40k-lore-chat

[astral burrow]

Would a skinny preacher be able to use a bolt pistol?

Like the darktide one

[queen laurel]

having to live in such a brutal planet their physique has made them the peak of unaugmented humans

[queen laurel]

yes

[astral burrow]

Sick

[queen laurel]

It's a gun with proper posture and control you can shoot it fine

[astral burrow]

Do bolt pistols even have recoil?

[arctic talon]

New chaos knight

[queen laurel]

every ballistic weapon has recoil

[astral burrow]

They shoot rockets don't they

Wtf is the recoil from

[rose thorn]

Very slick

[arctic talon]

2 stage ignition gyrojet

[queen laurel]

it first fires normally like your normal gun

[arctic talon]

Yeah that

[queen laurel]

then it ignites the rocket

[queen laurel]

this would be a sick khorne knight

[arctic talon]

Knight Ruinator

Lol

What a name

Though I suppose we already have the desecrator, slaughterer

[queen laurel]

a siege drill screams these guys are poor

[arctic talon]

Lol

[queen laurel]

i love it but it still can kill you

[arctic talon]

Look if it’s good enough for rock

It’s good enough for a knight

[summer mural]

I hope if they do sayl, he comes with his special chaos spawn guy

[queen laurel]

Wait are all chaos knights

reverse jointed

because i'm pretty sure normal imperium knights are like normal bipedal legs

[arctic talon]

All questoris knights have that leg setup

[queen laurel]

OK this is an average questo knight

See how the legs have visible knees and look more bipedal

chaos knights

Have this chicken shaped legs

where is reverse jointed and has less armor

[proven needle]

Maybe because Chaos are older generations?

[queen laurel]

to be honest all of these do carry massive melee weapons

so they are probably built more for speed and the reverse jointed legs help with that

only that the spoiler has the

bipedal armored legs

[arctic talon]

It’s an assembly option

You can do it with questoris if you want

It’s a very like fancy kit

[queen laurel]

i can give them the chaos chickem legs?

[arctic talon]

If you want

It’s a bit more effort

[queen laurel]

i see

[astral burrow]

I wish there were some visual rogue trader mods that aren't just ai generated slop portraits

Maybe I can use toybox to kitbash an outfit

[crystal forum]

it's a lot lighter than it looks probably

but heavy bolters are an exception. most people can't handle it

idk where the common misconception that "humans can't handle bolters" came from

like it's so easily disproven with a ton of examples

[astral burrow]

Aren't they all pretty heavy

[crystal forum]

yeah

and cumbersome

[queen laurel]

they look hefty but we as a human species here on earth shot heavier

[crystal forum]

as you see in darktide

[astral burrow]

Seeing a skinny malnourished homeless looking guy shoot a bolt pistol with one hand feels weongn

Wrong

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/7F_Pay7MErw?si=bKNHtEWhiQaHh1hH if humans can do this we can shoot a bolter

[astral burrow]

Good luck doing that for any longer than this tho

[crystal forum]

oh right and bolts have a lot less recoil than they look

they aren't conventional shells

[astral burrow]

They shouldn't have any they shoot rockets smh

[crystal forum]

they aren't pure rockets

they're 2 staged

an initial blast to propel

[queen laurel]

I literally showed you a reply of me saying

[proven needle]

There are some that are just collections of existing art. You found those?

[queen laurel]

That they literally first shoot a conventional projectile then propel the ammunition

[astral burrow]

For whose who play rogue trader and mods the game, I know toybox or redress has an option to include npc outfits to show up as your outfit, but how do you see what those actually look like?

[astral burrow]

I want outfit stuff

[crystal forum]

it's how modern rocket launchers work i believe

a rocket takes too long to accelerate

[astral burrow]

And it is a pain to tell those apart from the ai slop shit so I don't bother

[crystal forum]

i find it pretty easy

[celest dome]

Rocket launcher also often have some recoil anyway

[crystal forum]

not much

most rocket launchers use the propellant as its own anti recoil mechanism

once the rocket is activated it's essentially just a rocket in a guiding chamber with very little connection to the operator

[astral burrow]

I am not gonna check every portrait mod to see if any of the art is ai

In game ones are good enough

I need actual outfits

[celest dome]

But the heated air expanding in the tube can cause something similar to recoil

[crystal forum]

the thing with the bolter is there doesn't seem to be anywhere for the rocket backblast to go

except the ejection port i guess

but the rocket probably only activates when it exits the muzzle anyways

[celest dome]

The Rocket backblast wouldn't matter for Bolts, as they're meant to have exited the barrel before the rock part activate iirc

[crystal forum]

ye

[queen laurel]

yeah basically

the normal ballistic part of the bolter goes first

as it's spinning in the air it turns into a rocket

[crystal forum]

you know if the model designers actually put thought into it i'd say the muzzle break that all bolters have could be the point where the rocket is activated, which explains why there's such a big muzzle blast in animations

[crystal forum]

idk what whoever wrote that meant by working like a grenade launcher

as in the 40k guardsman grenade launchers?

because real grenade launchers dont have such a complicated mechanism

[queen laurel]

it's from this

it's pretty old

[crystal forum]

ye but what grenade launcher is it talking about

the in universe one?

[queen laurel]

must be

[crystal forum]

it mentions autoguns afterwards so i'd assume so

i guess 40k grenade launchers work with gyrojets

grenade launchers in 40k are probably one of the least talked about weapons

since they're so mundane

[queen laurel]

i think it's only talking about both of their explosive nature

[crystal forum]

oh hey that's cool

some grenade launchers are railguns

but ye grenade launchers in 40k are really the "jack of all trades" weapons

[celest dome]

Or the weapon using a weaker charge

[queen laurel]

oh true

[crystal forum]

that makes a lot of sense

[nocturne crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCra4qOrjFw

[crystal forum]

since the bolter is essentially a direct fire grenade launcher lol

i always got the vibe that the guard heavy bolter emplacements are like those IRL heavy grenade launchers

[dapper gyro]

Dual shooting FN Minimi is not that bad.

[crystal forum]

the fun part is when shooting the gun becomes less heavy due to the recoil counterbalancing its weight

[dapper gyro]

The 1st burst throws you off, but you will find the balance point shortly after.

[nocturne crest]

The Soviets were the closest group to have made a bolter, and that ended up going onto an armoured vehicle series.

I think it was the BMP?

[crystal forum]

what do you mean

[spare osprey]

I’m actually so smart yall

[crystal forum]

their TOW missiles?

[dapper gyro]

You mean the atgm that shoots through the barrel?

[crystal forum]

america also had cannon fired TOW missiles

[dapper gyro]

All Soviet tanks since the T-54 can do that.

[nocturne crest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2A28_Grom

[queen laurel]

Don't care cool knight

i'm just kidding

but seriously though the chaos knight looks banger

[spare osprey]

Looks awesome

[queen laurel]

imagine being so poor the best you can give your chaos knight

Is a repurposed drill

[dapper gyro]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M117_Bastion

[nocturne crest]

I do wonder if the driller arm was something that loyalists knights used to have or if it was something the Dark Admech made.

[dapper gyro]

There are 115mm, 125mm and 152mm versions used on different tanks.

[crystal forum]

i cant remember the name of the american tank that used missiles

[queen laurel]

MGM-166 LOSAT ?

