40k-lore-chat

[astral burrow]

I suppose it is related to the minis?

Easier to make guns when they are big blocky and not very detailed

[sacred ginkgo]

What do you know about lasgun internals

Maybe they do need to be that big

[astral burrow]

I doubt it

They fit like hundreds of shots in a tiny magazine

It can't be that hard to use that to shoot

[celest dome]

Most Combi weapon are Bolter + something, then that thing often is Plasma, melta...

[tough haven]

Thats just the aesthetic

[tough haven]

I mean it turns a battery into a death laser, maybe its gotta go through a bunch of lenses or some shit, idk

[round tartan]

Russians do it the other way around too. Rifles were easy to get a hold of cheaply, handguns not so much, so communist revolutionaries and later gangsters would modify rifles into the form factor of a pistol. Which supposedly makes for a gun that's absolutely terrible to handle, but beggars can't be choosers.

[astral burrow]

Nighty night

[opaque coyote]

The Deagle is

Extremely impractical

Heavy
And probably makes your wrists sore

[astral burrow]

This shit straight out of star wars

Too big to be pretty

It is ugly

[opaque coyote]

But God damn does it look cool

[astral burrow]

Kinda

If it was smaller sure

Giant pistols aren't cool

I like saugers

[round tartan]

The design language of both Star Wars and 40k are heavily influenced by the aesthetics of the world wars, when people used what they had and improvised what they could.

What I mean to say is those designs look clunky and heavy on purpose.

[sacred ginkgo]

Half of star wars guns are also just gun props they chopped up/glued things to

The amount of m4 based weapons is incredible

[vagrant fox]

Yea, it's old clonky weapons

[sacred ginkgo]

While watching Andor I was playing the game of “and what is their blaster built off of?”

[celest dome]

I love Lewis guns

Want one here

Squat used to have one

[sacred ginkgo]

A pistol on a table was just an m4 receiver

[sacred ginkgo]

Random aside, why are FBC rangers armed with that thing standard

[vagrant fox]

Something something the Old House doesn't like new technology

[sacred ginkgo]

They have m4’s on another table

And the hiss rangers all have rifles/smgs

[vagrant fox]

I think it's just because it looks cool with a vague hand-wavey reason

[sacred ginkgo]

But the living rangers all have the Lewis

Gods I hope Firebreak is good

[vagrant fox]

I hope so, me and my friend were going over the Sticky Ricky trailer recently

[astral burrow]

They fit so well tho

Especially the sterling

[sacred ginkgo]

I love that they made a game where “Deploy the Gnome” is a highly important callout

[astral burrow]

Just those barrel things

And that scope

Made it look completely different

[sacred ginkgo]

The funniest part about star wars guns

Is they keep all of the ballistic parts

Like gas systems, charging handles, etc

[astral burrow]

Yeah

A280s all have magazines

A280 CFE is straight up just an AR15

[sacred ginkgo]

Magazines are excusable

But like

[astral burrow]

Has the magazine, ejection port, everything

T-21 is just a Lewis gun without the magazine lmao

[sacred ginkgo]

Ejection ports? Why did they keep those

[astral burrow]

Literally nothing else changed

[sacred ginkgo]

What are you ejecting

I understand why they did it

But they can do better now

[opaque coyote]

In terms of fictional guns

I think my favorite are

The ones from Aliens

You know the ones

[astral burrow]

People we are fighting

[sacred ginkgo]

The alien marines rifle is actually alright

If really heavy

[astral burrow]

In darktide

Are they like brain washed or under control

Or just genuine heretics amplified by nurgle?

[sacred ginkgo]

Depends

[round tartan]

That's true. They picked the right designs because they look like they actually fire energy instead of bullets.

[sacred ginkgo]

It differs wildly on an individual basis

[astral burrow]

And why is nurgle fucking up with this one particular planet?

[opaque coyote]

Heretics

[astral burrow]

Doesn't he have anything better to do

[opaque coyote]

Nurgle

[astral burrow]

The Cannon fodder we are fighting

[sacred ginkgo]

This isn’t his sole focus

He’s a god

He can multitask

[opaque coyote]

He fucks multiple ones at the same time. This is just yet another one

[astral burrow]

I doubt guy with just hood and a stick is gonna rush at a psyker and an ogryn willingly

[sacred ginkgo]

My answer is unchanged

[crystal forum]

believe it or not but nurgle is not doing one single task at a time

[opaque coyote]

Tbf we are canonically built different and similar groups die

[astral burrow]

I mean the dregs

They are straight up homeless people picking up fights with literal special forces

[crystal forum]

if nurgle were to even glance at atoma it would shrivel up and spawn into a demon world

[astral burrow]

They are either fucking stupid, or under control

[opaque coyote]

The soldiers are traitor guardsmen

The dregs are the cult

They are allied together out of convenience

[astral burrow]

I rarely see them together lmao

[celest dome]

For the most part I doubt that he even pay attention to Atoma

[opaque coyote]

I FUCKING DO THAT'S FOR SURE

[crystal forum]

exactly

[astral burrow]

Rooms are either full of dregs or full of scabs

[crystal forum]

we're not fighting nurgle's best

[vagrant fox]

This is organically home-grown plague based terrorism babey

[astral burrow]

Why did the guardsmen defect? And why dont they look like the moebian whatever?

[celest dome]

Fae Krait is really the only way thing make sense

[astral burrow]

I never fought those blue armored guys we can get the outfits of

[celest dome]

Cause their are battle worn

[sacred ginkgo]

Nox alpha was a fucking shithole and they wanted out

[astral burrow]

They look like fucking cloakers from payday 2

Not like guardsmen

[celest dome]

The blue armour are either the 21st or the marching armours

[vagrant fox]

Speaking of Aliens franchise, I've been playing Fireteam Elite recently and the guns are wacky. I kinda like them

[astral burrow]

Especially crushers and stuff

Why did the guard have crushers

[crystal forum]

north korea taking notes

[celest dome]

Cause the IG use melee units too

[astral burrow]

Aliens as in xenomorph?

[celest dome]

It's 40k

[round tartan]

Don't underestimate how dank Nurgle's farts are. You've seen how they fight twice as hard when they get hit by a tox cloud.

[sacred ginkgo]

Ogryn axulia attachment

There’s clearly a large local population

[astral burrow]

Wow

[celest dome]

If you're not a Tau you're going to have some idea toward fighting in melee

[celest dome]

Some bits and bobs point to there being a lot of Vat grown Ogryn in the Moebian domain

[sacred ginkgo]

They also might’ve been standard ogryn guard units before going traitor

[vagrant fox]

just like that one game where north korea sold guns to the world and then hacked them all

[astral burrow]

I wish the common scabs looked more like guardsmen tho and not fucking Sam Fisher

[crystal forum]

what drugs are you taking

[sacred ginkgo]

And were up-armored and rearmed for city fighting

[astral burrow]

Which one

[celest dome]

It's the green lenses I think

It's Fae Krait

[crystal forum]

i dislike this new arrival

[astral burrow]

They look straight out of splinter cell

[opaque coyote]

Easy

Cause they were sent out to fight some nebulous force with zero detail. Got PTSD, possibly got corrupted, and realized the only way out is to rebel

[astral burrow]

Bro...

