40k-lore-chat

[bold veldt]

the Imperium could not flush out that level of tech

it exists

but hell no

[arctic talon]

We do not, from the way she’s taking she got dragged out to do this

Now granted atoma isn’t too bad

It’s in segmentum Solar

[bold veldt]

from what i know shes just conscipted by Grendyl like any other RT by an Inq

[queen laurel]

From what you have seen how bad is the corruption in your words

Of the planet

[bold veldt]

of course its not a wholly one sided agreement

she could just leave, but im pretty sure its implied she owes grendyl

and of course money is everything to a RT

[median star]

not bad enough to warrent astartes yet atleast

[arctic talon]

It is

With the uh

W&G module

The veil is FUCKED

There’s not just a tiny tear

[bold veldt]

whatever is happening with the sister city could warrant astartes actuon

[arctic talon]

There’s a fucking hole

[queen laurel]

Yeah as time goes on it's literally just gonna accelerate

[bold veldt]

or atleast a way bigger Inquisitorial strike force

[median star]

but that one tech priest did say they should just extermintus the place tbh

[bold veldt]

a Lord Inq needs to show up

[queen laurel]

We can handle it for now but it's only a matter of time before

[arctic talon]

they’re not wrong

[queen laurel]

Uh

[arctic talon]

The planet is fucked imo

[queen laurel]

We're essentially fighting a losing fight huh

[arctic talon]

Also a uh, a maybe

[bold veldt]

to avoid overwhelming loss of resources, typical Admech tho

[arctic talon]

||GUO|| gets summoned

In the wrath and glory module for Darktide

Lol

[bold veldt]

okay might be out of the loop with this question BUT

[queen laurel]

Wait do you think that ritual we stopped in the new mission was summoning a demon

[bold veldt]

wtf is wrath and glory

[arctic talon]

It’s a ttrpg

[bold veldt]

most def

[queen laurel]

Warhammer tabletop rpg

[arctic talon]

They released a mini campaign

For Darktide

[bold veldt]

ahh

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's also the most easiest warhammer tabletop rpg

[arctic talon]

You get a mission from grendyl

[queen laurel]

Right alongside soulbound

[arctic talon]

And you get to uh

Do stuff

And then it culminates with the cultists summoning a fucking ||great unclean one maybe, or a massive daemon||

[bold veldt]

favorite theory on Grendyl: they aren’t one person, but a collective

[queen laurel]

You also don't know soulbound it's for age of sigmar

[arctic talon]

That’s a fun one

[arctic talon]

That I like tbh

[median star]

i dont see what else they couldve been trying to do

[bold veldt]

think about it

there could have been an og Grendyl

but

the utter level of secrecy is immense

from what we know, theres no leaks either

[arctic talon]

I think grendyl is many people as well

[queen laurel]

Ya honestly maybe that wasn't a ritual to bring back one of the twins but a ritual to summon a greater demon

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Considering they managed to get

Whatever the fuck that thing was through

And into real space

There’s a big hole in the veil

[bold veldt]

Rinda coming back to haunt the warband was a good sign she could be used as a champion offering

and as we see, the cult of admonition thought that as well

[arctic talon]

Rodin was def being used as a sacrifice

Or ritual conduit

[bold veldt]

the Karnaks had relatively stable positions under nurgle

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh neat theres an image of them I forgot about

[bold veldt]

we havent even seen Wolfer’s capabilities yet

[median star]

im wondering what the rift between dreg and scab leadership is going to cause

[sacred ginkgo]

||Its fucking cooked theres a pre nerf PBB gunlugger going at it||

[arctic talon]

Nah it would win

[bold veldt]

oh 100% the scabs are pompous bastards about it

OG 6th coming back to enlighten the massess

and they dont seem to shy away much

especially being noble blood

wink wink nudge nudge

house Margrave is definitely a main suspect in the entire Atoma prime conflict right?

[arctic talon]

Imo there was def some involvement lol

Wether or not they intended it to spiral like this

[bold veldt]

they dont exactly come off as not sus

[queen laurel]

I swear to god if we somehow fight a great unclean one

In the games

[arctic talon]

There’s def nobles involved

[bold veldt]

and their sudden spanner into the gears with the commissar

[arctic talon]

House margrave could be bait

[bold veldt]

somehow taking leadership over an inquisitorial warband

[arctic talon]

Tbh if it’s done like the fight in the module that would be cool

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh some of the skilltree art ended up in the book

[arctic talon]

More of a set piece

Yeah

The book reuses some art

[queen laurel]

That is true using the environment to take one out should be fine

[sacred ginkgo]

I didn't notice my first read

[arctic talon]

It reuses some imperium maledictum art lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Or more accurately

It was 2 in the morning and I couldn't remember shit

[bold veldt]

Melk works for Brahms? right?

same as hallowette?

im also a little put off that we dont get to see more of that one clean fellow in the trailer

guy that looks up to Brahms on the bridge

[sacred ginkgo]

Probably some random deck officer

[bold veldt]

he had clean drip

he has to be important

everyone else is stuck with a bland uniform

[winged jacinth]

he's the official skull polisher

[arctic talon]

Melk is inqusitorial

[bold veldt]

righto

[sacred ginkgo]

What trailer was it

[arctic talon]

He deals with wyrmwood stuff

[bold veldt]

assumed cause he makes the contracts

[winged jacinth]

Melk is an alpha legion infiltrator

[bold veldt]

opening game trailer, dunno what it’d be exactly

[bold veldt]

Deathrow?? is that you?!

[winged jacinth]

im not sure anyone besides hallowette is part of the normal crew

[arctic talon]

It’s just her

[sacred ginkgo]

Melk is a puppet who is controller by Bardin, who is hiding behind the counter and putting on a caricature of Lohner

[arctic talon]

For that area lol

[bold veldt]

besides.. the crew

[winged jacinth]

yeah but they dont have names they arent real

[bold veldt]

but yea that area is sectioned off for the warband

thats a good example that brahms still has some power

she allows us on the ship

but it isnt the warbands ship

[winged jacinth]

its fun to think that based on lore and the RT game there's thousands and thousands of engineer serfs belowdecks that probably have no idea whats going on

[arctic talon]

This dude?

