40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

ok done

[opaque coyote]

The Old Ones are weird

[late osprey]

they're Ladeez, not just Ladz

[dapper gyro]

To be fair, it is a way for them to exercise their right and ritual.

[opaque coyote]

"OI Congratz on Bonecrusha Grogdrinka on the train station! Be surez to respect her!"

[lament shoal]

Could two handed force swords be a thing?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[lament shoal]

Cool, ty

[opaque coyote]

I think they actually are

Lemme check the wiki

[storm jungle]

Everything and any kind of melee weapon can be a power-weapon

its literally just putting 2-3 powernode lines on the striking end of it

[opaque coyote]

Nvm I'm too lazy just go with this

[lament shoal]

Force swords count as power weapons too?

[storm jungle]

Whoops misread, but same rules apply here

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[queen laurel]

In their case it's just applying

Psychic power on the weapons hurt points

[storm jungle]

force-weapons are also just any melee weapon just applied with psychic-multiplying tech and making it hit harder

for force-weapons its like uhhh

that little generator-box-thingy at the bottom of the "hilt" usually

[lament shoal]

Thx for the info guys

[queen laurel]

By the way every type of weapon can be a force weapon or power weapon

As already stated

It doesn't matter

[lament shoal]

Was asking for a homebrew successor I've been working on for a while

[celest dome]

Ye there are rules for Force weapons that give the possibility of any normal melee weapon to be made with the Force system

[queen laurel]

Make it a chainsaw a god damn flail

[celest dome]

Force Chain Sword ? I'm not sure if the rule apply like that in OW

[queen laurel]

If they add psychic inhibitors to the weapon it can definitely work

This is warhammer after all

[lament shoal]

A psychic eviscerator sounds dope ngl

[queen laurel]

Just make some hubble glue whatever the fudge

Contraption that you strap into the machine allowing it to be coated in psych power

[late osprey]

Force Nunchucks

[celest dome]

I could see GW saying that due to the moving part that it doesn't (though Force Flails do exist under current rules)

[queen laurel]

If they can find a way to power weapon a giant chainsaw

Why not applying psychic power to a giant chainsaw

[dapper gyro]

It usually boil down to how much weight you want to carry.

[opaque coyote]

Had anybody tried combine Force and Power together?

Force Power sword

[opaque coyote]

Technically the Eviscerator is a Power Chain sword.

Problem is that the field is weak.

I assume because it's usually given to Repentia who are literally looking to die

Are you really gonna give cannonfodder valuable equipment?

I guess the reason why Psyker power specifically isn't applied to chain swords is uh

Uhhh

Because fuck you

You're not allowed to have fun

[arctic talon]

Redundant

[celest dome]

Cause it doesn't really need a powerful one

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I mean the power part kinda ruins the point of the chainsword

[celest dome]

How so

The (weak) power field help the teeth saw through the material

[opaque coyote]

I mean the chainsword slowly slices through the enemies like a chainsaw

With the power part, you kinda just slice through them like butter.

Anything that can withstand that, a chainsword isn't gonna do any good anyways.

Talking about a theoretical like "fully" powered chainsword btw

Instead of the weak field of the Eviscerator

The cruelty is part of the point

You don't just want to slice through the heretic easily

You want to slowly saw through them while they scream in pain

Because the Imperium isn't exactly the nicest empire

[opaque coyote]

I mean isn't technomancy a thing

[arctic talon]

its literally redundent

you don't need both

a force weapon cuts just as good if not better

[opaque coyote]

What about in case of needing to conserve mental energy?

[celest dome]

Certainly there would be no point in using both at the same time

[arctic talon]

Its barely any effort to use a force sword in lore

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[arctic talon]

they're designed to have no real impact mentally

but if you want to like

make it cut even betterer

[celest dome]

With Biolighnting, you could have a Psyker be the energy cell for the Power Sword innit

[arctic talon]

then yeah you're gona have to start excerting some energy

yeah in theory

but force weapons are designed to be like

low stress

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that makes sense

Thank you

[arctic talon]

you can also like

put in way more effort

and have it like instantly explode someones organs

but yknow

[dapper gyro]

The device is nearly the same. The force ones uses power generated by the user instead of battery.

Or look at it as the force one is the modified power one, rarer because it takes more tech to transform the energy.

[plush mason]

i just realized the mechadendrites are also shrugging

[arctic talon]

yeah its great lol

[rocky gale]

We're going back to Armageddon

[arctic talon]

yep

hopefully its as good as nachmund

Crusade nachmund was really good

and had really cool rules

[rocky gale]

Real question is when the hell is Killteam Typhon coming out

Was revealed 2 months ago and nothing

[arctic talon]

good question

lol

killteam sometimes does that tbf

[rocky gale]

Meanwhile Space Wolves get revealed and released after like 2 weeks

[astral burrow]

I want a krieg miniature set and to paint them all in a week in peace

[astral burrow]

Peak

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345474709692874813/1366944735113121894/LEGION_LEADER.gif

[astral burrow]

Well, peak of space marines, so still mid

[plush mason]

this gif just keeps growing everytime i see it

[astral burrow]

Will the uuuh

Will the steel legion be there

[plush mason]

its Armageddon so i cant see how they wouldnt be

even if only in a minor role

[astral burrow]

Aw

[astral burrow]

I have settled on krieg as my fav faction

[crystal forum]

that is not a faction but i respect the choice

[crystal forum]

it's their home planet

[astral burrow]

Yeah but they aren't on the cover

[astral burrow]

Well

Guardsmen

But like

There are so many different parts of guardsmen, so

If I ever make an army, it will be krieg

[crystal forum]

welcome to being a guard fan

[astral burrow]

Damn

[crystal forum]

space marines will always get more attention

[astral burrow]

They are much more interesting than space marines smh smh

[crystal forum]

what made you choose krieg

[rose thorn]

I wanna give a shout out to my partner’s black shield! Her deathwatch fleet hangs out closer to the eye of terror and fights a lot of chaos xenos! They also pick up alot more black shields than usual too

[astral burrow]

I LOVE their aesthetic

[astral burrow]

What is a black shield?

[rose thorn]

It’s a space marine who disowns their home chapter/legion to murder xenos full time

[astral burrow]

Is that allowed

[rose thorn]

Yes

Many of them are ex chaos

More like most

[rose thorn]

They are interrogated by an inquisitor and pysker to see if their intentions are pure

[astral burrow]

[rose thorn]

Titus was forced to go into black shield for a while but they freed him from his duty

[astral burrow]

Deathwatch is black shield?

