40k-lore-chat

[astral burrow]

If they add maddie to league I might reinstall

[queen laurel]

What the f*** did you just say

[late osprey]

its awesome

[arctic talon]

Lol

I like how it’s a coin toss if Riot’s lore team randomly decides to put effort into a skinlines lore

Or if it’s just

[late osprey]

that line is about a great multi-generational cosmic war between the embodiments of light and dark

[arctic talon]

“Idfk Christmas time”

[late osprey]

putting all that effort into cowboys got me seriously malding

[queen laurel]

The amount of effort they put in on the april fool skins

[arctic talon]

Dawnbringer Riven and Nightbringer Yasuo had a kid

At least one

[queen laurel]

Is f****** hilarious

[arctic talon]

Which is Nightbringer/dawnbringer Soraka

[queen laurel]

Okay

[late osprey]

Garen and Darius are also both the distant descendents of Riven and Yasuo

[arctic talon]

They claim to be

[queen laurel]

What the hell

[arctic talon]

Imo they’re lying

[late osprey]

they most definitely are, the aesthetics are way too similar

but whether they are or aren't, they're in the same universe

[arctic talon]

I do like how the Dawnbringer nightbringer thing eventually devolves into the wardens and marauders

Anyways riot please give more lore

[late osprey]

i'd be one of God-King Darius's elite screamers

he'd give me one job:

https://tenor.com/s4R7xbsejgw.gif

[arctic talon]

I need that Xin zhao comic

[queen laurel]

Okay so disregarding the star dragon who is the biggest champion in runeterra?

[arctic talon]

And I need it now

[arctic talon]

Idfk malphite?

He’s literally the size of a mountain

[astral burrow]

#league-lore

[queen laurel]

He is mountain size

[late osprey]

aatrox is up there

[queen laurel]

Yeah that works

[arctic talon]

Aatrox’s size changes

[late osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8p_brCVNOA

[arctic talon]

He fluctuates based on how many bodies he has fueling him

[late osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqE9xy0OMKY

[arctic talon]

Technically he’s just the sword

[astral burrow]

Riot MMO when

[arctic talon]

When they finish it

lol

[queen laurel]

Renekton and nasus can also get pretty massive

[astral burrow]

It is such a nice world but I am not playing a card game nor a moba

[queen laurel]

But not to the same degree as malphite i reckon

[late osprey]

darkin are one-host andies, im not sure where the body fuel lore comes from

because i read that shit root to stem for my internship application

or

root to leaf

[arctic talon]

Aatrox’s host body falls apart fast

So he uses hemomancy to patch it up

With other bodies

[late osprey]

yes but hes not a conglomeration of multiple bodies, he leaps from single host to single host

in tryndamere for example the implication is strongly that he's the next ship to jump to

[astral burrow]

Lmk when chat is Maddie or Caitlyn or 40k again

[late osprey]

unfortunately, aatrox is cooler than both maddie and caitlyn

[arctic talon]

Now

[astral burrow]

They are hotter so idc

[arctic talon]

Hive secundus

I need more lore GW

Gimme

[late osprey]

the secret darktide hive?

[queen laurel]

Necromunda yeah?

[arctic talon]

No the necromunda one

[astral burrow]

O holy emperor, grant my g more pixels

[queen laurel]

Screw that i want more tech hunters for other houses

Why do the super advanced fellas that have access to an stc get one

Where's the rest of the factions

[arctic talon]

Waiting room

[queen laurel]

Yeah that makes sense

[astral burrow]

I want minis and tools at my door

I am at eurac 5, do I enable the dlc now?

Right after he prologue

[celest dome]

Spyrer or Van Saar ?

[queen laurel]

Vann

[astral burrow]

Meh enabled it

[celest dome]

They have their rigs, their hover boards, and that's basically it, dunno what they should get next

I somewhat want to see what they've got planned for Orlok the most, as atm they don't really have anything that's noteworthy

[queen laurel]

You're an or lock fan

Not surprising

[celest dome]

Not really

Delaque and Ash Waste

[queen laurel]

You like empire and dwarves if you said you like orlock i wouldn't even be surprised

But on another hand good taste

Me personally i'm a ironhead squat prospector ash waste and goliath type of guy

[celest dome]

Tbf, there are very few factions that I dislike

Goliath I never really vibed with

Slave ogryn are great

but they need more stuff

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah of course the

Slave ogreens are my

Many favorites

[queen laurel]

To be fair

It's very hard to beat a group of giant 10 ft tall ab humans with mechanical implants

These guys are literally strong and big enough to go to toe with the brutes of the other factions

Kind of make sense why even with their little numbers they can still hit you like a truck

[astral burrow]

Does a psyker have to be skinny as hell

Screw it I will change class too

[queen laurel]

Biomancy bro

Read on that

[astral burrow]

Lmao

My guy ended up looking like blazkowich or something

[queen laurel]

Literally turn yourself into a buff superhuman with biomancy

[astral burrow]

No portrait fits...

[celest dome]

Meant more about the design but ye, grenade chucker Slave ogryn is really one of the most fun build you can do

[astral burrow]

Meh imma just pick the closest

[queen laurel]

I can see that

More design variations won't hurt but

Adding them new units is just seemingly impossible

Not impossible just very hard

The gang of brutes it's a

They will bash and club or anything they hit

[astral burrow]

Ministorum priest is just religion stuff?

[queen laurel]

It also helps you in melee

[sharp pollen]

guys why

i need to know

[astral burrow]

Lore wise

Not gameplay

[opaque coyote]

Yes

And no

The Horus Heresy books exist

But they are

60+

[queen laurel]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

And also you don't need to read them

[queen laurel]

They are just priests

[opaque coyote]

Melee in 40k is

[astral burrow]

Gah

[opaque coyote]

Like

Prevalent

[astral burrow]

The outfit looks cool...

[queen laurel]

To be fair you can role play your priest to be a different

[opaque coyote]

The only faction that doesn't use melee (at least have a dedicated unit) is T'au

[queen laurel]

Person

[astral burrow]

I am asking about it only lore wise

[opaque coyote]

Look at above

Melee is important for 40k in and out of lore

[astral burrow]

Still wearing a priest outfit lol

[opaque coyote]

Basically if you don't use a sword/bayonet

You're a pussy in the Imperium's eyes

[astral burrow]

Doesn't tell me anything about what a ministorum priest does tho

[storm jungle]

its a priest

[queen laurel]

Yeah and?

I made an iconoclast priest

[storm jungle]

take a goddamn guess

or you know

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ministorum_Priest

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's all about religion and stuff what the hell did you expect?

[storm jungle]

READ.

[astral burrow]

God, which origin..

[queen laurel]

The pick up a flame thrower

Or something m

[astral burrow]

Hmmm

[queen laurel]

Well they do pick up flame throwersbut that's besides the point

[opaque coyote]

Oh.

Mainly just being a priest while also murdering people

That's also it really

[astral burrow]

Would cassia like a priest?

[opaque coyote]

They're priests

[storm jungle]

She doesnt care.

shes a navigator.