[bold veldt]

yes

[arctic talon]

He looks like some sort of bridge officer

[bold veldt]

DRIPPED out

his little look to Brahms makes me feel hes important

[sacred ginkgo]

Looks like the grand factorum or something

[arctic talon]

Also wtf Brahms has a fucking grenade

Around her waist lol

[winged jacinth]

and yeah its clear that brahms is doing grendyl a favor, albiet unhappily

[arctic talon]

We dunno if the job is split for Brahms dynasty

[bold veldt]

average RT

[arctic talon]

Hallowette could fulfill both

Wait that’s her hand nvm

[sacred ginkgo]

Or its just some high deck officer

That looks like a psyker outfit

[winged jacinth]

he might just be nobility so he gets to dress up too

you never know

[bold veldt]

hallowette working under a RT and still secretly smuggling shit in the ship is hilarious

[winged jacinth]

oh hallowettes operations arent secret from brahms

[bold veldt]

and.. also to Morrow..?

[bold veldt]

that part is.. a “secret”

wonder what he asked her to smuggle on

no way Rannick doesnt know of it tho

[arctic talon]

Well it’s her job

Gotta make cash

[winged jacinth]

shes trading for brahms in a rogueish fashion

[bold veldt]

also, for all intents and purposes, Rannick is definitely running the show, even if Morrow doesnt like him

[arctic talon]

Even during a time like this lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Its the inquisition and a rogue trader they both have a paper signed by god saying they can do whatever the fuck

[arctic talon]

Yeah

LOL

[winged jacinth]

oh yeah rannick is the top of the chain

[arctic talon]

Rannick is def in charge of the inqusitorial group as a whole

[bold veldt]

in the case of the RT game, a giant fuck off god’s blanket of a paper

[winged jacinth]

the only person who could possibly countermand him besides grendyl is brahms

[bold veldt]

and thats with ship related stuff

[winged jacinth]

hes the senior interrogator

[bold veldt]

on tbe ground hes boss

[arctic talon]

Tbh I’d assume Brahms just

Doesn’t get involved

[winged jacinth]

i assume she tries her hardest not to yeah

[arctic talon]

She has very little reason to mess with the warband

[bold veldt]

brahms is only involved with her ship

keeping the rejects in their playarea

[arctic talon]

And her money

[bold veldt]

keeping the Moebians away

[sacred ginkgo]

Brahms should just go down and solo like a real rogue trader

[bold veldt]

and getting Paid.

[arctic talon]

Lol

Nah she’s running noble officer

[winged jacinth]

the less she gets involved with the chaos happening below the less chance of her ship going to hell so she lets hallowette do some skimming

[arctic talon]

She’s gotta bring Hallowette

[sacred ginkgo]

Von Valancius wouldn't be taking that shit from a traitor regiment

Or any of the other expanse traders

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Calligos and Incendia both

[winged jacinth]

atoma is uh, a more cosmopolitan region than the expanse as it were

[arctic talon]

Are a bit loopy

[sacred ginkgo]

Insane

[bold veldt]

speaking of her keeping the Moebians away, have you all seen the unlisted youtube vox clip of a “Wyrmwood agent” contacting Mourningstar and denying any access code?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Well

Thats Melk isn’t it

The fucking I am a wyrmwood agent

[bold veldt]

tis her ship

Melk is def in charge of vox reports tho

him being The wyrmwood

“You fool. 10 seconds longer and they’d have tracked the Mourningstars position in orbit!”

[winged jacinth]

its so unclear what the orbit situation is lol

[bold veldt]

1. its space, no way they cant just look up and find jt
2. so much for encrypted vox

encrypted vox means next to nothing

ALSO

[winged jacinth]

after the dark age of technology they lost all encryption besides the ceasar cypher

[bold veldt]

apparently by that vox clip, ALL wyrmwoods are out of action

either too scared to surface or dead

the former is VERY MUCH worse than the LATTER

[winged jacinth]

but yeah you really cant hide anything in space lol

[bold veldt]

hey actually

you can

if sight travelled in space that easily we’d see everything

[sacred ginkgo]

Its like dropping a bearing on a blanket

Its there

[bold veldt]

and id assume theres several ships in orbit

several dozen

[sacred ginkgo]

But where the fuck is it I had it 2 seconds ago

[winged jacinth]

stuff is just really far away there's nothing obstructing you

[bold veldt]

theres vox talking about ship cordons, fighter squadrons, stuff like that

[winged jacinth]

we dont know a lot about the imperium's astronomy capabilities though

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah theres nothing obstructing you but you're also searching an utterly massive area

[bold veldt]

and brahms is a fucking RT, no way she DOESNT have some kind of scramble tech

not including possible equipment gifted by Grendyl-and-gang

and Mourningstar is baby small, wouldnt be impossible to hide

[sacred ginkgo]

"Baby small" 14 kilometers long

or 1.4

can't rember

[bold veldt]

its not a huge ship by any means

[winged jacinth]

its bigger than most asteroids

1.4 i think

its a frigate

which in 40k are bigger than destroyers for some reason

[bold veldt]

ah 40k i love you

life is too simple to have 40k make sense

tis the world we liveth in

[winged jacinth]

i have to assume someone fucked it up way back when, maybe with the first release of battlefleet gothic

[bold veldt]

why wouldnt the size of something vary from your big toenail to a 2 story building

[sacred ginkgo]

This is the RT ship but they're the same class

I think

[winged jacinth]

40k is funny in how sometimes it's got pretty realistic scales and sometimes they're nonsense, and sometimes that varies for things writer to writer lol

[bold veldt]

i think im taking Ravenor too much to heart..

crew of 20😭

[winged jacinth]

few scifi settings would crew a 1.6km ship with 26000 people

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats estimated people btw

Round up to 30000

[winged jacinth]

i think ravenors crew flies around in a jumped up gunship

[bold veldt]

id say 32k

[sacred ginkgo]

That extra 4k probably isn't crew but they're there

[winged jacinth]

its been a while since i read them

[bold veldt]

at most he commandeers what is basically a transport shuttle lel

[winged jacinth]

i assume its approximate because its been a while since the last census lol

[bold veldt]

i think it was a crew of.. 80?