[crystal forum]

no it's some sort of obsolete regular looking tank

[queen laurel]

hmm

[crystal forum]

the surname is on the tip of my tongue

[queen laurel]

No idea then

[crystal forum]

this thing

[vagrant fox]

M551

[dapper gyro]

Nato has similar weapons. The 76mm Correctto is the smaller version of those things.

[crystal forum]

M551 sheridan

[dapper gyro]

155mm Excalibur guided artillery is a big thing.

[crystal forum]

infrared guided missiles so essentially useless in the modern age

i can't wait for the reemergence of fly by wire but with fiber optics

[vagrant fox]

It was also useless in its four years of service

[spare osprey]

Apparently they see two guns as cowardice

[crystal forum]

wasn't it meant to be air dropped

i dont really know why cannon fired missiles fell out of fashion but there must have been a good reason

[astral burrow]

Y'all went from my silly question to American artillery

[vagrant fox]

The yankees love the idea of airdropped vehicles so probably

[dapper gyro]

M551 was a trend chasing project, and was deployed in a wrong war for it.

[crystal forum]

well they did cancel the recent one

[queen laurel]

well yeah

no self respecting chaos knight

Would not carry a melee weapon

[crystal forum]

the abram just sucks logistically

[dapper gyro]

Because whatever you see in 40K, we have real life examples of equivalent or even stronger.

[crystal forum]

it's too heavy

and for some reason the military refuses to use the term light tank anymore

[astral burrow]

Slaneesh?

Asking for a friend

[dapper gyro]

Begone, thot.

[astral burrow]

Fine, cassia?

Asking for myself

[dapper gyro]

Ok, man, stop thirsting over fictional characters.

There are women in the wild.

(the wild as in outside of your house)

[astral burrow]

Answer the question it is important

Are you keeping all the irl navigators for yourself

[vagrant fox]

Who needs tanks anyway, more artillery is needed

[queen laurel]

no deino is into more exotic things

[astral burrow]

Put artillery on tank

[astral burrow]

What is more exotic than a pale fish woman who can see horrors beyond our comprehension

[crystal forum]

that's what the booker project was supposed to provide. a mobile heavy weapon

[queen laurel]

I don't know you figure it out

[celest dome]

Best woman in warhammer come from fantasy anyway 🤷

Other than that

[crystal forum]

tanks these days are just guns on tracks that can defend themselves

actually that's what tanks have always been

[celest dome]

Saint Sabbat

[queen laurel]

aos also has good ones

[astral burrow]

Tell me

[dapper gyro]

No, I don't have any, I'm going through the chaos of the society blind.

[celest dome]

It's part of fantasy

[astral burrow]

Mid

[queen laurel]

well yes but people usually refer to both things as different things

[celest dome]

Them fighting words

[crystal forum]

i love objectifying fictional characters

[vagrant fox]

Looks like a weird amx-10
Just adopt french tanks one hundred one hundred

[celest dome]

Tahlia Vedra is a queen ❤️

[astral burrow]

Explode

[crystal forum]

well it's been cancelled

[vagrant fox]

My point stands

[crystal forum]

as long as production of basically all types of infantry vehicles

you will walk to your point

[celest dome]

Albino meth-head looking girl

[dapper gyro]

I'd rather go out with a knife ears.

Also, nav prefer to inbred, I don't like that American mindset.

Light tanks face many logistic problems.

It is not the early cold war any more, the expensive components on the tank is not the frame and case, but the electronic systems on it.

IFV does the job of light tanks well, while they are easier to maintain overall.

You need a big enough gun to do damage to other tanks, which comes with the ammunition storage issue. If that requirement is dropped, an autocannon can do pretty much everything a big gun can do.

There are many examples of big gun mounted on light chassis today, but they are all considered as SPG/SPAT, because the actual troop support capacity is so limited.

[crystal forum]

main battle tanks face much bigger logistics issues

M10 booker: 38-42 tonnes
M1a2 abrams: 66.8 tonnes

the M10 is described as a roll on roll off tank for its ability to be quickly taken in and out of a transport plane

[nocturne crest]

They cancelled the M10 Booker last week.

[crystal forum]

i'm betting you it's only officially on hold

it will come back when the admin isn't brain dead

or probably a similar program since the tank was still considered overweight

[nocturne crest]

It's apparently cut costing.

[crystal forum]

ye that's bullshit

the military doesn't cut costs

at least not more than they already are

pete hegseth is a moron

or he's bought out by russia

probably both

and all the top DoD officials are resigning

this is literally a requirement in the "army transformation and acquisition reform program"

literally trying to insert grok into the army

[outer wave]

Considering the admin is full of Fox News fellas, it's probably both

[crystal forum]

that other one about 3d printing by 2026 is wild too

trying to change the entire manufacturing process of the military in a single year???

[outer wave]

An AI for military usage is going to go badly

[crystal forum]

there is literally no advantage to this

if something was made more efficiently with 3d printing it would already have been implemented

this isn't new technology

it's these morons trying to say tech buzz words to look like they're doing stuff

[outer wave]

They're just trying to save money where ever possible so they can horde it

[crystal forum]

the thing is that this would cost the army more money

to change manufacturing processes on the fly

[outer wave]

I wonder if it'll force US manufacturers to work in Europe or Asia

[crystal forum]

and again this is not about saving money. the military is a black hole of budgets, nothing comes out but everything goes in

this is the only thing that the admin can't gut to give to the rich

[outer wave]

Will they get push back from the military and manufacturers?

[crystal forum]

they fired a ton of military high officials already

as well as all the resignations

[outer wave]

Bruh

[crystal forum]

it's a complete dumpster fire

the pentagon wants hegseth gone

[outer wave]

I wonder if they'll get anything done as is, because I keep hearing contradictory things about how they're handling things

[winter vessel]

guess they lost their spines a while back

[crystal forum]

that's because nobody in the pres's circle even says the same things

trump doesn't even know what's going on

[outer wave]

Yeah they all have their own interpretation on how things should be ran

So will they actually get anything done is my question, outside of stuff that's easy to destabilize?

[crystal forum]

oh boy i wonder what they mean by that last one

"make civilian contractors easier to fire"

[astral burrow]

Where is this from

[crystal forum]

can't wait for half the military to be H1B visa holders

[crystal forum]

https://media.defense.gov/2025/May/01/2003702281/-1/-1/1/ARMY-TRANSFORMATION-AND-ACQUISITION-REFORM.PDF

[outer wave]

Those guys aren't going to very motivated

[crystal forum]

if they're told they get citizenship through service they prob would

that's already a thing

[outer wave]

Yeah, only thing motivating them is not getting fired and being forced to return to wherever they're from

Plus who is going to be H1B-able and yet have enough creds to do military work?

[crystal forum]

and that's prob what the document meant by revising hiring practises lol

[nocturne crest]

TBH, sounds like the US Mil might have their own L85 incident if this the case.

[crystal forum]

you dont need to be certified to do the ground work like driving trucks

civilian workers do the basic shit

like construction

janitors

[winter vessel]

how is a poor service weapon in the british military making a connection in this?

[crystal forum]

i don't even know what to compare this to

[nocturne crest]

People are less likely going to care about spotting out mistakes or fixing them.