[opaque coyote]

Like

[queen laurel]

Companions do not give a crap about origin

[astral burrow]

A priest dating a navigator sounds silly lmao

[storm jungle]

A rogue trader dating a navigator also sounds silly

[queen laurel]

You're a rogue trader

[astral burrow]

As a person I mean I know it doesn't effect the game

[queen laurel]

Do whatever the f*** you want

[astral burrow]

But I like to roleplay

[opaque coyote]

Rogue Traders in lore are extremely varied

[queen laurel]

In role play as a priest with common sense

[astral burrow]

I just became that out of necessity tho

[opaque coyote]

They're essentially the most "free"

[storm jungle]

No you became that because you are gooning for Cassia

[opaque coyote]

They can basically do a lot

[astral burrow]

Nah I became that cuz it was on gamepass

[opaque coyote]

I would say "whatever they want within common sense"

But it's the Imperium and common sense kinda doesn't exist

[astral burrow]

[queen laurel]

Look don't think about your origin as like a constraint

Think of it as like

Flavor

[storm jungle]

Nah, you are gooning you cant hide it

[queen laurel]

You can literally be anything

[opaque coyote]

But basically as long as the Rogue Traders* don't literally worship Chaos.

They can do whatever and be whatever

Some even have Xenos companions

[astral burrow]

I am not hiding it but she ain't why I started rogue trader

The game just caught my eye

[storm jungle]

[astral burrow]

I didn't even know romance was a thing until I started

A friend told me

God I am having choice paralysis what origin do I pick

[opaque coyote]

Tbf you need to actually play the game to find somebody to goon

Cassia doesn't even appear in like the promotional material

So

[queen laurel]

What type of flavor of a person do you want to be

Just pick that

[opaque coyote]

Congratulations welcome to something called an RPG

[astral burrow]

I don't know honestly lol

[opaque coyote]

Just

[astral burrow]

I would like to just be some dude

[opaque coyote]

Pick whaetver

Literally just pick whatever if you don't know

[astral burrow]

It was easy in bg3

[queen laurel]

You're a rogue trader

That's like

[astral burrow]

Monk

[storm jungle]

Easy in BG3?

[queen laurel]

As far as

[storm jungle]

People spent like an hour making their characters in BG3

[queen laurel]

From a normal person as you are

[astral burrow]

10 mins at best for me and I cooked

[opaque coyote]

Okay listen Krait.

Rogue Traders in lore don't really have a defined personality/archetype

You can be as extreme as you like

Be a hard-line Imperium loyalist

Be somebody reasonable

Fuck a Xeno

[astral burrow]

Yeah but that happens within the game

[opaque coyote]

Literally you can fuck a Xeno

[queen laurel]

Here's the thing you're origin kind of doesn't matter besides a few interactions

[astral burrow]

This is like my first Warhammer character so I want it to be special

[queen laurel]

I am genuinely being honest here

[astral burrow]

It matters to me roleplay wise lol

That's why I am having a hard time

[opaque coyote]

Honestly my advice?

Play as if you're a rogue Trader

Like

[storm jungle]

Maybe read the lexi first

[opaque coyote]

You yourself

[storm jungle]

just incase

[opaque coyote]

Because like

[storm jungle]

before I ram it up your-

[astral burrow]

Of each origin?

[queen laurel]

I swear every new guy that comes here don't read the damn thing man

[astral burrow]

I gotta sleep in 10 mins gotta pick fast

[opaque coyote]

That's what I usually do for every rpg

[opaque coyote]

Firstly I play as if I was in the world

[queen laurel]

Just pick a criminal because talking to you is a crime in itself

[opaque coyote]

And then I branch into different lore characters

[queen laurel]

F*** it

[opaque coyote]

Also Krait just

Decide

[astral burrow]

What did I dooo

[opaque coyote]

You're giving me brain danage

My bramS.

[queen laurel]

Coming from laati

[opaque coyote]

Wmmwo

[queen laurel]

It's impressive you gave him brain damage

[storm jungle]

*drain bamage

[astral burrow]

Fine, navy officer

I like starships

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I get choice paralysis. I also have that in RPGs at times

But honestly, the best way to start is just

[queen laurel]

Finally

[opaque coyote]

Do whatever

Just start it

Play the game

And in your second playthrough, choose a solid archetype

[astral burrow]

Officer archetype, it is in the name

[late osprey]

wild that navy officer origins dont get special bonuses for space combat tbh

they really should

[opaque coyote]

Tbh with how big the ships are

Maybe the navy officer only knows a specific part

[storm jungle]

they hit their head and forgor....

[astral burrow]

Wait, I don't get the darkest hour and biggest achievement options?

[opaque coyote]

...

Ogryns when you try to tell them how a Bolter works

[storm jungle]

More like Laati when you try to tell them how a bolter works

[astral burrow]

Huh, the mod to change my looks didn't work

I guess I will just start over

Only losing the prologue anyway

[opaque coyote]

That was for Autoguns though

Also tbf there's way more misinformation on Autoguns because of like

[astral burrow]

Does the expansion add anything to the prologue?

[opaque coyote]

One book

[opaque coyote]

No

[astral burrow]

Ah

Alright, I will start the game over tomorrow

[opaque coyote]

I once had the idea where there was a planet full of like

Intelligent Ogryns

[astral burrow]

Settled on navy officer with officer archetype

[opaque coyote]

But every time the Imperium comes to check on them

They basically play dumb

[astral burrow]

My party is gonna be the tech priest, the space wolf, and cassia

[opaque coyote]

So that they don't get exterminated

[astral burrow]

Gonna be fun

[late osprey]

actually rogue trader goes pretty in depth in this where the naval officers are pretty much only involved in commanding the ship

so you're not gonna see a naval officer that's in charge of the engines

[opaque coyote]

Yeah so I can imagine that the reason why there's no bonuses is because you don't actually know how the fucking controls work. You've basically just ordered people.

[astral burrow]

Criminal and navy officer would have the easiest time to settle into being a rogue trader right?

[opaque coyote]

Pretty much

Yeah

[late osprey]

noble is THE quintessential rogue trader one

[opaque coyote]

Tbf most nobles might as well be criminals

[late osprey]

also the RT ship is a sword-class frigate, to my knowledge every naval officer essentially starts their career on a frigate unless they're lucky/have connections

[opaque coyote]

COMMUNISM-

[astral burrow]

Wonder what Theodora was like before she became rogue trader

What was her origin

[opaque coyote]

Noble.

[late osprey]

honestly there's no reason lore-wise why a naval officer wouldn't be a superior voidsman, but game has to be balanced or something

[opaque coyote]

Most Rogue Traders are Nobles

[astral burrow]

If my guy was a noble, wouldn't he already know of his heritage

[late osprey]

like if you're John Rogue Trader, your origin is a noble

[late osprey]

not necessarily

you can be noble without being a rogue trader

[opaque coyote]

Nobles make a lot of children

Could be like the 53rd son

[astral burrow]

Deep

[late osprey]

in fact, long-lost cadet branches are probably the MOST likely source of rogue traders since rogue traders are spending a lot of time with nobles

which means

well

you know

[opaque coyote]

And only got the role because everyone else before him are dead

[astral burrow]

Would have gotten it even if they weren't

I am goated

If I don't take the time to save the people on that one part, does the other candidate not die?

