40k-lore-chat

[summer mural]

my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-grey-knights-chaos-gate-kicking-door-in-gif-8759459760838327390

also, this game has the best rendition of officio assassins ive ever seen

so far

[tough haven]

Why does peak have to be wrapped up in mid

[summer mural]

lmao

[tough haven]

Seriously I cannot express how tired I am of Space marines, for a faction that has 1000-10,000 times less members than most factions, they sure are fucking everywhere

And even though it’s grey knights which is kinda unique, I feel like they’re usually pretty bland

[raven stone]

Issue is, GW both accidentally and intentionally made them the brand poster boys

[tough haven]

No I fully understand

[summer mural]

xenos do get shafted a lot ngl

and not in the nice slaanesh way

[tough haven]

It’s just so saturated I can’t bring myself to find much to like about them

[summer mural]

there's no reason you cant have a game playing as craftworld elves

fighting greenskins or tyranids etc

also, mechanicus 2 is on the way I guess

[tough haven]

“Yeah these guys are so few that losing 4 guys without getting their mega balls is devastating, but yes you will be seeing 6 different types of them in any given moment in any given setting”

[tough haven]

I NEED IT INJECTED INTO MY VEINS

[tough haven]

That’s just the thing, I don’t mind imperial factions, even though I like xenos more, if most Space marine games were just converted to any other imperial faction, I’d enjoy them more, cause it’s effectively the same thing

[raven stone]

I mean, half I blame GW "having a cake and want to eat it" (you don't write the lore to make a faction rare things if you expect to sell many minis), but the other half I blame a certain segment if the fan base.

You know, the crazier part that needs to see MASCULINITY MAX in everything.

[tough haven]

Like chaosgate’s gameplay with like navis would be awesome, or guardsman, or arbites

[tough haven]

Yeah…

[tough haven]

Yeah like in my settings, I make marines actually scarce, where seeing one is actually like seeing an Angel for the average man

To make their prowress feel even more potent

And when they do show up, it’s even more of a “oh shit, they brought out the big guns”

[summer mural]

chaosgate 2 please gw approve thanks

also id really enjoy battlefleet gothic, but like, i really dont like how the ships dont have vertical axes

for combat

i guess its from tabletop restrictions, but I want my space ships to be able to go up and down

[south gorge]

So apparently 40k has tressyms.

thanks for the info heinrik glad you boiled the little fuck alive 👍

[acoustic meteor]

If the grey knights ever show up for some reason, wouldn't all of the rejects be executed?

[storm jungle]

Depends on if they see them in person or not

but we are also a part of Ordo Hereticus so probably not.

most people in the Inquisition are somewhat aware of their existence

[summer mural]

tbh

if the grey knights show up, theres probably enough going on that they arent gonna be strolling around the ship executing people

[storm jungle]

^

We are the Inquisition so we'd prob get off light.

most you'd get is a mindwipe

since we actively deal with the paranormal

[hexed orchid]

I think the grey knights are less inclined to just murder everyone who sees them now

[storm jungle]

Nah they still do it.

[hexed orchid]

Theres also existing lore of them not doing that lol

[storm jungle]

It just depends on the size of the daemonic incursion.

their 9th edition also confirms they still execute witnesses

[hexed orchid]

Most consistent 40k lore

Get the space wolves involved again, they couldn't handle the plot armour

[storm jungle]

Considering the new Warzone Armageddon thing thats already happening

[queen laurel]

Most peaceful day in Armageddon

honestly at this point the planet is more arena than a planet

[tough haven]

I don’t think my brain could handle that

[tough haven]

Good

[summer mural]

nah, you got it

the flat surface gothic gameplay is really easy

and of course, some ships are gonna be terrible at some kinds of movement, including up and down

[tough haven]

So when the Mechanicus go to war, do they play audible battle chants or tech hymns on vox frequencies? Or is it all over noospheric link?

[raven stone]

Probably a mix of both

Just depends on how the particular fleet operates

(Or maybe, just maybe, tactical needs 😅 )

[summer mural]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

lvadfmvadpnva

aaight, ive vented.

[wintry scarab]

This is a new chest piece coming to SM2. Please someone else tell me that it looks terrible. Like literally having a single skull on the front would look good. Bland, but good. The three skulls just look so god damn odd. Literally looks like a modder did it for their mod.

or better yet, just not having anything would be better

[hallow plover]

It'll go great with my wolf helm

[wintry scarab]

The fact that there are some people that think that this

looks better than this is mad

[spring cairn]

stop posting the wolf helmet

i'm nearing my limit

[raven stone]

It adds character at least

[rose thorn]

Smh forgot to include the 4+ space marine factions

[raven stone]

Maybe GW is trying to goof up the Marines a bit more nowadays so certain people stop taking then seriously

[dapper gyro]

The single skull like on default phobos is simple yet good looking. That one is a little over decorated.

And yes, stop posting furry helmet.

[vagrant fox]

Some of the stuff coming out of that one big mod just straight up looks better

[raven stone]

I can tell whoever made that liked Sam Fisher 🤣

[spring cairn]

if eternal wasn't banned he'd be happy as the sole iron hand fan, worldwide

[rose thorn]

“This is the perfect place to put the space wolves

[summer mural]

thats sam "space marine" fisher

[vagrant fox]

It's a little too tacticool for me but it works

[storm jungle]

One of the most mid rewards ever

up there with the 🅱️eta helmet

[wintry scarab]

Beta helmet?

[dapper gyro]

The furry helmet she means.

[vagrant fox]

Better not mean with the darktide one with the big beta logo on your forehead

because it's very cool

[wintry scarab]

The one for the vet with the balaclava is very cool. Me like.

[storm jungle]

Nah

[spring cairn]

darktide's

[storm jungle]

^

The beta helmet I can atleast have some nostalgia towards since its almost a memorial item

this is just... yeah lol

[rose thorn]

To be fair these legion sets are free money

[spring cairn]

the one that only exists to tell you about how much the wearer sucks at the game

[rose thorn]

How long til they start releasing chaos ones

[spring cairn]

never

[vagrant fox]

every time I wear the beta helmet I quote this comic at my friends

they love it

[dapper gyro]

You people...

[wintry scarab]

The beta helmet at least had a custom beta graphic made for it. This SM2 thing is literally just the same pre-existing asset duplicated. They literally put in more effort just for the thing to look worse.

[storm jungle]

as ever I keep telling people, SM2 stinky

[rose thorn]

What

[vagrant fox]

It's okay, but I spent three hours yesterday ranting at my friend while playing it that it should just be better

[wintry scarab]

I like SM2 😦

[vagrant fox]

That's fine, it's a decent game

[wintry scarab]

But they are making some decisions that are making me sad

[vagrant fox]

The way the combat has been implemented just really takes me out of it

[wintry scarab]

I quite like the combat. Super simple, turn off youre brain typa beat. Its just this new update has systems that kinda really suck and replayability is lacking.

[queen laurel]

it's like the old system but more funky

no execution on health is a very weird thing, because it's literally and was the main sticking point of the melee point for combat in the old one

[storm jungle]

Its just straight up bad imo.

