40k-lore-chat

[summer mural]

CHOSEN

too much armor

[queen laurel]

yeah imagine a rattling gunner fighting next to a blood warrior

[summer mural]

raatatatatatata

[rose thorn]

Instead of people trying to survive an apocalypse they are brining it

[queen laurel]

against a horde of humans

[celest dome]

If you want a tide game where you play as Chaos chosen, the best tide to face is the Lizardmens

[summer mural]

yeah

thatd be sick

saurus are chad

and probably villainous af fighting chaos

[queen laurel]

How is being a lizard me playing as a giant armored buff dude

or do you mean of them as like enemies?

[summer mural]

as enemies

the lizardmen are after you

because your chaos scum

imagine fighing dinos and saurus as chosen

[rose thorn]

Serpahon, Sylvaneth, cities, and gits

[summer mural]

admittedly, i like the idea of also playing as just dwarfs in some dwarfhold fighting greenskins and skaven nonstop underground

but thats pretty similar to vermintide i guess

[rose thorn]

Kharadron supremacy

[celest dome]

As enemy

the best tide to face is the Lizardmensthe best tide to face is the Lizardmens

[summer mural]

also

[celest dome]

Also difficult to make 4/5 Dwarf characters wuth the lore that they have, like Bardin already has about 80% of the weapons that Dwarfs usually have

[summer mural]

A tide game just set in regular aos where you play as the order factions versus the evil ones is acceptable to me

[queen laurel]

they can work, they have skinks for hordes, Saurus for heavy elites like maulers, or ogryn equivalent with Kroxigor

[summer mural]

like a tide game where you can play as a stormcast eternal character or a lumineth realm lord?

im down

[queen laurel]

an pantheon of order tide can also work

[summer mural]

ye

[queen laurel]

you can make a tide game out of every pantheon really

[summer mural]

and this time they can do undead instead of skaven

[queen laurel]

destruction death chaos order

[summer mural]

so orderpantheon versus death

[queen laurel]

Each one can make a group of random members to fight whatever the hell they want I guess

[summer mural]

imagine playing order characters in aos versus the undead tide, like bonereaper and vampire bosses

[tall plinth]

A papers please parody in 40k would be fun too I think

I just like really mundane tasks being made into games

[nocturne crest]

Would Darktide still work if we're playing as orks or t'au fighting chaos, GSC or an uprising of Imperium loyalists wanting to return to the imperium?

[queen laurel]

orks are tougher so they need things like tyranids to work

even the most backwater tribe of orcs can literally make a titan powered by steam

[tall plinth]

Without backup on the tau side a tau vs ork game would feel odd to me

[nocturne crest]

Is it the same for weirdboyz?

[queen laurel]

yes but you can also just say that it's on the lower end for weird boys so it can fit on like a group setting

[celest dome]

Tau would be difficult to portray ina tide game, as they tend to be more set on ranged, but Orks do, as for Imperium as the tide, it's somewhat difficult to make work

[queen laurel]

Weridboyz do crazy things but they can be manipulated into being the weaker side

yeah tau don't train much for melee

they see it as a barbaric practice

[nocturne crest]

Which is why you have the auxiliaries

[tall plinth]

Then what opponents would work in a tautide

[queen laurel]

hmm

@celest dome can a tau auxiliary tide work

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, for the Orks, I was thinking Weirdboyz, grot, humie and normal ork.

[queen laurel]

dude

get rid of the human

orks keep humans as slaves

They certainly won't be giving them any important equipment that might aid in them escaping

What can work is something like normal ork, nob, weirdboy and flashgit

[summer mural]

id rather fight orks

i had some good time in space marine 1 killing orks

[celest dome]

I guess, but not a lot to build upon other than the Kroot and the Vespid

[summer mural]

also, dow when

i miss dow2

and im not replaying it for the 50th time

[celest dome]

• Mekboy
• Weirdboy
• Nobz
• Killa Kan (Grots)

[queen laurel]

yeah if there's only more auxiliaries

[queen laurel]

that too

[nocturne crest]

I was just thinking of the dynamic.

[celest dome]

If need a 5th, then improved Kommandoz

[nocturne crest]

Personalities clashing and all that stuff.

[queen laurel]

but you see unfortunately they will see the humie as soft and pathetic and would probably die immediately

[celest dome]

Human in an Ork crew would be strange, and unneeded

[nocturne crest]

Humie as ork cultist, forced slave, mercenary all that sort stuff.

[celest dome]

But why though 🤷

Why not just have more Orks

[nocturne crest]

Yeah.

[remote widget]

You try so hard to add tech adepts for darktide and you dare mock and exclude digganobz?

[queen laurel]

look imagine this you play an ork game, but you want to become a human

[nocturne crest]

A killa kan would be more fun tbh

[queen laurel]

are you hearing yourself?

why would you want something that is like very old and

very specific

nowadays orcs literally treat humans as like playthings and things to fight

[nocturne crest]

Actually, for balance sake, would the Killa kan need fuel to continue fighting?

[queen laurel]

yes they do need fuel but it lasts a long time

[nocturne crest]

Is there a lot of options with a killa kan in terms of weapons and abilities?

[remote widget]

Hm?

[queen laurel]

oh basically everything

[queen laurel]

so you want to add something in the game that is close to the N word?

wow you are definitely something

anyway

[queen laurel]

they can basically bring missile launchers chainsaws giant claws

ork technology framework is literally random bullshit

[remote widget]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-fantasy-dwarf-grudge-simpsons-gif-20525681

[celest dome]

It's ranged weapons sure, it's melee why for ?

[queen laurel]

Honestly it can last for a while before depowering

[nocturne crest]

To power the engine.

[queen laurel]

yes but like vehicles with fuels can last also a long time

[celest dome]

Tech Adept would be able to bring things that are unable to be brought otherwise
Digganobz... not so much

[queen laurel]

and who's to say it can't run on a generator or something

Again ork technology is very flexible and very random

[celest dome]

Do we need food for the other characters ?