[opaque coyote]

Idk play the fucking game

See what happens

Make mistakes

It's fine

[astral burrow]

Fine I will get them killed this time

[opaque coyote]

Yey

[astral burrow]

[opaque coyote]

Murder

Now you're a true Imperial

[astral burrow]

And it will haunt me the entire run

And I will open up to cassia about the regret

[opaque coyote]

@late osprey actual interesting question I gave

*have

Should we actually judge 40k characters with our standards of morality?

I mean yes because fiction

But like

[astral burrow]

Nah

[late osprey]

they don't exist so judging them doesn't actually do anything

[astral burrow]

But I will make choices depending on my standards of morality

[late osprey]

so does not judging them

[languid meadow]

I do the same thing I do with history, you judge them by both their times and ours

https://tenor.com/view/los-pollos-hermanos-breaking-bad-the-los-pollos-hermanos-family-welcomes-you-gustavo-fring-family-gif-21941081

[late osprey]

i think it just depends on what you're trying to do

[opaque coyote]

Most of 40k is basically hell. Even some random hiver has probably killed like 10 people out of self defense.

Do you judge by their standards or yours? Provided that you actually care

[late osprey]

like what is the point of judging them one way or the other

for me its more about what the society and culture is advocating -- an ultraviolent 24/7 shootout landscape

rather than judging any individual character

[astral burrow]

Is it possible to just settle with your loved one in a backwater planet and abandon your duties as a rogue trader

[opaque coyote]

Because there are periods of human history where life was seen as less important. I guess you could 40k as a proxy to those times also.

Also it's fun to think about this

[late osprey]

there is actually an ending sorta like this

[late osprey]

i dont mean "what is the point" rhetorically, i mean LITERALLY what are you trying to conclude, because the answer changes

[astral burrow]

I AM GONNA WORK FOR THWT

Which alignment?

[late osprey]

just insist on not wanting to be rogue trader

[late osprey]

if its about "is Cornelius Orphanslaughter less evil than Brother Bloodstrangle" then sure you might as well just use your own morality at that point

[astral burrow]

Is it like a full ending I have to play through the whole game to get?

[late osprey]

no lol

its like the far cry special endings

[astral burrow]

Or one of those "bad" endings where a game just

Yeah

Like those 20 nier automata endings

Do I have to start over if I get that

[late osprey]

no unless you disabled autosave or some psychotic reason

[astral burrow]

Nah I won't

I manual save regularly too

[late osprey]

personally i generally just dont think about an individual character's conduct unless it's evidence of their society/community

for instance every time some ludicrous galoot yaps about chaos being "actually morally gray" i just point to the legions of comically evil chaos marine characters that play basketball with severed nun heads

[astral burrow]

Nightyyy

[late osprey]

i guess by THAT metric i always judge by our morality, but its juxtaposed by the fact that i seldom make judgements in the first place

[opaque coyote]

Whether a character like say Cain is a "good or bad" person.

Because Cain does try his best to save his soldiers, and tries his best to save lives, even at the risk (and denial) of himself.

But he is still a commissar. He has most likely committed atrocities casually. Atrocities that would be considered abhorrent currently.

But in the Imperium (AKA the system), Cruelty is needed. If you aren't cruel, if you aren't part of the "death cult", if you aren't a martyr. Then you're useless. You might as well let somebody shoot you. It's why Cain refuses to believe that he is a hero. But he still has casually committed war crimes.

But literally everyone around him. The society around him. Requires it. It demands cruelty.

Would he be considered a good person constrained by the system? Somebody who has no choice? Or still an abhorrent individual, just slightly less than the rest.

[astral burrow]

40k gallery doesn't have a portrait that suits my guy...

[late osprey]

i'm something of a deontologist myself, so i personally would say the latter

and for purposes of discussion on the meta, it's more convenient to communicate with the common modern morality than to assume an in-universe ethical persona

although specifically i'd also say you can do a lot worse than Cain as well

Commissar Killblaster is probably still a lot worse

also, commissars by their very definition are hardly the "baseline" human even in 40k

Joe Necromunda even still may not be capable of the sorts of crimes a Commissar is

[outer wave]

Cant you upload your own photos? I know other Owlcat games can do this

[astral burrow]

Yeah

But I can't find any online that look like my guy lmao

And I am definitely not gonna ai generate one

[opaque coyote]

I kinda chose Cain because he isn't the worst Commissar. He might genuinely be the best.

I know that in 40k you can 100% do worse.

But do the circumstances of the universe change morality?

I think it's an interesting conversation to have

In a Grimdark Galaxy, where you're born in. Do you still have a choice to do good

Or is the galaxy so miserable that the definition of good, of being moral, has shifted permanently.

[storm jungle]

I think its a dumb one.

"We cant apply our morality to these people"

we absolutely and always can, there shouldnt be some weird disconnect

Evil is evil.

[opaque coyote]

To be honest, I don't believe in that completely either.

[storm jungle]

I mean there isnt much to believe

[opaque coyote]

But there's also the fact that...

If you literally don't murder mutants, then you will be tortured to death and then become a Servitor.

[storm jungle]

its a very bad whistle used by people to defend awful factions

its the same as it is in Star Wars as it is in Fallout and many other fandoms

[astral burrow]

Nighty night fun people

[late osprey]

there's a fundamental difference between a historical context and a fictional context as well

fiction is generally written by people like

1-30 years ago

who share our morality

the sins of fictional characters are very purposefully sins

[astral burrow]

People you tend to call evil aren't doing those things out of necessity or anything anyway

[late osprey]

but judgement in history can actually be more harmful than not

[astral burrow]

If they are it is not really evil

[late osprey]

but historical societies/characters are too easily confused with fictional ones

[storm jungle]

Depends on the faction.

the Imperium very much usually does things due to just being evil

they cope with it by saying its to protect humanity while killing billions in thousands of ways

[astral burrow]

Yeah you can't really defend that saying it is just the way of that world

They are part of why the way of that world is that way

[late osprey]

i think the Imperium's sense of morality is undoubtedly different, but the point of that is more to demonstrate how warped and twisted humanity has become in 40k

than anything more matter-of-fact that we'd expect of history

[astral burrow]

Some random imperium soldier who was pretty much brainwashed by the empire you can't really blame that guy now tho

[storm jungle]

I mean

its easy to say that until hes the one gunning down your family

[opaque coyote]

True. It is also fiction as well. Obviously 40k is a universe that shouldn't be emulated at all. It is everything bad about humanity turned into one of the worst regimes.

But at the same time, I can't help but wonder that.

If you are taught nothing but evil. Taught to fear. Taught to sacrifice your life for practically nothing. The population brainwashed throughout literally 10,000 years to the point where it is reality.

How much can we judge?

Then again maybe I'm just thinking too deeply about a game where you paint expensive figurines and bring them to games.

[astral burrow]

On an individual scale those people literally know nothing else

[late osprey]

we can say that the society's evil and that he's evidence of it

[storm jungle]

^

Again its easier to say this with a disconnected view compared to being actually there persay.

[storm jungle]

You are still evil.

[storm jungle]

We can judge these people because we are arguably living in probably one of the more relatively best phases in human history compared to our past.