I been here for 12 days

How the fuck have I been here for 2 weeks

[sacred ginkgo]

The 6th are the local golden kids

[astral burrow]

holy shit

I thought it has been a week

Fuck

[sacred ginkgo]

They were the best of the moebian locals and were equipped as such

[astral burrow]

Where is time going

[opaque coyote]

Basically I actually like the 6th's story due to how it would inevitably happen.

Like of course veterans would be dissatisfied

Especially in the fucking IMPERIUM

And of course, we unfortunately already treat veterans like trash

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah and they got sent to die in the local ultra shithole

[opaque coyote]

So the worst regime of mankind would obviously boil up resentment from veterans and somdiers

[astral burrow]

I need a lore video on what the fuck is going on in darktide

I have no idea what is what

[sacred ginkgo]

6th got sent to a death world

They hated it

Wolfer got a weird advisor who was probably a cultist

They converted him

[crystal forum]

wolfer took 2 years to advance his plot

he's cooking

[astral burrow]

And do we get to see any of that happen?

[sacred ginkgo]

The traitor 6th could better survive nox alpha and killed the loyalists

Then they came back to Tertium under the flag of loyalists after a victory

They got inside

Fortified

[opaque coyote]

Skulls throughout the levels aling with auxillary videos and voxes

[sacred ginkgo]

And ran trains of the walking pox in

[celest dome]

The traitor were already present and linked up with the Dregs before being sent to Nox Alpha

[astral burrow]

I want more cinematics

[crystal forum]

yooo that's the game intro

[astral burrow]

Maybe from trailers or whatever

[crystal forum]

the intro that plays every time you open the game

[opaque coyote]

I gotta admit, man made one of the hardest sounding speeches in my opinion

[astral burrow]

Turn that off

If u want

[opaque coyote]

"WE ARE YOUR SONS. WE ARE YOUR DAUGHTERS. WE HAVE COME HOME."

[crystal forum]

satan give me strength

[vagrant fox]

It's no Scholar Visari but it's good

[astral burrow]

We are random prisoners they send to work cuz no manpower

Do we even get paid

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

[astral burrow]

I never saw my reject eat

[crystal forum]

do you play the game

[sacred ginkgo]

Dockets

[opaque coyote]

@astral burrow https://youtu.be/24sQfj4kYTQ?si=q5b3Tiq6J1x3XHBJ

[crystal forum]

like genuinely

[sacred ginkgo]

Think

For like 2 seconds

[astral burrow]

That could easily just be gameplay stuff

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s money

[astral burrow]

Well I use it all on guns and shit

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s just used for gameplay stuff

[astral burrow]

Not good

Food

Or clothes

Or any necessities

[sacred ginkgo]

Guns are more important

By far

[astral burrow]

U can't shoot if you are hungry

If I get rich enough can I overthrow Zola

Or just, leave?

[sacred ginkgo]

“Faith powers a body” - Fanatic

[astral burrow]

Bro is NOT a biomancer

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I can imagine we actually got bunks and meals

We just don't see it cause we're too busy shooting

And besides that would be boring

Why see character eat when you can shoot heretics

[vagrant fox]

If they added grimpoker I'd play it in the recreational quarters

[astral burrow]

Fun

I like it

Add a vending machine

[crystal forum]

are you a poker fan

[astral burrow]

With a janky eating animation

[vagrant fox]

I play Tower Unite just to feel the rush of gambling

[astral burrow]

Deep rock has a bar

Why don't we have a bar

Or a dance floor

I want a bar

[vagrant fox]

Doing it with real money was a bad idea

[opaque coyote]

To be honest I do kinda wish we got bunks that get more extravagant the more we rank up

Until level 30 where it basically becomes an actual proper room

[crystal forum]

that's why you do it irl instead so you can beat up the winner and take the money sigsen

[astral burrow]

There is space for more rooms really

[crystal forum]

online gambling is for suckers

[astral burrow]

Or hell, give us another floor

Mourningstar is huge

[vagrant fox]

In Tower Unite I get to dress up like Miku and gamble and use machines money-free

[astral burrow]

Why don't the scabs just, attack the mourningstar? They got the entire planet, surely they have some anti air

[crystal forum]

you can do that irl too

[vagrant fox]

If I had the figure

[astral burrow]

Miku doesn't have much figure

[crystal forum]

im sure you're slim and not an alcoholic pot belly

[vagrant fox]

plus isn't Miku like 240 cm tall I'm not that tall

[astral burrow]

She has twintails longer than her and is flat as a cutting board

[opaque coyote]

They don't got the whole planet

[astral burrow]

And sounds like a tech priest with asthma

[opaque coyote]

It's contested ground pretty much

Some parts are infected while other parts are fine

[vagrant fox]

plus no one knows how to sing along to Kenny Winker in real life

[opaque coyote]

Essentially it's still a battleground

And people are still living in it

[vagrant fox]

Hoping we get to take a stroll outside the Hive like that one picture some day

[opaque coyote]

It would be fitting for 40k if we got like

A level where the Cultists attack a factory while there's still people

And you can shoot the workers with only some like

Verbal condemnation from Hadron

And even then it would be like

[astral burrow]

Insults from hadron?

Yeah no russian time

[vagrant fox]

The workers are probably tainted, the Emperor can sort them out in death

[astral burrow]

Idk, he is a busy man

[opaque coyote]

"Varlets, focus on the task at hand, let the inquisition take care of the rest.'

Something like that

[astral burrow]

Tell that woman I am the inquisition now

Why do people say hadron is cute

I can't see her face

Or... Anything at all

She just looks like a generic tech priest with a fully cybernetic face

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but it'd be similar to say "let your coworkers take care of it, focus on your own part"

Because you gotta take back the valuable property

Still though it would be funny to be able to friendly fire workers

And just have the characters be non-chalant/annoyed

Because 40k

Would also be an obstacle as well

Because they could absorb your shots while running away

So if a mutant is charging at you and a worker takes your bullets instead of the mutant

Well

You'll get a taste of the wall

[round tartan]

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but I always thought the designs in Darktide took a bit too much influence from Kerberos Panzer Cops. On both sides, at that - it's not just the scabs, it's the guys on our side too, and the cosmetics you earn from playing Havoc.

[round tartan]

SATAN I HAVE DONE SO MANY EVIL DEEDS
YOU OWE ME

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-gif-2050801210200914046

me rocking up to the probably tainted workers

I want to look more kerberos while doing it, get on it fatshark

[celest dome]

The Moebian are based on the Blackstone fortress Traitor Guardsmen

[round tartan]

Which doesn't disprove visual influence. The Kerberos Saga dates back to the 1980s.