[queen laurel]

^

[nocturne crest]

We have healing for the other characters?

[remote widget]

Movement, or because they think it does something, and why would you go to battle quiet if yooz a propa nob

[queen laurel]

this is now the one thing you don't do in 40K

looking for too much details

this setting is very rarely that deep

like i know where you're coming from but like you're talking about orks

[nocturne crest]

I'm just thinking along the lines of the killa kan takes ammo instead of healing items to repair itself.

[queen laurel]

They are the last type of faction you should look for for any type of sense

[queen laurel]

oh you mean a special mechanic?

[celest dome]

Ork would fit better with repairs anyway

[nocturne crest]

Yeah.

[queen laurel]

you could just have them with like a fix it box

[remote widget]

Mekboy or rippadok

[tall plinth]

Spare parts

scavenged parts

[queen laurel]

a fix up station or something

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, I thinking more along the sides of that the killa kan would lose health over time based on movement and use of melee weaponry alongside taking damage in exchange for being something akin to a one man army, but ammo would restore all the aspects.

But actually just having ammo being the healing mechanic sounds better.

[queen laurel]

Yeah but here's the thing on higher difficulties where you will be forced to empty your weapons just to kill a horde

that can get annoying real quick

it's a fun idea don't get me wrong but

It's a mechanic I do not want to worry about when playing higher difficulties

[remote widget]

Wouldn't a killa kans fall into the too strong for a "tide" game tier, as it's ork equivalent to a dreadnought or terminator,

Ork deathwing could be funny though

[nocturne crest]

That's the deff dread.

[queen laurel]

a killa kan is roughly around 10 feet

but with ork construction you can make that shorter

because it's literally random and unpredictable

And the weapons it brings aren't really anything special

and if it's an ork tide game

The enemies can definitely send things that can handle that

You can practically strap many types of weapons in these things just give them like less ridiculous ones

[summer mural]

metro 2033 redux is on 100% discount on steam rn, it costs 0 bucks

id recommend grabbing it for anyone interested

[remote widget]

Yes, it's a terminator equivalent at that size. You can't just use the argument "orkz so lol random magic" all the time. Shrinking it down to smaller than a nob, makes it kinda pointless when the other options would be: a nob as your heavy, kommando or stormboy for range, weirdboy for psyker, gretchin/mek/pain boy for zealot slot

[celest dome]

Gretching on its own would never work as equivalent to Orks

[queen laurel]

yeah they are physically Weak

[remote widget]

Yeah, I didn't wanna advocat for a horde style character though like a squigherder or something

[queen laurel]

OK tell me this a faction that is literally characterized by their incoherent randomness and absolutely crude and random technology can't use that reason

because it would make it pointless?

like a faction can't be random because it's pointless A faction that is highly characterized by their randomness can't be random

is that what you're saying

you can't use a factions main strength because it's pointless is that what you're saying

[remote widget]

They like it bigga, bigga mech bigga boom, smaller stuf is humie tok, and we iz not haffin dat

[queen laurel]

yes but orks

You are trying to make sense and give orks

A mould

that's like the last thing you should do with them

[remote widget]

Wez don't do fiddly finks

[queen laurel]

that's why your reasonings are flawed but i don't question you now do I

anyway

[remote widget]

You find me a group of orkz cornering the market on artisinal gardening and fine Swiss watches and I'll believe you, you are just leaning on random to excuse everything

[celest dome]

[queen laurel]

because that's literally what orks are

they are very random

[celest dome]

What is your argument ?

[queen laurel]

it is a heavily expressed trait in their stories and lore

So tell me why can't I use that reasoning when it's an explicit reasoning by the company that made them

[remote widget]

They have limits, they act randomly yes sorta but they're not random truly they do organize and collectives, they in fact are not random

[celest dome]

Ork Vehicles (Walkers are classed as such) are ramshackled in lore, they're all made by picking random parts and meant to be 1 of a kind each time https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Vehicles_(List)

[queen laurel]

literally that

it's literally random

[celest dome]

So you can have killa kan that would be bigger than Defdread in lore

[queen laurel]

they build things out of whatever they have at the time

[celest dome]

Or quite small

[queen laurel]

it's the core function that is a classified for it to be called that for example

an ork inside a mechanical body is a deff dread

a grot inside a mechanical body is a killa kan

[remote widget]

They are controlled and programmed to herd, to build up in numbers, to waagh, to have a gestalt knowledge at certain tiers

[queen laurel]

they have some structure yes but, it that doesn't change the fact that their tech is very random now doesn't it

it's literally made out of random scrap and gubbinz they have collected

it can look on many different things

[nocturne crest]

New thought.

[summer mural]

thats a sick tank

[queen laurel]

oh a Kill Blasta

that is great

[nocturne crest]

There shouldn't be an ork version of darktide. Instead, we should have an ork version of payday 2.

[queen laurel]

that can also work

[remote widget]

Yes

[celest dome]

Pay Day in 40k would work quite well with Harlequin

[nocturne crest]

Have our band of orks sent on missions to kill and loot.

[celest dome]

But Ork stealth shoudln't happen

[remote widget]

Payday 2, stealthy?

[nocturne crest]

That's why you have kommandos as a class.

[queen laurel]

bro has never heard of kommandos

[celest dome]

You have stealth missions

[celest dome]

That's not really comparable to PD2's stealth tbh

[queen laurel]

that is fair

[nocturne crest]

That's how you get teef to unlock new weapons and gear.

[queen laurel]

they honestly just work better in the tide formula

[remote widget]

Was gonna say we had a book of them outsneaking catachans recently

[queen laurel]

and ork robbery game is just gonna be like probably 1 mission in like ork tide

[nocturne crest]

40k game about piracy be too much?

