40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Would that count as actual art?

[winged jacinth]

an AI that could decide to paint is fundamentally different from what the things we call AI do

something that i dont think gets said enough is that the techniques that are being pushed now arent even a road to general intelligence

[late osprey]

just an era of neo-luddism

[dusky scroll]

Has no one tried to treat/remove Angrons.... brain implants?

[late osprey]

angron couldnt afford the operation

[opaque coyote]

It's kinda fused with his brain

like

literally fused with his brain

[sacred ginkgo]

“It’s DAoT tech in his brain we can’t cause he’ll die!!!!!”

[opaque coyote]

If you tried to remove it, you'd also remove his brain.

[sacred ginkgo]

And see no noticeable difference

[opaque coyote]

true

idk maybe he'd be happy right before death

but either way, apparently the Butcher's Nails that Nuceria used basically made it so that it's fused within your brain

And it also slowly kills you

Why didn't the Emperor kill him, help him, or just

do anything?

"A shell of a son will suffice"

[sacred ginkgo]

Because he needs to live to sell a model in 40k

[opaque coyote]

Father of the fucking year

[winter vessel]

cuz he's an ass of a dad

[opaque coyote]

"WHY CAN'T I KILL MYSELF???"

"your model's selling well"

"AAAAAAAA-"

honestly that's pretty much the only reason why Angron didn't off himself

[late osprey]

they call him God "G.Dubs" Emperor

[late osprey]

this sounds like the setup to some very morbid jokes

the many suicide attempts of angron

[vagrant fox]

Can't help Angron because it'd kill him, the Emps looked into it and summoned consultation for a second opinion
Got a galaxy to conquer, doesn't matter that the most pathetic primarch has an expiry date now he's still useful for a while

I find it funny that the emperor speculates on reviving Ferrus but not Angron but that's when the heresy is going on I think

[opaque coyote]

Don't Primarchs have regen

Like I think Russ regened his heart

So I'm thinking of Angron having a better Regen factor than the other Primarchs for no reason

Every attempt to kill himself fails due to him literally regenerating from it. He is fated to die a slow death from the nails as a redult

After all Lorgar regenerated from getting his fucking face ripped off

I can also imagine because Primarchs can literally regenerate from severe brain damage. That's why the Emperor couldn't remove the nails

It simply regenerated over too fast to remove the nails

Judging by the bullshit I just researched.

I assume that Ferrus can actually come back if they can manage to find his fucking head

[vagrant fox]

The problem with Angron is that his nails were daot bs that carved out and replaced the brain, leaving little for regeneration
Whatever it did, it damaged something essential as well because he doesn't seem to have that weird primarch aura

[opaque coyote]

I think it might be the brain damage

And the brain damage

And the brai-

Jokes aside, isn't the Primarch Aura like

Subconscious?

[vagrant fox]

Probably, there's some speculation on his soul being damaged because he had some weird empathy powers that vanished

[opaque coyote]

If most of his brain got fucking replaced, that also includes stuff like the subconscious

Either that or he's just too angry and self hating to figure out how to turn it on again.

[vagrant fox]

He could feel what others felt and take away their pain but now he's too brain damaged and tries to commit death by war

Too bad he's a primarch

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think considering how his sons decided to nail their heads in.

I think instead of taking away their pain, he's now making others feel his pain

Like an inverse of sorts

Went from the therapist to the one causing the trauma

[vagrant fox]

More or less, he could have stopped them but he's more indifferent than the emps at that point or downright malicious

[opaque coyote]

I think indifferent would be right

Angron is basically wallowing in his misery

Just

Angrily

[vagrant fox]

He's only happy when his sons fight back and moments before Lorgar 'helps' him
The HH books did him pretty good, but he's also such a manfailure

[storm jungle]

I just cannot feel sad for him because he imbued his entire suffering to his legion/abused them because he failed at life lol

[vagrant fox]

Absolutely, I love how much of a failure he is

[storm jungle]

Its satire for us the fandom

brave GW!

[vagrant fox]

Very good

[storm jungle]

[late osprey]

the people who know most about the lore are angron

everyone else? war hounds

[vagrant fox]

Baller colour scheme

What's his face Kharns bff going on about how Angron sucks was a +2

[late osprey]

"hmm what is the exact opposite of red and yellow" - british GW, suddenly looking at france

"aha!"

[storm jungle]

what 💀

[late osprey]

the medieval british colors were red and white, to france's blue and yellow

when they were killing each other for 300+ years

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Basically he can be summarized as this:

https://youtu.be/iRT4bUl2iFA?si=8wLn6zU8si6sSknX

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I pity him and like him as a character.

At the same time I am not making any excuses for him bro

He is genuinely a bitch

[storm jungle]

I kinda ran out of pity tbh.

hes just a dog at this point

I very much find his "hes so tragic" shit by the fandom overrated

[vagrant fox]

I sometimes think about how Angrons big rebellion was his gladiator daddys idea and Angrons addition to it was to die in the mountains

Very clever thinking

[storm jungle]

Yeah angron basically died on those mountains spiritually

anything after that is just the world's longest suicide note

[opaque coyote]

I think the reason why I like him is mainly because he does embody a dark tendency.

To basically wallow in self pity without actually improving as a person.

Because, shockingly enough, actually improving yourself against overwhelming circumstances is hard

[storm jungle]

Its prety basic.

"The world hates me so im gonna kill everyone"

https://tenor.com/view/hatred-gun-edgy-gif-18213115

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but sometimes I like that basic bitch boy type of shit

Also

Dreadnails

Nail locks?

