"there are no good men, only good prey"
#40k-lore-chat
rose thorn
Iām not against villains being redeemed or showing their downfall
summer mural
I dont mind all this good guy stuff eventually, but at least give me villain venom first, thats what Im here for
I dont need all this lethal crusader shit
storm jungle
I dont mind all this good guy stuff *eventually*, but at least give me villain v...
to be fair
rose thorn
But I havenāt even seen the movie and they like
summer mural
bretonnia can do that
rose thorn
kidnap villain
make him be a good guy
storm jungle
Kraven has always been a cunt
rose thorn
an anti-hero for forever
When heās in a gay relationship
dapper gyro
Kraven is more mentally insane than many other villain in Spiderman.
summer mural
also, believe it or not, I cant tell if Kraven in this movie was pro animal or anti animal
storm jungle
He would
rose thorn
clones himself
abuses his child clones
one of them kills the rest
good job son
kills son
storm jungle
if it was the actual character
summer mural
they subverted it
dapper gyro
yes
storm jungle
hes mostly a big game hunter
that chooses to hunt the most dangerous prey
M A N
šØ
summer mural
also ...Rhino...
rose thorn
Didnāt know kraven was a dentist /j/j/j
summer mural
like why
queen laurel
Venom has been like
i love venom but my god his main universe version can now just rot for me
rose thorn
i love venom but my god his main universe version can now just rot for me
THEY MADE HIM STRAIGHT?!?!?
summer mural
yeesh
queen laurel
THEY MADE HIM STRAIGHT?!?!?
uhh yeah
dapper gyro
"Dangerous" include normally chill animals that only want to be left alone.
crisp heath
Wait venom is gay?
summer mural
yeah for sure
crisp heath
When was this a thing
dapper gyro
And the fucker wants to hunt them down.
queen laurel
mary jane's the host now
queen laurel
Wait venom is gay?
all of his bonding partners are men
dapper gyro
Venom is a "it". Not a real he or she.
queen laurel
Until well Mary Jane
storm jungle
When was this a thing
for like a decade
Eddie and the symbiote are basically boyfriends
or house husbands
lmao
queen laurel
There is like an extreme amount of homosexuality in the character at this point I cannot even deny it
summer mural
its also
summer mural
hmmm
queen laurel
the latest Rivals update has Venom do a ass-shake dance
Hey equality right sexy woman sexy men
dapper gyro
the latest Rivals update has Venom do a ass-shake dance
Wot? Is it exclusive to venom?
crisp heath
I never knew 
summer mural
so what yall are saying is
hes a turd in the wind
queen laurel
Wot? Is it exclusive to venom?
storm jungle
the venomshaker
queen laurel
They made the April fools emote just for him
queen laurel
Enough internet for today...
weakling
outer wave
If only he had more cheek š
storm jungle
real
queen laurel
>Me when the shiny alien muscle man is sexy
Hey blame the community
storm jungle
the dumbass chinese devs always cake up the women
summer mural
i do
storm jungle
men got nothing
queen laurel
I don't know why they looked at venom and said would but they did
raven stone
>Me when the shiny alien muscle man is sexy
shadow plover
storm jungle
shadow plover
they just embracing the ancient meme
crisp heath
This is making me question things I thought venom was just a "bro like charecter"
storm jungle
Bruh what rock have you been living under
the comics of venom in the last 10 years have been making jokes about this constantly lmao
crisp heath
Iv only seen the movies
queen laurel
to not know about this
queen laurel
Iv only seen the movies
that makes sense
tough haven
I don't know why they looked at venom and said would but they did
Because if they gave the emote to a different character, people would be upset
shadow plover
Wild to think there are people who's only exposure to Venom are the fucking Venom movies
tough haven
Even though they already sexualize the fuck out of every female character
spring cairn
when the coom flows, cash will follow
crisp heath
I can't stand how people feel the need to sexualise everything these days it honestly makes me extremely uncomfortable
summer mural
i love the venom movies
I feel like tom hardy was the only one who acted like this is supposed to be a comedy
crisp heath
They were good movies tbh hey
summer mural
and everyone else was acting like its the end of the world
storm jungle
I can't stand how people feel the need to sexualise everything these days it hon...
its not that far with venom
summer mural
LMAO
storm jungle
like-
the symbiote is very possessive of Eddie
it also uses very passionate language, and he does the same to it
summer mural
"Yeddie"
storm jungle
theres a lot of baggage to unpack with them ironically lol
crisp heath
Well shit I must be slow as heck
queen laurel
it also uses very passionate language, and he does the same to it
yeah it's gayer than two guys kissing on top of a rainbow
storm jungle
Its essentially like a second "life-partner" to him
tough haven
Do not the venom
tough haven
Youāre definitely getting some sort of venereal disease
summer mural
they ruined my boy carnage
summer mural
even with the lovely woody harrelson
summer mural
no carnage is fun
storm jungle
even with the lovely woody harrelson
Hes not Carnage, hes MAYHEM
summer mural
Carnage needs that satisfying death he gets in the comics, where sentry grabs him, goes to space and tears him apart
crisp heath
That episode of curb your enthusiasm w woody was good
storm jungle
Woody is good in everything
summer mural
woody is good.
storm jungle
im sure he gives the best wood to all the nice people
summer mural
also did yall know its an actual fact that his father was a paid hitman
like apparently thats why he got cast in natural born killers, because oliver stone could look at woody and tell " yeah you're telling the truth, your dad was definitely an assassin"
crisp heath
He's a bit of a nut in real life iv heard
summer mural
nah
hes great
he just smokes a lotta weed
hes been a public defender of cannabis for a while
storm jungle
We should take him to alcatraz
gray umbra
gray umbra
That movie was great
summer mural
i forgot he was even in it
crisp heath
The guy who plays the psycho in that was incredible
crisp heath
With the thing for killing cattle
summer mural
hallow saddle
No Country is a fucking goated movie of all time!!!!!!
