some sort of legend
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
I think its funny the way Piltover and Zaun resolve their differences is by permanently splitting from each other
twin city states
arctic talon
I mean
storm jungle
kaboom
arctic talon
I guess south sudan and north sudan
rocky gale
But like in the show they resolve it by giving Zaun a single seat on the council
arctic talon
haven't tried murdering each other in a while
crystal forum
turkey and everybody else
arctic talon
But like in the show they resolve it by giving Zaun a single seat on the council
the show is 8-10 years before modern League lore, its clear that its never going to work imo
rocky gale
Like we have made it fair by giving Piltover 6 seats and Zaun 1, we have reached true equality
arctic talon
Imo its clearly an imperfect solution no one likes
Just based on how Sevika looks at the other Council members
rocky gale
Yea but I wish I didn't need to know League lore to understand that
crystal forum
league lore should have remained a joke
crystal forum
because it's all an ad for LoL
arctic talon
its good
that doesn't change that
lol
the lore is divorced from the game as well
crystal forum
i didn't watch the cyberpunk anime either
rocky gale
Best part of the second season was that Margot returned and actually spoke this time
crystal forum
i am immune to propaganda
arctic talon
you don't need to play the game
storm jungle
because it's all an ad for LoL
damn
arctic talon
Best part of the second season was that Margot returned and actually spoke this ...
LOL
storm jungle
i wonder what other setting is like this
where the lore is marketing for the game
oh wait
arctic talon
Margot is hot I mean what
arctic talon
so was finn
crystal forum
rocky gale
Her season 1 appearance was literally just choking in the background
rocky gale
But we're so back now, we got more frames
arctic talon
that a lot of the chembarons got paintings in the League client minigame
crystal forum
she's showing her shoulders is she not afraid of being kicked out of highschool
rocky gale
She runs the Black Market for Prostitution, I don't think she cares for Highschool
arctic talon
also the meth rat Yordle
rocky gale
That's a yordle?
crystal forum
bottom left is gay
arctic talon
That's a yordle?
Yeah Smeech is a really messed up yordle
rocky gale
Oh also fishguy was based
arctic talon
you know what they say about yordles looking more like their region
yeah Smeech did that in the worst way possible by becoming a ruthless drug addicted psychopath LOL
arctic talon
Oh also fishguy was based
Oh the big dude? yeah I love him
arctic talon
Oh
rocky gale
Zero lines, only aura
crystal forum
those eyes
rocky gale
He literally says nothing in the entire show and is given one of the coolest moments in the final episode
arctic talon
storm jungle
God i NEED the concept book
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also Gj riot
for not having fucking elves and dwarves and stuff
in your fantasy setting
+1 point
rocky gale
His names Steb apparently
arctic talon
rocky gale
But the show never says it
bold veldt
fights giant fuck off monster with axe
rocky gale
So he's Fishguy
crystal forum
ah yes the vaguely islander race
arctic talon
Vastaya are very varied lol
bold veldt
But the show never says it
i swear the lesbian introduces him aslong as her
rocky gale
Oh maybe
rocky gale
Laris?
bold veldt
yes
rocky gale
Loris
storm jungle
McCree?
languid meadow
R.J MacReady
bold veldt
loris
bold veldt
yus
storm jungle
this was some real Ogryn vs Chaos Spawn shit
storm jungle
im gonna get it as a commission so i had it saved lol
arctic talon
like yeah the mohawk wasn't great but holy fuck lol
rocky gale
I love that Loris like literally just meets Vi on the street, shares a beer with her and then is instantly ride or die
Bro joins the Special forces with her
arctic talon
Alcoholics forever
storm jungle
like yeah the mohawk wasn't great but holy fuck lol
storm jungle
ALL THESE HAIRSTYLES
appeared after black panther
which is so fucking funny
lmao
arctic talon
I really don't get whats wrong with the fucking mohawk
like
is it the best no, but like
its not bad
bold veldt
Bro joins the Special forces with her
bro was ex-enforcer, decided it was wurf after several hangovers
storm jungle
its whatever
arctic talon
so he's got like
storm jungle
generic ahh
bold veldt
whatever the fuck this hairstyle is
jinx’s hairstyle here is amazing
so cool so rebellious
languid meadow
his alt universe haircut was better
arctic talon
ngl I actually like Jinx's hairstyle + color in league
but literally every other part of her arcane design is better
lol
its not even close
arctic talon
I do really like her original hair though lol
even if the rest of the design is
bleh to me
storm jungle
its very....
uh
jailbait
congrats for giving her at least realistic boob sizes tho
bold veldt
I do really like her original hair though lol
“What’s wrong with my pants?!”
bold veldt
ngl that enforcer was not smart
arctic talon
so glad its a free skin for her in League
languid meadow
forgot how good every scene the grey is in
languid meadow
languid meadow
#girlboss
#gasthepoor
bold veldt
https://tenor.com/view/arcane-caitlyn-kiramman-enforcers-zaun-the-grey-gif-52828...
