40k-lore-chat

[raven stone]

So I turned up to office today to refocus and catch up.

[green loom]

She's great

[tough haven]

Huh?

[median star]

would a space marine chaptor ever employ abhumans as serfs or menials

[crisp heath]

Hes a voice actor for Abbadon the Despoiler

[remote widget]

If you believe in the warp but that the gods are weak, does that depower them, like if the imperium recognised the gods but said they're gross lil bitches, compared to the god emperor

[median star]

just knowing they exist to begin with is enough to seed temptation for most people

[celest dome]

Could they ? Yes
Would they ? Depend on the Chapter, completely writeable
But I don't think we've had any such case yet

[celest dome]

Wouldn't do anything, they're feeding on the livings, not on their fright, they're not under the Pennywise rules

[remote widget]

Yeah, because they've not been propagandised beyond oo scary whisper, or they're greedy, looking at you inquisitorss, like no one ever is finding cults to angron, but the imperium knows of him, and he's a warp entity, because they've all been propagandised well against the primarchs that have fallen

[remote widget]

Not fright, mocking and belligerance, thinking the gods are weak not that they're scary

[celest dome]

Wouldn't anything, just as much as mocking a bear won't weaken it either

[remote widget]

Priests denounce demons and that works

Is it an upwelling of emp energy or a rebuking of chaos is the question i guess

[median star]

acknowledging them to begin with on that scale would be catastrophic as suddenly billions maybe even trillions or more of downtrodden people are aware that if they only pledge themselves to some funny warp god maybe they can change their standing in life from anything other then wretched hive scum

[storm jungle]

It "works" barely, not every single Imperial priest can summon miracles.

Faith Powers™️ are a very fickle thing and usually only appear en-masse when its plot convenient

[celest dome]

And if it follow the same rules as it does in Fantasy, it's not simply rebuking it that does anything, it's calling Divine powers.
Like Atheism wouldn't have any effect on Deamons

[storm jungle]

^

This isnt like World of Darkness where if you believe in anything even say your damn wallet or phone you can use True Faith to deflect some unholy monster

faith powers in 40k are very linear

[remote widget]

So upwelling of emperor energy, cool that basically answers everything

[celest dome]

Isn't it still backed by things in WoD ?

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/True_Faith

[celest dome]

Nor is it necessarily something that comes from outside the individual, from some God or angel. Whether or not their beliefs are correct, these people believe so unwaveringly that their own conviction protects them.[1] Other beings might develop True Faith based on forces that hold a special relation to the believer. A Mokolé might develop True Faith in the Sun.

Huh, I had missed that

[raven stone]

Even this is low key lore inaccurate: in better written lore bits, GW actually remembers a lot of information about Chaos is suppressed.

Or think of it this way: in universe, the only safe thing to say about Chaos, for the average human, is "Chaos bad". Saying more can actually corrupt you.

So your run of the mill preachers, preaching to the masses, are highly unlikely to talk too much about Chaos. If the Ecclesiarchy or the Inquisition doesn't raise an eyebrow (which they will!), said preacher is likely prime target for corruption if they say too much.

[tough haven]

In what?

[tough haven]

Yea but don’t they preach against the ruinous powers as a whole?

And the arch traitors from the heresy?

[storm jungle]

Its like how christians do it today

demons obviously dont exist but we got preachers IRL still warning us against them and "sin" ec

as if that means anything lol

[tough haven]

That’s what I mean, they preach against it as a faceless force, they don’t name it

[storm jungle]

Yeah because the church is stupid

[queen laurel]

i mean demons do exist, look at Arch

[crisp heath]

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14497732/

[raven stone]

Sometimes I do wish someone would exorcise his pretentious arse and dramatically fake accent

I only listened to a segment once and found him unbearable

[storm jungle]

He sounds so arrogant in the way he talks about lore

its obnoxious

[raven stone]

Even ignoring the actual word vomit he calls his content

[storm jungle]

people calling a content creator whos obviously a cunt a "great guy" until they get a mask-off moment always fills me with satisfaction tbh

[raven stone]

Or they just never met him in person

[storm jungle]

me when Dr Disrespect

[raven stone]

Pretty sure if THIS is his public personal his private self must be absolutely shite

[storm jungle]

Oh it is believe me lmao

[queen laurel]

ah yes the Yautja of you tube

[storm jungle]

i was a lurker-spy in his discord once

the shit these people say behind there is fucking dreadful

then they stepped up the group security LMAO

because they realise people were leaking the racist shit he was saying

[scenic bolt]

'oh hes a good lore youtuber you just gotta ignore when he goes into IRL politics'

[raven stone]

I saw the COVID leaks

Pretty much confirmed my already low opinions of him

[storm jungle]

Those are ironically the least offensive thing. Guy is a straight up nazi.

[desert dust]

I used to watch arch like 10 years ago

Now idk I just grew out of it

[storm jungle]

Yeah so did a lot of people, he was always very passable as a content creator.

Like its fine to watch but you are only there because someone recommended you some of his vids

now though lol

[queen laurel]

this is just

ONE

there's more

[desert dust]

Kinda like dose of buckly went from funny yt comedy to arrogant asshole

[storm jungle]

tale as old as time isnt it

lol

[scenic bolt]

'it's just edgy humor dont be so sensitive' is more times than not their sincere opinion

[desert dust]

Funny thing is I think it's because I'm no longer 14 not because he changed

[scenic bolt]

I remember when he was like I'm leaving the 40k fandom for good (this time for real) like several times

oh look battletech's more woke than GW, oh look trench crusade's woke

[storm jungle]

Lmao yep

A lot of 40k chuds do that saying they are leaving the fandom

then come crawling back

[raven stone]

I find it funny how these same "edgy" people are the ones most likely whining about White Genocide...

