40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

They are also like

very much different

theres nothing like Eldar in fiction lol

[arctic talon]

They have way more in common with the traditonal fantasy dwarves

Then elves lol

Cursed knowledge

[bright yew]

With some chapters I told her that

Ultramarines: Romans in space
Imperial fists: bob the builder
Space wolves: Viking furries

[arctic talon]

But it’s true

You literally cannot escape

[sacred bluff]

I hear dark eldar are fun

[arctic talon]

Eldar share more stuff with whfb dwarves then whfb elves

100% lol

It’s not even fucking close

[sacred bluff]

what are the sex torture eldar

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar sort of

[sacred bluff]

drukhari

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Though I doubt the average kabalite is that into sex

Tbh

[storm jungle]

They are more into flaying you yeah

[arctic talon]

Or other

More fun actives

[sacred bluff]

But I'm too cute 🥺

[arctic talon]

Like decapitation competitions

[arctic talon]

Good torture pet

[sacred bluff]

☺️

[arctic talon]

An example of what being a prized “pet” is, is if you ask what maharazi what he was going to do to you lol

Which is a lot of torture

[storm jungle]

LMAO elite 💀

tho tbh Marz' thing is hes more "understanding" than your common dark eldar too

[late osprey]

every time they're characterized that ive ever seen, they draw from the exact wellspring of tropes that you'd expect from a more generic fantasy, up to and including:

• gratuitous and incessant tragedy
• human+ mental descriptions (humans, but more emotional/refined/sophisticated)
• the aforementioned beloved arrogance

[storm jungle]

Because only gav thorpe writes them

[arctic talon]

Literally

For the love of god

[storm jungle]

and hes a bad writer

this isnt that deep

[arctic talon]

Read something that’s not from gav for cwe

For eldar

Or even just codex and rulebook lore

That shit is good

This is like me saying all chaos space marine books are ass and unoriginal because I read the plagiarized war memoirs

[late osprey]

hate on the ol Thorpe all you like, evidently GW likes his interpretations because i also see it across GW's media

including the otherwise fantastic Rogue Trader RPG

and just about all of the RTS's

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot more to them

Is my point

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

You’re approaching them at a surface level

[storm jungle]

this isnt a faction problem

this is a writer problem

[arctic talon]

And treating it like it’s the only thing

[storm jungle]

yeah that too

[arctic talon]

This is literally a depth issue

This is like saying all tech priests are a stupid cargo cult who don’t know what they’re doing

[hallow saddle]

i think hes a good writer, but not at everything

[late osprey]

im sure they have a lot of potential, like any other idea, but until their DeepLore potential manifests I can't stand them

[arctic talon]

Gav is exclusively good at worldbuilding

[hallow saddle]

and characterisation is one of his weaknesses by far

[arctic talon]

I’d my take

[arctic talon]

IT LITERALLY EXISTS

[hallow saddle]

(re: gav)

[late osprey]

been waiting 20 years

[arctic talon]

Have you read Valedor?

[late osprey]

its still the same Tragedyslop

[arctic talon]

Literally any of the rulebooks relating to cwe

[late osprey]

okay it's actually all across the eldar codices

[storm jungle]

Its really not.

[hallow saddle]

fair enough yeah

[storm jungle]

Their codexes are usually where they shine because in every army codex you cant show your faction losing

[arctic talon]

Gav imo really cannot write characters

[hallow saddle]

but i think he is genuinely great at that

[arctic talon]

It’s his biggest flaw

[hallow saddle]

yeah for sure

[late osprey]

it's actually from the codices that we even get the whole thing of "their emotions are just sooo much more complex than anything a human's can understand", though naturally not as much tragedyslop granted

[hallow saddle]

which, y'know, in novels is a big drawback

[arctic talon]

Also if you dislike 40k cwe then You should dislike whfb dwarves lol

[hallow saddle]

but cooks when writing background material

[late osprey]

i dont because they fit better in fantasy

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah? That needs to be established

[late osprey]

but if you were to say i should dislike squats then yeah i dont particularly like them either

[arctic talon]

But there’s more then just that to eldar

[late osprey]

but not as much as CWE because they stay out of the way by-and-large

[arctic talon]

They literally have been involved in several of the major warzones

With 8e, 9e and 10e

[late osprey]

i dont mean in-universe stay out of the way

i mean stay out of the way in the sense that i can utterly forget they exist on occasion

[storm jungle]

I really dont understand any of these points

[late osprey]

i dont like CWE, GW portrays them too much like Space Elves

simple as

[arctic talon]

Also barely any settings I can think of have the tragic elf shit going on, so I’m not sure what other thing you’ve seen has that

[vagrant fox]

Speaking of Deldar, as a bit of a throwback, isn't there a short story where some Imperial Noble deals with Drukhari and when they get bored of the situation they carve him into little pieces attached to hooks with just nerves attaching each bit
He's entirely lucid and alive and it's real bad

[storm jungle]

So

he portrays space elves as... space elves

???

[arctic talon]

LOL

[hallow saddle]

what is CWE btwe

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Eldar

[late osprey]

craftworld eldar

[hallow saddle]

ohhhh gotcha

[arctic talon]

I cannot be assed to write the whole thing out

[storm jungle]

Yeah that lol

[hallow saddle]

ya kool

[late osprey]

yeah i wish they'd fuck off

[arctic talon]

But eldar really aren’t generic elves at all?