[late osprey]

ethical standards can change so dramatically, especially in fiction where it's literally any sort of ethical code you can conceive of, that the only actually useful ground for communication is the one we share

[opaque coyote]

Also tbh I talk about this because I know you guys won't be like "The Imperium is great! Clearly we need to massacre all the minorities!"

[rocky gale]

I forgot today was Tuesday

I should be watching Andor

[late osprey]

in fiction it's generally better to apply conventional morality because that helps understand the setting better

[outer wave]

The Imperium is great! Clearly we need to massacre all the minorities!

[late osprey]

since again, it was all written by people with conventional morality in the first place

[opaque coyote]

I also think this is why fiction is important

Because although 40k is a ridiculous scenario, it does help us think about what if people were put in said scenario.

[outer wave]

You know, speaking of people that talk like that, I havent seen one in #40k-lore-chat in a very long time

[opaque coyote]

It helps us think of possibilities.

Even if they are impossible, how would we react if it does

Because we don't know a lot about reality

[storm jungle]

Theres always time for more

[late osprey]

we have a generally decent understanding of human nature, it's entertainment to think about for sure

but i dont necessarily think 40k is, was, or was ever intended to be, some grand commentary of human ethics

[astral burrow]

It is out?

[late osprey]

and i really fear for the people that use 40k to influence their moral understanding

[outer wave]

Well, thats assuming the piece of media is written well generally. I think it can be easy to botch that up, but 40k gets away with it because of how downright dumb the setting is and how alien the current cultures are in comparison to ours.

[opaque coyote]

40k is inherently made to be ridiculous.

[outer wave]

I imagine, but I really havent seen them come in here and try and debate people in like a couple years

[opaque coyote]

Even back then

[late osprey]

MOST fiction involves some sort of alien and distinct society from our own

[opaque coyote]

Sure it's taken more seriously, but it is still known for being

[late osprey]

but in fiction those societies always have a meta-point

[opaque coyote]

Extremely fucking stupid

At times

[rocky gale]

I've seen people complain about Andor S2 but I'm loving it, every week I'm tuning in and wondering what hijinks my little autistic space fascists are going to get up to.

[storm jungle]

Nah S2 is fucking great

[rocky gale]

Should be, new episodes every Tuesday

[storm jungle]

people are just upset at star wars being taken seriously in the show again lol

[astral burrow]

Can't be as good as the first one I assume but should still be better than usual

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-dedra-smile-dedra-meero-denise-gough-fake-smile-gif-307781492153472320

[opaque coyote]

Related

[rocky gale]

Like this scene, I loved this scene so much

[opaque coyote]

OH NOOO-

[late osprey]

most of the reasonable upset was about everyone's favorite Imperial Lieutenant to my knowledge

especially as it sorta came in like a Jerry from Tom & Jerry's cartoon hammer around the corner

[opaque coyote]

Are they doing this thing called

[storm jungle]

Also the 🍇 scene

because apparently its "too real"

[late osprey]

yeah thats the one

[opaque coyote]

Actually exploring the fictional universe and possibilities it has??

[storm jungle]

yeah welcome to fascism lol

[opaque coyote]

... isn't that

The point

[storm jungle]

Yep. Fully.

[storm jungle]

YEP.

[rocky gale]

Seeing Star Wars Theory's "Vader wouldn't allow that" was so...

[storm jungle]

People just cannot accept that sometimes star wars can be for adults

[storm jungle]

Up there with "Guilliman wouldnt allow attack on Eldar."

You fucking think people lightyears away on some planet give a fuck what he says?

[late osprey]

i dont think its unreasonable to not want those themes in star wars even when it's a more mature tone

[opaque coyote]

I mean

He wouldn't if it was in front of him.

But he also allows and perpetuates the system, so he does.

[storm jungle]

I mean that theme is mature.

I say this as a female viewer and I very much am glad it was put in

people legit have reduced the Empire to just cartoon villains

[opaque coyote]

Also the fact that

Vader literally doesn't control the Empire. He is technically equivalent to the vice president in power, except he can murder people.

But he can't really do any policy changes

[storm jungle]

Its the same mistake people make with the Imperium yeah

"this wouldnt be allowed"

so isnt child slavery IRL

[late osprey]

im not even taking this as a "think of who might get upset!" stance, i just think it's reasonable to not want to see those subjects engaged in regardless of the context

[storm jungle]

yet people do it

lol

[rocky gale]

Oh yea if Vader was standing there he's probably kill the guy (Probably more because he's not doing his job rather than for what he was doing), but like even if Vader was on the ship in orbit and someone reported to him, he'd probably not give a shit.

[late osprey]

like 🍇 specifically is a very sensitive line

[opaque coyote]

Basically law and reality is different

Wow

Who knew

[outer wave]

BT fellas are wacky lil fellers

[opaque coyote]

Even if the Empire somehow wasn't evil (the chances of that happening is miniscule). This would still happen somewhere.

[storm jungle]

Its a universe dominated by a fascist empire, us getting to see forced slave labor and death in a dystopian facility being fine but not what fascists in position in power might do to innocent people should be up there, it was a risky and bold move and its better that it was left in.

[late osprey]

hell, i think youd even find that significantly more people are comfortable with scenes a la burning eldar children to death than anything like Assault

[late osprey]

my point is more just that i think the subject is controversial enough that i dont blame anyone for being upset

rather than whether or not it shouldve been in there itself

because i agree also that its a maximal way to demonstrate the evil at hand

[opaque coyote]

It's kinda similar to how we're fine with murder

But any sex immediately makes us uncomfortable.

Or how we hate war criminals in fiction less than somebody annoying.

Because "the war crimes aren't real, but my annoyance sure is"

[storm jungle]

The problem is they are upset for star wars being "serious" for once, I have not once seen people have a reasonable take on that scene beyond just wishing SW wasnt so "realistic" as Andor portrays it.

[opaque coyote]

They could also just

Not watch the show

[storm jungle]

Yeah but

[opaque coyote]

I mean Andor does warn before hand right

[late osprey]

but i also feel that subject is also ridiculously abused as "Look how EVIL this guy is" so i have some sensitivity in that regard, hence i empathize with both points

[storm jungle]

i gotta complain about wokeness on twitter.....

[late osprey]

that complaint is just silly LOL

even some friends who detested the Imperial Lieutenant scene still love that Andor is finally something that isn't "Filonislop"

[opaque coyote]

That is true. SA is a sensitive topic and needs to be treated with care in writing.

[outer wave]

Grummz when a woman is on screen and isnt a lesbian thats doing a cat fight with another lesbian

[opaque coyote]

And I do sympathize with people who just

Don't wanna watch that

[storm jungle]

Alright everyone

its time again

[opaque coyote]

But that is what warnings are for

[storm jungle]

look up "grummz" in gifs

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/grummz-gif-2747639456500579080

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/grummz-gif-8190275752857562770

[languid meadow]

I love Andor so much

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/grummz-milk-hammer-explode-smash-gif-14123138875338840402

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/grummz-gif-11525622485683929423

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

love the 4 instant gif posts, god

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-hammer-grummz-milk-gif-9237129228937837882

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/grummz-grummz-hammer-gif-1944642146898056757

[outer wave]

I love Grummz posting hour

[outer wave]

Yeah SA is one of those topics that HAS to be given great care not to seem like you're just making misery porn or a fetish out of it

[storm jungle]

Entire reason I never liked Berserk

[late osprey]

personally i find it to be almost always completely unnecessary unless specifically for some manner of catharsis

[languid meadow]

The only complaint I've seen of that is the asinine one that "the empire wouldn't do this" like what

[late osprey]

REAL, berserk is one of the champion examples of it handled terribly

[rocky gale]

Love Dedra and Syril though, when Andor wraps I'm going to need an 8 season Sitcom focusing on them, with Syril becoming a house husband, while Dedra keeps working her way up the corporate ladder..