[outer wave]

There's going to be ALOT of cut corners

I mean it's happening from this plan, but on the ground, also applicable

[crystal forum]

the one thing i see that will be interesting is the new focus on drones

that's the first part of the document

they want to build a drone swarm military but probably for all the wrong reasons

they see drones and think less people to hire

and they 100% think that AI will replace human drone operators

[outer wave]

Will backfire horribly

[crystal forum]

this is the same section that says the AI integration and 3d printing btw

[winter vessel]

sigh sucks how i have to learn the new service rifle by the time i ship out. Spent most of my life learning about the components of an M4 carbine and now its gonna be the XM7

[crystal forum]

i think the 3d printing is because they look at ukraine and want to literally apply 1:1 what they're doing

but that's moronic

ukraine is 3d printing drone bomb fins and other parts because they can't mass manufacture them

[crystal forum]

injection moulding in just superior in every way

you can't print a drone swarm army.... it's a complete waste of resources

[languid meadow]

God I hate this stupid rifle

[nocturne crest]

I hate the fact we've nearly gone back to the first nato round proposals.

[crystal forum]

fun fact that gun's suppressor is made using additive manufacturing

3d printing

it's how they could make such a complex metal piece

[nocturne crest]

We could have had EM2 instead of the L85 if the USA weren't so imperialistic.

[crystal forum]

i'm still a hard believer in 556 being the best round currently in use

the positives of the bigger cartridge are just edge cases

[nocturne crest]

I think they want to go bigger to defeat modern body armour.

[crystal forum]

yeah that's one of the main reasons

and it's bullshit

if a 556 hits you, you're out of the fight regardless

broken ribs or other injuries

having more ammunition is always better

more chances to hit is superior to every hit being punchy

[winter vessel]

XM7 seems solely tailored to long distance and non-urban engagements

[crystal forum]

then why not return to the full length M16?

adopting the M4 for literally everyone was a terrible idea i agree on that

it was popular with special forces because they actually fight in these close range engagements. it's dumb to have every grunt shorten their effective range based on literally super soldier data

[winter vessel]

Hope they’ll still be more flexible with their armaments after I do basic.

[crystal forum]

the integrated suppressor is amazing though

low maintenance too

compared to most suppressors

[winter vessel]

Oh wait, I think only SOF units have that flexibility, okay then

[crystal forum]

wdym flexibility

as in choosing your weapon?

[winter vessel]

Yes. But I know that’s not always right most of the time.

[crystal forum]

afaik you get given whatever you'll get by the armorer

[winter vessel]

Guess the XM7 will be my best friend for the two and a half months at Benning grits teeth

[crystal forum]

do you know what your role will be

or are you going to basic

[winter vessel]

Basic training.

[crystal forum]

remember to put tons of effort in both physical and exams because that shit decides if you're given a role or if you have choice

[winter vessel]

Yeah been working at it for a while. Honestly my concern at the processing station was my Aptitude test. Got a 74 for the qualification score and I still had an eligible line score for combat

[crystal forum]

does it have to be over a certain amount so you don't have to be in a combat role?

[winter vessel]

If you score high enough and you haven't decided what occupation you want, then yeah they'll put you into a position they think is better investing on.

but a combat role was what I wanted and made clear the first time i went into the Rec. Office.

[crystal forum]

so you're given the choice to have a cushy job that the army really needs to be filled and you dont want that?

not even something like a field mechanic?

[winter vessel]

why would I want to be a fobbit? jk. and No, i've been set and stone with my decision since i was four.

if i had shown interest in mechanics in my adolescence? maybe

[nocturne crest]

Sounds like you would be a fan of the American-180.

22LR Smg that was design to defeat body armour or find the gaps.

[astral burrow]

Ah army stuff

[nocturne crest]

Which they also sold a twin-linked one as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si7Q6BCPBYg

[sly ivy]

Russ Breeden good name

[nocturne crest]

I just wish it wasn't age restricted now when it wasn't in the past.

Also, there's a 4 barrel version as well: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491151387481079829/873011670333673553/r7hrvfd1c7d41.png?ex=68234639&is=6821f4b9&hm=6bee352a36732a3b69e99cd03cf5a1c2c118109737e793fea2285ee3426de9ca&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dapper gyro]

In retrospective, the SCAR-H is about the same price and does the same job as the M7 rifle without all of the issues, half of which come from the ammunition.

[dapper gyro]

Just join the USMC then...

My friends in the US Army are crying a river about the M7...

[winter vessel]

tried doing that towards the end of my senior year in HS, but that was an impulsive decision and a dark time in my life.

But i'll make do with what i get in the Army, I just favor the M4

cause i'm a basic bumpkin

[dapper gyro]

Like I told my buddies, the only thing I would like to change in the weaponry is the Minimi.

Remove the mag feed port for fuck sake.

That alone will make the gun twice as reliable.

[sly ivy]

Is M7 European??

[dapper gyro]

USA

[sly ivy]

Sig Sauer?

Damn Germans makin our guns what has the world come to

[crystal forum]

well i hope you at 4 were more happy in your decision than when you'll be 30

[winter vessel]

28. six year contract. and If I was already thinking on possibilities of regrets in pursuing what I wanted, I wouldn't have stepped into that office with a clear conscious.

[crystal forum]

yeah i'm not doubting you. i'm just saying i hope you'll be as happy in 6 years as you are currently

i met enough veterans who came to regret a lot of things

[winter vessel]

It is my faith that keeps me going. Really the most challenging aspect in all of this will be me separated from my family for a long period of time.

[crystal forum]

yeah i had to work somewhere very isolated for 4 months and that was pretty hard on me socially so i get it somewhat

but you'll be surrounded by friends at least

and i know for a fact that army friends are some of the closest people you will meet in your life

[winter vessel]

yeah, what i also like is Benning will be an OSUT for me. Totally forgot they do jump school, so that saves me the hassle of having to transfer to different bases.

[crystal forum]

rip your knees

[tough haven]

What happens to a warrant of trade if the last heir to a dynasty dies?

[winter vessel]

oh yeah been keeping close care of those. But, gotta be Airborne certified if I can get my foot in with the Rangers.

[crystal forum]

have you been practicing your landings? getting certified is how a lot of people have halted their military careers

[storm jungle]

It essentially is left in the air.

Someone else with noble blood and enough credentials and such can lay claim to it.

[crystal forum]

i'm sure you can learn some parkour tricks too. there's ways to fall from heights without hurting yourself

[winter vessel]

highest i've dropped is the roof of 1 story buildings, making sure them knees aren't locked.

but right now i'm focusing on endurance training and rucking long distances

[celest dome]

Or someone with enough balls could try to pass themselves as part of the dynasty

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

its like masquerading really, its pretty risky but still possible

[winter vessel]

The Parent Trap but they kill your ass if they find out

[crystal forum]

is it true that army fitness requirements are stupid af like a marathon runner being considered barely acceptable

[winter vessel]

don't know about that angle, but it is to the benefit of applicants that they condition themselves for physical activity over a long period of time. Ik they're most likely shortening the 2 mile run time from 22 mins to 18 mins

[crystal forum]

do you think you could qualify for special forces

or is that something you only get after you've proven yourself as a ranger

[tough haven]

Can’t anyone just pick it up and take it?