[winged jacinth]

and there's births and deaths to account for

[bold veldt]

mightve been 40

[sacred ginkgo]

and also the uhh

Several

Ship endangering events

[bold veldt]

if we thinking of Eisenhorn, its more accurate to say 2 crew

iykyk

living crew

[winged jacinth]

eisenhorn literally flies around in a gunship everywhere too lol

[bold veldt]

he befriends a RT thats basically a robot

and his whole crew is servitors

minus the navigator

[winged jacinth]

oh yeah that guy!

[bold veldt]

2 crew lel

shot lasers out of a ring

[rose thorn]

Never read siege of Terra never will

[winged jacinth]

he was cool that was the first time i read about digiweapons and learned about the awesome alien orangutan engineers

[bold veldt]

oh.. okay

[winged jacinth]

i dont have time to read the siege of terra

[bold veldt]

ive read most of it

[winged jacinth]

i could read the whole malazan book of the fallen series again

[bold veldt]

minus TEaTD vol 2-3

[winged jacinth]

still cant believe they split that shit into three parts

[rose thorn]

Isn’t SoT siege of Terra

[bold veldt]

yes

[winged jacinth]

they cant do that to dan

[rose thorn]

I haven’t read it I wouldn’t know

[bold veldt]

what

[rose thorn]

That they talk about gas planets

[winged jacinth]

no one could have written something that wasnt an endless slog if they were forced to stretch the events over 3 books lol

[rose thorn]

In the book series

[bold veldt]

oh right

[bold veldt]

Hey, respect Dan

he has a slight obsession with bodysuits

thats all

[winged jacinth]

im saying its impossible even for him

[bold veldt]

Dan wrote a 13 book series

which he plans on continuing

[winged jacinth]

yeah but they're about different stuff

[bold veldt]

with no story plotholes

[winged jacinth]

they made him write 3 books about one event we already knew the broad strokes of

[bold veldt]

i feel bad for Dan

[winged jacinth]

of course its going to feel like its slowed down they've got him writing xianxia

paid by the word

[bold veldt]

i remember hes told a few fans he was almost done with Pandemonium, but has to wait for the green light after the tv show comes out

cause pandemonium is that crucial to 40k’s story

mindblowing

[rose thorn]

Sorry for seemingly like a dick I just finished a paper 45 minutes before it’s due

[bold veldt]

he said he wanted to get back to gaunts ghosts tho, happy about that cause the victory part 2 is a shit ending

[bold veldt]

no harm no foul

maybe im 40k biased but i think gaunts ghosts has a shit ending cause its happy

“happy”

character casually having an identity crisis

[winged jacinth]

the tanith get shit on every book for the whole book

i havent read all of them only 10 or 11

[bold veldt]

i.. have

[winged jacinth]

the first 3 omnibusses

[bold veldt]

300 dollars on old prints later

[winged jacinth]

most of the books i own are 40k books for some reason

[bold veldt]

e-books are cheaper but i love paper

[bold veldt]

99.99% are 40k for me

[winged jacinth]

i have 5 abnett omnibusses

[bold veldt]

i have been reading this fantasy series by Brent Weeks tho

its good

[winged jacinth]

(eisenhorn, ravenor, gaunts 1-3)

[bold veldt]

yes

i have all 3

of the series’

teehee?

[winged jacinth]

thats like 15 books or so

[sacred ginkgo]

I have a problem and am rereading The Wheel of Time

[winged jacinth]

i guess i own almost that many culture books after inheriting those

[bold veldt]

yes.. barelt scratches the surface of my entire collection

i have 85+ from maybe 5-6 years

roughly 2k+ in expenses

[winged jacinth]

besides warhammer 40k, The Culture, Earthsea, and some misc scifi (shoutout ringworld) most of the rest of my books are technical

[bold veldt]

the ONLY book (and i mean only) that i can not make myself finish, is Space Wolf Omnibus

cant do it

[winged jacinth]

i have all 4 of Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming

[bold veldt]

ive made an oath atp to never pick that book up again

pains me too much

[winged jacinth]

you know i think theres 5 of these my box set stops at combinatorial algorithms part 1

[bold veldt]

ive had slogs with certain pov’s in a story but jts just not good

[bold veldt]

gib

gib now

i need to master C++

[winged jacinth]

im not even a professional programmer anymore im going into biochemistry

Knuth doesnt use any C++ these are too old for that

[bold veldt]

im barely skimming the programming ladder, im jn love

only caveat is i hate math

first genuine skill issue ill ever admit to

[winged jacinth]

you honestly dont need that much math for most programming

[crystal forum]

dont worry most programers are stupid

[winged jacinth]

unless you do graphics or stuff like that

[bold veldt]

yes thankfully

just formulas really

[winged jacinth]

i have a couple of C++ books but it was never a language i put effort into learning

[bold veldt]

C++ looks like my 15th reason why

[winged jacinth]

i know many other languages that are less messy

[bold veldt]

im learning Java in school

[crystal forum]

why

[winged jacinth]

java is a good language to start out with

[arctic talon]

C++ is fine

lol

[crystal forum]

who tf still uses java

[arctic talon]

some companies

lol

some shit is still using COBOL

[bold veldt]

my hs..

[winged jacinth]

C++ is fine if you stick with the standard but some of the libraries out there....

[crystal forum]

yeah but java isn't like a bank language

[arctic talon]

(hell)

[winged jacinth]

kinda like asking "who still uses pascal" nobody its just good for teaching in

[bold veldt]

im an utter novice these are all runic languages to me

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

banks do

see thats a good answer

[arctic talon]

bank language == hell

lol

[crystal forum]

but java doesnt get use in banks

so why tf is it still used

[bold veldt]

its simple..?