the song playing here was peak btw>>>
rocky gale
I feel like another flaw of the season is that they never really addressed the fact that they were just straight up gassing entire neighbourhoods in this part
arctic talon
from the mom
"The people of Zaun deserve to breathe"
bold veldt
"The people of Zaun deserve to breathe"
YESS
languid meadow
the song playing here was peak btw>>>
yeah Hellfire was a great song def my fav out the season
also spin the wheel
arctic talon
yeah no the gassing of entire parts of Zaun was horrible lol
on the otherhand I have 0 sympathy for the Chembarons and their goons
but yeah no gassing Zaun was
💀
rocky gale
Also now that Jinx was mentioned I can post the ultimate crackship
arctic talon
LOL
oh yeah before you ask the Grey is extremely dangerous lol
it literally can melt your fucking face off
if you're exposed to it too long in high concentrations
how it feels to gas underdeveloped neighborhoods/j
bold veldt
Such a good opening artistically
“Where you gonna hide when it’s on sight
and the dogs start feeding.”
arctic talon
also I do love how the gas mask design in arcane for the hellfire portion
are partially taken from the Piltover Warden gasmask design which was pre-existing
arctic talon
It has the "softer" looking eyes
but it has the bottom part of the enforcer gasmask
bold veldt
where was HE during the events of Arcane
languid meadow
I like the look of both the enforcers and wardens, I think they both can exist with Wardens being like SWAT or something
arctic talon
bold veldt
coulda stopped all of Zaun
arctic talon
I like the look of both the enforcers and wardens, I think they both can exist w...
The Wardens are the "successor" to the Enforcers lore wise
its the same organization post PR scrub
and slightly less violent
they're not that much less violent
late osprey
enforcers being such jobbers is the saddest thing
languid meadow
Glory to Camille
bold veldt
hes holding a pillar as a doorbreacher
arctic talon
their prefered method of clearing rooms is with hextech "flashbangs"
lol
which are just
fucking hand grenades
late osprey
they're arguably more effective in S1 than S2 which is wild
they look WAY too cool to be jobbing like they are
this isn't 40k, they aren't the Moebian 6th
give them some Ws
bold veldt
“No, you cant be Jinx”
(is looking at jinx)
languid meadow
I mean they're police you can't expect to fight Noxians of all people and fucking WW
arctic talon
yeah
Ngl what for what they're up against they performed admirably
fucking WW is methed out
bold veldt
for a bunch of street cops
arctic talon
Noxians are cheating using runic weaponry
late osprey
I mean they're police you can't expect to fight Noxians of all people and fuckin...
they should've done better for having actual guns, but im not even talking aobut the noxian invasion
so much as
basically everything LOL
they just kinda suck
bold veldt
the enforcers were fine till.. i forget his name
arctic talon
tbh they also might have had forced conscription
to bulk up their numbers
during Caitlyns whole martial law thing
late osprey
it was during the martial law montage that i was hoping finally they might do something cool
instead of just getting turned to mulch
languid meadow
Again they're beat cops not a military force
bold veldt
that first marshal was so down to earth her death was sad
she was real
she understood everything
late osprey
Again they're beat cops not a military force
they look way to cool to be essentially good only for writing parking tickets
bold veldt
and she also wasnt corrupt
languid meadow
still funny that Vi dying is the best outcome for everyone so good it gave Marcus a soul
bold veldt
they look way to cool to be essentially good only for writing parking tickets
and beating poor people
rocky gale
still funny that Vi dying is the best outcome for everyone so good it gave Marcu...
That's not the divergence
late osprey
they dont even do that in the show
every time they try they get killed by zaunite screamers
arctic talon
that first marshal was so down to earth her death was sad
Greyson? yeah
late osprey
the only time the enforcers did anything cool was in the flashback
languid meadow
they look way to cool to be essentially good only for writing parking tickets
Yeah their look is meant to intimidate, and project an image of dominance.
bold veldt
poor Markus.. even if he was bought out
late osprey
Yeah their look is meant to intimidate, and project an image of dominance.
yeah but in my fantasy setting i like my cool-looking guys doing cool stuff at the same time
call me crazy
arctic talon
oh also I think its fun that Vi/caitlyn/the other people in the taskforce all have their gear inspired from this artwork for the cardgame lol
Maddie is pretty much using the same equipment as Caitlyn from this art
languid meadow
yeah but in my fantasy setting i like my cool-looking guys doing cool stuff at t...
yeah that's why the Grey Legion is peak
late osprey
oh the task force i guess technically is an exception but since they're all named characters i can hardly count them
late osprey
sorry but for me, its Demacia
arctic talon
also Ambessa's forces wouldn't be Trifarian since the Trifarax hasn't been established yet 
late osprey
late osprey
i dont care whatever magehunter stuff they got going on, i would be one of Demacia's most fanatical patriots
arctic talon
bird calvary aesthetically go so hard
late osprey
arctic talon
i dont care whatever magehunter stuff they got going on, i would be one of Demac...
