40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Like

[spare osprey]

He literally lost his hand defending the lord cypher

From belial

[arctic talon]

I think he might be the most insane named LSM character

GW has

[spare osprey]

I’d agree

[dapper gyro]

The DA as whole are a bunch of unlikeable people for me.

[arctic talon]

I find them fun

[spare osprey]

I really want a post lion dark angel novel

[dapper gyro]

BA at least know their place.

[spare osprey]

Super bad

[arctic talon]

I find lazerus and Belial nice

Same with zeke

[spare osprey]

I like Belial and Samael

[arctic talon]

Asmodai is so absurd

[spare osprey]

But I like the fallen more

[arctic talon]

He loops to being funny

Like wtf do you mean he snarls at people

LOL

[spare osprey]

I think dark angels have some of the more interesting characters tho

[arctic talon]

I wonder if we’ll ever get the DA reclusiarch as a mini

[spare osprey]

Even belial, dude tattoos himself with acid laced ink

[spare osprey]

I would love a sapphon mini

[crystal forum]

does he eat nails for breakfast

[arctic talon]

I lowkey wish Asmodai’s new mini

Was based on that one art of him

Fucking pointing at someone

This one

[crystal forum]

you are the father

[arctic talon]

I like to imagine this is Asmodai yelling at some random DA

For something that isn’t even his fault

[spare osprey]

Me personally

Was hoping for that one where he’s like

Crushing a fallen’s head

[arctic talon]

His new mini is good

Don’t get me wrong

But neither of his minis have really captured Asmodai’s like

Demeanor lol

Rip that random fallen

[crystal forum]

lame generic pose

[arctic talon]

Bro got decapitated and then a sword stabbed into his head

[arctic talon]

It’s based on his original art

[spare osprey]

Honestly just fuck with the fit here

[spare osprey]

Ye

Big steppa

[arctic talon]

Creature

[spare osprey]

Honestly Asmodai is also a very good

[crystal forum]

can i ask why there's a blood angel on necromunda just doing whatever btw

[spare osprey]

Plot point

Lmao

[crystal forum]

is that what space marines do when they retire

[spare osprey]

My head chaplain for my fallen fought him once, and now he’s in a fucking dreadnought

[arctic talon]

I think he just got left behind lol

I think he’s from the really old necromunda art

Lol

[spare osprey]

Yeah just got left behind and slowly gotta deal with the thirst and rage

[storm jungle]

^

this can happen because you know, wars are kinda chaotic

[crystal forum]

you're telling me a space marine can get left behind and there's no way for him to just tell somebody "hey i need a phone line to baal"

[storm jungle]

do you know like

how far Baal is

also why would anyone trust a literal hulking monster

whos half-feral

[crystal forum]

how did he lose his armour anyways

[spare osprey]

He still has bits

Prob just got fucked over the centuries

[crystal forum]

just show your pendant or whatever

[storm jungle]

its this thing called time

[spare osprey]

He’s in pretty obvious mark 3

[storm jungle]

and taking damage

and lack of repairs

[crystal forum]

this guy has been there since the HH?

[spare osprey]

Yeah all that damage actually happened in a month

This was him in march

Lolol

[storm jungle]

Homie had no XP left for repairs

[spare osprey]

See they just say centuries

So it could be just relic armor

Idk tho

[storm jungle]

Its obvious like

theres almost nothing of his OG armor left

the ones we see are just mimicking it

you can tell with his greaves and such

[spare osprey]

Cause that’s the knee for the new mark 3

[crystal forum]

he could commandeer a spaceship and fly home no

[spare osprey]

Plus he has an umbra bolter

Everything else

Prob makeshift

[storm jungle]

no

again

look at how he looks

why would anyone listen to him

[crystal forum]

i said commandeer

[spare osprey]

Plus, likely insane atp

[storm jungle]

Yeah same point

[crystal forum]

as in point the bolter at the pilot

[storm jungle]

why would anyone listen to him

and how do we know he wants to evne go back

[spare osprey]

Also I feel like any ship he alone could take

Wouldn’t get far

[crystal forum]

he seems pretty tough

if pirates can do it then he can

[storm jungle]

Okay but again

how do you know he wants to go back

[crystal forum]

he still wears the chapter iconography

[storm jungle]

I mean no he doesnt

he just uses it because its convenient

the marker is just that, a marker

Maybe he has accepted hes so far gone his Chapter will just kill him

[crystal forum]

he doesnt look taken by the blood thing

which is weird right

[storm jungle]

I mean no

as long as you drink blood you'll be fine

and he isnt fighting anything too tough to give him the black rage

[crystal forum]

so there's a jacked up superhuman soldier vampire running around necromunda

[storm jungle]

literally the least weirdest thing down there if you know Munda lore

hes very much just a giant guy with a boltgun

in an underhive filled with literal metal-meatvore worms, psychic jellyfish robots, cyborg green goblins, homeless hobos with junk-halberds, DAOT planetary governor metal people, etc

[crystal forum]

this guy would get along with sly marbo i feel

[storm jungle]

sly marbo sucks

so prob not

[crystal forum]

😭

[storm jungle]

Haha loser

[opaque coyote]

They're funny little guys

I'm just imagining like

One of the Watchers casually growing long and shorter

Changes heights every time you look away and look back

"How... Why?"

"It's funny."

suddenly becomes tall again

They know nobody knows jackshit about them so they use it for pranks

Considering that a lesser Daemon was outright terrified by the mere presence of one

I choose to believe that they can just obliterate your soul and body in an instant

I like them because

A) funny hooded guys

B) it shows that there are many mysteries in the galaxy, and powers that none of the big players are completely aware of

[plush mason]

i wouldnt call the changeling a lesser daemon tbch

[opaque coyote]

Okay yeah nvm about the changeling being a lesser daemon

But yeah that just makes them

[plush mason]

is it classified as a lesser daemon?