[rose thorn]

A black shield, is in deathwatch

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathwatch_Black_Shield

[astral burrow]

So many chaptahs

And still marines outside of chaptas

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

And evil marines

It is all marines

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

Almost like they sell best

[astral burrow]

Wish they didn't smh smh

Guardsmen more interesting

Do kriegsmen really use shovels? Or is it a meme?

[sacred ginkgo]

99% meme

They have actual trench maces or close combat weapons

[astral burrow]

Neither of which is usable in darktide right?

Is shock mace that?

Or axe?

Just knife?

[sacred ginkgo]

idk go look at their models

[astral burrow]

True!

Which melee in game is like a bayonet in hand?

[sacred ginkgo]

Knife

[astral burrow]

Laspistol and saber huh

[sacred ginkgo]

Also, eww, fandom

[astral burrow]

Maybe I can use the laspistol with dueling sword, commissar outfit

And krieg mask

[astral burrow]

That's lexicanum

On mobile

[sacred ginkgo]

Looks like fandom font

[astral burrow]

It is just the default font for everything

Does zealot even have a commissar outfit

Or anything officer looking like that

[sacred ginkgo]

No

[astral burrow]

Damn

I guess the shovel is in game as a melee cuz memes?

In the same class that gets hellbore

This is so raw

Horse with a gas mask lmao

Is the horse okay

[storm jungle]

its from WW1

they put gasmasks on horses there too

[storm jungle]

You are finally entering the krieg pipeline

[astral burrow]

Admit

It

Looks awesome

Commissar outfit with gas mask

[astral burrow]

Damn

I wish it didn't come to that

Glad they invented horse gas masks

[storm jungle]

The horses are safe....

well they are long dead now

but yes

[astral burrow]

Good

Deserved

All the krieg minis are just

Veteran exclusive weapons smh

Only officers have laspistols

[languid meadow]

I wish the helbore was better

it sucks so hard in darktide

[astral burrow]

I wanna use it but

Zealot...

I guess I will go for this

Shock maul and laspistol, close enough

Wish zealots krieg outfits was cooler

Are there krieg zealots at all?

They ARE rather zealous

Would judge voice fit one?

[storm jungle]

None of the DT personalities really fit a Krieger so.

[astral burrow]

Turn off voice, then they fit I guess

Lol

[storm jungle]

Well they do talk, its more that they arent really jovial.

[astral burrow]

Dunno how I feel about this look ngl

Smth feels off about it

[astral burrow]

Muffled as hell I imagine

[arctic talon]

Well

[storm jungle]

Theres nothing off about it

its just armor

[arctic talon]

Not really

Regarding muffled

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

They have vox operators

[storm jungle]

tf2 pyro ahh

[arctic talon]

The dkok trooper screaming to death as they’re being burned to death

Doesn’t count

Their vocal chords were prolly melting lol

[astral burrow]

Shouldn't it be fully sealed?

I guess if it had shoulder pads I would like it more

Can't take this shit seriously whole it has candles melting on the head

Looks like a bird shat on it

[storm jungle]

No? They just wear gasmasks.

[astral burrow]

A lot

[astral burrow]

Isn't krieg extremely toxic? Wouldn't they need completely sealed outfits?

[storm jungle]

If thats your line then you are not prepared for how most people look/dress in 40k

[astral burrow]

The neck is completely exposed

[storm jungle]

Thye live underground

also its toxic but like-

chemicals usually dont eat your skin

[astral burrow]

Don't they fight on the surface?

[storm jungle]

its usually breathing related

[astral burrow]

Radiation could tho

[storm jungle]

we dont fucking know what gas type inhabits krieg

THIS ISNT IMPORTANT

[astral burrow]

IT IS

[storm jungle]

NO ITS NOT

MOVE ALONG.

[astral burrow]

I am pretty sure veteran one is fully sealed too

Is zealot just stupid

[arctic talon]

Yes

Feel the burn

[storm jungle]

Its almost like

they are some sort of zealot

[arctic talon]

Zealots are fucking derranged

Lol

[languid meadow]

yes but also the scion helmet isn't sealed as well and you're just rawdogging the elements

[storm jungle]

Also this is forgeworld lore

aka extremely old

[arctic talon]

It is sealed on the mini

[storm jungle]

and most authors dont care

[arctic talon]

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-squarepants-angry-ripping-gif-25651719

Don't bring up the peak of scion minis when I can't have it in darktide

[astral burrow]

They should!

[storm jungle]

Its 40k

we work

to earn the right to lore

to earn the right to die

[astral burrow]

This is the source

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Vraks is old as shit

It might be older then you/j

[arctic talon]

Also have you considered the zealot might just not be fully sealed because they like it that way

They’re not part of the regiment anymore

Maybe they like having their skin out

[astral burrow]

2007

Nah not older than me

[arctic talon]

The cosmetic sets who are in grendyl’s warband

Aren’t beholden to regimental standards anymore

They can do whatever the fuck they want

[astral burrow]

Well I guess he isn't on krieg anymore

But then just take the mask off

I hope that set comes to shop

[arctic talon]

Maybe they like the mask

Or maybe they only care about inhalants

[astral burrow]

I wanna wear it sometimes and roleplay as a krieg guy with shock maul and laspistol

[arctic talon]

Maybe they’ve reconfigure it to give stims

[astral burrow]

Cuz shovel unfunny

[arctic talon]

Lol

[astral burrow]

Or just drugs

[arctic talon]

Air doesn’t taste right without slaught in the air

[astral burrow]

Skull emoji

[arctic talon]

I like how drukhari medicine and combat drugs in killteam

When injected into non drukhari just fucking kills them

[astral burrow]

And would put together a casual look for him

So I have at least some sort of unique look

And don't look like an npc all the time

[storm jungle]

Its at the end of the day a military uniform

theres no casual

someone call the commissar now!!!!

[astral burrow]

Well like elite said

Not part of krieg anymore lol

He can dress however

I am gonna make him fancy

[arctic talon]

Not when deployed prolly

Tbh

[astral burrow]

And krieg outfit for when I am feeling spicy

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Mordians tbh

Lol

[astral burrow]

Then they would just wear the inquisition uniform tho

Not krieg

[arctic talon]

It depends

[astral burrow]

Gas masks should protect against pox

[arctic talon]

They just need something that’s protective

[astral burrow]

And uuuh tox

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

It depends

[astral burrow]

Tox tho

[arctic talon]

Some stuff eats through filters

Yeah

[astral burrow]

Tox is worse than kriegs atmosphere?

How tf are we still alive

[arctic talon]

Yeah prolly

[astral burrow]

[arctic talon]

Purification rituals

[astral burrow]

(shower)

[arctic talon]

Probably psychic scouring

To ensure nothing warp based takes root

[astral burrow]

Do kriegs shower

[arctic talon]

Yes?