hallow saddle
its a gogoat
crisp heath
Christopher Walken, Colin farell sam Rockwell a few more I can't quite remeber
summer mural
fulgrims model I like
not the bigggggesst fan of the wings
but still pretty good tbh
rocky gale
Apparently he can kill 23 intercessors in a turn
summer mural
oh..
rocky gale
Yea
summer mural
thats brutal
and impossible to picture
i never quite could visualize how slaanesh sneks move that fast
much less fulgrim
at least keepers of secrets look like they can really zoom
summer mural
im only gonna buy aos models now tbh, the quality is great
mainly deepkin or ossiarch
i really like gargants, but I feel like the poses on the gargant models arent great
crisp heath
I havnt bought anything from gw in years
I'll go look in the shop every now and then but
It's just to costly
summer mural
its costly for sure
i havent been buying anything yet either
Ive been saving up for games mostly
summer mural
for games? I tend to not buy anything on launch tbh
summer mural
I have a weird thing about playing games when they arent getting any more updates ( provided its singleplayer) and when they have all dlc for them done, thats why I still havent played rogue trader, I will eventually, I just want all the updates done
even though I know its fully enjoyable rn
summer mural
everyone has
crisp heath
I'm bad at it though and those type of games
crisp heath
Oh these are dnd games right?
summer mural
not the best for sure , but up there as some of the best rpg games
rocky gale
No
summer mural
ah yes
rocky gale
They're Pathfinder games
sacred bluff
pathfinder is 5e
rocky gale
pathfinder is 5e
https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-jk-simmons-get-the-fuck-out-get-off-fuck-off-gif-2841647764851152233
gray umbra
Rogue trader is easier to get into than pathfinder
summer mural
yeah pathfinder is kinda insane
because of how committed it is to the ruleset for a videogame
gray umbra
Pathfinder is easy to get really lost into character builds
gray umbra
The theme of wrath of the righteous makes me nut
crisp heath
Well probably not for me I only like rt cause it's warhamer lore
gray umbra
I need to finish that game
rocky gale
Pathfinder is basically 3.5e D&D but with the enhanced Autism DLC
summer mural
Well probably not for me I only like rt cause it's warhamer lore
probably total war wh
crisp heath
Yeah I got into the total war games
gray umbra
...and finish kingmaker 
summer mural
same
crisp heath
Also wasnt very good at these lol
rocky gale
...and finish kingmaker <:cryy:681659121019387924>
I refuse, Pathfinder sucks
crisp heath
I grew up playing like cod battlefield counterstrike
summer mural
I got screwed over because the first truly great 'modern' rpg I played was dos 2, and all the really good ones after that could never dethrone for it me personally
till bg3
gray umbra
Bg3 was fantastic
summer mural
its the same studio that did dos 2
so im not surprised
dos 3 WHEN LARIAN
WHENNNN
gray umbra
Never
summer mural
GIVE IT TO ME NOW, IM RABID
gray umbra
Is the patch out yet for bg3 with all the subclasses n shit
crisp heath
Way different combat system tho it was like a poe game
rocky gale
Is the patch out yet for bg3 with all the subclasses n shit
Nope
gray umbra
I wanna try out bladesinger wizard and abuse the diadem
rocky gale
and as far as we know it's still atleast another month away
gray umbra
Rip
rocky gale
No confirmed release date on it and from what I heard from playtesters on the Beta it's still got tons of bugs to sort out before they even think about a full release
gray umbra
I need to try something that isnt paladin/warlock or some mix build on my mc
Smitesmitesmitesmitesmite
But i love magic swordguy trope
arctic talon
Pathfinder is basically 3.5e D&D but with the enhanced Autism DLC
You say this like itās a bad thing
arctic talon
But i love magic swordguy trope
Arcane trickster is going to be viable now bcs it gets booming blade lol
rocky gale
You say this like itās a bad thing
It's the bad kind
arctic talon
No pathfinder is good smh
rocky gale
It's awful
arctic talon
Subjective taste moment
Pathfinder 2e is worse then 1e because it streamlined in the wrong way imo
They should have made it more distinct
rocky gale
They should have discontinued it
rocky gale
Pathfinder is like the worst system I know
arctic talon
If you say dnd 5e is the best system you know Iām throwing you in a river smh
rocky gale
It's not, but it's so much better
arctic talon
I think you should treat them more distinctly personally
Iām ngl
Because pathfinder and dnd 5e are trying to do 2 dif things
rocky gale
I know they're trying to do different things, Pathfinder just does it badly
arctic talon
I disagree
rocky gale
3.5 had it's own set of problems, Pathfinder basically just decided to give those problems steroids and treat them as a feature
arctic talon
Yeah and itās interesting
rocky gale
It really isn't
outer wave
I wish Pathfinder didn't just make poor planning of builds completely fucked for mid to late game content
rocky gale
Cool, you're the only one comparing it to 5e
arctic talon
I wish Pathfinder didn't just make poor planning of builds completely fucked for...
Yeah itās not great lol
But preplanning is neat
outer wave
Yeah itās not great lol
Like I love the idea of Pathfinder and I'd love to play a campaign some day in that system BUT that bit takes me out tbh
arctic talon
Idk, I wish 5e had more crunch to it.