[arctic talon]

Changeling is in the awkward spot

[opaque coyote]

Even more terrifying

[arctic talon]

Of being between it lol

[plush mason]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

Like imagine your mere presence fucking terrifying a daemon

[arctic talon]

They’re technically a horror

[opaque coyote]

I think only people like the Emperor are capable of that

[arctic talon]

So they’re technically a lesser demon

[plush mason]

yeah not even the changeling is willing to go near them

[arctic talon]

But they regularly are alongside shit like lords of change lol

[opaque coyote]

Casual mini gods hanging around the paranoid green SMs

[plush mason]

yup

[opaque coyote]

Also the funny part being that I don't think the Dark Angels tried to investigate them

Or more likely they know better to not try

[plush mason]

most of them dont even know they exist iirc

[opaque coyote]

The most paranoid chapter just has a bunch of mini Xenos and they either don't know or they're just like

"yeah they're cute. Don't mess with them otherwise you will fucking die"

[arctic talon]

They show up but most people just ignore them

They only really are well known by dark angels “destined” for something

[crystal forum]

i bet they're some sort of abhuman

[arctic talon]

In which that case they usually got a lot of watchers with them

We know they’re xenos

They predate humanity

They were the original inhabitants of caliban

[crystal forum]

how does anybody in the setting know that

[arctic talon]

They do

We get the pov of one

[crystal forum]

damn

[arctic talon]

They seem very human like

Though

Also they’re sad about caliban you know

blowing up

[opaque coyote]

I honestly think it's some type of blank type of influence.

Like a controlled version that just makes most people think of them as just

There

But not questioning their existence

[arctic talon]

Well

People do try to ask

[crystal forum]

what if they're all just ridiculously strong psykers

[arctic talon]

The dark angels just give non answers

Lol

[arctic talon]

That is the implication

Considering they’re seemingly impervious to harm

[crystal forum]

like delete a demon just by looking at them level strong

[opaque coyote]

Considering that a Changeling screamed in fear and immediately ran the fuck away.

[arctic talon]

Like

[opaque coyote]

They are

[arctic talon]

There’s a watcher

Who was still around

After an orbital bombardment

Lol

[opaque coyote]

I'm now imagining a CSM finding one napping

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

Immediately unloading his bolter

And just

The bullets being blocked

[arctic talon]

They seem to be pacifists

[crystal forum]

and the fact that they seem to have perfect control over themselves

[opaque coyote]

Like they just float

[arctic talon]

They’ve never been shown to engage in violence

At all

[opaque coyote]

Unless if you mess with them

In which case uh

you disappear

[crystal forum]

why do they hang out with dark angels if they're pacifists

[opaque coyote]

Although are there any cases of like people coming back

[arctic talon]

Because they hate chaos

[opaque coyote]

Caliban

Hate chaos

[arctic talon]

And they loved the humans on caliban

The dark angels and their serfs are the only real remenent left

Of the people of caliban

So they hang out with them

[opaque coyote]

It's honestly nice to see a Xenos race just doing their own thing and also

That thing not being "kill/enslave other races"

[arctic talon]

They just creepily stare at you

[crystal forum]

so that art of the librarian reading a book held up by the watchers

[arctic talon]

Or follow you

[opaque coyote]

Also why I like the Taliban

[crystal forum]

is like using demigods as a book stand

[arctic talon]

The watcher is helping him yeah

Lol

The watchers like to assist those they deem “worthy”

They were an upgrade for the company veterans

In like 3e

[opaque coyote]

I wonder if anybody just saw one staring and them

And just waved hi

[arctic talon]

And they had an ability that once per game they’d negate any Psychic power

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Targeted

[opaque coyote]

Any?

[arctic talon]

They’re also part of the deathwing terminator squad rn

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

And they give a bonus to not die against Psyker stuff

[crystal forum]

bring the tiny hooded guy onto the space hulk

[arctic talon]

I think it’s a FNP?

[arctic talon]

Tbh if you try to stop them they might just teleport to you lol

They kind of just

appear

[crystal forum]

nice so they can even teleport

[opaque coyote]

I now have like

The imagination of some Alpha Plus Psyker conjuring a powerful, city destroying spell towards a Dark Angel Veteran

He fires it, laughing maniacally

And then it just

Disappears

"WHAT?"

[crystal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/watchers-in-the-dark-v0-fsfg891a3dbe1.png?auto=webp&s=087a447689cd46bd877a13bf2fc9c3b763bb2825

A collection of dubious little dudes

[crystal forum]

i love how oversized their robes used to be

[opaque coyote]

Azrael turned them white

Damn

[arctic talon]

Honestly wish they kept that on the minis

[opaque coyote]

Big hood

Also now I'm imagining a DA giving one a gun

"Okay, try to use the Bolt Pistol on that Daemon"

BLAM

watcher goes flying

[crystal forum]

drops the gun then mentally explodes it

[arctic talon]

Tbh they’d prolly just hold the gun and ignore them

[opaque coyote]

"shoot"

"Huh"

"shoot that guy"

"...huh"

sips juice box out of nowhere

[crystal forum]

they're too cute to get mad at

imagine them running after space marines

with their little feet

[opaque coyote]

Have they like killed humans unprovoked

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

Or is it only Daemons on their shit list

[arctic talon]

No one has seen them kill anyone

Whenever someone pisses them off

They disappear

As in they’re just gone

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I am now imagining a Neophyte waking up on some random isolated planet

"WHERE THE FUCK AM I?"