Butcherlocks

[vagrant fox]

It works as a greek tragedy type of stuff where the characters are just grand gestures or emotions
But the primarchs became main characters with traits and thoughts

[queen laurel]

Yeah if only his father figure

i don't know was a better father

[vagrant fox]

At least it's my impression

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/gVY0_y8MAys?si=gS5DWNq7EBJD2f2Y

Challenge

Name one loving action the Emperor did towards his sons

[vagrant fox]

At least he spent 30 years with Horus, flat out agreed with Sanguinius and Jagathais demands

There's a few small things

Considering it, he was at least tolerable and decent enough to the ones that remained loyalist

[opaque coyote]

"please do not massacre my followers" should be a basic thing lol

[late osprey]

do you think the Emperor had a secret Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde situation?

where his second Asshole Personality takes over when he meets the primarchs that turned traitor

while his normal Tolerable Personality is in charge when he meets the loyalist

[opaque coyote]

Would've been interesting but probably not

[late osprey]

true

evil twin brother's a bit more likely imo

[opaque coyote]

There is also the theory that he knew who was traitor and who wasn't

But he was also shocked when Horus turned traitor

So

[late osprey]

maybe he was just acting shocked to throw people off

"ohhh wow half of these primarchs were evil thats crazy haha i didnt expect that at all"

[opaque coyote]

Considering the Emperor tried to convince Horus

Even while he was basically a puppet for the Four.

I'd say nah he at least didn't plan for Horus and Magnus

[vagrant fox]

It's a bit of a mischaracterization imho, from what I remember with the Emps meeting Sanguinius there's no hostile intent. He didn't care about Baal or Sangs people in the slightest though, just getting birdboy onboard

The Horusy is a mess of old plot points and weird inserts, to the point it spawns weirdass theories all of the time

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Emperor has always focused on the big picture.

and as said above its just a lot of bad writing fans trying to cope to try to be good with nonsense writers didnt think of

[opaque coyote]

"Hmmm wow this train is big... and it keeps getting closer!"

[late osprey]

before 8th my favorite theory was the Horus Heresy never happened

[vagrant fox]

I find it funny that Sanguinius decided that Baal should remain an irradiated shithole for eternity instead of just marginally improving peoples lives

[opaque coyote]

Overall even if Erda didn't spread them out like a brain dented idiot.

I don't think that his kids would've turned out much better

[late osprey]

its cuz he read Dune and thought if he made people's lives better then they wouldn't be good warriors anymore

[opaque coyote]

Why do you think the Emperor was distraught when he died

They have the same grindset

[storm jungle]

Literally the worst kind of theory in any media

"it never happened" is up there with "it was all a dream"

[vagrant fox]

Birds of a feather or how the saying goes

[late osprey]

yeah, it was all abaddon's dream

[storm jungle]

more like the Emperor's

but yes

[late osprey]

plot holes are just his deranged subconscious

well the emperor's dead or whatever

[storm jungle]

I mean no he isnt

[storm jungle]

We dont need to fault the antagonists for dumb shit the protagonists do

[opaque coyote]

I think the craziest fucking theory I've heard was that

Horus's corpse was placed on the throne instead of the Emperor

[late osprey]

hes not but idk if id even call what he is "awake" or "dreaming"

[storm jungle]

I mean he is

hes not dead

he never was

the lore says this

[late osprey]

yeah

and im saying that too

[storm jungle]

Also one of the worst ones

I remember people dreading it when the final Siege books were coming out

lol

[vagrant fox]

Erebus, not that you can trust him, says otherwise iirc. Honestly the primarchs found first turned out mostly good

[opaque coyote]

He is dreaming

It's just that it's constant nightmares

Also his balls keep getting stabbed despite not having them anymore

[late osprey]

this one sounds awesome lmao

does it also say that like

the emperor's right behind the curtains or something the whole time?

or what happens to the emperor

[storm jungle]

once again im glad the authors are sometimes smarter than the fanbase

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think it's stupid purely because

You see two corpses. Which one should you choose?

The one that's clearly in golden armor

Or the one that's in the most evil set of armor imaginable with chaos stank everywhere?

[late osprey]

if you ever saw the plot of megamind

it was basically like that

[vagrant fox]

The speculations were wild, people were obsessed with the idea of the Emperor having to put down Sanguinius in a black rage after Sanguinius killed Horus

[late osprey]

emperor wanted to retire

[storm jungle]

THAT was also just a terrible one but id have loved to see it

mostly so people got mad

but instead we got Sanguinius being beaten like a dog

which is also funny

even if people go "OMG I CRIED"

yeah yeah

shut up

[vagrant fox]

The scene we got was way funnier

[late osprey]

throwing horus's body on the chair would've been the ultimate cover for him to pursue his dream of writing AI art prompts

[opaque coyote]

Y'know it would've been interesting

If it wasn't for the fact that the Black Rage existed after Sangy died so

[opaque coyote]

💀

[rocky gale]

I remember there was a british show that did that, it was like a huge soap that ran for like 20 years about this hotel that was really popular and in the final episode it reveals that none of it was real, it was all just a person working in a supermarket daydreaming it and the characters from the show were just the shoppers they saw daily.

People got so mad.

[storm jungle]

YEP.

Its a popular hated trope for a reason

[opaque coyote]

Lost moment

[storm jungle]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJustADream

[opaque coyote]

"all the characters were actually dead this whole time"

[storm jungle]

It works better for say like

Scrooge's christmast story

there its endearing and touching because it changes him as a person

here its like "oh good lord im glad that never happened! I learned nothing!"

[late osprey]

well there's still an actual story outside of the dream

[opaque coyote]

I mean Narnia I think was also one that was interesting.

[opaque coyote]

Since it's technically a "it was all a dream" trope

But also not

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats not really the case there

[late osprey]

no thats isekai

[opaque coyote]

True

[late osprey]

or as aristocrats call it, Otherworld

[rocky gale]

Yea Narnia is pretty wild when you think about it

[opaque coyote]

Also Super Mario 2 which is wild

[rocky gale]

Like those kids lived for like 50 years, had full lives and then suddenly they were 10 years old again

[late osprey]

i'd be so fucking pissed if that was me

[opaque coyote]

Honestly the concept of the aftermath itself is interesting to me

You live years in a fantasy world

[late osprey]

i dont know about you guys but id be livid after living the most awesome royal life imaginable and then

[opaque coyote]

Then you wake up back to when you're 10

[late osprey]

haha now you're just some snot-nosed british kid

[rocky gale]

During WW2

[opaque coyote]

I think it's implied that they could go back anytime

[late osprey]

go back to school, asshole

[late osprey]

at least from the movie they essentially stumble back into the Real

[rocky gale]

Na they forgot about the wardrobe

[opaque coyote]

Oof really

Cringe

[rocky gale]

and don't remember until they see the lampost

[opaque coyote]

Literally that one lamp shadow coma story

[rocky gale]

When you think about it the fact they live their lives in Narnia and then go back to being kids makes some of the later storylines atleast in the movies not make sense

[vagrant fox]

The change from Horus just entertaining birdboy to that is so abrupt it genuinely made me chuckle

[late osprey]

look, if you hate it when it's all just a dream, do NOT look into TES deep lore

all ill say

[rocky gale]

Like the whole storyline in Dawn Treader where Lucy is worried she might now grow up to be pretty, like you already grew up Lucy. You know what you look like when you're an adult.