I hate copers who just go "its a skill issue you just suck at it"

no, its a bad system lol

[vagrant fox]

I did all of the missions solo when 5th(?) was the highest difficulty and it's just parry shoot swing swing repeat and keep positioning in mind

[storm jungle]

Its also like straight up unfair without any fun imo.

[vagrant fox]

I didn't touch my guns once because they did no damage

[storm jungle]

Its literally just hiding

and shooting and hiding

its not even fun, its just nervewrackingly obnoxious

[queen laurel]

Yeah I feel like it's a type of system where if you get absolutely shredded by the horde just getting armor from executions isn't gonna help you

[storm jungle]

Hey you dont get shredded

[queen laurel]

that's what makes the first one flow so well

[storm jungle]

you got armor slots

(which get destroyed in 1s)

thanks Sabre, very useful

[vagrant fox]

Tzangoors are just genuinely annoying to fight as well, especially the little flying shitheads

[queen laurel]

the regenerating shield was decent defense but if you execute like well you can basically keep yourself alive

in a swarm

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

[queen laurel]

please tell me you can actually one shot them in the head

[vagrant fox]

Not on the difficulty I was playing at

They move too much anyways

[queen laurel]

For mob enemies they are unusually tough I heard

tough and fast

[storm jungle]

They were actually even worse.

they got nerfed a few months in from how annoying they were

[vagrant fox]

They're not the worst when you're used to them now but they're very tough still

Nevermind the old dustboys with the flamers who just annihilated you in seconds

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

I straight up avoid fighting TSons

they are so annoying to fight against

[wintry scarab]

I like the tzangor floaty ones. Terminators on the other hand are literally one of the worst enemy designs ive ever seen. The missile barrage they do is the most stupid, unfair attack i have ever seen.

[queen laurel]

so they're like the beastmen equivalent no one likes fighting

[storm jungle]

I mean no its even worse

you put high damage ranged tanky enemies in a game thats generally about getting into the thick of it with melee combat

lol

[vagrant fox]

It's very fun to just roll for about a half minute straight or hide behind cover

you feel like a space marine

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-roll-confuse-gif-11695636

This is legit half the game

at least for classes that can roll

if you stand-dodge you are shit out of luck

[vagrant fox]

At the end of the day, I don't feel like a space marine and the tyranids feel like chumps for me

[storm jungle]

Ironically nids are what I like to fight the most

(until you get 6 Warrior spam)

[rose thorn]

huh
!??

[wintry scarab]

And then you have those whip warriors that just ignore your block/parry. Very fun.

[queen laurel]

the average bulwark gameplay meanwhile

[storm jungle]

Some stand-dodge before they go into a roll

[storm jungle]

Its just so obnoxious

[rose thorn]

Let me get the thing

[storm jungle]

I hate how half the playerbase just always goes:

"its a skill issue"

no its you being a dipshit

lol

[vagrant fox]

Yesterday one whipped me into a stun, then two more showed up and I was just kind of stuck there until I died

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

Verrrry cool

[storm jungle]

Warriors are so fucking bullshit

lmao

like

you can tell they did not program to work "fair" in a group combat scenario

they just have fun while assbanging you

[crisp heath]

Certified dipshit confirming this point

[vagrant fox]

On one hand, that's how 'nids should do it, but it's also not fun gameplay

[crisp heath]

110 percent

[storm jungle]

Yeah that.

[rose thorn]

Can’t find the gif of doing a backfilp in Dawn of war 3

[storm jungle]

Like in games like Darktide, Vermintide or Left 4 Dead the AI knowingly gives you breathing room and makes usually the enemies you are facing attack you.

And when they are striking you from the back you uh

you know

get a sound cue

not a fucking silent sword swing

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[vagrant fox]

Ah well, at least I can have fun as long as I stick to tier 4 difficulty at most and play with friends

I just wish it was better

[storm jungle]

The playerbase is very divided so its never getting changed anyway.

[wintry scarab]

On the other hand, you have things like the animation work in SM2. (NOT THE CUTSCENES! THOSE FUCKING SUCK LOL) Stuff like the executions and movement are amazingly animated.

[dapper gyro]

But it is 3rd person, you should be able to see it coming from behind.

Joke

[storm jungle]

They are but even those get boring

if I have to see

[summer mural]

cutscenes not good in sm2? havent played it yet

[storm jungle]

one more execution

where I stomp a tyranid's toe

and stab them with their claw

im gonna lose my mind

[dapper gyro]

The animation does take way too much time.

[vagrant fox]

Executing the flying tzangoors is genuinely funny, stomping their shield so they fly up and you punch them back down is artisinal

[storm jungle]

Those are at least exotic yeah

I fucking hate the tyranid footstomp one

[dapper gyro]

Doom does it quick and sweep.

[storm jungle]

its so repetitive

[storm jungle]

its long enough imo, the only bad one imo is the Boss ones

a carnifex takes 22 seconds to execute

I love how when a player starts doing it

the other 2 players just leave

because its just so boring to watch

lmao

[dapper gyro]

It reminds me of the PS4 GOW.

[wintry scarab]

Nah, i can see how they would, but for me, i could watch them all day. Most of them at least. Executing husks of armour tends to get quite unsatisfying lol.

[vagrant fox]

The only one I'm genuinely bored of is the carnifex one, it's so long and there's just the one

[storm jungle]

Yah it can get boring. The footstomp is just way too much for me, its almost every single warrior execution.

[wintry scarab]

That new doom not having those animations makes me 😦

[dapper gyro]

All of the Ogres used the same animation.

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1323748778859172012/Untitled_Project_V1.mp4?ex=68020c5e&is=6800bade&hm=f63407f6e22657266533cfb41f6291b8a002deec2748495dbc6ac2ec93ec33b1&

Again 22 seconds.

Like I said by the time you are 10s the other 2 players have moved on the level already.

[dapper gyro]

Likewise

[wintry scarab]

In defence of SM2, you can just kill it by shooting it.

[vagrant fox]

Good god man shooting a little cuck tyranid when it's in its ready to be executed flashing mode can get ridiculous

[dapper gyro]

The ones vs the TS are quite long for my taste.

[vagrant fox]

Emptying a whole magazine into a termagant because it's ready to be executed

[dapper gyro]

2 seconds should be the max for normal enemies imo, SM2 is not exactly a slow game.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but whenever I want to someone hops on it

not too sigma

[summer mural]

its amazing to me HP Lovecraft has become a pillar of gaming of all things, there's a steam sale themed around lovecraftian horror on rn

the man wrote a bunch of horror stories about eldritch horror and unknownable ancient entities/forbidden knowledge and now every third videogame developer is like " Let's make a lovecraftian game"

[vagrant fox]

They're all little august derleths of their own

Pretty tempted to get the Rogue Trader season pass thingy, I haven't tried the new expansion

[wintry scarab]

Well yeah, but then its them trapped in the 20+ sec animation, not you

Also, to the people that have or still play SM2, how many of you customize your marines to be lore accurate? Ive been slowly finding out that im like the only one who has to have my customization be at least 90% lore accurate otherwise i wont use it.