[crystal forum]

they get turned into watchers oooooOoOOoOh

[opaque coyote]

It reminds me of how

In the SCP wiki, the Wanderer's Library has Librarians.

Most are allowed if they don't like

Fuck around

But if they do they turn into a Librarian

[arctic talon]

“They come and go as they please, and from their first days as novitiates all Dark Angels are warned not to interfere with or obstruct the Watchers in any way. Cautionary tales persist, whispered by Scout brothers, of those who ignored these warnings and soon disappeared, never to be seen again.”

Oh also they really like the Librarius

There’s a ton of them in there

To the point where the librarius barely needs serfs

[opaque coyote]

"hm yes B O O K ."

[arctic talon]

Because some watcher is prolly gona grab the book for you

[crystal forum]

they like to pretend they're reading grown up books

how cute

[opaque coyote]

Just imagining a Watcher on like a stool and 5 textbooks

"You have a library card?"

[crystal forum]

your book is past due

time to disappear bucko

[arctic talon]

I like to imagine

[opaque coyote]

I imagine that if it's past the date, the book just suddenly disappears

[arctic talon]

They just send them to the fucking forest walking realm

[opaque coyote]

Back to the library

[arctic talon]

That’s how they get disappeared

They get dumped in the eldritch caliban mirror forest

[crystal forum]

is that a thing

[arctic talon]

Yeah, the forest walking place The Lion access’s seems to be some stable pocket of the warp manifested by what was left of calibans weird creepy warp shit

Caliban was always a very warpy planet

Hell the thing was badly chaos corrupted in a large chunk of it

But it’s always had weird warp beasts and stuff

[crystal forum]

huh

[bold veldt]

yea weird tentacle lions arent a natural predator

of any world

[rose thorn]

What do they do again?

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-gif-17784237642811266057

[arctic talon]

Vibe, hang out, hold stuff

[plush mason]

observe humanity, as they have done for eons

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[vagrant fox]

Watchers are funny little guys, they seem chill when they do mind-to-mind speak as well

[bold veldt]

specifically, in The Unforgiven, we see Watchers which are essentially guarding Luther’s prison cell. and while Azrael is conversing with him and he starts to lose sanity, their “cordon” starts to shrink as a warning that Azraels time is up

they guide the way for some marines and such

and they warn of evil

they dont exactly threaten but the general consensus is back tf up when they tell you to

it says something when they can order the Grand Master of the Dark Angels to “back off.”

the fact they have existed since long before even the Lion arrived on Caliban is awesome

[rose thorn]

God I love Luther what a good book

There is a timeline that I like dark angels and it’s not too far

[rose thorn]

Hey what’s some space marine factions that were lost to time?

/space marine armies

The only example that comes to mind was fallen and the wolfin 13th company space wolves

[vagrant fox]

And here I was thinking about the Rainbow Warriors

[rose thorn]

Oh Sowwy

Meant stuff that had rules

[arctic talon]

For CSM, The crimson slaughter, and Khorne daemonkin for supplements

Both got a supplement

Both only lived for one edition

[rose thorn]

Why the crimson slaughter?

Oh they are from the DA vs CSM box right?

[vagrant fox]

Legion of The Damned don't have a list anymore, but I'm pretty sure they used to

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah

Oh wow ynnari are from 7th edition

Flesh tearers

Blood ravens

Champions of fenris

What the hell is Clan Raukaan

Oh iron hands

Besides BR those are all the ones that had codexes

The rest are in campaign books or white dwarves

[rose thorn]

If only we had someone to threaten my life to inform me…

[vagrant fox]

Some weird obscure Raukaan lore, threats of foot up your ass, Red Talons Thursday

[storm jungle]

And uhh something-something "Iron Hands got lots of fans"

[rose thorn]

Something something Maggie has bad taste

[bold veldt]

damn

whatd iron hands do to yall

[rose thorn]

More like who did iron hands do to y’all

[arctic talon]

We only have one iron hands fan left now smh

[bold veldt]

who?

[arctic talon]

You halved their population/j

MANTO

[bold veldt]

huh

[arctic talon]

Is the one that’s left

Eternal got smited

The upcoming nids KT is a good grey knights proxy hear me out

It’s an elite team, it’s melee focused, and it teleports

[plush mason]

lmao get ambushed

[bold veldt]

get shanked loser

[arctic talon]

Necromunda moment

[arctic talon]

Real

[storm jungle]

I legit

will never get over this

like im not even a huge grey knights fan

but this was fucking insulting

lmao

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[storm jungle]

ALL THAT WAITING

[arctic talon]

Next edition

[storm jungle]

FOR A FUCKING DREADKNIGHT "UPDATE"

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

IT LOOKS THE FUCKING SAME

[arctic talon]

Ngl

If it was an actual dreadknight update

That would have been cool

[storm jungle]

yeah thats my issue

it literally looks no different, i love how 95% of the chat was like

"So whats new on this image?"

"The dreadknight!"

"What"

[arctic talon]

Do you mind if I share that to a dif discord

If not that’s fine

[rose thorn]

At least we know the current greyknights are at least to scale

I guess

[arctic talon]

Well

Not really

Crowe

[rose thorn]

OHBYEAHHH

[arctic talon]

Crowe is in Nuscale+ a bit more

-the character tax of being magically bigger

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

I mean ITS TRUE

Name one 40k mini character or even AoS and whfb

Where they aren’t magically bigger

They’re literally all

Magically larger

[rose thorn]

Literally

Lmao

Idk gulliman and shit

[arctic talon]

Heroic scale moment

Then again I suppose GW’s stuff isn’t exactly heroic scale now

They’ve got their own weird scale

[rose thorn]

32mm scale if you were born after 2010

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dapper gyro]

Heroic proportion, 28mm scale

[arctic talon]

The scale of GW stuff isn’t exactly heroic now

Imo

[dapper gyro]

Then they do "true scale" proportion, 32mm scale.