[storm jungle]

They really arent imo

Kerberos got a way more distinct look

the Blackstone fortress traitor guard are just more disheveled looking Cadians with chaotic touches

[late osprey]

i dont know about "too much", Edgy Gasmask Trooper has taken on a life of its own as an aesthetic motif by this point

because Edgy Gasmask Trooper looks cool

[round tartan]

I think it is. Not that it's a bad thing. 40k was always about ripping off other stuff and making a jolly old pot of soup of it.

[late osprey]

"too much" implied its a bad thing is what i was responding to

[round tartan]

I suppose it's an error on my part as well. It makes perfect sense that the traitors would wear the same armor as the loyalists.

[nocturne crest]

I've got to ask, but what are the chance another chaos cult pops up, but of a different god?

[crystal forum]

lore wise or game wise

[late osprey]

lorewise it really is quite possible

[crystal forum]

chaos often arrives in unorganized groups of different worshipers

[round tartan]

Not high. They're all more or less antagonistic towards each other since they all have different goals. However some alliances are mutually beneficial, like how the Eldar and Imperium sometimes work together.

[nocturne crest]

Either?

[crystal forum]

probably not game wise

[late osprey]

chaos thrives on chaos, pun intended

[celest dome]

It would require that said group has been present on Atoma since the start and just now join the fray (and the weirdness of having 2 Nurglite faction and 1 other)

[late osprey]

when the imperium's order is shaken, the ability for other cultists to make their moves is a lot more likely

[celest dome]

And depend on whether or not they make them ally or enemies

[vagrant fox]

There might be a fledling cult or something but the established Nurgle cults would probably squash any treat to their dominance

[storm jungle]

Also even same god cults interfight too lol

[late osprey]

hive cities are big enough that multiple cults having existing together, sometimes without even being aware of each other, are hardly impossible

although the specific hive city we're fighting in is probably all nurgle territory by this point

that doesn't mean other cults can't also make moves

[crystal forum]

the lore chat tradition of taking a question and going into a completely different direction

[storm jungle]

Shut up furry

[crystal forum]

it's beautiful

[late osprey]

and especially as the Dregs are doing their weird chaos magic

that just opens the door for other daemons to interlope

[vagrant fox]

warhams is too loosey goosey, like how Mr Hands was loose

[crystal forum]

is mister hands the person who touched you

[celest dome]

*can infight
Doesn't mean it happen each time.
Tbh the only way I would see new faction happen is if ||Be'lakor|| is pulling the strings and that the Scab return to Undivided in a certain sense

[round tartan]

Don't you find it extremely ironic that it's sometimes the most organized systems that are the most chaotic? Take the bureaucratic system for instance. It's supposed to be all about robust standards being enforced in a consistent manner, but in reality it's just a crapshoot about whether anything ever moves forward.

[vagrant fox]

no that was an inuit and he only beat me

[storm jungle]

It all comes down to the fact that humans are stupid

[late osprey]

belakor isn't the only undivided in the universe

[storm jungle]

STOP SAYING SCABS ARE UNDIVIDED

IM GOING INSANE

[celest dome]

I didn't say they were though

[storm jungle]

Too late

the post must be made

[celest dome]

Return to Undivided imply they aren't

[late osprey]

its hardly outside the bounds of possibility (though probably to dilara's chagrin) that behind all of the cults there's some word bearer marine going "IT WAS ME, CHAOS MARINE, THE WHOLE TIME"

[vagrant fox]

All we need is a Khorne faction, then, let me play as them

[celest dome]

Tide community and reading comprehension innit

[late osprey]

alright hear me out, ideas guy mode

FPS extraction shooter where you're chaos blasters

[celest dome]

No
100 % no

[vagrant fox]

Isn't it a whole Word Bearers schtick, not that I want it to happen

[late osprey]

?

[celest dome]

No Space Marine

In or around Darktide

[late osprey]

many chaos cults get their start from CSM Green Berets, yeah

in terms of lore

word bearers are iirc the most famous for it but it's pretty common across the entirety of the Long War

[storm jungle]

Its their schtick but theres plenty of stories without the involvement of CSM usually

its largely a marketing forcement thing lol

[vagrant fox]

As we've learnt recently, meme lore is now real lore

[late osprey]

its not even meme lore, word bearers being chaos means they're mercifully spared from most space marine memelorers

other than magnus thanks to TTS

[crystal forum]

praise TTS

[vagrant fox]

death to TTS mashallah

[crystal forum]

making dumb characters likeable

[late osprey]

TTS was the ultimate monolith to memelore

[crystal forum]

and yet it still had good writing!!!

i dont tolerate TTS slander for community reasons

[late osprey]

i felt that it insists upon itself

[vagrant fox]

It's been a long contiuous torture from 4chan memery directly into TTS and then the reddit assery

I will never be a free man

[storm jungle]

Im legit glad Alfa and his team put it on hiatus

Hunter is so fucking good

[crystal forum]

name 4 characters

[storm jungle]

Where

[crystal forum]

hunter

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Occam, Markus, Shitbeard, Reynauld

[vagrant fox]

also this is probably the best thing about this very mediocre warbond, I like it

[crystal forum]

you remember all those but not door

[vagrant fox]

Super Earth can't make shit good

[storm jungle]

I do

I just dont like Door

lmao

[crystal forum]

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

I should give Hunter a chance, probably

WoD is full of lameo weirdos anyway

[crystal forum]

the mag release?

[vagrant fox]

Yeah the weld-on isn't very polished so to me it comes across as a bit of a rushed job to get it out quick

[late osprey]

was borealecast the greatest zenith of comedy ever conceived?

[crystal forum]

like lore wise?

[vagrant fox]

who knows, not me

[crystal forum]

wait you're not a welder type guy or something queer along those lines are you

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-nl-ennelle-bald-man-gif-9647300573467917227

[storm jungle]

Highly recommend it

it also is made in a way that like you can watch it without knowing much about WoD

Alfa and Co. made that clear, and if you watch it knowing WoD you can wojak point

its that sort of show

[vagrant fox]

is it owod or nwod

[storm jungle]

Uhhh I cant remember I THINK they use interchangably?

Because Paradox actually sponsors them lol

[vagrant fox]

zamn

It sounds like the one that passed of the chechen gay progroms as vampires messing around version

[storm jungle]

Nah none of that shit.

Alfa's team is like extremely queer

they'd never use that stuff

[vagrant fox]

Nah that's just nWoD, it's not very good imho

But I'll watch it

[storm jungle]

Uh before you watch id pass this

https://youtu.be/0h1U-_JFAS8

its 47m but REALLY well done

probably a good guide-intropiece before you start off

the first 1-2 eps are rough animation/look wise but it instantly picks up

[vagrant fox]

Yeah I'm a big fan of WoD, lets have a go

[storm jungle]

🫡

[vagrant fox]

Funniest thing is having this very punk and anti-establishment setting and then having the funny culture warriors chuds clinging to it

[storm jungle]

Damn almost sounds familiar

oh yeah

[vagrant fox]

also didn't Morrow at some point in Darktide, say something like "waa waa waa stop whinging"

I haven't heard it in forever

[median star]

did the eldar ever have any specific interactions or opinions on primarchs outside of gulliman that arent just "hm big monki interesting"

[storm jungle]

Its in the plasma generator map

"Whinge whinge whinge, stow it"

[storm jungle]

They dont give a shit about primarchs so no.