They're in a 3 way civil war now LOL
late osprey
falcon knights
languid meadow
Thats the Trifarian legion
I had the wrong image on my copy and paste
late osprey
They're in a 3 way civil war now LOL
i would be one of Jarvan's top guys
arctic talon
between the mage racists, rebellion and loyalists to the throne
bold veldt
fantasy drip of equal aura as those one irl cavalry
rocky gale
Thinking back it was kinda wild that season 1 tried to frame Heimerdinger being removed as President as a bad thing, when like that little nerd directly oversaw all the horrible shit that happened to Zaun and just never cared to do anything about it.
languid meadow
I forgot the name of the clipboard holy rot
arctic talon
late osprey
Thinking back it was kinda wild that season 1 tried to frame Heimerdinger being ...
he was not removed as president to my knowledge
arctic talon
Thinking back it was kinda wild that season 1 tried to frame Heimerdinger being ...
yeah Heimer literally does not give a shit
bold veldt
he was voted out
arctic talon
He works on a timescale
far longer then humans
he's blind to human suffering lol
which is just a case of him being long lived
late osprey
heimer was shockingly well-written as someone so long-lived and so goofy-looking
bold veldt
he isnt human, period
arctic talon
Heimer is great
yeah he's a yordle, he embodies Piltover to an extent
is the big thing
late osprey
it was clear he thought scientific advancement was essentially the most important thing and politics is a secondary thing that fixes itself with more science
late osprey
like EW said the timescale
arctic talon
as a leader hell no, he can't sympathize with 99.99999999999999999999999% of the population
bold veldt
as a leader hell no, he can't sympathize with 99.99999999999999999999999% of the...
hes immortal to humans, you cant agree with how someone like that thinjs
rocky gale
Also just remembered another bone I had to pick with season 2
They frame the fact Viktor wanted to not be terminally ill as a problem
late osprey
i figured the problem was more that he became an eldritch mutant trying to destroy the world
rocky gale
Yea you'd think
arctic talon
him wanting to cure himself was fine imo
bold veldt
i figured the problem was more that he became an eldritch mutant trying to destr...
he went from
“we can save everyone”
to
“we can save everyone”
rocky gale
But no they literally mention that he didn't need to cure or fix himself
late osprey
i dont recall there being any negative framing until he grew cthulhu legs
rocky gale
It's in season 2
arctic talon
thats from Jayce specifically to Viktor
bold veldt
i dont recall there being any negative framing until he grew cthulhu legs
his design was peak
arctic talon
iirc no?
bold veldt
it basically took over his soul and body, and made him just watch
arctic talon
or did I forget
rocky gale
Yea it's like "You never needed to fix yourself, you were always perfect"
and it's like, he was terminally ill, he had days to live.
arctic talon
I think that was referring to how he acted
and not his health personally
but yeah it is worded horribly
imo
rocky gale
I think they were referring to his limp, but like his limp and his health issues were quite intrinsicly linked to his origins in the undercity
arctic talon
about it being dangerous?
bold veldt
he knew it was dangerous asf
arctic talon
that was because people are stupid as well tbh
bold veldt
even if he mightve taken it too far
arctic talon
Magic responds to how its used
late osprey
well there was specifically tyranid biomass growing in the hextech reactors or something wasnt there
and that was killing everything
arctic talon
well
bold veldt
well there was specifically tyranid biomass growing in the hextech reactors or s...
maybe kinda sorta
rocky gale
Yea the also never really explained the Biomass thing, like they mention that someone placed it their via complex runes, but then never say who
arctic talon
Imo it was the hexgate project
Jayce fucking around with runes without knowing what they did led to it
late osprey
if its benign until some inevitable product of human nature turns it malignant
arctic talon
there is an exact science to Runic magic in League
late osprey
that essentially makes it as dangerous as heimer was saying
languid meadow
Humanity has abused magic for millennium on Runeterra, Shurima, and the Rune Wars being two of the biggest (idk if you can count the Shadow Isles in this prob not) and Heimer has seen it all so yeah he could predict this
arctic talon
the rune wars are the big one yeah
late osprey
all ill say is
arctic talon
Tbh the Ruination is bad
late osprey
if he thinks the runes are bad
late osprey
wait till aatrox (best character ever) shows up
arctic talon
lol
aatrox is in the ass end of nowhere rn
as a sword
in any case use of magic without self control in League lore always ends badly
every single instance of it has gone horribly lol
languid meadow
Banished to the sensory deprivation stick
bold veldt
Banished to the sensory deprivation stick
languid meadow
I would say naafiri but she had a big eye on her dagger
arctic talon
I wonder if being sealed in paired weapons would be worse
arctic talon
Constantly submersed in boiling liquid
tbf the moment someone picks you up you can possese them and take over their body
unless they're very strong magically or mentally
languid meadow
hit people
languid meadow
Jax beats people with lamp post you could do something with a ladle
arctic talon
evil Harp
turned into this thing
I do find it kind of hilarious there's a Darkin weapon somewhere in the Ruins of Oshra Va'Zaun
languid meadow
Gonna assume a stupid ass baron brought the harp to his place
Since why tf is in in Zaun
arctic talon
Styraatu awakening is non canon
Zaun was a Shuriman port city
originally
A darkin weapon being there isn't the weirdest thing
languid meadow
I mean yeah
arctic talon
Oh also regarding my favorite song from arcane season 2
languid meadow
I love Rhaast it just sucks I have to play Kayne to get to him
arctic talon
It’s to ashes and blood
languid meadow
yeah it has Shuriman in it right?
"Shuriman chant translated from an old prayer to the goddess Jan’ahrem:"
yes
arctic talon
Yeah
I just like how the song sounds tbh
also I like this part from the Zed Comics, where we get a written representation of Piltovan
I think its cool
arctic talon
LOL
languid meadow
My two fav seething robots
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
AGE OF ULTRON
tough haven
Cant wait for ultron to be a super mediocre support that no one is gonna play outside of triple healer comps
no one is ever gonna end the cloak and dagger/invis/rocket seat as most used healers
Like Emma frost is super annoying and quite strong, but I bet the others are gonna be mediocre
vagrant fox
Why doesn't Blizzard love Diablo like whoever makes the arcanes 
arctic talon
Why doesn't Blizzard love Diablo like whoever makes the arcanes <:Sitgryn:101626...