[storm jungle]

No lol

You are nothing unless you can legitimise it

[tough haven]

Pretty sure warrants have been lost in poker games, so it’s not entirely unheard of

[storm jungle]

Yeah but that would still require legal transfers/approvals

[tough haven]

So like if the last scion of a dynasty’s ship crashes and they die, someone scavenging has no reason or use to take the document (I’m assume it’s on their ship in this scenario)

Or you just have to know enough people/be rich enough to pay for the appropriate legal documentation

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

Im writing a plot on that atm for me and my friend's OCs

[tough haven]

Yeah that’s why I was curious

[astral burrow]

Hi peeps

[tough haven]

Cause rn I have a character that’s a washed up rogue trader stuck on the nihilus and all his assets and holdings are on the other side of the rift, and his ship is inoperable

[astral burrow]

Dilara I am itching to start rogue trader over again lol

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

Rangers are an S.O.F, there are two methods of qualification. the longer and more condition route is already be an active duty, of course having to get security clearance from a senior officer and screening. i took the other route and was given an opportunity to sign the Option 40 contract. Which, as a civilian, already guarantees me a shot at RASP immediately after basic training and Airborne school.

[tough haven]

So he just drinks himself stupid at a bar and tells everyone stories of his days of glory, and I was curious what would happen if he died or just gave it away because he doesn’t care anymore

[rocky gale]

Reminds of the recent news involving the SAS

[storm jungle]

Yeah anyone can take it really

especially if its just a small scroll or whatever

you need to remember a Warrant is like 1 in a 10000 thing

its extremely valuable

[tough haven]

So if a trader gave it to you as like a gentleman’s agreement or something but there’s no way to prove it, it’s worthless

[storm jungle]

Yep, they'd get the last laugh essentially lol

[crystal forum]

i meant something like green berets or one of the hundreds of special forces group

[winter vessel]

the one about "disposing" unarmed children and adults?

[storm jungle]

You cant just wave it around without anything to back it up

its like uh

being a new Inquisitor with no goons

[crystal forum]

man the US has so many special forces groups

[rocky gale]

Tons of warcrimes

[storm jungle]

you wave that rosette saying you are from the Inquisition

but like, unless you can back it up oyu will just get shot in the face

[crystal forum]

it's so hard to keep track of which one does what

[storm jungle]

especially by some no-life ganger lol

[storm jungle]

the U.S/UK specialty

[winter vessel]

"Who dares win"

[tough haven]

I actually wanna have this guy give it in exchange for something really valuable, enough for him to get back on his feet, only for the warrant to be worthless afterwards

[rocky gale]

Yea, soldiers who served alongside them in Iraq and Afghanistan are now coming out and saying the SAS were like constantly commiting warcrimes

[storm jungle]

I mean

is that surprising to anyone?

I assume it is for some people but like lol

Special Forces arent exactly stable or good people

[rocky gale]

One of the reports is of an SAS guy saying "Hey hold this guy down (A civilian) I haven't killed anyone with a knife yet"

[tough haven]

Would people still recognize him as a trader even if he can’t show his warrant? Like he scammed it away to some mook

[storm jungle]

Checks out.

[crystal forum]

are rangers essentially better trained marines? to me they seem to do similar roles without being like delta force level if you know what i mean

[storm jungle]

The Warrant is all that matters, look at my Inquisition example again, if you cant back it up you are essentially a nobody.

[winter vessel]

there are only two individuals that I consider legitimate badasses in any relation to the SAS. Fictional is Price from the OG trilogy. and the other is Robert Blair Mayne

[crystal forum]

ooooh and this is why you were talking about weapon flexibility earlier

i thought you wanted to be a regular grunt or smth

[storm jungle]

Captain Price mentioned, commence the gifs

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-price-call-of-duty-call-of-duty-price-price-modern-warfare-call-of-duty-4-modern-warfare-gif-12564201557330175050

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-down-bob-barker-buzzr-get-down-here-gif-3857928607083964470

[crystal forum]

WW2 era SAS was the hardest of the hardest

mad lads

[tough haven]

Yeah but that’s my question, if he’s like established as a rogue trader, gives it away to get back on his feet with no proof, and then just claims it was lost when his ship crashed, would he still keep the privileges and everything?

[storm jungle]

Hell no lol

Without your warrant you are nothing.

[tough haven]

Figured

[storm jungle]

you are just some glorified pirate at that point

[astral burrow]

Pricette

[storm jungle]

Rogue Traders meanwhile are privateers (aka pirates but legal)

[tough haven]

But with the warrant you also are nothing unless you have a huge paper trail

[astral burrow]

Warrant is the huge paper trial

Trail

[tough haven]

So if someone steals it from you, you’re just both fucked?

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

a Warrant is literally a holy license

[crystal forum]

i think it's worth noting that psychological profile tests seem to favor psychopathy so i think it's the soldier selection that's messed up

[hallow plover]

That's the whole turorial of Rogue Trader, no?

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is

[tough haven]

How are new warrants issued

[hallow plover]

They aren't?

[storm jungle]

Its absolutely intentional

[storm jungle]

They are actually!

But like

[hallow plover]

Passed down through dynasties?

[storm jungle]

its from high ranking administratum people or high lords

its not as valuable but like still pretty good

[tough haven]

That’s why I’m confused, so if kunrad stole the warrant it wouldn’t do anything for him?

[crystal forum]

but i wouldn't say that becoming special forces turns you into a crazed murderer

[storm jungle]

I mean

[tough haven]

Takes a lot of the urgency from the prologue

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

can't answer the first, due to lack of knowledge and my bias of the Army. Think of like, Rangers and Delta as to the Tempestus Scions in terms of size deployment. the former are like platoon to a Battalion and the latter is like, 5-6 operators at a time, kinda like a kill team?

[hallow plover]

Itma signee by the Emp

[storm jungle]

^

it carries symbolic value

[hallow plover]

They want to use it for corruption purposes

[winter vessel]

so Delta is smaller and signficantly more specialized

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

[tough haven]

I mean new dynasties formed

[storm jungle]

👆

[astral burrow]

Damn, they really dared

[tough haven]

Cause there’s gotta be a lot of dynasties that get wiped out

Being a RT is a dangerous job

[hallow plover]

Canadian forces during ww2 were mad lads

🙃

[winter vessel]

Paddy Mayne

[crystal forum]

yeah so like special special forces. i know the US has a fuck ton of special forces and a very wide umbrella of what they apply that term to. rangers are pure infantry but they're actually dedicated to combat unlike regular army who just patrol bases and do boring shit all day

[astral burrow]

I hate war and anything related to it as long as it isnt fictional

[crystal forum]

it's really hard to decipher the US military structure man

[hallow plover]

So the Warrants of Trade are more valuable than Letter of Marque

[winter vessel]

The Regular Army really see action if its like a nationwide threat. Marines are always the first, and the Big Green are just benchwarmers for the space the Jarheads already clear out. I guess, the Army Rangers intend to be the Army's answer for being the "first offense" in a similar capacity like the Marines.

[tough haven]

The RT in forges of mars just forges one

[tough haven]

And that just fucking works out for him

[raven stone]

That is a weird case though

[tough haven]

Cause the Archmagos respects his skills vs his pedigree

[storm jungle]

^

[raven stone]

The Ad Mech retroactively ratified it in essence

[tough haven]

So he legitimizes it

[storm jungle]

the Forges incident is an extremely rare case

and hes just lucky

if that was any other Magos he'd have prob killed him lol

[tough haven]

Well he brought him on knowing he was fake because he wanted his particular skills

[storm jungle]

Yeah again rare case.