[scenic bolt]

their days numbered cause theyre gonna have to compete with AI generated lore sloptubers

[spare osprey]

“So much for the tolerant left”

https://tenor.com/view/sir-gregor-clegane-game-of-thrones-mountain-vs-drunk-the-mountain-got-gregor-clegane-gif-5085620039867258042

[tough haven]

You cannot tolerate the intolerant, because they will not do the same to you

[spare osprey]

EXACTLY

[tough haven]

Good will can only extend so far before it’s foolishness

You can’t compromise with people who would see you and yours dead or gone

[tough haven]

Slightly related but

[scenic bolt]

I keep checking the share prices for tesla a few times a week to see if they're gonna snag below 200

[raven stone]

Not likely, if only because Teslas are selling overseas as well

And in all honesty East Asia as a whole don't give too much about Nazi Germany

(It's Imperial Japan they have a bone with)

[scenic bolt]

BYD's eating up a lot of market share of late but the two are in different segments, tesla being luxury, BYD being entry-mid luxury

[winter vessel]

I once visited Blue sky…it’s like a free market of pornography in there

[tough haven]

That sounds beautiful

At least better than Twitter

[winter vessel]

It’s more disturbing. It’d be the getaway island for adult furries and their content

[storm jungle]

So basically what twitter also was.

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

sad but true

[winter vessel]

True. But it’s funny how so many twitter users go on to say “I’m moving my account to Bluesky 🤪” like it’s gonna be any different.

[storm jungle]

It definitely is tb.h

A lot less fascists, racists and homophobes for starters

Twitter is absolutely infested rn

[queen laurel]

god damnit now that no one now listen to the garbage they are moving to another place that is more peaceful

[winter vessel]

There is never “a lot less” in any social media platform. It is a constant variable.

How this next social media site would replace X. Mastodon made that attempt and it didn’t get much further than that

[raven stone]

I am starting to think - for US at least - all this messenger tech is a mistake.

It used to be that you had to just get along with each other or fail to function in society. But noe people can just electronically summon support from other like minded people...

[tough haven]

It’s a fresher start

[storm jungle]

^

Its very much a lot less.

[tough haven]

But yes unless we act, people will ruin any platform

[scenic bolt]

the nuclear block helps

[storm jungle]

Its also better moderated than twitter like im sorry

im not seeing nazis/awful people every time i refresh my page

[remote widget]

Don't forget it's a meme stock still, plus somehow a tech stock at the same time to be doubly overinflated, I blame tzeentch

[scenic bolt]

every post gotta scroll through 1000 bluecheck comment spammers who glomp on to any post that hits past 1k likes, every 3rd post is an ad, the true twitter experience

[raven stone]

I am forever thankful I never got into Twitter even before X was a thing

Sadly the reason was I did not feel my life was worth showing off :p

[winter vessel]

I created an account just so I view and follow some 40k artists

Outside of that, it’s fine

[scenic bolt]

he mucked it up so much that industry was putting truth social at a higher valuation than twitter

[queen laurel]

Yeah in twitter i blink and suddenly people are talking about how they should make the fifth reich to invade Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

That's an actual town name by the way

[raven stone]

Welsh

[scenic bolt]

I once called a british person on xbox live welsh repeatedly and he got so fumed he started yelling nonstop slurs for 10 minutes

[winter vessel]

Anyways, I don’t expect BSK to rise as another giant, and I don’t spend enough time on a social media platform to understand nor care

[raven stone]

Oh apparently a new Darktide event is up

And cosmetics (announcements are late)

[storm jungle]

@round tartan Btw your message got blocked due to the 'tard word, excuse the automod its pretty zealous 💀

[raven stone]

I admit some zealousness is acceptable, I myself have fallen afoul of automod at times 😅

[queen laurel]

yeah i can say Golgfag but not Gorf

[round tartan]

It's understandable, I'm easy to wind up and I get really mad sometimes.

[storm jungle]

🫡

[vagrant fox]

the automod hates free speech

because of the dei

[winter vessel]

when two Strike teams cross paths with each other on Tertium:

[raven stone]

Huh

Death Korps got some updated datacards yesterday for some reason

[crystal forum]

the ogryns dapping eachother up, the zealots exchanging holy texts, the vets comparing lasguns and the psykers just nodding at eachother sadly

[winter vessel]

Wish I could go back in time and experience my first viewing all over again

[rose thorn]

im very excited fro scourge of ghyran

it should be releasing soon

[queen laurel]

ghyran never catching breaks huh

[rose thorn]

it was the most okay during the age of the beast lmao

and it resulted in so many uncounted deaths

[raven stone]

The jeans were, indeed, stolen.

(Found on FB, artist unknown)

[crystal forum]

legendary

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle oh shit

here we go again

[rose thorn]

was leontis good?

[rose thorn]

boy cant wait for him to release as a BL model

[crystal forum]

melanin in my warhammer?

time to complain on reddit

[raven stone]

DeH MuHrEeNs R hAlF cLoNs So If PrImArCh NoT bLaCk MuHrEeN cAn'T b BlAcK

Actual argument I saw somewhere

Yes stylistic suck should tell you how valid I view such opinions

[crystal forum]

you just know none of these people will even read the book anyways. they just want to complain about the cover

must be really hard to be racists these days. always need to be angry at everything

[raven stone]

I am just surprised people, even employed ones, have that much energy to burn and waste

[dapper gyro]

The only 2 that got issue with skin tone are the RG and Sally, because of the defective seeds.

For a legion that praises itself on seed purity, the UM shouldn't have that issue at all.

Their recruitment pool is also bigger than any other modern chapter.

[dapper gyro]

One of the good few official art of armour without the spread eagle on the breastplate.

[nocturne crest]

How many named Ultramarine characters are on the tabletop rn?

