow]

21st galactic marines

Basically their armour was like meant for harsher environments

[crystal forum]

officially endorsed regiment by 21st century fox

[summer mural]

these guys

[languid meadow]

Yeah those are the 21st

[summer mural]

apart from that 1 guy in the middle, they look like a different faction lol

[languid meadow]

Their commander the dude in the middle was an asshole

[crystal forum]

those guys look like the hoth storm troopers

[summer mural]

LOL

[crystal forum]

i have legos of the hoth storm troopers

[languid meadow]

Yeah mygeeto is cold

[crystal forum]

they look cool

[summer mural]

snowtroopers

[languid meadow]

It's basically the older version of the stormtrooper cold gear

[summer mural]

for me commander wolffe will always be peak clone drip

[remote widget]

@storm jungle why did eisenhorn not just put an anti null device on bequin the first so they could smash, is he dumb?

[languid meadow]

My fav armour is the phase 1.5 that arc troopers used

[crystal forum]

because dan is a cuck

[remote widget]

My fave armour is ur mum, if were just staying off topic forever

[remote widget]

Ahh, that explains... way too much

[languid meadow]

Whatever bozo

[summer mural]

that finger slam was improvised

makes it even better

[crystal forum]

reminder that the actor is NOT gay

and i take offense to that

[sacred ginkgo]

Half the rebel weapons are just an m4 receiver plus bits

Or in some cases

Just the receiver

[summer mural]

i love krennic, hes so imperial, hes always bullying and dominating his subordinates with peak confidence, then just melts when he has to talk to tarkin or vader

[languid meadow]

I need to find it but one of the rebel guns just being an stg44 with some bits

[crystal forum]

at least the supply wont ever dry up

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah it works

Just silly to see a gas system and ejection port on a laser gun

[crystal forum]

also these days you can 3d print a prop gun yaaaay

did you know what mandalorian's gun is

[languid meadow]

The E11s would fire blanks in the og trilogy

[crystal forum]

it's something bergman

a very early self loading pistol

[languid meadow]

Bergman no9 iirc

[crystal forum]

not even modified

since these guns all look funky

would this not make a good star wars blaster

[sacred ginkgo]

Too much flat surface

[languid meadow]

Bergmann 1896 is the pistols name

[sacred ginkgo]

Needs glowy bits on it

[crystal forum]

star wars guns dont have glowy bits i thought

at least non clone wars guns

[sacred ginkgo]

A small few do

[languid meadow]

A few do like the DC17

[sacred ginkgo]

But you know what I mean

[crystal forum]

please post images

[sacred ginkgo]

Empty space to be filled with useless detail

[crystal forum]

i dont know these names

in fact nobody does

DC10 star wars gun

[languid meadow]

The DC17M

Is the blaster of the clone commandos

[crystal forum]

bland

[storm jungle]

Hes simply just not The Man 😔

[crystal forum]

my answer is more accurate

[storm jungle]

never

[crystal forum]

cmon dilara you can tell what dan's into from his earlier books

[languid meadow]

Who knows Ian maybe one day this could be my next movie

[sacred bluff]

he seems to be more about the tension

[crystal forum]

because it gets him off

that's what a cuck does

[sacred bluff]

except when nayl hooked up with that lady that reminded ravenor of his past love

you know whatt

you kinda onto something...

[outer wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwX53FemIGM Is this guy a pretty good loretuber or nah?

[pearl brook]

I like him. He's got that sage like grandfather mojo. Also, his original lore stories are pretty decent. If VOX in the void was a sympathetic old gramps that would be him. I stopped listening to all these lore channels because i just dont listen to this kinda stuff but he is worth a listen If youre into that kind of stuff.

[astral burrow]

Clone wars gun

[storm jungle]

Hes pretty good, mostly due to his voice and serious demeanor.

I recommend him if you want to get that "audiobook" experience

[sacred bluff]

@outer wave

[astral burrow]

Night night

[outer wave]

Gotcha gotcha, thank ya

[outer wave]

Thank ya thank ya

[vagrant fox]

yea he's pretty good, I like his advice to make some time for fun

it's sage and wise

[outer wave]

That is genuinely good advice tbh

[paper haven]

Oh well isn't this a pleasant surprise.

Kind words.

[mint magnet]

He's okay, he plays a little bit too much into the fascist imperium role play sometimes but I dont think he's bad. I quite liked his alpha legion video.

I prefer Oculus Imperia over everyone else just because I like his voice and really appreciate the work he puts into his scripts

His Xana incursion video is fantastic and is a treat for us Xana II pilled helforge heads

[storm jungle]

It also helps that hes very open about his alignment in the fandom sphere too lol

[mint magnet]

^^^

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one thing I sometimes find "sus" with some content creators so its nice to see on the side.

[outer wave]

Like some would be deliberately vague about where they stand?

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much or just being pro-imperium among other shit. Oculus is also pretty openly queer which makes chuds not follow him as much which is good.

[outer wave]

I dont think Ive seen a ton of 'pro imperium' content creators in a good while which is surprising

[mint magnet]

Like the only lore youtuber I urge people to stay away from is Arch

[outer wave]

Used to watch that guy like in 2016/17

Not anymore though for good reasons

[mint magnet]

Yeaaaaaaaah what fascism does to a mfer

[storm jungle]

Yeah Arch had an incredibly huge mask-off moment way back in the day lol

he literally deleted like 60% of his videos due to the incrimination

[outer wave]

"Gnoblars, or as I like to call them: House Ni--"

[storm jungle]

also just compared gnoblars- GOD

I LEGIT GOT NO IDEA

WHY HE PUT THAT IN A VIDEO

He even fucking laughs after it too

lmao

prick

[outer wave]

I will never understand why he thought that was a good joke, especially in hindsight

I get the house part of it, but why the latter part?

[mint magnet]

I never heard about that bit thats terrible

And why Gnoblars??? They are just Lil guys

[outer wave]

Yeah he had an Ogre Kingdoms video way back that had that joke, its been since taken down but you can still find it on twitter

[storm jungle]

Yeah its his most infamous moment that made people go "okay maybe people have a point"

[storm jungle]

Gnoblars are deformed forms of goblins + slaves to ogres so uhhh

you can see how his racist ass made that ""connection""

💀

[outer wave]

I guess greenskins are actually black now....

😔

[mint magnet]

I can only think of Gnoblars in context of this old video from WHFB where this dude had this gnoblar only army and they were fighting against a giant and he was just rolling full jars of d6's

That guy is my hero

[outer wave]

Never heard of that one, but that is funny

[outer wave]

I wish 40k lore expanded more on the species of ogryns

I wanna know what a Giganticus giganticus is like

Or a grey Ogryn

[crystal forum]

they wont because it's guard related

[outer wave]

LET ME HOPE AND COPE

[languid meadow]

went to go and see if I can get my glasses fixed

nope

and all the new frames don't match my very specific autistic specifications

[crystal forum]

holy shit just use duct tape like a real nerd

[astral burrow]

I have a lore question before dilara gets mad at me

Are the moebian 6th genuine heretics or are they simply under nurgles mind control?