The only thing they share is the fucking ego

The whole amplified emotion and long tragic past thing is like

[bright yew]

And the ears

[storm jungle]

Shut up lol

[arctic talon]

Pretty original

[storm jungle]

legit like

[arctic talon]

Appearance no shit

[storm jungle]

im kinda sick of people saying this shit in general

if you dont like it how about you fuck off

[arctic talon]

They’re clearly meant to look like space elves

[storm jungle]

lmao

[tough haven]

Anyone think shotguns don’t get enough love in 40K? I feel like they’d be pretty effective often tuned

[arctic talon]

They’re pretty bleh against a lot of targets and the way the guard fights

[sacred bluff]

yea

tell em

[arctic talon]

They find uses in more tactical or cqb situations

[sacred bluff]

YOU FUCK OFF

[late osprey]

you're the one that latched on to what i said, i just said they shouldn't be so humanized as they are

[arctic talon]

You see shotguns in specialist units

[storm jungle]

Im not latching onto anything

[arctic talon]

But not on line guardsmen

[storm jungle]

Im literally outright saying what you said

"I hate a faction because they are what is said on the poster"

like, what

[tough haven]

Well I don’t mean just the guard

[crisp heath]

I like shotguns for Like breaching units

[arctic talon]

Shotguns also get used by marines and the navy

[storm jungle]

So should I just hate imperial guard because they are just a military?

[arctic talon]

Marines like it for soft targets

[storm jungle]

lol

[late osprey]

except not really because, actually, it's all Ol Gav's fault innit

[arctic talon]

Orks don’t like shotguns

Because no Dakka Dakka Dakka

[storm jungle]

I mean yes? What do you want us to say lol

[arctic talon]

Too slow

[crisp heath]

Astartes Scouts use them pretty effectively

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

I dont really understand why you hate a faction because of bad writers

[arctic talon]

And they’re specialists to an extent

[tough haven]

Full auto rotary shotgun

[arctic talon]

That’s prolly a volley gun

Tau use shotguns for specialists

[storm jungle]

I dont like how Dark Angels are written but I dont shit on them for it lol

see "fallenfallenfallen"

[arctic talon]

Breacher have pulse shotguns

[tough haven]

I wanna see the orkish fucked up shofgun

[crisp heath]

Is that like a energy shotgun

[arctic talon]

Skitarii also get shotguns in some situations. Usually for counter boarding

[tough haven]

Yup

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[bright yew]

I thought that the melta was the shotgun when I was relatively new in 40k

[late osprey]

is it Gav Thorpe's fault that they're Space Elves and that i'm just engaging with the lore wrong, or is Gav Thorpe actually writing them just as they ought to be and he's perfectly fine as a writer?

[crisp heath]

Ohohoho that's so cool

[tough haven]

No one reall knows what it is

[vagrant fox]

Thinking about that one troper in Fall of Cadia who gets issued a shotgun with cardboard shells
What a way to live

[arctic talon]

No

[sly ivy]

Reporting u 2 u 4 starting arguments

[arctic talon]

Melta is pretty clearly defined

[spare osprey]

i do

[arctic talon]

Whoever says it isn’t defined

Is fucking stupid

And brain rotted from video games

[tough haven]

😦

[arctic talon]

It’s always depicted one way in lore

[tough haven]

My heart

[arctic talon]

Which is big fucking heat beam

[tough haven]

Yeah but media can’t seem to decide

[storm jungle]

Its Gav's fault that you hate them for all the "tragedyslop" when thats been kind of an issue with them as a fantasy race since time immemorial, maybe go talk to Tolkien about it

Your problem is more just really being weird about it.

[arctic talon]

That vaporizes shit

It’s not wide

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

I want to get into Eldar and drukhari lore but I don't know where to start

[storm jungle]

BEAM.

[late osprey]

counterpoint: dark eldar are sick as fuck and don't suffer from it

sorry you like CWE

[storm jungle]

Because they barely do anything.

so yes

aside from you know being generic villains that get gunned down in most stories they appear in because they are pretty easy Bad Guy fodder

[bright yew]

A blowtorch

[spare osprey]

ngl i don't hate any faction, but some just seem boring to me

[storm jungle]

Not sure but that means but ok

[arctic talon]

Read path of the dark eldar for drukhari and drukhari codex, read the eldar codex and Valedor

[spare osprey]

it's the fans of them that can fuck off

[storm jungle]

Pretty much my stance yeah.