[arctic talon]

4? Or 5

[crystal forum]

are you counting guilliman

[arctic talon]

Yes

He’s a UM character

[crystal forum]

cato, their chapter master, the white one

uh

guilliman

which one am i missing

[arctic talon]

It’s Cato, gman, ventris, Libby dude, calgar

[crystal forum]

the librarian?

he's generic

[arctic talon]

No

The named dude

Tigereus

That’s his name

[crystal forum]

which one's the white armour guy

wait i think he might be HH

[arctic talon]

White armor guy isn’t UM

He’s part of the white counsels

Shocking I know

[crystal forum]

tf is a white counsel

[arctic talon]

It’s a chapter

[crystal forum]

ah

i kinda expected ultramarines to have more characters

[arctic talon]

They used to

They used to have 7 or 8 lol

[crystal forum]

i guess the fact that they own the IP is enough

[nocturne crest]

Wait, is Titus not in the main game yet?

[queen laurel]

What Main game

He's a protagonist in space marine

[arctic talon]

Use him as an LT

[nocturne crest]

I mean in the main tabletop 40k game.

[arctic talon]

Like I said

Use him as an LT

[queen laurel]

He doesn't have like special rules but like wolf said you can use him as a lieutenant

They made this mini for like a space marine board game

But since he's a lieutenant you can run him as a lieutenant

[arctic talon]

Limited run stuff will never get permanent rules

If he does get it rules then like

They’ll be legends

[queen laurel]

Gw just loves legends right

[arctic talon]

I mean meh

[queen laurel]

I was being sarcastic

[arctic talon]

K mean

It’s better then how it used to be

Where GW just deleted something’s rules

Whenever they wanted to lol

[queen laurel]

How long do they let legends rules stay anyway

For something

[arctic talon]

Forever

Lol

That’s the point of legends

Maybe they’ll be taken out

[queen laurel]

That's unexpected

[arctic talon]

But they’ll never be deleted

Why is it unexpected

[queen laurel]

Well with how much the game can change

[arctic talon]

This is new GW

[queen laurel]

Making legend rules always fit the mold seems bother some business

[arctic talon]

They’re less evil then old GW

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah those pygmy makers are insane

You do not have to tell me

[queen laurel]

So how the hell does gw deal with like

Big rule changes and stuff like that

[arctic talon]

By being good at their job

Jokes about incompetence and stupidity aside

GW is kind of the industry leader for wargames for a reason

[queen laurel]

Yeah the basically rule the war game market with an iron fist

[arctic talon]

Iron fist is an understatement based on sales

But yeah

[hallow saddle]

They don't really, they don't get updated for the most part

[arctic talon]

They get updated once per edition

[hallow saddle]

they're updated for a big edition and then not touched again

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Maybe an iron hand is better?

[nocturne crest]

What about that tank commander and the Deathwatch guy?

[arctic talon]

Which is still better

[arctic talon]

Tank commander is gone

Deathwatch dude is deathwatch only

Not a UM character

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[hallow saddle]

Yeah it's fine, you can always house rule stuff anyway

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[queen laurel]

What's the second most popular war game behind like warhammer anyway

I don't really see it discussed

[hallow saddle]

Chess

(idk)

[arctic talon]

Warhammer

I’m not fucking with you

40k and AoS are the 2 market leaders

Then Battletech

Bolt action

[queen laurel]

Jesus

[hallow saddle]

Yeah bolt action is the most popular for historicals

[arctic talon]

Then it’s warhammer specialist games which are an umbrella according to GW

Lol

[queen laurel]

Forget iron fist warhammer rules the market for war games with battle fleet

[hallow saddle]

But historicals are soooooo much smaller than earhammer

[arctic talon]

Yeah for sure

30k might be bigger then bolt action now

Bolt action is actually a really good game lol

Was it flames of war or bolt action that has SS child soldiers lol

That are terrible

Or is it both

[hallow saddle]

Lol

[arctic talon]

It’s both

Bolt action is the one I was thinking about though

[hallow saddle]

That's poggers

[arctic talon]

With the bike upgrade

[hallow saddle]

Based warlord games

[arctic talon]

2 points per bike

What a game you are

I’m not sure why someone would ever run this

[hallow saddle]

The fallout and star wars games look cool, the fallout minis in particular look really nice

I could deffo paint some weathered up power armour it'd be sick

[arctic talon]

Star Wars Legion plays super well

I have no clue how the fallout system plays so no comment

[queen laurel]

I just looked into it and i will say

The separatist looks great

Love the battle droids

[crystal forum]

there was an official titus model with the big 400$ SM2 pre order

i chickened out and didnt get it

but it's more of a display piece anyways

[crystal forum]

those service studs creep me out

[arctic talon]

They’re supposed to look gross

Tbf

[celest dome]

Chubby crocodilians

[queen laurel]

That's monitor lizard you PLA-

[rose thorn]

just scrape off teh rivits and this is perfect for seraphon

[queen laurel]

Mags i already said this on the other chat funnily enough

[celest dome]

Monitor this

[rose thorn]

lol oh

[queen laurel]

But seriously though this would work as a salamander don't you think

Or

Spawn of chotec

[queen laurel]

I cast, add space marines to darktide

[celest dome]

[queen laurel]

Honestly they are pretty similar now

Except you know the dimetrodon fins

[rose thorn]

those are alot bigger than tehse lizards

[queen laurel]

That is true

But like

[rose thorn]

is there any rors that have 2 models?

2 50mm guys

[queen laurel]

What other unit can the lizards fill in besides the salamander

[rose thorn]

aw terrawings are in units of 3

[queen laurel]

Yeah so like besides the salamander

What else can the easterling lizards fill in

[rose thorn]

i have no clue

whoops????