[storm jungle]

I made it through it but god Im never reading that shit again.

SA SA SA every fucking chapter

[languid meadow]

my fascist power couple ♥️

[outer wave]

Personally, I think Casca's whole bit is handled mostly well, but the stuff beyond that can seem too much generally.

[storm jungle]

It is yeah its just eh

[late osprey]

i think it's evidence of just how much of a crutch it can be abused into

[outer wave]

Mhmm

[late osprey]

like the amount of times ive seen ficiton go "hmm how do we make this guy evil? Oh! I know!"

makes the blood boil

[outer wave]

Least it's not Blood Meridian I guess

Never read it but I know Holden does a thing or two to kids

[vagrant fox]

Blood Meridian handles it pretty tactfully

[late osprey]

i think in terms of narrative demonstration there is effectively no difference between SA and, say, mass genocide, in terms of demonstrating that someone is a bad guy. but, that one of those two is significantly more likely to make people put down the media at best or end up triggered at worst

[rocky gale]

The drivers reaction to Bix telling him about it perfectly shows what the Empire is in reality, the Driver doesn't care because he already knew what the LT was there to do (he's most likely done it before), the rest of the squad and his superiors all probably know as well, but nobody cares because the LT get's results in his job and he targets people that he knows the Empire doesn't care about, so it all just gets ignored.

[late osprey]

and so i generally write off SA in fiction as hack writing (except as aforementioned it's supposed to be cathartic which is valid, but this is exceedingly rare)

[late osprey]

Blood Meridian is of an entirely separate genre to conventional fiction as well, so i dont exactly hold it to the same absolute standard

[outer wave]

Mmmm fair

[late osprey]

like especially today, absolutely nobody is going into Blood Meridian expecting a mere cowboy story

or if they are they're in for a very very bad time

but when i pick up Sword of Truth, i have a right to expect a medieval fantasy novel without deranged hack writing

(it has it)

[arctic talon]

Deceive people into reading it/j

[late osprey]

"Berserk? That's actually just a really fun conan the barbarian-style sword and sorcery. Haha!"

[storm jungle]

💀

[late osprey]

i'd tear them into pieces

Burning's too good for them, hanging's too good for them!

[storm jungle]

Me reading berserk for the first time

First page

Horse

[arctic talon]

Me when the power hungry facist empire has bad people in t

Downside to making Star Wars for a mature audience, Star Wars fans are going to watch it

[late osprey]

im an extremist in anti-berserk so i could write pages against it

[arctic talon]

Lol

[late osprey]

a lot of people love it since as mentioned its not just Filoni writing about his favorite characters over and over for once

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/bitrate-scoundrel-horse-wall-that-maintains-bitrate-gif-1263884239468037889

[late osprey]

as a rough comparison to star wars's drought, it'd be like if Sandy Mitchell were the ONLY 40k writer

and would only EVER write about caiaphas cain

[arctic talon]

I’ve seen enough, give the Saw’s forces a bomb vest

[late osprey]

like sure its good and all but holy shit give us something else

[winter vessel]

i wish they could tell stories of Twilight Company. be like a band of brothers esque story

[late osprey]

my dream is a return to TOR era, specifically when the Galactic Republic and Sith Empire were in total war

give me Space WW2

i dont want to be a rebel i want to be a Space American liberating the galaxy

[arctic talon]

They already made them do a proper L shaped ambush with proper crossfire, I want to see more proper terror tactics lol

[late osprey]

Trooper is my favorite republic class btw

[winter vessel]

like wise.

[rocky gale]

I enjoy that Saw's message in the last episode was "We ain't living to see the end of this war, so may as well do drugs and blow shit up"

Now that's a Rebel

[arctic talon]

I’m ngl I like the rebellion a lot lol

They’re like my favorite Star Wars group

[late osprey]

Grand Republic in the outer rim be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpjwZ7Sg0Vo

[late osprey]

for me its highly, highly dependent on the individual media

Endor Hoth rebels are the best

[winter vessel]

i already knew i would like the Partisans after rogue one. their engagement on Jedha with that Imperial convoy reminds me of the urban warfare in the Middle east

[arctic talon]

The fact he does it while huffing gas fumes goes crazy

[late osprey]

but every time i see them with those wacky episode IV helmets

im immediately out of it

[arctic talon]

Those are goofy but I like the rest of their uniforms tbh

[late osprey]

yeah the Endor dudes look great

well

90% great

[rocky gale]

Earlier in the episode "Hey breathing this stuff in will kill you" Then the second the gas comes out he's running over and taking a big whiff

[late osprey]

i dont like the "open jacket + white t-shirt" aesthetic whatsoever

[winter vessel]

i mean you gotta respect the Alderaanian security, that one dude was clutch with the death star plans back in rogue one

[late osprey]

helmets + tactical gear though?

hell yeah

[arctic talon]

Oh I don’t think they’re actually like not hard as nails, they just look silly imo

[rocky gale]

Yoo Rex cameo

[winter vessel]

i remember these art concepts for rebel soldiers

[late osprey]

i'd be a Rebel trooper laying down suppressive fire on the Imperial Menace

when Squad gets its GCW update that's gonna go so hard

[dapper gyro]

Why the fucking visor...

[late osprey]

ill just be a rebel all the time

[arctic talon]

I also like the way the soldiers look in rogue one tbh

The tactical gear and like

Beige/brown uniforms

[winter vessel]

the pathfinders looked damn good

[late osprey]

hell yeah they look badass

[dapper gyro]

Rogue one uses all modern gun prop instead of post WW2 ones.

[winter vessel]

and considering some of the actors/ extras in rogue one were ex-military they didn't look too off in their motion

[rocky gale]

Damn this is just reminding me of the character I made for a Star Wars TTRPG game that never went ahead

[arctic talon]

Oof

I like how Andor has the Star Wars AK lol

Good choice of blaster aesthetically and I wish it showed up after

[late osprey]

they shit the bed with the New Republic soldiers honestly

its so sad

[arctic talon]

Episode 1-3 for season 1

[late osprey]

they should've went with the EU new republic soldiers

[winter vessel]

they went full on trekkie with that

[late osprey]

these guys look SO cool

[vagrant fox]

First time I really liked how rebels looked in Star Wars

[late osprey]

its unreal

[arctic talon]

Star Wars legion with no sequel stuff l lol

It’s just OT + prequel

[late osprey]

imagine if New Republic soldiers looked like that

what could have been...