[spare osprey]

i hate warhammer fans

[storm jungle]

Id defend anyone talking about another faction like this lol

[hallow saddle]

ya hating on factions for their fans is legit

which is why i hate elves~

[vagrant fox]

Dark Eldar come across as very one schtick often to me but there's no real reason to hate them

[storm jungle]

Yeah there really isnt

they are just space dark elves with some cool schticks

they also make funny comedic bad guys

thats it really lol

[arctic talon]

Drukhari get more unique with that

For haemonculi

Imo

[late osprey]

drukhari are more like an actual alien species

[vagrant fox]

oogity boogity torture villains and that's sorta it, it can happen to a lot of factions

[crisp heath]

I like the whole pirate raider look the deldar go with

[arctic talon]

They have the whole abominations of nature thing going on

[storm jungle]

Not really

[arctic talon]

They really aren’t

[storm jungle]

they are just dark elf pirates

[bright yew]

I always believed that the melta has 2 firing modes

One is the heatwave from space marine
And the other one is the “blowtorch” mode where it fires a concentrated beam and punches a hole through whatever is in its path

[spare osprey]

i gotta read more Dark eldar, see if there's something particular i like. enjoyed them in rogue trader

[arctic talon]

They’re about as alien as the normal eldar

[arctic talon]

It’s exclusively depicted as the forward beam

[storm jungle]

Just like craftworld eldar they are just elves in space with a cool aesthetic done right.

[arctic talon]

Read path of the dark eldar

[vagrant fox]

They're really just evil elves if you want to get real basic about it

[spare osprey]

rn i just sorta see corsairs as the best of all worlds

[arctic talon]

It’s extremely good

Path of the dark eldar

[hallow saddle]

corsairs are sick

[spare osprey]

will put it in the library

[arctic talon]

Perfectly depicts them

[storm jungle]

Path of the Dark Eldar is super good, old but old

[arctic talon]

It’s got modern mandrakes

Therfore

It’s new enough LOL

[bright yew]

The “shotgun” blast is exclusive of space marine?

[late osprey]

yeah really, aside from their appearance they are more like the sorts of aliens you see in 40k (zoats, sslyth, kroot, etc)

[arctic talon]

It is only in the space marine video game and boltgun

[spare osprey]

also literally just found out about wraithseers, so eldar kinda pulled me in a bit

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

🤝

[arctic talon]

Drukhari are a bunch of petty motherfuckers lol

Which is why I like them so much

They’re very like horrible humans irl

Except they actually feed on suffering

Lol

[storm jungle]

LOL

yeah was gonna say

[vagrant fox]

Saim Hann reigns eternal as the coolest craftworld

[storm jungle]

Red is best.

[arctic talon]

My goats

[crisp heath]

I didn't know craft world and Eldar were different

[storm jungle]

Also jetbikes go swoosh

[arctic talon]

Drink blood

[arctic talon]

They’re super diverse like space marine chapters

Saim Hann literally drink blood

Lol

[spare osprey]

will say, idk if i can get into mainstream votann

[bright yew]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[storm jungle]

votann are very on and off for a lot of people

[spare osprey]

like that might be the one faction i'm not interested in

[storm jungle]

folks also like

REALLY like Ironheads

[arctic talon]

They’re also very aggressive and tribalistic by eldar standards

[storm jungle]

compared to actual votann

lmao

[arctic talon]

They’re seen as “savages”

Lol

[crisp heath]

Well shit I really need to look into it

[storm jungle]

the best part is like

they barely do anything savage

which is funny

[arctic talon]

It’s just the drinking blood and tribe things really

Lol

[spare osprey]

the ironheads are great

[arctic talon]

Beyond that it’s like a pretty normal craftworld

[spare osprey]

love their minis

[arctic talon]

Oh also they like killing things

But like

That’s not that weird

[bright yew]

Throwing someone to a volcano to summon more rain?

[arctic talon]

More specifically they really like killing Orks, and Necrons

[bright yew]

Rip the heart of someone to make the crops grow?

[crisp heath]

There all the ancient races aren't they?

[spare osprey]

also question before i buy a mini, i can give undivided chaos marines a plague sword right? like lore wise

[crisp heath]

Eldar , ork necron

[arctic talon]

They do tear the hearts out of people

[arctic talon]

Eldar, orks and crons are all old as shit yeah

Crons and eldar are older then orks

Orks were created during the war in heaven

Eldar got forcibly evolved further somehow

It’s not exactly clear what the old ones did

[vagrant fox]

Sometimes you don't gotta spend 1200 years learning pottery and can cut a little loose by going fast and wearing coolass red

[arctic talon]

Drive by decapitation

[late osprey]

but eldar civilization as a whole isnt older than the war i thought

[storm jungle]

they literally got invented by the old ones

[spare osprey]

the old ones didn't create the khrave did they? they were already there right

[storm jungle]

lol

[late osprey]

yes thats my point

[storm jungle]

Nah

[late osprey]

theyre of the same generation as orks in that way

as far as i read it

[arctic talon]

They existed before hand

But they were like

[storm jungle]

the khrave were just always around

[arctic talon]

Literal cavemen

[storm jungle]

only took like 30 years to get an artwork

[arctic talon]

So not really a society

[spare osprey]

wonder what they were doin during the war

[arctic talon]

Eldar?

Same as the Krorks presumably

[spare osprey]

khrave

[crisp heath]

Undivided can weild tools of the gods , they serve all 4 gods as one entity if that kinda makes sense , undivided is my favorite

[arctic talon]

Oh

[spare osprey]

i imagine they'd feast like hell off the eldar tho

[arctic talon]

Tbh also can serve other random chaos entities in the warp

[late osprey]

apparently it was a big deal that the old ones' plan of "slowly evolving and growing slave-race armies" was, in fact, too slow to pay off in an actual war

[spare osprey]

ok awesome

[late osprey]

i found that line like last month i forgot where though

[storm jungle]

they werent really slave armies

[late osprey]

im being hyperbolic, but the main idea of them trying to grow races to fight back was apparently problematic

[spare osprey]

making my white scar chaos lord and i've got a left over plague sword, thinkin of giving it to him

[storm jungle]

they were just made to fight the war but grew independant, theres not realy any mention of them being subservient

[late osprey]

in terms of how long that actually takes

[median star]

is it possible for a demon/champion of chaos undivided to eventually fall into the influence/control of a specific god

[storm jungle]

the only problematic one was just the orks

[storm jungle]

yes

[blazing wraith]

I learned today that there is no lore that says the sororitas are celibate.