[storm jungle]

thats not automod

thats just discord connection

lmao

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah dils

You saw my ping

[storm jungle]

Yeah black person

[queen laurel]

It's going to be happening again

[storm jungle]

always does

[queen laurel]

[opaque coyote]

Weird ass question

What do Orks smell like

I always thought that they would smell like mold and mildew

[rose thorn]

oh lol

they smell liek sweaty raw meat

or something

i know they reak

it was meantioned in a few books

mentioned8

[queen laurel]

Horrific

They do not take baths

They just clean themselves with parasite hunting squigs

And take a shit

Once in a while

[opaque coyote]

Wait they shit

Thought they would like

Spread the "waste" into the air

[queen laurel]

Nope they drink and eat food

But since they don't have a reproductive organ they just you know

Shit

[queen laurel]

An ork settlement the drops which are their toilets are common thing

That's also the place where they get eaten squigs

Yes they grab these guys from the deepest parts of the

Drops

To eat

And those are called juicy squigs

Yes they eat things that can be found in a toilet

I'm not going to answer further

[opaque coyote]

...

Recycling

Can't say the old ones didn't make them efficient

The Orks literally smell like shit

How nice

[queen laurel]

Snake bites smell the worst

They use colored dung from squigs fed a variety of diets as camouflage

And dung combustion engines

For cars

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine a Ork biting a human slave and then leaving them to bleed out and die from blood loss and infection

Just laughing at them slowly dying

[queen laurel]

Considering snake bites have a lot of poisonous and venomous snakes

They would do that

[opaque coyote]

Dung in general is a surprisingly decent fuel source.

Especially cow dung

[queen laurel]

Yep and the boomer orks of the snake bites use it well

[rocky gale]

Apparently the guy who found the Malys sprue reached out to GW to confirm if it was genuine and they responded, they confirmed it was real and said it was only the beginning

[arctic talon]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS

[storm jungle]

LETS GOOOOO

OH WAIT I know that guy with the lynx pfp

hes one of the heads of the eldar discord lol

[arctic talon]

Which eldar discord LOL

[storm jungle]

The main one

you fucking moron

[arctic talon]

Okay so the unified one

[storm jungle]

YES

[arctic talon]

[arctic talon]

I’m not very smart okay

[winter vessel]

Doubtful that an Exodite discord exists

[arctic talon]

There’s individual drukhari, craftworld and clown ones

With one unified one

[winter vessel]

That combines all of em?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[winter vessel]

Wait

[storm jungle]

Hence the "unified" part.

[winter vessel]

So does an Astra Militarum discord exist then?

[storm jungle]

It has for like a decade

you people really need to explore discord more

💀

[winter vessel]

Guess I’ve been living under a rock for a decade

[rocky gale]

Wait there's a Drukhari one?

I tried to find Drukhari and just ended up in the unified one

[arctic talon]

Do you want a link

[arctic talon]

It’s like mostly dead iirc

[rocky gale]

Aww

[arctic talon]

The unified one is the real one

Regarding being alive tbh

[winter vessel]

I have three reasons (now two) to open discord. One was my Halo clan, two is work, and three is my Helldivers clan. Outside of that I don’t explore much

[arctic talon]

The IG discord is friendly

As long as you’re not racist

Lol

[winter vessel]

Yes please

[storm jungle]

Weak.

[arctic talon]

https://discord.gg/mvrSdbr

why is the logo blinking lol

It hurts my eyes

[winter vessel]

now I have three reasons to open discord

[arctic talon]

Safest mechanicus forge

[crystal forum]

extra lubrication

[arctic talon]

I hope Owlcat does another 40k game

Eventually

[crystal forum]

give it 8 years

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

They deffo will

[arctic talon]

Isn’t blood a terrible lubricant lol

[storm jungle]

as far as I know Rogue Trader was pretty successful?

[arctic talon]

It was yeah

It was more then kingmaker iirc

[crystal forum]

i honestly wouldn't know

[storm jungle]

also they will absolutely re-use the stuff they made for it

since like

[arctic talon]

But not wrath

[storm jungle]

Dark Heresy is 100% next

[crystal forum]

i have not made blood research

[arctic talon]

Curse of imperium maledictum

[storm jungle]

Maledicktum more like

Fantasy Flight FOREVER

🗣️

[crystal forum]

you're so funny dilara

[arctic talon]

Maledickdumb is a better version

[storm jungle]

shut up furry

[arctic talon]

Smh

[arctic talon]

Also FFG had terrible QC

[crystal forum]

only if you kick my balls

[arctic talon]

For better or for worse

Anyways drukhari wave!!!!!!

[crystal forum]

is it finally here

post images

[arctic talon]

No

Just from the Malys leaker

[crystal forum]

i leak but i dont tell everybody about it

wait for it to actually happen

all of this could be fake

eldar fans are desperate

[arctic talon]

The Malys is real

Good enough for me

[crystal forum]

how do you know

because somebody said GW replied to them?

[arctic talon]

I literally sent the image a while ago

Bruh

[crystal forum]

you understand what i mean right

[arctic talon]

It also lines up

With what we know

Already about AoO

We know asurmen and one other mini got cut from it

Malys has a 2023 copyright like asurmen

[crystal forum]

im just saying wait for the announcement

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

never listen to the 40k community ever

[arctic talon]

No

You are not forged by the potato leaks

Besides if it doesn’t happen I won’t be mad lol

It’s a leak

[crystal forum]

it's also drukhari so who cares

the whole 8 people who buy them

[arctic talon]

Me

I care!!!!!

[vagrant fox]

But it puts the khan up for bussin out of the webway because everything is primarchs

[arctic talon]

I like releases for factions regardless

[crystal forum]

and that's why you're the best wolf

[arctic talon]

Die

[crystal forum]

you care so i dont have to

[storm jungle]

Silence valhallan

your faction is more forgotten than the one you are making fun of

[crystal forum]

yet it still wins in drip

and i will single handedly commission valhallan art until there's more than drukhari art

[arctic talon]

Incorrect

There’s a lot of drukhari art

Too much one might even say

[storm jungle]

Yeah valhallans arent beating drukhari, sorry chump

[storm jungle]

Nope.