Sometimes when running it for groups lol
PF has too much crunch arguably
I think what it does is interesting though and the action economy system is neat
outer wave
5e is relatively light on crunch yeah, but that also makes it easier to get into which is why it's so popular
rocky gale
Pathfinder for me just completely ruins the fun of all Roleplaying, like it doesn't matter what you think is cool or fun, you've built your character incorrectly and are now completely useless
outer wave
Yeaaaah
outer wave
Pathfinder for me just completely ruins the fun of all Roleplaying, like it does...
I know there's a FF themed homebrew based in Pathfinder that might be a lil bit more balanced but didn't play much of it
arctic talon
PF2E also gets around this
By railroading you more with your build
So you donāt brick yourself lol
arctic talon
I know there's a FF themed homebrew based in Pathfinder that might be a lil bit ...
Itās not bad, but Iāve only done a one shot with it
Itās prolly an unbalanced mess eventually
outer wave
I really wanted to play more of it
Yeah maybe
Still wanted to play more of my bone breaker dragon woman person
rocky gale
If we're doing the 5e vs Pathfinder comparison, you can glance at 5e, pick something you find fun and play 100 sessions with it and have the time of your life. Pathfinder you can spend 2 hours theorycrafting builds, pick something you think works and then find out in the first session it doesn't work and you need to rebuild. It's just not something I want as part of my RP games.
Like I've tried it before and it was a miserable experience for both the DM and players, I've tried the Owlcat Pathfinder games and I just cannot get over the Pathfinder mechanics.
arctic talon
So you just dislike the mechanics of it, which is fine. I wouldnāt call it a bad game though personally
outer wave
She does make a valid argument though of why it's not the best system
arctic talon
Yeah
I donāt think itās the best system at all
I donāt think thereās any ābestā ttrpg system personally
rocky gale
Yea Best system is subjective
arctic talon
Since subjective taste ultimately rules what you and your group enjoy gameplay and system wise
But yeah I have a list of grievances with PF1e thatās prolly a mile long lol
outer wave
Best system for her idea of TTRPG games* I should've said instead my bad
arctic talon
But I still enjoy it
rocky gale
But my opinion of Pathfinder can only be described as outright hatred, it has zero redeeming qualities and is a blight on the ttrpg community
arctic talon
Oh also ngl DND4e isnāt even bad
Iām kind of sad it basically got taken out back and executed lol
rocky gale
Yea the reaction to it was overblown
winged jacinth
I know im scrolled back 2 days but they removed them for bloat reasons and added a rule that you can play any half race and to just pick one of the halves' trait package, so now you can play half dwarves or half races that don't have human parents and stuff
winged jacinth
Oh hey ttrpg stuff rolled back around lol
arctic talon
winged jacinth
Wotc managed to only learn the wrong lessons from 4e
arctic talon
Idk my personal favorite system is either Lancer or like Delta green tbh
rocky gale
The funny thing is so many great DM's will take the rules from 4e and put them into 5e and the players will go "Wow, that mechanic you came up with is great" and then the same players will then talk about 4e ruining D&D
arctic talon
I do actually like 5e though
arctic talon
The funny thing is so many great DM's will take the rules from 4e and put them i...
Ask if someone complaining about 4e played 4e
They didnāt
the cycle continues
winged jacinth
4e is a great tactical miniatures game that's not got a lot of codified noncombat stuff so its an excellent choice to sew onto another system
arctic talon
PF2E is funny in that it feels like a weird clusterfuck between 3e, 4e and 5e
I think they should have leaned into the 4e and 5e stuff personally
Make it more distinct from 1e, but it does play more like 4e and 5e then 3.5e imo
winged jacinth
The 4e setting is almost comical in its nonexistence
Its like a big valley with no named neighbors
winged jacinth
I wish exalted was good to play the setting seems awesome
That's more 3.5spawn though
arctic talon
Exalted is def a child of 3.5
gray umbra
Like I've tried it before and it was a miserable experience for both the DM and ...
Lvl 1 monk dip for crane style ac bonus 
arctic talon
I think Lancer will prolly stay as my favorite TTRPG like
Until I die lol
Or something changes heavily
queen laurel
I think Lancer will prolly stay as my favorite TTRPG like
I'm gonna be honest the ability to make your own mech and allow them to box god is a very good thing
outer wave
How is Starfinder btw?
arctic talon
But Iām not sure if thatās because itās actually a wargame wearing the skin suit of a ttrpg
Starfinder is good if you like pathfinder lol
winged jacinth
Lancer looks great, i love the art by the K6BD guy
I have done horrible things to pf1e
arctic talon
If you donāt like pathfinder wait for starfinder 2e
outer wave
Gotcha
arctic talon
Imo if you dislike pathfinder 1e
Iād at least give a look at PF2E
Itās very different as a system but it could have been so much more imo
winged jacinth
In wrath of the righteous my seelah had 86 ac and did 600 damage a turn
outer wave
Lancer to me doesn't seem that appealing? It doesn't seem to have a ton of RPable moments and it's based on the mission by mission
winged jacinth
She had levels in 6 classes
arctic talon
Lancer to me doesn't seem that appealing? It doesn't seem to have a ton of RPabl...