[summer mural]

no

ork piracy game is acceptable

[queen laurel]

no not really

[summer mural]

and so is drukhaari

also rogue traders i guess

and a bunch of space marine chapters might as well call themselves pirates

[vagrant fox]

And just the pirates that roam around

[summer mural]

also one piece

but thats not relevant

problem is

a lot of space stuff is covered by battlefleet

i think its more likely that gets a sequel than a pirate 40k game

and a lot of criminal stuff is covered under necromunda

that might get a game before a pirate game too

[nocturne crest]

There are also human pirates in 40k.

[summer mural]

irrelevant chumps

why look at human pirates when you have guys like the red corsairs

[nocturne crest]

True true.

[summer mural]

theres also that ork guy in dow

capn skullflag?

black skull?

i forgot his name, but the ork with a pirate hat that his own campaign

blackflagg?

flaggface?

[nocturne crest]

Bludflag?

[summer mural]

YEAH

him

thanks

I actually spend a good 5 min absentmindedly thinking about it

[queen laurel]

yeah Bludflagg

and theirs also Badrukk

[nocturne crest]

But the red corsairs have cultists.

[summer mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouyoccGvSn4

damn

some of these gelt memes are out of control

[rose thorn]

I wana write more cities of sigmar

Kill me

Hey si there any other space marine chapters that follow a similar format to black Templars

Being organized by crusades

BT being organized by crusades has made me significantly like them more

[summer mural]

uhhh, the french feudal space marines???

https://tenor.com/view/total-war-bretonnia-charge-louen-leoncoeur-repanse-gif-27572977

[queen laurel]

aight say less

[summer mural]

squigs my beloved

[rose thorn]

Of love writing cities of sigmar but I always go too far lol

[queen laurel]

How's your sea based city

[rose thorn]

Id post them online but i cant make symbols for the life of me

[rose thorn]

It’s actually like, done

[queen laurel]

oh real?

[rose thorn]

Yeah, just need a symbol and paint scheme

But the concept feels complete

[queen laurel]

does it have a Kraken-eater

[rose thorn]

Fo course

[queen laurel]

Very well 10 out of 10

[rose thorn]

The only stuff I can work on is stuff I need to play a campaign for

I can’t really do a history because it’s

a tribe exists
it disappears from history
it is found again

I really really like their society of reincarnation into idoneth, the idoneth discord gave me that idea

The only things left is gunpowder lore

[rose thorn]

I put my hands up and admit, they are neat. They use their size for something

[queen laurel]

i can't believe it

someone that likes the bt and is relatively sane

[arctic talon]

Wolfspear

Have 7 different fleets

[rose thorn]

?

Oh?

[arctic talon]

I can’t think of any other chapter with similar formation to the BT

Besides the wolfspear

[rose thorn]

googles it
someone on Reddit has the same question
“Oh good”
none of the comments answer the question and it’s just arguing about how many marines the black Templars have

[arctic talon]

[summer mural]

classic.

[arctic talon]

Mentor legion are also

Pretty fragmented

But they’re usually separated into a bunch of squads

Rather then the big crusade groups BT have running around

[summer mural]

arent black templars like ...clinically ill?

[arctic talon]

Insane?

A little

[summer mural]

although i find helbrecht funny

I can imagine him bursting a blood vessel in his forehead just thinking about purging

[rose thorn]

I know greyknights are sorta similar but

Grey knights

[summer mural]

chaosgate redeemed grey knights for me

I actually like them now

[rose thorn]

Greyknights are self aware Mary sues it’s wonderful

[summer mural]

i like the design, the aesthetics, the complete and total indoctrination

[raven stone]

I thought there was a semi-canonical count of 21,000 somewhere.

[arctic talon]

We don’t know the actual number

It’s just a lot

The 21k figure is inaccurate

[rose thorn]

I forgot how are the uh, not greyknights greyknights organized

The,,,,

Red ones

[arctic talon]

Because someone assumed every major crusade named was chapter sized

They’re not

We know helbrecht’s main crusade

Is over 1k marines excluding support staff and honor guard

[raven stone]

Exorcist.

They just have an extra Scout company.

[rose thorn]

EXORCISTS

[rose thorn]

Thought that was red hunters

[raven stone]

Admittedly both Red, but between the two, Exorcists lean a bit more into the "GK knockoff" in lore

[rose thorn]

Oh 2 extra scouts

[opaque coyote]

They care about daemons

And daemons only

[rose thorn]

And cults and stuff because they summon demons

[opaque coyote]

...and also to kill the random guardsman that saw them for 0.01 seconds (pre-rift)

[rose thorn]

And xenos because they really like fucking up prophesies

[raven stone]

Ironically Cult level stuff is still more Inquisition

By the time GK need to show things are well beyond fucked up

[rose thorn]

Oh exorcists use neophytes

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the Eldar do the same

Lmao

[rose thorn]

It was years ago when I read about it but I think the process is

“Chaos love prophesies, so we fuck them up to fuck with chaos”

But I think sisters do that more

[raven stone]

It's that or it is Chaos compromised Xenos.

IIRC the Grey Knight codex of 4th edition had an entire section explaining how or why GK would end up fighting various Xenos.

[opaque coyote]

I wonder if this situation happened:

"Why the fuck are you here you filthy Xenos?"

"Because you're gonna mess up a prophecy."

"Fuck you. You're gonna mess up the prophecy."

"No... It's probably you, you oversized bloated knuckle dragging mon'keigh!"

"Nah it's clearly you, you pompous, skinny, whining fuck."

"Oh that is it!"

BLAM BLAM BLAM BLA-

[rose thorn]

Based

[raven stone]

It had such things as....
(1) Orks who mistake a Great Unclean One statue as an effigy of Gork/Mork and starting to worship it.

(2) Tyranid Hive Fleet unknowingly spreading a Nurgle virus.