[vagrant fox]

TES is interesting about the dream thing at least

[storm jungle]

Him reaching into the "4th dimension" to catch Sanguinius too

Sang literally gets killed mid-monologue too

[green loom]

Best way to go

[celest dome]

What about the big sister not going back to Narnia cause she was now interested in ||boys and not purity or what ever bullshit it was💀||

[opaque coyote]

I remember a writing prompt that was actually pretty interesting to me.

Essentially the generic child Isekai story happens.

Kid is whisked away into another world, saves it, comes back. But because of the events there, they are traumatized.

They manage to continue on into adulthood. Get a job, wife, kids, etc.

But then while with their kids, their kids get asked to help the fantasy world once again.

With the kid now adult present

[vagrant fox]

Absolutely cooked and seasoned to perfection, Abnett you did it again you shit

[rocky gale]

I think there's one kind of like that, where like the MC's uncle gets isekaid but then wake up from a coma and comes back, but he just misses the life he had in the other world

[opaque coyote]

I'm just imagining the 4 chaos gods crowded on one controller

Controlling Horus

"Ugh will this guy just shut the fuck up already."

[storm jungle]

They were actually on the side sitting on thrones and spectating/hollering.

[opaque coyote]

"THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT BEING ON MY SIDE ASSHOLE"

Khorne makes Horus stab Sangy mid monologue

[storm jungle]

(this isnt a joke)

[opaque coyote]

Yeah again

The Chaos Gods are literally just roommates playing and watching a game

[storm jungle]

totally "eldritch" and "unknowable" btw

[vagrant fox]

The chaos gods are doing a Statler and Waldorf routine on the side yea

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it is Eldritch the same way like

An insect would see a bunch of humans putting them against another insect

They're literally just a bunch of roommates and the 40k universe is just a custom homebrew game of DnD they play

[late osprey]

the end of Men in Black is kinda like a dream, its all some alien's marble

[rocky gale]

Na

[storm jungle]

"dream"

I mean

it was to K at least lol

sort of

actually wait no

[late osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKnpPCQyUec

[storm jungle]

he gets mindwiped in the second movie

[late osprey]

do you think the marbles colliding caused massive annihilation events or are they safe

[storm jungle]

We got other movies.

So its safe.

[rocky gale]

It's a riff on the theme of the movie

They're all fighting over an object that contains an entire universe

and then the ending shows our entire universe is inside of an object and higher beings use it to play marbles

[storm jungle]

^

do you care about what the microbes in your body do

[late osprey]

the scale could be such that a second of their time is unfathomable amounts of time to us

[storm jungle]

Well yeah. But the universe didnt implode.

[late osprey]

true theres still that galaxy in there

[storm jungle]

Probably more.

Again as Iar said its just a cool visual thing, there isnt some implication of stuff being destroyed.

[vagrant fox]

men in black more like uhh, aged cgi

[storm jungle]

hey

be nice

[vagrant fox]

Maybe Will Smiths reputation aged worse than the worm guys did tbf

[dapper gyro]

Will Smith... such a shame.

[sly ivy]

Sometimes they make u poop funny

[storm jungle]

no

[sly ivy]

TIL u have no gut microbiome

Corollary u r probably dead or a robot

[hallow basin]

step up your game and get yourself some gut macrobiome

Tapeworms exist for a reason

[dapper gyro]

If Im a worm, can I be your parasitic worm?

[hallow basin]

Would you love me if I was a tapeworm inside you?

[queen laurel]

no because i don't worship nurgle

[dapper gyro]

Symbiotic relationship then?

[summer mural]

Tamurkhan maxxing

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

they are plotting to overthrow me

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cough-germs-microbe-microscopic-bacteria-gif-15340997

[winged jacinth]

Imagine being angron and becoming a daemon prince, dying, and then reviving in the warp only to learn you still have the nails somehow

Plus hes with khorne who's the only one who won't do anything about them

[storm jungle]

Im glad the Arks book with Angron covers this

theres a moment where he gets absolutely obliterated and is at peace before he spawns back and howls in anger at feeling the nails in his skull again

made me laugh

[winged jacinth]

It has to be a prank by khorne at that point right

[shadow plover]

it keeps him useful

[winged jacinth]

Or maybe princes revive with any augmentics they had pre-princing

[sly ivy]

It’s Khorne teaching him a lesson about the spirit of Christmas

[plush mason]

i love that movie

[crystal forum]

i think it would have been better without bill murray

it really shows that we mostly remember the movie for the animation and not for the live action boring stuff

[plush mason]

yeah

the show was full animation and frankly better for it

[storm jungle]

I mean its literally an animation first live-action second

that isnt super shocking is it

[crystal forum]

it's been a while but i remember the live action being a lot of gross out comedy involving bill murray sneezing and coughing everywhere

not the best use of an A list actor

[storm jungle]

they just filmed him on set

it was pretty grounded

hes also just a miserable fuck like Harrison Ford so not like it makes much of a difference

[plush mason]

i think the one scene i remember was him at the zoo scratching his ass while trash talking the monkey for doing the same

[crystal forum]

harrison ford's act is being bored

i think he cares more than murray

[plush mason]

he has become the embodiment for "im old and tired"

[nocturne crest]

He's a bastard.