[late osprey]

yeah thats never been explicit lore

[storm jungle]

There is.

its in Cain though lol

which isnt really the most trusted source

[median star]

if abadon ever did which do you think hed fall too

[spare osprey]

maybe they just don't wanna sleep with cain ngl

[storm jungle]

hes basically Him so no

hes also aware chaining yourself to one chaos god is stupid

[late osprey]

well i thought that specific source was specifically something a la "CONTRARY to popular belief..." sort of thing

[crisp heath]

Abadons a bit different

[arctic talon]

Cain contradicts himself

Lol

[storm jungle]

the author of Cain himself said the books really shouldnt be looked at for lore accuracy on social media awhile ago

[blazing wraith]

She just wanted him to leave her alone 😭 💀

[crisp heath]

He more serves the forces of chaos

[arctic talon]

Cain is an unreliable narrator

[sacred bluff]

Cain is completely reliable

Thanks to Amberly

[arctic talon]

Lol

[late osprey]

i dont think it has anything to do with that specific instance, but isnt there an inquisitor that writes in the footnotes?

[dapper gyro]

Cain is not even the narrator.

[late osprey]

presumably those at least would be more accurate

[arctic talon]

Amberly doesn’t comment on it

[crisp heath]

Abbadon wanted unity between the 4 gods

[late osprey]

yeah i know she doesnt

[arctic talon]

Cains direct memoirs are unreliable

Is that better

[dapper gyro]

Because it is said that the book was wrote by someone else in universe.

[late osprey]

im just asking if amberly's footnotes are reliable

[arctic talon]

They’re reliable

[opaque coyote]

There is technically no lore saying they AREN'T celibate

But there is no lore saying they are either.

Honestly, I like to think that it just depends on the individual

[sacred bluff]

Jergen most reliable

[vagrant fox]

I imagine she makes them as reliable as she can

[arctic talon]

She’s an inqusitor writing it for other inqusitors

[late osprey]

since she does Factcheck him sometimes

[storm jungle]

Sororitas literally got no time to fuck anyone

[arctic talon]

So she’s as accurate as you can really get in universe

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/drg-deep-rock-galactic-gangnam-style-dancing-rock-and-stone-gif-24146010

[arctic talon]

Too busy with violence

Lol

[sacred bluff]

BUT THEY STILL DO SOMETIMES

[crisp heath]

He's more about power and strength if you ask me he's pretty much Mini me horus

[storm jungle]

no

[sacred bluff]

That one sister in the cain book

[bright yew]

And with another sister?

[median star]

so is it possible for it to work the other way around and say a dedicated nurgle champion eventually becomes undivided

[opaque coyote]

I doubt many of them want to sleep around anyways.

[dapper gyro]

Depending on what order they are from...

[arctic talon]

Unlikely but it’s possible in theory

Or you just die

[crisp heath]

Yeah nurgle and all the other gods where involved in undivided

[late osprey]

space marine schedules have no time for anything, assuming sororitas have schedules even SOMEWHAT resembling space marines', there's no time for anything

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

If only because like

Most people they would meet are probably in battle

[late osprey]

between all the bolter drills, praying, and disassembling and re-assembling your bolter

[storm jungle]

no

[opaque coyote]

And these people would have a high chance of like

Death

[storm jungle]

Probably harder than it sounds

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

So not the best choice because like

[vagrant fox]

It'd be a rare one off thing for sororitas, there's far more important things to do

killing, praying, killing

[late osprey]

i like how the codex schedule has exactly 15 minutes of free-time, but even this is said to be deeply controversial

[arctic talon]

The sisters of battle are not normal

They’re like

An actual bunch of psycopaths

[sacred bluff]

I literally dated a sister of silence

[arctic talon]

I think people forget this often out of universe

[crisp heath]

But they offer there allegiance to undivided but still represent there God if that makes any sense

[bright yew]

Nuns with guns

[late osprey]

15 minutes is too much free time

[dapper gyro]

Hospitaller has more time to hang around normal people.