(3) Necron tech being mistaken as Chaos things due to C'tan/ Imperial confusion

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

Honestly the 1st sounds funny and the 3rd actually is plausible

Like

[rose thorn]

God I love greyknights

[raven stone]

4 edition codices were lore goldmines

[opaque coyote]

Both Necron and Chaos are severely ominous looking

[raven stone]

Highly recommended if you need some inspiration on how GK gets involved in (seemingly) non-Chaos stuff

[opaque coyote]

Damn it would've been funny if it was like the newcrons

Imagine a Necron Warlord laughing his ass off

"YOU THINK WE'RE CHAOS??"

[raven stone]

"...well why did you shoot us?"

"YOU ARE INTRUDING MY MILLENIA LONG DIRTNAP WHAT ELSE DID YOU EXPECT!?"

[opaque coyote]

"HOW DO WE EVER LOOK LIKE THOSE TUMORS IN THE WARP... besides the skulls... the omnious architecture... the glowing parts... and... oh."

[raven stone]

"Glowing green parts no less."

(Nurgle is green after all...)

[opaque coyote]

Actually a Nurgle infested Necron Area does sound fun

Probably implausible though

[raven stone]

I mean, they somehow made it work if the Chaos Campaign in BFG2 Armada

Is anything to go by

[tall plinth]

(2)??

[nocturne crest]

Pretty sure Nurgle managed to beat a hive fleet by turning a planet so toxic the biomass gained would be poison to it.

[raven stone]

If I had to explain it (since I only glanced at thay entry long ago...)

Nurgle corruption doesn't necessarily rely on zombies or Cultists, it can be a virus.

Presumably, for whatever reason, the Tyranids have developed immunity. But they are still carriers.

Inquisition probably went "Uh oh" when they realised every single regiment sent to fight the Tyranids end up defecting to Nurgle (probably then promptly being eaten in turn)

Hence GK tasked with fighting Tyranids.

[tall plinth]

Neat

Wasn’t there a genestealer cult what got nurgle corrupted

[raven stone]

Oh don't get me wrong, Nurgle can do that if it wants, but having a superspreader viral carrier is just as useful for Nurgle.

[raven stone]

Think it was on Necromunda that a defunct GS cult ended up turning to Chaos worship instead.

Only possible due to lack of contact with Hive Mind

So under the right circumstances a Nurgle GSC could happen

[tall plinth]

Oh I was thinking of Cult Tenebrous

[raven stone]

checks it out

...well yea being in Nurgle's Garden changes everything 😅

But yes they should be cut off from Hive Mind for sure.

[tall plinth]

Very interesting….

[raven stone]

Nurgle's Garden in the warp is his home turf, so to speak

(...which gives you an idea of how Mary Sue the GK are when they stroll in there casually)

[tall plinth]

Once returned to real space though I wonder how things change

[raven stone]

It is implied they are just Nurgle's servants

Hive Mind probably severed link once they lost contact

[barren prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=502w-f2k_yQ
i love these guys theyre great if you just wanna put some warhammer gibberish in the background

[nocturne crest]

I just had a thought. I've heard that the T'au managed to find a way of detecting Genestealers dna in humans and t'au, so is it possible for them to make their own genestealers if they wanted to?

[arctic talon]

Define make their own

Like a genestealer breeding program? They did one by accident

lol

[nocturne crest]

Yeah.

Oh.

LOL

[arctic talon]

They were testing how genestealer infection worked

On a bunch of political dissidents

Earth caste let the experiment get too far

And it went horribly wrong

Planet was stuck in a civil war for decades

[nocturne crest]

So who won in the end?

[summer mural]

khorne

as usual

[arctic talon]

The tau

Probably

[nocturne crest]

So making a programmable gene-stealer isn't possible then.

[arctic talon]

The ethereal who checked out and confirmed the situation was resolved was called Aun’ghol

As in

“Own goals”

[arctic talon]

Absolutely not lol

[rose thorn]

i was gonna say 'if the space wolf box is really cheap i could just buy it and do wolf spear' but its sapce wolf players it iwlll be bought 3 times by each player

[queen laurel]

the moment you blink it's gone reduced to atoms

[arctic talon]

space wolf players

are fucking feral

[rose thorn]

peopel fucking bought that shit ass space marine christmas box

[arctic talon]

for the new box

[arctic talon]

which one

LOL

[rose thorn]

LMAO

the one with the jetpack guy and the push fit bikes

[arctic talon]

Oh

[queen laurel]

just like a Wulfen smelling prey

[arctic talon]

lmao

that one

[queen laurel]

they smell

good models

[rose thorn]

they are getting MORE MODEL STOO

[tall plinth]

Who would win in a fight
The Emperor of Mankind or a crab with a knife

[queen laurel]

Crab next question

[rose thorn]

LITERALLY GK ARE ALL OF THE OLDEST MODELS IN THE GAME NEXT TO DEMONS

space wolf players get HH and 40k models

its insane

crashing out about GKs agian

[tall plinth]

Who would win in a fight:
the emperor of mankind
Or
The peanut mascot from planters nuts

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/analyse-this-de-niro-shoot-hit-pillow-gif-14674439871687960818

[arctic talon]

drukhari

[rose thorn]

every ip planters touches shrivels and dies

[rose thorn]

oh yeah

[tall plinth]

Am I supposed to take this as an answer for one or the other…?

[rose thorn]

drukhari has alto of well aged models

drukhari has alot of ass models

drukhari have alot of not exisiting models

[tall plinth]

What would you do if the emperor had a peanut allergy this whole time and all Horus did was dip his hands in peanut butter before fighting him

[rose thorn]

isnt the durkahri line still on rotation?

[rocky gale]

See if the Emperor really did plan for Horus to betray him he would have implanted a ridiculously tiny weakness that no one would ever think of using against a Demigod, something exactly like a peanut allergy

[rocky gale]

Rotation?

[rose thorn]

like half of their kits get rotated on the store every month

mostly thier resin stuff

[rocky gale]

Oh

I'm not sure

A lot of their stuff is sold out quite often

But I assumed they were just quite low on the priority for restocking

[rose thorn]

tehse are fucking awesome

THESE ARE SO COOL

[rocky gale]

Luv Reavers

[rose thorn]

wait is drukagri teg coolest army??