When available

[astral burrow]

Sick

[astral burrow]

Which is not often I assume

Stuck in a perpetual ww1

Do kriegsmen ever leave krieg?

Serve anywhere else?

Or live a normal life?

[arctic talon]

They leave in regiments to fight wars

Krieg hasn’t been invaded in recent history at all

99.999999999% of the dkok die outside of krieg

[astral burrow]

So they just live wher

There?

Then what is the point of the whole gas masks and chemical armor thing when not fighting on krieg

They serve on dangerous planets?

[arctic talon]

They fight in warzones with those things, it’s military uniform at the end of the day as well

It’s tradition

They’ll dress like that always

[astral burrow]

Gas mask in a breathable environment is such a waste smh smh

[arctic talon]

In whatever place they’re fighting yeah

[astral burrow]

Bet people they serve with find them weird

[arctic talon]

Well it’s the imperium

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

Don't they live on krieg when not serving

[arctic talon]

No

[astral burrow]

Really?

[arctic talon]

No one’s got time to send you back to your homeworld

Lol

[astral burrow]

They are just dressed like that, while it is completely safe?

Bruh

They are weirder than I thought

[arctic talon]

Well in barracks no

[astral burrow]

I thought they were in a perpetual war on krieg

[arctic talon]

No

[astral burrow]

Just dying for the emperor over and over

[arctic talon]

Krieg is a peaceful world rn

Lol

[astral burrow]

That was cooler in my head

[arctic talon]

There’s no recent incidents on krieg

[astral burrow]

Knowing nothing else, no other planet, just being born and dying on krieg for generations over and over

[arctic talon]

Aside from like a genestealer landing on it

And being hunted down

[arctic talon]

Nah

[astral burrow]

Who is on krieg now then?

[arctic talon]

They’re a guard regiment because they leave

[arctic talon]

Humans

Grox

Horses

[astral burrow]

Any kriegsmen?

[arctic talon]

Krieg entire purpose is making guardsmen

Yes

Those are the humans

[astral burrow]

Training there?

[arctic talon]

Yes

They’re trained on world

And then shipped out

[astral burrow]

Such a cumbersome outfit when not necessary

[arctic talon]

Again it’s tradition

[astral burrow]

It must be a pain to even see through those gas masks

[arctic talon]

Not really apparently

[astral burrow]

And that fully chemically reinforced coat must be TOASTY

[arctic talon]

We get the pov of a dkok sniper

In the killteam trailer

[astral burrow]

Gas masks are disgustingly hard to aim with tho

[arctic talon]

Before they fucking blow up

[astral burrow]

Aren't gas mask POVs very simplified in game and stuff

When it is accurate it is shit like

Battlefield 1

[arctic talon]

No like I’m not talking about a video game

It’s a cinematic

In any case it doesn’t really matter

They have snipers

[astral burrow]

Yeah in cinematics too

[arctic talon]

So its not a too huge detriment

Is my point

[astral burrow]

Can they even serve at full strength when roasting in those coats lmao

At some point tradition just becomes silly

I guess makes it more reasonable to wear that shit in atoma

And mourningstar

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s the imperium

The insane theocratic death cult

[astral burrow]

Someone said krieg has their own cult too

[arctic talon]

They have a sub cult of the imperial creed

[astral burrow]

That might have zealots in it

[arctic talon]

It’s called the cult of sacrifice

It’s an even more insane death cult

[astral burrow]

Cult of sacrifice is just what the ecclisiarchy calls kriegsmen in general tho according to lexicanum

[arctic talon]

Which says that your very existence is guilty of heresy

And you will redeem yourself with dying for the cause

[astral burrow]

Why?

Because their ancestors rebelled?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[astral burrow]

So they still atone for their ancestors sins...

[arctic talon]

You are guilty of heresy by existing, fortunately the emperor is merciful and will grant you redemption in death

Yes

[astral burrow]

Really does go well next to the thing people sometimes associate it with

[arctic talon]

They call the subcult on krieg the cult of sacrifice

Yes

Dkok are just guardsmen

[astral burrow]

I suppose that's what the zealot skin is meant to be

With all the seals and the candles

I doubt your average kriegsman has all those, I haven't seen any minis with candles or purity seals

Sleepytime, good krieg night

[dapper gyro]

Despite the 40k meme, don't you disrespect the infantry shovel.

It is an actual multi function tool and is a decent melee in real life.

[arctic talon]

Yeah you can always beat someone to death with it lol

[plush mason]

yup

and they normally have a sharped edge for breaking hard sod, which means they can easily cut throats and cleave skulls

[dapper gyro]

It has more edge than an axe, so actually easier to use compared to the axes.

[sly ivy]

Or, more realistically, you can very rapidly dig a small hole into which they’ll stumble when they run at you duh

[plush mason]

lmao

[sly ivy]

I’m always having to correct u @arctic talon what kind of an Asian r u

[arctic talon]

Han Chinese(Taiwan)/Japanese mix

[nocturne crest]

TIL the Angels Pentient were based on a religious event.

[sly ivy]

A potent combination that should know more about shovel warfare

[crystal forum]

i would rather use a rock than a trowel to hit people

call it what it is, a trowel

and the edge would just immediately deflect off whatever you're hitting to end up slapping with the flat part

imagine the military was issued large knives wouldn't that be cool

[winter vessel]

so, after 2 days of playing and finding every secret in every nook and cranny, I have finished playing Doom the Dark Ages

and out of the three titles I've played and ranking them. I'd put this in 3rd.

[dusky scroll]

How human was the Emperor? Considering how kinda' "all knowing" nutjob Big E was, it is waaay too human to not even predict his sons may revolt against him. He really had no clue?

[rose thorn]

i had a feeling

[crystal forum]

nobody knows

my 2 cents is he IS AN OLD ONE WAKE UP SHEEPLE

but really no he is unknown

strongest mortal psyker in the galaxy

supposed to be human despite no human in history reaching even a fraction of his power

[winter vessel]

but you know its not because i hated it or disliked it so much, outside of the obvious being the decrease of Glory kill animations. Besides that, I didn't find anything lacking in Dark Ages, it was satisfactory to me in the end. but when comparing it to the previous installments, there isn't as much content. (I'm not counting the ancient god dlcs that's something different)

[crystal forum]

how does it compare to doom 3

the best doom according to nobody

[winter vessel]

If i were to base the design of the demonic forces of hell, it would go to 3 and 2016. 3 because of how limited of the tech at the time with visuals, the rough and unpolished design of the enemy gave its fear factor.

2016 revives that with how gritty and somewhat malicious the demons are.

Doom 2016's Revenant is my favorite in terms of unconsented combination of flesh and machine for an enemy type

[dapper gyro]

In term of visual and art, 2016 is the top for me.