[crystal forum]

that's the thing though, ford was always the "this stuff is beneath me" guy

like when you think about it that's what makes han solo and indiana jones so memorable

[storm jungle]

I too wish I could show up to set

do nothing and be grumpy + half dead like a corpse

and get paid in millions

but alas

[crystal forum]

idk i watched a video glazing him and now i'm a ford fan again

[storm jungle]

I know that video, its nonsense

"hes a chad because he doesnt care"

great, again I too wish I could do nothing and be a rich man

[crystal forum]

can we at least agree that danny devito is awesome

[storm jungle]

Danny is great because he puts his all into everything

he isnt a shill

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

you'd never see any big ranking actor in a role like this

its why I love him

[crystal forum]

ye it's good to see a celebrity with some love for the craft

meanwhile bill murray stopped caring like 40 years ago

[storm jungle]

he is basically a corpse so that checks out

[crystal forum]

even before he was old af

[storm jungle]

kissinger looking ass

[crystal forum]

like after ghostbusters he just checked out

you can tell he was actually trying in that movie which is part of what makes it so great

https://youtu.be/q0POXW4V1_k?si=E0xomoToUR4SEOUF

[wintry scarab]

Are these company symbols universal across all codex compliant chapters?

[plush mason]

afaik all the codex compliant chapters use that system just with different ways to mark the companies

[dapper gyro]

It is a suggestion, not a dictation.

[storm jungle]

^

its the "default" thing

most chapters will adhere or customise it

[raven stone]

(And of course nothing to stop you from coming up with your own lore and unique organisation.)

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a suggestion like said above

half the texts on that page literally say "this isnt a MUST for most Chapters"

[dapper gyro]

Even some official chapters have different marking type depending on time period or mission.

Some are different even within the chapter, including the Ultramarines themselves.

[plush mason]

yeah the codex isnt meant to be a bible, its a guidebook to be followed as losely or as tightly as needs be

the nature of the imperium's decline over the 10k years after the heresy made it into a bible

[rose thorn]

What necromudna house gang is getting the next secundus update?

[storm jungle]

No idea.

[queen laurel]

Hey dils quick question

What the heck is imperium secundas

I don't really pay attention to warhammer too much nowadays

[storm jungle]

The temporary empire Guilliman made from Ultrmar when he thought the Imperium was ogn eduring the heresy

its been a thing for like 10 years or so IRL

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperium_Secundus

[queen laurel]

Is it still around?

Or

[storm jungle]

No lol

[queen laurel]

Did the imperium do the funny again

[storm jungle]

he dismantled it the moment he realised Terra is still standing

[plush mason]

is it canon that he refuses to talk about it or just a fan thing?

[storm jungle]

Its canon

its basically forgotten history

he wasnt even gonna rule it, he appointed Sanguinius for it

[queen laurel]

Didn't rotigus decide to be hilarious about it

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[queen laurel]

At one point

[storm jungle]

anyway

[plush mason]

iirc it was said he feels ashamed of it right?

[queen laurel]

Like he revealed the information

[storm jungle]

Kind of

basically he had good intentions for it

the issue is if people right now in M42 discovered it

they'd think hes a secret coup-organiser

when that wasnt the case at all

[plush mason]

it was mainly because he assumed the emeperor and his imperium would fall so quickly

[storm jungle]

Not that

He just assumed it was all gone

He wasnt looking to take over

it was a whole "shit i gotta set up a replacement"

[queen laurel]

they would definitely think he's some kind of deranged monster that seeks to make something better than his father

[plush mason]

yeah i know, thats where his shame is from i mean, that he gave up so quickly

[storm jungle]

its the equilavent of basically

your pals are going in to get ores in minecraft

[dapper gyro]

A back up plan, Rowboat is a man with actual planning vision and not just "seeing the future" shit.

[storm jungle]

they log off

you spawn some items in

they come back

"Nooo guys I just wanted to get us good gear"

[plush mason]

yeah i know

[dapper gyro]

The special power of being a politician is OP as fuck.

[plush mason]

you mean a logistician and strategist

[dapper gyro]

Kind of what you need to be a good politician.

Well, you need good intention too.

[plush mason]

not at all true

a good politician needs to be a good orator and demagog

because palitics is purely about manipulation

telling people what they want to hear in a way that benifits your cause

[dapper gyro]

You need to play with people mind, which is a big mind game, and economy itself is logistic.

[plush mason]

and politicians dont work on the economy directly

they issue policies that then impact the economy ether directly or indirectly

[dapper gyro]

If you only do one of those, you are prone to failure (We definitely don't have an orange example right now).

[plush mason]

thats why the best politicians leave the actual ground work to those better suited to it

the hallmark of all good leaders is delegation

[crystal forum]

i thought politicians were supposed to smother anybody who might take attention away from their awe inspiring presence?

[plush mason]

we are talking about good ones

[crystal forum]

what's a good politician

[plush mason]

one that is so rare they basically dont exist, one that is a good leader orator and demegog

[crystal forum]

the government is supposed to be an uncaring, unemotional machine but also i will vote for the guy who loves making everything about himself and will divulge state secrets to anybody who casually flatters him

[plush mason]

yeah that is sad truth of it

the nature of politics is a person using their own personal views and judgements to influence the lives of others

means you get many many many con men and very few worthy leaders

[crystal forum]

we are both extremely illogical in our collective thinking yet also really bad at feeling empathy it's really funny

[plush mason]

yup

humans are nothing if not full of contradictions

[queen laurel]

Let me tell you one thing if a space fairing species finds us they will find us confusing

Is not absolutely horrifying

[crystal forum]

this place will never be the same without eternal chiming in on why everything is ok

[storm jungle]

his redditor arguments are sorely missed

🫡

[plush mason]

i wonder what the straw was

[storm jungle]

Uh he got in a 40m argument about the minecraft movie with some other users and it kinda spiraled

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-17997916878979753001

[queen laurel]

Yeah he even admitted it me himself

He didn't care about the movie

Then i asked him if you didn't care why would you argue with it

Because apparently he feels like it doesn't deserve credit

Basically it was just one giant contradiction

[plush mason]

oof

[queen laurel]