Vostroyans got you beat in Guard

either take your L or be decimated forever

[crystal forum]

vostroyans are for soyjacks who think napoleonic warfare is peak

oh look at my greatcoat and dumb fucking hat

valhallans represent russian military at its fucking peak

ouraaaa mfer

anything before WW2 can suck me

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/this-guy-laugh-gif-11948686

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes

Is designed to dry hard

Burns

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats valhallans

im glad we could come to reason

[celest dome]

Valhallan had so few drip that they didn't get an Auric set, and instead you have the Snow hounds or something in place

[arctic talon]

💀

Holy shit lol

[crystal forum]

i have my proxies

GW cant be trusted

[tough haven]

You’re the Ork expert, Kommandos or Wrecka Krew, who better embodies the essence of Orkiness? Of Gork’s (or was it Mork?) ideal?

@queen laurel

[opaque coyote]

"READ MF READ"

(spoiler warning: the Zealot cannot read)

[crystal forum]

heretic i'm not going to read what you're typing if it's 10 paragraphs

[opaque coyote]

"ERHM BUT ACTUALLY HORUS WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE BECAU-"

But seriously though Jay is right you've been typing for a while cacti

[crystal forum]

it's the discord equivalent of somebody charging up a kamehameha

[opaque coyote]

Mf charging up like Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon

[crystal forum]

false alarm everybody

[opaque coyote]

Nah we gotta nelson hold raditz

[winter vessel]

what a person looks like after they get their Master's degree in Literature

[dapper gyro]

This might be the place to argue about autogun, stubber and whatever lasgun can do.

[crystal forum]

clown reaction

[nocturne crest]

There's a guard server?

Is anyone allowed to join?

[arctic talon]

I literally just posted the link

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-les-simpson-matt-groening-youpi-yes-gif-12807783

[lament shoal]

What I want is a battlefield 1 style imperial guard fps

[arctic talon]

[lament shoal]

Would go so hard

[sacred ginkgo]

You and literally everyone else

GW likes money so much I have no idea why they haven't done it yet

[lament shoal]

Yeah thats how I know its a good idea

[arctic talon]

Because more then anything they like playing it safe lol

GW is an incredibly safe company

[sacred ginkgo]

Fair

[lament shoal]

The sales on a game like that would probably rival that of space marine 2 if it was done correctly

[sacred ginkgo]

I don't think this is very risky though

its literally just

[arctic talon]

They’re also very predictable

I think GW just doesn’t trust a company to do it

[sacred ginkgo]

Guard vs traitor guard

[arctic talon]

Yet tbh

[crystal forum]

also they dont want to pay for a dev studio that would make an actually good mainstream FPS

[arctic talon]

I mean

[sacred ginkgo]

Now that actually makes a lot of sense

[arctic talon]

They could pay for it

[crystal forum]

NO

[green loom]

Can you blame them?

[arctic talon]

They just don’t want to lol

[crystal forum]

they dont want to

[arctic talon]

They don’t trust companies other then themselves generally

[crystal forum]

that's the same wolf

[arctic talon]

They’re fine with mobile slop because it’s always a good return on $$$

[green loom]

Reiterating, can you blame them

[arctic talon]

A big triple A game

Like

Isn’t always a success

[crystal forum]

they dont even pay for the dev studio for mobile games

it's literally free money

[arctic talon]

They give the license

Lol

[opaque coyote]

I always wonder like

Stubbers are basically just

Lower quality right?

[crystal forum]

exactly

[opaque coyote]

Generally

[crystal forum]

free money

[arctic talon]

Yesnt

[opaque coyote]

Pain

[lament shoal]

Nah we gotta have orks in there too at the very least. With how good the vehicle combat in battlefield 1 was, it would be a missed opportunity not to include orks and their vehicles lol

[sacred ginkgo]

That would present the issue of asymetrical faction design

[crystal forum]

you ruined your idea

[arctic talon]

no

[sacred ginkgo]

Most importantly asymetrical infantry

[arctic talon]

Too asymmetrical lol

[crystal forum]

it should be pure guard

[arctic talon]

you fucked it up

[crystal forum]

no space marines

[arctic talon]

You need to pick 2 of the same faction

[lament shoal]

No I didn't

[arctic talon]

to be beating the fuck out of each other

Orks are far physically stronger then guardsmen

lol

and way bigger

[crystal forum]

also orks are lame

[sacred ginkgo]

Thus guard vs traitor guard

[arctic talon]

Die

Orks are not lame

[sacred ginkgo]

Or guard vs tau or something

[arctic talon]

you will be shot with a Shokk attack gun

still asymetrical

Tau vs guard is like

[sacred ginkgo]

Shooty basic humanoid factions

[crystal forum]

guard vs guard

[arctic talon]

fucked lol

guard vs traitor guard

keep it simple

keep it safe

If they want Guevesa as a treat

lol

[green loom]

If you want to see what semi-drastic asymmetry does to a game just look at Foxhole(it's a problem)

[opaque coyote]

Or is it that

Autoguns are ""futuristic""/STC fragment made

Stubbers are just equivalent to modernish guns

[crystal forum]

die

[green loom]

Sorry Jay

[arctic talon]

Stubbers aside from admech stubbers

are dogshit

lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah I suggested it first, tau is the closest xenos faction gameplay style

[opaque coyote]

Or Stubbers are just a various term for "Guns made in some random ass garage"

[arctic talon]

The issue is tau vehicles serve

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

a completely dif role doctrinally then guard

[crystal forum]

what

[arctic talon]

and function dif in lore

[sacred ginkgo]