Eternal has a lot of blood and gore, yet feels way less gory.

[sharp pollen]

2016 > efartal and puke age

[dapper gyro]

Also, 2016 weapons and item placement are more grounded and less arcade-ish.

[winter vessel]

Eternal was more or less, a return to Doom's initial approach and had a more arcade-y vibe to it

but there was more variety in it i'd say

skins, unlocks, power pick ups, secret areas

[dapper gyro]

Dark Age is good. I like the attempt at the new approach instead of doing a copy paste.

[winter vessel]

that i believe is where its strength comes from. many were skeptical when they decided to change its super advanced technological vibe to a more Medieval/gothic approach, but I really enjoyed it.

like, you are in a much older era even with the weapons you use.

[dapper gyro]

Game play and map design in Eternal is unarguably better. It is just the ambient and environment feel to be different, and is inferior in my opinion.

[winter vessel]

i like it because of the goofy ass glory kill you can pull on a zombie by just bonking their head into the torso with that shocked look on their faces

also in Dark ages i was intrigued with the different design choice of the night sentinel warriors. They look a lot more like their early concept art then how they looked in 2016 and Eternal

[opaque coyote]

Honestly Doom 2016 probably is my favorite design wise and even horror wise

Like genuinely if there was a DLC for 2016 where they tried another Doom 3 type thing again

It would've worked, some of the scenes in the 2016 UAC are genuinely disturbing

Although occasionally I wonder how do they have this much blood

[dapper gyro]

Aegis Guard is some good sci-fi power armour.

They are strong enough that they needed a kill switch to kill them.

[opaque coyote]

No idea about Dark Ages.

But honestly I think Eternal was

Kind of a step back in terms of story weirdly enough.

Like again, nobody really plays Doom for the story

But Eternal kinda messed things up a lot

Like the existence of Samuel Hayden ks

Weird

[opaque coyote]

Canonically the 2016 multiplayer is actually what the elite guards are capable of

And tbh I unironically think a DLC/sidegame with one as the protagonist would've been interesting

[winter vessel]

Base game Eternal is still what puts them in number one for me. EVERYTHING is over the top, which, even for a guy who plays for a narrative experience, likes to dabble in that. but i think what weighs them down is The Ancient Gods DLCs

in both story and ost

[opaque coyote]

Tbf for the OST that's partially because of Mick Gordon leaving.

As for story... yeah.

Again, Ancient Gods 1 really makes me wonder how the fuck Samuel Hayden got to this point

[winter vessel]

story i feel like they were trying to cram in a lot of exposition, especially that twist with Davoth, which, i still don't believe, is the god of that dimension

[queen laurel]

Story yeah makes sense but

It's still enjoyable it's not the worst

[opaque coyote]

"oh yeah he's god and you're the special guy"

Like okay

[dapper gyro]

On a side note on the previous subject about infantry shovel, only those who never see one or holding one would say that they will bounce off when striking.

I chopped 7.5cm/3inch tree with this.

[queen laurel]

To be fair it was stated that the divinity machine that gave the slayer his power talks about him

[winter vessel]

I very much enjoyed Dark Ages' handling of the Night Sentinels as well.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think that's why he kinda decided to go eepy at the end.

The divinity kinda just

Disappeared suddenly

Due to God dying

Although I have a trouble believing that mf is truly like

Actually God... Or well ex-God.

[queen laurel]

I mean that's definitely why

Vegas said it best in his death everything he made will be undo even you

But remember this is still the same guy that went and killed a lot of things in hell without that power

[dapper gyro]

TAG dlc story is not good.

[queen laurel]

It's middle of the road

The worst but not the best

[dapper gyro]

Eternal bosses suck compared to 2016 and even dark age.

2016 bosses are way more fun.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah.

Also Hayden's... journey is funny to me.

Man went from

Being a Makyr

Possessing a guy that had cancer

Turning into a robot

Getting sliced in half in-between 2016 and Eternal.

Powering spaceship.

Becoming a Makyr again.

Becoming evil.

Disappearing, he doesn't even die

???

[winter vessel]

many times he is referred to as "The First Being". to me I associate that with a degree of mortality. I view a divine entity as an Omnipotent force. So i still believe davoth, while still a "creator" is still a "created" individual

[crystal forum]

caught red handed reading my posts

scared of gay

[opaque coyote]

Is it ever explained why he betrayed us.

I mean it made sense if he was the CEO we know. But he's some weird Makyr dude so...

Why?

[dapper gyro]

Sometimes discord doesn't censor when booting up.

Eternal was lost in the sauce.

[opaque coyote]

Again, thank god we don't focus on the story in the doom games because this shit is ass

[dapper gyro]

Btw, Dark age has some fun and "what, why, whatever" moments.

[winter vessel]

On the contrary, I believe Dark Ages was very strong in terms of storytelling.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Dark Ages looks fun

[dapper gyro]

I don't know if you guys care about the spoilers.

[opaque coyote]

I will play it

Soon

[crystal forum]

anyways a tree is not a human limb

[queen laurel]

Probably has my favorite weapons

It's just the doom weapons but more medieval

And the new ones are great

[dapper gyro]

I think a big player base expected Doom Eternal 2 and therefore dislike Dark Age.

I'm thankful that it is not Eternal 2.

[queen laurel]

I think it has to do with the the general gameplay

Doom games used to be slow and grounded like the original doom and stuff

And then eternal and 2016 came in

That redefine the doom games into fast pace shooters

Where you move at 500 miles per hour

[crystal forum]

wtf do you mean slow and grounded

[queen laurel]

Then other ones also copied the formula like ultra kill

[crystal forum]

the first dooms were super fast

[dapper gyro]

Eh, Doom is always fast besides from Doom 3.

[queen laurel]

I mean relatively slower and you don't jump around like a goddamn squirrel

[winter vessel]

Now i'd like to talk about the OSTs of the Doom Games. As we all know the man behind creating music for doom like he was cutting diamonds, Mick Gordon, still reigns as number one in my book. And when it comes to making a first impression on playing for the first time, it is VERY important for the music to hit that delivery.

and MAN, did Finishing Move Inc hit a home run. https://youtu.be/uq8sf6ZK0xY?si=BGuIYtIk4RdLvWXj

[queen laurel]

Well is it faster than doom eternal?

The original doom is definitely slower

[crystal forum]

you're constantly running around to evade projectiles idk what you mean

[queen laurel]

Yes it's fast but not as fast as eternal

[dapper gyro]

In Doom 1 and Doom 2, you have to fly all over the place to avoid projectiles.

[crystal forum]

hardware limitations man

you couldn't even aim up in DOOM

[dapper gyro]

Maybe not as fast as Eternal, which is Eternal strong point. But at least as fast as 2016.