Let me tell you it was like

Ugh

[storm jungle]

To be fair he kinda always started shit

[queen laurel]

Like he's this guy who claims he genuinely can ignore things that doesn't bother him

But he said that to the minecraft movie

[storm jungle]

I just let it go most of the time but then some people reported him to another mod

[queen laurel]

And look where that went

[plush mason]

yeah i know, its why i was expecting him to get banned at some point

[queen laurel]

We developed a lot of grit

Dealing with him i will admit

[queen laurel]

Speaking of

Are Exalted daemons still a thing

In 40k

[spring cairn]

someone watched a pancreas video recently

[plush mason]

yes afaik, for nurgle ones its literally a ranking system that they talk about a lot

[queen laurel]

You know me

They just haven't popped up in a story recently

Good to know

[plush mason]

iirc there was a story where one of the daemons literally went "listen here mortal i am 600th in grandfather's favor, i outrank you"

or something like that

[vagrant fox]

Something like that happens in Dark Imperium I think

[plush mason]

yeah i think thats where it was

like rotigis and kugath is involved as well

and rotigis is now number 1 because kugath messed up on something

its really funny

because it sounds like a bunch of gamers boasting about their leaderboard rankings

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

if this doesn't deserve credit

then we live in hell

[vagrant fox]

My ass stank ranks 448th on the leaderboards

[plush mason]

literally

[crystal forum]

that's putting it lightly

complains about topic he doesn't like, proceeds to engage with it for 3 hours

[storm jungle]

I was trying to be nice but yeah

hes a hypocrite dipshit

legit peak space marine pfp user

[plush mason]

and he did have a fitting one

[queen laurel]

Annoying part is if if you cut out those annoying parts

He is a genuinely nice person to talk to

[crystal forum]

i liked him when he wasn't being an ass

[arctic talon]

This edition

[storm jungle]

^ this yeah

[queen laurel]

Like as much as i rag on the guy

He's pretty helpful

[storm jungle]

I like him when hes nice but he just argues way too much.

[queen laurel]

Uncertain things

[plush mason]

same

[arctic talon]

Let malys out of her prison

[storm jungle]

like the fact that I forgave him as much as I did was probably not good

[queen laurel]

Yeah it

[plush mason]

but again, redditor

[queen laurel]

Outways it

[vagrant fox]

That's just what jews are like innit?

[plush mason]

redditors are fine when they arent being assholes

[storm jungle]

Yeah the fact that he actively argues with people on grimdank/r40klore kinda sealed the deal for me lol

[shadow plover]

I really doubt that's the posing they're going with, doesn't flow very well

[queen laurel]

The guy is like the equivalent of an argument ork

[shadow plover]

arms are probably in different poses

[queen laurel]

Always looking for a fight

[plush mason]

why does this look melted?

[arctic talon]

Because it’s photoshopped

Together

The person who posted the malys sprue didn’t assemble her

[arctic talon]

So drukhari players got desperate

Oh also Valrak leak

Multipart archon this edition apparently, but this was before the Malys leak

So who tf knows

[queen laurel]

Too valuable?

[arctic talon]

No

They might just be lazy

They don’t have instructions as well

So like

Kind of have to do it by vibes lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah but warhammer ain't no transformer

So better just keep it as that

[arctic talon]

If only

[crystal forum]

i am missing a piece of the puzzle here

why does somebody have the sprues

[arctic talon]

Got leaked somehow

Or it got stolen from a warehouse lol

[crystal forum]

as in somebody stole the physical things?

[arctic talon]

We don’t know

Unlikely it was stolen

[crystal forum]

how do we know it's not 3d printed bait or something

[arctic talon]

Sprue design is GW’s, plastic color is correct + copy right lines up with the AOO wave

If it is a 3d print it’s insanely high effort

[crystal forum]

you can easily color correct an image of resin to look like it's the same as GW plastic

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

It looks plausible so it's prolly real

[arctic talon]

But still, it’s way too much effort to go through

Yeah

[green loom]

And shipping errors like it have happened a few times lol

Like Dante

[arctic talon]

And also the death guard dude

Lol

[green loom]

I think it happened to the Blood Knights too

[crystal forum]

i just find it hard to believe but i'm also very naive

[green loom]

Jay this happens like

Multiple times

A year

Oh right the entire skaven side of the 4th ed AoS box just ended up in someone's lap

[crystal forum]

how does somebody accidentally ship a prototype sprue

[green loom]

The Age of Ruin thing showed up randomly on Facebook marketplace

[arctic talon]

It’s not a prototype sprue

For one

[crystal forum]

oh

[arctic talon]

It’s intended for full production

There’s copy right on the sprue 2023

Lemme find the original image

One moment

[green loom]

If I understand right they just circulate in the same space as the rest and sometimes one box falls into the wrong box

or some shit

[crystal forum]

so the warehouses are just full of unreleased boxes?

that does make sense if they want it shippable as soon as it's announced i guess

[arctic talon]

To an extent yeah

We know GW produces early

https://preview.redd.it/lady-malys-leak-v0-fyss50r82bte1.png?width=3432&format=png&auto=webp&s=efb4c2e6cdbcc4da5bb5cad17908f78970633d2e

[green loom]

A lot of the stuff is done years in advance

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/edit-help-me-identify-this-mini-please-v0-2i6jda3369te1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=692e2f11cdc1f901351f60cb5b46aae5a9c80a10

[green loom]

Crowe was done 2-3 years before he got released

[crystal forum]

but like still is it not weird that you can accidentally receive a probably very different box to what you actually bought

[arctic talon]

Tbh just contact GW support and they’ll send a replacement lol

[crystal forum]

im thinking the opposite

[arctic talon]

GW ironically doesn’t care about leaks if they’re fuck ups on their end

[crystal forum]

like you bought a single commissar model and you get a titan

[arctic talon]

They only care if people steal or are breaking NDA

[arctic talon]

If that somehow happened they’d still send you a commissar lol

I know someone who got the wrong tau tank kit

[crystal forum]

somebody's definitely getting fired though

[arctic talon]

And GW just sent another

[arctic talon]