[outer wave]

Genuine heretics

They've deliberately defected to Nurgle's side thanks to influence from the Admonition and their circumstances

[astral burrow]

How did nurgle end up taking over the entire planet lol

Are there even any normal civilians left in atoma?

[outer wave]

Probably in small pockets

Also this world hasnt been taken over entirely by Nurgle, otherwise it'd quickly become a daemon world

That said, the corruption runs very deep

[astral burrow]

So we are just fucking around in the corrupted part of it?

I wanna see the uncorrupted part and talk to citizens and stuff

[sacred ginkgo]

That’s not our job

[outer wave]

^

[astral burrow]

What does nurgle want with atoma tho?

[outer wave]

Great Game shinanigans

[astral burrow]

I am goated I will make it my job.

[sacred ginkgo]

We’re here to kill people and perform surgical operations

[outer wave]

General control, etc

[astral burrow]

Who is gonna stop me smh

Isn't nurgle a literal god

[languid meadow]

The guy with a combover

[astral burrow]

Why isn't he just destroying the planet instead of just... Infecting a bunch of homeless people

[astral burrow]

Good I have more reasons to kill his ass

Guy is so annoying

[outer wave]

Yes, but chaos gods cant exactly intervene directly with reality for very long, at most mere seconds

[astral burrow]

Go visit the barber ffs

[languid meadow]

Because warp gods can't really interact with the physical world all that much

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s not important enough to warrant much of his attention

[astral burrow]

Damn

[crystal forum]

because gods get power from believers

[outer wave]

He may also not have that much interest in Atoma as a whole, but is willing enough to allow his followers some assistance

[mint magnet]

Nurgle and rhe other chaos gods aren't conscious in a way we really understand. They do have their goals and ambitions but most of the actions on Atoma are the goals of the Moebian 6th and the Nurgle cults in Atoma.

[astral burrow]

Well what is he trying to accomplish while we are sweating our asses off killing his worshippers

[outer wave]

^ They're very eldtrich

[astral burrow]

Where is nurgle

[outer wave]

To Malys' comment

[languid meadow]

gooning

[crystal forum]

i hate this sort of answer

[astral burrow]

Amazing

Didn't know he was chill like that

[languid meadow]

He's sitting in his garden making plauges and shit

[outer wave]

Anything else lmao; there is the Indomintus Crusade happening during this period for example, so he has more of his attention towards the Deathguard

[sacred ginkgo]

Frolicking

[astral burrow]

Did anyone replace moebian 6th?

There should be a 6th regiment still

or is it just moebian 13 now

[languid meadow]

oh yeah and his fucking garden got burnt down and morty got his ass kicked by an empowered Gman recently as well

bro's hands are full

[sacred ginkgo]

The 6th as a regiment is probably never being reformed

Because who would want to be associated with them

[crystal forum]

they are cannon fodder for my chain sword

also heretics never repent because 40k

[sacred ginkgo]

Well I mean after they all die

They aren’t filling a replacement under the number 6

[outer wave]

No, I think the 53rd are trying to take up that spot, but aside from them Im not sure if any other regiment is trying something

[astral burrow]

6th is the blue uniforms right?

The penance rewardsm

?

Why tf is hestia giving us moebian 6th uniforms for getting shit done

[crystal forum]

because they're cheap

and we're worthless

[astral burrow]

The association is pretty bad

Black versions are moebian 13?

[languid meadow]

6th is the black version

iirc

[storm jungle]

Okay again like

[languid meadow]

I could be wrong I haven't looked

[storm jungle]

I dont want to get mad

[crystal forum]

get mad dilara

kill they/them

[storm jungle]

do you just not read the wikipages people have given you here in the last 2 weeks 💀

[outer wave]

GET MAD GET MAD GET MAD GET SO MAD IT DRIVES YOU MAD

[storm jungle]

Literally all of that is answered

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

AAAUGHG

[crystal forum]

they're worse than me

and that's saying something

[outer wave]

I personally dont mind answering these questions, but yeah man

[storm jungle]

Anyway im going back to studying.

[outer wave]

Have fun!

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

you study?

[astral burrow]

I ask shit in bed at night right before I go to sleep I am not gonna read an entire wiki page to get an answer to a stupid question that popped up in my head

[languid meadow]

Death to ratling hopers

[crystal forum]

what are you studying dilara

[storm jungle]

But like its not even an entire wikipage, its like 2 sentences.

[crystal forum]

is it civil engineering

[astral burrow]

To find those 2 sentences I gotta read a good chunk of it

[storm jungle]

Architecture Masters

Im prob gonna fail but it is what it is, can try again next year I guess

[crystal forum]

woah awesome

[storm jungle]

The issue is the same usually happens here, its never that simple

[outer wave]

Zamn, hope that goes well

[crystal forum]

big girl architect

[storm jungle]

"How did the 6th go traitor"

Like we cant just say "lol nurgle", theres an entire thing to this stuff

Anyway ill stop being a grognard

[languid meadow]

nard nard

[astral burrow]

Nah I ask a question people answer it I think it is neat and I go on with my day

[crystal forum]

thermonuclear bomb

[astral burrow]

Putting exterminatus on a sword is crazy

[languid meadow]

BL writers when it's time to fuck over the Eldar

[opaque coyote]

Read mf read

[astral burrow]

That's like writing "Nuclear bomb" on a gun

[astral burrow]

40k yaoi?

[crystal forum]

dont steal from my nuclear bomb gonk droids idea

[languid meadow]

Gaz ♥️ yarrick
Trazyn ♥️ Orikan

[mint magnet]

I mean that's valid but thats what the chaos gods are. They are the thirsting gods that wish to sew misery. They are meant to be strange and weird and unknowable. Their worshippers barely comprehend them. The demons are the closest thing we get to seeing the gods in a mortal frame work. The chaos gods are weird and fucked up and you really should not fuck with them

[storm jungle]

Nah. I'd win.

[astral burrow]

Do y'all fw the fit I am bored

[opaque coyote]

Truly, Slaanesh is their god.

Not through any type of corruption, but with how they keep getting relentlessly fucked over.

[mint magnet]

Horus fucked with them and got he ass whooped

[outer wave]

I dunno, for all the eldtrichiness that they give off, to us the fans and lore readers, they're just basically bored ass children playing a tabletop game

[astral burrow]

Why is there so much fucking in 40k

Smh

[storm jungle]

The problem is they are said to be this and in another novel they straight up got personalities and act like saturday morning cartoon villains. I'd say its not really worth getting too deep into them as entities, they are very characterful and just not eldritch at all imo.

But thats just me....

[languid meadow]

I'm still mad about the ynnari

[crystal forum]

the gods LITERALLY were helping him

get that lovecraft shit out of here

[languid meadow]

GW wrote themsevles into a corner and couldn't think a way out

[opaque coyote]

To be honest they are the exact opposite of Eldritch.

Because they embody concepts that are fully in our grasp.