[storm jungle]

Still doesnt stop it from being annoying when im getting mulched and this mfer has to straddle-rodeo a carnifex 💀

[crisp heath]

I try to stay accurate

It's hard tho

[forest orbit]

Also costly.

[crisp heath]

All the good options are relic level Armour imo

[forest orbit]

Im glad Templars got a basic scheme, I aint working my ass off to grind all those stupid points

[crisp heath]

I like templars because I can do red as trim or whatever I feel like

[vagrant fox]

At this point, I'm just doing Deathwatch

[crisp heath]

They don't have limits on that

Even white trim

Or gold

Something about being able to equip which ever gear they like iirc

Deathwatch is very neato

I like how we got options to do deathwatch

The customization is pretty good

[wintry scarab]

Its good, but its also super scuffed

[crisp heath]

Yeah but hey I'll take what i can get

I want more warhammer games

[wintry scarab]

Yeah. Cough, cough. Darktide. Im still salty.

[crisp heath]

Hey to be fair dt is really good compared

The gameplay is just levels above

So in depth

Thank you straw hat

Especially for ogryn update

You have my soul if you add rot Flys Mrs strawhat

[vagrant fox]

In a different world, it'd be interesting to see Fatshark make a space marine game, but I really just want an in depth Deathwatch custom character type game

[wintry scarab]

I mean yeah. Darktide is a house made of gold, but a few of the bricks are made of shit. One of those bricks is customization and MTX

[crisp heath]

That is true, some more controller presets and button customization would be amazing but im happy w what i get given

[tall plinth]

I try to, but since I’m a white scars fan it’s the cosmetic option for showing squad just isn’t there, and all but the 10th company (plain white) is impossible as well

[storm jungle]

The problem is customisation was never really promised or advertised and its not really a selling point for an Inquisition based game compared to Space Marines who are all about "your dudes."

and the MTX is fair when literally every single update/part of the game is free.

[crisp heath]

Yeah dt is pc master race tbh

[storm jungle]

Like people complaining about Hallowette's shop I dont think really got any idea how bad it could be tbh.

[crisp heath]

Playing on xbox is like only embracing 60% of the setting

I'd really like mods

[storm jungle]

I got no idea how anyone could play a horde-shooter game on consoles

same with stuff like L4D

[crisp heath]

It ain't easy

[vagrant fox]

Darktide has its flaws with its customization, but take a look at Apex' prices to see just how bad it could be

[storm jungle]

you need way faster reflexes only a mouse and pad can give

[crisp heath]

I play ogryn and vet for this exact reason lmao

[storm jungle]

Not even Apex

[vagrant fox]

or the prices in war thunder

[storm jungle]

look at someting like Killing Floor 2

advertisements everywhere

2 dollar packs

5 dollar packs

10 dollar packs

20 dollar skinpacks

like holy shit enough already

[crisp heath]

I like how dt doesn't do that though

[vagrant fox]

War Thunder sells digital planes for $90 it's ridiculous

[storm jungle]

It only does it on like the launcher which you can basically entirely miss, and hallowette is way on the corner of the ship

[crisp heath]

U can choose to pay money for cosmetics but its not shoved down your throar

[queen laurel]

Yeah and she also apparently sounds annoying so to deter players from buying

[storm jungle]

but basically yeah, its why I always found the MTX complaints needless, okay the shop usually sucks, just dont buy it like most of us do.

[crisp heath]

I dont have the moneys for the shop so I dont even look

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt complain as much if people said it sucks then a vostroyan pack drops and everyone turns around and starts buying en-masse lol

[crisp heath]

I just play

[wintry scarab]

I could go on arguing about this forever but i wont. But i will say, customization was something they did harp about. I remember they would show off their customization and talk about how much verity you would get with their systems.

[vagrant fox]

I haven't bought anything of the vostroyan drop except the face paper

I'm not sure the paper was even that rotation

[queen laurel]

I think people always expect games to be like these two games okay

Deep rock galactic and marvel rivals

One game you pay for to download but you can get a lot of things in it that are already in the game for free and no issues like none at all

On the one hand you have marvel rivals which is free but it's micro transactions are by all things considered decently fair and not the worst you have a variety of ways of obtaining the things you pay for and you can replay the battle pass if you pay for it

[crisp heath]

Nothing to do w the topic but has Anyone tried ketamine therapy

[storm jungle]

Theres nothing to argue about, its up to the people on how they want to spent their money and thats the reality of it. If gamers werent like this we wouldnt have need for MTX or cosmetic shops but its been a fact since games like Team Fortress 2 and much more predatory games onwards, DT's way of doing it is way at the bottom of the barrel.

[crisp heath]

I'm really tempted to try it

[storm jungle]

Its the same reason games like COD can get away makign slop skinpack after slop skinpack.

People buy them, its just an echo-chamber.

[queen laurel]

People always expect every game to be like just like marvel rivals or deep rock galactic

Always hoping they are fair something

[storm jungle]

Its the same with games like Helldivers 2, literally nobody ever spends time to go find super-credits, they always buy it from the ship lol

[vagrant fox]

I do like how Helldivers does it, in part, where the bonds are there forever when they're released

[storm jungle]

Yeah the only MTX is the 3 page thing

[vagrant fox]

nuh-uh I spent 8 hours yesterday farming super credits

[crisp heath]

I really wanna play HD

Like so baddddd

[vagrant fox]

not yesterday, the day before yesterday

[queen laurel]

I think people always expecting an mt x shop of that quality on every game they play is like

Not a good idea really

[wintry scarab]

The fact that this is a massive topic, proves that there is a lot to argue about

[storm jungle]

I mean no.

At the end of the day people are people.

And will always buy these things.

[vagrant fox]

Either way, Darktides mtx shop has a few issues but it's far from the worst. I would like the Destiny 2 thing where every option is just listed, without the prices tho

[storm jungle]

Its bad sure, but you arent gonna stop them.

And it will keep turning.

[crisp heath]

Majority of people don't really buy cosmetics

[storm jungle]

It just boils down to "capitalism bad"

[crisp heath]

It's the people that play alot

[queen laurel]

People be saying the price will be garbage then spend money on it anyway

[storm jungle]

People only ever protest when its like

abysmally done MTX

[queen laurel]

Like i just know someone will spend their payment check for mario cart

The new one by the way

[storm jungle]

then go straight back to buying said product.

[crisp heath]

And then go and complain about said product hey

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

Do we know if the new EU guidelines are going to affect the mtx shop in Darktide?

[storm jungle]

then go and spend money on some other game

[crisp heath]

Bla bla bla , well why did you spend the money then

[storm jungle]

essentially letting the system just win lol

[storm jungle]

Very likely. But I doubt it will do much.

companies always adapt to these things

so it kinda becomes meaningless

[queen laurel]

Yeah just like wi-fi companies looking for ways to increase their prices games will find a way to keep their source of money

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[crisp heath]

Bloody wifi company's only giving me 210 gigs a month

[vagrant fox]

It is what it is, I'm interested in the right of withdrawal should be respected part

Can I just be like hey I don't want this penis cloth from 8 months back anymore?