For a titan yeah

Lol

[crystal forum]

well at least they dont try to take down the leaks

i feel like other scummy companies would try doing that

[arctic talon]

The funniest thing

Was when the dude who got the new Dante

Fully painted it and posted it

GW replied with an image of the studio Dante

Lol

[crystal forum]

ok you convinced me that this is intentional

[arctic talon]

It may be

[green loom]

Yeah like that time some magic cards leaked and they sent the pinkertons to the guy that accidentally got them

[arctic talon]

The only leak in recent history

GW has been angry about was the angron one

Because someone broke NDA

And snapped a photo

They had the most passive aggressive post on warcom ever lol

[crystal forum]

that's a pretty dumb decision on the leaker's part tbh

why risk your job for a fucking angron post

[arctic talon]

Idfk lol

The image wasn’t even that good

Lemme find it

[crystal forum]

lmao

[arctic talon]

But it was enough

[crystal forum]

CIA hidden pin camera type shit

[arctic talon]

Def

Tbh

I miss the really shitty Cuba CIA photos

As leaks

The entire necron half of indomitus

[storm jungle]

the best part is they INSTANTLY posted the mini like a day or few hours later

[arctic talon]

Being leaked in 8e was so funny

[storm jungle]

we need more leaks!!!!

🗣️

[arctic talon]

Curse of valrak

[storm jungle]

down with him

[arctic talon]

He’s controlled/hj

I’m like

99% sure his source is intentionally given info

To leak

[storm jungle]

Yeah he 100% has an inside man, he just makes filler "leaks" amidst real ones so that its prob not too obvious.

[arctic talon]

With how absurdly accurate he’s been for what matters

[storm jungle]

it would make sense why some of his speculation vids are so stupid

[crystal forum]

official previews are a single pixel of the most generic 40k weapon ever

thanks rumour engine

[arctic talon]

Don’t slander rumor engine

Smh

I quite like it

[crystal forum]

i know it's literally meant to create hype but sometimes it's so clearly just looking for anything to post 😭

[arctic talon]

It reminds me of the horrid leaks lol

It gives me nostalgia

Of the Og 9e leak

[crystal forum]

what was it

[arctic talon]

Which was some shitty photo of the primaris dudes shield

Saying new primaris breacher mini

LOL

[crystal forum]

did the community predict primaris

[arctic talon]

Oh

Primaris got leaked

LOL

Back in 7e

Lemme find the original photo

[crystal forum]

what did the community think it was

[arctic talon]

Fake

Lol

But they did like them

Ironically

The old Mortarion leak

Was also crazy

[storm jungle]

Lmao

being able ot see the entire mini process is actually crazy

[arctic talon]

Like wtf do you mean this got leaked lol

Leaks aren’t made like they used to be smh

[storm jungle]

We have fallen as a society

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah the AoS 2e stormcast leaks

Lol

“Primaris stormcast”

And “long orcs”

What a weird ass leak that sounds utterly deranged lol

[late osprey]

DUDE LONG ORCS LMAO

i remember people freaking out about that so hard

[arctic talon]

it was so fucking funny because

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

[plush mason]

i was about to say, doesnt making these things so far in advance increase the risk of leaks?

[late osprey]

yeah they should be thin orcs

but they kept calling them long orcs

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s kind of hilarious lol

They did have long range by orc standards

[late osprey]

frankly, i kinda prefer the new orc style, the "long orc" if you will

[arctic talon]

But also LONG ORC lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah all it takes is literally 1 employee being a meme and leaking a picture from the studios lol

[arctic talon]

Also the specification they weren’t primaris ironjawz

Lol

[storm jungle]

I assume like

they prob dont allow phones because of that in some areas of the building prob

but of course people would still hide it or some shit for leaks

but beats me, its funny either way

https://tenor.com/view/leaking-water-leaking-flex-tape-fixing-leak-water-leak-fix-gif-12150979

[arctic talon]

I want a leak for 40k

That just says like

[plush mason]

you would think they would shorten the time

[arctic talon]

Long Eldar

Lol

[arctic talon]

Their production is the ultimate bottleneck

[late osprey]

all leaks are permitted and planned by corporate because they have guards that can legally shoot you for leaking on the premises

[storm jungle]

thats the thing they just kinda cant

[late osprey]

sorta like a valve situation

[storm jungle]

theres so many products in the pipeline

[late osprey]

SHORT ELDAR

[storm jungle]

and like pre-planning

[arctic talon]

GW is sorta fucked lol

Yeah

[late osprey]

it's just drukhari

[plush mason]

makes sense

[arctic talon]

Their production pipeline is

rough

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The new factory should make it

Less awful

[storm jungle]

remember we get miniature reveals like almost monthly

sometimes 1-2 weekly

imagine those in a schedule from like two years ago on a waitlist, theres tons

[arctic talon]

What other game systems gets this sort of treatment lol

It’s kind of insane

[late osprey]

depends on how they'll allocate it

[arctic talon]

This is true

But the new factory they’re building is for plastic meth

Not a paint one

[late osprey]

IDEALLY you'd want each factory to focus on a specific product

so like AoS or 40k or whatever

[plush mason]

"the administorim is just a spoof of GW's internal bureaucracy"

[late osprey]

but if they're integrating the new factory they'll probably half to do some like

weird mixture crap

[storm jungle]

GW cannot trust miniature production to also asian kid slave labor

so new factories are always welcome

[late osprey]

where each factory is producing a rainbow of things

[arctic talon]

GW is pretty ethical when it comes to like

Their labor lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao I know

[arctic talon]

Now granted

[storm jungle]

no suicide nets

yet

[arctic talon]

I would love the joke images of like

[late osprey]

is it ethical or is it UK corporate laws

[arctic talon]

12 year olds working plastic moulds

[arctic talon]

I mean they gave a huge like over 1000$ bonus to all their employees during Covid

[plush mason]

the later because thats why the laws exist

[arctic talon]

So I’d say they’re nice by corporate standards

Also yeah UK laws

[late osprey]

i mean specifically the whole outsourcing to sweatshops thing

[arctic talon]