[opaque coyote]

Y'know. Spending your time crying about losing your lover is spending time not murdering heretics

So get back to ti

Stop crying

Waaahh

[arctic talon]

Yeah, but she’s going to be busy shoving organs back into people often

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

But yeah she is around normal people

[late osprey]

well also what are you gonna do in 15 minutes actually

[arctic talon]

She’s just giving medical care

[late osprey]

if meals are anything like monastic meals, they're supposed to be done in complete silence too

[arctic talon]

Meditate

[late osprey]

so there's actually just 0 time for anything

[arctic talon]

[late osprey]

exactly

[opaque coyote]

Hospitallers are probably more empathetic than normal sisters since you're actively saving people

[arctic talon]

I mean

It depends

[opaque coyote]

Well saving them to go back to work

[arctic talon]

Some are a bunch of fucking psychos lol

[vagrant fox]

They're still indoctrinated orphans raised in a hyper religious enviroment that brainwashes them

[arctic talon]

There’s one in I forget what book

[crisp heath]

Most of them lmao

[late osprey]

like, monastic lifestyles are HIGHLY structured

[arctic talon]

Who literally is a hospitaler because she loves the color of blood and cutting people open

[late osprey]

and in 40k where everything is presumably extreme, your entire day is defined for you for the next like

30 years

[arctic talon]

Which you would think is a bad thing

[late osprey]

assuming you dont go to war

[arctic talon]

But she works fast

[plush mason]

Argenta is part of a hospitaller order, although one that is focused on relics

[arctic talon]

Argenta isn’t hospitaller

[dapper gyro]

Generally, you have more chance with a hospitaller.

[arctic talon]

She’s protean

Or whatever

[late osprey]

i forgot what order shes in, its not military

[arctic talon]

I forgot the specific name

[late osprey]

its some minor crap

[arctic talon]

Proteus?

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

True but generally MOST doctors do it for helping people.

And there is the vital part that dissuades psychopaths. That being... Actual money.

So either they will be actually "chill" for a sister or completely batshit

[arctic talon]

There’s no money in it for the SoB

Just the love of the game

[plush mason]

iirc she calls it a hospitaller order

[arctic talon]

That feels

Wrong

[vagrant fox]

Orders Pronatus innit

[median star]

do sisters of battle/ silence live average human life spans or are they able to get the age reversal tech and medicine

[dapper gyro]

You might have more chance with female Tempestus Scion overall.

[opaque coyote]

Pretty much and you're choosing

"Trying to keep a fellow human being alive" over "MURDER KILL"

[late osprey]

if we're looking at monasticism as anything remotely applicable, only those expressly trusted to be completely professional and zealous are even allowed to interact with outsiders

so in that way, probably not

[opaque coyote]

So by that logic

Most will either be in it for saving people

Or in it because blood is pretty

[crisp heath]

I think soritas would be pretty quick to kill you

[dapper gyro]

Depending on their position.

[vagrant fox]

Or it's a duty that needs to be done

[late osprey]

like if you're an ordinary sister it could well be that you're just not allowed to talk to outsiders whatsoever

[opaque coyote]

But either way, even the psychopaths have to save you

[late osprey]

keyword "could well be", its not defined and orders are diverse

keyphrase, if you will

[plush mason]

afaik such treatments are available for anyone with enough influence/wealth for it

[opaque coyote]

Nah you usually are allowed to talk to others if you're a sister.

It's just that the Imperium is insane and they worship that insanity because it's their literal God

[arctic talon]

They die before they need it often

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

But for the ones who live long enough they’ll get it

[storm jungle]

they arent special, they are warrior monks

only leaders tend to get those treatments

[late osprey]

my point is that the monastic model is one of cloistered lifestyles

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of warrior monks in 40k

[vagrant fox]

I can think of just a few sisters that I've read about that're old, most die far younger

[arctic talon]

Now that I think about it

[opaque coyote]

At least they're allowed to

Have hair

That's a definite plus

[late osprey]

canonnesses probably have the option offered to them

[storm jungle]

also this yeah, martyrdom is encouraged

[plush mason]

warrior nuns* :P

[arctic talon]

Yeah I’d assume the higher ranks get it

[dapper gyro]

They are literally based upon the knightly orders in real life.

[late osprey]

after all, they're the warriors of the single wealthiest body in the galaxy

[opaque coyote]

Unless if you're a Repenta then your hair gone

... there's something in 40k about being bald and being evil

Hmmm

[vagrant fox]

Sobs should have tonsures 100%

[opaque coyote]

[median star]

whats the extent to how far they can keep a baseline human alive

[crisp heath]

The real life knightly orders are responsible for so much death lmao

[arctic talon]

Iirc they start having trouble around 700 years

For rejuve

[crisp heath]

Literally they killed half of europe

[opaque coyote]

I think around 700ish years?

And then it starts just not working

[arctic talon]

It stops working pretty soon after that

[dapper gyro]

WH40K is kind of that as well.

[opaque coyote]

But it depends

[arctic talon]

Cybernetics can help

But tech priests usually only live to a max of 1000 years

Before going insane unless they start fucking with their memories heavily

[opaque coyote]

I mean if you're unlucky it can stop working when you're like 400 or something

[late osprey]

i feel like

[opaque coyote]

What type of insane since Tech Priests are already off their rocker

[late osprey]

the super-cybernetics require a level of engineering to even maintain or operate for yourself

[dapper gyro]

Even SM living over 1k years are rare.

[arctic talon]

Most marines die young yeah

Well

Young by marine standards

[plush mason]

yeah

[late osprey]

its not explicitly said but its the only thing to me that would explain why even normal magos can get crazy super-cybernetics but the Supreme Space Pope Ecclesiarch doesn't

[crisp heath]

It is a setting where war is all their is

[median star]

would most ppl be fine with votann cybernetics or is that skimming heresy

[dapper gyro]

Even if they don't fight, their age are generally 400-500 year olds.