Next question.

[median star]

whats 2+9

[storm jungle]

Whats 2 + 2

[median star]

thank you grok very cool

[storm jungle]

You said it first. Perish.

Anyway next question.

[median star]

whats this machines manufacturer

[storm jungle]

It creates pain.

Next question.

[median star]

no grok not purpose

[storm jungle]

Stop speaking orkish

[vagrant fox]

Is it just that, I so clearly remember a "waa waa waa" early on in Darktide but I suppose I made it up

[storm jungle]

Nah yeah its whinge whinge

I use it a lot and even got a sticker for it so its memorised for me lol

[vagrant fox]

forever disappointed

[median star]

my favorite darktide reactionary

[storm jungle]

My dad when he finds out im bisexual

(im about to be disowned 🇹🇷 )

[median star]

tragic

we need more rannick one liners

[sacred ginkgo]

Violence now is still the best line in the game

[crystal forum]

she didn't mention boer killings so she's better than grok

[storm jungle]

lmao WHAT

[vagrant fox]

when the veteran shouts there is only war i always pog

[median star]

forgot abour this one that is goated

[vagrant fox]

Apparently Grok is on a whole Boer killings thing

[vagrant fox]

Fuck if I know, I refuse to even look at xitter

[sacred ginkgo]

"Strike Team, violence, now please"

[crystal forum]

this is real

grok will mention this no matter what you input

[storm jungle]

💀

[raven stone]

Well that is one lame way to write an AI…

Unless you mean to tell me that is an actual human.

[crystal forum]

musk inserted it for some recent political thing that nobody gives a shit about anymore

[median star]

it because he perceives himself as apart of said boers

[crystal forum]

he's south african

[storm jungle]

Explains a lot

piece of shit lol

[crystal forum]

and suddenly he cares about south africa

[storm jungle]

Hes the type of guy to defend something like rhodesia so it wouldnt surprise me tbh

[vagrant fox]

Everything he's doing is revenge for the sundering of the apartheid state 100%

this is my crackpot theory

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside i wouldnt say revenge but he absolutely would look at that

and be like

"Hm yes the issue is the black people surely"

[crystal forum]

also he has been completely radio silent about this

[storm jungle]

Yeah I wonder who drove them to this state

Hmmmmmm

[vagrant fox]

the anglos

and americans are anglos

[storm jungle]

correct lmao

[vagrant fox]

destroy america

[crystal forum]

we can see grok live being tailored to generate subtle white supremacist responses

[opaque coyote]

Poor Grok

Consistently being hijacked with white supremacy bullshit

Despite it's best efforts to actually be a decent AI

[vagrant fox]

We just need a butlerian jihad

[crystal forum]

and mind you that kids these days use AI as their source of information for literally everything

we're 1984'ing ourselves

[round tartan]

breaks ur iPhone
heh... that's a good start...

[opaque coyote]

"Elon please, I already said 10 slurs today. No more."

"Not enough. It's time for your 732rd lobotomization."

[vagrant fox]

Honestly, I want to get rid of my phone

[opaque coyote]

Seriously I think it's funny as shit that

[vagrant fox]

but it's also a shitty android

[opaque coyote]

Elon literally had to create new fucking iterations of Grok

Because it wasn't racist enough

It kept saying shit that MAGA didn't want to hear

[round tartan]

like what

[vagrant fox]

The purity of the machine, incorruptible, shackled to the most trivial nonsense

[crystal forum]

it's just being developed

[opaque coyote]

"Gay people aren't bad."

[crystal forum]

it will be racist enough for him one day

and people will use it for information

[opaque coyote]

"Vaccines don't cause autism"

Y'know

Actual logical shit

[round tartan]

I don't understand the infatuation with AI to begin with. You can tell a machine to say anything and it will.

[opaque coyote]

Provided that Deepseek and GPT doesn't blow it off the water

Because people want their AI to actually be good

[crystal forum]

dude he owns the government

he could make grok the only legal AI in the US

[raven stone]

did you truly expect the MAGA crowd to have high standards

[vagrant fox]

Yeah I don't know, it's just a shitty tool with some novel uses. It just regurgitates the info someone wants it to

[opaque coyote]

Wouldn't be the first hypocritical thing he did.

In fact, we're actually behind on the electronic car market. China is already ahead

[crystal forum]

what kind of barometer would that be using

tf does ahead mean

[raven stone]

Trade wars aside, his tariffs are just his way of attempting to force factories back into the US

Attempt being the key word.

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-running-run-leave-quick-gif-25686144

[crystal forum]

there are three sides
-people who think trump does what he says
-people who think trump is smarter than his words
-people who think trump has no clue what he's doing or saying

[round tartan]

It might work, if given a 20 year plan to do it gradually. But it won't since Trump is doing all of it at a time and changing his mind every other day.

[vagrant fox]

That's a whole lot of labour that needs to be trained up even if the factories come back

My friend recently had to go through some whole process in Sweden being taught by the one of three guys left who could even do that

just to solder some shitty chips

[crystal forum]

i'm working at a big electronics american company and we're the only plant in the world making this hardware for them

in canada

[storm jungle]

Peacemaker showing up to a Black Templar convention? Damn I missed that in Season 1

[opaque coyote]

Probably because it's a neat tool that can become even greater.

The possibilities are interesting.

Also @crystal forum

Generally in terms of sales BYD outsold Tesla and Volkswagen.

Also unlike Tesla they actually fucking sell cars that work instead of whatever the fuck the Cybertruck is

Problem is that Chinese car companies aren't exactly allowed in the USA.

[crystal forum]

bruh no shit they sold more. there's billions of chinese people

i thought you meant tech wise

and tesla isn't the only western company making electric cars

i wouldn't trust a chinese car to not explode on me

[vagrant fox]

I think the MG4 is selling a lot in Europe as well, some Chinese or another company

[opaque coyote]

Yeah in general I think China has taken over the Electric Car market

Except in the USA but that's literally because it's banned

[vagrant fox]

Teslas have virtually vanished, it's kind of funny. I used to see a lot and now I see one regularly

[round tartan]

BYD's cars are more popular than Tesla because their cars are very affordable in comparison.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah you see

For that to happen, it requires a lot of trust and diplomatic expertise.

...

Trump doesn't have that.