[arctic talon]

Hm

[winged jacinth]

i might buy the rogue trader season pass now because its on a pretty good sale but dlc 2 comes out "spring 2025" and we've heard literally nothing

owlcat please just say if its coming

[arctic talon]

Lol

Watch it get shadow dropped

Imo void shadows alone

Is worth the money

[winged jacinth]

yeah 45% is a pretty good sale

i just dont want to play it until i can do it all in one go

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

[winged jacinth]

i dont have the time to play an owlcat game twice

[arctic talon]

But yeah arbites when

Ngl rogue trader is by far

The best 40k video game in terms of how it “gets” 40k

[winged jacinth]

i played it some and it was really good

i apparently played it for 30 hours lol

[arctic talon]

Lol

[winged jacinth]

but my WOTR hours

1 campaign

[arctic talon]

On the upside

Rogue trader is def shorter(imo)

It’s like 40 hours+ shorter

[winged jacinth]

i used a mod to not play the whole armies mechanic which cuts like 30 hours lol

and no dlcs for it either

im gonna buy it but i wanna know when i can play it!!

[arctic talon]

The armies mechanic is ass

Lol

[winged jacinth]

its so bad

and if you do it as implemented it takes FOREVER

[arctic talon]

Ship combat in RT is fine

But it also is like bullshit on the highest difficulty

[winged jacinth]

RT doesnt make you waste time recruiting more units at least lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winged jacinth]

i had a button to win combats so i just made enough armies to go all the places i wanted to lol

i played the minigame like once and went "yeah thats enough of that"

[arctic talon]

I will say for rogue trader consider cheating in Navigator points if you ever get deadlocked progress wise and need them for progress so you have to farm them via rolling events

[winged jacinth]

i've never been too proud to cheat for a better experience

[winter pine]

As much as I loved RT I don't think I could try an Owlcat game any rougher than that

[nocturne crest]

So do you think the Grey Knights will get their range refresh after the wolves?

[rose thorn]

I love greyknights so much

On another note I think every dnd YouTuber who covers 40K now needs to do anything else in their life

[nocturne crest]

Then again, maybe GW will over correct and give Death watch range refresh.

[rose thorn]

Deathwatch has 2 models

Greyknights are one of the most unqiue factions in 40K

Grey knights, imperial knights

2 of my favorite armies

I’m going crazy

[nocturne crest]

Go crazy.

Maybe it will be both. Grey Knights and Death Watch range refreshes at the same time.

Give the primaris some xenos weaponry to hold or something.

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

I really hope GKs get a model refresh

[dapper gyro]

death watch will get primaris for sure.

[young pecan]

Do you think if someone was able to convince a few skaven of the undeniable fact that if they take everything over they won't have anything left to eat or steal that the Old World might have been saved

Could it have spread through the clans like a cognitohazard

[arctic talon]

They’re getting their refresh next edition 100^% lol

[arctic talon]

No because skaven are literally inherently evil

There’s an argument to be made they’re not even naturally occurring

[nocturne crest]

I think they already got a primaris team.

[arctic talon]

They have multiple

Not a specific kit though

[nocturne crest]

I wonder how Primaris blackshields will work.

[arctic talon]

The same way normal ones do

[nocturne crest]

Deciding to leave their chapter behind?

[young pecan]

Yeah but that doesn't take away from the point

You can be evil and conscientious of your food supply

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Yes but they wouldn’t care

Because why would I do this

Everyone else isnt doing it

Fuck them

I’m the best skaven

Everything will be better when I’m in charge

[young pecan]

That's a better point

[queen laurel]

it's literally inherently ingrained on their very being to be bastards

[arctic talon]

Chapter is destroyed, they leave their chapter, Ect.

[queen laurel]

Like the only way to make a good skaven is to kill one

[young pecan]

Their pride is most probably what would make that so

[rose thorn]

Skaven could never beat the enemy called "An economical blight of a game"

[arctic talon]

Also the skaven might not even have separate souls

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rose thorn]

unlesss nagash is the CEO of GW

[dapper gyro]

Pretty much what EWolf said. The DWatch at the moment are upgrade kits. DWatch used to have a dedicated box.

[young pecan]

Now that's a new one

[queen laurel]

Didn't they also literally almost ruin the plan of the great horned rat just with how pride headed they are

[arctic talon]

A Wizard mentions that all they see is one giant soul the skaven keep stealing from each other

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

See

[arctic talon]

The GHR had to tell them to GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER OR ELSE IM KILLING YOU ALL

[rose thorn]

actually that deos epxlain why skreech exists

[queen laurel]

they wouldn't even listen to their god unless forced too what makes you think they would listen to some random nobody

[rose thorn]

and how skaven are able to control verminlord posessed stuff

[queen laurel]

yeah they forced his hands because if they actually just didn't listen to him he wouldn't be the 4th chaos God right now

[queen laurel]

yeah it's even stated in the battle tome that their souls are literally weaker than just about everyone else

but they make up for it through sheer numbers

A single skaven isn't worth a human soul

50 definitely is

[nocturne crest]

I just can't picture a primaris marine doing that.

[dapper gyro]

Why not?

[nocturne crest]

I kind of figured with the release of the primaris marines that led to the rebirth of new chapters, that included destroyed ones, there would be a low number of chapters wiped out.

The only chaos primairs marines that we know of are only due to Khorne getting involved.