Ensure GW can’t like

[arctic talon]

Oh they could

[late osprey]

like is that something UK prevents

[arctic talon]

They just won’t

[late osprey]

oh interesting

[arctic talon]

Nah

[storm jungle]

^

Yeah like

corporations are not human beings

they will always fuck people over

no matter the industry

[arctic talon]

GW makes the conscious choice

To not like

Use 12 year olds

Lol

[late osprey]

no of course not, that's what i thought it might be laws restricting them

[languid meadow]

be evil

[late osprey]

otherwise they're more like a mold

that just grows wherever they're allowed

[arctic talon]

They could be way more evil

[storm jungle]

remember ex-GW employees got a ton of complaints, they just do a good job as a company of remaining squeaky clean

[late osprey]

they being corporations

[arctic talon]

If they wanted to

[storm jungle]

remember like, even "minor" incidents like

letting an entire game range

be sold out to scalpers

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

and not saying anything for a year

then going

[arctic talon]

Money money money

[storm jungle]

"HEY ITS BACK"

fucking Cursed City man

[arctic talon]

God

Cursed city

[late osprey]

also europe is generally more controlling on corporations than the US

[storm jungle]

fuck GW on that

god

[plush mason]

so they are the opposite of google who took down the "dont be evil" sign in their HQ and shot the guy that made it

[late osprey]

but idk if the UK can even be considered european legally/politically these days

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why the dubious shit they do is more uhhh whats the word

"legal" seeming I guess

[arctic talon]

They’re still evil, just not as evil tbh

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

That’s what I’d state GW as

As far as big companies go

[storm jungle]

Yeah GW is a smart company

[arctic talon]

They’re by far the one I feel the least bad

About buying stuff from

[storm jungle]

smart enough to take down the aquila infront of their office because they know it makes them look like a nazi building

among uh other mini related stuff

[arctic talon]

The taxi drivers were calling it the facist building

LOL

[storm jungle]

YEP

[arctic talon]

That’s why they took it down

[storm jungle]

the aquila is an inherently fascist symbol

so i get it

[arctic talon]

The place with the facist symbol

[late osprey]

they shouldve put up the stormcast logo thunderbolts, that'll definitely look better

[arctic talon]

Yeah sure

They make plastic

[storm jungle]

its why they invented this logo

a warhammer, much better lol

[arctic talon]

Mfw Nottingham had a tourist destination nicknamed the facist building

[storm jungle]

before that it was always an aquila on most things

[arctic talon]

I’m sure the city council didn’t like that

Lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah it prob got taken down for a lot of reasons lol

same with the new logo invention

[arctic talon]

They still have the aquilla up is the funniest thing

[storm jungle]

im 99% sure that boxhammer came around like 8th edition

[arctic talon]

It’s just

Not on the front

[storm jungle]

LMAO yaeh

[arctic talon]

GW hammer was a mid 7e thing

Randomly lol

[storm jungle]

it legit looks like WW2 Reichstag otherwise

[plush mason]

im just imaging someone going and spray painting a globe under it

[languid meadow]

The evil looming party HQ

[storm jungle]

the grey color doesnt help

looks lifeless af

then again checks out for corpos

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The building looks evil

LOL

They should have made it white

[plush mason]

atleast its not gold

[storm jungle]

too many flat/sharp shapes

[arctic talon]

Like the original GW store tbh

Then again

The color white in British weather

Maybe not lol

[plush mason]

foggy and rainy?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lots of dirty rain

Would def stain the paint in a noticeable way

[plush mason]

oh true

[arctic talon]

Ngl I dislike the new logo for heresy and 40k lol

They’re so flat

[storm jungle]

isnt it just the eye of horus?

i forgot

yeah here

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s

Very boring

AoS and Old world still have interesting looking logos

They sucked all the interestingness out of the 40k logo

Also

The A isn’t centered

[languid meadow]

Chaos representation in my logo? not in my 40k

[late osprey]

Can't believe the Wokesters took away our eagle logo.

[hallow saddle]

he for sure has at least one source inside the warhammer studio

[arctic talon]

The old logo didn’t have an Eagle

It was like

Oh wtf it did

Nvm lol

[late osprey]

i mean thats the aquila right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The new one also does

But it’s weird looking

[late osprey]

Can't believe the Wokesters took our slightly-more-defined eagle.

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1363244915177554111/fvw56750orve1.jpeg?ex=68055443&is=680402c3&hm=38419a5ada9b5ead1a0a964c6c08ac8d8f9a5b68bf30549c9ddd298bc15225dd&

Bro got smote

[celest dome]

||Nagasaki Circa August 1945||

[sly ivy]

Rip

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/thunderbolts-thunderbolts-marvel-thunderbolts-sentry-sentry-marvel-void-marvel-gif-10809741654256285358

[arctic talon]

Real

[median star]

so do higher tier like scion or elysian helmets have displays built into them or

[storm jungle]

You mean like a HUD?

[median star]

yea

[rocky gale]

Yep

[storm jungle]

Yea they do

[rocky gale]

Scions also have data slates on their arms that is used to send tactical info to other units, recieve orders, check their vitals etc etc

[crystal forum]

you're telling me that the 40k community creates self perpetuating cycles of bitching about stuff that really doesn't matter? no way man

new stuff comes out -> it's not old stuff -> new stuff is bad

[dapper gyro]

About every scion level troops have something like that.

Hence they always depicted with visors.

For Catachan though, they have implants.

[rocky gale]

New stuff doesn't come out -> GW have abandoned us

[crystal forum]

every non imperium fan

[median star]

if say scions are deployed along side other regiments and the scion dies are the other regiments allowed to take and use their equipment

[crystal forum]

depends (classic answer)

[rocky gale]

Wait I can get you a Space Marine fan version

New space marine doesn't come out this month -> GW have abandoned us

[storm jungle]

No lol

[crystal forum]

some penal legions basically have their entire kit made out of "scavenged" gear while other regiments will get executed for not having their standard issued lasgun with them

[storm jungle]

Scions are literally special forces

its like if you saw some SAS commando die infront of you and you nicked their patch or gasmask

[spare osprey]

listen some of us have reason to be upset alr

[storm jungle]

people would look at you and go "the fucks the matter with you"

or well in this case you'd prob get shot

lol

[crystal forum]

what dilara said also

but again it depends on how scummy the regiment is

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/thunderbolts-thunderbolts-marvel-thunderbolts-sentry-sentry-marvel-void-marvel-gif-10809741654256285358

[storm jungle]

Yeah the issue is Scions are either in the thickest bits of fighting (so you'll never even get to that gear) or the warzone is so hellish and they die next to you then you might get it but will get possibly reprimanded and have it taken from you afterwards.