Violence, pain, suffering, hopelessness, etc

[astral burrow]

The fact that this whole thing is happening and nurgle probably doesn't even give a shit, and my rejects entire life has led up to this moment and this is just his perpetual war now

[opaque coyote]

They embody how people also deal with these things

[astral burrow]

Very sad

[opaque coyote]

Poorly

To say the least

[storm jungle]

Malys eat his guts.

[astral burrow]

Can I just move em to another game

[opaque coyote]

They're terrifying because they're familiar

[astral burrow]

I am gonna make my rejects in rogue trader so they can enjoy some luxury

[storm jungle]

Welcome to 40k, its misery. Theres no peace.

[outer wave]

^

[mint magnet]

I mean I think that's the reality and it sucks

[opaque coyote]

Nurgle speaks to you every time you sit on the couch.

[astral burrow]

It is a gigantic galaxy there has to be peace somewhere

[outer wave]

Nurgle whispers louder each time I brap and shart

[astral burrow]

Bathing with my bodyguards in rogue trader felt quite peaceful

[opaque coyote]

True

But there's also no telling when it will suddenly get vaporized

[storm jungle]

It does yeah, but like im so sardonic with 40k that I dont care at this point, to me its just WWE/Comic book stuff while i do my own thing in my own homebrew corner admittedly 🙏

[astral burrow]

Meh peace is peace

[opaque coyote]

Because life is random

[storm jungle]

Peace?

There is no peace.

[opaque coyote]

Peace isn't a permanent state of affairs.

[astral burrow]

Who knows when earth will blow up

[outer wave]

Peace these nuts

[opaque coyote]

Even now there is still wars going on

[storm jungle]

We do know actually

[astral burrow]

Just enjoy life

[storm jungle]

but like, you know

its at least a million years

and we'll be dead by then lmfao

[astral burrow]

Maybe there is some monster or some random ass dude in the core planting bombs or smth

You never know

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats me.

I mean uh yeah true

[astral burrow]

Or an alien spaceship just comes in, blows us up, and leaves with no explanation or elaboration

You never know

[opaque coyote]

"ERHM askhually-"

It depends (tm).

But I guess the definitive method is it getting engulfed by the sun something one billion years later

There's no negotiation there

[mint magnet]

I also will say I am a 30k head mostly and the chaos gods are treated way more myterious in those stories. I am biased and will admit it

[astral burrow]

Nothing ever happens

[astral burrow]

10 year old me finding out earth will die in a gazillion years

Well at least we know earth will be kicking for the next 38000 years

[outer wave]

I find it hard to keep the chaos gods secretive, just because of how much shit there is on all 4 of them across 3-4 franchises within Warhammer

[astral burrow]

It is the same gods across franchises?

[outer wave]

You almost need to change them up in another setting but I dunno how or what

[outer wave]

AoS, Fantasy, and 40k all have the same 4 chaos gods

Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh

They may differ in power a bit, but otherwise basically the same roles

[crystal forum]

they really aren't as deep as fans want them to be and i also have a deep hatred of overcomplicated literary gods so i will crush these ideas every time they come up

[opaque coyote]

Personally I don't like how one dimensional they are on some level.

Because even if Khorne represents bloody violence, skull taking, etc.

There are different methods of violence and different reactions, along with differences in anger.

So I always thought that Khorne should have multiple aspects.

Same with the other gods

[sacred ginkgo]

Also the same daemons

[outer wave]

^

[opaque coyote]

As a representative of those different methods

[astral burrow]

Is nurgle related to vermintide 2

Cuz that shit nasty

[outer wave]

Yes

[sacred ginkgo]

Are you stupid

[astral burrow]

Why does fatshark love nurgle

[sacred ginkgo]

They are explicitly called nurgle worshipers

[mint magnet]

Kinda? They did more harm than good and it was kinda all in their plan to try to get to the emperor. Horus lost his mind and his legion fell hard. They helped but at what cost?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah.

Nurgle's fairly popular to make as a bad guy.

[astral burrow]

Is it just a good reason to make zombies?

[astral burrow]

Vermintide 2

[outer wave]

Yes

[astral burrow]

I don't play vermintide 2

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's fun to make rotten looking stuff

Zombies in general are fun to make

[astral burrow]

They are ugly as hell smh

When slaneesh tide game

[opaque coyote]

Because of the variation you can make on how fucked up they are

[outer wave]

True!

[crystal forum]

what cost? they fractured the emperium and caused the forever war the setting is in rn

[opaque coyote]

Has naked people

Won't happen

[crystal forum]

chaos fucking won

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

Chaos, true to its nature, is self contradictory

It's mostly winning but also somewhat losing

[mint magnet]

In regards to rhe legions. I dont think most of them besides the word bearers wanted that.

[crystal forum]

chaos doesn't care about winning it just wants the struggle to be forever

[opaque coyote]

They want to keep the game going on forever, but also "God dammit- Slaanesh just took another one of my warriors" -Khorne

[crystal forum]

then who's side are we talking about right now? horus or chaos

[storm jungle]

Anyone really

mass death for all imo

[crystal forum]

i was talking about chaos helping horus to achieve their goals

which they did

[opaque coyote]

Either way, the Chaos Gods are basically equivalent to four friends fucking around on a table top.

Drinking, having fun, trolling each other.

Too bad the game is literally an entire galaxy

[storm jungle]

Im gonna help you achieve your goals too jay

(it involves a dart gun)

[crystal forum]

please

i must be sedated

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

im going silly mode today

[storm jungle]

CHRIST

[crystal forum]

forgot my adhd meds

[opaque coyote]

I feel that pain

Tbf I'm still kinda unfocused even with meds

It's just that with meds I can actually focus on something I want/don't want to do

[mint magnet]

Horus specifically. I wanted to clarify my point of him being fucked over. He wanted usurp his dad and prevent the future of 40k from happening. Horus got tricked into doing the exactly what he didnt want.

[late osprey]

me when ppl troll with the magnus memelore

[crystal forum]

oh yeah horus is an idiot

[late osprey]

"duuude khorne is actually a good guy and is actually the god of heroes and bravery and stuff"

[mint magnet]

He is and I love him for it

[opaque coyote]

That's because he got stabbed with the poop knife (tm)

[late osprey]

"duuude nurgle is the god of NOT dying??"

[crystal forum]

he straight up believed everything he saw in a fever dream

[outer wave]

Imagine forgetting to take your meds, couldnt be me

I dont have ADHD meds for my ADHD

[opaque coyote]

Honestly on some level, I kinda wish that memelore was a thing.

Not in terms of like a "good side"

Just

[storm jungle]

Malys for any future interactions with jay he can get a bit cranky but when he does just smack him, hes gay, small and cant do much + doesnt usually means the stuff he says lol

Mostly mentioning it because theres people here sometimes who takes the stuff he says seriously when hes usually memeing.