Riot really likes League’s universe lol
vagrant fox
Terribly unfair
median star
does tzeentch have any overarching goals with magnus or is he just letting him do whatever untill he needs him to specifically do something
vagrant fox
It's like having a pet monkey that can't hurt you, which you can direct to eat someones face
arctic talon
does tzeentch have any overarching goals with magnus or is he just letting him d...
He doesn’t really have any goal in mind with magnus anymore
He does use him for some stuff though
rose thorn
https://tenor.com/view/ultron-marvel-rivals-ultron-marvel-rivals-marvel-rivals-u...
ive seen so many people horny post for ultron
him and Ramattra
nocturne crest
If GW decided to make a 40k version of marvel rivals, what characters could you see them picking as heroes?
median star
do psyhic enhancing bionics exist in 40k
bold veldt
obesewhale with the peak
bold veldt
If GW decided to make a 40k version of marvel rivals, what characters could you ...
Cain
id love to see Larkin
nocturne crest
Larkin?
nocturne crest
Ah
vagrant fox
do psyhic enhancing bionics exist in 40k
Psi-boosters
median star
did servo skulls exist pre 30k
bold veldt
did servo skulls exist pre 30k
pre 30k? we barely have lore pre 30k
arctic talon
did servo skulls exist pre 30k
Yes
The servoskulls are a mechanicum thing
And we know the mechanicum existed during the age of strife
median star
The servoskulls are a mechanicum thing
were they the first to employ them aswell as servitors in general
bold veldt
especially with the no ai thing
median star
so for the most part theyd not have been seen during unification war since mechancium was still mostly limited to mars
bold veldt
id assume
bold veldt
uni wars consisted of muscled up drug addicts throwing clubs at each other lol
arctic talon
With exterminatus after checking it
But they never went through with it and I don’t think they landed on the planet
bold veldt
But they never went through with it and I don’t think they landed on the planet
they decided that terra wasnt a threat cause the technobarbarians were landlocked basically
arctic talon
Yeah
bold veldt
but they really wantdd the old tech on terra
median star
were their still potentially lesser men of iron roaming terra during the unification war
arctic talon
Also archeotech
bold veldt
which is one of the reasons they teamed up with bige
arctic talon
were their still potentially lesser men of iron roaming terra during the unifica...
Maybe
Prolly
bold veldt
were their still potentially lesser men of iron roaming terra during the unifica...
almost undoubtedly
nocturne crest
It was weird to learn the T'au helped their admech gue'vesa make servitors fly/hover.
bold veldt
they show up at random even in 40k
bold veldt
i would say it wouldnt be innacurate to have atleast one or two men of iron
who knows what the technobarbarians cooped up
apparently anything could live on that dust rock
median star
so i know the emp put some of the crazier warlords etc into the black cells after unification war but is their a chance any of them would even still be alive
bold veldt
today?… maybe
black cells are incredibly mysterious
sorta
theres always a chance
i wouldnt doubt someone wouldve been put into stasis
median star
do the custodes ever check on the individual cells or patrol down there or is it a just dont let anything get out stand at the entrance sort of thing
bold veldt
they have custodes that patrol
the wardens
their jobs are to patrol the black cells, and hunt down anything that escaped, or needs to be locked up
Shadowkeepers
big bros in black armor
opaque coyote
rocky gale
Classic GW not doing market research before adopting a tagline
queen laurel
Classic GW not doing market research before adopting a tagline
damn gw
they dug their own grave
on that one
lament shoal
DAAAAAAMN
shadow plover
lament shoal
Classic GW not doing market research before adopting a tagline
Is that the AI overview answer? If so, there's a 99% chance that it's wrong lol
shadow plover
There is a book called The Year of Chaos, which is about the Irish history, but I can't see any other reference to that period as being called that
but I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't research it at all first
queen laurel
There is a book called The Year of Chaos, which is about the Irish history, but ...
yeah the books refer to those as the year of chaos but they have different names for events during the times ireland was uh
going through it
opaque coyote
So random fun Dragonball fact
Basically, with original Japanese dialogue and voice acting, Goku actually speaks in a Hick/Country Boy dialect.
Chichi has an even thicker country accent. She would sound like a huge redneck if translated into an English dub.
So if they were properly translated into English, both of them would probably have a heavy southern accent. With Chichi basically sounding like a female version of Boomhauer from King of the Hill.
Gohan speaks the exact opposite. His Japanese dialogue is framed as polite and proper. So basically
One Hick + One Super Hick = Distinguished Gentleman
Basically if the English Dub was more faithful.
DBZ would've basically sounded like King of the Hill
plush mason
they dug their own grave
they are British, doubt they care about Ireland much
queen laurel
they are British, doubt they care about Ireland much
that's true
plush mason
tough haven
Omg it’s not ai
I am trying so hard to find songs for factions for when I okay then that aren’t AI
plush mason
tough haven
Now if only I could find good xenos songs
I’ve got enough for orks, now I’m looking for tau
arctic talon
Lol
winter vessel
https://youtu.be/prw4OBPqO6I?si=_Pzw7EvgTKHm-leK
Colm always be cooking.
plush mason
Colm always be cooking.
that he do
winter vessel
this morning i was pumping iron at my local gym and had my playlist set to mix when "For the Guard" was playing. and for 3 mins i felt i was invincible benching 2 10 kg plates on a barbell, doing 1 set of 15 reps
opaque coyote
Basically if the English Dub was more faithful.