Vehicles are the big issue

[arctic talon]

A hammerhead is way fucking wider

then a russ

and flatter

[sacred ginkgo]

Because its slow ass tanks versus gundam

[arctic talon]

Well just no suits

lol

[crystal forum]

that's not how that works

[arctic talon]

But then you still have the issue of Tau vehicles

lol

[opaque coyote]

How does it work then

[sacred ginkgo]

And the issue of no suits tau

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

People hate flat targets in FPS video games fun fact

[sacred ginkgo]

Cause its like half their popular identity

[green loom]

Stubbers and autoguns are just broad strokes words for projectile weapons

[lament shoal]

Bro we've seen them successfully go toe to toe with orks before

[arctic talon]

Again

its asymmetrical

Orks are bigger

[sacred ginkgo]

By outnumbering them

[arctic talon]

their vehicles are different

as well lol

[sacred ginkgo]

It would be really hard to balance

[green loom]

Refer to Tithes Episode 3

[arctic talon]

Ork guns also are different

[sacred ginkgo]

And team sizes would be different

[arctic talon]

Ork HP pools would have to either be A. Larger to compensate for how they're bigger

[sacred ginkgo]

64 orks vs 64 guard is a clean sweep

[arctic talon]

or they'd make orks anorexic

[crystal forum]

stubbers use shorter heavier bullets like heavy stubbers and stub pistols. autoguns and autopistols shoot like smaller bullets. also who cares

[arctic talon]

lol

Orks are WIDE + tall

[green loom]

Humans are squishy little meat sacks and die very easily to bullets
Orks are walking sacks of kevlar plating that can rather trivially rip your average person in half

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh yeah map design would be hell

[arctic talon]

yes Guardsmen can deal with orks

lol

but like that still is asymmetrical faction design

people fucking hate asymmetrical factions

[crystal forum]

YES VALHALLANS RULE

[sacred ginkgo]

Cause you would need to design spaces for two different scales of infantry

[arctic talon]

Battlefield is a symmetrical game

faction wise

[crystal forum]

thank you wolf for agreeing with me that valhallans are best faction

[arctic talon]

factions functionally have the same gear

[sacred ginkgo]

Except for like

[green loom]

very much so

[sacred ginkgo]

russian vs us air vehicles or something

And thats it

[arctic talon]

well

[crystal forum]

delete

[arctic talon]

you can use US air vehicles

as Russians no?

in BF4 at least

and vice versa

[sacred ginkgo]

haven't played 4

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/no-lott-lotr-gif-24369352

[arctic talon]

I know the base Chinese assault rifle in BF4 was thought to be the strongest

it had

the exact same stats

though LOL

the only difference was it was way fucking louder

[lament shoal]

There's an animation where a kriegsman killed one in single combat, or when in the tithes a small sized regiment was ambushed by kommandos and successfully fended them off. The commissar in the second one killed like 3 of them by himself with just a chainsword before needing help

[green loom]

TBF a gun can just feel better

[arctic talon]

and kicked more visually

[opaque coyote]

I think the only FPS game that I know where factions have like

Functionally different gear is Counterstrike. But considering how many people complain about it... and how Valorant literally decided to just make everybody have the same weapons.

It's hard to balance

[arctic talon]

Its 1 squad of kommandos

lol

[sacred ginkgo]

All important or named characters

[crystal forum]

plot armour

[arctic talon]

also again

[crystal forum]

delete your brain

[arctic talon]

Asymmetrical faction design

[lament shoal]

Yeah idc that doesn't make it any less possible

[arctic talon]

Lasgun vs Ork shoota

Like

[green loom]

Also that Commissar is rendered dead by one punch

[arctic talon]

those are completely different weapons

I don't know why you don't get why that wouldn't be fun

for one side

[sacred ginkgo]

You would be playing as basic cadian fresh off out of training guard

[arctic talon]

Like

[sacred ginkgo]

Who would get fucking eaten by an numerically equivalent ork force

[arctic talon]

Ork weapon lineup is completely different

Orks entierly lack a proper sniper role

[crystal forum]

it should be done by the rising storm studio

[arctic talon]

unless you count a kommando with an LMG

that theyve strapped a scope on

lol

but thats still just an LMG/HMG with a fucking scope

[opaque coyote]

Orks would have to have less numbers if they want to make the lore(ish) accurate.

But then it would suck to play because having one teammate be a dumbass would be more impactful than a Guardsman.

[green loom]

If you give X better stats than Y, X will win
If you balance this by capping the player count for X lower than for Y, Y will always win because numbers will win

[arctic talon]

They'd also havee way worse accuracy

lol

Ork guns recoil like a bitch

in lore

[crystal forum]

i just dont want orks in a guard game

[arctic talon]

Orks can barely control them properly normally

lol

[crystal forum]

orks are meme

[arctic talon]

It also doesn't let guard steal stuff

[crystal forum]

guard are chads

[arctic talon]

from the other function

or Orks vice versa

you can't use a Leman russ as an Ork boy without at least some changes being made to the way you enter it

[opaque coyote]

Maybe T'au would work but their vehicles are different in functionality so.

You'd probably have to go with Chaos

[arctic talon]

Just do guard vs traitor guard

[green loom]

I mean

It's not like 40k games are above moulding things for gameplay

[crystal forum]

why do you guys keep acting like tau isn't extremely fucking different to guard

[arctic talon]

I'm not?

[crystal forum]

you get a pass

[opaque coyote]

I'm not. I said their vehicles are different in functionality.

Each T'au soldier is also better equipped as well

Because they actually want them to come back alive

[crystal forum]

it should be guevesa

[opaque coyote]

[lament shoal]

To be fair you can still say that might work in the lore given their silly beliefs

[arctic talon]

Again

[opaque coyote]

You could do a lot of traitor guard though.