[winter vessel]

one thing i like about andor is they show off non-stormtrooper corps branches as well. giving some light to the standard Imperial Army

[languid meadow]

Imperial Army my beloved

also the ISB security are also cool

[late osprey]

ill never not be needlessly upset when guns in groups are held like that

[rocky gale]

We were going to be playing in the Warlords era of Legends, my character was secretly going to be a former ISB Data analyst who's job was developing the best method of countermeasures for each given planet in the Empire in the event it turned Rebel.

[late osprey]

like do they just have two lefties?

is the galaxy ambidextrous?

its not just star wars btw just every time i see it period i get bothered

[arctic talon]

Ironic that their show of force led to the event being way more bloody then it had so

[rocky gale]

I'd planned on playing with whether or not my character knew if the countermeasures were actually going to be used or not.

[arctic talon]

That’s fun

[rocky gale]

Insisting that they believed it was all theoretical

[winter vessel]

Andor really was just a fresh break for me without having any Jedi/sith factors. like, the galaxy is still bigger than the force being its focal point, there's a lot to explore

[languid meadow]

yeah it's the folly of the empire, big over the top responses to show dominance but it only leads to a bigger rebel force

when Alderon got destroyed it caused many worlds to outright rebel and many imperials to defect

[arctic talon]

The harder you try to close your fist the less you can hold onto or something

[late osprey]

sucks that these are all outdated fr fr

russia has unfortunately solved it

[winter vessel]

ill take the fist over whatever pansies took its place in canon.

[late osprey]

we'll need stories in settings like that

[late osprey]

new republic lore is so goofy its unreal LOL

[languid meadow]

Pretty sure the heavy handed responses were a part of the Tarkin doctrine which is why the Emperor loved him

[rocky gale]

Oh and that was one of the secrets I'd worked out with the DM, I'd told everyone else that I defected after learning my work was being used, but in actual fact my department got liquified after the Death Star blew up Alderaan because they believed it wasn't needed anymore.

[late osprey]

"yeah immediately after winning the war they proceeded to demilitarize even though imperial remnants still control like 25% of the galaxy"

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/seen-it-marty-back-to-the-future-ive-seen-this-one-gif-5960361

[late osprey]

like

[winter vessel]

that one episode in the Mandalorian of how Pershing pretty much got lobotomized shows how shortsighted the NR became. and INCOMPETENT

[late osprey]

????

[languid meadow]

Oh hey the reason the old republic needed to rely on the clones

[late osprey]

its to such a point that i dont even like saying NR is incompetent

so much as the writers

like

god damn

its atrocious

[arctic talon]

Was your characters department in charge of Alderaan?

Or did it just get liquified for other reasons relating to it

[languid meadow]

The new republic pivoted HARD from the empire to it's own detriment which is shown as a bad thing in every piece of media they're in

[late osprey]

when the old republic demilitarized it was because there was like

[languid meadow]

which is nice

[late osprey]

actually 10,000 years of peace

and absolute control of the galaxy

[winter vessel]

what i believe they should've done was WAIT until Luke got his Jedi Order established and secure. there by being the natural peacekeeping force for Mothma to then enact limitations on its military

[languid meadow]

I mean they demilitarized right after a major battle iirc

[late osprey]

new republic demilitarized like RIGHT after the war when there's STILL an active existential threat

[arctic talon]

Mfw they’re actually competent in Squadrons

[rocky gale]

No, it for developing countermeasures for each world in the Empire, but when the Death Star became operational it was viewed that no other countermeasures were needed.

[arctic talon]

Ah that makes sense

[late osprey]

yeah in the battle where the sith empire and the sith in general appeared to be utterly extinct

there was NO competition

the republic controlled the entire galaxy, if only in name

[languid meadow]

I love my sith empire

[late osprey]

but like

[arctic talon]

The Death Star was the only required countermeasure

[late osprey]

in the sequel lore

the empire still lives LOL

they have a whole Imperial Remnant

its so silly

[arctic talon]

Not enough infighting lol

[late osprey]

itd be like america demilitarized after WW2

like

so outside of the bounds of reasonable reality

that it makes me mad on a meta level

[rocky gale]

I miss my Warlord era

[languid meadow]

They tried to bring it back to where systems would be their own defense since a lot of remnants where just pirate types at that point, unlike legends where they straight up controlled large parts of the galaxy

[winter vessel]

after the state episode 9 star wars left in, Lucasfilms was like "k so wtf happens to everyone in the galaxy"

[rocky gale]

It was peak, like sure Palpatine is dead but Imperial forces still control 90% of the galaxy, the Rebels fight wasn't over.

[late osprey]

they do control large parts of the galaxy even in disney lore afaik

[winter vessel]

that fleet at the end was bullshit

[late osprey]

like

they're still a galactic power

[rocky gale]

Which one Katana Fleet?

[winter vessel]

"Citizen Fleet" this was just an absolute mess seeing it on screen

[rocky gale]

Oh

[winter vessel]

definition of "random bullshit go"

when it came to making this

[rocky gale]

I was talking about the Warlord era from Legends

Not Rise of Skywalker

[winter vessel]

and with katana fleet

maybe a little bit of variety in ships it'd look cooler

[rocky gale]

Got to be honest, a lot of Legends is cringe. It's all about finding the good stuff and ignoring the bad

[winter vessel]

I kinda wish they'd go into the Rakghoul plague

[rocky gale]

Like Trioculous, The Supreme Slavelord of Kessel

Ignore him

Just ignore him please

[languid meadow]

At most the largest ones control systems and planets iirc, since like most of the Empires fleets were destroyed over Jakku, with largest being Pellaeon and Thrawn. But at the point they were demilitarizing Thrawn was no where to be seen, and the fleet that was left over by the time they were done with demilitarization could prob deal with Pell.

they didn't fully demil unlike the old republic

it's just they got complacent WAY too fast

which is shown in both the mandalorian and ashoka, and even in the sequel trilogy (despite all my rage)

[winter vessel]

Thrawn is the only thing that has me going related to the Imperials

[late osprey]

that i feel is profoundly unrealistic

[languid meadow]

Yeah it is

it's a big complaint people have

[late osprey]

man the opportunity was THERE

for my Space WW2

just have it be a massive on/off war between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant

for like hundreds of years

they had it on a silver platter

[languid meadow]

I would've loved a NR v First/Last Order

[winter vessel]

I heard someone argue that its because Mothma feared a government that has a large existing militant force would not look favorably by many planets/ sectors

[late osprey]

my ass is definitely charging an Imperial MG nest for the New Republic

[languid meadow]

Yeah NR era basically turned into the clone wars subplot of trying to get neutral planets into the republic again and a large military would've prob put a bad taste into their mouths

[late osprey]

idk i just think thats so silly

like the Empire still exists

you'd WANT to be part of an alliance with a large military

to defend against them

[rocky gale]

I remember having an idea for a story while the sequels were coming out, of basically two moons in this system, one has a Republic base on it and the other has an Imperial base. The only reason either base is there is to monitor the other base.

Then the First Order show up demanding submission and both bases end up working together to fight them off.