And also again, any other magos may not have been as forgiving

[tough haven]

Another magos probably just wouldn’t take him along at all

If they can easily discover they are fake on a background check

[crystal forum]

aren't smaller special forces groups sent in first to infiltrate enemy lines and provide intel from locals like the US did in the iraq invasion? afaik the US keeps dedicated command groups for every part of the world trained specifically in their continent to be ready for a war breaking out literally anywhere

[tough haven]

Ave deus mechanicus!

[winter vessel]

typically. its kinda hard to see how it plays out now. the most action we see currently is watching out for our heavily armed neighbors in the south

[languid meadow]

It's funny people always bring this up for WW2 because they are usually always talking about Léo Major who iirc was a big on Québec nationalism and prob would've hated being called Canadian.

[crystal forum]

yeah that's also the biggest advantage of the spec ops. you don't have to officially disclose wtf they're up to

[dapper gyro]

It is actually true, hence why his story is obscured in Canada for a long time.

[winter vessel]

It's like witnessing the movie Sicario in real time

[crystal forum]

i think right now they're mostly involved in training allies

well they used to

idk anymore with everything that's happening

i know they used to work with the canadian military a lot

[languid meadow]

Most of the wars we talk about in Canadian history is mostly WW1 since it was a big turning point for Canada finding itself (the brits fucked us hard in that war)

[dapper gyro]

If I recall correctly, Leo Major even refused some award because of the Quebec national stuff.

[crystal forum]

brits fucked canada in WW2 too with the zombies

churchill was a jackass

[languid meadow]

He refused the award because he thought monty was a moron

[crystal forum]

he wasn't happy with the volunteers fighting in europe so he asked mackenzie to start the draft

despite canada having 0 reason to be there

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[crystal forum]

my families dodged both world wars

well mostly

some served WW2

[dapper gyro]

That's what they all say...

[crystal forum]

but WW1 was extremely unpopular in quebec

[winter vessel]

well its already a known fact that the withdrawal from the Middle East was a colossal case of FUBAR and now terrorist elements have all the goodies we left behind to become a proper fighting force.

[dapper gyro]

When they don't like someone.

[languid meadow]

Hey at least we get Tulips every year now

WW1 is a depressing ass war to think about

WW2 at least taking down the Nazis is a moral thing to do but man WW1 is so

[crystal forum]

hey man it's not like they have the maintenance equipment. those planes and helicopters won't last more than a year without proper parts and qualified maintenance crews

[winter vessel]

i think there was a story of how one of em was trying to fly an apache but ended up crashing it.

[crystal forum]

iran still has F14's rotting away because the US banned all manufacturing of parts or something lol

[languid meadow]

they did that multiple times which is even funnier

they did it with a Blackhawk and an Apache

[crystal forum]

yeah no doubt. all the airmen either died during the war or left the country

or they're way too old to help

this isn't like WW1 where people could figure out shit on the fly

if they're smart they'll sell the equipment to other countries and buy stuff they can actuall use

[languid meadow]

ah back when air combat was heavily romanticized as the "knights of the sky"

[winter vessel]

I always thought dogfighting in both world wars were cool, before the time of jets

[crystal forum]

no doubt in that

dogfighting doesn't happen at all anymore

[winter vessel]

which, connecting it back to 40k. Now i want there to be a game where you pilot Thunderbolt aircraft in the Aeronautica Imperialis

[crystal forum]

official doctrine since vietnam has been to shoot shit kilometers away and wait for the missile to hit

which works but it's boring

if you can believe it the US air force was getting its ass kicked during the start of vietnam because they were still trying to dogfight

[languid meadow]

weren't pilots begging them to add an actual gun to the phantom during the war

I need to find it

[crystal forum]

probably. i just know air force doctrine changed significantly during the war and losses were reduced to single digits

[winter vessel]

I mean, yeah. But i say that because in all capacity the US military was getting their asses handed to em by Victor Charlie since the latter knew how to fight on their home turf.

[crystal forum]

that shouldn't have happened though since we're talking about cutting edge phantoms fighting outdated migs

they had radar missiles but werent using them

[winter vessel]

one thing I did think was pretty interesting was Operation Wandering Soul and how they used psychological warfare by playing "ghost tapes" to break morale on NVA soldiers

[crystal forum]

oh also the pilots were all soviets

the vietcong didn't know that shit ofc

[languid meadow]

I need to find it, but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons SAMs weren't taken out as much as they could is the worry that they would hit the Soviet trainers helping the NVA

[crystal forum]

lol

i genuinely think that the planes were flying so low that SAM's were ineffective

the tree cover hides the SAM sites but they also block line of sight

[languid meadow]

about ~10,000 Soviets (from multiple sources) participated in the Vietnam war

[crystal forum]

operation rolling thunder was really affected by SAM's though

922 aircraft lost during it

[crystal forum]

also a handful of north korean and chinese pilots

[languid meadow]

which is funny since China would invade after the war

then get their ass beat

[crystal forum]

it was a wild time

[winter vessel]

and then in 2014 when China accused the Vietnamese of ramming into their ships 1,400 times

[languid meadow]

the Vietnamese going from fighting the French, themselves, Americans, China, and then Cambodia in such a short time is insane

surprised they even made it out

[crystal forum]

i used to think vietnam was fucked for fighting cambodia but im surprised to learn that they really just wanted to get rid of the kmer rouge

[winter vessel]

they are a hardy bunch of SOBs.

[crystal forum]

and somehow the international community condemned them for that

despite literally everyone at the time recognizing pol pot as a mass murdering psychopath

[languid meadow]

Because America

[crystal forum]

and they didn't even annex cambodia or anything, they just installed a new government and left

now for some reason cambodia is a constitutional monarchy

[languid meadow]

They're just doing things at this point

"might as well"

[crystal forum]

they went from french colony to kingdom to republic to communist to constitutional monarchy

i am not making that up

[languid meadow]

Speed running every political system

[winter vessel]

its like a buffet line

[crystal forum]

south asian politics being just war and people screaming at eachother

[languid meadow]

the region is so weird

look even more south and then you have an authoritarian city state

[crystal forum]

which one

genuine question

[winter vessel]

fingers crossed

[languid meadow]

Pretty sure Singapore is the only one in SEA

[crystal forum]

the only city state maybe

[languid meadow]

at least for city states

[crystal forum]

authoritarian is pretty much all of them

[languid meadow]

"clean streets" yeah but no rights

[crystal forum]

dude clean streets to them means chopping off your arms if you smell like weed

[languid meadow]

Kind of insane people look at that and go "yeah we NEED that here"

[crystal forum]

same vibe as killing all homeless people to solve the housing crisis

if all you have is a hammer then every problem starts to look like a nail

[sly ivy]

Rip

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/KIXgBbH5WbA?si=mmunqhO01Foc_nyb Sodaz ♥️

[astral burrow]

Noght

Noight

[crystal forum]

obamna

[vagrant fox]

obamna

[storm jungle]

SODA

[median star]

i disagree

[sour hornet]

Dil, can I ask a question

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[sour hornet]

Who did you commission your Inquisitor OC from? He looks rad and I have money now

[storm jungle]

Uh which one

I got like 8 Inquisitor OCs

[sour hornet]

😭

The one holding the dead eldar (rip)

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah the corsair

damn thats like 3 years old, hold on

[median star]

how many warhammer ocs do you have with 8 alone being inquisitors

[storm jungle]

over 80+

Ive been in this fandom for like 13 years remember lol

[storm jungle]

https://x.com/MinisterOvVox/media

X

X

I had a falling out with this guy but hes still a pretty good artist.