Youāre supposed to stick RP between missions
queen laurel
my other system i like is soul bound
outer wave
Youāre supposed to stick RP between missions
Gotcha gotcha
arctic talon
The structure for Lancer is different but you get as much RP as other systems(imo)
queen laurel
It's too basic but that's the thing I like I don't want things too complicated for my stupid lizard brain
arctic talon
Mission(Encounter, Encounter, RP, Encounter, RP) mission complete
Shove in more encounter or RP per mission
And then you run RP heavy stuff
queen laurel
Shove in more encounter or RP per mission
yeah i'm not gonna lie it seems that you either play or pick one thing
arctic talon
Before you go back to mission
arctic talon
Nah, repairs and rests are good for RP
You can also have RP post encounter
Also having RP sessions to interact with things is also necessary imo
queen laurel
Also having RP sessions to interact with things is also necessary imo
to be fair it's not a RPG without an RP you know
playing a tabletop RPG like competitive rank is certainly a choice
arctic talon
lol
winged jacinth
You basically run rp segments whenever you have to leave your mech
arctic talon
yeah
winged jacinth
Be it rest type stuff or going into a facility or something
arctic talon
there's also the stress/bond system that Karrakin trade baronies added
which can let you integrate even more RP into combat lol
queen laurel
there's also the stress/bond system that Karrakin trade baronies added
To be fair how different is pilot combat compared to mech combat
queen laurel
but nothing like reactors and stuff
i see
winged jacinth
You need a mech system to tell mech stories and you can't really rp much outside the party while you're meching
arctic talon
imo the core rulebook for Lancer has some issues with giving GMs direction on how to actually run the damn system imo
winged jacinth
(You can tell the same stories with tanks and stuff but the same applies)
arctic talon
the supplemental stuff like Karrakin is much better for that
which feels weird to say
arctic talon
You need a mech system to tell mech stories and you can't really rp much outside...
yeah the only people you can RP with are enemies really when you're stomping around in your mech lol
winged jacinth
I need to play the battletech strategy game again with the tabletop content mod
arctic talon
actually
now that I think about it
thats a lot of issues with modern TTRPGs
they don't give enough to GMs lol
winged jacinth
One of my groups is pilot testing the dm's new system tonight im looking forward to it
5e gives gms nothing
winged jacinth
Not in the dmg or any other rulebook
arctic talon
and then says do what you want 
winged jacinth
And the adventures are terrible examples too lol
arctic talon
I wonder if DND 5e started this trend
in modern TTRPGs lol
hey some of 5e's adventures are good
Descent to Avernus is good
and uhhhhh
Storm Kings Thunder
arctic talon
also curse of strahd
arctic talon
Descent is a railroad with one fork lol
Tbh that doesn't make it bad imo
being a railroad with one fork LOL
winged jacinth
Strahd is decent i think, rime is actually good
winged jacinth
being a railroad with one fork LOL
I mean it says if you don't play along exactly in the baldurs gate section the flaming fist sends 8 cr3 guards to arrest you lol
For level 1 and 2
arctic talon
I mean it says if you don't play along exactly in the baldurs gate section the f...
this is why I redid that part
sorry what
winged jacinth
After you descend into avernus the only effective choice in the module as written is the first landmark you travel to
arctic talon
yeah
winged jacinth
You can make it work it just takes a lot to add player agency
Also why do your characters not start in and escape elturel so they care about the place lol
winged jacinth
I wrote a whole extra segment in elturel for my start yeah lol
arctic talon
actually I def didn't run Descent as intended
I fucking redid the starting portion lol
rocky gale
I ran Descent by rewritting 95% of Descent
arctic talon
that sounds about right
I think the portions in Hell didn't need too much work
at least from what I remember
winged jacinth
I had some red herring stuff then eventually they left town and found an abandoned cult hideout with letters and stuff
They're walking back and the descent is happening lol
winged jacinth
I kept a lot of hells locations but i rewrote the content and the travel
arctic talon
covid really fucked with my perception of time
winged jacinth
I ran Descent by rewritting 95% of Descent
So yeah lol about 85% probably
I should have just written a new campaign it probably would have been easier
rocky gale
I had some red herring stuff then eventually they left town and found an abandon...
It's really funny if you wrote that yourself because there's an Adventure League module that's about a group of people escaping from Elturel and fleeing to Baldurs Gate and it does basically the same thing
winged jacinth
Lmao
rocky gale
I know it used to be
winged jacinth
I did a bunch of connection building, location introducing, and foreshadowing in mine
rocky gale
I remember when I ran it, I adapted the AL module to act as the new starting point for Descent
rocky gale
So then when they arrived at Baldurs Gate where the book actually starts they were lvl 3 instead of lvl1 which like they still almost died to some of those early encounters
winged jacinth
Rime of the frostmaiden needed minimal work i think that ones pretty decent
I haven't read anything newer than the circus one
rocky gale
I think the last ones I've read are Rime and the Critical Role one
Netherdeep
I think it was called
arctic talon
dragon heist is good apparently
winged jacinth
I bet mercer writes a decent module though i don't like his rules writing
winged jacinth
Dragon heist is pretty good and there's an overhaul online that makes it really good
The alexandrian did it
rocky gale
I bet mercer writes a decent module though i don't like his rules writing
Yea his rules are either absurdly powerful or ridiculously weak and there is no inbetween
winged jacinth
I played a dex-maxxed witcher blood hunter and it was the best early game class by a mile
Any other way to play the class is not good
rocky gale
Like I think it's his Blood magic Wizard rules where it's abilities are just weaker than any of the regular wizard subclasses, then it just gets random debuffs to on top of it for basically no reason to make it even weaker.
arctic talon
gunslinger
š
I'm ngl he should have just stolen taken inspiration from Pathfinder gunslinger
winged jacinth
Dex blood hunter loses out to great weapon battle cleric at level 4 specifically
That's an evil build i pulled once
arctic talon
rather then whatever the fuck it was that he made
rocky gale
Like great, I'm weaker than just a standard evocation wizard and I deal damage to myself to use my abilities that are worse than the standard evocation abilities
arctic talon
yeah
rocky gale
Then you get the Echo Knight fighter which is just insanely good
winged jacinth
All these rules are like 3x longer than they need to be lol
winged jacinth
Echo knight is my favorite fighter ill give you that
rocky gale
Yea it was added in one of the Critical Role setting rulebooks
rocky gale
The Wildemount explorses book
arctic talon
and they should give battlemaster even more to work with
winged jacinth
His gravity and time mages are total nothing too lol
Fighter could use more interactive tools yeah
arctic talon
I wish 5e took what it learned about martials from 4e
lol
like ????