[opaque coyote]

My name is The Emperor

I made the golden throne

It was difficult to put the pieces together

But unfortunately, something went so wrong

And now I can't do anything but sing this stupid song

My name is The Emperor

Emperor

Emperor

Emperor...

[shadow plover]

I was playing the Act 3 boss in Rogue Trader last night and I was doing pretty well, but then boom three perils of the warp daemon summons in a row and three of my squad dead

maybe tonight I won't explode my own head

[arctic talon]

Rip

Also unrelated but still CRPG why the fuck did they pick oath of crown for BG3’s new update lol

[shadow plover]

About the boss itself, ||if I want to let Marazhai kill his sister do I need to do the killing blow WITH him or does it open a dialogue tree after the fight where I can finish her off?|| I kinda led myself into a bad position trying to achieve it during the fight

[arctic talon]

Lying = breaking oath , which means if you want to play a morally good character you are going to inevitably break your oath in act 2. Genuinely chose the most boring fucking Paladin oath in existence gameplay wise and awful to use RP wise

[arctic talon]

He ||needs to make the final blow||

[shadow plover]

Right, figured as much but at least now I know I'm not doing the extra effort for nothing

The hardest part is managing the massive DoT I dish out with like 3 of my squad

[queen laurel]

yeah but you're lucky

pre nerf act 3 boss was fucked

[shadow plover]

How was it changed

[arctic talon]

less incubi

they nerfed her as well

it used to be 4x incubi

• kabalite warriors

and I think a ranger

[queen laurel]

also less combat power

like wolf said

[shadow plover]

The incubi aren't really a problem, they barely hit anything when I have two 130% dodge chance guys in melee with them lmao

[arctic talon]

yeah well the issue was that there were more of them

and incubi got nerfed stat wise

[shadow plover]

4 times the amount there is now or just 4 more

[arctic talon]

there were 4 times the amount of incubi over the course of the fight

but 4 incubi at the start

and then they'd come in 2's

[shadow plover]

ah, well the new reinforcements are just free lethality/versatility points

two boats with a drukharii shooter or whatever and three humans that die in one shot

[arctic talon]

yeah the fight is

A lot less brutal now lol

[shadow plover]

I kinda wish I could try the harder one

[queen laurel]

yes pre-nerf act 3 boss was fun if you can beat her but it took a lot

[shadow plover]

the two grotesques below the stairs also do nothing, just fire their liqufiers and miss every time

I'm not sure if the effects they leave on the ground do anything though

[arctic talon]

Ngl I wish there was a option to unnerf every fight

Some of them on launch were unhinged

[queen laurel]

yeah honestly i would not mind telling people that there's harder fight if you want

and watch the color drain in their face

[arctic talon]

Well

I’m just a glutton for punishment

Lol

[queen laurel]

oh you don't have to tell me my wooden keeper of secrets buddy

[arctic talon]

Ngl, I wish baldurs gate 3 made the game harder

But people already struggle with the game difficulty wise on tactician

So maybe not lol

[queen laurel]

that's why honor mode exists for freakazoids like you

[arctic talon]

Honor mode isn’t harder imo

Well

The honor mode legendary actions exist

But you can enable them outside of it

I beat honor mode on my first go by playing the safest most cowardly way possible lol

[queen laurel]

i'm currently playing the giant barb and I was quite disappointed to find out that I can't double gigantify

[arctic talon]

The engine prolly can’t handle it

[queen laurel]

With rage and giant Slayer

[arctic talon]

Lol

[queen laurel]

to be fair I got that over it pretty quickly because an orc the size of an ogre would be insane

[arctic talon]

Nah it would go hard

[queen laurel]

yeah it's just a shame really because i really wanted to slap someone silly

[queen laurel]

i really wanted to kick someone while being the size of an ogre

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Oh fun fact about oath of crowns

It breaks ||if you free Aylin lol||

[queen laurel]

what why

[arctic talon]

You broke your word

Remember

[queen laurel]

what's oath of the crowns again

[arctic talon]

They oath means you’re the bitch of whoever has authority. Beyond just not being allowed to lie

[queen laurel]

wait so since

[arctic talon]

Law. The law is paramount. It is the mortar that holds the stones of civilization together, and it must be respected.

Loyalty. Your word is your bond. Without loyalty, oaths and laws are meaningless.

Courage. You must be willing to do what needs to be done for the sake of order, even in the face of overwhelming odds. If you don't act, then who will?

Responsibility. You must deal with the consequences of your actions, and you are responsible for fulfilling your duties and obligations.

[queen laurel]

the main villain of act 2 has a lot of authority

[arctic talon]

Killing gortash should absolutely cause it to break

Lol

In act 3

What a choice of an oath Larien

Should have picked redemption or conquest

They’re both more interesting gameplay wise

And fluff wise

[queen laurel]

To be honest I could see it as like good flavor text for you like for the greater good of all you broke your oath

[arctic talon]

Well

It’s meant to be morally good as an oath

But like you end up needing to follow what horrible people tell you to do lol

[queen laurel]

it's just that anyone with authority in boulders gate is a piece of shit

[arctic talon]

No

But Gortash is the leader of it during the events of the game so…….