[arctic talon]

Tbh it makes sense

[late osprey]

like you need to be educated to even USE those bionics

[arctic talon]

Heretek

[dapper gyro]

Unless stasis sleep

[crisp heath]

For some reason they consider votan xeno don't they

[arctic talon]

Votann consider themselves xeno

It’s an in universe debate

For the imperium

[crisp heath]

Oh I didn't know that

[arctic talon]

They’re very alien culturally

[plush mason]

150 is young for a SM, source DOW2's player protag was 150 and the youngest force commander in the blood ravens

or was he 250

[arctic talon]

The leagues don’t see themselves as human

[arctic talon]

Yeah he’s 150

[late osprey]

well keep in mind that "young for leadership" is not exactly the same thing as "young"

[arctic talon]

Force commander hair gel

[crisp heath]

I like how there technology uses runes and is said to mb use machine spirits too

[median star]

i think some just see them as abhumans which id guess is what they are technically maybe

[late osprey]

consider IRL we consider 35 to be super young for POTUS

[arctic talon]

They’re abhumans

Culturally xenos

They also see themselves as divorced from humanity

[median star]

wonder how they get along with ratlings both being short and all

[arctic talon]

Tldr use LoV stuff at your own risk

[crisp heath]

Would the stiff the imperium think is machine spirit for like the tau just be ai

[arctic talon]

Not Kin

Hate them

[arctic talon]

Depends

Machine spirits are a combination of a lot of things

[late osprey]

iirc the mechanicus believe that all to be abominable intelligence

[opaque coyote]

Apparently Sigismund started feeling himself become slower when he was around 1000 and Dante... uh doesn't feel good to be precise

[crisp heath]

Cause I know tau does use ai alot

[arctic talon]

But yeah tau stuff is seen as abominable intelligence

[median star]

be funny to have a fat ratling try and pass himself on as a votann to try and get in with them

[arctic talon]

Since it’s sentient AI

[late osprey]

i personally like to believe its a sort of "OUR noble and wise Machine Spirits vs THEIR abominable intelligence" situation

[storm jungle]

They'd know tbh

[arctic talon]

It is that to an extent

[late osprey]

although there are some counterexamples to that in lore

[storm jungle]

ratlings are based on hobbits

[arctic talon]

But the machine spirit is like

Also spiritual

[storm jungle]

who are shorter than even dwarves

[arctic talon]

It’s a bunch of shit

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

AI fragments, soul imprints, stc functions for stuff

Ect.

[crisp heath]

Really? I didn't know they were based on Hobbits that's awesome

[opaque coyote]

To an extent, but Machine Spirits aren't just AI.

They may or may not actually exist

[storm jungle]

Hairy foot, can cook well, steals a lot, etc

[opaque coyote]

Warp makes things complicated

[late osprey]

yeah exactly

[arctic talon]

Like a tracking missile is obviously not a machine spirit, it was designed for that shit

[plush mason]

the giant hairy feet not give it away?

[arctic talon]

But a tech priests still gona pray to a machine spirit

[late osprey]

theres cases also of machine spirits manifesting where it shouldnt if it was just AI

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The soul imprint stuff

[median star]

basically every race in 40k is based on fantasy races besides like necrons and tyranids

[arctic talon]

We know at least some machine spirits are that

[opaque coyote]

Basically

If a weapon has been used a lot, it probably has its own weird conscious now

[arctic talon]

Since we know the BT fought horrifying warp creatures that were “sucking” the holy machine spirit from their weapons

[late osprey]

do you think the machine spirits Arkhan Land's Raiders are AI?

[arctic talon]

Imo yes

[late osprey]

cuz thats like DAOT technology iirc

[arctic talon]

It’s clearly an AI

[late osprey]

so itd be a holdover

[crisp heath]

Cracks me up how big e just fully took mars and was like yep run w it bitches

[arctic talon]

Or some rudementry near sentient AI

[crisp heath]

But then to every one else

[arctic talon]

It’s likely not fully sentient like tau AI

[crisp heath]

No it's doesn't exist

[arctic talon]

But it can clearly bond with users and fight autonomously

[arctic talon]

Well he didn’t say that

[plush mason]

well some might be

[arctic talon]

He only said that to the imperial household lol

[median star]

would the votann have any ideological problems with employing necron tech if they got ahold of it

[dapper gyro]

Some machine spirit are a collection of souls from many users that got their conscient sucked into the machine.

[crisp heath]

Nah but he like used their faith to his benefit you know

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about the land raiders “machine spirit”

[storm jungle]

Yes.