[crisp heath]

U don't know pain untill you have to ration out your gaming and streaming

[celest dome]

Probably, mostly showing the real money price on cosmetics

[vagrant fox]

Most likely, yeah

[crisp heath]

I didn't realise Stephen king the stand 1994 has been redone multiple times

Been watching it lately the old series

V funny

Starting to go into the
Dreams to do w the old lady and the shadow guy

[tough haven]

Like could you imagine the whole maniple blaring “Noosphere” through vox hailers while fighting you in perfect lockstep? Shit would be terrifying

[crisp heath]

Noosphere??

Color me confused

[vagrant fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpV7MpqMLv4

what a bop

I should replay that Space Hulk game from a few years ago, they put a lot of detail into the levels

[tough haven]

The above song

[crisp heath]

Ahhh

[tough haven]

It just sounds like war chants/prayers they would be playing over vox frequencies while emotionlessly slaughtering their enemies

[tough haven]

Give it a listen it’s very good

[outer wave]

Tbf people here do complain about the clipping and such of some of the cosmetics, though I havent seen it as much as of late

[crisp heath]

Warhammer always gets the vibe kinda music on point I gotta say

[crisp heath]

Felt like i was ordering a tithe listening to this

[raven stone]

Warhammer (40k) music is...well, oddly enough, hard to get too wrong.
Stick with a lot of Latin choirs, oboe and drums...
And you are pretty much settled.

[crisp heath]

Get some gregorian chants going and your cooking

[summer mural]

whats the best baseline for nvidia cards to get now

2000 series?

like the minimum best baseline

because Im pretty sure 2000-below is kinda done

[vagrant fox]

Depends on what you want to do, a 2070s is more than likely still good. My 3060 still runs most things on high/ultra graphics settings

[hexed orchid]

Depends on your budget really, what price range are you looking at?

[summer mural]

Im looking at 2070

i got budget to get a better one, but Im not interested in playing anything at launch either

if 2070 can handle games on high not ultra in the last lets say 3 years? then Im good

[hexed orchid]

2070 would be towards the bottom of performance for a few modern titles honestly. A lot of the triple a stuff is getting quite taxing

[summer mural]

hmm

lets see

can 2070 run say cyberpunk on high

[vagrant fox]

Games feel pretty unoptimised these days

[summer mural]

provided you have a good processor of course

and yeah, in the last few years ive completely lost interest on playing games on launch, i do the almost opposite comfortably now, I just buy em with all dlc and updates done

[vagrant fox]

What I'm reading, a 2070 can run Cyberpunk at high + balanced DLSS at ~63 fps average at a 3440x1440 resolution

It's probably fine

[hexed orchid]

2060 super recommended for cyberpunk, so maybe?

[summer mural]

thats good, so a 3000 card would really set me right

[vagrant fox]

It'll dip though if you mind that

I'm using a 3060 8 gb and I have no issues

[summer mural]

ima go for 3060 then, its a lil pricier than id like but it should be relatively future proof

relatively

[vagrant fox]

Well, since the 50s series are just fake frames what'll it matter

[summer mural]

I have also always used nvidia right from the beginning, I might consider amd

but because Im not familiar with it I got no clue how to guage their performances

[queen laurel]

recently from what i'm hearing from people yabbering about it it seems to be the more preferred right now

But this news might be outdated so don't take it from me

[vagrant fox]

Apparently Intel is catching up again, I've always just used Nvidia but I'm gonna look elsewhere for my next PC build probably

[queen laurel]

nvidia crashing through multiple buildings was not a good look

they absolutely chalked the 50s series

[vagrant fox]

I really, really don't want AI fake multi-frame generation fps or whatever

[tough haven]

I feel like it’s hard to do right though, like battlefleet gothic 2, did it do the music wrong? No. But it doesn’t do it right either, none of the music feels particularly moving or unique from any other piece in the soundtrack, and just feels very generic, not like mechanicus or rogue trader

[vagrant fox]

I want a card that runs good

[summer mural]

Im also honestly getting a lil sick of the memory requirements on some of these games

150gb?????

dafuq

and its only gonna increase

[queen laurel]

at this point i need to turn into upgrade from ben 10 just to keep up

[summer mural]

30gb patches are like, acceptable now

[queen laurel]

merge with my PC and upgrade it

[vagrant fox]

https://youtu.be/Ini5QS-ba_o?si=XSSf35suSUJAioaR

forever peak warhams music

It's wild that Borderlands 2 went from ~20 GB to Borderlands 3 being over 100 GB somewhere

[hexed orchid]

AMD are generally better value for money if you don't care about ray tracing. Definitely worth a look at this price range.

I've actually made the swap to amd.recently myself

[summer mural]

where do I start in amd cards to get good comparisons

to nvidia

[hexed orchid]

AMD 6000 series are the Nvidia 3000 rivals

[vagrant fox]

https://www.logicalincrements.com/

It's the funniest thing seeing Intel randomly pop up again

But you can get some idea of comparisons on there

[hexed orchid]

Roughly, next number up on AMD is equivalent

So 3060 would be 6700 in nvidia numbers, roughly

[summer mural]

got it

ty

[vagrant fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlKyVAnZu3Q

post the pointing soyjack wojacks whatevers

[queen laurel]

so is a AMD Radeon RX 580 good card to replace a nvidia geforce gtx 1630

being in the philippines cards here are ******* expensive

[hexed orchid]

Should be a good step up. 1630 was never much of a gaming card.

[dapper gyro]

I used to have a Rx580.

[vagrant fox]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1630-vs-AMD-RX-580/m1882491vs3923

There's a marked difference

[dapper gyro]

Oh no, don't use userbenchmark...

They got banned from both Intel and Nvidia forums and reddit.

[vagrant fox]

Eh, it just gives a vague idea as to where one compares to the other

[hexed orchid]

Least biased comparison site

[vagrant fox]

I don't rely on it at all, and you shouldn't

[queen laurel]

yeah apparently it's around 90% it seems

[hexed orchid]

The people/person running it has a raging hate boner for AMD lol

[queen laurel]

and to be honest since i run games like super ******* low

settings

[dapper gyro]

Nope, their performance got skewed so much it is too unreliable in all aspects.

[vagrant fox]

Nah there's better sites, but I'm lazing around eating pizza

[queen laurel]

that's why i looked it up first and apparently it's a significant step up compared to my card

[dapper gyro]

Rx580 is much better than the Gtx 1630.

[queen laurel]

Yeah I just hope to God I can find the money for it because *** **** it cards here are ******* expensive

and that's one of the cheaper options i can find

[hexed orchid]

Be aware, you want the 8gb RX580. There is a 4gb model

[dapper gyro]

Especially that it has more VRAM, which is a better saving grace for old GPU.

[queen laurel]

got you

[dapper gyro]

Was there Rx580 4gb?