If you commission him do mention I said hi

[vagrant fox]

Feller does good armour

[vagrant fox]

Reasonable amount if you don't keep abandoning half baked ideas

[crystal forum]

and yet she shares 0 with us

[vagrant fox]

sad state of affairs

[sour hornet]

Now I'm curious 😭

[crystal forum]

we the people demand to see your cringiest OC

[crystal forum]

you also caved in to the server tag i see

[sour hornet]

Homosexual Jay, where did you get yours

[storm jungle]

TIME AND MONEY AAAA

[storm jungle]

I posted some of my OCs in theorychat awhile ago 😔

[crystal forum]

i just scrolled this server's member list until i found something good emmesh-aiye

[vagrant fox]

These tags, they're like mlp cutie marks

[crystal forum]

now im a developper

i developped darktide

[sour hornet]

good, now develop it into a balanced game

[crystal forum]

im on vacation for the next 6 months

these tags will end up increasing traffic for the handful of servers that managed to grab the cool tags

the fucking halo wiki

like who

@storm jungle add a server tag before they're all taken

i need to show everybody that i play darktide

[storm jungle]

No can do 😔

[sour hornet]

this channel is so chill

[outer wave]

How does one attain this amount of money for local Twitter artists

[sour hornet]

I just got through with a 17 hour lore debate in the halopedia server

[crystal forum]

was it about the flood

[sour hornet]

How do you find what server the tags belong to?

[crystal forum]

just click on it

[storm jungle]

Heres 4 of them

[crystal forum]

these tags are meant to show people what servers you're in

[storm jungle]

Stockpiling and mostly being patient 💀

[crystal forum]

but i use to show people that i developped discord

[outer wave]

Damn those are clean

[sour hornet]

It was about UNSC Navy efficacy and fleet endurance from 2536-2552.

[crystal forum]

holy shit

[sour hornet]

How the fuck do you literally always cook

[storm jungle]

Lots of art references

💀

trust me it takes awhile

[crystal forum]

i developped dilara's art

[sour hornet]

Argument started about UNSC FTL comms and whether or not the average UNSC naval flotilla could defend an Inner Colony for a set time (eg. two weeks). It spiraled from there.

[crystal forum]

does microsoft care this much

[sour hornet]

🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️ I'm going to need your Pinterest folder 💀

[vagrant fox]

The 3rd looks like the nicest one
Real buddy type

[crystal forum]

why do they all look lesbian

[vagrant fox]

The commissioner is why

[sour hornet]

I wouldn't be a wiki nerd if fictional ship capabilities didn't get me going like crack cocaine to a vulnerable youth.

[storm jungle]

Its not pinterest......

This official art dump took me like 4 years to gather

[sour hornet]

What the actual fuck

[crystal forum]

why do i never see you talking about 40k ships

[storm jungle]

Hes a very nice Lord Inquisitor

[crystal forum]

why did you buy 2TB for that

[storm jungle]

Because its cheap?

and I like art collecting

if you saw my Guard art vault you'd splooge

[crystal forum]

it's a hard drive?

[storm jungle]

lol

[sour hornet]

That's literally my entire hard drive space. (I'm cooked) 💀

[storm jungle]

Yeah dingus

Google Drive

[storm jungle]

SDKFLSDKFLSDFSD

[crystal forum]

my hard drive is furry porn

[storm jungle]

It took me like 8 fucking years to even get a 2TB for my own PC

Drive is way easier

[crystal forum]

i will go unplug the google server so you lose everything

[storm jungle]

WAAAA

[sour hornet]

40k is alot more loosey-goosey with hard capabilities than Halo. Also a different genre. As a Halo lore guy, 40k is like the jock in a high school movie that shoves you in a locker for being a nerd.

[crystal forum]

there is no fucking way that halo has more accurate lore than 40k

i refuse to believe this franchise has that kind of lore

[sour hornet]

It does, actually. Not better lore, per say. But it's a measure easier to parse and discuss in firm details than 40k.

Especially with Halo: Warfleet coming out and giving us hard stats and capabilities for all mainline ships.

[crystal forum]

i thought halo lore was "and then master chief arrived"

[sour hornet]

That's game lore, it's like how Space Marine is like "and then Titus arrived"

[storm jungle]

It very much does.

Halo has a ton of realism because its just advanced sci-fi more than high fantasy shit like 40k.

[crystal forum]

why do i keep hearing about lore accurate master chief being even more OP

[sour hornet]

If you only played the game, it's not narratively related.

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

also he straight up single handedly wins wars COME ON

[storm jungle]

because novels exaggerate shit

and

he doenst do it alone

like, ever

[sour hornet]

^^^

emphasis on above

[storm jungle]

if the Marines, Arbiter and other characters didnt help him he wouldnt get where he is

[crystal forum]

what about when he defeated the guys in 4

[storm jungle]

4 is where teh franchise goes off the rails

anything from Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, Reach, etc are just more grounded and better explained.

[median star]

master chief mind telling what youre doing on the vengeful spirit

[storm jungle]

Sir. Gooning on Horus

[crystal forum]

reach doesnt have chief so that's good

[storm jungle]

Same thing, still has spartans

[storm jungle]

Fuck you

Chief, remove his balls

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-covenant-warrior-master-chief-halo-uppercut-punch-battling-a-monster-gif-2159101756405715461

[crystal forum]

just show your face dumbass stop acting like you're doom guy

[storm jungle]

HE DID THOUGH

[crystal forum]

when

[storm jungle]

No one cares nor does he.

[sour hornet]

Novels give you more details than the game, it's a feat of the medium. Still, Spartans die in them all the time.

[storm jungle]

the end of the first fucking game

lol

[crystal forum]

yeah like 5 pixels

[vagrant fox]

I don't know anything about the halos and I assume his suit sucking him dryer than the Sahara is a joke but is he really gay with that alien

[crystal forum]

spartans yeah but not master chief

if microsoft had balls they'd kill him

but they'd prob replace him with cortana or smth

[storm jungle]

You can literally say this with any protagonist character

[sour hornet]

It's like in 40k how if you only play the TT and Space Marines, Astartes are basic super soldier slop. Then you read the novels and they're pumped up in feats and abilities.

[storm jungle]

^

Plot armor is plot armor.

If you want lore accurate halo play it on Legendary

insta dead to sniper

[crystal forum]

you know how cortana became the windows 10 shitty ass helper

what if the next game has copilot replace cortana

their shitty AI

[storm jungle]

no

[sour hornet]

In First Strike, Chief gets almost killed by an Elite the surprises and nearly guts him with it's energy sword, then later in the same book, he almost dies to a brute and has to basically Jiu-Jitsu his way out of death.