[winged jacinth]

because its good for teaching in

[crystal forum]

i find C++ to be pretty simple

[arctic talon]

It establishes a decent basis

is why

[bold veldt]

but long

[winged jacinth]

it handles a lot of bullshit for you and forces some good habits

[crystal forum]

the low level stuff at least

[bold veldt]

C++ looks like a lot more complicated action than java

[crystal forum]

anyways all languages are just a road that leads to python

[winged jacinth]

speaking as someone who learned on java then followed it up with maybe 10 other languages

[arctic talon]

me rn

https://tenor.com/view/cs-gif-4140387665861345557

tbh

[crystal forum]

just learn to code bro

[bold veldt]

gotta keep telling ourselves itll get good in 10 yrs🙏🏻

[arctic talon]

I picked this major because I liked coding

[winged jacinth]

i worked for 10 years in the field and then switched careers instead of going back to finish my bachelors lmao

[arctic talon]

now the industry is on fire

[crystal forum]

6 figure salary for debugging

[arctic talon]

LOL

and college has slowly sucked out my soul

[crystal forum]

some might say it was always in a bubble

[winged jacinth]

i also liked coding

[bold veldt]

i wanna be cyber security because im still young and naive and innocent

[arctic talon]

Cybersec is cool

[winged jacinth]

doing it for work took a lot of the fun out of it you write a lot of boring fuckin code

cybersec is indeed cool, but HARD

[crystal forum]

work coding made me hate coding

[arctic talon]

yeah

[bold veldt]

jokes on you i like boring fuckin code

[arctic talon]

College is smoothing my brain out

[winged jacinth]

my friend taught me return oriented programming that shit is wacko

[arctic talon]

/hj

I had to take a cybersec class

shit was brutal lol

[crystal forum]

i thought all cybersecurity did was issue id badges and mess with the firewall

[bold veldt]

i want to spend 8 hours on a project just to see it all crumple away in the millisecond it takes my computer to process it

[crystal forum]

they do a lot but why is it a college degree

[winged jacinth]

hacking used to be so easy

[bold veldt]

when.. before it was taught online for free?

[winged jacinth]

now you have to either find a big fat gaping wound or be a genius

before stack canaries and shit

[crystal forum]

do you need to go to college to learn about computer security though

[winged jacinth]

it depends on what kind

network security, no

[bold veldt]

just be a real cybersec learner and steal the lessons online

[winged jacinth]

encryption/software security yeah

[bold veldt]

impress the unimpressed

[winged jacinth]

partly because no one will hire you without a degree in the field

[bold veldt]

for anytbing

[crystal forum]

it's very important work but like a bachelors is for learning science

[winged jacinth]

now i get to leverage my programming skills to do science which is actually fun

i learned R in 3 hours

working on regression models of water quality in urban stream systems

[bold veldt]

since i seem to have found likeminded individuals.. any tips on it? atleast as a career path? what i should look out for/avoid?

[arctic talon]

uh

[bold veldt]

other than Java if im listening to that guy lol

[winged jacinth]

do independent projects and put them on github

or contribute to projects

[arctic talon]

hackathons if you can

[bold veldt]

?

[arctic talon]

oh also make connections

[winged jacinth]

get good at databases

[arctic talon]

only internships I've gotten were because I cheated knew someone

[winged jacinth]

networking is important for everything unfortunately

networking socially

[bold veldt]

lots of phone calls?

sorry

emails

[crystal forum]

networking is 95% of getting a job

knowing things isnt important

[winged jacinth]

get involved in groups and stuff doing things in the field

[bold veldt]

okay im confuzzled

computer career.. in the field?

[winged jacinth]

like the field of computer science

[bold veldt]

right

[crystal forum]

that's how you should be doing computer science

[winged jacinth]

the industry

[crystal forum]

hands on is always best

njobody gives a shit about school work sometimes

[bold veldt]

actually thats good advice for anytbing

book learning is useless

prioritize application of knowledge

[winged jacinth]

ideally you'll build a portfolio on guthub and get connected by working alongside people

[bold veldt]

the doing, not the knowing

[winged jacinth]

a lot of degree programs produce bad programmers who only know theory

kinda sad

[winter vessel]

I mean, i'd argue knowing the subject is still vital to a degree

[bold veldt]

of course

[crystal forum]

it's just how the work sector sees it. i'd rather hire a genius with very little hands on experience since that person can learn a lot

[winter vessel]

s'how my in law managed to land a 411 job

[crystal forum]

but they want immediate return on investment, ie as little training as possible

which means hands on experience

[bold veldt]

internship but no internship?

[winged jacinth]

until someone gets hands on experience theres really no evidence they're a genius anyway

[crystal forum]

i think you can tell sometimes

[bold veldt]

guilty till proven innocent

or

ig innocent till proven guilty works too

[crystal forum]

some people i know can do insane theoretical stuff but arent good in application

[winged jacinth]

i think my real actionable advice is learn SQL really good it will always be useful

im biased as a former DBA

[bold veldt]

from just what im learning right now, which is extremely basic shit. i feel i can succeed more when im actually putting it together, than trying to plan or think it out.. if that makes sense

that goes for almost anything tbh

[winged jacinth]

yeah i just go on stuff if it's simple enough

[bold veldt]

im not good at hypothesizing stuff, or planning. if i can get right to it the better

[winged jacinth]

i'll plan if i care about performance or if the task is truly complex

[crystal forum]

jobs just want proof that you can do basic things. if you want to do projects dont worry about making sure it's the best thing ever made

[winged jacinth]

i've had to write high-perf code for databases and asynchronous code for data retrieval and both of those required pre-planning

[bold veldt]

can i phone a friend with all this vocab..