And also necron tech is like

[arctic talon]

A ton

[storm jungle]

near inoperable by non-necrons

[arctic talon]

Necron tech is also wildly impractical

It’s heavy for MARINES

Lol

[vagrant fox]

Post the comic where the bolt pistol of the dead Black Templar is monologueing

[opaque coyote]

It also might as well be fucking magic

[arctic talon]

it’s a wonder how Callidus assassin phase blades aren’t heavy as shit

[crisp heath]

Iv read this

[arctic talon]

Or maybe they are

[late osprey]

they do have those necron swords, but those are something wacky

[arctic talon]

Lol

[plush mason]

yeah and im talking about that one land raider that went on an ork killing spree after it's crew was killed

[late osprey]

in deathwatch

[arctic talon]

They’re not the standard design

They got a replaced hilt

So…. I’d assume something about the hilt on the original

Is super heavy

[crisp heath]

There's a ship thar goes missing during the hh and it comes back out the warp w a angry machine spirit

[late osprey]

yeah they didnt just take a necron sword off some guy

[crisp heath]

Like it hates traitors

[opaque coyote]

The only reason why Necron blades can be used is because the Necrons couldn't lock a sword from being used

[late osprey]

considering DW gets crazy bling, its probably the hilt is some crazy miracle-tech that makes it lighter, but the blade itself is still heavy

[arctic talon]

But yeah marines trying to use necron tech complain about the weight, the average human prolly couldn’t pick up a gauss rife

Well complain is a strong word

But saying “this is heavy” counts as complaining by marine standards

/hj

[median star]

do you think during the dark age of technology it was possible humans thought they were being attacked by men of iron when it was actually just early woken up necrons in a few cases

[opaque coyote]

If a Marine, the guys who use a Bolter on the daily says

"Man this is a bit heavy"

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Then you can guarantee that no human being can probably carry it

[arctic talon]

Medusa explicitly fell in several areas due to necron constructs

[late osprey]

what the fuck are the necrons' problem, anyway?

all that tech and they couldn't invent chemotherapy?

are they idiots?

[crisp heath]

Man the men of iron nearly finished the imperium didn't they

[median star]

were meat theyre not

[plush mason]

so in other words that axe like blade on the bottom isnt just for show

[arctic talon]

Not the imperium

But yeah

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

It wasn't just regular cancer

[arctic talon]

Yeah no that thing is dangerous

[opaque coyote]

It was like

Actual soul cancer

[crisp heath]

"Ew get off my property "

[arctic talon]

Yeah it was something with their souls

Causing those issues

[late osprey]

soul cancer sounds metal as fuck

[crisp heath]

Ah

[late osprey]

makes you wonder why the old ones didnt cure them

[arctic talon]

Tbh with how evil they were

[storm jungle]

because they were an empire of evil assholes

lol

[arctic talon]

I don’t blame the old ones

Yeah

[hallow saddle]

sounds kinda like what fabius bile has

like genetic soul cancer

[opaque coyote]

Because the peasants literally lived in straw huts

While they had non-warp FTL

[arctic talon]

The average necrontyr was living a worse life then an imperial menial arguably in comparison

[storm jungle]

this is like giving America unlimited money

[arctic talon]

Remember Necrons had all their fancy tech

[storm jungle]

what do you think will happen

[late osprey]

what were they doing at that time?

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Murdering other races, building their empire

Enslaving their own people

[crisp heath]

Us this before they sold there body's?

[arctic talon]

Oh also they had super advanced hover tech

[opaque coyote]

Basically they were the OG in being bitches. The Imperium copied their style smh

[storm jungle]

FYI the necrons had all this technology and their helpless citizens still lived in mud huts 💀

[crisp heath]

/made the deal w the catan

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[arctic talon]

And their pesants were near exclusively using wooden carts

Lol

[plush mason]

so they where the imperium millions of years before it ever existed

[crisp heath]

Ahhh got ya

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[arctic talon]

Arguably even worse in terms of differences lol

But yes

[late osprey]

is this in the codices?

[dapper gyro]

So, after these long convo, what do you guys feel about the absence of Eternal?

[late osprey]

this sounds kinda sick actually

[arctic talon]

It’s in twice dead king, mentioned in the 10e codex, and in the Zandrekh stuff

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Oberon was literally some random kid who got kidnapped

Because he was big and muscular

And scary lol

[opaque coyote]

Also fun fact.

You know how the Necron Soldiers are silent and basically unfeeling robots on the outside.

Apparently they're still in there.

[late osprey]

oh i knew that part

[opaque coyote]

Screaming for help with nobody to hear them.

[median star]

he added me and sent me an inv to some big 40k server earlier

[arctic talon]

But yeah Oberon had a bad time lol

[late osprey]

they crammed their citizens in shitty frames that can't even handle any mental functions

[hallow saddle]

same

[opaque coyote]

The worst part is that's mainly due to their bodies.

[storm jungle]

Yeah Siggy offered him sanctuary

best of luck on his journeys 😔

[hallow saddle]

but we're both in the iron hands server anyway

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's

S c h e w p I d .

[arctic talon]

I’d assume it’s the other 40k discord

Not the warhammer one

Both have a pride flag rn

[vagrant fox]

wow no invite for me smh

[storm jungle]

Uh one of them idk

[median star]

need

[opaque coyote]

Wait did he get banned or something

[arctic talon]

Both are commiting purged

Lul

[late osprey]

theres an iron hands server?

[arctic talon]

It’s open season

[storm jungle]

He started a dumb argument over the minecraft movie

[arctic talon]

For chuds

[storm jungle]

then kinda spiraled

into the usual dumb argument stuff

lol

[hallow saddle]

theres basically servers for every faction

[storm jungle]

^

[opaque coyote]

💀

[hallow saddle]

im in iron hands, emperors children, votann

[opaque coyote]

"I am Steve"

banned

[storm jungle]

Real.