[opaque coyote]

More facets of the concepts they embody

If that makes any sense

[late osprey]

i dont, its comically incongruent with literally everything else

[storm jungle]

I also wish we could summarily execute all memelore consumers

[mint magnet]

Naw dont worry I like to clarify myself because I have opinions and they will.be heard

[storm jungle]

but hey, life isnt fair

[storm jungle]

Just making sure homie! 🫡

[mint magnet]

Wrong or right they will be heard

[opaque coyote]

Although would the want for a rival/enemy be Slaaneshi or Khornate?

[crystal forum]

horus is the shitty rich business banker who goes on a shroom journey once and decides that he now understands the whole world while changing none of his habits

[late osprey]

there has never, ever, been a "decent" chaos marine and going "erm actually the gods are Morally Grey" is just fantastical

[outer wave]

😔 🔫

[opaque coyote]

Like the anime ass style "You're a good fight, I'm keeping you alive for an even greater one later"

[late osprey]

there's never, ever, been a decent chaos warrior from fantasy either

[opaque coyote]

Type of bullshit

[mint magnet]

Wait till I make my thoughts on plague marines known

[crystal forum]

you will fit right in here

welcome to the worst place on discord

[late osprey]

self-satisfaction is certainly a more slaanesh endeavor, at least by how that view would characterize Lucius the Eternal more than say

Kharn

[outer wave]

I wish Plague Marines had weirder diseases outside of "Get so fat your guts explode through your armor and you got elephant legs"

[late osprey]

old plague marine aesthetic was more creative

[opaque coyote]

Old fantasy at least had the lore for praying for things like good winds and disease resistance.

[crystal forum]

we're the same 15 people in this channel and we've been arguing about stuff for 4 years

[opaque coyote]

Obviously it would basically mean that they become even more fucked

But I find it interesting

[late osprey]

southern norscans who were just Living In A Society would do this, but it wouldn't really work

[outer wave]

I will say, I dont mind the gut mouths they got too much, but I'd like more to them overall

[astral burrow]

Why are there sometimes blue flames all over the enemies? Is that a veteran skill or smth

[outer wave]

Psyker

[late osprey]

In the grim darkness of the 21st century...

[astral burrow]

Inferno staff?

It gets very annoying so bright

[mint magnet]

I will say that the Plague Marines can go crazy mode with drip

The new champion of nurgle guy is wild with how cool he looks

[late osprey]

i like that nurgle daemon prince thats like

a surface-covering Gravemind

[opaque coyote]

In general I always just thought of shit like

Khornate rituals/blood sorcery (it's okay because blood) that force a duel between two people. No one else can interfere. If they do, they get smited. Only one can survive.

A twisted sort of ""honor"" if that makes sense.

[late osprey]

like some SCP Day Breaks shit

[late osprey]

honor just isn't really khorne's thing, it's the sort of thing that cultists might tell each other as copium

[outer wave]

Can be, or certain talents

[late osprey]

see: the "honor" thing literally ONLY comes up from a cultist's insane schizoramblings

in a 20 year old book

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I am aware.

But I thought of rituals being based off of that Copium being interesting

[late osprey]

it just comes from nowhere is really the problem

[opaque coyote]

Because humanity loves rationalizing chaos

[late osprey]

its meant to be in-universe cope

[opaque coyote]

Even if it's Chaos

[late osprey]

the other reason i dont like to entertain it is because memelorers, as usual, naturally take such things too far

so much as unironically believing Berzerkers don't attack unarmed opponents or some stupid crap

[opaque coyote]

Which is why I don't hate the idea, because inevitably there's gonna be a bunch of people coping heavily and will make shit up.

And due to the nature of the warp, it'll become a thing.

Which is why I can imagine "Honor Duel Rituals" being a thing

[late osprey]

the chaos gods aren't tulpas, just because cultists LARP like khorne is pro-honor doesn't mean that's ever going to manifest

[outer wave]

My headcanon is that Khorne can represent honor, but its his twisted chaotic sense of honor: ie you killed all the good, honorable fighters, now you can move onto the children and women

[late osprey]

if khorne represents honor in ANY way, its the classic pre-chivalric sense of honor

[outer wave]

But if you kill the women and children first, you're dumb and bad

[late osprey]

which is just killing anyone who insults you or doubts you

[opaque coyote]

I mean they kinda are, but they're so gigantic that they can't really be affected anymore

[languid meadow]

never thought I'd see tulpas mentioned in the darktide server

[late osprey]

KHORNE DOES NOT CARE FROM WHERE THE BLOOD FLOWS

[outer wave]

Ngl thats a funny thought

[late osprey]

its not just a funny thought, it was the rule of many martial societies

[outer wave]

No, only if you do it first, otherwise he doesnt care

[opaque coyote]

Khorne looking at somebody's nose bleeding:

[late osprey]

khorne quite literally does not care, kill everyone

in fact having some weird rule about it is probably more offensive than not

[opaque coyote]

Yeah always thought that would be the case.

"Kill any doubters"

"You are your own temple"

Although that would also be more Slaaneshi

[late osprey]

when a khorne berzerker is "honorable", it's how vikings would call him honorable, which is synonymous in the modern era with just being a Badass Motherfucker

[outer wave]

I honestly would prefer to seeing World Eaters or any Khornate follower having their own rules of conduct than the somewhat generic berserker rage thing they got going

Of course, those rules being weird, loose, and dumb

[late osprey]

khornate followers can do whatever they want, chaos marines are a myriad

[outer wave]

Or just straight up inflexible

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that I don't really like also.

Khorne Berserkers will just kill you.

[late osprey]

and part of the fun is them having radically different doctrines

but about the gods themselves, there's a reason khorne's favorite guy is Kharn the Betrayer

and Angron

[opaque coyote]

But I can imagine some Khornate people COPING VERY HARD and having a sense of pre-chivalry honor

Or even just

"Kill people who can fight first, kill people who can't fight second"

[late osprey]

to quantify: chivalric honor is the sort of modern-day conception where you fight someone honestly, you don't attack unarmed or noncombatants, etc etc

classical honor is just Become Ungovernable

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, basically pre-chivalry is just

"Doubter? Not anymore"

[late osprey]

the latter being more Khornate than anything

popular among the Vikings and the Samurai

(of the sengoku period)

[opaque coyote]

You think Khorne would be into those weird sigma male type bullshit?

Or would that be more Slaanesh

[paper haven]

Character depth? In my 12th Legion?
More likely than you might think.

[opaque coyote]

"BECOME UNGOVERNORABLE. TOO STRONG TO HOLD BACK."

"BECOME SIGMA!!"

Actually by definition that would probably be more Slaanesh

[late osprey]

Andrew Tate being a Khorne Demagogue is not entirely outside the realm of possibilities

[outer wave]

World Eaters become the first legion to employ the Manosphere propaganda to their peers

[opaque coyote]

I also thought of the Chaos Gods having myths that are said to be backstories

But not actually backstories

If that makes any sense

Like some people make up a creation myth but it's not necessarily true

[late osprey]

the chaos gods have a mythology that is not so dissimilar to IRL mythologies where they're seldom a linear retelling of events

[paper haven]

I'm pretty sure that Andrew Tate would run away from an open battlefield.