[winged jacinth]

but that was like spending time at a whiteboard drawing out schemas and planning common queries

[bold veldt]

im a year into basic java im strugglin

[crystal forum]

i absolutely wowed my last job's interview just by doing basic optic fiber manipulations lol

[winged jacinth]

asynchronous code is code that doesnt run in a single linear fashion

[bold veldt]

righto

glad i assumed right

[crystal forum]

program a robot or something

when you interview you can bring that up

just buy a sparkfun kit

[bold veldt]

i shouldve started doing at home shit months ago but im a little swamped rn to start

[winged jacinth]

my high performance code had to run on a dataset that was 300 million rows long

[winter vessel]

think i knew a classmate who programmed a custom robot to flip people off with the finger

[crystal forum]

also try learning about electrical stuff. pure software knowledge is fucking useless in a lot of sectors

[sacred ginkgo]

Or join an FRC team

[winged jacinth]

i did FRC years ago!

ironically as a mechanic

[bold veldt]

frc?

[winged jacinth]

FIRST robotics championship

[sacred ginkgo]

First Robotic Competition

[bold veldt]

i see

[sacred ginkgo]

You build non combat competition robots

[winged jacinth]

my team went to worlds the year i was driving, we were allowed to hit each other back then

[bold veldt]

does “non-combat” have to be specified there

[winged jacinth]

go 492 baby

[crystal forum]

there are better places for battle bots

[winged jacinth]

last i checked you're not even allowed on the other half of the field these days

[crystal forum]

arguably the best kind of robots

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk I think most people assume battlebots when they hear robot competition

[winged jacinth]

our FRC robot played frisbee

[bold veldt]

personally the whole robotics thing doesnt really interest me much

[crystal forum]

guh

[winged jacinth]

we had a fully articulated turret

[bold veldt]

sorry for teh shot to the heart there

[sacred ginkgo]

Ehh its not for everyone

[crystal forum]

i love mechanical and electrical

coding is my plague

[winged jacinth]

it wasnt as good as the idea i had pitched day 1 which was a tower bot that sat at a feed chute and launched directly into a goal

[sacred ginkgo]

It becomes a part time job very quickly in january and febuary through march to april if your team's good

[bold veldt]

ill write the code that makes the shit work, you can build it

[winged jacinth]

i learned how to machine aluminum doing FRC

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah you can do that

[bold veldt]

im kind of splitting my learning by also doing Automotive

[sacred ginkgo]

Programmers are in massive need for FRC teams

[crystal forum]

steve wozniac over there debugging the fart machine

six figure salary

[sacred ginkgo]

I learned how to do aluminum and steel

We had some fun toys in our shop

[bold veldt]

i think its also divine will that me and my friend basically won a school lottery to get into this specific auto tech class

[crystal forum]

i still have my first machine box

[bold veldt]

only 6 got accepted

[crystal forum]

it barely hinges closed

i use CNC like a civilized person now

[sacred ginkgo]

I like manual but yeah CNC is way more practical

[winged jacinth]

haha i forgot about this evil fucking javascript i wrote

[bold veldt]

i can hear the pomp

[sacred ginkgo]

If really fun to listen to for 3 hours straight in a small room

[crystal forum]

fun fact CNC uses very similar methods to 3d printing FDM

when i made the connection it became so simple

[winged jacinth]

let eo = {}
Orders.addRow( order.guid , storeID , order.openedDate , order.modifiedDate , order.promisedDate , ((order||eo).diningOption||eo).guid , ((order||eo).table||eo).guid , ((order||eo).serviceArea||eo).guid , ((order||eo).restaurantService||eo).guid , ((order||eo).revenueCenter||eo).guid , order.source , order.duration , order.estimatedFulfillmentDate , order.numberOfGuests , order.voided , order.voidDate , order.voidBusinessdate , order.paidDate , order.closedDate , order.deletedDate , order.deleted, order.businessDate , ((order||eo).server||eo).guid );```

[bold veldt]

tasty

[winged jacinth]

those Toast brand cash registers send out malformed JSON and i abused the hell out of type coercion to read it lol

[bold veldt]

ngl the extent of my learning this year has been like.. methods

theres a ton of shit, but its the basixs

[winged jacinth]

many languages, including javascript, dont actually return booleans from the boolean operators they just return arguments because its faster

[bold veldt]

[winged jacinth]

and javascript will happily evaluate any datatype as being truthy or falsy

[bold veldt]

see these words make sense

actually i think my last lesson was substrings and smtjn else

[winged jacinth]

|| returns the left argument if the left argument is truthy otherwise it returns the right argument, this has the same truth table as OR but you can do things like A || B and if A is truthy it will return A otherwise it will return B

[bold veldt]

yus

[winged jacinth]

in this case i was using it as an extremely fast way to check if parts of json objects existed before accessing their children

[bold veldt]

their what

[winged jacinth]

json properties can have child properties

[bold veldt]

ah i see

[winged jacinth]

object:{
parent:{
child1:
child2:
}
}

[bold veldt]

am i wrong for thinking substrings are just running a piece of string as an array

cause thats waht its doing

[winged jacinth]

in this case if you try to access say child1 and parent is null it throws an exception

strings are arrays usually

they'll be arrays of chars or bytes or whatever under the hood

[bold veldt]

also i hate how it starts at 0

[winged jacinth]

get used to that!

[bold veldt]

my teacher brought up using char and said
“do. not. use. this.”

[winged jacinth]

think of it as "how far down the object do i have to go"

[bold veldt]

oh yea i understand it

just was kinda hard at the start

suddenly counting from 0 up not 1

[crystal forum]

you have no idea how long it took me to figure out what parsing meant

[winged jacinth]

in old school languages you'd have each element be a fixed width and you'd have a starting address, and then you'd move n times the width down to get element n

so 0 moved no distance and picked up the first element

java doesnt make you do pointer arithmetic, you can be glad for that

i dont know if parsing entered my vocabulary before or after i started programming

[bold veldt]

okay why can i not replicate code

brainfart

[winged jacinth]

my fuckin bete noire in coding right now is text encoding

[bold veldt]

..parsecs right, like star wars

lol

[winged jacinth]

i cannot get python to stop inserting nonprinting code points between every fucking character

parsing is... unexpectedly hard to define succinctly

its the act of processing data into an understandable format

[bold veldt]

sounds simple ‘nough

[winged jacinth]

you might parse a text file into individual words stored in arrays for example

the actual implications of what can be parsed into what get kind of complex

read about tokenizers sometime

[crystal forum]

tokens are cool

[bold veldt]

so.. for example, if i took 1 string with 2 words. is parsing just breaking those words into separate strings?