I know Nvidia equivalent 1060 has 3gb or 6gb.

fk they do

[vagrant fox]

There's a good difference

it's running on low in this video though, wild

[queen laurel]

hey i run games at like

potato level graphics

never cared for that stuff

so a AMD Radeon RX 580 it's a sensible enough upgrade

[tall plinth]

I want new gpus to use old ass games in their advertised benchmarks

Just because it’d be kinda funny

[dapper gyro]

Also, whoever says that AMD over heat and having driver issue are living 15 years in the past.

[tall plinth]

our gpu runs [old game from 2008] much better than theirs

[dapper gyro]

I have been using AMD GPU for the last 10 years.

[raven stone]

(Or maybe using a laptop?)

[vagrant fox]

A 5090 or whatever running Hidden & Dangerous 2 would be pogged

[dapper gyro]

Laptop will overheat no matter the gpu.

[summer mural]

youve been playing rogue trader with gtx1650? at what settings?

[dapper gyro]

I have Nvidia laptop.

[summer mural]

laptops do overheat, its a hardware problem

you can manage it

but Im pretty sure your fans are gonna need maintenance at some point

[dapper gyro]

Btw, even the 1650 is barely even with the Rx580.

[queen laurel]

no i have a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1630

i am running it at the lowest settings i can manage

I'm talking so low that a grot is probably taller than it

[summer mural]

so

does it run with good performance at lowest settings

or like it chug along at lowest settings

[queen laurel]

i don't have problems running it really

[summer mural]

well, I was gonna play the game and a bunch of others after upgrading to 3000 or amd cards

but I guess this is yet another reason to play rt right away lol

[queen laurel]

i will say though don't take my experience of solid proof i've gotten pretty good settings minimization as much as possible

if given the chance i would optimize a setting to somehow be able to run a game off of a potato spare batteries and a hamster wheel

[summer mural]

fair enough

[dapper gyro]

The Rx 6600XT is also an inpensive but good card.

[tough haven]

I use a 3090 on my laptop

Works quite well

[viral halo]

Have a 3070 ti on mine, shit slaps

[dapper gyro]

Laptop gpu is about 70% of their desktop counterpart of the same name.

[bold veldt]

i have a laptop with native 4k and a 3050 Ti laptop gpu

[rose thorn]

might have my knight hosue tied to the greyknights (mayeb via forge world deimos) its the only idae that stuck with me os far

[bold veldt]

just for reference, that “Ti” underperforms a regular 3050

by like 8%

[rose thorn]

i think ill make a house wide oath

any lore on curses and stuff in 40k

[queen laurel]

Not really?

Curses can you know take any form really

[rose thorn]

damn

[queen laurel]

A biological curse a mental curse

Many of that type of things

Has been shown in warhammer

[celest dome]

Techno curse

[queen laurel]

Yeah basically every type of curse can like exist in this setting

[rose thorn]

techno curse?

[queen laurel]

A technology based curse

Something like the obliterator virus for example

While yes it's technically a disease it's also technically curse because it's

Magical and shit

[rose thorn]

like a computer virus?

[queen laurel]

Kind of?

Because the thing is with warhammer you can make a techno curse that can like

Forcefully transform machinery into flesh ridden monstrosities

Any type of curse can happen in warhammer

It's kind of just expected for you to make your own if you're planning to implement it on your writing

[sacred ginkgo]

Tech leprosy from RT

Perfect example

[hallow basin]

in case of Obliterator Virus it's literally a transmissible virus that makes one into a monstrousity that can infuse oneself with technology and recreate said tech at will from one's body

[rose thorn]

ooo, in the imperium what are doomsday cults like?

doomsday religions*

[storm jungle]

It depends.

you are asking about religious sects that are spread across bazillions of cultures who all got their own idea of a doomsday.

[queen laurel]

Oi I saw that

[rose thorn]

does the ecclesiarchy have their own doomsday/rapture?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

The Imperial Cult has endless amounts of religious sects.

[rose thorn]

i mean, does the main one redditors quote have anything like it

think the only way i can make lore for my knight house i like is by playing the game cringe

[storm jungle]

Just make shit up bruh

its literally the rule of homebrew

[rose thorn]

its so hard

[sacred ginkgo]

You can just say shit it’s 40k

[storm jungle]

You cant make lore up on the spot, it takes time.

^

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

I literally did a planetary campaign over the course of a week gathering ideas.

You are constantly rushing it

give it time bruh

[rose thorn]

fineeeeeeee

[storm jungle]

Again.

Take notes.

Read stuff.

Get ideas.

Execute.

[rose thorn]

I have ben wriitng ideas, reading lore, getting ideas, then the next day im like 'this is all terrible'

[storm jungle]

Thats the part of the creative process.

[rose thorn]

it took me 4 rewrites i rememebr to make my city of sigmar

[storm jungle]

Nobody hates a creation more than the person making it.

[rose thorn]

i have 2 fully written cities in the bin

[arctic talon]

Literally me

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

this applies to all forms of art/expression

text, physical stuff, etc

[dapper gyro]

Rinse and repeat, you can shine anything if you put effort in.

[dapper gyro]

"An artist never really finishes his work, he merely abandons it."

[rose thorn]

lma

[storm jungle]

So true lmao

I remember calling someone like George Martin a lazy hack

then I sit down to write a homebrew lore

start it

not touch it for 4 weeks

maybe return for a few sentences

repeat

💀

[dapper gyro]

So, you are a lazy hack?

[storm jungle]

So are you.

So is everyone creator.

Artblock is a very real thing.

[dapper gyro]

What do you mean? Im no artist/creator.

[rose thorn]

welp time to steal from my girlfriend's family

family history*

[storm jungle]

BASED.

[dapper gyro]

I was thinking that you were plotting a kidnapping attempt.

[sacred ginkgo]

How else are they going to find out what they need

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

boat, her family coat of arms is litearlly called boat

and it has a boat on it

[arctic talon]

Goes hard

[rose thorn]

based

[dapper gyro]

A family with coat of arms, interesting.

[rose thorn]

shes european

theres liek a 30% chance your fmaily has a coat of arms

[tough haven]

Sorry to hear that.

[rose thorn]

lmao

i think ill steal polish history and then scifi it

which space marine legion should be a stand in for prussia

[vagrant fox]

Imperial Fists

[arctic talon]

fists yeah

[rose thorn]

i was thinking iron warriors since this is a loyalist house

the idea is

knight house
great crusade comes by
"i will destroy your everything and you will do everything we say"
during the horus heresy betray the space marine legion and consider it self independent again

weell if its a loyalist legion then maybe they are forced to gain the forgiveness of the impeirum

[sour hornet]

Space marines just showed up.

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[summer mural]

lmao

[rose thorn]

this is all of 40k's lore

world eaters would be funny too

[rose thorn]

took your advice and im stealing poland

during the great crusade, the high king sold out the entire knight house despite the counsel's vote to try to enforce independence

[storm jungle]

LMAO

checks out

[rose thorn]

and a space marine legion just took over the whole planet and forced them to join in wars and break theri vows

then during the hours heresy the knight house took the chance to betray the space marines and tak eback their independence

whoops got the wrong part of poland

once i get the history a cutlure will flow pretty eaisly

[rose thorn]

alright chat waht space marine legion should my knight house curb stomp

oh night lords owuld be easy

"boy this imperium thing is knocking on our door, i wonder hwo they will convince us to join them"

opens door

sevatar : "."