ITS RIGHT THERE
winged jacinth
There's already barb for the players that don't want to think in combat
arctic talon
WOTC had a chance to add that shit in with DND 5.5e? 2024? whatever the fuck its called
winged jacinth
5.1 i think
arctic talon
I do like the new weapon system
that is cool
I don't like the new background system as much but I can just always steal Tasha's system
DND 5.1e is wonky
feels like they wanted their cake and to eat it too
winged jacinth
I really haven't looked at it, none of my groups are playing 5e and im too busy to dm
arctic talon
my group wants to run it partially for their next 5e thing
winged jacinth
They broke all the legacy character sheets and custom entries which has majorly annoyed some of the players in a group on long term hiatus lol
arctic talon
weird name
arctic talon
I'm ngl I like One D&D more then DND 5e 2024
rocky gale
So they just kept 5e and say "It's 2024 rules"
queen laurel
what 's the space dnd where you can be a slime
arctic talon
same with Perkins
queen laurel
called again
arctic talon
what 's the space dnd where you can be a slime
Spelljammer
queen laurel
Spelljammer
got ya
arctic talon
oh also wtf did they do to Banneret lol
rocky gale
Ruined it
arctic talon
why the fuck does it have an actual purple dragon baby
like ????
where tf did that come from lol
rocky gale
Like just straight up removed the entire point
rocky gale
They deadass saw it was called "Purple Dragon Knight" and thought "Oh hey lets give it a purple dragon"
rocky gale
Banneret is like one of my favourite archetyes and I was so excited to see if 2024 would fix it vs the SCAG rules, but god they just removed it's soul
Removed the entire point of the subclass and then gave them a dragon for some reason
outer wave
Man I kinda wish we had the old mystic in 5e
The one that was stupidly broken early game then fell off hard late
arctic talon
Banneret is like one of my favourite archetyes and I was so excited to see if 20...
its a tragedy what happened to it
spring cairn
Probably one of my favorite D&D races
is that a fucking hamster
arctic talon
is that a fucking hamster
yeah its a giant space hamster
also their meat is considered a delicacy
spring cairn
I was far away from my screen and at first I thought it was a real hamster edited in there like that
winged jacinth
they're the consequence of a legacy joke about a normal sized hamster being a dwarf giant space hamster
which it canonically is
queen laurel
yeah its a giant space hamster
Apparently this is what Boo is from baldurs gate
winged jacinth
that guy started showing up again yeah
winged jacinth
minsk and boo
winged jacinth
its pretty funny how much d&d lore is just old campaigns
arctic talon
also just
winged jacinth
"my little brother didnt know what to name his male elf and now Melf is in the rulebooks"
arctic talon
Ed Greenwood
Ed's
certianly a guy lol
he's kinda weird in a harmless way but he made the forgotten realms
winged jacinth
"elminster has a narnia type portal to the back of my fridge he uses to steal beer"
(real)
arctic talon
still canonā¢ļø
thank god Ed does not have the power to canonize anything he posts on twitter
LOL
He has to post it on an actual website rather then just putting whatever's on his mind on twitter
rocky gale
Someone post the tweet about tiefling breastmilk tasting of cinnamon and elf's tasting like berries
queen laurel
Someone post the tweet about tiefling breastmilk tasting of cinnamon and elf's t...
welp that's something
rocky gale
Yea and it was from like one of the Forgotten realms writers
celest dome
I suppose that Dwarf's taste like mead or beer ?
outer wave
Meaty, gamey
celest dome
That'd be Ork no ?
queen laurel
That'd be Ork no ?
nah orcs taste like protein shakes
arctic talon
He's got a few milk incidents
Let me compile them lol
@outer wave for your viewing pleasure and or displeasure
Ed Greenwood is truly an interesting man
storm jungle
He's got a few milk *incidents*
šø
queen laurel
<@1009094205374730290> for your viewing pleasure and or displeasure
well that is
huh
i can't even say anything
arctic talon
šø
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082483302671319191/1303581140682276895/minecraft_discord.gif
vagrant fox
Hmm, I'd go for the chicken flavour
queen laurel
to give us mental flashbangs
thank goodness with my Ironjaw level thinking i can resist most of it but like as you can see
arctic talon
the fundamentals for DND's main setting
queen laurel
what the hell do i even say man
arctic talon
and still writes for WOTC
idk Ed Greenwood is a weird but really good writer?
he's like a little weird about a lot of stuff
but not in like a concerning way imo
queen laurel
idk Ed Greenwood is a weird but really good writer?
i guess it's a gimmick
after all a weird gimmick really makes people love you
If I know one thing about internet
queen laurel
he's been at this forever LOL
I guess I wasn't familiar with his game
tough haven
the fundamentals for DND's main setting
Yes, like every race's milk flavor
tough haven
"Guys you dont understand its necessary for the lore"
arctic talon
I love how one of his "abridged" lore documents he gave to a writer
was fucking 84 pages long
like ????????
jesus fucking christ how long is the full version
tough haven
Bro's passionate
arctic talon
anyways uh he's not a bad person and I feel much better about supporting him then like
fucking Gary Gygax lol
queen laurel
anyways uh he's not a bad person and I feel much better about supporting him the...