[crystal forum]

during my first job i had to figure out how to write code lines on a micro sd card so an arduino could parse values into a stepper motor

[winged jacinth]

That's a form of parsing

Its a very abstract action

[bold veldt]

i think i understand a little better

[crystal forum]

i made a string of values with tokens in between each one that was taken and plugged into the corresponding stepper motor directions

speed, acceleration and direction

[winged jacinth]

When you compile code your compiler parses everything you wrote into machine code

A couple weeks ago i wrote code that parses data logs from scientific equipment into a csv file

[crystal forum]

this is the kind of coding i can wrap my head around. stuff that has direct use cases

[bold veldt]

yes

[crystal forum]

i dont get high level software

[bold veldt]

clear end goal for practical use

[winged jacinth]

I keep poking at this fucking thing and unicode is evil

Good thing excel seems to know what to do with it

[crystal forum]

■

[bold veldt]

a recent thing i learned alongside methods was instance variables.. which caused a slight headache

[winged jacinth]

Scoping!

Java teaches you strict scoping which is one of the reasons its good for learning

[bold veldt]

speak more of your magic words wizard man

[winged jacinth]

If you declare a variable inside a code block it doesn't exist outside that block

This is not true of all languages

[bold veldt]

i see

[winged jacinth]

Or wait in java instance variables are part of the object stuff right

[bold veldt]

uhm

[winged jacinth]

this.var

[bold veldt]

yes

i believe

[winged jacinth]

Java teaches good object habits as well imo

[bold veldt]

i believe my teacher described instance vars as the dna of something

height, weight, color, speed

name

[winged jacinth]

Objects are wonderful and make many things so much simpler

I have notes due in 2 hours for a lecture that's 90 minutes long i gotta go lol

[bold veldt]

alrighty

thanks for the input tho

much appreciated

[winged jacinth]

i should be doing notes right now but i dug up some other old code and i did learn c++ apparently lol

its generally considered bad practice to write 800 line files

i guess thats not that bad actually

[shadow plover]

yeah 800 is pretty average, when you start closing in on 3000 you might want to start to reallocate stuff a bit

[winged jacinth]

it really does depend on what you're doing how it makes sense to break down the project into files

i think thats a one file wonder lol

[shadow plover]

Oh for sure, if the whole project is within that 800 lines it won't hurt separating most of it. I'm just used to working with projects where there are dozens and dozens of files and most of them are in that 600-800 line range

[opaque coyote]

merrivius' elf drawn by @noobovich

[opaque coyote]

Why do comp players always get the strays

[shadow plover]

better yet why are you sharing Wokehammer Ls, who is a turbo bigoted good for nothing piece of shit

[opaque coyote]

Because he is the L that the comp players get

The strays part are referring to guys like him

Why do comp players always get ppl like him

Goes for every comp game tbh

[shadow plover]

isn't he the one complaining about comp players here

[opaque coyote]

Nah he's complaining about the game being downgraded for comp players

Implying that GW are casualizing it or something

Or maybe I misread it

Give me a sec

Nope

No wait

No

Fuck I did misread it

Shit

He's saying that comp players are bad

[shadow plover]

he is upset that the new drop pod has always open doors which makes it a more balanced piece for comp games without the opportunity to model the kit for advantage

[opaque coyote]

Okay now that paradoxically makes me even more confused

95% of the time people who are ""anti-woke"" are usually competitive

[arctic talon]

also

this isn't even a comp thing lol

WTC and other major circuits have clearly defined stuff on drop pod sillouete

[opaque coyote]

Okay now comp players are just actually catching strays

[arctic talon]

this is entierly for those people at an LGS

well

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

at the end of the day meh

I play comp, if people hate me over it whatever lol

I also enjoy casual play LOL

so like

[opaque coyote]

Overall this caused me more brain damage

[arctic talon]

I do think the drop pod not being closeable sucks

[queen laurel]

i don't like the drop pod, but why take it out on the guys that keep the setting going because they actually buy the minis?

[opaque coyote]

0/10

[arctic talon]

but looking at it

its easy

[queen laurel]

You can just say that you don't like it and be the end of it

[arctic talon]

tbh it also is better to build as an actual kit lol

The current drop pod kit SUCKS so badly

and it sucks to run them enmass

[shadow plover]

oh definitely, the old one is terrible

[arctic talon]

I had an idea

for Heresy

and it went horribly

[opaque coyote]

Nah you gotta blame something else for a preference

[arctic talon]

I borrowed a few pods from friends + used my own pods

[shadow plover]

This kit makes me want to get a couple whereas I knew the old one is terrible so I never bothered

[arctic talon]

for that one rite of war that lets you spam pods

I uh

I couldn't fit them on the bored

*board

this wasn't a small board either lol

[arctic talon]

them coming in 2's is nice

[queen laurel]

i will say one thing it can definitely work as a great set piece

[opaque coyote]

[shadow plover]

yeah, it'll most likely mean the kit is slightly more expensive but you'll get two for cheaper than you used to

[arctic talon]

oh also

the new kit seems really easy

to make closed lol

[opaque coyote]

...wait I just realized that the website I got the image from is called NFT Calender

Ewwww

Ewww

[arctic talon]

Like you can just

Slice up

the fucking

lemme grab a photo one moment

[shadow plover]

didn't they also say the rubble is optional

[queen laurel]

was the weapon systems rules of the old pod did anything

[shadow plover]

you had a storm bolter, it's negligible

[arctic talon]

slice these free

[shadow plover]

or you could alternatively build it into a weapons only drop pod without the transport capacity

[arctic talon]

and you can make it closed

[arctic talon]

they were terrible lol

it was a single stormbolter

[arctic talon]

nah thats the death storm drop pod

[queen laurel]

yeah it was modular

[arctic talon]

which is its own kit

[shadow plover]

I thought they were the same kit

[arctic talon]

nah

deathstorm was a forgeworld kit

[shadow plover]

anyways, the storm bolter is pretty much nothing burger

[arctic talon]

The normal drop pod came with the "deathwind" launcher which uh

it was a gun I guess

[shadow plover]

was it a forge world upgrade kit, like the baneblade variant they got

[arctic talon]

12" range

[arctic talon]

yeah

lemme post what it looks like

[shadow plover]

right so there was my confusion

[opaque coyote]

I fucking hate the weird uh

Holes?