[young pecan]

What is your knight house?

[rose thorn]

making a custom one

[young pecan]

Never heard of them before strangely

[rose thorn]

wha?

[young pecan]

Knight houses

Like I've never heard of that

[rose thorn]

imperial knights?

[summer mural]

its how the imperial knights are organized

in knightly order type pseudo feudal houses

i think

it makes no sense the imperium allows that , but its the imperium

almost nothing makes sense

they got cool heraldry and stuff though, like knightly orders

[rose thorn]

oh knight houses are technically independent

[young pecan]

They look pretty cool

[rose thorn]

the imperium asking them stuff is requests

[summer mural]

yeah thats the part that doesnt make much sense

[young pecan]

Some are also governed by the AdMech right?

[rose thorn]

yeah but htose are still independent

[summer mural]

like I feel like the imperium would bring them under the fold, but they probably dont have time or resources to do all that

[rose thorn]

ryza has a few hidden knight houses that htey keep away from the imeprium

[rose thorn]

the knights are bound to the pilots

like you cant put aguardsmen in a knight because it will kill htem

knights have a sepcial spike that if the souls in the knights dont liek you, they will labotomize you

[arctic talon]

Depends™️, its heresy era isn't it

[rose thorn]

ues

yes*

[summer mural]

also there are those wandering knight types who go on lone pilgrimages and such, and the knightly houses/imperium just let them take those expensive warmachines and go off into the sunset wherever they want, I get the pilots are bound to the mech, but dont new pilots get to bond with existing mechs too

[young pecan]

Based

Do they respect capability or morality more?

Or is it very widely ranging

[rose thorn]

depends on the house

you have to recite vows, make promises, show skill, and bring glory to the knight

[young pecan]

Because a kasrkin could be taken in by a knight that appreciates capability, I would reason

[rose thorn]

you get psychologicaly tortured by the souls

[rose thorn]

you could have a knight house allied with cadia

if you wanan do that style

[young pecan]

Interesting

[rose thorn]

yeah, i feel liek waht legion tehy fuck up will really determine the identity

[young pecan]

Do tech priests themselves ever get the chance to pilot knights?

[rose thorn]

theres 2 knight house types questoris and mechanicus

mechanicus ones are piloted by basically tech priests

they are pilots first admech second

depending on the house

[young pecan]

Interesting

[rose thorn]

theres a knight house that are just space pirates lmao

[arctic talon]

No, not really

[arctic talon]

Them blowing up nightlords would be fitting if ou want the IK to have the whole "protect the weak" thing going on

[rose thorn]

ye

like

NLs: protect the weak bringer of bravery
IW: killer of tyrants destroyer of walls
1k Sons: death to the witch slayer of fools
WE: destroy the savages, pew pew
EC: reamin humble, killer of pride
LW/SH: distrust the powerful, killers of the traitors
AL: Death to tricksters

i forgot the rest

OH DG and

WBs

DG: I have no ideas

WBs: hater of religion, slayers of the first traitors

betraying alpha legion would be pretty great

hyper paranoid of thier own ranks, they refuse to get fooled

they terrorize each oehter trying to root out spies

[arctic talon]

Prevent planets from being totally ruined by stuff

[rose thorn]

oh yeahh

Doom stays in the battlefield not our homes

they protect civilizations nad stuff

pierce the unbreakable

oh yeah WBs is

"fucking murder demons"

Death guard is also proving medical care

Protect the Ill stuff like that

Pretty sure all of the fallen dark angels were on caliban

[arctic talon]

yeah

if you want traitor loyalists

or for them to kick loyalist teeths in and then be brought back into the fold post heresy

that also works tbh

[rose thorn]

I’d have to be one of the less agreeable loyalists who wouldn’t give a shit about tradition

Or the knight house are assholes

[summer mural]

this seems like a deeply unfortunate error tbh

def going in the Book

[rose thorn]

They curb stop Raven guard because they want to be the ruling class again

[opaque coyote]

What is like

The smallest/least offensive offense that went into the book

[rose thorn]

Fuck up dark angels because they don’t wanna give up their rare tech

[summer mural]

picking your nose without a beard or something I dunno

[opaque coyote]

Like I'm actually curious

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely wonder if like

A dwarf tried to get payback for all of the offenses only to find the offender already dead.

[summer mural]

paying like 20 gold short by mistake gets your city burnt to the ground or something

[misty vector]

i think theres a grudge in there about pointless formalities

[summer mural]

they carry on to descendants, grudges extend to the families

[opaque coyote]

"Hello-"

"THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK."

[summer mural]

over multiple generations

[rose thorn]

Why would they curb stomp imperial fists?

[summer mural]

also this did happen afaik

[opaque coyote]

Imagine being some random woman.

[summer mural]

cant

[opaque coyote]

You woke up in the morning

About to do some farmwork

[summer mural]

thats even more difficult to imagine

[summer mural]

you're basically pushing my imagination to the extreme now

[opaque coyote]

And then you see in the distance a Tiny Breaded man

[summer mural]

thats more like it

[opaque coyote]

"YOU MUST PAY YOUR DUESSS"

"WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU"

"AAAAAAAAA-"

[summer mural]

yeah thats a grudge

except its not one bearded man

its his entire families army in full armor with flamethrowers and freshly made axes

[opaque coyote]

Do they have like varying punishments

Or is it dependant on the "victim"

Like is there also another book to defer to for specific types of grudges

[rose thorn]

Im blanking on loyalists to curb stomp

Space wolves

[summer mural]

well, each clan has a book, that the high king then collectively records the grudges from in the master book of grudges

as for the system of punishment and how they guage it

dunno

[opaque coyote]

Yeah honestly I always thought it just depends on the dwarf that's offended

[summer mural]

blood, gold, or some form of compensation can all be used to satisfy the grudge

it doesnt have to be murder

[opaque coyote]

So theoretically you could get just a slap on the wrist.

Or get your entire village burned down.

And there's no real like

"solid rule"

It just depends on the dwarf/their kin

...

I can imagine a Dwarf fucking somebody's wife as revenge for the grudge lmao

[summer mural]

A great grudge against the name of Jacques Pouliard for his heinous slandering of fine dwarf ale. His insistence on a wine drinking competition forced Rangor Twinecrest to consume upwards of three bottles of the sickly substance, time that could have been far better spent quaffing some fine dwarfen brews. It is noted in the Book of Grudges that Pouliard was last seen misty-eyed beneath the negotiation table, babbling in his incoherent tongue. This grudge shall stand until Pouliard or his clan acknowledge the superiority of dwarf-made ale

[rose thorn]

Hey @storm jungle what’s your least favorite legions both loyalists and traitor

[opaque coyote]

I find it funny that the Dwarves are basically redditors

[summer mural]

pretty much

[rose thorn]

SW RG and WS would be “we like being the ruler class fuck human rights”

[opaque coyote]

They would fucking love the internet

On god

[summer mural]

well, theyd probably not realize all the mods are skaven

[arctic talon]

Dark Angels: Secrecy, paranoia and pride are poison to a world

Raven Guard: We have a rightful place at the top as nobles.