I mean if you answer someone's question about breast milk in your setting then you need to be kind of a bit of a Saint really
You need like a lot of patience for people like that
arctic talon
like yeah Gygax was important and set a lot of groundwork but he also was uh
not a great person imo
spring cairn
Gygax, the villainous entity from earthbound ?
late osprey
ed greenwood is unironically a talentless hack, his milklore is just scratching the surface
late osprey
this isn't canon(probably) but Ed did uh
it's all canon per the contracts IIRC
unfortunately said contracts did screw him ove,r which is objectively fucked
arctic talon
only if he publishes on candlekeep iirc
late osprey
but still, FR being made the Primary Setting has been disastrous for DND
arctic talon
ed greenwood is unironically a talentless hack, his milklore is just scratching ...
I wouldn't call him talentless ngl
he does write actually interesting lore imo
Forgotten realms aren't that bad
they're basic but whatever, its cohesive imo
even if its not my favorite DND setting
late osprey
FR is terrible, im sorry to say
the naming schemas are all schizophrenic, basically any semblance of human culturebuilding is nonexistant
arctic talon
good taste
late osprey
secondary, i do like Greyhawk, but it is still Gygaxian as you said
so that detracts from it
Birthright is awesome
arctic talon
my favorite is prolly between Eberron or planescape
lol
I don't actually dislike the FR
because its a very blank slatey setting that you can make a lot of stuff work in
late osprey
i do but my dislike is more heightened by just how often im forced to play in it
winged jacinth
Its a true kitchen sink
late osprey
otherwise itd be more like a whatever thing like all the other mediocre settings
winged jacinth
Its got literally everything
late osprey
there are many eyeroll cases like how practically every non-white culture is just "lol they were teleported from earth"
but its not the WORST setting ever conceived, just again
im especially critical because im forced to engage w/ it
arctic talon
okay well yeah thats just a case of you're forced to get drowned in it
lol
I don't blame you for the dislike of it then
winged jacinth
A lot of the nonwhite human areas are basically all old old lore
arctic talon
there are many eyeroll cases like how practically every non-white culture is jus...
I ignore these things because they honestly fucking suck lol
arctic talon
A lot of the nonwhite human areas are basically all old old lore
Which Greenwood also hated
lol
arctic talon
Chult is good after it got rewritten
late osprey
it's not just Kara-Tur, its stuff like mulhorand too
human lore is just overwhelmingly lazy in FR altogether
winged jacinth
I have a paladin of ubtao doing that module rn
late osprey
now, that being said
the more genuinely interesting FR stuff is found with the elf lore
winged jacinth
He was a druid-barbarian until recently though
late osprey
i dont know how much of it is genuinely original or just compiled from older settings' lore, but its actually good and workable
arctic talon
There's so many fucking elves in FR
its kind of insane
I don't even dislike elves but hoooooooooly shit there's a lot of elf lore
winged jacinth
Hey it could be elder scrolls
arctic talon
thats just elves all the way down
winged jacinth
Where if you're not human you're an elf lol
arctic talon
I do wonder what would happen
winged jacinth
Orcs is elves
tough haven
Im gonna be real
late osprey
tbh? they shouldve, there's not really much in the Magical Realm department there
tough haven
I always forget theres official dnd lore or settings
winged jacinth
Greyhawk is where dragonlance is right
late osprey
no Greyhawk is its own thing
winged jacinth
I enjoyed reading those as a kid
late osprey
Dragonlance is the mormon one
tough haven
I've always seen it as just vague guidelines to homebrew your own shit
rocky gale
Na Greyhawk and Dragonlance are two different settings I think
late osprey
I've always seen it as just vague guidelines to homebrew your own shit
official settings are necessary when you have larger RP communities
winged jacinth
I saw kender on d&d beyond today but i don't remember what book they were listed from
late osprey
Dragonlance is the one where both Pure Good and Pure Evil are bad and that there needs to be a balance
arctic talon
yeah Dragonlance and Greyhawk are dif
late osprey
i.e. only kill half of the orphans
arctic talon
lol
arctic talon
I saw kender on d&d beyond today but i don't remember what book they were listed...
Kender are from dragon lance yeah
kender also have been uh
rewritten to not be
you know
what they used to be
rocky gale
Are they not now just like Halflings with a different name
tough haven
official settings are necessary when you have larger RP communities
I personally just like seeing people's own creations vs the larger stuff
winged jacinth
I read those books when i was like 10 i barely remember the plot much less any allegories or whatever
tough haven
But I can see the appeal of a larger continuous setting
late osprey
in FR its just hilarious how the elf lore is this wholly continuous grand story with consistent worldbuilding and philosophies
arctic talon
Are they not now just like Halflings with a different name
nah they're still kleptomaniac halflings, just less so
They also have a weird like
fucking hammerspace where they can pull random shit out of
late osprey
and then there's the occasional throwaway line like "And then the Human Loop Zopp Gawoop from Waterdeep did this quest for them."