[arctic talon]

tbf

its meant to look weird

its a retrofit

the drop pod internals can be swapped out

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough.

[arctic talon]

so they can gut the pods internals and then replace it with the weapons array

[shadow plover]

as a concept these are such a stupid idea to begin with if you're in a position to drop a semi blind fire automated gun array to an enemy position why not just you know, bombard the area instead

[arctic talon]

lore wise they get dropped with the drop pod assault

iirc

now granted, still silly

[shadow plover]

still, you could just bombard first, then drop in

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Imagine if like

[arctic talon]

its also to like

[storm jungle]

they drop a gun-pod

[arctic talon]

prank people

lol

[opaque coyote]

40k moment

[storm jungle]

but it lands on some hill above the enemy

[queen laurel]

welp at least the ash waste nomads are cool while also being weird

[storm jungle]

and literally hits nothing

[arctic talon]

lets gank the marines

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

before they come out the pod

a bunch of guns pop out

fuck

[storm jungle]

it kinda reminds of like

when you call a turret in helldivers

but the beacon bounces

[arctic talon]

LOL

Yeah

[storm jungle]

and the turret lands facing a fucking wall

and does nothing

lmao

thats like super realistic

[arctic talon]

tbh

the missile one

is marginally less awful

because its an indirect fire piece

so you can just use it as a fast deploy artillery piece

The gun one is actually just

[storm jungle]

what I hate with these is like

[arctic talon]

dumb though

[storm jungle]

you always got idiots on lore spheres

[arctic talon]

The tarantula exists?

lol

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle did you know that ash waste nomads can bring a techno spirit to the fight

[storm jungle]

trying to explain it like it makes total sense

same reason I fucking hate like

[arctic talon]

The tarantula is the superior turret

[storm jungle]

"no no we cant orbitally bombard the enemy, we would damage the infastructure"

NOBODY CARES

[arctic talon]

its the best imperial turret tbh

nothing else compares

[queen laurel]

Why is that a concern when like collateral damage galore

it's literally one of the imperium's tactics

legions of tank and artillery literally shred the battlefield

[celest dome]

I somewhat want SM rules in Munda, and for them to be not stupid OP or what ever SM Fans would want

[arctic talon]

Tbh

We do have space marine rules

We got vandroth lol

[celest dome]

Fair

Didn't think of that

[arctic talon]

He’s in carapace but whatever

He’s spooky

But he’s not like

Some horrifying thing

[queen laurel]

we have Vandoth

We are like 99% sure that this guy is a space marine

[arctic talon]

100%

With his mini lol

[celest dome]

Well yes, Blood Angels most likely

[arctic talon]

If he’s not Blood angels

I will chew on a shot glass

His knifes literally got the legion number

Oh you want a fun derranged theory

[shadow plover]

maybe a squad marking

[arctic talon]

I think that vandroth is the same blood angel

From the art of that really old necromunda supplement

[shadow plover]

or maybe he really likes the number 9

[arctic talon]

Lol

[shadow plover]

like big smoke

[queen laurel]

yeah and he has been in necromunda around and looks like he doesn't even age

maybe he drinks hiver blood to sustain himself for longer

I wouldn't be surprised after all because no one really is gonna tell him to stop

[shadow plover]

the face blast mcgee

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That dude LOL

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/necromunda/images/5/52/Confrontation.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20120320225649

[queen laurel]

how many people has he drained to stay that young you think

[arctic talon]

Idfk

Lol

Oh yeah the new league season got revealed

My eyes will be free of the dead dry grass of noxus

[queen laurel]

what's the region theme

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-15819137855159909628

[arctic talon]

Ionia

Spirit blossom festival specifically

Which ties into the last bit of lore from the noxus season

[queen laurel]

oh i see, from noxus to place noxus is invading

[arctic talon]

Where The Black Rose is after a replacement darkin weapon in Ionia

[arctic talon]

Was invading

The war is over

And they’re not invading again for another 10 or so years lol

[queen laurel]

wait did noxus win or

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

lose

[arctic talon]

Yes

They failed at conquering Ionia

And then swain did his coup lol

[queen laurel]

alright now what are they doing

[arctic talon]

Noxus is securing its territorial gains and securing the rule of the trifarax. Oh also lots of executions of slave owners and nobles who refuse to give up lol

Noxus is being politically and socially reformed

Slavery is banned, a shift to a meritocracy and republic system

Rather then the absolute monarchy it was

[queen laurel]

How are you gonna politically and socially reformed an empire that are built on being a war mongering expansionists?

[arctic talon]

Tldr big changes

[arctic talon]

By not changing that

And dealing with the other things

[queen laurel]

aight then

[arctic talon]

Noxus is a Republic/Meritocracy lol

In modern times

Pre trifarax it was an absolute monarchy

Governors were appointed either by blood or by paying for it

And the society was stratified between commoners, merchants and noble houses

[queen laurel]

so now people aren't being stomped around as much?