Space Wolves/White Scars: savages must be civilized

Salamanders: There is no place for mercy on the battlefield when it makes things worse for everyone else

[rose thorn]

OOOOO

Ultramarines it would be the exact opposite of SW: “civilization is for nerds”

Iron hands hm

[arctic talon]

Imperial Fists: Discipline in an army does not extend to us as we are nobles, not a common soldier

Iron Hands: There is strength in protecting the weak, so long as it does not result in failure

[opaque coyote]

I feel like this is very contradictory

Perfect

[rose thorn]

The IF is great

[arctic talon]

Blood Angels: Those who eat the flesh of others are craven creatures and monsters

[rose thorn]

Oh context, ideology of IKs who betray a legion

[rose thorn]

The least insane of them
All

[storm jungle]

IF we are going by the original 18 Legions

• Most favorite: Raven Guard
• Least favorite: Imperial Fists

[opaque coyote]

Imperial Knights

I presume

[arctic talon]

yes

[rose thorn]

What about chaos side?

[rose thorn]

Also based

[storm jungle]

• Most favorite: Sons of Horus
• Least favorite: Night Lords

I REALLY had to think

[rose thorn]

Wow expected AL at the bottom

[storm jungle]

nah AL are cool

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it's hard to hate any of the Chaos Legions

[rose thorn]

NLs because of Reddit?

[storm jungle]

the issue is the Alphas literally do what they do in 30k as they do in 40k, so basically nothing ot talk about imo

[opaque coyote]

They're all much more fun than the loyalists

[arctic talon]

NL just

Exist lol

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[arctic talon]

They barely changed

[storm jungle]

overrated af

[rose thorn]

Who’s the last loyalist legion-

We’re forgetting one

[arctic talon]

I got all of them

I combined white scars and space wolves for my list

[opaque coyote]

Night Lord: I LOVE TORTURING PEOPLE

Emperor's Children: "Yeah. So does everyone here bucko. Get a unique hobby."

Iron Warrior nods in agreement

[storm jungle]

My issue is like I just got largely nothing to say about most of the legions, they just do their transformer gimmick and thats it.

"I am loyal and defend this fort"

"Im crazy and I flay people"

"Im a mongol"

"I like tanks"

lol

[rose thorn]

IH, ultra, ws, sw, sala, if, rg, da

[arctic talon]

BA

[rose thorn]

OH BA

WHOOPS

“Cannibalism is bad guys”

[summer mural]

why is that in quotes though

[rose thorn]

[summer mural]

[arctic talon]

Tasty tasty flesh

[languid meadow]

The woke left trying to stop me from having a meal smh

[rose thorn]

What else would there to hate about BA

In lore

Don’t trust the insane people?

[summer mural]

mephiston

[rose thorn]

Also ‘murder witches’

[arctic talon]

Two faced

[rose thorn]

Imma get all of this in one list and reflect one is the best

[arctic talon]

They act like angels and are dressed in very nice armor

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah

[arctic talon]

But are a bunch of violent monsters

They speak of honor and glory

While using phosphex and radiation

They wear masks with tears to hide the glee they have

Ect.

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

Despite nobody ever asking.

Favorite Loyalist Legion: Probably Salamanders because committing war crimes with fire is funny. But I don't really have a favorite here lmao.

Least favorite Loyalist: Dark Angels.

I just don't like their whole Fallen shtick. It's somehow more repetitive than the Alpha Legions shtick at points. But I do like things like the watchers.

Favorite Chaos Legion: Thousand Sons.

Egyptian Soulless Living Armor is fun as fuck.

Least Favorite Chaos Legion:

Word Bearers.

This is due to the fact that they're kinda the most generic if that makes any sense.

Wow they worship Chaos vehemently. Guess what every other Chaos Cult does.

Worship Chaos

[languid meadow]

I don't like DA because I don't like their fans says me the space wolf enjoyer

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I debated putting Iron Warriors in terms of favorite Chaos Legion

All I can say is that

Both the Thousand Sons and the Iron Warriors can be summarized with two words.

WEAPONIZED AUTISM.

[misty vector]

magic!

[opaque coyote]

Then again that's just Space Marines in general

[storm jungle]

Word Bearers, World Eaters, Night Lords and Sons of Horus are basically "Generic legion of bad guys" by the mid to end point of the Heresy yeah.

that was one of my favorite parts of reading the last Siege books

its NOTHING but Word Bearers, Eaters and Sons

its so fucking funny, its like they turned htem into minecraft mobs

[opaque coyote]

I mean at least the World Eaters have sicker designs and also their anger is

Infectious

[storm jungle]

again legion of generic goons

[opaque coyote]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think what's nuanced is their turn INTO basically Chaos Goons

Since they all pretty much have their own selfish reasons rather than just

"WE MUST NAIL THESE NAILS INTO OUR HEADS!"

"...but why isn't that stupid?"

"WE MUST FEEL OUR PRIMARCH'S PAIN."

"y'know what fuck it"

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[opaque coyote]

Like generally what's most interesting about the Night Lords is that they got a good fucking writer for their books

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209843216227368962/1362530755024261381/Screenshot_3597-1.png?ex=6802bb26&is=680169a6&hm=e6da67ae9802d44acb9e0bec0cf4fbaaf9f1ccf1c545b4b47561dccc061bfdbb&

[languid meadow]

the only chaos legion I feel any sympathy for is thousand sons everyone else is in the goon territory

[opaque coyote]

THE WHEEL CHAIR AHAHA

[rose thorn]

Sons of horus: title mean nothing without action, death to traitors no matter what

?

[opaque coyote]

sympathy for thousand Sons

Space wolf fan

Cannot compute

[languid meadow]

I'm willing to realize the mistakes of the past

(Russ you big moron)

[arctic talon]

Works

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside.

I think generally who I feel bad for is the Death Guard along with the Thousand Sons

Since a good chunk of the Death Guard did NOT ask to be taken on Nurgle's wild ride

Like fuck Typhus. But the random Death Guard Space Marines literally just walking around probably didn't expect to suddenly get 40k diseases

[arctic talon]

Typhus was a rat

[misty vector]

i like thousand sons but idk if they have much going for them if you exclude ahriman

[arctic talon]

From the start lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah this is generally a combination of some of the interesting content

And my bias towards their aesthetic

I like

Egyptian Magician

Super soldiers

[misty vector]

i really do like ahriman though lol

and tzeentch and wizards

[rose thorn]

Could you explain the Dark Angels one?