DBZ would've basically sounded ...
It's also why so many DB villains are salty when they lose against him
Because they usually have a huge plan, uncontested power, etc.
And then they lose to somebody who sounds like they'd smooch their sister.
outer wave
Yeah I'd be mad about that too
opaque coyote
Also like I said earlier, Chichi basically has an even thicker Hick accent
Basically Boomhauer
"Iain't raisen a delinquent in this ere 'house. Ya hear boy?"
"I acknowledge that, mother. I will strive to achieve my academic potential."
"Das mah boy!"
celest dome
Not exactly
arctic talon
Are they like Necromancer 40k?
Less reanimating a body and more placing a soul inside of a mech suit
celest dome
Closest to it in fantasy are Simulacra
tough haven
Are they like Necromancer 40k?
Are you newer to 40k?
outer wave
Remember her?
celest dome
Mira
Know her (iirc) from Vt2.
We used to debate longly on what Sienna's last career had ought to be
rose thorn
What is this screen shot from?
celest dome
DoW ? Maybe
celest dome
Explains the necromancer comment
Her idea was Warrior Priest of Myrmidia iirc
rose thorn
DoW ? Maybe
Oh yeah
arctic talon
What is this screen shot from?
Dawn of war 3’s army painter or whatever
Ngl dow 3 is a very pretty game
Shame the gameplay was meh
outer wave
Know her (iirc) from Vt2.
We used to debate longly on what Sienna's last career ...
Ahhh
outer wave
Ngl dow 3 is a very pretty game
I'll never understand people that complained it was too colorful when 40K can be VERY colorful
nocturne jetty
atleast its more colourfull than (DT) 💀
outer wave
Oh yeah for sure
Though I don't blame Fatshark for that one
It's just the fact hive cities are pretty dull color wise
arctic talon
thats just a dif aesthetic the 2 games are going for yeah
also yeah hive cities are
fucking depressing lol
even munda looks very boring
outer wave
Munda at least has a greener color scheme that isn't based on Nurglite corruption
arctic talon
Despite how colorful the gangers are
Munda isn't very green, its mostly greys, with some yellows and reds ngl
outer wave
Ah darn
arctic talon
The hive secundus stuff def has the GREEN filter enabled
which feels more like an Alien reference imo
nocturne jetty
Khorne in DT Soon 💀
arctic talon
They're very much wearing the inspiration like a glove for the Hive Secundus art imo
nocturne jetty
Hm its hard to pick
Between Librarian, Farseer or Weirdboyz
They got Insane 40k Magic.
tough haven
Hm its hard to pick
For what?
storm jungle
atleast its more colourfull than (DT) 💀
Comparing darktide to dawn of war 3 is fucking crazy
💀
also yeah welcome to 40k, its not really suppose to be that colorful in a hive city setting
You can just taste the pollution
storm jungle
Im still shocked anyone even plays DoW3
storm jungle
the ambience really doesnt get enough love
its a shame because theres so much work put into it
tough haven
Im still shocked anyone even plays DoW3
I’ve never played a DOW besides 1+expansions and I’m glad
arctic talon
So I think the gloomy depressing atmosphere fits lol
tough haven
The others are not good I’m told
storm jungle
I prefer it over DoW1
bold veldt
im gonna imagine thats a hottake?
vagrant fox
Hell yeah brudder DoW2
outer wave
its a shame because theres so much work put into it
If the gameplay was a tad slower, I'm sure people would appreciate it a bit more
storm jungle
If the gameplay was a tad slower, I'm sure people would appreciate it a bit more
Yeah but alas Slopvoc players want more slop
rose thorn
god necormunda rocks
i heard of poeple litearlly jsut playing a tabletop rpg using necromunda's system
outer wave
Yeah but alas Slopvoc players want more slop
Slopvoc?
outer wave
Ah
I don't think it's havoc that's the issue it's just that there isn't alot of moments where you can just have a proper gun fight
Hiding around cover and all that
Because you're almost always going to be dealing with a horde in some way shape or form that's melee focused
It'd need huge rebalanced because shooters in game are pretty strong but it's been a thought on my mind
Like imagine having a little less intense melee blobs and more intense shootouts
crystal forum
everything must be melee
outer wave
😔
lament shoal
THE POWER OF AN ANGRY NUN WITH A BIG GUN
sacred ginkgo
Got anymore of them pixels
nocturne jetty
For what?
Of which Psyker is good.
Gotta look into stats
Spacemarines are quite nuts. because they can deploy DROP PODS
With Machineguns
tough haven
Of which Psyker is good.