[late osprey]

like yknow what actually happens in modern politics

[languid meadow]

I like some bits of both legends and canon sequels but like the good doesn't last long

both have some insane problems

[late osprey]

"You know, if NATO has too strong of a military, Eastern European countries won't want to join us!"

truly, the geopolitics of the wisely-begotten

[winter vessel]

Yeah, i wanted two military forces to duke it out by the time of the sequels

like maybe a hidden fleet angle couldve worked

[late osprey]

me when they 180 from Space WW2 from Da Resisty

https://tenor.com/b2fan.gif

[winter vessel]

if it really was established in the Unknown Regions

[languid meadow]

apparently we'll get that in next movie or show with Thrawn V Ackbar but it's imperials v rebels again

[late osprey]

unfortunately it seems TOR is our only source of Space WW2 still

until Disney stops trolling

[languid meadow]

For all the problems Ashoka had Thrawn was great in it, glad they let him win for once

[winter vessel]

never realized how short enoch was in the series

[languid meadow]

Also nightsister stormtroopers are cool

[winter vessel]

but i'd say Night Troopers are one of my favorite designs

[languid meadow]

yeah that's one thing the new star wars has consistently done well is trooper designs

[winter vessel]

if there's one thing disney did right in my eyes it was Thrawn's character. A man who is so proficient, but was held back by dumbass subordinate officers who were glory hogging any chance they could get.

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-black-guy-gif-17915341

[winter vessel]

I like Gilad almost made me believe in the Empire

[languid meadow]

Anyway I find it funny that the empire has 3 different intelligence agencies

[rocky gale]

and they all hate eachother

[arctic talon]

Many such cases

[languid meadow]

ISB, II, and INI

[winter vessel]

i like how one doesn't have three letter acronyms

[rocky gale]

It's considered part of their job to fuck with each other

Wait what's the INI?

[languid meadow]

and I love how Imperial Intelligence (the army) is the reason they all get the cool deathtroopers

[languid meadow]

Imperial Naval Intelligence

[winter vessel]

Imperial navy intelligence

[rocky gale]

Ah

In Legends there was also COMPNOR

[languid meadow]

yeah COMPNOR still exists in canon iirc

[rocky gale]

Oh nice

[winter vessel]

Apparently the one who talks in Rebels was female. But because of their voice modulator I just thought they sounded yassified

[rocky gale]

Voiced by FemShep if I remember correct

[languid meadow]

Trying to remember what forces Naval Intelligence has since ISB has the Imperial Security Troopers, and Imperial Intelligence has Deathtroopers.

[winter vessel]

Ah hell I feel even worse, I like Jennifer Hale. Lol

[languid meadow]

Inferno squad I think but that's only a squad and not a core of troopers

[rocky gale]

Never forget CompForce

[opaque coyote]

And that is why

I never fucking touch it

in my writing

ironic given the subject matter

but

yeah it's something I am genuinely scared of ever getting close to try and tackle

[outer wave]

Yeah same, I try to actively avoid that stuff when writing not that I've done much writing at all

[opaque coyote]

Rule #1 of being a writer

Never actually write

[outer wave]

[opaque coyote]

Rule #2 of being a writer

Only write when you need to do something else

[outer wave]

God I remember trying to get into the groove of writing ine time and my friend spams the fuck outta my DMs so I inevitably check and immediately lost it

[vagrant fox]

Yea S2 of Andor seems pretty good, maybe Star Wars isn't the greatest franchise fumble after all

9.9/10 times I feel like a story is better off without SA involved, but sometimes if it's handled well it adds an oomf

[winter vessel]

was half expecting Negan from TWD to show up and stab that imperial with the bowie knife

but the creator's explanation, or at least how he worded it, for that SA sounds very narrow minded

[vagrant fox]

speaking of them zombie games and a conversation about months ago about the killzones and such

https://vxtwitter.com/ShitpostRock/status/1919681794003149117?t=FS-oE9zADLDmZ3GTgM66ew&s=19

Rock solid (@[e-mail])

https://t.co/njYfrGCbKA

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Resistance was cool

[winter vessel]

the aesthetic of the armed forces was something i always thought was cool in that series

[vagrant fox]

Too bad it was in the grey and brown era but it had very cool aesthetics

[winter vessel]

yeah, it was like a combination of second world war style clothing but also late 20th century technology

[opaque coyote]

Well this is the hardest comic panel I've seen today

[arctic talon]

@storm jungle this is new art of planetkiller right

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats new im pretty sure

that is like-

SUSPICIOUSLY detailed

[crisp heath]

Legendary pew pew

[storm jungle]

i wonder if they just traced the BFG1 model

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[winter vessel]

i like how it looks like a hand in certain angles

[crystal forum]

i remember seeing resistance cd's at the blockbuster when i was a kid and that cover art terrified me

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if anyone would be down to crowdfund 40k stuff into irl.

[crystal forum]

what does this mean

[sacred bluff]

Thrawn is the greatest character created in star wars

[nocturne crest]

Take someone from 40k, or alternatively Fantasy/AOS, and try to have someone create a real life version of it.

*something.

And through crowd funding.

[crystal forum]

again what does this mean

what do you mean real life version

that's models

they already exist

[nocturne crest]

Sorry.

I mean to scale it up to our size.

[crystal forum]

that already exists

just look up 40k con outfits

[vagrant fox]

real boomers had that with the RE1 zombie

[crystal forum]

a ton of basic bitches make space marine armour

[crystal forum]

at least i know what a blockbuster is

[nocturne crest]

I was thinking along the lines of sentinels or knights.

That you could get in and drive.

[crystal forum]

you'd need a couple hundred millions for that

given that the military doesn't have that stuff

[vagrant fox]

just get a M113 APC and paint it your favourite space marines

that's a bit cheaper, it's basically a rhino

[nocturne crest]

Best I can afford is Thatcher's battlebus.

[nocturne crest]

But that would be neat.

[crystal forum]

you could build a dreadnought out of M113's

or a titan

[vagrant fox]

https://fxtwitter.com/CommissarDraeci/status/1463480687684685826

Draeci (@CommissarDraeci)

For your midweek delight:
︀︀People often talk of the Warhammer World Rhino being functional.
︀︀Well here's noisy proof of it puttering around outside GW HQ and taking a speed bump!
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︀︀#WarhammerCommunity
︀︀#Warmongers #WarAnthem

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FxTwitter · Nov 24, 2021, 12:12 PM

i forgor they already did that

[storm jungle]

[nocturne crest]

https://vxtwitter.com/CommissarDraeci/status/1463506120300019721

Draeci (@[e-mail])

Prior to this it was red, and went faster.

QRT: CommissarDraeci
For your midweek delight:
People often talk of the Warhammer World Rhino being functional.
Well here's noisy proof of it puttering around outside GW HQ and taking a speed bump!

#WarhammerCommunity
#Warmongers #WarAnthem https://t.co/t1T2bagCoc

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 24, 2021, 1:53 PM

[late osprey]

blood ravens are just better vehicle engineers than ultramarines

[nocturne crest]

They did that have predator variant.

Sorry, the Rikarius Pattern Razorback

[storm jungle]

To be fair the Rhino is literally that one vietnam U.S APC

so not too surprised it functions

[plush mason]

the m113 or whatever

[storm jungle]

yeah that thing

[nocturne crest]

Yep.