[late osprey]

but more trying to make sense of things or otherwise impart certain essential lessons

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine some scattered stories though.

[late osprey]

for example there's the fact that, in the Chaos Mythology, Tzeentch was once essentially king of the gods

but the other gods teamed up and shattered him into a million pieces

so his Blue Scribes are sent to scour the multiverse to reunite the pieces, which are also synonymously different spells

[opaque coyote]

Slaaneshi myth: "And so she finally built her wonderful, perfect human string lyre with grace, wit, and beauty..."

Khorne Myth: "KILL THE WEAK. KILL THE STRONG. RIP THEIR SKULLS OUT-"

[crystal forum]

the fact that young people glorify killers is the first problem for me right there

[late osprey]

skarbrand's banishment is, essentially, a type of Khornate Fable

[outer wave]

Ive heard a different ending to that: Tzeentch, realizing he was going to get teamed up on, tells the other gods that he's willing to break his staff into a million pieces so that he can make this more fair. They agree and he does so, but has the Blue Scribes trying to find the pieces

[opaque coyote]

It's fascinating to think

Was the fable before the event or the event before the fable?

[late osprey]

i think they forcibly smash it, but its been a while since i checked

[paper haven]

Murder is Checks notes .... Bad.

[opaque coyote]

It doesn't matter regardless

[late osprey]

regardless the details, like in most fables, are less important so much as the main beats

[crystal forum]

some influencers literally only have it as their personality that they went to prison like that's a good thing

[opaque coyote]

Similar to the Emperor I can imagine many variations in how Khorne is depicted

[late osprey]

chaos marines killing each other over not worshipping the Gods properly is a seldom-explored staple

[sacred bluff]

I hear krieg fans are the best

[late osprey]

especially the Word Bearers

[opaque coyote]

I have thought about a depiction/myth of Khorne where he was a soldier of a unspecified race and culture gone mad with bloodthirst.

[late osprey]

but i imagine most, if not all, cult warbands are similarly fanatic about trivial doctrine

[crystal forum]

the community hates krieg way too much let's be fair

[opaque coyote]

In general I imagine the Chaos Gods have multiple forms

The ones we see are just the most often chosen

[paper haven]

I get conflicting answers on exactly how devout the Black Legion is

[late osprey]

krieg fans are like the brahmins of the 40k fandom, is the dour truth of it all

[opaque coyote]

Except Tzeentch who can't even sit still long enough to paint a picture

[late osprey]

they're the most sophisticated enjoyers of the setting, the rest of us are pretty idiotic by contrast tbh

[crystal forum]

that's because the black legion has no cohesion at all

[opaque coyote]

Actually is Tzeentch just ADHD personified

[outer wave]

I think the general obnoxious fans have died out, while the hate still lingers

[late osprey]

because "Black Legion" is zoomed way too far out

its more about the specific warbands within the Black Legion

[paper haven]

What Warband is Abbadon in charge of?

[late osprey]

when they're brought together for a Crusade, it's not because they suddenly all started agreeing on religion, its because Abbadon's political acumen keeps them together

[opaque coyote]

Always changes his mind, unfocused, has several unfinished plans.

Messy as fuck.

[crystal forum]

now that they're becoming more mainstream it's better yeah

[opaque coyote]

...

[late osprey]

i think its something generic like Abbadon's Top Guys or something

[crystal forum]

meanwhile black templars are still racist

[late osprey]

there was a specific formation in the old editions around it

[opaque coyote]

Actually maybe Tzeentch is literally the God of ADHD

Mmm yes no maybe

Either way just as planned

[paper haven]

Racism? Amongst the bad guys in 40K?

[vagrant fox]

black templar players are champions of virtue and not being racist trust me

[opaque coyote]

Nah trust they're the good guys.

You see that's because they kill people that are diffe-

[paper haven]

Ask them what defines a mutant

[crystal forum]

no i'm talking out of universe

the fans are racist as fuck

[paper haven]

Life imitates art

[crystal forum]

yet would all be the first people to be gassed during the third reich so there's some irony there

[opaque coyote]

Nearly every World Eater player I've seen is yolked

Fitting

[crystal forum]

god of gains

[paper haven]

Really? I've seen a bunch of World Eater players that look really skinny

[opaque coyote]

I still remember that one copy pasta.

I know it is fake

But I still find it funny

[crystal forum]

the guy who does push ups mid battle

[opaque coyote]

Yes

And his excuse being

"The nails are biting"

[paper haven]

Fair

[vagrant fox]

The World Eaters discord sometimes has weird mask off moments, I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out as shitty as black templar stereotypes

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's just

40k

At times

[vagrant fox]

so it is

[paper haven]

Some pretty broad strokes there

[vagrant fox]

but man Black Templars look cool

[opaque coyote]

I was attracted to the Dark Angels

Read their lore

[rose thorn]

To be fair they are like the most BT style community in chaos

[opaque coyote]

I wasn't attracted to the Dark Angels anymore

[late osprey]

ok so i did some more digging

Abaddon's Top Guys are actually four different warbands that are each cult warbands

[paper haven]

Not the Word Bearers?

[late osprey]

and he also has his own Bringers of Despair

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bringers_of_Despair

[rose thorn]

No they are all femboys or Australian

[paper haven]

I see

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the Word Bearers have Lorgar as their representative

So

[rose thorn]

Word bearer fans are very chill

[opaque coyote]

[rose thorn]

Probably because Reddit’s reaction to WBs is

“EWWWWWW LORGAR?????”

[opaque coyote]

"Hey Dad, look. I built a city for you!"

"Great job. Burn it down."

"what?"

"it's terrible."

"B-but dad..."

"No buts. Guilliman. Be a dear and burn it down for me."

[rose thorn]

The legion built off of a trauma from a foreign power murdering them because they had a different religion isn’t alt right pilled

[late osprey]

exactly

[paper haven]

ANd Guilliman didn't expect the Word Bearers to hold a grudge

[late osprey]

To be fair, you have to have a very high I.Q. to appreciate the Word Bearers.

[rose thorn]

They are the best written legion

[opaque coyote]

I like Thousand Sons.

Sandpilled and empty.

[rose thorn]

You are depressed poet and laughing insane madman

[late osprey]

they're definitely my favorite legion

i like that they do Chaos Empire-building

[opaque coyote]

Also Egyptian drip

[late osprey]

its pretty cool

[opaque coyote]

And blue

I like blue

Also magic

[paper haven]

World Eaters remain my favorite traitor legion. Second to the Dark Angels

[late osprey]

Chaos Hive?

[rose thorn]

“I AM GONNA FUCKING MURDER YOU ALL AAAHAHA I WILL MAKE YOUR WORLD INTO ASH IN THE NAME OF THE GODS” and “all we crave is inner peace accepting our gods”

[late osprey]

Chaos Hive

[rose thorn]

They ahve the best and worst treatment of cultists

[opaque coyote]

"All we crave is inner peace... BY MAKING YOU SUFFER."