like its such a juxtaposition
winged jacinth
The nice thing about forgotten realms from the Wizards side is they can write any kind of adventure in the one setting and have a fitting place for it
arctic talon
proficiency bonus + 1 per short rest
also uh, whatever gets pulled out isn't real and vanishes after 1 hour
so you can scam people with it
because of course you can
late osprey
i would say, if we were to decanonize Ed Greenwood's Magical Realm
FR is still better than Pathfinder's setting
i keep wanting to call it Glorantha but i think thats Runequest and i dont want to insult RQ
arctic talon
Golarion
also PF's setting
is a kitchen sink
in the worst way possible
lol
its soooooooo bad
late osprey
yeah Golarion is just hot garbage
you wanna talk about lazy schizobuilding, it makes FR look like LOTR
"yeah Sci-Fi CrashLnadia is right next to this Medieval Feudal Kingdom and they have been for 8 billion years"
queen laurel
also PF's setting
hey wolf what's the tallest race you can play in dnd, every expansion included don't leave a single one
late osprey
not wolf, but depends on the edition
5th has much more quality control than 3rd so Goliath i think
arctic talon
yeah that
late osprey
3rd is wacky so i bet theres even like playable giants in the right book
arctic talon
literally the only 2 things I really like in Golarion are like
Cheliax and Absalom
and some of the other stuff surrounding it
winged jacinth
I think so too unless they added stick aliens in spelljammer or something
arctic talon
that stuff isn't weird jumping schizobuilding lore
queen laurel
good enough
arctic talon
and is somewhat comprehendable
late osprey
goliath is sorta like what most people ACTUALLY want to play when they say "i wanna play orcs"
big honorbound barbarian warrior
winged jacinth
Loxodon or centaurs might be taller im not looking at 5etools rn
outer wave
<@1009094205374730290> for your viewing pleasure and or displeasure
I mean, the teifling thing is kinda hot but bruh I didn't need to know this from a DnD dev guy
arctic talon
Oh yeah Loxodons are huge
winged jacinth
Ty for both parts of that input
late osprey
i do like Ravnica quite a lot as a setting, i actually do think the premise is a more refined version of Sigil
so my ideal setting would be Planescape but with Ravnica instead of Sigil as the center
arctic talon
so my ideal setting would be Planescape but with Ravnica instead of Sigil as the...
do you like Ravnica more because of how like, more city like it is?
or
late osprey
only the context of the other day
late osprey
do you like Ravnica more because of how like, more city like it is?
i think the city structure/government is more believable in ravnica
arctic talon
I c
late osprey
with sigil they tried to make the government split up between these wacky philosophies which sometimes was just jarring and silly
i think the guild system is just way better
both from a worldbuilding perspective and an RP one
late osprey
also i dont really like the Lady of Pain, i think shes too much of a contrivance/blatant DM tool
id have preferred something a bit more elegant, Ravnica's answer of "why no civil wars"tend to be a bit more elegant in that way
arctic talon
also i dont really like the Lady of Pain, i think shes too much of a contrivance...
Lady of pain is literally just the DM smiting you the character
Well ācharacterā
late osprey
yeah exactly
arctic talon
Also are you a great wheel, world axis or tree enjoyer
late osprey
i was brought up on the Great Wheel, i'll die on the Great Wheel
plus Great Wheel has the Outland which is awesome
arctic talon
I agree on wheel
winged jacinth
also a wheel fan
late osprey
i think the tree came first but in general i dont care for the Interloper stuff
winged jacinth
it's the canon again in 5e
late osprey
so like on FR i dont like that the main law god is Tyr, or that the Mulhorandi pantheon is JUST the Egyptian deities
thats not unique to FR though
i think they're mostly Gygaxian holdovers from when DND was just drunk dudes in basements spitting out the first deity name that came to mind
arctic talon
Great wheel is just
late osprey
"uhhh THOR, yeah thors awesome"
arctic talon
Simple and nice
winged jacinth
yeah that's some classic "early player wanted to worship tyr so tyr is in the setting lol"
the funny thing about tyr is we basically know nothing about Tyr worship historically
except that he was not considered a resolver of disputes
arctic talon
But yeah itās weird tyr is a thing
late osprey
in conventional conceptions of the alignment
winged jacinth
Tyr's main attestation is tricking fenrir into being bound by gleipnir at the cost of a hand
arctic talon
My players love it but they also donāt hate 4e
late osprey
also Planescape unfortunately emphasizes the greeks in CG, but you can alternatively emphasize Arvandor and the Elves instead at least
Ysgard is still fucked though
arctic talon
I do wonder how many of the people who say āI hate 4eā
Actually hate 4e and have played it
winged jacinth
the weird thing about how little we know of tyr is that tyr worship was extremely widespread, probably moreso than thor worship for example
but we know basically nothing
arctic talon
Or at least read the rules
late osprey
i mean to my knowledge it NEVER really took off period
so its not like people were forced to play it at conventions
you could still just play 3rd
arctic talon
the weird thing about how little we know of tyr is that tyr worship was extremel...
It may be a case of like, itās so common no one needs to write it down
Lol
opaque coyote
Elzunix
opaque coyote
Elzunix
She is like me fr
Except attractive
And a woman
And white
And living in 40k
late osprey
the weird thing about how little we know of tyr is that tyr worship was extremel...
i dont think we know much at all about any specific rituals considering the source material, but Tyr as one of the Aesir is highly unlikely to have been treated too terribly different than the other more-preserved deities
aka still a horrible person by any modern standard
arctic talon
Well yeah
winged jacinth
i dont think we know much at all about any specific rituals considering the sour...
i mean theres a bunch of thor stories in the eddas at least (which admittedly is more or less the limit of our knowledge lol)
late osprey
i mean theres a bunch of thor stories in the eddas at least (which admittedly is...
thor and odin
winged jacinth
we find tons of tyr idols and runic dedications and stuff archeologically
late osprey
the main thing is that like
when zeus does something horrible its because the greeks are trying to prescribe fallibility to their deities, or otherwise are trying to tell a story with a moral
as far as we (or at least i when i started looking into this stuff) know, the vikings genuinely saw nothing wrong with prescribing horrible things to, say, odin
that it was simply ordinary or even awesome to them
winged jacinth
Odin's primary character trait as i understand it is his desperation to avoid his inevitable death
late osprey
abetted by how the vikings treat other humans in the sagas
late osprey
Odin's primary character trait as i understand it is his desperation to avoid hi...