[rocky gale]

Yep

[rose thorn]

zam

[queen laurel]

damn it if this becomes an obsession i'm gonna lose another teeth

[rose thorn]

fool i already have drukahri

t hier boats are awesome

[tall plinth]

I’m glad someone can see reason

it only makes sense

[rocky gale]

Yea

[queen laurel]

welp

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-jerry-breaks-tooth-gif-13983499

[rocky gale]

Like in that final showdown Horus is empowered by Chaos and the Emperor just flicks a peanut into his mouth

[rose thorn]

armies ass dotn expect me to finish them

i heard its ass rules wise

[rocky gale]

It's better now

Think it was mostly just the Realspace Raider detachment that wasn't great

[rose thorn]

ah

thats hte one piece detachment?

[rocky gale]

Skysplinter Assault and Reapers Wager detachments are both much better

[rose thorn]

lmao

[rocky gale]

The one where you're supposed to take a mix of all three subfactions

[rose thorn]

yee

[rocky gale]

Skysplinter is great if you have a ton of the boats as well since that's the whole shtick

You charge in on the boats, charge off the boat, shoot/stab everything and then get back on the boat and run away again

[rose thorn]

YAY

boat boat boat

[arctic talon]

drukhari need a full rewrite

[rocky gale]

and Reapers Wager is great and lets you have 50% of your army be Harlequins

[arctic talon]

For their codex I’m ngl

[rocky gale]

Yea

[arctic talon]

Reapers wager and skysplinter can stay

What the fuck is real space raid

💀

If they’re going to take away the haemonculi and wych army rules

Don’t make a detachment that’s necessary for them to get extra shit from it lol

[rocky gale]

Isn't that one of the problems with Real Space Raid, the Wych cults and Haemonuli just kinda suck rules wise

So you're just taking them for the benefit it gives you from taking them

and then spamming Scourges

[arctic talon]

Covens are fine rules wise but Wych’s are an actual burning dumpster fire rn yeah

But the whole get more pain stuff

Was baked into the army rule originally in 9e

[rocky gale]

Like I know Wyches are pointless unless led by a Succubus, Hellions are pretty useless and Reavers are alrightish.

[arctic talon]

Beast master found dead in a ditch

More at 7 on comorroagh news

[rocky gale]

Don't think Beastmaster has Wych cult as a keyword

[arctic talon]

They’re part of the wych cults though

[rose thorn]

LMAO

inst the beastmaster legends?

[rocky gale]

and Scourges are part of the Kabal's but they don't get the keyword either

[arctic talon]

No

[rocky gale]

We all suffer

[arctic talon]

Scourges are mercs no?

Just 99% of the time tied to kabals

[rocky gale]

In lore they're the messengers for the Kabals

[arctic talon]

Ah

Nvm then

I’m fuzzy on the exacts for drukahri lore

[rose thorn]

oheay so its beastmaster, the big guys, and all the units in their coven of the archeon are on rotation

[rocky gale]

Oh as in for sale?

[rose thorn]

yeah

[rocky gale]

No the Beastmaster, Groteques and Court of the Archon are just gone

[rose thorn]

oh shit

tehy died this edition?

[arctic talon]

No

[rocky gale]

They still have rules

Just GW don't make the models anymore

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[rocky gale]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Resin moment

Drukhari update 11e!!!!!

[rocky gale]

Now

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/now-dammit-skeletor-gif-13398390

[rose thorn]

how do 40k fans put up wiht it

why does gw do it

[queen laurel]

they grit their teeth

and take it

[rose thorn]

GW ISNT EVEN MAKING MONEY FROM IT

[arctic talon]

Wdym

Lol

[rose thorn]

literlaly killing the warscroll makes more money for gw than not selling a model for it

[arctic talon]

Not getting updates?

[rose thorn]

haivng rules and shit for kits that dont exist

[arctic talon]

Because it would look really bad if drukhari had barely any rules also

I’m fine with rules for kits that don’t exist

As long as there’s easy to make alternatives

Which uh

[rocky gale]

Yea like Drukhari have so few units that they can't even remove the rules for units they don't make

[arctic talon]

The drukhari stuff doesn’t have

[rose thorn]

dont they have like, 3 factions in one?

[arctic talon]

Court is the most easy to do

[arctic talon]

Yes

And each faction is like 3-4 units lol

[rocky gale]

Yep that

[rose thorn]

omg

i thought it was at least liek 5-10

[arctic talon]

Kabalites have the least unique stuff

At 3 units

Wych’s have the most at 5 or 6

Covens got 4

[rose thorn]

3???/

[arctic talon]

If we include stuff they should be kabalite then it’s 5

[arctic talon]

Kabalites, archon, court of the archon

Oh

Wait it’s 4

They get the gun boat

[rose thorn]

wha about their neutral units?

[arctic talon]

There’s like

5

Incubi, drazhar(named), scourges, voidraven bomber, raider

Oh wait

I’m missing one of the boats aren’t I

[rose thorn]

venoms?

[arctic talon]

Wait no beastmasters are neutral

Yeah

7

7 neutral things

[rose thorn]

oh thats not bad, they ahve like synergy with the rest of the army right?

[arctic talon]

Sorta?