[paper haven]

Inner peace, outer warfare.

[opaque coyote]

To be honest the Word Bearers are definitely up there in terms of "I like"

[vagrant fox]

World Eaters #1 strongest and coolest legion of all time

[late osprey]

they're a cool reflection of the Imperium

[rose thorn]

Like 1/3rd of their inner council are mortals

[opaque coyote]

They're just not my favorites

[rose thorn]

They hold religious leaders very highly, even above many space marines

[opaque coyote]

I love how a part of their lore actually makes them sound nice.

Until the Chaos Worshipping kicks in and you're like

"Oh... Ohhhh"

"oh"

[rose thorn]

Yeah, many of the lowest level cultists are living in literal hell

Their slaves are given bibles and forced to build endless temples

Until they die or they mentally snap or get demon possessed

[late osprey]

i just like the whole pretension of theocracy they've got going on

but when the chips are down they're still chaos marines

betraying each other and eating each other alive or whatever

[opaque coyote]

I also like Argel Taul and Raum.

A man and his daemon pal is something that I weirdly like

Mainly because it's a weirdly nice change of oace

[late osprey]

gal vorbak are cool

[opaque coyote]

Felt sad when Erebus killed both of them off basically

[rose thorn]

To be fair their theocracy isn’t random, It’s actually organized and they do have rules

It’s a literal government

[late osprey]

yeah but i more mean that warbands are still killing each other over matters of doctrine or resources and such

[rose thorn]

Yeahhh

[late osprey]

legion ties are only marginally stronger among them than others

[opaque coyote]

It felt weird having a Daemon actually be concerned over their host.

Even if it was likely for self preservation

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha daemon possession is the best way or raise in the ranks of WB

[opaque coyote]

Hey at least you aren't a slave anymore.

And all it costs is eternal torment of your immortal soul

[late osprey]

well the Daemon Buddy thing isnt very common at all, if it ever happens anymore

its more just the daemon choosing you to be the host in the modern 40k

Gal Vorbak and their derivatives are highly irregular

[rose thorn]

I think they actively try to do it in wb

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. Most daemons just want to take you over.

I guess that's why when they don't do that, it's a really nice change of pace.

Kinda want to do that for a Slaaneshi OC I will eventually make around the next century or so

[late osprey]

they do actively do possessions but the extent that it's to create more Gal Vorbak/Vakrah Jal is seemingly onexistent

nonexistent

that is to say, if it does happen in the modern era, it would be mostly for fun special cases like Laati's plan

but their Possessed squads are nothing like that

[opaque coyote]

Generally agree with the theory that they were given as like

Samples

Like "Hey have some not bad daemons as a taster for what Chaos can give you"

[late osprey]

they did end up making more during the HH but afterwards they dont seem to have been regularly made anymore

[opaque coyote]

It's like how a cult doesn't seem that bad at first.

Until they decide to start the brainwashing

[late osprey]

its much more common to just have a possessed monster that has no more humanity at all

"Many Marines have allowed themselves to be possessed to show their devotion to their Chaos God or to gain the unearthly power that only daemonic possession can bring. The majority of the time, a possessed retains control over his actions, the daemon never permanently displacing the mortal mind of the Marine. It is only during times of bloodshed and battle that the daemon comes to dominate the pairing, assuming complete control over the shared body. The Marine, already a savage warrior, becomes an utterly relentless and bestial destroyer. His body no longer feels pain. The daemon given free reign, mutates the Marine's human form further into daemonic and inhuman shapes"

[opaque coyote]

Although I can't help but wonder

Why is it common for marine armor to fuse to your skin

Like is it just chaos trolling them

Cause it sounds inconvenient at best

"Wow gee thanks now I can't take it off to do anything."

[late osprey]

i dont recall that being a staple for chaos marines

[opaque coyote]

"I'M NOT EVEN A FUCKING NURGLE WORSHIPPER. I WORSHIP KHORNE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T HAVE A SHOWER!"

[late osprey]

i do know that from fantasy, but not chaos marines

[vagrant fox]

It's just a thing chaos energy does at times innit

[late osprey]

sure, it can happen, like any other mutation

but i dont recall it being a common staple

in fact its probably rarer among chaos marines because they're known to be scavengers more often than not

swapping out parts of their armor as they need it

[vagrant fox]

I don't think it happens to anyone but chaos followers

I recall an upgrade in Black Crusade that lets you directly fuse your armour to your body or somsuch

[sour hornet]

Who gives a shit about their immortal soul?

Not literally any CSM

Doesn't the very act of pledging yourself to the ruinous powers damn your soul to eternal torment?

[dapper gyro]

Nah, they did that to damn other people.

Almost all of them enjoy the mutation and power granted by Chaos gods. It is good times, not torment for them.

[crystal forum]

it does fuck over your soul but who tf knows what that really means

there's no actual hell in 40k

[vagrant fox]

the warp is close enough

[crystal forum]

you get eaten and your soul dies or smth

[vagrant fox]

Some shithead daemon nibbles on your asscheek but it somehow sucks for eternity

[crystal forum]

never explained

[vagrant fox]

it's fine i don't want it explained

[crystal forum]

i want your life explained by morgan freeman

[vagrant fox]

It'd be a greek tragedy

The chaos gods are weird and contradictory, completely eldritch beings that are way to weird to even notice you but simultaneously they're cartoon villains

I think that's just neat

[nocturne crest]

Which 40k faction could anyone see playing their own version of Bloodbowl?

[storm jungle]

Definitely orks

anyone else is uh lol

[vagrant fox]

Orks, deldar if it's evil enough

[crystal forum]

youtube is literally only recommending me star wars stuff now

after searching for the han solo greedo thing

https://youtu.be/1fG-yVS2p64?si=cse2hEJTbi1y6Jih

somebody in the comments pointed out that he has a romanian accent and he steals lightsabers

[dusky beacon]

wait do cigarettes still exist in 40k

[queen laurel]

yes

[opaque coyote]

What would even be the benefit of fusing your armor to yourself anyways

[queen laurel]

Lho-stick

[opaque coyote]

Lho sticks (tm)

[dusky beacon]

ah i was wondering if they would still be called cigarettes

[opaque coyote]

Generally some normal things in 40k still exist. Just had weird names because

Sci fi

I think alcoholic drinks are called Amasec or something

[dusky beacon]

it always fucks me up a little bit to remember that most planets still use just normal ass internal combustion engine automobiles

something about the modern car just seems wrong for sci-fi lmao

[opaque coyote]

Gotta be a floating car or something

Tbh a neat detail 40k has is generally just having archaic designs in a new coat of paint

Specifically for the Imperium

Most of the tanks? WW1/WW2 era designs with a futuristic gloss

[dusky beacon]

yeah the Leman Russ is just a ww1 rhombus tank with a way too big a gun on top

[opaque coyote]

In lore, they're probably much more advanced than an actual WW2 tank

But it also shows how backwards the Imperium is.