Killing him would break your oath

As would opposing him heavily

Lol

[queen laurel]

Also Speaking of i haven't heard of the drunk monk as a subclass

Where is that one from

and i need to make my character named jackie chan

[arctic talon]

It’s from xanathars guide to everything

[sacred ginkgo]

Xanathar’s I think

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

Anyways death to oath of crowns

[queen laurel]

is it good now or

[arctic talon]

Shittiest Paladin oath possible

[queen laurel]

Absolutely garbage

[arctic talon]

Drunken master is prolly good in BG3

Lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Xanathars was drunk sun soul and kensei

[arctic talon]

Because monk is good

Oh also other weird choice they made

arcane archer

[queen laurel]

i genuinely thought that it was a class for ranger

but apparently it's a fighter class

[sacred ginkgo]

Didn’t arcane archer require magical arrows to use

[queen laurel]

if i wanted to use a bow i would've went with a ranger

[arctic talon]

Nah you’d magically generate 4 arrows per long rest to use lol

I think it was up to 12 max

[sacred ginkgo]

I’ll check

[arctic talon]

I forgot

[sacred ginkgo]

That was also xanathars right

[arctic talon]

All I remember is it’s terrible in actual dnd

[queen laurel]

OK so fighter got a ranged class what the hell did ranger got

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

BEES

[celest dome]

Should have picked Oath of Treachery, that's a really fun one to play around with

[queen laurel]

wait is that also from xanathars

[sacred ginkgo]

Swarm ranger is Tasha’s

[arctic talon]

Treachery is UA tbf

So less likely to see the light of day

[arctic talon]

Nah

[queen laurel]

OK i swear to god

[arctic talon]

Tasha’s is my favorite

Like supplement

[queen laurel]

it almost looks like alot them are xanathars

[arctic talon]

Then xanathars

[arctic talon]

Yeah that’s because it was fat

[sacred ginkgo]

Tasha’s is when they started getting their shit together and standard

[arctic talon]

Oh bruh arcane archer is awful in 5e what is this lol

No wonder it got reworked in BG3

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah I’m looking at it and like

What the fuck

Infinite use damage and control options

Huh

[queen laurel]

Can you look way of the drunken fist for me

how is it in tt

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh no wait it’s limited

Just really poorly written

Woooowwwww

2 shitty magic arrows per day

Incredible

[arctic talon]

Decent, lots of mobility stuff

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah drunken master is ok

[arctic talon]

Anyways

There’s a grave cleric in game, the gravekeeper lady

And an (ex) conquest Paladin lol

Im surprised we didn’t get either of those subclasses

Then again death cleric is nice,

Gives a fluffy option for Shart

[sacred ginkgo]

Grave is also pretty decent when I look at it

[arctic talon]

Grave cleric is great

It’s my favorite cleric subclass tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

I like twilight because theme and it’s also fucked

[arctic talon]

Twilight is sick

It is absurdly overtuned but it’s so cool

I ran a campaign where I halved the numbers on temp Hp for it and it was still good

[sacred ginkgo]

Initiative advantage and the longest darkvision available to a PC at first level is just funny

[arctic talon]

Tbh

There’s only one thing I’ve banned from my table for 5e

peace cleric

Wtf do you mean reaction teleport party wide and free guidance

[sacred ginkgo]

Redemption paladin is just that but not heinously fucked up

[arctic talon]

Redemption Paladin is peace cleric if it wasn’t made by a meth head

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s also cooler

[arctic talon]

It also is more strict rp wise

Lol

[sacred ginkgo]

I feel like it would have the highest oath break rate if added to BG3

[arctic talon]

It would

But it’s fluffy

[sacred ginkgo]

Because it says you can’t instigate

[arctic talon]

It fits great imo

[arctic talon]

You can instigate against ontologically evil stuff like demons

But besides that yeah

Tbh they should have given another less uh…. Morally inclined oath

[sacred ginkgo]

And most of the villains aren’t that

[arctic talon]

Ancients, devotion and crown are all for good™️

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s literally only like

The elder brain, Orin(maybe), and like

Idfk

The avatar of myrkul lol

[sacred ginkgo]

I think I’d consider a hag evil

But they also aren’t major

[arctic talon]

I forgot about her yeah

Balthazar as well I guess, but he’s still got some level of morality in him

[sacred ginkgo]

Re reading redemption’s rules and remembering how cool they are

[arctic talon]

It’s good, it’s very cool as an oath

Thematically

[queen laurel]

ok the abusive father strat works

[sacred ginkgo]

Damage sponge

[queen laurel]

regaining half of your key points by drinking alcohol is funny

[sacred ginkgo]

5.5 monk can do that with just will

[queen laurel]

which is good honestly because

They kind of sucked

[sacred ginkgo]

5.5 monk is such a massive improvement

[arctic talon]

5.5e monk is good

5.5e ranger is uh

Better I guess

Poor ranger

Bad in every dnd derived system

And dnd itself

/hj

[sacred ginkgo]

Except for bg3

Where gloomstalker just fucking kills stuff for reasons

[queen laurel]

also barbarian is better

they have added some improvements and much needed things on the guy

[sacred ginkgo]

Perception check with strength is still hilarious

[arctic talon]

That’s because stealth is fucking stupid in BG3 LOL

[sacred ginkgo]

“I get mad and flex hard and it scares people enough that I can see them while hiding”

[arctic talon]

I CAN SEE WITH MY MUSCLES

[queen laurel]

if khorne taught you anything you could literally just force the air to tell them where they are so

by flexing so hard you communicate with the very winds

[arctic talon]

My favorite Paladin oath is either vengeance or redemption

Tbh

Both are fluff things I really like

[sacred ginkgo]

I want to actually run a high level redemption paladin

Just to see how well it works to just fully lean into being a sponge

[arctic talon]

No one is allowed to die

[sacred ginkgo]

Need to actually check their support spell list now

[queen laurel]

what supplement is path of the giant barbarians

[sacred ginkgo]

Giant is Fighter I think

Yeah rune knight or whatever

[arctic talon]

I think it’s one of the bigby books

Lol

[queen laurel]

i see

[arctic talon]

They picked an obscure one

[queen laurel]

Bigby Presents - Glory of the Giants

that's the one

i looked into it

[sacred ginkgo]

That would explain why I don’t know about it

[arctic talon]

Lol

Random ass book

Surprised they didn’t pick zealot

[queen laurel]

hey wolf what is larger large or huge

[arctic talon]

That’s like the generic funny one

[sacred ginkgo]

New zealot is amazing

[arctic talon]

Huge

[sacred ginkgo]

What if we made barbarian even harder to kill

[arctic talon]

Zealot in general

Is such a funny path

Easier to come back

harder to kill

[sacred ginkgo]

They removed the revive thing in new zealot

[arctic talon]

Really?