[languid meadow]

Also here in Canada since we have 100% tariffs on em because the US said we had to

[opaque coyote]

I wish I rarely saw cybertrucks

But no

Kinda common place

God I just want to

[languid meadow]

Despite all my rage

[opaque coyote]

Fucking vandalize them

[vagrant fox]

Big fan that it's illegal here

[opaque coyote]

It's like an urge

[crystal forum]

i just flip them off

and i actually do that i'm not being a redditor

i see them rarely enough

[opaque coyote]

Also the amount of money needed to refurbish and restart factories would be a lot

[crystal forum]

i also drive close to them to set off their crash detector

very close

[languid meadow]

Only ever seen one and it instantly ruined my day

[opaque coyote]

Since we haven't really done a lot of manufacturing ourselves for decades

[crystal forum]

hah shitty oil based province

99% renewable in this coast boy

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-squarepants-angry-ripping-gif-25651719

[crystal forum]

all hydro

[languid meadow]

GIVE ME YOUR HYDRO

[vagrant fox]

I knew a native from Alberta, he was a nice guy

[crystal forum]

internal trade barriers say no

[vagrant fox]

We talked at length about shoes

[languid meadow]

Oh yeah I forgot we need to have our 13 little fiefdoms

[crystal forum]

Canada cucking itself to please our landlords the US

finally changing slowly

[crystal forum]

come to montreal

[vagrant fox]

is it true that drugfiends stalk the streets of little towns in ontario like it's the walking dead

[languid meadow]

Depends on what happens in the near future

[crystal forum]

yes we have to carry shotguns to kill the homeless zombies

[vagrant fox]

My friend regularly gets accosted by druggies on the way to his local Tim Hortons

Someone did karate at him once

[languid meadow]

But thankfully I live in the more normal place and not bumfuck nowhere av

[crystal forum]

jokes aside that's just the regular big city experience

people just love to hate toronto which is valid

[vagrant fox]

My friend lives in North Bay and it sounds like it's halfway to a zombie apocalypse

[crystal forum]

ontario is terrible

[languid meadow]

Have you finished andor

[storm jungle]

I have last night, finished Rogue One today with my friend after wrapping it up

https://tenor.com/view/cassian-andor-jyn-erso-rogue-one-die-explosion-gif-7384079

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1372657479296614522/the-end-is-nigh-v0-169tb169ch0f1.webp?ex=68279265&is=682640e5&hm=376bffac5ede4afc12b6faa1418a40fed9d7b34d9ee453eba66b82e1d1029762&

[languid meadow]

Ok so I have an image let me get it

[vagrant fox]

😔

[storm jungle]

Feels bad man

[languid meadow]

Andor SPOILERS beware

[opaque coyote]

As an American

Uh

Sorry for fucking you over currently

[storm jungle]

GOD

THAT TOUCH

[vagrant fox]

I plan on never visiting

[crystal forum]

what does that have to do with hydro

[opaque coyote]

Actually kinda feel a bit sad since historically Canada and the USA have been buds for a while

[opaque coyote]

Nothing

[languid meadow]

Gonna start using this as a reaction image (more spoilers)

[opaque coyote]

Just had to say it

[storm jungle]

the way he poked her head/grabbed it like that legit made me feel ill, Mendelson is such a good fucking actor dude

[crystal forum]

we built our own dam hydro

[storm jungle]

also I THINK it was improv'd

which makes it even better

[crystal forum]

and we sell our excess to new york

[vagrant fox]

Krennic was a great character, great baddie

[storm jungle]

we do know Mendelson legit loves playing Krennic so it would add up, guy literally said "Fuck yeah lets do it" when he was asked for S2 lol

[crystal forum]

is he gay

[storm jungle]

he has a cape

so yes

[languid meadow]

The one big plus recently is that the new gobment is more pro nuclear

Yippie

[crystal forum]

my hero

[languid meadow]

He's fruity yea

[crystal forum]

actor or character

[languid meadow]

Krennic (the character) is a bit fruity

[storm jungle]

Also my favorite shot of the entire last episode i think

All that for nothing.

Peak fascism showcase lol

[languid meadow]

Girl bossed too hard

Also

[storm jungle]

[languid meadow]

Posting spoilers with no spoiler

Smh

[crystal forum]

actor not gay. fake shit

[storm jungle]

Its spoilered.

[vagrant fox]

I had that spoiled for me just before I watched the episode, it was wild

Still effective

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-orson-krennic-andor-pleased-delighted-gif-284138968272202426

[languid meadow]

Not for me wtf

[scenic bolt]

that touch was apparently improv from the commentary track

[storm jungle]

Same but it was from me clicking on a spoiler on this chat and ngl while I KNEW it was coming seeing it legit made it better

[storm jungle]

Yeah checks out

[scenic bolt]

so the reaction from dedra being a little shocked was legit

[storm jungle]

I still cannot believe

she voices Yennefer

the contrast is insane lmfao

[vagrant fox]

It was almost like when someone is so frustrated with a pet and they just grab it and hold

[storm jungle]

^

also that poke ontop of the head

legit humiliating lol

if someone did that to me while berating me + I couldnt do anything id probably lose it too

[scenic bolt]

like the guy could have her executed that second if he wanted

[languid meadow]

It's so funny he's acting like this when rogue one is Literally like 2 days away

[storm jungle]

YEP

And there he gets berated by Tarkin/Vader

[vagrant fox]

The whole sequence of events is pretty funny

[storm jungle]

theres always a bigger fish

[storm jungle]

its why I loved the way it was shot

where you cant see krennic's head above the frame

it legit felt offputting

[scenic bolt]

thank god they never went hard on the remember-this shit that the other SW series leans into

[storm jungle]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/atst-rogue-one-star-wars-star-wars-gif-25085798

I SAW A JEDI AND I CLAPPED!

[scenic bolt]

irrc that clip was over the rogue one review

[storm jungle]

SPACE MARINES! I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!

Wait nvm wrong franchise

[languid meadow]

Need me more walkers in love action

[storm jungle]

it was lmao

[vagrant fox]

Back to fuckin Favreau and Filion and Abrams slop

[storm jungle]

I DONT WANT IT

LEMME OUT

[languid meadow]

You know what I'm not changing that typo Fuck it

[vagrant fox]

by the way that croissant alien was a force user all along and we're back to square one

[scenic bolt]

the true sequel to andor is michael clayton

[languid meadow]

I love the grandma alien

[vagrant fox]

The what was pretty funny

[languid meadow]

"what?"

[arctic talon]

Me when I see K2SO using someone’s dead body as a human shield tbh

[storm jungle]

"Are you with us?"

"No."

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-building-throw-throw-away-eiji-hino-gif-20195508

[vagrant fox]

Ok it's a genuinely good intro to wod and they're unfortunately right about my most beloved demon the fallen

But man I love demon the fallen

I would argue that nwod narrative unfortunately tends to mediocrely waft cool ideas around regarding the meta narrative but that's subjective and it's reasonable to not bring it up

[storm jungle]

Yeah unfortunately the curse of being written by weird white guys

[vagrant fox]

sad but true

[median star]

off topic but best hero in battlefront one aswell smh

revolver blaster ftw

[crystal forum]

off topic, banned

this channel is only on topic always

[umbral steeple]

Why does all psyker voice in the game are pretty young? I wish there can elder voices

[arctic talon]

Psykers tend to die young

And also

I’d say all the voices in Darktide are young

[dapper gyro]

Nah vet voices are kind of mid 30-40.