[rocky gale]

My honest reaction

[median star]

well like are they just gonna mail back all the scions salvageable gear back to whoevers incharge or hows that work

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[crystal forum]

imagine a cadian shock trooper picks up a kasrkin helgun

[dapper gyro]

Not sure about tempestus scion, but other higher equipment are known to be salvaged from the field.

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-throwing-trash-can-at-someone-gif-19450291

[crystal forum]

straight execution

[storm jungle]

They'd just add them to some specially marked crate or whatever and send em back to scion fortresses

[arctic talon]

Scions have their own command structure

[crystal forum]

that's like half the job of the munitorum

[arctic talon]

Tbh the hotshots might be kept

[dapper gyro]

Like in Darktide, the Cadian carapace is said to be stolen or salvaged from the field.

[arctic talon]

But the rest of the kit goes back

[crystal forum]

we even see it in game when they get everything from the battlefield

[arctic talon]

Well kasrkin get actual armor issued

[crystal forum]

that's basically what happens after every battle if possible

[arctic talon]

The set we have in Darktide is sussy lol

[crystal forum]

also we are inquisition agents so we have a lot less questions asked

[median star]

so helmet and carapace is off limits unless youre like a chemdog but guns might maybe be taken

[storm jungle]

I mean no

you'll prob get shot as a chemdog too

[crystal forum]

also the premium store bitch did not acquire the gear legally

[storm jungle]

their short story literally covers this

a commissar sees them looting

and goes "you fucking useless scum"

lmao

even executes one

the others get whipping

[crystal forum]

if nobody notices you pick up something then you're fine. if you wear stuff proudly like that a commissar will notice

[dapper gyro]

Depending on the scion regiment as well, some of them wear armour that look like normal armour, unlike the poster boy scions.

Those can be "tactically acquired".

[crystal forum]

also it's pretty much commonly said that every guardsman loots something eventually

like an extra laspack or ration

it's really just a question of who will notice

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/2e/62nd_Rhoin_Cobras.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160826050821

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

its the same as IRL military really

because looting is a pretty common problem

[crystal forum]

that's the inspiration yeah. soldiers cannot be trusted to not break or steal something lol

[dapper gyro]

Like that guy, the armour is pretty much a normal set of carapace. If it is not for the identity of the wearer, who knows if it is belong to a tempestus scion.

[median star]

commissar dukane casually chilling watching a reject shuffle by in a scion helmet and elysian chest plate

[storm jungle]

Canonically we all wear Inquisition gear

you can see it in the cutscenes

its only the more eccentric warband members that sometimes get described in the store pages who go wild

[median star]

also is elysian stuff carapace or flak

[crystal forum]

flak for the most part

they're not elite troops which yes is weird

but there's art of carapace equipped elysians

[dapper gyro]

Yes, I mean the lore of the person with that set, not the player's reject.

[arctic talon]

Flak

Divison-99 had carapace

[crystal forum]

wolf going to quote tabletop

[storm jungle]

He got our asses

[arctic talon]

I’d assume other more elite groups had carapace

[storm jungle]

smh

[crystal forum]

they had way too much custom tabletop models for such a lacking lore regiment

which tbh is fire

[arctic talon]

Blame forgeworld

[crystal forum]

their jeep was so cool

[arctic talon]

Someone hyper fixated on them lol

[crystal forum]

i think their car is in munda now

[arctic talon]

Fucking Division 99 was the most deranged thing ever

Like wtf do you mean

You made minis for one specific division

Of a guardsmen regiment

?????

And then you end their stuff with also they all died

[storm jungle]

also remember they were literally gene-enhanced nutjobs

[crystal forum]

even cadians dont have that

[arctic talon]

And got eaten by nids

Lol

[arctic talon]

Cadians did

They got I forgot what

But an HEV division

They got a command squad + upgrade sprue + special terrain piece lol

[crystal forum]

they have a famous group but i dont think it has models except for characters

[arctic talon]

Not famous sorry

But FW did have a weird hyper specific cadian thing

[crystal forum]

it's pretty cool all things considered

it's a shame that only krieg survived

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally just handpicked elysians by Lok

[crystal forum]

somebody at FW must have really loved the idea of paratroopers

[median star]

is their any regiment that has the same cybernetics obsession on par with iron hands

[arctic talon]

Nah

Vostroyans like the mechanicus and the omnissiah

[crystal forum]

isn't there a forge world regiment that almost looks like skitari

[arctic talon]

But they don’t have the cybernetics stuff going on

[crystal forum]

and by forge world i mean the planet type

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

There is

but like

[arctic talon]

Well

[storm jungle]

its some no-name 5 sentence regiment

[arctic talon]

Crimson Guard aren’t guardsmen lol

They’re skitarii by modern definitions

[storm jungle]

I came across them on a trip on the lexicanu mguard regiment page

but uh

no offense

[crystal forum]

there's a whole sheet of those lol

[storm jungle]

im not gonna go find them again

[median star]

killing myself

[storm jungle]

YEP lmao

[storm jungle]

welcome to 40k

[arctic talon]

They sent guardsmen regiments from forgeworlds to the retconian

[storm jungle]

[median star]

bring me back as a microwave

[arctic talon]

No

[crystal forum]

you can make one yourself!

you're pretty much forced to anyways

[arctic talon]

Yeah nothing is stopping you

[crystal forum]

if it's not cadian, krieg or catachan it has to be home brewed

the reason i love guard is because it allows even more flexibility than space marines