[arctic talon]

Post trifarax there’s social mobility

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

But it’s still noxus

LOL

[queen laurel]

yeah if you can't bench press 300 lbs bare minimum you're kind of nothing

[arctic talon]

The big social reforms for the trifarax was no more “get in by blood”, no more slavery, no more child soldiers, and societal mobility via wealth was made possible

The big political one was making Noxus not an absolute monarchy and replacing almost every existing governor of Noxian territories

[queen laurel]

Hey at least it looks like that there's more freedom for its people even it's not by much

[arctic talon]

Yeah now go farm like

Plants or something

[queen laurel]

is there a civil war because of the changes or it went pretty smooth

[arctic talon]

There wasn’t much of a civil war

Because a lot of the military was onboard and swain had a slave revolt lol

Swain just killed any dissenting officers in the Capitol or had them imprisoned

[queen laurel]

hey better opportunities are better opportunities what can I say

[arctic talon]

Noble houses were given a chance to join, leave noxus, or die once the coup was in full swing

[queen laurel]

at least now i can just farm in the middle of nowhere as long as give crops to noxus

[arctic talon]

A lot happened fast, mostly because swain literally knew everything he needed to know

Because Raum is cheap

[queen laurel]

What about the secret black rose society did they help or did they just you know like usual just stay back at the shadows

[arctic talon]

Oh they hated it

LOL

Swain undid centuries of work

In a fucking instant

[queen laurel]

swain the goat

[arctic talon]

The emperor and empress’s of noxus were being groomed by the black rose lol

They pretty much had total control

Swain tried to uproot the black rose

He did succeed, sorta

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah they have had like years upon years of basically building the empire to their liking

[arctic talon]

Also he “executed” Leblanc

[queen laurel]

and swain just

fuck this system

[arctic talon]

But Leblanc’s noble house “fell in line” with Swain

You see

I’m using quotes

Because Leblanc is still the leader of her noble house

The Leblanc executed was a mirror image

[queen laurel]

i know it's leblanc, she has more backup plans than a chaos sorcerer of Tzeentch

[arctic talon]

Also that Leblanc is of her older design in LoR

Oh also swain killed his own parents and half of his noble house lol

Because they were part of the black rose

[queen laurel]

ok while still pretty influential the grip of the black rose has significantly weakened on noxus yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They no longer have absolute power over the government of noxus

And are much less public

[queen laurel]

Hey at least that's something

[arctic talon]

They’re still doing it though. They’ve gotten several governors, high ranking officials, Ect. As assets

[queen laurel]

yeah but swain is not that hard to lose

guy practically has ears and eyes all over the city

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s the birds

LOL

There’s a ton of ravens all over noxus now

Like

A comically large amount

Swain has eyes everywhere

[queen laurel]

speaking of is his demon trying to kill him or are they like in a symbiotic relationship

[arctic talon]

No

The demon is subservient

He did something to Raum

And chained them to his will

[queen laurel]

damn

[arctic talon]

But Raum seems to not mind

[queen laurel]

So what you're telling me is that if I can somehow replicate that process to fiddlesticks

I can have him as my own personal subservient demon

i will probably die trying but hey the idea is there

[arctic talon]

Well Raum was starved

Lol

They were being intentionally starved by the black rose

Swain took advantage of that

Raum doesn’t seem to mind the deal seeing as the one specific Raven that’s alway with swain doesn’t mine being pet or held. Or generally being treated as a pet lol

[queen laurel]

to be fair swain probably treated him way better than the black rose

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[queen laurel]

Like 100 times better

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Do the ravens that make up Raum even need to eat

Swain feeds the one that’s always with him

But it’s like weird fucked up glowing “seeds”

[queen laurel]

The way I see it is that the main Raven he has is the one that absorbs all of the demon food

[arctic talon]

That makes sense

[queen laurel]

And somehow just like transfers the energy to the other ones

[arctic talon]

But yeah there’s weird creepy birds all over noxus now LOL

Well they look normal I guess, aside from the red eyes

But they’re defintely not normal birds

[queen laurel]

fuck you mean normal

[arctic talon]

They don’t have those eyes open

Normally it’s just 1 eye

[queen laurel]

Oh usually just one set of eyes are open

[arctic talon]

Also tbf it is runeterra

Six eyed birds aren’t that weird

[queen laurel]

yeah this is the same empire that rides giant lizards to war

[arctic talon]

I want to hug one of those birds

Tbh

[queen laurel]

six eyed birds aint that weird

[arctic talon]

Or hold one

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/20/06NX041-full.png/revision/latest?cb=20221201115006

These pigeons

They drink blood

[arctic talon]

Look at this thing it’s so cute

[queen laurel]

i want to pet a Noxian Basilisk

[arctic talon]

If I got an irl animal from runeterra it would be a drakehound

It’s like a dog

But it lives around as long as a human

And it’s sort of a dragon

[queen laurel]

Basilisk are cool giant lizards

[arctic talon]

I agree

However dragon dog

[queen laurel]

oh also from noxus yeah?

god why do noxus get the cool war beasts

[arctic talon]

My favorite war beast is the Demacian silverwing tbh

[arctic talon]

Drakehounds aren’t technically warbeasts only

They’re pets

They’re literally just irl dog

But lizard/dragon

[queen laurel]

are those the eagles?

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/81/Silverwing_Species_Collage.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210623225857

Yeah

[queen laurel]

hey playing fetch with a giant lizard dog sounds like a great idea

[arctic talon]

Drakehounds are also omnivores like irl dogs

[queen laurel]

oh shit Tuskbeasts are also cool

[arctic talon]

Silverwings are ironically obligate carnivores

Which is funny

Because giant bird or giant lizard

[queen laurel]

god noxus has the entire zoo on their army

really giant armored war elephants

you already have giant lizards as cavalry

[arctic talon]

They’re war elephants but actually effective

Lol

Horses are also common in pretty much every region except the frejliord

Also piltover and zaun I guess

But I’d be more concerned if there was a horse in a fucking city

[languid meadow]

(please ignore the centuries of them doing that)

[arctic talon]

LOL

Not wrong

[queen laurel]

they probably use hex tech vehicles or hex tech robot creatures as mounts