It depends

[rocky gale]

Kabal is

Archon
Kabalites
Ravager
Court of the Archon

Cults is

Lelith
Succubus
Wyches
Hellions
Reavers

Coven is

Haemonculus
Urien Rakarth
Wracks
Cronos
Grotesques
Talos

Everything else is independent

So like Kabal don't even have a named character model

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH THEY LOST THIER ELITE VERSION OF NORMAL UNITS LAST EDITION

[storm jungle]

This reminds me

lemme get a meme

[rocky gale]

Yep

Trueborn were squatted

[rose thorn]

true borns, i forgot the witches, and the liek wrack primes or somethign

[queen laurel]

BAHAHAHAHA

[storm jungle]

that image is like 4 years old

and what Iarmoth posted for their entire lineup

[arctic talon]

Good image

[storm jungle]

is literally just the right side of this post

lmao

[rose thorn]

good meme,e stealing it

[storm jungle]

the accuracy is astounding

[arctic talon]

Also

This is craftworld eldar to drukhari

Lol

They feast while their dark cousins starve

[rocky gale]

I tell you, we need a named Kabalite HQ (Lady Malys), we need Dracons back and we need Trueborn

Honestly don't even need a new kit for Trueborn, just make the Hand of the Archon kit the one used for Trueborn.

It's right there

[storm jungle]

Xenos

[arctic talon]

We’re getting malys

[storm jungle]

Need

[rocky gale]

Just make rules for it

[arctic talon]

Btw

[rocky gale]

Yeee I saw

[arctic talon]

Also yeah hand of the archon

Should be trueborn

[arctic talon]

It’s absurd they didn’t get their own sheet

[arctic talon]

Reee post smh

Good image though

Well video

[storm jungle]

its relevant shut up

[arctic talon]

No

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-koumei-warframe-koumei-gambling-gif-6157563614102499688

[rocky gale]

Like the fact they made a Killteam that perfectly represents a trueborn squad while removing the rules for Trueborn is ridiculous

[arctic talon]

Next edition

Also fun fact

Both malys and asurmen

Have a 2023 copy right

It is time for my deranged conspiracy theory

Because of Covid 9e was really fucked up

[rose thorn]

cant remember where the hell the trueborn rules were

[arctic talon]

I think Malys and asurmen were meant for Arks of omen

[arctic talon]

Better shooting, better leadership

It was pretty lame

But it was fluffy

[rose thorn]

i knwo but was it a differnet datasheet or a commadnd baility

[arctic talon]

It was a pay 5 points

Per kabalite in the squad

Turning hand of the archon into their own separate trueborn sheet

Would genuinely be perfect

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH CAN I MAKE A SHITPOST

[arctic talon]

Since they have unique wargear

[queen laurel]

sure

this entire chat is practically a shitpost

[rose thorn]

this is how many units EC had in 8th edition

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure a former designer from GW has said that the model for Yvraine was actually originally designed for Lady Malys, it just got changed to be Yvraine before release.

[arctic talon]

It fits like a glove for them

[arctic talon]

Wtf

Weird

[rose thorn]

ynnari supremacy

[arctic talon]

Yvraines design doesn’t read as a drukhari dress

Wtf did they do to it lol

[rocky gale]

That's why it has the fan which was an iconic Lady Malys thing

[arctic talon]

I c

[queen laurel]

if only they were treated the SAME IN LORE

[arctic talon]

Well I’m excited for the new malys

Also she’s going to get horribly dismembered for archon conversions

Lol

[queen laurel]

THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING

[rose thorn]

but broke the meta

[arctic talon]

Yeah they have

Just ignore the novels

I like them becoming a more extreme death cult

It’s a good flavor change

Now give me some ynnari exclusive stuff

[rose thorn]

its very cool

[arctic talon]

I have a lot of deranged conspiracy theories

When it comes to eldar releases

Like with the void scarred

I’m 100% sure

[rose thorn]

gw where are my pirates

[arctic talon]

They were originally gona be a ynnari unit

They share the same armor design as the vissarch

A mix of cwe and drukhari stuff

[rose thorn]

to be fiar, thats what they are

[arctic talon]

Excluding the helmets

[arctic talon]

Yes but Corsair armor usually is styled after craftworld armor

Including mixed drukahri corsairs

Since getting one bone singer to maintain it all

Is easier

The voidscarred design wise have very unique armor

[arctic talon]

Anyways uh

[arctic talon]

If drukhari update happens this edition

[rose thorn]

know what

[arctic talon]

I will be shocked lol

[rose thorn]

ur right

[arctic talon]

I’m so

Idk

Over invested in this theory

[rose thorn]

i agree they gave htem drukarhi shoudlers

[arctic talon]

I’ve been parroting it

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Since fucking 9e lol

When they came out

This is like the lowest stake conspiracy theory possible

But there’s imo too much evidence pointing to it

Along with the fact that there’s a lot of missing areas for symbology

If they wanted to put the ynnari symbol as a moulded thing

The drukhari shoulder armor is perfect

[rose thorn]

lmao

oh yeah any new ynnari lore in the battletome?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

There is

Not a ton but there is ynnari lore

[rose thorn]

i wanan make my own ynnari lore but idk hwo they are organized

[rose thorn]

YAY

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Ynnari are organized similarly to corsairs

Ironically

[rose thorn]

oh?

[arctic talon]

With a lot of splinter fleets

And then one big main one

[rose thorn]

any exmaples?

[arctic talon]

The ynnari don’t have a craftworld

[rose thorn]

id asusme they were orgnaied by cults

[arctic talon]

Nah

They have like

Groups organized by a ruling leader group

And then their subordinates

I.E you have an Autarch, farseer and succubus as a leader for a group

And under them you have guardians, aspect warriors, warlocks, some wraiths, wych’s

Ect.

[rose thorn]

Oooo

Oh yeha the ynnari datasheets aren’t in the eldar battletome right?

[arctic talon]

They are

They’re in the cwe codex

And all the drukhari stuff they can take

[rose thorn]

Thank fuck

[arctic talon]

Though they’ve got a more diverse selection of drukhari stuff

Lore wise

[rose thorn]

Do you need yvraine to bring the drukhari stuff?