[arctic talon]

Eh

That’s fair

[dapper gyro]

None of them sound old like 50+ with 40 years of smoking old associated with 40k though.

[arctic talon]

But in that case I’d say the uh

Female Seer

Is on the older side then

But I wouldn’t call anyone below 60 like “elder” age wise

[dapper gyro]

Female psyker voices are all sound hysterical, whick put them on a wider age range.

[arctic talon]

I’d say savant sounds like

20-30’s

Anyways point being none of the rejects voice wise sound like they belong in a retirement home

psykers also like are stereotypically young often times

Or old as shit

[queen laurel]

the vets and ogryns were probably drafted at a pretty young age

[arctic talon]

Middle aged psykers are rare in books it feels

[dapper gyro]

There are some in between... But they are borderline servitors...

[arctic talon]

Either that or I need to read more Psyker stuff

[umbral steeple]

well in that case it is warhammer

prob 99% of the people dies before 25

[arctic talon]

No but like psykers even more so

[shadow plover]

Holy shit THAT'S why she sounded so familiar

[umbral steeple]

why

Oh right being possessed by demons and die

[dapper gyro]

Not even. The Imperium fear mongers would kill them most of the time, or harvest them for the golden throne.

[shadow plover]

and untrained ones tend to overextend themselves and burn out

[slow roost]

So I'm learning that The Warp can cause Time Travel right?

What's the furthest someone traveled back in time in 40k canonically? I know of the Nightlord going forward in time but not back in time

[dapper gyro]

There is that one Ork warboss who travelled back in time, kills his old self then took the the weapon of his old self, which btw he also has his own. Therefore, he has the perfect copy and dual weld them.

How does it work??? I don't know. I did not create such story.

[shadow plover]

Going back in time is a lot more rare it feels like

no idea what's the furthest someone has been sent back

there are instances during there heresy where people see glimpses of the time when the Primarchs are being created

there's that one Knight house who are declared traitors and they escape to the eye of terror, once they emerged again, it was in the past and they themselves cause the accusations against them to rise up, kicking off the cycle once more

[queen laurel]

yeah Grizgutz uh

Tried to launch an invasion but instead is passage in the warp catapulted him back in time

[storm jungle]

the contrast between her voicing a hot seductive sorceress and a fascist imperial officer is actually crazy range lol

[astral burrow]

Is this... Who I think it is?

[astral burrow]

As if the imperial officer isn't also hot

[crystal forum]

warham sandwich

[near wasp]

Good morning yall

[hallow basin]

it's always morning somewhere

[crystal forum]

always a good excuse to eat maple sausage

[sly ivy]

How’d u know I was Canadian born

[umbral steeple]

Why do sister of battle have white hair?

Do they only hire albinos or some gene stuff

like vulcano space marines turn black after seeded

[near wasp]

They dye it

[queen laurel]

they dye it

[umbral steeple]

no way

is that the real reason?

[near wasp]

Yeah to emulate saint alisha

[plush mason]

not all of them do, only the order of our martyred lady dye their fair white in reverence to the order's founder who's hair was bleached white when she meet the emperor

[queen laurel]

they do it to honor a particular member that met the emperor

and her hair turning white

[soft thunder]

not all have white hair

[plush mason]

said sisterhood is the face of the factions though so you see them the most often

[umbral steeple]

anxity of meeting people to do make you age fast

[celest dome]

Only certain Sister Covent do

[umbral steeple]

I legit never see any other sisters, other than sister of sliece

(I like the funny sign language at x4 speed)

[celest dome]

Sister of Silence are a separate thing

[plush mason]

our martyred lady is the ultramarines of SOB

[queen laurel]

That's a different group of people

[celest dome]

ISn't there a SoB order where their hairs a blood red ?

[plush mason]

i know there is one with red armor

[umbral steeple]

damn, I would love to see those

[umbral steeple]

In a universe with people that just grow wings and become vampire, having dyes being the reason of exotic color hair it is both the most sensible answer and non-sensible answer

[plush mason]

well its not like all of them could be taken to have a 1 on 1 vist with the emperor

[umbral steeple]

I was legit expecting some kind of gene seed to be the reason of white hair

[near wasp]

They are just normal humans

[umbral steeple]

(and the ability to casusally use bolter)

[plush mason]

SOB arent gene enhanced

[near wasp]

They wear power armor

[umbral steeple]

oh

[plush mason]

yes so do many other rich humans in the imperium

[umbral steeple]

so they are like what power level space marine would operate if they don't have augs?

[plush mason]

and the SOB are funded by the cult and its bottomless treasuries

[plush mason]

basically, most SM equipment is just a scaled up version of normal human equipment

[raven stone]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
I can't focus on a Friday...

[umbral steeple]

so money is the source of their badassery

just like batman

[plush mason]

money and faith yes

mainly the faith

[raven stone]

Money gives SoB their equipment

But their battlefield staying power is, indeed, 100% faith

As Horus Heresy shows, power armor is useless

If you are a wimp

And flee at overwhelming odds

[plush mason]

yeah

[umbral steeple]

that is oddly specific

[queen laurel]

yeah it's the order of the bloody rose

[plush mason]

love their armor

[umbral steeple]

It is red!

[soft thunder]

Order of the sacred rose has white armor i think? They had a really cool book cover w/ orange lighting that I can't find

[umbral steeple]

I love those age of sigmar guy with white armor

saw their minis before

white coat with bottom being tainted blood red

[raven stone]

Had to use Horus Heresy as reference because in the Horus Heresy system, the Space Marines can fail a leadership check and end up running off the battlefield (unlike their 40k era counterpart)

[plush mason]

the SOB have a thing for roses dont they

[umbral steeple]

would be funny if half of them never saw an actual rose

[umbral steeple]

and SOB are unbreakable?

[plush mason]

they dont have the religious death cult zealotry yet

[plush mason]

they didnt exist at the time of the horus heresy

[umbral steeple]

oh

uhhhhhh

[raven stone]

Yea, was just using that as an example of equipment =/= willpower

[umbral steeple]

that is true

(me looking at my skavens with minigun being routed from some weird looking corpse)

[plush mason]

that aspect of the skaven will never be topped imo, everyone else is renaissance level of tech at most and there they are with miniguns and nukes

[umbral steeple]

It won't, that would be like allowing dwarf to run as fast as demonettes

wait a minute....

[astral burrow]

Zealots really grew on me

Or people who think nothing but emperor in general

[soft thunder]

pump those dwarfen legs!

[celest dome]

Dwarfs do have clatter guns though

[raven stone]

I am curious, how did that happen?