Like as I’m on tabletop? Or lore
Cause if lore, the answer is “whoever the story is being written for”
They all have strengths and weaknesses
Realistically I’d say farseer
Or maybe librarian in certain situations
Weirdboyz I don’t think really win psychic duels that often, since they’re mostly just playing Russian roulette on who’s head explodes forst
But they sure krump non psykers
nocturne jetty
Realistically I’d say farseer
Yeah the Farseer i have does Crowd Controll/Nuker
And Librarian does Support
outer wave
Weirdboyz just eat alot of scrap and throw rocks
I think you're thinking of Madboyz, which are just Boyz that have generally lost their minds unless Im not aware of Weirdboy abilities
tough haven
Weirdboyz usually just explode heads and teleport boyz
But I’m sure they can do plenty
outer wave
True
tough haven
Weirdboyz usually just explode heads and teleport boyz
This and vomit pure WAAAAGH energy to vaporize foes through tank armor
nocturne jetty
They can do also shield to orcs
Upgrading them into coneheads kidding
@outer wave Last time i used on my Farseer Temporal Weave holy was it strong
I disabled like 50% of the Army
LOL
outer wave
Whew sheesh
nocturne jetty
Stasis
outer wave
Thats the tabletop I presume? I sadly dont follow it that closely but thats crazy shit
outer wave
their spells are volatile like turning you to a squig
Ngl this sounds like a fantasy or AoS kinda thing but not a 40k thing for some reason
outer wave
Ohhh this is DoW 3?
nocturne jetty
Howling Banshees is nuts
I didnt know they can use Holo-Field also
and become INVISIBLE
lament shoal
Got anymore of them pixels
Hey man nitro's expensive
queen laurel
Ngl this sounds like a fantasy or AoS kinda thing but not a 40k thing for some r...
ya need to read up some more
outer wave
Oh absolutely but it definitely sounds more fantasy pilled, even though 40k has its fair share of weird wackiness like that
plush mason
im just imagining that happening to a commissar mid speech
outer wave
I wonder how they feel after transformation
Like they do retain their memories and intelligence after transforming into a squig, right?
nocturne jetty
opaque coyote
Like they do retain their memories and intelligence after transforming into a sq...
Honestly
I hope so because that would funny
and horrific
Horrific because imagine screaming in a body that is not your own. Not anymore.
Funny because squig transform
outer wave
Right, that would be rightfully horrifying
late osprey
THE POWER OF AN ANGRY NUN WITH A BIG GUN
YOU WENT MASTER TACTICIAN??
lament shoal
YOU WENT MASTER TACTICIAN??
I'm following a build guide for her so yeah
Its working great so far, the archetype lets me stack dmg buffs on her before I unleash her burst attack
late osprey
master tactician is a super strong archetype that synergizes with just about anything
but not going AM on her just feels blasphemous
the momentum ability even synergizes with the soldier one
also Heavy Gunner
lament shoal
Yeah I've got heavy gunner stuff on her too
The build guide I'm following got most of the stuff required to start her with a heavy bolter build done in the first archetype tree
late osprey
Yeah I've got heavy gunner stuff on her too
Heavy Gunner is AM exclusive afaik
It makes shooting 1 AP cheaper
which is huge
nocturne jetty
wintry scarab
Btw, anyone else think that the plural for ogryn and tyranid being ogryns and tryranids is weird? To me it just sounds strange. It feels like the plural for them should just be ogryn and tyranid.
storm jungle
Funny you mention that. Because its sometimes used lol
But I really dont think its that weird.
wintry scarab
At least im glad im not alone in this lol
vagrant fox
The recent comments Arbitor Ian and Dystopian Chimp videos about the Emperor really shows how the 40k net community feels about the Emperor and it's kinda funny to me
I'm not sure if it's me being a contrarian as I usually am, but it feels so without nuance. Nothing about trying to find a path in a fundemantally broken universe, how much of a cost will you pay to achieve your ends
If only this weirdo who has seen possibly 40,000 years of human development was sane and a good dad
storm jungle
The recent comments Arbitor Ian and Dystopian Chimp videos about the Emperor rea...
Because it very much is tbh.
Like Ian reaches the conclusion he does and even shows that "eugh" frustration because yeah theres literally no other source material pointing at anything else.
Im very much not a fan of the video and disagree with a lot of it but I get where hes coming from since Ian is also a pretty sane person lol
vagrant fox
I mean yeah, the Emps is a genuine horrible and shitty person, but I find the idea of him conceiving this horrible, horrible path as being a genuine way to save humanity interesting
storm jungle
I dont tbh. Because hes been written by like 20 authors who all have no idea what they are doing.
Ok so he can see everything but also cant, he can do anything but also cant, he can guess anything but also cant, hes made grand armies but said armies also betrayed him, yada yada
Guy literally goes lobotomite the moment the plot needs him to act stupid.
vagrant fox
That I don't like, yeah
vagrant fox
It's more I'm interested in the core idea of doing an all-time greatest war crimes score to achieve a great future for the normal person
in fiction, not so much real life
It's also just more the lack of nuance that gets to me, the oversimplification. Granted, there's a lot to it, but reducing it to bad dad irks me
raven stone
At this point
celest dome
I mean yeah, the Emps is a genuine horrible and shitty person, but I find the id...
I don't think he wanted the way to be the most horrible one, it just is that his way was one of the most horrible one
raven stone
It would be easier to say Emps is a human shaped, pro human Eldritch Abomination
And leave it at that
celest dome
Him being so convinced that anything he did was so necessary that it was even unquestionable
raven stone
Basically Emps plan went wrong is that he was stubborn AND he doesn't understand "normal" human
storm jungle
I really wish the Rangdan were like some super strong human empire instead of generic evil aliens who we dont even know what they look like
celest dome
Yeah this is what I hate.