Secrecy, paranoia and pride are poison to a world

[opaque coyote]

He does at least want to fix his fuckup

The issue is that it seems that

The Emperor passed down his hypocrisy to Magnus

[rose thorn]

I might be stupid

[opaque coyote]

And then Magnus passed it down to Ahriman

[misty vector]

how come

[rose thorn]

Oh I read it wrong

Whoops

[opaque coyote]

"I know I am right"

• The Emperor, Magnus, and Ahriman before doing the worst decision ever made in their lives

[misty vector]

right right

its only good to mess with the eldritch powers if I do it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf to the Emperor. He did at least succeed for a bit.

Magnus and Ahriman just had it IMMEDIATELY explode in their faces

[arctic talon]

The dark angels are super secretive, paranoid and prideful

[rose thorn]

Lmao yea

I misread it the first time

[opaque coyote]

"BROTHERS HELP US THERE IS A TYRANID INVASION-"

"Hold on we're dealing with a fa-... situation."

[arctic talon]

Lol we finally know what the Old Noxian language sounds like

[rose thorn]

Have THE LIST!!

3 of them are “murder savages”

[opaque coyote]

What is this for btw

Like

A group of Squats?

/Votann

[rose thorn]

My knight house betraying a specific legion

[opaque coyote]

Oh right

[rose thorn]

I made a list of all their possible motivations

[opaque coyote]

Dammit adhd

[rose thorn]

And like mentality

[opaque coyote]

You're trying to decide like

Which legion

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

To hate

[opaque coyote]

And just making reasons for all of them just in case

[rose thorn]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Also bc it's fun

[arctic talon]

I wonder if Riot will ever give us actual Va-nox or demacian

Since those are the 2 we’ve never heard

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it would be funny to just have one of the reasons be "they look weird I don't like their vibe"

[rose thorn]

I like the idea of them hating Horus and everyone disliking them for it

[rose thorn]

That’s BA

and horus kinda

[arctic talon]

Shuriman, Ionian, Frejlordian, the language of the serpent isles, and Ur-nox all have been given some actual info

[arctic talon]

Fun

[rose thorn]

“Your fucking stupid for hating horus”

And then they were right

[opaque coyote]

"HE IS LITERALLY NAMED HORUS HERESY"

"Actually it's Luperca-"

"I don't care fuck you'

[arctic talon]

We’ve always hated Horus since day 1

And we still hate him now RAAAAAAAGH

[rose thorn]

“Oh they will follow horus! They worked with him since the start of the first crsuade”

“Well I’m glad we got that knight legion who we controllled since the Great crusade”

What’s the Luna wolves mentality anyway?

[arctic talon]

Uh

Same as the sons of hours

Tbh

[rose thorn]

And what’s sons of horus

Besides being the favorite

[opaque coyote]

It would be funny to make them like

Conspiracy theorists basically.

Like they predicted which Legions would go traitor, but they suspect them for the most stupid reasons

[rose thorn]

They were forcefully taken over by Horus and were forced to do what ever he says otherwise being destroyed

They joined the imperium because they felt as if they ow me them for being right

What is the sons of Horus’ like mental gymnastics ?

Oh wow

The Luna Wolves were a highly efficient military force that thrived on the personal charisma, ambition and pride of their Primarch. These traits carry on into both their organisation and their motivation, with ambition, brotherhood and pride all being notable features of their inner workings

[vagrant fox]

A lot of ganger attitudes, sorta scrappy

[arctic talon]

Oh regarding how the sons of Horus fought

They fought like 40k era space marines

Shock assault

Lots of drop pods, go fast smash specific targets

[rose thorn]

Cthonian gang-culture still was present within the Legion by the time of the Heresy, often in the form of gang tattoos

Oh wow

So loyalty in their primarch was huge that explains a lot

[vagrant fox]

Horus was the don and you don't mess with the don

[rose thorn]

“Do not trust the trustworthy, do not let titles blind you, loyalty has no rewards except betray”

Working with the imperium out of a never ending hatred towards what remains of horus’ forces

[young pecan]

What level of psyker is Sefoni? Do we know?

[arctic talon]

We dunno

all we know is VERY STRONG

[rose thorn]

Specifically learning the sons of horus’ tactics and working with them also gave them a huge insight on how to best counter them

[arctic talon]

she's specalized in telepathy

[rose thorn]

How do you counter that?

[arctic talon]

well for one

IK aren't vulnerable to the usual marine strats

of a decapitation strike

because they're knights

[rose thorn]

Ooo

[arctic talon]

fortify key positions

[rose thorn]

lmao fair

[arctic talon]

to prevent a break through

ect

[rose thorn]

gotcha

also obviously they would fight over SMs for a little bit before their betrayl was ready

so other people wouldnt be happy with them even if they betrayed horus

also NEVER EVER EVER bound your self to anyone else

big nono in the house

[nocturne crest]

Quick question for everyone: If Krieg was to get a unique vehicle for the tabletop, any ideas what it should be?

[arctic talon]

They already have an iconic almost exclusively used by them vehicle

with the Gorgon assault vehicle

[nocturne crest]

Oh yeah.

I forgot about that legends vehicle.

Maybe it will come back at some point.

[arctic talon]

Besides

imperial guard regiments

don't really do regiment only vehicles tbh

There's vehicles regiments favor

but there's no real thing as exclusively used by 1 regiment in lore

[nocturne crest]

I understand.

[rose thorn]

what woudl be some other good quirks of myknight house

how would being fueled by hatred for horus and being freed form him last 10k years

[languid meadow]

Actual kleptomaniacs, they need to have something from every battlefield they've fought in

[rose thorn]

trophiess

[arctic talon]

They're present at all the Black Crusades ever, even if it causes issues with them randomly leaving warzones

[rose thorn]

oooo

[arctic talon]

They keep a lot of trophies of the CSM they kill

[rose thorn]

abbadons pov is this random knight house keeps fucking showing up in eveyr one of his wars

[arctic talon]

"who the fuck are you losers"

-Abby D

[languid meadow]

Generational hater

they take the same name when they become a knight

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

"BLOCK THEIR MOON, DEAFEN THEIR WOLVES, BLIND THEIR EYES, THE WAR MASTER MUST DIE 1000 MORE DEATHS BEFORE WE FEEL A BREATH OF RELIEF"

-Warcry when battling Black Legion

[nocturne crest]

What's their colour scheme?

[rose thorn]

the opposite of lunar wolves, maroon and silver

i mean

sons of horus

whoops

[nocturne crest]

Cool!

[rose thorn]

gulliman sneding the email informing them the black legion might be in a conflict

[nocturne crest]

Do the quirks have to be positive or can they be negative?

Well, does the Imperium salvage stuff like Ammo from chaos forces or is it flat out destroyed?

[rose thorn]

eh both, i already have some stuff in mind i was jsut wodneirng a good generational impact of hatred

House Vulstella?

[nocturne crest]

I think there's a chaos knight house who still worship Horus and view the black legion as traitors?

[arctic talon]

When they see the black legion you can have them you know, be complete psychopaths lol

disregard allies, friendly fire, ect.

ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEATH TO THE TRAITORS

[rose thorn]

valid af

[arctic talon]

besides

we know IK get a ton of leeway for friendlyfire

since they're nobles