The issue is that those old games have less vertical play.

[queen laurel]

But let's go back to doom the dark ages, goes back more to the roots

[winter vessel]

Dare i say, Finishing Move Inc may be a contender for Mick Gordon.

[dapper gyro]

So you feel "slow".

[queen laurel]

Side dodging his way more prevalent and you can perry

[dapper gyro]

But good luck playing slow in those games.

[queen laurel]

You are almost always encourage to stay still in fighter

[crystal forum]

perry the platypus?

[queen laurel]

Sorry i'm still groggy

I just woke up

But yeah doom the dark ages is supposed to go back to the roots

You're more on the ground and less well crazy movement like

If anything i like that

[dapper gyro]

It is specifically its speed that made it different from games at the era like Nuke Nukem 3D and old Wolfenstein where enemies use hitscan and you just can't afford to play fast like Doom.

[queen laurel]

I mean to be honest i like it

And if you still want to play fast the speed slider is there

[winter vessel]

Doom 2016 and Eternal music gives the vibe of being "you are an unstoppable force and they can't do anything about it.". Whereas Dark Ages, a time before Doom Guy's true ascension. it is more like an even battleground with the music. you are at war

[queen laurel]

Just crack that shit up

[crystal forum]

if only they didnt fuck over the composer

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/8xTSoR-C7V0?si=9JfV61JDFl_iLom8

i sincerely hope they keep this guy for future projects

[dapper gyro]

Dark age is fast as hell even in default settings. Again, it is more rooted with its less vertical gameplay.

[queen laurel]

Yeah i think people got used to like ultra kill and eternal

[crystal forum]

dont compare ultrakill to doom man

[queen laurel]

That they forgot that doom games used to be less mobile and slow

Well slower

[dapper gyro]

Eternal TAG1 is the epidemic of vertical game play, and people said that it is too fast sometimes.

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah doom and ultrakill aren't very comparable aside from stylistically

[crystal forum]

ultrakill is still a niche game. it's way too technical for most casuals

[winter vessel]

one thing i did think was weird was bringing in elements of lovecraftian mythology into the game

[queen laurel]

I mean it's still a first person shooter like doom movement is prevalent but you know this one is on crack

[crystal forum]

every fucking game series has to have a lovecraft phase man

[dapper gyro]

Brother, you have the fucking icon of sins since Doom 2.

[queen laurel]

I'm just saying that since people played eternal and ultra kill like that

They i've just gotten

So used to speed

[sacred ginkgo]

Ultrakill has shit tons of weapon combos and extreme 3 dimensional movement, as well as zero ammo limitations and infinite healing as opposed to Doom which has almost zero cross weapon interactions, limited ammo, and semi limited healing

[queen laurel]

That when you take it away from them they just kind of shut down

[crystal forum]

it's not even close to doom movement

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's way more faster

But like that's not even my point i'm just comparing how people have gotten so used to the speed of the both games they don't know how to deal with while relatively more tamed in the movement department games

Ultra kill is way more technical

Coin bouncing rail gun coin bouncing

Railgun grenade shooting

[winter vessel]

but then you just casually dish out one of these bastards when you run that Atlan which, by the way, Titans are presented to be a very intimidating force born in the pits of Hell. but then you just have Doom Slayer showing them these hands and just kept getting abused left and right

[crystal forum]

i think it's two different game communities. i don't see any particular overlap between ultrakill and doom players

[dapper gyro]

The speed is not about the movement, but the number of action you have to do during a fight.

Otherwise, again, in term of raw speed, 2.5D dooms are fast.

[queen laurel]

People who get into the as what they call doom inspired game play both of them

[crystal forum]

first time i'm hearing of that

[queen laurel]

It used to be doom clones but

People just call it first person shooters now

People mostly play these games for the thrill of it really

Good chunk of games like this in the market

[crystal forum]

ultrakill is not a doom clone or nukem clone

[queen laurel]

It's inspired by them

[crystal forum]

there are many of those games but not ultrakill

[dapper gyro]

Eternal wants you to combo weapons, a lesson they learnt from 2016, you have less ammo so you have more incentive to use utilities like shoulder weapons and melee. The number of actions you have to do make the gameplay faster and not just mere speed.

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why

Same for ultra kill and again i'm not comparing them as like both similar and comparing their gameplay loop

Combo their weapons like a fast crackhead

And you know just moving around all over the place

[dapper gyro]

Darktide is also a fast game imo. You have to take care of so many small shit.

[queen laurel]

People have defined the doom games into their mind into that

Fast weapon swapings and moving around all over the place

Not something like dark ages

Where you are more put to the ground and dodging and parrying is the main focus

[winter vessel]

funny how Dark ages is the first time i experience a parry system that isn't so jacked

[queen laurel]

You're still fast mind you but the way you survive and do things that's different that really makes people confused

[dapper gyro]

I share the sentiment that Dark Age is the weakest overall of the soft reboot. Though, it has so many strong points that the other 2 don't have.

[queen laurel]

I mean each game has a flaw really

No matter how you slice it

[winter vessel]

true. if they had gone with the same formula with the previous installments, i felt it would be lackluster.

it was a nice change of pace overall

[dapper gyro]

Yes, nothing is flawless.

I dislike people hating Dark Age for the sake of hating.

[winter vessel]

I do like the antagonist had a certain degree of understanding of what the Slayer is capable of...initially

[queen laurel]

I mean i respect the guy because he actually decided that maybe just maybe fighting him head on is a bad idea

Then we'll you know

He gave the slayer a reason to cave in his head

Really really hard

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sadness-gif-20077186

Grief

[queen laurel]

Serrat was good, he was

[winter vessel]

oh yeah that part i really enjoyed. you don't see much of his upset nature outside of 1st person perspectives. so by seeing it by his body language and what little of his face is seen through his visor, his whole reason of fighting was reignited. TWICE

[spare osprey]

Wonder how the dlc is gonna go

[dapper gyro]

To be fair, he only did that after he got the power up and thought that he stopped the Dguy.

But plot armour has to do the plot armour thing.

[queen laurel]

He was successful on planning around on killing the doomslayer

But you know

He's the doom slayer

The same guy even without god like powers

[dapper gyro]

Like, the dude also understands that killing the Doomguy is not the way, but trapping him.

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-gif-23805674

[queen laurel]

Dukes it out with hell on the regular

[winter vessel]

I already knew Ahzrek's brain cell was on cool down and was not using it. You Stop Doom Guy, you give his allies the reason to lose their will to fight. but if you Kill his closest allies. you then give the Slayer a reason, to immediately assert his dominance by dropping and letting the head of his flail hang above the prince. to at which point, he brings it down on him so hard it could've created a 10th circle of hell

[dapper gyro]

I saw so many people laughing when the guy tried to trap him... but like, dude, that's fucking how 2016 started.