[arctic talon]

Tldr anything that isn’t haemonculi is open to be taken

I don’t remember ngl

I don’t play ynnari

[rose thorn]

Fair

[arctic talon]

Every list runs yvraine and stuff

So like

I wouldn’t know lol

[rose thorn]

Damn I just checked Lex and it doenst have the 10th edition lore yet

I wanna know how different the fleets are from each other

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

It’s left vague

There’s also “mono” faction ynnari stuff lore wise

So like all drukahri lore wise as a ynnari group

[spare osprey]

Ok so

Improbable lore question for homebrew reasons

Corsair Wraithseer

Possible or not

[arctic talon]

Wraiths do not serve in Corsair crews normally

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[arctic talon]

You could have one if you wanted though

[spare osprey]

We talked about it a while ago I think

Said corsairs don’t field entire units of em

But like a one off character is prob fine

They would just need a seer buddy, I’m wondering if I could do a wraithseer to combat that

Or if having the buddy would be more interesting

[arctic talon]

Both are fine options

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-nod-nod-kermit-kermit-the-frog-gif-462345856512872323

Amazing to know

As the only eldar lore I’ve consumed is from dark eldar gladiator fights

[arctic talon]

It would likely have to be a Corsair warband with closer ties to the cwe

Then comorroagh

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/ctYFjwA8pf8?si=zmD48NR1vkY7JEXn never has disassembling my firearm to clean it sound more appropriate. Colm R McGuinness, you’ve done it again.

[spare osprey]

Mhm

Prince is former Biel tan do I think it’ll work out

[rose thorn]

wanna check no one in chat is a psychology major

before i complain

okay calmed down

Really upset at my group project partners

Lmao

[vagrant fox]

I took childhood development psychology something or another 🤓

[rose thorn]

The psych majors in mu mental health awareness class are unbearable

Non medical psych majors*

[vagrant fox]

It's like new philsohopers who can't stop doing socratic methods, eventually both will learn when not to talk

well, most

[rose thorn]

philosopher majors are the worst

This guy was walking around with basically a blunt weapon and talked to me and my friends

And was like “you noticed me because of my staff, and my staff I say is a gift from god”

[bright yew]

How do you kill a dreadnought as a guardsman or a stormtrooper?

[rose thorn]

Melta bomb

[vagrant fox]

Hope you brought a meltagun or something like it

[rose thorn]

Or if you are a chad gsc put a IED in the eye slot

[bright yew]

2 of my characters are kasrkins and they destroyed a dreadnought

I had in mind this:

Kate shoot a overcharged shot of his plasma gun when the dread was charging his plasma cannon making it explode and gravely wounding the dreadnought
Then the rest of the squad destroyed the joints with their hellguns and after it got immobilized Gabriel jumped with his chainsword and decapitated the marine

[rose thorn]

Mining charges usually can pierce custodie armor

[storm jungle]

That checks out. Shooting the joints was something I was personally gonna mention too.

Currently reading a Short where some necron gauss ray finds a dread's legs and it instantly goes down lol

[rose thorn]

God I love mixed arms armies

[rose thorn]

To be fair that is making metal into a memory

[arctic talon]

Depends, disabling joints is a good one, melta, enough kraks, melta bombs, plasma

Lasguns to the engine can do damage eventually

[rose thorn]

Also newest darkest dungeon 2 update drops today

[bright yew]

Depends on the dreadnought model too right?

[rose thorn]

Meh,

[bright yew]

The one I had in mind was the castraferrum with the marine helmet exposed

Wait

[arctic talon]

That’s not

The head

It’s a sensor array

[bright yew]

It’s not the head?

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

Its not

its a symbolic thing

[arctic talon]

It’s just designed to look like a helmet

[storm jungle]

the Marine is behind it

[arctic talon]

The big upside is it can turn lol

[rose thorn]

Is that the one that is the GK dread?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[bright yew]

Then wtf does my space marine rips off the hellbrute?

[arctic talon]

Because it’s a hellbrute

[storm jungle]

its a helbrute

not a dreadnaught

[arctic talon]

Not a dread it’s

Super fucking mutated

The dudes head might be in there now lol

[storm jungle]

its literally fleshmutated to BE the head of the marine

its not comparable lol

[arctic talon]

In any case the goal is to mutilate it

Horribly lol

[storm jungle]

^

like

[arctic talon]

To the point where it’s desd

Or inoperable

[storm jungle]

the best part of space marine stuff is its essentially just blunt shit we kinda have today

[arctic talon]

Marines usually don’t bother finishing off

The dying lol

[storm jungle]

shit like a land raider looks intimidating at first

until uh

[arctic talon]

They just let the dude they blow in half bleed out

[storm jungle]

you hit one side of it with a rocket to destroy its tracks

and now its dead useless minus its guns

lol

[arctic talon]

Cripple the treads

Lol

[storm jungle]

yep

[arctic talon]

The Achilles heel of every tank

And vehicle with treads

Ever

Lol

[storm jungle]

Imperial Armor books do a good job of showcasing this

[arctic talon]

Mfw IED

[storm jungle]

you can be an astartes deploying to your first engagement

mowing down people

then uh oh

RPG

to the chest

[arctic talon]

Though marine treads are more durable

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

But like

Still

Mmmmmm

40k IED

The super IED

[bright yew]

Destroy the joints, make the plasma gun explode (if it has one) and destroy whatever is inside of the sarcophagus I suppose

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Disable the joints of a dread it’s fucked

It’s how the tau dealt with them operationally

At an infantry scale

And it’s how marines deal with smaller tau suits

If they lack the firepower to pierce it properly

[rocky gale]

Just gotta use Psyker powers to crush it like a zit

[arctic talon]

Also real

Lmao

Lore accurate space marine 2

Titus gets picked up and ripped apart by the first zoanthrope he runs into

What a game

[storm jungle]

its either that or like

shoot a big railgun at its center

and leave a massive molten hole

[arctic talon]

Well infantry squads

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

No have railgun

Lol

[bright yew]

Or do a sm2 and parry the hellbrute

[storm jungle]

the plot armor route

yeet

[arctic talon]

Me watching Titus parry a carnifex

(This is awesome but also literally bullshit)

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/telekineses-love-bad-alien-chronicle-gif-11960359

[bright yew]

In the finishing move he stops one of the claws for a short time

[arctic talon]

Tbh I can excuse that one

The carnifex is lore wise mostly dead

At that point

But shit like a bolter shouldn’t harm a carni really

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1323748778859172012/Untitled_Project_V1.mp4?ex=67fec09e&is=67fd6f1e&hm=6ac00ee869888b69fb09f43a39d969dc52dcc2f839ca3dd6a49beaf534f2db8b&

[arctic talon]

But they can’t have that gameplay wise

[bright yew]

They have soft spots right?