[median star]

do humans still use ai in halo after like 3/4 of them tweeked out and tried to become dollar store terminators

[crystal forum]

cortana is hot so probably

allegedly

[median star]

shes dead

[sour hornet]

Chief is way more grounded in the books, and gets his ass beat on a number of occasions.

[crystal forum]

is she

[sour hornet]

Yes. (No.)

[crystal forum]

i hope she's in AI hell

i hated her in 4

[median star]

if their is such a place i imagine she is

[sour hornet]

Cortana 'CTN 0452-9' is dead. The Weapon is basically Cortana if she was a factory reset iPhone.

[dapper gyro]

Lore Spartan are strong, but not Doom Slayer bullshit kind of power.

[storm jungle]

Shes hot so it doesnt matter.

[dapper gyro]

I like Halo lore more.

[crystal forum]

put your dick back in you pa-
oh wait no

[dapper gyro]

Though, the energy shield power is so inconsistent between books.

[crystal forum]

put your uh taco back in the food truck

[sour hornet]

Real.

[storm jungle]

[sour hornet]

Gives me conniptions.

[crystal forum]

i have halo lore question

[dapper gyro]

??

[crystal forum]

who tf makes the energy sword

is it covenant

why does humanity not make their own swords

[median star]

bullets are badass yo

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/cortana-halo2anniversary-master-chief-cairo-station-lord-hood-gif-21667208

[sour hornet]

The Elites.

[plush mason]

humanity is massively underdeveloped next to the covenant thats why

[crystal forum]

they manufacture them?

[sour hornet]

It was forged back in the ancient days, and is (was) a ceremonial weapon.

[dapper gyro]

Energy shield is can sometimes tank autocanon, sometimes get deleted in a single burst of rifle.

[median star]

also the elite have like straight up metal swords that are also in the exact shape of energy swords

[sour hornet]

Think of energy swords as power swords from 40k.

[crystal forum]

ok somebody needs to explain this to me too. how many fucking years have they had to learn covenant tech

[sour hornet]

Marks of status.

[plush mason]

as of 4? like 10 at most

[sour hornet]

Earnestly 10, give or take.

[crystal forum]

WHAT

[plush mason]

the war with the covenant didnt last that long

[sour hornet]

Covenant gear has a habit of exploding or rendering itself non-functional.

[plush mason]

humanity would have been wiped out if it had

[crystal forum]

so the entire game franchise has taken place in 10 years

[sour hornet]

So recovering intact gear during the war is hard.

[plush mason]

that too

[crystal forum]

that's a lot of fucking stuff happening in a decade

[sour hornet]

Not exactly.

[dapper gyro]

Covenant gears consume enormous amount of energy, it is not practical for human.

[plush mason]

the war iirc took only a few years from start to finish

[median star]

also like a human isnt going to fare particular great in hand to hand /melee with a grunt much less a brute or elite

[dapper gyro]

Eh, nah, it is at least 1 generation of human.

[plush mason]

then there is time skip between 3 and 4

[plush mason]

it was?

[crystal forum]

oh right and all this so master chief could be alive for all of it

great

[dapper gyro]

Johnson was at the start and the end of the human-covenant war.

He was young at the start.

[sour hornet]

2552, the end of the 27-year long Human-Covenant War:

Halo: Reach
Halo: Combat Evolved
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo 3: ODST

Post Human-Covenant War

2557: Halo 4
2558: Halo 5
2560: Halo: Infinite

[plush mason]

ok i was wrong

[crystal forum]

halo reach is a prequel?

[sour hornet]

Yes

[crystal forum]

i never knew

[plush mason]

reach was one of the first planets to fall to the covenant iirc

[sour hornet]

No

Last

Reach is like Cadia to Earth, only closer.

[dapper gyro]

Contact Harvest is the start, year 2525.

[sour hornet]

It's a fortress world and practically the home base of the UNSC military. It was one of the very last to fall.

[crystal forum]

oh so that's why there was massive artillery everywhere

and those huge cities

[sour hornet]

It's what they used in the ancient times before they were uplifted by being beaten by the Prophets and signing the Writ of Union, forming the Covenant.

[dapper gyro]

In the lore, the 7.62x51 is strong enough to fight off the covenant. Also, if you want a lore accurate Halo, the AR would have the same damage profile as the DMR, since they use the same ammunition.

Halo AR is a different beast between lore and game.

[sour hornet]

They use different propellant to be fair

[dapper gyro]

The BR, yes, not DMR.

[crystal forum]

the human assault rifle is the shittiest fucking main gun i have seen in any franchise both in looks and usefulness

[winter vessel]

It's a bit strange. you'd think the planet that is the heart of the UNSC military would have more Orbital Defense Platforms or at least the same amount as Earth's

[sour hornet]

UNSCs 7.62x51 uses different propellant to ours.

[sour hornet]

Reaches SMACs platforms are more powerful than Earth's though — larger and more expensive.

[winter vessel]

too bad, the ol'girl has never failed me in all titles

[languid meadow]

superspacepowder™️

[crystal forum]

bruh just left clicking until enemy dead

[median star]

darktide gameplay

[winter vessel]

well you ever try to short burst it?

[crystal forum]

you are hereby banished

[crystal forum]

no because it doesnt kill anything

i just drop it and get an actually good gun

[dapper gyro]

Well, the AR and DMR still share ammo, which mean they are still as powerful as on to the other.

[median star]

play ogryn mk3 club w confident strike and tell me its anything different

[crystal forum]

i love the shotgun

my love

[winter vessel]

ah so the furry does have good tastes

[plush mason]

the human shotgun was the best CQC weapon in 4

[crystal forum]

and reach

i love it in the discount zombie mode

[dapper gyro]

Reach was attacked by a full fleet, Earth was attacked by a much smaller fleet.

[winter vessel]

the KA CHINNG with every shot was ecstasy.

[sour hornet]

broken clocks... striking right twice to something

[near wasp]

the covent didnt even know earth was our homeowrld

[dapper gyro]

Nope, not until Halo 2...

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/P9Ho9bcQLjc

best sound

[winter vessel]

lets just be thankful Chief annihilated Truth's hidden fleet of 500 ships by destroying the Unyielding Hierophant

[dapper gyro]

They tried to glass every important planet, trying to purge human.

[crystal forum]

are they stupid

[winter vessel]

regret was

[dapper gyro]

They did get to earth before, but they don't know if it is the homeworld.

[languid meadow]

yeah the San'Shyuum are one of the stupidest species in the lore, from the ancient times to now

[near wasp]

no we just purged the nav data every time we encountered the covent

[languid meadow]

death to ball chins

[nocturne crest]

Hey, has someone tried to eat a Tyranid before?

[near wasp]

cole protocl

[crystal forum]

literally capture any fucking guy and torture them so they say that earth is our homeworld it's not like it's some top secret info

[plush mason]

nah it was the policy to wipe all data in the ship's computers if they ever got boarded, so they couldnt find the location of our homeworld

[languid meadow]

pretty sure Kroot have? don't remember how it turned out

[storm jungle]

Yeah, you get poisoned.

[crystal forum]

just capture ANYBODY

[plush mason]

also most human ships wherent maned

VI controlled

[crystal forum]

even a fuckign janitor

[nocturne crest]

Like the meat is tainted?