Daemon weapons

[arctic talon]

it would still be weird

[opaque coyote]

Daemon machines

Daemons

[arctic talon]

it'll be cosmetic

like it is in Battlefield lol

[crystal forum]

no demon shit

[arctic talon]

Daemonblade == powersword

[crystal forum]

ffs just branded shit like SM2 does

[opaque coyote]

I thought about it being similar to SW Battlefront where you have champions.

Except hopefully with less P2W.

[crystal forum]

that would suck since battlefront is for casuals

also terrible balance

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah traitor guard doesn't have to be fancy it can just be like fresh civil war type stuff where they've barely spray painted the 8 pointed star on stuff

[arctic talon]

Battlefront

is mostly symmetrical

Heros and stuff aren't

but the basic classes are

the vehicles are also meant to be aproximately on equal footing lol

[lament shoal]

A battlefront style wouldn't properly portray the brutality of 40k's wars. A battlefield style would.

[crystal forum]

i dont want another hero shooter

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of the "heroes" being different but the basic classes and vehicles being the same

[crystal forum]

it should be like rising storm 2

[arctic talon]

Also an example of a game with asymmetrical balancing

thats totally fucked

is uh

[crystal forum]

that's how guard are

they die fucking easy

[winter vessel]

Battlefield size but with the brutality of COD world at war cranked to 11

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

The star wars X-wing game lol

empire is objectively better

if you're a better player

[opaque coyote]

Oh no

[arctic talon]

you lack shields

[winter vessel]

Imperial aeronautica kinda game?

[arctic talon]

but power maagment goes fucking crazy

[crystal forum]

LEAVE

[opaque coyote]

LET'S FUCKING GOOO-

[green loom]

NO

[arctic talon]

since you don't need

to worry about a third system to divert power to

[sacred ginkgo]

The tabletop or digital

[green loom]

Okay but I will stop foxhole posting lol

[arctic talon]

the Flight simulator

lol

Rebels are way more beginner friendly

you have a bigger recharging HP pool

[crystal forum]

none of these casuals recognize it anyways

[arctic talon]

along with a sturdier vehicle

[green loom]

True

[arctic talon]

Imperials go way faster

[opaque coyote]

Too bad!

Drags you away into another Hero Shooter

[arctic talon]

have much more diversity in how they can distribute power

and can divert way more juice to one system

[green loom]

But tbcf it is a perfect example of what happens when asymmetry

[arctic talon]

Empire can max out the bar for engine/weaponry

Rebels can't

[crystal forum]

you want to actually talk about good asymetry

RISING
STORM
2

[sacred ginkgo]

I think I did the campaign for Squadrons cause I got it off of Epic

[crystal forum]

listen you fucks

[arctic talon]

Starcraft 2

Squadrons campaign is really good

tbh

[green loom]

Red Alert

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, I always thought the Battlefront format would be the best due to the fact that.

40k is all about collecting figurines.

You could sell unique characters

[crystal forum]

also battlefield vietnam

but nobody remembers that one

[winter vessel]

My uncle played that once

[opaque coyote]

Should I try Foxhole

I've been thinking about it

[green loom]

No

Or

Not until big update

[crystal forum]

yes because i know you'll suffer

[green loom]

So around end of summer

[opaque coyote]

I already suffer

[crystal forum]

suffer more

[green loom]

Rn playercount is too low so the game is ass to play

[opaque coyote]

Also I've played 800 hours of R6S

[lament shoal]

Helldivers style game but with tempestus scions

[crystal forum]

that's casual hours for foxhole

[opaque coyote]

Dang well that sucks ass

[crystal forum]

i know several people at 10k

[opaque coyote]

Guess I'll wait then

[arctic talon]

idk I think battlefield 40k would work fine

as long as its kept symmetrical lol

or maybe I'm stupid

and they'll do battlefront 40k

or something more derranged

[green loom]

I guess you can try it out at any rate but I wouldn't play it too much until big update drops this year

[winter vessel]

I almost was going to play R6S but then I realized I had no friends to play with. So I traded it back to the store for D2

[green loom]

Like you can do some chill casual stuff

[opaque coyote]

If I was a business guy, I would do Battlefront honestly.

[crystal forum]

ed the game will get worse for the next 2 years because massive update

[green loom]

Yes

But people play the massive update

So the chaos gets fun

[crystal forum]

it will be unplayable for a long time

i will also model the planes

and make an RC plane

[winter vessel]

How’d you expect the class system to work?

[lament shoal]

There needs to be brutal melee combat and battlefield has that

[green loom]

I'm 100% sure it will be like the last 2 major updates where the devs just forget huge mechanics for no reason

[crystal forum]

that's every major update

[green loom]

I actually won't be shocked if they just don't add anti air

[crystal forum]

do update -> fix issues in next 5 updates

playerbase are bug testers

[arctic talon]

battlefields melee combat frankly sucks lol

also battlefront has melee combat

the modern EA ones rather

[crystal forum]

remember melee counters in 4

[arctic talon]

even if its clunky

its got full fucking lightsaber dueling lol

which is goofy

Just steal that for melee weapons clashing

lol

[winter vessel]

It was hells fun doing it on Verdun Operations back in BF1. I still remember it. Last sector, both French and Germans just dog piling

[arctic talon]

oh I loved running around on a horse

and stabbing people

lol

[lament shoal]

I never saw a problem with it. Just about every weapon in battlefield 1 could end you in seconds

[winter vessel]

Was once on a server where all classes only had access to bolt action rifles. Best three weeks of my life

[lament shoal]

Plus it has cool finishers

[opaque coyote]

Functionally the same for both sides with the only differences being the Heroes/Villains

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/7IsO6XyB5-c?si=9P8CXp84Qoyr24KK

this was so fucking stupid

just click melee

and they die

battlefield 1 players are children tbh

so young

[arctic talon]

if its like Battlefield then each map can have a dif regiment

lol

[winter vessel]

Maybe like the point system just for specialized classes. Storm troops

[arctic talon]

And they can cook up traitor guard regiments

Its not like GW is lacking ideas

for them

[lament shoal]

They should put in some cultists for the traitors too, just as a reskin for certain classes

[arctic talon]

Tie into darktide with Moebian Sixth on Moebian Sixth

[winter vessel]

Ooh, what if they do something like that reinforcement feature on BF1. Like “we’re being reinforced with etc.”