[plush mason]

yeah i can see it

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1369478016304025651/IMG_5791.jpg?ex=681c014a&is=681aafca&hm=3e9e1738f8bb194881f624c47d9fd8952239510c8b1d1eb96764bb82a1ded127&

[nocturne crest]

The one that some guy thought he could turn into a plane.

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1369478382240268329/IMG_5792.jpg?ex=681c01a2&is=681ab022&hm=84de593cf5cf6d6e6bcc4518718e2fbc114adfd8e350f32710d4b4cee322c79c&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1369473339621638144/IMG_5784.jpg?ex=681bfcef&is=681aab6f&hm=4342b5a442a50a203f5b08c34884e407747c0a8870c1075578cfecad0e950cb1&=&format=webp&width=1157&height=856

[plush mason]

it was made to be airdropped which for some means its only 1 or 2 steps away from being able to fly

[plush mason]

yup

there where people saying the M1 could be able to fly

because the flying tank has been a pipedream since like ww2

[nocturne crest]

Yep.

[nocturne crest]

Isn't Sangua Terra the place Sanguinus fought that daemon of Khorne?

[arctic talon]

no

[storm jungle]

God I hate this artstyle

so clean

[crystal forum]

read previous posts nerd

we already said the name

[storm jungle]

No.

[crystal forum]

also the m113 is so damn cheap since it was made in the hundreds of thousands

you could prob buy one for less than a car

[storm jungle]

Basically "Terra" means "World/Earth" and its just used as a Cool Latin Name in some planets in the lore. Sangua is just coincidental because Sanguinius' name is also just a stolen common/generic latin word for blood with an "ius" at the end of it.

[crystal forum]

i love this site so much

https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?snc=wfsav&sc=ach-shop&jstp=sly&hpsr=&hpcs=1500&vndsld=0&saleType=A&srchType=

who wants to buy used aircraft parts

dilara do you want an altimeter

i can get you one for a good price

bruh a fucking tube monitor power meter for 800$

maybe if it was brand new and the year was 1995

oh wait no wrong listing

oh shit an optical power meter

no that's actually not bad

this seems like a good deal until you notice the shipping location

imagine the shipping costs for overseas

[vagrant fox]

I could use one of those for my groceries

[crystal forum]

this one's a bit of a fixer upper

but it's 3000$

why buy a hummer when you could get a humvee

original hummer baby

it even doubles as a pickup truck

i'd take this over the plastic shit

holy shit you can buy a boat

i want this genuinely

[viral halo]

Fuck

Good deal

[dusky scroll]

Can Big E eat non-human souls? Like.... Eldar?

[dapper gyro]

Maybe he could, but the cult following him would deem it heretical.

[shadow plover]

He doesn't consume the souls, the chair does

he just drives the chair

[queen laurel]

the chair is the one keeping him alive right?

[shadow plover]

more or less

[queen laurel]

damn that's rough

but well

this is the emperor we're talking about

[winter vessel]

pretty much a dude with extreme quadriplegia

[round tartan]

I've heard flight simulator enthusiasts sometimes buy real aircraft hardware for their custom controller rigs.

[astral burrow]

Good mornong

[astral burrow]

So the mini monies are going towards real life rhino and cars to crush

Fair enough ngl

[shadow plover]

that's also way before the current boom of revenue

[plush mason]

hell i can think of worst ways to spend it

[astral burrow]

Cars to run over with a tank is a pretty good way of spending it

[plush mason]

yes

[dapper gyro]

Most of those car are meant to be crushed anyway. I also doubt that it has the engine block inside.

[round tartan]

Did you know you can buy a decommissioned nuclear bunker for about half a million?

[dapper gyro]

That's cheap. However, many of the stuff inside are outdated. Even for living, it needs big repair bill, let alone renovating it into a mancave. Then the actual nuclear protection is questionable.

[round tartan]

The generators and pumps in the one I posted seem to be more or less in working order. Maintenance costs aside, the reason they're cheap is because the location, in the middle of nowhere, underground, is, let's say, less than optimal for almost anything other than military use.

[dapper gyro]

That's kind of the point of those shelter. The best way to survive is to not get hit in the first place.

Still, regardless of the location, a fully up to date bunker would cost more.

[crystal forum]

"177 foot tower with income potential"

i'm sorry how?

it's not even a radio tower it's just a tower

they prob removed all the equipment from it

[round tartan]

I mean the tower is still there, fully intact. I don't see why you couldn't lease it out to a radio station so they can put a transmitter there.

Or who knows, install a diving board up there so people can do bungee jumps.

[spare osprey]

Iron butchers, interesting homebrew

[astral burrow]

Time to start the navy officer run

[tough haven]

Hm, what would be a fair payment for a tech ganger hired by a tech priest to steal from a rival tech priest?

Tech ironically doesn’t seem like a good trade, as it can probably be tracked for an easy double cross

Unrelated but does anyone have the unedited image of this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241581790372560908/1309433504815251487/togif-1.gif?ex=681c697b&is=681b17fb&hm=08045480a3e4811c7f77102afc1477591410476b1abdb02c3863f23fe81d04ca&

cant find the image of khorne anywhere

[plush mason]

you mean this one?

[astral burrow]

I said I would walk through the fire this run but

Gah I can't

Damn it I will walk through

[tough haven]

Yes

[astral burrow]

Hmmm do I go for dogmatic or iconoclastic

I guess iconoclast is better for a first run

[tough haven]

Whatever calls to you

[astral burrow]

The emperor sure doesn't

[tough haven]

Mods, summarily execute this guy

[astral burrow]

Officer archetype is fun wow

Buffing allies constantly is so fun

I feel like a commander of some sort

Alright, rushed through the prologue

And I look good now

[spare osprey]

CORSAIR BOOK

HELL YEAH

[shadow plover]

ooh that's interesting

mike brooks too

either we get a cool novel or brooks makes a mockery of the aeldari again so win-win

[misty vector]

Aeldari power fantasy this time

[astral burrow]

Omg sub zero

Does it come with minis

[spare osprey]

No

GW are evil like that

[astral burrow]

Lmao

[rose thorn]

WHAT

Oh this characters first book was pretty good

[glossy sonnet]

girl you are NOT khorne

[rose thorn]

I am excited for her

Also saw the stormcast updates I’m pretty happy w/ them

[sharp pollen]

what chapter is she from?

[rose thorn]

Wha

[astral burrow]

Used a bunch of things on a machine in the navigator place

It blew up

Hope I am not gonna miss out on much lol

Only prologue has voice acting?

That's laaame

Why isn't cassia speaking?!

[queen laurel]

nope

Some of the very important voice lines are voice acted some are just not

It's not only prologue

[shadow plover]

it's like 30% spoken 70% written

[queen laurel]

yes

They voiced the very important parts of the story

and for the less important stuff well get to reading

[green loom]

I think they've recently been experimenting with having everything voiced

Mostly on account of both Wrath and Rogue Trader being super successful I think

iirc latest Wrath DLC had full voice acting?

[rose thorn]

Do you mean dynasty?

[queen laurel]

no he making a space marine joke

[rose thorn]

Ohhh

[astral burrow]

Prologue had so much voice acting tho