My take ?
storm jungle
And the Imperium just annihilates them or whatever
raven stone
I really wish the Rangdan were like some super strong human empire instead of ge...
GW too cowardly to introduce any non-IoM humans (Cults don't count)
vagrant fox
Ah, how I wish the 30k books had turned out vastly differently
storm jungle
Same.
storm jungle
GW too cowardly to introduce any non-IoM humans (Cults don't count)
Ikr guh
vagrant fox
It's the core ideas I love, I'm kind of ignoring the execution
raven stone
Ah, how I wish the 30k books had turned out vastly differently
looks at Angron's story which is an excessively poor direct port of a magazine article
vagrant fox
Poor boo boo couldn't even die right
vagrant fox
It's the idea of Angron I like, just about forcing a broken demi-god to do unspeakable atrocities for the greater future
We got what we got though
storm jungle
Yeah and people lap it up still so i guess it works.
vagrant fox
it's angry ron, named so for being angry
vagrant fox
Maybe it's more I'm stuck in my snobbish high castle wafting poetic about the core ideas I like
storm jungle
Already makes you better than most of the ideas we got lol
summer mural
Id like a high castle tbh
where I can cloud seed the skies of the realm with centigor milk
so it rains down on the commonfolks and enlightens them
vagrant fox
storm jungle
vagrant fox
It also made me realise what I don't like about the Tau just being unequivably good, the idea of them just getting away with it and not paying a price for it in the setting
summer mural
tau arent all that good
vagrant fox
It's more the fanon idea that they're the good enlightened empire
summer mural
they do seem relatively more ethical yeah
vagrant fox
The expansionist some are more equal empire than other is still an expansionist empire
summer mural
problem with tau is I can never see exactly what gw was going for in the concept
like what conceived this idea of the tau
queen laurel
where I can cloud seed the skies of the realm with centigor milk
Everytime you say centigor milk or say something that you made up as an alternative to it you support kanye west okay
vagrant fox
I like them as a criticism of the NATO/US interventionism where you're damned if you say yes or no
which iirc is what partially inspired them
queen laurel
THATS TAKING IT TOO FAR
Nope i'm going to shoot you from far away
See you later sucker
queen laurel
this is what tau has done to the fandom
No i'm a bad moon
I am an ork yes but i have the best gun
summer mural
are those those aos acid dropping goblins
queen laurel
are those those aos acid dropping goblins
No those are gloom spite gits
queen laurel
ohhhh
Those orks that paint everything yellow and have teeth that grow faster than everyone making them richer than every ork
queen laurel
i swear ive heard curse of da bad moon somewhere
The god the gits worship is called the bad moon
vagrant fox
I'm partial to the ultramariens of the orks, da goffs
queen laurel
I'm partial to the ultramariens of the orks, da goffs
Their entire sctick is literally black orcs but for 40k
The bigger than just about everyone else because they fight each other so frequently
vagrant fox
They're a good bunch, always down for some fun
queen laurel
They're a good bunch, always down for some fun
You know what they say always trust a goff to charge a gun line
vagrant fox
Goff Rocker really sealed the deal though
queen laurel
Oh yeah that is peak
median star
is it possible to turn other species into servitors
storm jungle
Yes but its heretical.
A servitor is literally a lobotomized person with roomba parameters, they arent like advanced technology.
vagrant fox
There are ork servitors in some mars book
storm jungle
There are ork servitors in some mars book
I love that bit
the techpriests seeing them are like
WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE
ONLY HUMANS ARE DESERVING OF SUCH A FATE!
💀
vagrant fox
It's great, love me cogheads
median star
itd be funny to see an aeldari chud out at seeing of theirs be servitorized tho
storm jungle
Why tho
median star
knife ears arent real people 
queen laurel
ONLY HUMANS ARE DESERVING OF SUCH A FATE!
it's even funnier when you realize that logistically speaking turning orks into servitors isn't that bad of an idea
queen laurel
knife ears arent real people <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
so are you but we don't want to turn you into a lobotomized robot now do we
median star
do votann fw servitors or the idea of it or nah
queen laurel
do votann fw servitors or the idea of it or nah
no because they have actual AI to do the jobs
storm jungle
do votann fw servitors or the idea of it or nah
they literally use robots and treat them as people
queen laurel
that they respect by the way
storm jungle
what do you think
queen laurel
Like they will go out of their way to rescue ironkin
median star
ironkin are a limited thing right like cant make more
storm jungle
They cant
no of course they can
how do you think theres billions of votann/ironkin everywhere
lol
queen laurel
they can
storm jungle
^
queen laurel
they worship sentient stcs
median star
are ironkin and the things they worship different names
queen laurel
i'm not an expert at imperium tech but i'm pretty sure that does get them funny tech
storm jungle
are ironkin and the things they worship different names
a what now
Are you talking about the Votann cores?
Ironkin are robots
queen laurel
are ironkin and the things they worship different names
votaan worship Ancestor Cores
they are completely different
median star
meant cores yea those are limited are they not
queen laurel
They are like super computers
queen laurel
meant cores yea those are limited are they not
well yeah they're super ancient computers from like a bygone era
the reason they even went out in the universe to explore was to fix the cores
storm jungle
meant cores yea those are limited are they not
Theres as many cores as the plot demands.