Damn

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Ah well

[sacred ginkgo]

They get a d12 healing pool though

[arctic talon]

Oh

[sacred ginkgo]

And a lot of other cool shit

[arctic talon]

Oh my god lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah besides I don't think there are other choices are gonna be great

[sacred ginkgo]

World tree is also cool

Infinite range

[arctic talon]

World tree is really cool

I like Storm Herald

Even if its

[sacred ginkgo]

Zealot refuses to die under all circumstances

[arctic talon]

Dying is for cowards

[sacred ginkgo]

Because they just get handed a healing pool larger than their fucking hit dice

[queen laurel]

wait

what is path of the Juggernaut

[arctic talon]

Idfk

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh yeah rage beyond death got turned into a form

[queen laurel]

it's a very specific one i'll tell ya

[arctic talon]

different game edition

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh it’s a Critical Role class

[arctic talon]

Oh lol

[sacred ginkgo]

This was grog I think

[queen laurel]

Yeah I'm currently looking at it and this guys entire MO is literally not moving

[arctic talon]

Raven queen’s lore in 5e is fun. I like the idea of some random Elf deciding fuck the gods arguments I’m going to become one to get them to stop

And then she fucking explodes

Lol

Much better then her 4e stuff

[queen laurel]

i'm gonna be honest giant is a better choice than something like battlerager

My God how is that thing still a thing

[arctic talon]

Idfk

Ask wotc

[queen laurel]

honestly they have a lot of good choices now BG three looking at them

path of the beast path of the zealot

[arctic talon]

It’s the only race locked subclass

[queen laurel]

but path of the giant

[arctic talon]

In 5e lol

[queen laurel]

dwarf yeah

[arctic talon]

Since they generified blade singer

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh i forgot about that stupid class

[arctic talon]

Bladesinger used to be high elf only

Lol

[celest dome]

It's the Dwarf spiky armour, they're fun in the books

[sacred ginkgo]

Isn’t it in like the Storm Coast book or something

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s in sword coast

It’s like purple dragon knight/banneret

[sacred ginkgo]

The book that has 4 subclasses

It’s purple knight, undying warlock, storm sorcerer, and battle rager

Unless I missed one

[queen laurel]

hey carpet did they not touch totem warrior barb?

[sacred ginkgo]

Wild Heart?

[arctic talon]

The monk one

Uh

[sacred ginkgo]

I don’t remember all of wild hearts individual traits

[arctic talon]

In any case meh

I think that it’s weird they kept it dwarf only

[arctic talon]

After getting rid of the rest of the race locked stuff

[queen laurel]

You can choose an animal spirit to get their traits

[sacred ginkgo]

That’s modern wild heart

I know cause it has nerfed bear

[queen laurel]

Are you talking about 5E?

[sacred ginkgo]

5.5

[queen laurel]

are you talking about the traits for

wild heart 5e

[sacred ginkgo]

Hold on

[celest dome]

I remember a homebrewed Barbarian sub class that was basically Barbarian but Ogre Slaughtermaster

Where the rage needed you to bite or ingest meat

[sacred ginkgo]

Ok I have them both open you are currently looking at 5.5 wild heart

[celest dome]

And got a couple of bite rage attack

[queen laurel]

i forgot they changed it from the totem warrior

wild heart used to be totem warrior

[arctic talon]

Nah

It was uh

Wait

[sacred ginkgo]

I know

[arctic talon]

I’m too tired for this shit

[sacred ginkgo]

Same

Ok so they made it more than 3 animals

It’s a new set of 3 every tier

[arctic talon]

I hope Lancer gets the rest of its field guides released someday

[sacred ginkgo]

I just want to play it

[arctic talon]

Oof

[sacred ginkgo]

But I have no friends I could coerce to play it

[arctic talon]

Unfortunate

[sacred ginkgo]

It would be a task just to get them to sit down for dnd

[queen laurel]

does lancer only have two expansions

[arctic talon]

No

It has a ton lol

[queen laurel]

like not including the campaigns

[arctic talon]

Oh

Excluding campaigns

[sacred ginkgo]

Let alone some lesser known system

[queen laurel]

yeah things that add new mechs

And from my current checking

there's only two

[arctic talon]

Oh

Campaigns add new mechs

Lol

[celest dome]

Forcibly kidnap people from here

[queen laurel]

wait for real

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Every lancer narrative campaign except for solstice rain

Has new mech frames

[queen laurel]

the only ones i have right now are karakin trade, the original corebook and long rim

time to check the other ones again

[arctic talon]

My favorite Harrison armory mech frame comes from a narrative campaign

[sacred ginkgo]

Which is it

[arctic talon]

Gilgamesh, which is from Winter scar

My favorite Horus mech is base game(Pegasus)

[sacred ginkgo]

Pegasus is just silly

[arctic talon]

My favorite Smith Shimano mech is Monarch

Pegasus is hilarious

https://preview.redd.it/po8n2q1oreb91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=012be94ea47c2df654235fe7ff86e932241dee06

[sacred ginkgo]

The flavor description of its core just turning into a causality ramble then cutting off

[queen laurel]

so every narrative campaign, except soltice

has a new mech

[arctic talon]

xtuallynsolstice might have it

[arctic talon]

Multiple

Lol

[queen laurel]

aight I'm blaming you for my lancer setting addiction

[dusky scroll]

I heard a theory that says, Big E isn't who he says he is. He is actually a machine, a relic from the Age of Technology pretending to be a man.