[winter vessel]

well if your race was on the line of Genocide and you were all that stood between hastening it or buy time, would you confess even if they'd still kill you?

[storm jungle]

Literally every single thing in a tyranid's body is hostile and venomous so yes.

[near wasp]

you think the average person can give galatic cords of a planet?

[nocturne crest]

Dang.

[crystal forum]

as a janitor i am not trained in this shit im a fucking janitor

[languid meadow]

the thing is the covenant didn't really take prisoners all that often

[storm jungle]

Best excuse.

[nocturne crest]

What about Kroot or Vespid?

[storm jungle]

Kroot thing its tainted meat

[crystal forum]

they just need to be drawn a picture right

[storm jungle]

Vespids dont eat Nids

[crystal forum]

that way at least they know what it looks like

[nocturne crest]

No, I mean, could I eat Kroot or Vespids?

[plush mason]

yeah and the humans would often fight to the death, because they didnt have much of a choice ether way

[near wasp]

??? you try to accurately draw a star in a 3d space

[storm jungle]

Probably. Depends.

[nocturne crest]

Like, has someone tried to eat them and the c'ow?

[languid meadow]

@arctic talon

[storm jungle]

We dont really know.

[winter vessel]

there were most likely humans who don't even know what Earth or where it is because they grew up on colony worlds

[plush mason]

huh?

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

like-

you ask people now

[near wasp]

aletreon?

[storm jungle]

most folks dont even know where the fuck most countries are

now make that in space lol

[languid meadow]

When Alatreon came out people review bombed iceborne because he was incredibly hard

[plush mason]

lmao

[near wasp]

he had such a dps check\

[plush mason]

and now they complain that wilds is too easy, classic

[dapper gyro]

All human colonies know about earth. They are still working for Earth.

[storm jungle]

They know it exists.

They doınt know its exact galactic spot lol

[winter vessel]

so really, even if the traitorous punk ass wanted to sell out humanity. they wouldn't even know where to begin. you'd have to kidnap some human that resided in the Sol System, which even then the Covies couldn't get into that fortified territory

[sour hornet]

The Forerunner device finder (basically) pinpointed to Erde-Tyrene as the location for the the Ark portal, where someone could activate the Halos remotely. The Prophet of Regret, regretfully jumped there immediately with a small excavation fleet, stumbling directly into Earth and its Home Fleet immediately.

[plush mason]

not where it is though

[dapper gyro]

Hence there are a number of rebellion, which leads to the Spartan program.

[languid meadow]

mfs can't even point out nations on a map and they LIVE here

imagine trying to point to earth on a star map

[winter vessel]

"Innies" such a funny nick name

[dapper gyro]

Spartans were created to kill human rebels, not aliens.

[storm jungle]

My favorite part of halo lore is how theres literally answers to all these questions.

Helps destroy bastards like Jay instantly.

[near wasp]

lol

[plush mason]

lol

[winter vessel]

mhmm

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-missile-explosion-kitten-baby-gif-12020335096465661960

this is him

good work chat

[winter vessel]

glassed his ass

[median star]

we should feed you soup of 1 week blinding

[near wasp]

xD

[storm jungle]

"What system is this? Where is it?"

"Uhhhhh"

"Sol?"

"The fuck is Sol?"

there lol

[plush mason]

where you drawing this in MS paint this whole tme?

[near wasp]

i cant

[crystal forum]

take a right turn when you reach proxima centauri

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sodaz-fallout-brotherhood-of-steel-operation-sunburst-gif-9203339257550863180

[crystal forum]

yes

[storm jungle]

"Whats Proxima Centauri?"

[crystal forum]

the closest star

[winter vessel]

this is how a Sangheili illustrates it. found some parchment and a crayon on a planet they were glassing and went tap tap "Do you know dis?"

[near wasp]

???

[storm jungle]

"What star, we are in space, theres millions of stars."

[median star]

the fuc is a jupiter

[crystal forum]

the one called proxima centauri

[dapper gyro]

Well, it is like the Covenant knows about the existence of the Halo ring, but they didn't see any until Halo CE.

[storm jungle]

Try explaining that to them

[crystal forum]

they would shoot me

after 5 minutes

[dapper gyro]

There are different level of "knowing".

[near wasp]

exactly

[plush mason]

yeah the covenant dont know the names we humans use for the stars

[winter vessel]

look if you just watch the H2A terminals, Regret was given a forerunner device they found on a colony world that mapped out a route to "Erde Tyrene" or Earth. THERE. end of story

[sour hornet]

Human ships rarely are disabled by Covenant ship-to-ship weapons, typically being gutted with all hands lost. Ships that are boarded are self-destructed and nav-wiped.

Prisoners are rarely taken, both due to humanity being seen as vermin.

And the fact that prolonged human exposure risks the fact being exposed that humanity are inheritors of the Forerunner legacy. That risks the entirety of the Covenant being exposed as a lie, fracturing the Writ of Union.

Humans, thusly, are typically executed on sight.

[plush mason]

yeah thats the only reason they found earth at all. forerunner tech

[languid meadow]

Yeah the forerunner device would've used the old name for earth that the humans and forerunners used

[sour hornet]

Erde-Tyrene

[winter vessel]

that is false. we would shoot you as you were in the middle of explaining it

[crystal forum]

covenant capturing the dumbest fleet officer

[near wasp]

i dont know whats worse this convo or hand of abbadon

[dapper gyro]

Abbadon can die alone.

[winter vessel]

he will continue to scrap every bit of justification to land a win on this argument. even if there is nothing more to go on.

kinda like covie remnants

[vagrant fox]

I respect the commitment

[languid meadow]

the baiter

perhaps a master at it

[plush mason]

which Abbadon? i know of like 5 of them both real world myth and fiction

[dapper gyro]

ALL OF THEM

[vagrant fox]

It's like knowing that Oni are the good guys and nothing can convince me otherwise

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/guild-wars-gw1-gwnf-nightfall-guild-wars-nightfall-gif-26260381

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside dont take Jay's arguing seriously he mostly does it as a joke, he isnt being that serious, hes like that "Well thats silly man I dont know!" friend you got more than "Well no you guys are wrong 🤓 "

[winter vessel]

damn it, i need to get off YT, early access content creators are already posting full playthroughs of Doom Dark Ages

[storm jungle]

Oh shit based

good thing i dont are about spoilers, time to watch an all cutscenes video

[languid meadow]

2 days

I NEED IT

[plush mason]

what about dunking your head in a bucket of battery acid? would that work

[dapper gyro]

Mood kindred!

[vagrant fox]

It's Doom, there can't be that much new stuff going on

[sour hornet]

ONI needs some baddies for PR support. Osman ain't doing it.

[languid meadow]

The final episodes of Andor come out tmr

[near wasp]

ive been around long enough to know when jays being jay

[storm jungle]

Aka all the time

pretty gay

[near wasp]

pretty much

[median star]

perhaps even gay

[storm jungle]

hey I just said that

[vagrant fox]

Big censorship is at it again

[winter vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-guy-filthy-frank-kinda-gay-its-kinda-gay-gif-21281549

[median star]

yea but youre evil and im whimsical

[winter vessel]

2nd that

[crystal forum]

you're just weird

[storm jungle]

Timed out for 60s

[plush mason]

why do you have a "dev" tag?

[languid meadow]

1984, F451