[arctic talon]

For obvious reasons

Nah

All tough

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Carnifex are compared with Leman Russ’s

[storm jungle]

they are entirely made from chitin and carapace

[arctic talon]

In terms of durability

Lol

They’re actual moving tanks

[storm jungle]

Yeah like remember

the game EXTREMELY nerfs nids for the sake of gameplay

[arctic talon]

Warriors would be way more bullshit lol

Mfw Tyberos

[storm jungle]

if you actually jumped to fight a Warrior tyranid with 50 gaunts around they'd jump your ass and kill you

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Mfw Tyberos almost died to 5 warriors

And like 10 gaunts

[storm jungle]

Gangbanged

fr

[arctic talon]

Bro got fucking jumped

[bright yew]

Just throw a big rock and crush that bug

[arctic talon]

Only works on rippers

Tbh

[storm jungle]

well "work"

how many rippers are there

[arctic talon]

I mean if you hit a squirrel with a rock it’s dead

Unfortunately rippers

Are in hordes

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1281431334048239656/Untitled_Project_V13.gif

"AAAAA-"

[bright yew]

They did that with the swarmlord and almost died

[storm jungle]

Yeah but it also almost soloes your entire squad

so you know

[arctic talon]

man the first 2 carch books are so good

[bright yew]

Or with the heldrake

[arctic talon]

Shame the third one never happened

and doesn't exist

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being the way the nids are designed is to facilitate fun lol

because I don't want to play lore accurate 40k

I want to play angry blue man kills bugs and light blue men

[storm jungle]

yeah they are up there with orks, beastmen and skaven

they are the faceless evil generic horde army

[arctic talon]

ngl

Orks and skaven got more going on

Beastmen had stuff

in AoS

in WHFB

[storm jungle]

You know what I mean you fucker

[arctic talon]

yes

[storm jungle]

but yeah its why its funny when like

a story actually gives the imperials no plot armor sometimes in books

and the nids just-

steamroll them

its very depressing

lmao

Mfw Anphelion Project

[arctic talon]

gryphonne iv

lyl

[rose thorn]

I know the AOS team are upset they made them give up beastmen

[arctic talon]

Also Devestation of baal

until Deus Ex Khorne

LOL

the blood angels are getting cooked for like most of the book

[tough haven]

Id love to see no plot armor either side army fights

[storm jungle]

Imperial Armor is for you my friend

[rose thorn]

"hey guys we just remade your oldest and most importnat model in your whole army! and we made you a new vanguard and you have a really fun terrain feature and endles spells :3"

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[arctic talon]

Imperial Armor

(peak fiction)

[arctic talon]

GW finance bros staring at the model team

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

(they're about to break the news)

the loss of imperial armor makes me so sad lol

GW pls

[rose thorn]

WHAT \

[arctic talon]

I know Alan Bligh died

[arctic talon]

wdym what, its been dead since 7e 💀

[rose thorn]

oh

[arctic talon]

We haven't had an imperial armor book since then

[storm jungle]

^

[rose thorn]

i thought you meant the one on the app

[arctic talon]

rip Bligh

you were a real one

[storm jungle]

Like THE MOMENT he died I.Armor lost like

all steam

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

their next expansion pack Fires of Cyraxus also died

[arctic talon]

Turns out uh

he was sliterally

[storm jungle]

AFTER THEY HAD AN ENTIRE

[arctic talon]

the only person at FW

[storm jungle]

PRESENTATION FOR IT

[arctic talon]

who wanted to do Imperial armor

which I find

derranged

but also like

[storm jungle]

tbh

[storm jungle]

its not deranged when its like peak

remember its been how many years now

[storm jungle]

and people STILL

talk about Vraks

[rose thorn]

Thought you mean this one

[arctic talon]

I will never forget Imperial Armor

also Imperial armor

was going to integrate fucking primaris

lol

[rose thorn]

Oh armour, armor

[arctic talon]

for Cyraxus somehow

you want to know why

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-evil-austin-powers-pixelbandits-homies-salute-gif-13012330243859586290

Rip Imperial Armour

[arctic talon]

because we know the funny fucking Grav Tank

was gona be in it

ITS IN GODDAMN RED SCORPION COLORS

[rose thorn]

i was about to crash out saying GK and knights lost half of their army

[arctic talon]

WE WERE THIS FUCKING CLOSE

TO GREATNESS

(maybe)

Anyways fires of cyraxus is a double whammy for me

because I play admech

and fires of cyraxus was gona be a book for Admech and Tau

lol

[vagrant fox]

Vraks and Badab is still some of the finest lore to sniff to this day

[arctic talon]

I am happy that at least

the Tau stuff came out

Hazard suits, the Tau'nar

[rose thorn]

if a chapter was involved in the Badab war you KNOW its gonna be a banger

[arctic talon]

the experimental weapons sprue that mould broke

lol

[storm jungle]

Bligh is the reason they are still talked about as the peak form of war-stuff in 40k in the lore department.

[rose thorn]

excpet salamanders

[storm jungle]

he was such a good writer

lol

[arctic talon]

I find the fucking Forgeworld

experimental weapon sprue for tau so funny

they only made one batch

because the fucking mould broke

somehow

so it went OOP instantly lol

[storm jungle]

rip Culnn in a dreadnaught

[arctic talon]

Ngl