[queen laurel]

He climbed out of hell

trapping him is not going to last long

[dapper gyro]

Trapping the guy is indeed more permanent than killing him.

[queen laurel]

It's probably the best option though because this guy can just somehow live even without his god like power

[dapper gyro]

You wake up from a fucking tomb in 2016, because that's the better way to contain the guy.

[queen laurel]

He faced the forces of hell as a mortal once

And survived all of that

[winter vessel]

anyone else here laughed out loud when "payment" was required to board the Soul Ship?

[queen laurel]

Yeah lead

[dapper gyro]

I was like "Well, no shit"...

I would love to see the 2016 armour again.

[winter vessel]

that's like the equivalent of an employee who spins the tablet on the tip option and you just flip em off

[dapper gyro]

2016 armour is the peak, then Dark Age and then Eternal.

[queen laurel]

No that's the equivalent of doing that but instead of flipping them off

You pull out a glock

[queen laurel]

Story wise or gameplay?

[dapper gyro]

Look

Style point

[winter vessel]

2016 praetor suit is still the best in design

and then his Dark Age look was metal af

[queen laurel]

My favorite is still his dark ages

[late osprey]

i thought he was called doom fellow

[languid meadow]

My fav fact about the slayer is that he's a big goofy nerd

I love that about him

[dapper gyro]

I do like the telescopic blade from Eternal.

[dapper gyro]

It is still a marine after all.

Crayon main diet

[winter vessel]

his little interactions with the figures are wholesome

[queen laurel]

Hey under all of that gristle armor and blood

Was still a human at one point

[dapper gyro]

Also, Doom 3 Marine is the same character.

Fough on Mars, then get rescued at the end, but the rescue crashed on Phobos (Doom 1).

I remember that it is mentioned Doom 1 was not the 1st time he and Cyberdemon met each other.

Now think of Cyberdemon, 2016 Baalgar Cyberdemon looked so damn cool.

[winter vessel]

2016 demons had a lot more intimidation factor with their designs

[shadow plover]

I too started Dark Ages yesterday, seems like a proper continuation of the series

Nightmare feels a lot easier than in earlier games. Though now you have loads of extra settings to tweak the settings more to your liking which is fucking great, haven't touched them yest but will adjust them today I feel

the designs have been pretty stellar as well so far

Lack of glory kills is a bummer but I believe the way the new game flows is good as well

and you get a taste of them in various ways still

sound mixing is a bit off though, the music is pretty low on default settings

[winter vessel]

fair review, here's hoping the Campaign DLC will also be satisfactory

[astral burrow]

Indeed, but u know

They wouldn't use it as their dedicated melee

[spare osprey]

started it a couple days back, taking a break cause i started seeing the hud when i slept

it's fun

[dapper gyro]

If you have to carry a shovel or any tool that you can use for striking, why would you carry some dedicated melee?

You really think that those renaissance era to present bringing axe to the battle field as dedicated melee vs gun and bayonet? And not for chopping trees to build bridge, which also double as a melee?

Or the sledge hammer instead of actual warhammer?

[rare citrus]

Hello

[dapper gyro]

👋

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/orks-ork-waaaagh-slugga-boy-dawn-of-war-gif-15592891

[raven stone]

Morning

[astral burrow]

But they do carry trench maces

And yeah their bayonet

So the knife or shock maul would fit better

For a more accurate loadout

I could bring shovel on veteran with hellbore since that has the bayonet already but not for zealot

[celest dome]

GW has already made cannon that shovels can and are used as melee weapons, hence them being in game

[raven stone]

Shovels have also been used in trench warfare IRL

Especially WW1

[dapper gyro]

It is not my point. A soldier can only carry so much, so they have to choice one tool over the other. Like you wrote earlier on why would they use shovel instead of mace. Well, if they need a shovel, they would have to discard mace.

[astral burrow]

No I am pretty sure they do carry both

And why would I need a shovel in darktide I am not gonna dig a trench in atoma

[dapper gyro]

Right, they are fictional soldiers, they don't feel back pain.

[astral burrow]

They probably enjoy back paim

Pain

[celest dome]

Cause of habits 🤷

Like why would you need a Chain Sword

You're not cutting a tree

[astral burrow]

Cuz chainsword is an actual combat weapon

[dapper gyro]

Kind of insane that the infantry shovel is back in fashion in Ukraine right now.

[astral burrow]

A shovel is just... A shovel

[astral burrow]

Damn it

[astral burrow]

Yeah I know

It was a thing in battlefield 1 too

But isn't krieg always using shovels 90% a meme

[celest dome]

Chain weapons make less sense than using shovels of improvised weapons

[celest dome]

https://youtu.be/fzs_dYE6MjA

Honestly quite cool

[dapper gyro]

Having a sword is stupid, because you can only cut grass outside of slashing opponents. Shovel can do so many things at once, and sure as hell getting a reach advantage vs a knife.

[astral burrow]

I can't find a single mini with a shovel lmao

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-yuvraj-singh-puts-minnal-murali-to-the-test-making-of-a-superhero-yuvraj-singh-netflix-india-gif-10914802837587850918

[astral burrow]

Everyone has chainswords tho

From sororities to astartes to that one homeless guy in the alley

People fw it

[celest dome]

And there are models in the IG that have shovels 🤷

[dapper gyro]

That's the exact same model of shovel in my profile pic... well, I bought it from Russia, who build it in Ukraine during Soviet time.

[astral burrow]

Lexicanum only mentions the bayonet and the saber for close combat weapons

Does mention entrenching tools but nothing about them being used as weapons prominently

[rocky gale]

There are several shovels in IG kits, but none are being used by models as a weapon

[raven stone]

Time to get converting!

[astral burrow]

People seem sick of the shovel memes as is, so

If I can gonna make a krieg loadout I would rather use a more accurate melee weapon to not stoke the flames lol

[dapper gyro]

Shovel and other utilities used as melee are grouped as "Close combat weapon" in the rule.

I dislike the Krieg and their shovel meme.

However, when talking of shovel as an actual tool and weapon, it deserves respect as much as a great sword or a Japanese sword.

[astral burrow]

But when it comes to picking a dedicated melee weapon in darktide for a krieg look

I would rather use a shock maul that looks like a trench club

[celest dome]

I much rather have a shovel in game than a Katana at least 💀

[astral burrow]

Than an axe modded to look like a shovel

[astral burrow]

Does 40k have katanas

Or samurais

[queen laurel]

it has every weapon you can think of

[rocky gale]

Tau might have them, but I can't remember if that was a meme or not

[queen laurel]

energy weapons melee weapons ballistic weapons

[astral burrow]

But are there samurai

[dapper gyro]

Eh, that description could be applied to any weapon in game really...