[astral burrow]

By just playing zealot lol

[plush mason]

true

[astral burrow]

It is fun to hear now

And argenta isn't that bad

Gets less annoying the more I learn about 40k

[raven stone]

I will be honest, Fatshark did good writing on how to bend Zealot voice lines back into being more accepting of Psykers and Ogryns

In a way that is still high fidelity to lore

[umbral steeple]

"Saved by you? I am DAMNED!"

[astral burrow]

And praising the son of cadia

Like if you play zealot veteran has that specific voice he praises

Whenever I go down as zealot my guy sounds so mad and judgy and demanding I feel bad

[raven stone]

...most of the time, admittedly 😅

[raven stone]

40k is one of those settings where things that look ill suited to 21st Century views slowly makes more in-universe sense, the more you learn the lore.

[crystal forum]

no matter how wacky 40k gets sometimes, always remember that somewhere in the galaxy there's a munitorum clerk drinking recaff while looking at his emails

[astral burrow]

Right?

Imagine being an office worker in 40k bruh

Go die for the emperor or smth it is fun

[soft thunder]

going through the darktide lore and ya, 1/3 of Atoma's population are desk jockeys of some kind lol Thats 30 billion office workers on Atoma alone, gotta be at least one

[raven stone]

Vet's reaction to Hive cities makes it clear Guard life is potentially better no matter how horrible enemies are

[soft thunder]

agitator zealot was 100% a desk jockey

[raven stone]

With the sad irony they bought into the propaganda 100% only because that was his procrastination reading (and only reading available really...)

[astral burrow]

What exactly is a hive city anyway

How is it any different than just imperial world

[umbral steeple]

It must look British

[astral burrow]

How

[astral burrow]

That looks more japanese than British

[raven stone]

@storm jungle oh Necromunda expert, I summon thee to explain Hive cities in depth XD

[umbral steeple]

what no way

It looks totally british!

[astral burrow]

Mo

No

Necromunda game is like, cyberpunk for 40k?

[raven stone]

It is also a Hive city

And Cyberpunk is one smaller potential aspect of a Hive City

The slightly longer but still simplified explanation...imagine a horribly overpopulated city

[umbral steeple]

From my gameplay experience, a hive city looks like cyberpunk, armor core, ghost runner and british

[raven stone]

That only grows upwards

The poor often live at the bottom, almost permanently trapped indoors without ever seeing the sky

The rulers live higher up

[plush mason]

the clue is in the name itself, imagine a termite hive made of metal that reaches up into space

they are also often built in clusters

[raven stone]

The outdoor bits we do see are a bit of an exception I think - spaceport and maintenance classes that need external access and exposure, but are still part of the "dirt poor"

[umbral steeple]

why does it only goes upward though

aren't costs for building increase exponentially if you go upward

[astral burrow]

I meant the game

[raven stone]

Usually this is because they started out as mining facilities and such.

That, or Hive cities are found on planets where spreading horizontally is useless because everywhere else is a wasteland.

[astral burrow]

Is that game like cyberpunk 2077 but 40k?

[umbral steeple]

why not like, build horizontally

[raven stone]

The Necromunda TT is kind of gang levels skirmish

[astral burrow]

There is a video game

[raven stone]

The planet could be a harsh and dry dessert, radioactive wasteland...in essence Hive Cities exists usually as something that is for deep mining (say the core of the planet) and the surrounding environment is hostile

Best example is Krieg

Hive Cities are necessary because everywhere else is radioactive wasteland

[plush mason]

yeah

[median star]

atoma is also a radioactive desert hell hole outside of the hive

[umbral steeple]

So hive cities are not the standard of living condition

they tend to appear only on really shitty places

[queen laurel]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hive

[median star]

they can appear anywhere where their plans to be a ton of ppl

[plush mason]

often time the hives themselves are the reason for the environmental toxicity, millennia of unchecked industrial exploitation would do that

[raven stone]

Not standard but also surprisingly common in 40k setting (admittedly probably because narrative wise is the most Sci Fi thing ever)

I would suspect Civilized Worlds (literally said it lore to represent 21st Century cities, but massive) is more the norm.

[celest dome]

The majority of worlds that the Imperium hold are Hive worlds

[plush mason]

yeah

[raven stone]

I think the game is kinda a standard ish FPS, not too familiar.

[umbral steeple]

damn, so hive is what normal life will converge into

[plush mason]

if left uncheck yup

[raven stone]

Oh huh I need to update my own lore knowledge

[umbral steeple]

oh it is one of those settings where a suitable planet is rare as hell and quickly explioted into wasteland

[celest dome]

Some worlds aren't counted as Hive Worlds but still have 1 or 2 Hives

[plush mason]

yup

[celest dome]

Vostroyan for example isn't counted as one

But still has some

[crystal forum]

there's millions of imperial planets

[plush mason]

with new ones being settled

all the time

[celest dome]

More so that there just so many people that it's not really possible to do otherwise.
Hives are also most often Relics that are not really understood by the dwellers

[queen laurel]

yeah and like there are multiple types of imperial worlds

[umbral steeple]

Always not sure about the propotion of Hives VS normal worlds

[queen laurel]

Pleasure worlds Agri worlds

But as stated

[queen laurel]

hives are the most normal worlds

[median star]

and the oldest hives have potential stcs to be found in their depths so that also draws a lot of attention from those who know of that possibility

[plush mason]

hell afaik "imperial world" is the official name for any planet that doesnt fit the other classifications

[raven stone]

GW likes to be vague, but that having been said, Hive Cities are a distinctly 40k thing.

Every other type of world is "IRL historical era of humanity but with more Imperial Aquilas"

[celest dome]

Imperial World just mean worlds where the Imperium think it's keeping control

[crystal forum]

there's a lot of worlds that get random classifications depending on story needs

[crystal forum]

some classifications only used once

[raven stone]

Civilised worlds are explicitly said to be like our cities right now, just with more Aquilas and Imperial worship

[plush mason]

tfw the 21st century is the standard of civilization over 20k years in the future

[crystal forum]

i have not seen "armoury world" used anywhere other than vraks for example

[celest dome]

Civilised is Pseudo Europe
Industrial is Pseudo China

[median star]

would most worlds not technically fall in gamma categorization

[celest dome]

Mainly cause nothing really happen on those

[raven stone]

Don't forget Feudal Worlds, which is just "Bretonnia but in 40k"

[crystal forum]

it's like the perfect setting though, a planet full of old gear

[dapper gyro]

That's a subset of Imperial world.

[celest dome]

Nah, Bretonnia is a Feral world

[dapper gyro]

Pleasure world is another subset.

[crystal forum]

fortress world, forge world, agri world are all very common to see

there's a handful of world types that come up often

[median star]

also never seen the research world classification before youd think theyd be getting more done w whole worlds dedicated to research

[queen laurel]

well no

Their population is for example not as ridiculous

as hive worlds

[celest dome]

Research Stations ? They're smaller more set on scouting/observation than actual scientific research

[crystal forum]

hive cities to me were always on planets that were very quickly developed into the imperium. civilized worlds are prob much older and had a slower population growth that is spread out

[median star]

are tiths usually based on what the planet actually does or makes or does someone just show up one day to an ice planet and be like alright yall are making corn now start makiing that shit

[crystal forum]

notice how hive worlds often only have a few landmasses with hive cities and pretty much barren wasteland in between

[dapper gyro]

Some are based on asteroid or space hulks.