"Limited" in 40k doesnt mean much
median star
do votann have enough pyskic presence to have psykers
queen laurel
bro read the lexi
he is, he's asking lore chat
summer mural
ayy votann
40k is super bloated ngl
but we still need skaven
getting space dwarfs but no space rats
queen laurel
but we still need skaven
OK Granded, orks are right there
summer mural
to comment on how the bloatiness isnt justified until we get skaven
vagrant fox
No need for two Imperiums
queen laurel
yeah like Skaven's niches in 40k are filled
summer mural
I mean yes
but as much as I like votann, if votann didnt exist , it wouldnt make a difference in the "niches" lol
the only reason we dont have skaven stuffed in there unnecessarily is because gw decided against it
queen laurel
but as much as I like votann, if votann didnt exist , it wouldnt make a differen...
votaans fill in the the fantasy quad races in the setting with human, elf and orcs
summer mural
space RATS
queen laurel
skaven are great because no one in fantasy and aos is like them
they are unique
in 40k
what makes them, them
is shared by like
ALOT of factions
summer mural
wow you think deeply about this, I just care about cool space rat implementation
so you are probably right
summer mural
but hes unironically right
vagrant fox
More aliens would be nice, too bad the tabletop game ruins my dreams and hopes
summer mural
custards are nice too
Id like if they had some malus to them tbh
like its hard to pinpoint whats really shitty about custodes apart from low numbers
everything is like " wooowwwwwwwww, you have nazi imprinted on every cell in your body"
soft thunder
do votann have enough pyskic presence to have psykers
a minor presence iirc, some ppl say the clone-dawi are the 'men of stone'. Pretty immune to mutation and warp influence. Dulled down to magic etc like fantasy pretty much. (idk any sources)
median star
are demonhost able to be made of any species thats psykicly intune
queen laurel
are demonhost able to be made of any species thats psykicly intune
i mean you can put a daemon in a washing machine so
ye
round tartan
I think I had that happen to a washing machine once.
vagrant fox
Printers spontaneously get daemonically posessed
vagrant fox
everything is like " wooowwwwwwwww, you have nazi imprinted on every cell in you...
I don't really like how they're written as rare and special but here people are fielding entire armies of custodes
median star
i mean you can put a daemon in a washing machine so
wouldnt possession and being lured into becoming a host be different
queen laurel
wouldnt possession and being lured into becoming a host be different
daemons can posses or be bound to something
So say I grab a random bloke off the street as a sacrifice
i can then put a demon inside him turning him into a daemonhost
or through magical bullshit i make a weapon and bound a demon inside of it
nocturne jetty
raven stone
Dawn of War 2?
raven stone
Ah.
The one that made fandom kind of scratch their head.
outer wave
This game hasnt got updated since centuries
Relic stopped development after the first few patches
queen laurel
Is Games workshop alive?
yes it's alive the game's just abandoned
outer wave
^
shadow plover
also games workshop didn't make the game
outer wave
The most you could get are mods
raven stone
It was too big a break from 2's mechanics as well IIRC
Was why fandom didn't take too well to it
outer wave
It didn't do anything for either fans of DoW 1 or 2
storm jungle
This game hasnt got updated since centuries
The game got dropped in the first literal months from how bad it was lol
and uh
Relic blamed the players
for essentially making a game they didnt even ask for
raven stone
And you had things like Gabriel Angelos doing backflips in Terminator Armour
storm jungle
Among like so much other bad stufff.
It was a game made to appeal to starcraft players and not dawn of war players.
queen laurel
the peak writing of c s goto
outer wave
And you had things like Gabriel Angelos doing *backflips* in ***Terminator Armou...
Honestly that sort of stuff, as silly as it is, doesn't take it out for me
forest orbit
Is Games workshop alive?
Gamesworkshop went bankrupt in 2009.
outer wave
For me it was the focus onto things that would've made it more of an e-sport
queen laurel
Its not even a good e-sport game either lol
the minimal base building of two, without it's fun customization
storm jungle
^
queen laurel
With two at least you can turn your heroes into ocs
it's more of a skirmish game but if at least live up to that skirmish game identity
storm jungle
My eyes glazed for a moment
storm jungle
Why play DoW2 when you can play the legendary DoW3
outer wave
Why play the legendary DoW3 when you can play the mythical DoW4
raven stone
🤣
queen laurel
Why play DoW2 when you can play the legendary DoW3
"why live life when you can torture yourself and say that the emperor is right"
raven stone
All time peak was at release initially
Then everyone fled
From the Starcraft skin graft
outer wave
Man I'm gonna say it: as much as I cannot deny the influence SC2 has had, the snappy movements has ruined RTS games
storm jungle
Agreed
outer wave
🤝
storm jungle
My heartbeat
guh
queen laurel
My heartbeat
i believe it
raven stone
"why live life when you can torture yourself and say that the emperor is right"
Even as someone who mentally "sanitizes" my tiny headcanon corner of the Imperium, I definitely can say Emps got a lot of shit wrong.
outer wave
Mood
tough haven
it's more of a skirmish game but if at least live up to that skirmish game ident...
I might try it
bold veldt
Even as someone who mentally "sanitizes" my tiny headcanon corner of the Imperiu...
he had kids 10,000 years too early
tts reference intended
golden imp
Emperor had a lot of stuff going on
If humanity could just be competent he wouldnt have to do everything
bold veldt
If humanity could just be competent he wouldnt have to do everything
good luck with that!
celest dome
All the messes that are currently here stem from him...