How.... plausible is it? Has anything actually been hinted in that direction?

[arctic talon]

Also solstice rain does have it

[arctic talon]

It’s impossible because we get a flashback

To the Tower of Babel being wrecked

[sacred ginkgo]

Explain the actual miracles

[arctic talon]

So he’s 100% old

[dusky scroll]

flashback? Towel of Babel?

[arctic talon]

Ollanious

The emperor and some other perpetuals and normal m people

Destroyed the Tower of Babel

From thr bible

It was built with enuncia in 40k

[arctic talon]

Drink deep and descend

[dusky scroll]

Like how Dark Eldar gave birth to Slaanesh, sheer worship and zealotry of Imperium concocting into things happening? Like, if you keep on generating random numbers, you can end up with a pattern somewhere, by pure chance.

[sacred ginkgo]

I need to look at getting the non core stuff

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being

The emperor isn’t from the daot

He’s old as shit

[dusky scroll]

I.... have to google that one. Don't have knowledge on Bible.

[arctic talon]

It’s just a big tower

[sacred ginkgo]

There’s far to many actual miracles or instances of people powered by him to explain via monkeys on a typewriter or belief power

[arctic talon]

But in 40k it was built with weird warp language

[celest dome]

I wonder when (not if) we will see Enuncia in Munda

[arctic talon]

Also solstice rain had a new mech

It’s GMS so it’s starter technically

[arctic talon]

Prolly if Helots get more

Imo

[queen laurel]

ok narratives basically have subclasses is what you're saying

[arctic talon]

No

[full obsidian]

isnt it just because the emperor is a super powerful psyker whos power is still manifesting through those miracles

[arctic talon]

They have full classes lol

[sacred ginkgo]

What would an alternative for the Everest even look like

[queen laurel]

no i mean it's like variant frames and stuff

[arctic talon]

They have unique licenses

[queen laurel]

Being the subclass

[dusky scroll]

Exactly how common are they? I thought they were like, once in a century thing

[arctic talon]

It has subclasses and actual classes

[arctic talon]

The chromogula is a hacker focused one

[celest dome]

Well if Miracles are just things that happen due to the Warp, and faith or Psyker abilities, it might not even be tied to the physical form of the Emperor 🤷

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah I guessed

[arctic talon]

No room for a wall flower and solstice rain both have a GMS one

[sacred ginkgo]

But Everest still has average systems stats right

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Everest is the Jack of all trades

The other gms mech is the sargamatha

Which is a tank/support mech

And also a sec com war machine

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh neat role triangle design for starters

[arctic talon]

So moral baggage aside of being made by actual facists you know it’s been tested a lot lol

Sagarmatha is really cool since you can repair struct as a 1 to 1 during repairs

So you can play really recklessly

[sacred ginkgo]

Isn’t that an Everest base feature too

[arctic talon]

It is actually yeah

I forgor

But you can use sargamatha as hard cover

Which is a fun thing

[queen laurel]

what differentiates A lancer setting in a lancer narrative

because i know narratives are basically stories

[arctic talon]

A lancer setting is way more broad

Lol

A narrative is a campaign module + some lore

[queen laurel]

oh it's like a major like very big expansion or something

while narratives are basically smaller

[arctic talon]

Though the line is somewhat blurred now

With the latest one

In any case the lancer settings are bigger and have more in them

The campaigns aren’t as broad

[queen laurel]

good too know

[summer mural]

thatd look so good in a videogame

[queen laurel]

yeah lancer is great

[summer mural]

whats a good mech game besides ac6

steam keeps throwing mechabellum at me, but I dunno if thats good or tbh, cant decide

[celest dome]

Hawken is good, though not on Steam anymore, think someone has the links for it here

[raven stone]

Hi chat

Got lost in Xcom2 WOTC lately

[summer mural]

awesome

one of my fav games of all time

try chaosgate if you havent

its an xcom style game but with grey knights

[languid meadow]

It's pretty good the only part I found miserable was ||the survival on the craft world|| I don't like those types of missions in these games

[queen laurel]

@arctic talon if you see this, i think i might replace Zhenge

didn't know blackbeard can be the IPS-N
EMPAKAAI

[raven stone]

I confess part of my fun was creating a full list of 45 Soldiers - 43 of which have modded voice lines - from various media for use.

(You kind of DO need that many if you want the majority of starting roster to have the unique voices)

[summer mural]

i just need XCOM 3 already

please firaxis

companies are literally making xcom style games all the time

just make xcom 3

admittedly, I kinda liked the combat in midnight suns, which is also a firaxis game with similar xcom combat aspects

but just do xcom 3

[raven stone]

We very much need to know what is coming from the bottom of the Ocean XD.

Chimera Squad can be an interquel or an alt timeline, fans don't mind or care - we need full blown XCOM 3 indeed.

I mean. One of the DLC missions imply there is a massive hibernating swarm of Chryssalids to deal with...

[summer mural]

yes

xcom in the lore does deal with lovecraftian cthulu things from the depths

which is what the aliens were "allegedly" prepping to deal with

its even captured in phoenix point, which is another xcom style game made by one of xcoms founders

but that game aint made by firaxis per se, and is not very good

Chaosgate is great though, really scratches that xcom itch, and its good 40k stuff

[tough haven]

Unfortunately, space marine game

Otherwise I’d love it

[summer mural]

but Purgator