and that sorta adds to the point
that when odin and thor reminisce about doing something horrible together, the story essentially treats it like a footnote
utterly irrelevant
akin to "remember the time we went to the bar lol"
winged jacinth
im so excited for leman russ to return and have his role in his ragarok allegory be VĆĆ°arr
show up and tear angron in half with a cool boot he found in the warp
late osprey
man i sure cannot wait for the Emperor to give up his eye to see into the future and ride on his eight-legged horse
just as the Space Wolves predicted!
sacred ginkgo
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
Drukhari being libertarian is accurate lol
winged jacinth
i'd argue ork hordes are authoritarian by nature
but i guess its kinda weird to categorize since its a bunch of anarchists being controlled by an absolute leader
rose thorn
https://youtu.be/RKgIxMPWAP4?si=OlXXpA0r9l4Njqlz
How the fuck is gsc auth left
rose thorn
Oh itās nids
Bruh I wish warhammer was unpopular again all these content creators making Warhammer content because of space marine 2 suck
late osprey
jregs not like the others
crystal forum
there's actual odds that jreg has never even seen a space marine
arctic talon
15th of April
Sooner then I expected ngl
queen laurel
Sooner then I expected ngl
What class Are you excited for me personally i'm excited for the giant barbarian
Elemental attacks and being bigger than anyone else
Sounds of the dream
arctic talon
Bladesinger, circle of stars, toll the dead death domain
bold veldt
15th of April
2 days before bdayš„³
queen laurel
Bladesinger, circle of stars, ~~toll the dead~~ death domain
What i'm also excited for drunk monk
Drink alcohol
Absolutely deck a motherfucker
arctic talon
Death domain exists entirely to fulfill clerics lack of good direct damage spells
With toll the dead lol
Also switch Viconia to death domain
also shart has a good lore friendly option for a subclass that isnāt awful
With death domain
outer wave
What i'm also excited for drunk monk
Played drunken master, was very fun
arctic talon
I think oath of the crown was a mistake choice wise
Itās very inline with oath of devotion
And very goody two shoes
Thereās literally (formerly) oath of conquest Paladin with the oath breaker
They should have picked oath of conquest even if it is like, objectively a pretty evil subclass or oath of redemption because itās a far more interesting one RP wise
Retribution isnāt evil but it allows for a more varied and or aggressive role play or how you approach a situation.
Crown, devotion and ancients are all very much
Kind good person the archetype, always fights fair, donāt lie, Ect.
Or in the case of crown literally enforcing a rulers will or the law often
If they wanted that they should have picked oath of redemption, not crown, crown imo is literally one of the most boring fucking oaths in existence
arctic talon
crown is even boring to play
The greatest sin, maybe Larien can make it not awful to play lol
Anyways conquest or redemption would have been way more fun imo
Conquest because mass murder warcrime damage Paladin
And redemption because charisma/cc/protecting Allies proactively is way more fun imo
Then again I suppose they donāt want rebuke violence because the ability to turn any ambush into an absolute slaughter in your favor lol
fringe moth
Is there a lore reason why so many haircuts have an undercut in the game?
Not a shitpost question, actually curious
dapper gyro
Bruh I wish warhammer was unpopular again all these content creators making Warh...
You are not tired of the 50th guys "explaining" the same subject without digging any deeper? Here another one. /s.
dapper gyro
Is there a lore reason why so many haircuts have an undercut in the game?
The answer is no.
queen laurel
My best bet is the military culture of the imperium but other than that basically nothing
But even that reasoning has enough holes in it that it looks like a cheese grater
rose thorn
You are not tired of the 50th guys "explaining" the same subject without digging...
"do the imperium cannibalism?"
dapper gyro
The 40K youtube space is so saturated.
Halo used to be as well, though MS killed it.
tough haven
If there was more non sm/imperium content in the youtube space it would be more varied
900th space marine youtuber jimbo
lofty mason
I just learned about Ambulon, the walking hive city, and WTF.
arctic talon
Calaxis has some fun stuff
green loom
The secret of warhams lore that the boring puritans don't want you to know is you can make some wild shit and hand wave it
storm jungle
No thats not allowed
anyway allow me to talk about my canon space marine chapter who has their own forgeworld around their plane-
crystal forum
did you know orks can breathe in space if they belie-
plush mason
sly ivy
did you know orks can breathe in space if they belie-
Can orks bring Eternal back if they believe in him
crystal forum
wait did eternal get banned
outer wave
Yep
sly ivy
Bro where ur gay ass been
sly ivy
Sorry u had 2 find out this way
young pecan
did you know orks can breathe in space if they belie-
Did you know in a paint factory orks are immortal 
Did did did you no orks can just say no to your bullet if they don't believe in it hehe
rose thorn
Did you know in a paint factory orks are immortal <:nerdie:1186296387625828392>
Dnd tubers really do be making up the worst warhammer lore
rose thorn
I remember people my pfps
storm jungle
Im gonna miss his 24/7 arguments
languid meadow
drunk drove too close to the sun
storm jungle
my old woman vibes wont be the same without him š
storm jungle
Also constantly defending space marine slop at every interval
wont be the same anymore
rose thorn
Lmao
storm jungle
rose thorn
He was our only iron hands lore expert
storm jungle
We'll manage I guess š
But yeah I got like so many reports of him being disruptive that I ignored for over a year to be lenient, another mod saw the shit he has done and booted his ass
š
it was during a minecraft movie argument too
insane stuff
storm jungle
We all should wish to go out in such an epic manner
rose thorn
hey has anyone here played daggerfall
rose thorn
Yeah