[celest dome]

The 1st Inquisitor looked like one iirc

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Yasu_Nagasena

[celest dome]

Even Psyker ones

[astral burrow]

No I mean the only shovel I can use on zealot is literally the axe, made into a shovel with customization mod lol

[celest dome]

Also Blank one with one of the Noble family

[astral burrow]

This is straight up a samurai lmao

[dapper gyro]

I never consider playing with mod. Anyhow, the maul does fit zealot more, for the gameplay as well.

[astral burrow]

I can probably use the same mod to make it look more wood

For a look like this with the laspistol

Blue krieg in shop when

[plush mason]

it already was

we got the grey and the horizon blue ones

[astral burrow]

Yeah but like

When back on rotation smh

[median star]

magic 8 ball says

never

[celest dome]

Skull might have multiple gold/auric cosmetics available like last year

[astral burrow]

I hope it won't have anything I like tho cuz I got no money rn lmao

[raven stone]

Maybe an in between would be a cosmetic code that you have to claim

Like they had with some of the tournament related helmets back then

[sour hornet]

So based

[astral burrow]

For free?

[raven stone]

On the topic of skulls
I am eager for news on Darktide (ofc) and Rogue Trader.
Anything else people are excited/hope to see?

[raven stone]

Ye back then the tourney helmets were redeemed via code for free

[astral burrow]

We already had the rogue trader news tho

I am excited for new game announcements

[raven stone]

Only some of it I would suspect, they might be holding even more things for the actual reveal

Granted the biggest things about Arbites are out in the wild

But there would be more, or so I hope

[astral burrow]

Well the dlc release is like the biggest news

I doubt they wanna spoil much about the actual dlc

But we can assume it will have arbites in story

[celest dome]

I'm waiting for the Mechanicus 2 date and further reveals.
VT2 stuff and new games, that's always nice to see

[shadow plover]

new 40k rts

[celest dome]

Might even be 2

[shadow plover]

was about to say

[celest dome]

DoW4 and TW40k

[queen laurel]

i want a good aos game

[celest dome]

Ye that would be great

The setting deserve it

[queen laurel]

yes it does

[hallow basin]

I'm really not sure CA has enough creative juices in them to reimagine their formula for 40k

[shadow plover]

they're apparently also working on a Star Wars total war so I recon at least they think they do

[celest dome]

Wasn't the SW one somewhat debunked ?

[celest dome]

Creative juice I don't think will be a big problem, it's mostly the engine and post-ww1 fighting style that would

[hallow basin]

yeah, that's what I meant. I'm honestly not sure if it's even possible to marry Total War gameplay and post-ww1 combat. It feels like it's easier to make a completely different game altogether

[shadow plover]

I think it'll play a lot differently than your normal TW but it'll still be called TW

[astral burrow]

God I hate blade dancer so much

Have 2 swords, press 1 button, 6 attacks in one grun

Turn

And you still can use normal attacks AND can jump to a tile and attack whoever is there

Who be fuck balanced this archetype

[shadow plover]

it's not that much more powerful than the other archetypes later on, it just tarts off really strong compared to most

[spring cairn]

they do

ppl also said this for fantasy stuff like wfb

[shadow plover]

ye

[spring cairn]

"they can't pull off magic, single entities and heroes"

and then

they pulled it off

it's CA so if it happens, it won't without a few hitch but I trust they can do it

[shadow plover]

we will get a trilogy of 40kTW games and once they all are out it'll be great

[celest dome]

Tbf magic didn't really require broad changes to the system

[shadow plover]

see you in 15 years

[celest dome]

Like it just work like grenades and such

And the game still work on a formation system

[spring cairn]

no reason why 40k wouldn't be using formations aswell

[celest dome]

Lore ? Like they don't move and fight in squares, they also would be strange without trenches and such...

[spring cairn]

past total war games already had deployables/fortifications you can dock units to so that wouldn't be hard to add

[shadow plover]

I've no reason to believe they wouldn't pull it off

[storm jungle]

Guy's more of a downer than me 😔

[plush mason]

a 40k TW would end up like empire

[astral burrow]

I am the downerest

[plush mason]

line combat is the only way they could make the battles work imo

[spring cairn]

it would be a blend of empire and the warhammer fantasy titles

[plush mason]

yeah

[spring cairn]

which would be peak

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-half-life-hl2-half-life-2-its-peak-gif-12159832417840386635

[plush mason]

the city building side would be wild

[spring cairn]

can't wait to research the technology that lets me construct the building for recycling battle casualties in the region into food 🔥 🔥

[plush mason]

and build a SM barracks in every major city to field more space marines than canonically ever existed

[spring cairn]

the 5 armies full of steam tanks have never been so back

[shadow plover]

There will be Space Marine casualties not seen since the drop site massacre

[queen laurel]

about to make the horus heresy casualties look like a joke

[hallow basin]

Might as well make a game about HH. Majority only cares about space marines anyway

[plush mason]

sadly true

[shadow plover]

don't say that aloud, you'll give the marine haters an aneurysm

[astral burrow]

Time to lock in and study see y'all in 10 hours

[plush mason]

i think the only reason they wouldnt is the simple fact 40k has more factions and there for more dlc potential

[hallow basin]

True

[plush mason]

and we all know CA loves their dlcs

[dapper gyro]

If Doom Dark Age but playing as a SM or Custode, it would makes enough money for GW ceo for generations.

[plush mason]

when it comes to money there is no such thing as enough for those in such positions

[storm jungle]

Its okay to hate space marines 😔

one day people will understand...

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[shadow plover]

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-high-abe-lincoln-wrong-no-no-it's-not-gif-10231736687579880283

[hexed orchid]

I don't hate marines, just how much they overshadow literally everything else in the setting

[plush mason]

only problem with space marines is they are overused and overhyped to hell and back 5 ways over

[dapper gyro]

I like the SM, but I don't like most of its fandom.

[plush mason]

they could do with less focus and less books imo

but they sale the most minis and thus the feedback loop is in place

[queen laurel]

Yeah now they are getting attention from gw with multiple mini reveals and some books

After a decent run of not paying attention from them

Marines can be cool but man can you use anything else besides them from time to time

[raven stone]

Instructions unclear

All Marines update schedule by GW ...