[arctic talon]

yeah that would be cool

some of the specialist classes for Traitors can be cultists

[crystal forum]

i think all your ideas suck because rising storm

[arctic talon]

Sorc vs battle psyker

Jay you're old/j

[crystal forum]

it's not even an old game

well it is

but newer than battlefield

im actually a red orchestra 2 fan

now that's old

[winter vessel]

snickers

[crystal forum]

a guard game should have you dying very quickly

[lament shoal]

Well yeah, which is why I think the battlefield 1 formula is perfect

[crystal forum]

it isn't

it's for console kids

way too easy

[lament shoal]

Tf are you talking about

[opaque coyote]

Would GSC Guardsmen be viable?

[arctic talon]

Yes

brood bros would be viable

[crystal forum]

it's a kid's game man it's fucking easy

you have so much health

[arctic talon]

Brood bros/traitor guard/gue'vesa

though gue'vesa would ahve to be fresh converts

[winter vessel]

Thought that read “boob bros”

[arctic talon]

LOL

I mean

[lament shoal]

That's not true at all man lol, most of the guns there can and will end you in seconds

[crystal forum]

i'll take the rising storm damage instead

1 fucking bullet

[winter vessel]

I once had an idea of a Ghost Recon esque game. But I wouldn’t know what faction to fit it in with.

[opaque coyote]

Also

Although the T'au are functionally different in terms of Vehicles, gear, etc.

I can't help but want them in a battlefield game.

Gue'vesa would probably be the best though. Maybe with some T'au vehicles as a treat

[crystal forum]

plus tanks in battlefield suck

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Eldar

Rangers specifically

[crystal forum]

get red orchestra 2 and realize that it somehow had the best tanking system ever

idk why an fps had that

[arctic talon]

Rangers don't mind getting creative with using other weapons

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274561498680791093/1364150296812716082/V25erIT.mp4?ex=680beb37&is=680a99b7&hm=35f39ab327cbef7afb1d42e1533b28cd52b733c012de0a04909cd50b92d3a66f&

[crystal forum]

like it's ridiculously good

the entire interior is modelled

damage is realistic

you have to look through viewports

[winter vessel]

Jay be glazing like an Apple Fritter from regular show. Doing it twice

[arctic talon]

that seems like a different game entierly lol

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/oKnDXfoCpPg?si=GXUzNcc2hgxywz7p

[arctic talon]

The thing is I think if GW invests this much they want casual audiances to pick it up

[crystal forum]

it's so good

[arctic talon]

and play it

but hey maybe I'm wrong

and GW would invest in nicher stuff

[crystal forum]

YOU CAN EVEN RAISE THE DRIVER HATCH

no game has done that

[arctic talon]

I'm so sad star wars squadrons didn't do better

genuinely a really well designed game

even if I was bad at it lol

[lament shoal]

Look man realism is great and all but not everyone wants their games to be something you'd give to irl troops to get them ready for war lol

[crystal forum]

tf are you using these words for

[arctic talon]

I'm a sucker for power managment systems lol

[crystal forum]

you just want a reskinned battlefield

just mod it yourself nerd

absolute trash

[lament shoal]

Jay is so feisty today lol

[arctic talon]

Though New Republic was considered stronger for like most of Squadrons existence lol

[lament shoal]

Something musta happened

[arctic talon]

until people figured out the secret sauce on flying TIE fighters

which is that if you go fast enough it doesn't matter how fragile you are

[winter vessel]

In general, my favorite fighter craft in SW for the Empire is the Interceptor

[sacred ginkgo]

Skill expression going insane

[arctic talon]

The TIE interceptor hurts my fucking hands

to pilot lol

genuniely nightmarish

[lament shoal]

Kamikaze straight into the ground troops

[arctic talon]

thing does a ton of damage + goes absurdly fast

sucks at killing capital ships but whatever, its not your problem LOL

your job is picking apart slower New republic stuff

and they are plentiful

the only ship that can keep up is the A-wing

but its got way worse guns lol

[crystal forum]

get a flight stick

[arctic talon]

no

I play flightsims with a controller

[winter vessel]

Was the tie defender ever added into the game, Elite?

[crystal forum]

get arthritis

[arctic talon]

Yes'

it got added in the final update

[crystal forum]

i play games with my space mouse

it has way too many degrees of movement

also wacky as fuck

[opaque coyote]

In the grim dark future of 40k

A mini person makes your faux-ramen and then gets eaten for sustenance.

[arctic talon]

TIE defender was weird

B-wing was a total monster damage wise

[crystal forum]

is 4chan alive again

[arctic talon]

no

[opaque coyote]

nah

[crystal forum]

all the 40k fans will flood the nearest racist shithole

[opaque coyote]

considering most of the mods and admins got doxxed

probably won't be back for a while

[arctic talon]

also TIE defender

was the only empire fighter with actual meaningful shields

LOL

[opaque coyote]

Also funnily enough a good amount of them are feds

...

[crystal forum]

i thought that was a joke

[opaque coyote]

Nope

[lament shoal]

r/horusgala-- oh wait

[arctic talon]

TIE reaper was a support ship

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

which is funny

it had "shields"