I think only one other dystopian media I know does this and it's Cruelty Squad. Where the guns are mostly based off of real prototype and experimental weapons

[dusky beacon]

im a big fan of settings using old and obscure firearms as the basis for futuristic weapons

like Star Wars

[opaque coyote]

Revolver rifles are back in style babyeeee

[dusky beacon]

i love burning the shit out of my forearms

i think the reason i dont jive with the design of a lot of 40k guns is that a lot of them really dont look like they were based on anything real

for all its iconic-ness the Bolter is just a brick with just enough parts sticking out of it to make it resemble a firearm drawn by a 7 year old

also speaking of 40k guns, what is the closest thing to a modern day compact service pistol in 40k that we know of?

[simple helm]

needle pistol?

[dapper gyro]

Many of the stuff fall under the stud pistol or autopistol umbrella.

You can come up with whatever, most authors did and do the same.

[arctic talon]

THE FLESH IS WEAK

[arctic talon]

Laspistol, stubpistol, autopistol

[sacred ginkgo]

If it’s basic ass cadian style regiment guard it’s probably a laspistol

[dusky beacon]

i was thinking more of Planetary Enforcer detective

[sacred ginkgo]

Same answers

A laspistol or some tiny solid slug weapon

[astral burrow]

Is there anything like an smg

[celest dome]

Autopistols cover them.
Otherwise there is also the Admech Stub carbine

[dapper gyro]

Autopistol is the same root name as machinepistol, the term used for SMG in many languages. So again, another umbrella term.

Short autogun are sometimes likely SMG by design criteria.

[astral burrow]

Is moebian 21st also traitors?

Gamelantern has them as the horde but I don't remember seeing em

[raven stone]

They were an initially loyal regiment that got poisoned by tainted stimms into going traitor.

Chaos is…yea, it can spread through any vectors.

[sacred ginkgo]

They were the people Rannick conscripted before the conflict broke out in earnest

And as such they were introduced to the walking pox unwillingly via exposure to stims

[dapper gyro]

More than half of them are traitor, hence why the 53rd came around to pick up the slack.

Nevertheless, they are in desperate of man power, so whoever loyal in the 21st is kept to fight and die.

[celest dome]

They are chaos but involuntary

[sour hornet]

Doctrinally? A laspistol (eg. Kantrael).
Functionally? A stubpistol.

[sour hornet]

There's literally fucking ATVs on Hab Dreyko

Literally just modern 21st century ATVs

Funniest shit ever

[hexed orchid]

Compared to the WW1 & 2 style tanks the imperium uses, those seem sensible in comparison

[dapper gyro]

21st century? You never know their hay days during the 20th century military issue ones then.

[rocky gale]

[astral burrow]

What was it before?

Wtf do u need a 20 people space marine squad for

[rocky gale]

10-15

Now it's 10-20

[astral burrow]

That's a lot of men

If only Titus had this many

[rocky gale]

and being Battleline means you can have 6 squads of them

[queen laurel]

they're just bufffing them willy nilly

why 20

[rocky gale]

So 120 Wolves rapidly approaching your location with Advance and Charge

[astral burrow]

What kinda threat calls for 120 space marines

Are yall fighting the warp itself or smth

[queen laurel]

a Daemon

[astral burrow]

Just one?

[queen laurel]

a greater daemon

[hexed orchid]

Deploys entire chapter

[astral burrow]

Yeah isn't 120 the entire chapter?

[hexed orchid]

No

[queen laurel]

The standard is 1000 marines but everyone ignores that rule

[hexed orchid]

Chapters are 1000 if codex compliant

[queen laurel]

except a few that are hard codex wankers

[paper haven]

Blood claw rush army build

[hexed orchid]

Which is comically small when you realise what is expected of them lol

[paper haven]

Strategy? No, we're gonna jump em

[raven stone]

Apparently Wolves are still thinking like a Legion…

In the Horus Heresy era 20 Tactical Marines blobs are somewhat standard.
It’s why Crusade era Imperium is pretty much stupid OP

[hexed orchid]

No, no. They have Great Companies, definitely nothing like a legion

[astral burrow]

They are awesome so it is okay

[paper haven]

Aren't Great Companies specific to the legions?

[burnt maple]

Indeed.

[dapper gyro]

120 marines is a company generally, which usually sent to deal with some plantary issue.

[burnt maple]

Space Wolves have great companies, each about a chapter strong.

[remote widget]

What people wanted eradicators squads to have equipped?

[plush mason]

bloodclaws are basically recuits

they dont have the full set of augments

unless that got changed a bloodclaw is basically in-between a full battle brother and a scout

and they operate in larger squads that get whittled down by the fighting before they get elevated

[dapper gyro]

Black carapace is the last thing they get, which is also the thing the need to wear power armour...

Barring the primaris seeds

[plush mason]

afaik not for them

they get it earlier

but it is still like one of the last ones yeah

space wolves are weird and basically dont do anything a normal chapter does

again unless it was changed

according to lexicanum its still canon

but they are full space marines

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Claw

but also neophytes?

again they are weird

ah this is why

i guess for the wolves you are still a neophyte till you get out of the blood claws

[dapper gyro]

Take centuries to move on from Blood Claws? If a Marine takes that long, there is something wrong.

[storm jungle]

GW dont know their numbers.

[dapper gyro]

Then you have motherfucker like Titus became cpt in 200 years...

[queen laurel]

1000 marines rules in the codex

[plush mason]

seems some never really move on and become the sky claws and swift claws

[astral burrow]

Does space book say this bad?

[plush mason]

the spaces wolves say space book bad

use it for toilet paper and kindling

[astral burrow]

They disregard codex astartes?

My goats

[plush mason]

perks of being a first founding

that and beating 3 seperate invasions by the imperium

[raven stone]

Only first foundings (or second if you count the split offs immediately post Heresy) get away with ignoring Codex.
Anyone else gets the Astral Claws/Red Corsairs treatment.

[plush mason]

yup

[raven stone]

Well, Inquisition backing can get you the smallest of leeway, but not by a huge margin.
Looks at the Exorcists, who largely follow Codex except extra scout companies due to demonic possession.

[vagrant fox]

Black Templars don't care for it either, but 2nd founding surely gets some leeway as well

[raven stone]

Ye edited comment to count the seconds.

[plush mason]

the black templars mainly exploit a loophole afaik

the codex allows more than 1k marines for a chapter on a crusade

and thus they have been on one for 10k years

[paper haven]

I love the ridiculous numbers that come out of GW

[plush mason]

GW does not know numbers

[paper haven]

It takes 200 years to make a full-fledged space mairne

[plush mason]

its a well established fact

[paper haven]

What are their casualty rates again?

[dapper gyro]

Meanwhile, some other chapter completely disregard the codex combat doctrine despite "techincally" following it.

[vagrant fox]

Nah that's just long established fanon, the Black Templars just don't follow the codex at all

[plush mason]

its like any scripture, anyone can fudge the meaning to suit their ends

[plush mason]

based and better than the eternal crusade

[dapper gyro]

Most of the RG are "we are totally following the codex! No bully"...