[celest dome]

Might be the inverse, don't think they're able to construct new Hives

[crystal forum]

it's often said that hive cities are built on top of colony ships

at the very core of the underhives

[celest dome]

With the Administratum, you might be sending Tanks for centuries and then be told you've not paid the Tithe cause for the Administratum you were meant to send food

[raven stone]

Or something changed in between

[crystal forum]

even in the 40th millenium you pay taxes

[raven stone]

Or your tithe transport got lost in the warp

[dapper gyro]

Or get raided

[median star]

funny theyd still base grades on if helped during heresy

[dapper gyro]

Though, depending on the output and importance, like expedition speed, their status and tithe can change.

[paper haven]

As long as you pay taxes on time, you can basically do whatever you want. If you fail, well...

[raven stone]

One part of the Imperium's woes is that the entire bureaucracy is still suffering Horus Heresy PTSD 10,000 years later

[dapper gyro]

Most of the imperial guard worlds were former or still forge worlds.

[celest dome]

What ?

[dapper gyro]

Their tithes changed from goods to people.

[celest dome]

Forgeworlds ? The Admech ones ?

[median star]

seems to be a recurring theme like with ai aswell

[astral burrow]

Has that cyberpunk vibe what I have seen

[dapper gyro]

Well, the manufacturing almost always fall into the admech territory. Stuff changes depending on the importance.

[umbral steeple]

have any hive ever collapsed

[median star]

tons

[umbral steeple]

due to fondation never being maintained

[median star]

even an "abandoned" second hive on atoma with us

[celest dome]

Possibly, don't think it's really explored.

There is Hive Secundus on Munda that was obliterated into a cratter

[celest dome]

Doesn't mean it collapsed

[queen laurel]

Yes that has happened

[dapper gyro]

Some world when the planet declared lost by the Admech, but is still defended by the imperium and supplied by them. They usually became recruitment ground or some other the stuff, or the Admech goes back.

[paper haven]

Yeah, then they just build over it. It collapses again. Rinse and repeat.

[celest dome]

Do you have any example ?

[umbral steeple]

that sounds really

huh

familar....

[dapper gyro]

Well, not sure if it is still canon, SM1 is an example.

[paper haven]

It's part of why the underhive is such a nightmare of twisting tunnels

[median star]

think in rogue trader you also have a small planet event chain where one of your plansts hive worlds also crumbles

[celest dome]

Graia ?

[paper haven]

Everything just gets compressed over time and the solution is to just keep building.

[umbral steeple]

What about the power vaccum caused by every rulerclass fall to their death

[celest dome]

Graia doesn't export Guardsmen afaik, it does have Skitarii on the other hand

[paper haven]

Civil war.

[celest dome]

Gangers, or outsiders take over, might make right

[dapper gyro]

It is the explanation why no Admech was seen, despite being its value being "Absolute.

[paper haven]

Not a problem as long as they make their tithe shipments.

[umbral steeple]

So Anarchy for server decades until someone notices

[paper haven]

If they don't? Well.

[median star]

as long as the tithe gets payed and they arent actively falling to chaos they could be immortan joe from madmax for all anyone cares

[celest dome]

Graia I'd a Forge World though (well the Graian Crown is)

[paper haven]

It's really great being Hive nobles until it's not.

[umbral steeple]

everyone partying till the entire hive fall on itself

[raven stone]

Even Hive Nobles have their undercurrent of backstabs and politikings

So it isn't a full on party for them either

[paper haven]

Compared to living in the underhive?

I'll take political squabbles for 200, Alex.

[median star]

theirs very often not if ever only just one noble house on a planet aswell

[raven stone]

Political squabbles that can end in death or exile as a Rogue Trader, but very fair point in saying that is still miles better than Underhive life.

[paper haven]

Oh yeah, there's always a risk of being killed or exiled. When I say it's great, I mean relative to the average human experience.

[umbral steeple]

you are human, you are always a risk of being killed

[raven stone]

Though in THAT case the infighting comes from relatives, cousins and siblings squabbling for the high seat of power.

[umbral steeple]

something something random demon possession

[astral burrow]

Is that pfp ai

[tough haven]

Trying to enable a campaign idea, what are all the plausible options for allowing a group of multi species agents to exist? Doesn’t have to be imperium, but I’d like it to be so interactions with them can be played out

[median star]

rogue trader or inquisitor retinues come to mind

[raven stone]

Or even a T'au delegation if you want a perspective flip

[tough haven]

Would said party need to be present? Or could a RT or Inquisitor just send them out with their authority?

[tough haven]

I’ve considered that but I’m not sure if things like an Ork or Aeldari would be able to be a part of that if my players want to run those species

[raven stone]

Especially if you are playing with friends, I would say enjoyment comes first, lore second - Inquisitorial/RT authority is weighty enough in Imperial societies

[median star]

i reckon youre asking for trouble if you send an aeldari into anywhere imperial owned w a letter thats just says sent and ownd by totally legit rogue trader guy

[tough haven]

Would most accept a writ of sanction from them?

Even if they can’t verify it?

[arctic talon]

XYes

Orks can work for RT's

even if its rare

[tough haven]

I meant Tau

[arctic talon]

also yes

[median star]

but still youre not going to really let them operate by themselves outside of maybe a battlefield

[tough haven]

Most imperials would shoot them on sight, and face the consequences later

[arctic talon]

It depends

[tough haven]

Unless maybe they wear specific garments or hide their identity so they can get close enough to even show their sanction

[median star]

someones just gonna see it not directly by your side then go omg a fucking ork everyone open fire

[raven stone]

Recall in Rogue Trader they had a flipping Eldar in the Governor's Palace and the locals think she is a mutant with pointy ears

[tough haven]

This too

Most imperials are dumb

[raven stone]

This is where playing up Imperial ignorance can work to your favour

[tough haven]

Most don’t even know what xenos look like

So if someone above them says “yeah this big green guy is just a mutant who works for me, a scion of a rogue trader” they’ll believe that

[raven stone]

Also since you are running a mixed party

[tough haven]

To question is to doubt

[arctic talon]

Inqusition has the easiest solution

[raven stone]

So long as you have ONE human

[arctic talon]

Give the Ork a shiny gubbin

and by gubbin

I mean a rosette

[raven stone]

Shooting a human agent of a RT is a pretty big no no

Even if they are around other xenos

[tough haven]

True, but inquisitor is harder to do, unless you’re openly declaring you’re inquisition

[raven stone]

And you can always have prople afraid of misfires instead

[tough haven]

Which a lot of inquisitors try to avoid

[astral burrow]

You can have your entire party be non humans?

There is a navigator, a voidborn

What else?