[celest dome]

I never cared for SM, like or dislike

I mean, if SM were at least as cool as Stormcast I couldn't complain, but they aren't

[young pecan]

Too late
Aneurysm complete

[rose thorn]

Stormcasts !!! Yayyy

[vagrant fox]

Something about stormcasts don't do it for me, there's bits I like but it's just a bit off for me. Either way, space marines are probably my favourite but they could take some focus being shifted off them, there's a whole galaxy to explore. Or write more books, both work for me

[storm jungle]

You probably need to read a bit more up on them to be sold into them imo.

At the end of the day they are basically Chaos Warriors but Order™️, and all the good/bad that comes with that package morality wise.

[vagrant fox]

I've only read the lexi tbf

[storm jungle]

Yeah that explains a lot

the AOS lexi is bad

LMAO

[vagrant fox]

and then played realms of ruin which was pretty mid

[queen laurel]

Yeah but on the other hand your other choice is the

Aos wiki

Let's just say

That one is rotting

[vagrant fox]

One day I'll sit down and give AoS a proper chance, Dark Harvest was good enough I've decided to do it eventually

[celest dome]

[astral burrow]

Anyone got any cool krieg wallpapers?

I can only find some terrible quality ones

[vagrant fox]

and chaos warriors from the mark of chaos trailer were one of my first warhammer loves 🤔

[astral burrow]

I don't get the marine hype

[queen laurel]

The setting has ale that is an a constant state of boiling and needs priest to calm it down or containers with ceramic plates so that it doesn't explodw

Oh yeah in occasion fyreslayers add lava on it

Fuckin peak

It's called magmalt

[astral burrow]

How do u drink boiling beer

[celest dome]

Be a Fyreslayer

Or ask a Priest to calm it down

[queen laurel]

F*** it we ball

Yeah this thing is also served in cities of sigmar

[astral burrow]

Priests do physics now damn

[queen laurel]

So uhh

[astral burrow]

Only for the most sigma(r) alcoholics

[crystal forum]

mulled beer was a popular drink before refrigeration

literally a heated beer

[astral burrow]

Don't think it was constantly boiling tho

[vagrant fox]

mulled wine every christmas, worst time of my life

[astral burrow]

Won't it just evaporate?

[celest dome]

No

[crystal forum]

well the art shows that half the mug is full of foam so that already doesn't look pleasant

[celest dome]

You boil it with spices and then let it cool somewhat to the temperature of coffee

[crystal forum]

looks more like it's frothing than boiling

[astral burrow]

Isn't that all fictional beer

[queen laurel]

"Magmalt is stored within special barrels to prevent the brew from exploding. The Fyreslayers themselves store them in barrels that have been marked with runic inscriptions by Zharrgrim priests that leech out some of the brew's excess heat. In the Cities of Sigmar barrels fitted with ceramic plates are used to achieve the same effect, allowing taverns to safely maintain their stock"

It's fuckin funny

[vagrant fox]

You could make a power plant out of that 🤔

[crystal forum]

the lengths the british will go to just to drink ale

[vagrant fox]

the nefarious albion does nothing sensibly

[rose thorn]

I know someone who works on the Lexi, they are just understaffed

they ahve too much content too quickly and too little people to buy all the books

[astral burrow]

I hope fandom doesn't have people wasting time updating it

[rose thorn]

The city of sigmar lex person literally works on every faction

[astral burrow]

If so they should go to lexi...

[rose thorn]

No they just use ai

Lmao

[astral burrow]

I wanna shish kebab them

[vagrant fox]

I think the names just irk me for AoS as well, it's a nothingburger gripe but it keeps tickling that part of my brain that doesn't like it

same thing as dnd homebrew does at times

[hallow basin]

I WILL name my bbeg Gorlak the Destroyer, and you can't do anything about this 😈

[vagrant fox]

i support your decision to do so

[queen laurel]

Yeah and compared to the fandom wiki

It's still getting updates

[rose thorn]

To be fair the fandom Wiki is uh

Wrong

A lot of the time

Or makes up stuff

[queen laurel]

Yeah but the part of it not getting updates is a double wami

[raven stone]

It surprises me some people do play Incursion games (1000 pts - in the UK it seems 2000 pts is the norm)
It surprises me more that GW actually bothered to update the rules for it

[arctic talon]

I more often see 1500/1750 then 1000, 2k most common though

Which is still incursion RAW

[rocky gale]

I'm currently building the Nighthaunt Spearhead

Whoever decided to put Spirit Hosts in this thing needs to be shot

It took me 3 hours to build these 3 models

That's longer than it took to build the other 30 models in the box

[storm jungle]

Busting makes them feel good I guess

[rocky gale]

Genuinly putting these into a box which is marketed to beginners is sadistic

It's like playing Jenga, except all the pieces actively hate you

[storm jungle]

But

that is literally just jenga

[raven stone]

Oh dear I was being dumb dumb then.

Still an update to a rule of two instead of a rule of three (thus also implying only 4 battleline units at most) is a big shakeup even for 2k points

Really cutting down on the spam tactics on GW side

[paper haven]

Standard operating procedure for GW

[tough haven]

Anyone here played the skalgrim mod for BFG2?

[rose thorn]

I’m so sorry for you

[astral burrow]

Just to build?!

Not even paint?!

Holy shit.

It feels like it will break if I look at it wrong

[sacred ginkgo]

Certified nighthaunts moment

[queen laurel]

night haunt moment

[sacred ginkgo]

Now imagine packing that to send it cross country

[hallow saddle]

They're bloody nice models tho

Very kool

[rose thorn]

What box was it?

Wiay are they in the spearhead

[rocky gale]

Yep

[rose thorn]

They are

The spearhead really has the worst units in the entire army-

It’s still an amazing way to start the army

I know people who bought it like 3 times

[rocky gale]

I will not be doing that

[rose thorn]

Very fair

[rocky gale]

Never want to build another Spirit Host again

[rose thorn]

Kami

Lmao*

It’s a terrible unit

So for the time being your good not to buy more

[rocky gale]

Dunno if I'd buy more Nighthaunt in general, only got the Spearhead because my local store was doing a buy 2 get one free offer on all AoS, so me and two friends got a Spearhead each and split the cost

If I was to expand them though, I'd probably get the Craven King, Craventhrone guard and some Bladegheists

[astral burrow]

Once I am more stable I wanna build a krieg army

[rose thorn]

Ooo, well points per dollar nighthaunt is the cheapest army in the game. have you seen the scourge of Ghyran stuff for NH?

[rocky gale]

Ye

For the Craven King

[cinder pivot]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/board-games/finally-some-good-news-the-worlds-only-warhammer-academic-conference-is-returning-in-september-to-present-more-talks-like-the-ethical-implications-of-the-imperiums-war-with-chaos-and-the-inverted-meaning-of-order/

https://www.youtube.com/@WarhammerConference/videos

[nocturne crest]

I wonder how many people like the thunder pattern of the space marine armour.