Though everyone know that they don't.

[vagrant fox]

The Eternal Crusade is cool and chadpilled

[paper haven]

Makes me want to boot up Eternal Crusade and play a- oh.

[vagrant fox]

It's probably just Ultramarines and their boys who 100% stick to the codex, plus those weirdass Fist successors who think they're better

[plush mason]

im not saying it isnt, but saying "fuck the codex" flat out is better

[plush mason]

sadly Ultramarine successors make up like 70% of the loyalists

[paper haven]

Isn't guilliman on the way to changine the codex?

[dapper gyro]

It is already done.

[plush mason]

combination of them being one of the biggest legions at the end of heresy plus having one of the most stable geneseeds and frankly just needed more successors due to the side of the territory they control

[raven stone]

And also not being secret as fuck Dark Angels

[dapper gyro]

The lore reason is that he wanted a more peaceful integration of primaris.

[raven stone]

Imperial Fist should have more successors though

For sure

[dapper gyro]

Nah, IF is only the second most, behind a big gap compare to Ultramarines.

[plush mason]

yeah

[dapper gyro]

IF was already more difficult to work with during the crusade era, so no one really wants to house them.

A reason they have a higher number of fleet monasteries.

[plush mason]

are the IF a fleet chapter?

[dapper gyro]

Ok yes, they technically has 2, Terra and Phalanx.

Terra only because they get the task to be the throne janitor.

[plush mason]

what happened to their original homeworld?

[vagrant fox]

Inwit is still around, just chilling. They recruit from there sometimes

[dapper gyro]

Phalanx is the biggest ship of the Imperium.

[plush mason]

i guess if you have to pick between Inwit and Terra for your home base the choice is kinda easy

[plush mason]

ship does it a disservice imo, its a mobile space fortress

[dapper gyro]

I'm not sure about this one though, but Inwit is less important for them than Necronmunda.

[dapper gyro]

Fair enough

[vagrant fox]

The Feast of Blades is held on Inwit if memory serves, it's still pretty important

But their homebase is the Phalanx which usually hangs over Terra, they're up to all sorts of no good

[plush mason]

ngl i can imagine the chapter master just walking past the weapons controls and contemplating firing on the imperial senate at times

[vagrant fox]

Yeah the custodes are pretty paranoid about it so they're ready for the eventuality

[plush mason]

yeah iirc the HH left them very very mistrustful of all space marines

and with good reason

[paper haven]

Too bad they let Dark Eldar into the throne room, eh?

[vagrant fox]

It's pretty funny, I'm 99% sure they have spies aboard but I can't really find it. I recall the Fists being aware and consider it a test of loyalty

[plush mason]

hypocrisy is the life blood of the imperium after all

[paper haven]

Kind of undermines the whole "Impenetrable security" bit if you open the front fucking door

[vagrant fox]

The Imperium eternally contradictory and full of hypocrisy from top to bottom, you gotta love it

[paper haven]

Although, being a serf for the custodes might be pretty sweet

They've gotta get some pretty cool jobs

[vagrant fox]

You get to polish a sabaton for about thirty hours to absolute perfection

It's not the worst job, as Imperium goes

I don't know why, but this is just very amusing to me

They know we know, we know they know, and so the farce goes on

[paper haven]

Alpharius would be loving this

[dapper gyro]

IF successors are also quite shattered in mind set compare to other legions'.

[paper haven]

Writing is hard, ok?

[dapper gyro]

So despite their gene seed is about as pure as the UM and having the strongest will power (Fabius tried to corrupt and mutate the IF individuals, but they always fight against him even in their corrupted state), they don't get the same treatment.

[plush mason]

trust me i know, its still funny

[paper haven]

I believe that the Imperial Fists should be what the Ultramarines are.

Poster boys of the Imperium

[dapper gyro]

Both the most "fuck the codex" and "codex to the word" chapters are IF...

[dapper gyro]

That's the CRIMSON fists.

[plush mason]

wherent the crimson fists kinda a proto poster boy for the space marines for a time?

[paper haven]

Yeah but I mean the Imperial Fists.

Both Chapter and Legion

[plush mason]

eh the yellow holds them back imo

[dapper gyro]

They are the chillest marines, more than Sally and not stupid like Lamenters.

[paper haven]

They do all the things that Space Marines were made to do the best. Defend the Imperium.

[dapper gyro]

IF is my 2nd most liked, after RG.

[paper haven]

Ultramarines are more generalized and I think that waters down their appeal a bit

[plush mason]

well technically the space marines where made to conquer for the imperium, defending it is a role they where forced into by the HH

[dapper gyro]

So many of the IFs don't give a fuck about civilians.

[paper haven]

Get it? Ultramatine, water?
That one's free.

[plush mason]

thats true for most space marines

[dapper gyro]

Like, BT and CF are the two 1st to fuck off from the legion because they dislike working with each other.

Like said above, IF has shattered mindsets.

[dapper gyro]

Let's say, to a higher degree than average.

[paper haven]

Naturally, my favorite loyalist legion is the Alpha Legion White Scars

[dapper gyro]

My head canon is that Marines Malevolent is IF successor.

[vagrant fox]

It fits reasonably well, they're pretty dour

My boy in with the fists deserve better treatment, the current chapter master has nothing going for him

[raven stone]

I mean they are both independent thinkers and have a mix of loyalist and traitors in their legions, so it clicks.
Yes those two are my favs as well.

[paper haven]

My sympathies

[arctic talon]

Crimson fists are not chill lmfao, they killed a ton of people for the inqusition

Which is based

Crimson fists have a lot of close ties to the inqusition still

They def are up to some sus shit

[dapper gyro]

Who among the IF is not sus?

[arctic talon]

Uh

Hammers of Dorn?

They’re just assholes

[dapper gyro]

...

[arctic talon]

And really codex compliant

Idfk

For first founding sucessors

Literally all of them are a bit fucky

[dapper gyro]

More than the UM and its successors.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dapper gyro]

All IFs are up to something, and they can't even get along each other.

[plush mason]

btw, the idea of hyper intelligent custodians pretending to be ogryn is really funny to me

[mint magnet]

Ultramarines definitely suffer from flanderization and being poster boys but they are way more interesting than people give em credit for. I really like their depictions during the Heresy, especially Know No Fear, and how they were characterized during the first tyrannic war

[dapper gyro]

100%

[paper haven]

I'm not suggesting they aren't interesting or anything like that, just that the Imperial Fists fit the role of being the poster boys better.

[mint magnet]

Ya know

I can agree with that

[paper haven]

I'd think the Ultramarines fit really well when mixed with human soldiers.

[plush mason]

imo its just the paint job

[mint magnet]

I love em but they are bricks of men both physically and mentally

[humble shoal]

Nah fists too freaky to be poster boys

Tramp stamps and shiet

[paper haven]

They're politicians at heart.

[plush mason]

that got hard retconned by GW themselves

[humble shoal]

Shhh