[hallow saddle]

and the legendary chaos dwarfs online server

[arctic talon]

Darktide pride logo when

I need to collect all 4

[vagrant fox]

Why doesn't darktide discord pride

[dapper gyro]

What's the hecK?

[arctic talon]

Cmon you know why

Lol

[vagrant fox]

More work for the soymins I demand it

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

Considering half the fan base is gay I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet haha I don't mean thar in a bad way either I don't really care

[storm jungle]

Same reason warhammer doesnt do pride

[opaque coyote]

It would be fitting if Pride Month still existed in the Imperium

Everybody forgot the purpose of it, but it's just tradition to paint their logos rainbow on X month

[storm jungle]

because it will upset their nazi playerbase

LOL

[dapper gyro]

I'm support all of the stuff, but it doesn't need to be showing off all the time.

[median star]

if they brought in the pride flag their would be a chud uprising in general chat and dilara would have to work double shifts

[crisp heath]

LOL

[storm jungle]

Nah its great

[hallow saddle]

i reckon around 10-15% of the playerbase is gay

[storm jungle]

it gets people mad

[arctic talon]

It was transgender awareness day or whatever a few days ago

[dapper gyro]

I don't put Canadian flag on my car to show my Canadian support.

[vagrant fox]

Yeah I do but I like purges

[terse kestrel]

Are our characters inquisitors? or inquisitorial stormtroopers?

[storm jungle]

we're space marines

[opaque coyote]

50% are gay

35% are Nazi's

14% are femboy Nazi's

1% are actual females

[late osprey]

conscripted by the inquisition

[median star]

acolytes

[hallow saddle]

we're rejects

[ivory umbra]

Flint n steel

[storm jungle]

Also this

theres people that get upset that i got pronouns in my name

I just use it as bait at this point

lol

[arctic talon]

The 40k discord admins and mods consider pride month the funniest time of the year

[opaque coyote]

It reminds me that you're actually female since I assume everybody on the internet is male

[arctic talon]

They’ve jokingly called it “the purge”

[opaque coyote]

I'm gonna be honest with you

[arctic talon]

Where they can get rid of all the chuds lol

[crisp heath]

Laati is so right w that statement lmao

[ivory umbra]

Sometimes I peak in gen to find people how just joined trying to blatantly rage bait

[vagrant fox]

I'm bi and while I sincerely don't care about the whole lgbt thing but seeing chuds get removed is sincerely satisfying

[storm jungle]

so real

[storm jungle]

I legit have never had as much fun as I had during the first 2 years of darktide

[dapper gyro]

I so lost... why is the internet like this...

[storm jungle]

the AMOUNT of chuds that have space marine pfps

that ALWAYS turn out to be assholes

its actually staggering

[dapper gyro]

I'm online since 2003.

[opaque coyote]

Ah fuck for April Fools we should've all changed our pfps to Black Templars

[crisp heath]

Yeah I fully forget I'm talking to a female sometimes lmao

[storm jungle]

Real answer: Humans are tribalist creatures that hate change/people different than them.

[vagrant fox]

My brain is leaking after a full day of House MD

[opaque coyote]

Too late ig

[ivory umbra]

Average space marine fan (fat and dumb)

[arctic talon]

There was one person recently who went on a rant about the 40k discord being a safe space. And then was super racist and homophobic 💀

Anyways they died

[terse kestrel]

real manly men play guardsmen

[ivory umbra]

I love my darktide tribe

[opaque coyote]

Wait did Pride Month move

Or is it just permanent

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely forgor

[vagrant fox]

I'm big and strong and wise ok I go to the gym 😔

[arctic talon]

It was transgender awareness day like 3 days ago or something

Idfk

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[ivory umbra]

Ogga Chaka

[arctic talon]

I only remember pride month lol

The admech discord is always pride flag aside from April fools

It’s literally called gaymech official sometimes because I think one of the owners is gay

[opaque coyote]

Searched it up

Who decided to make it the day before April fools

[ivory umbra]

When do we start waring on other tribes @storm jungle

[opaque coyote]

[dapper gyro]

Im kind of tired of the pride month, nothing against it, it's the corpos using it as marketing and they don't give an actual fuck about it.

[opaque coyote]

I am just confused lmao

[arctic talon]

Well yeah corporations are going to be awful

Tbh

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-2-death-space-marine-2-gif-12976716491498684396

[opaque coyote]

Well with the new American administration, we probably won't see it this time

[crisp heath]

They'll do anything to appeal to the younger generation

[storm jungle]

Also like

if it isnt advertising pride month

[crisp heath]

Corpos have no soul

[storm jungle]

its advertising equally annoying shit

[ivory umbra]

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/swagger-billions-must-die-chud-wojak-soyjak-gif-9373396409961113206

[opaque coyote]

Gonna be looking like the Bethesda Middle East twitter acc

[dapper gyro]

Here I live, we don't have to show off like that, but we are nice to each other and have small promotion, that's it.

[arctic talon]

Yeah well American companies want to try to sell product

Lol

[bright yew]

Rip Varellus 😔

[ivory umbra]

Dude don’t post me face reveal

[median star]

anyway remember when sm2 was supposed to kill darktide

[crisp heath]

I hate advertising in general

[arctic talon]

No way you’re that mosque shooter who came back to life?????

Or was it a synagogue

[crisp heath]

Especially products and brands

[opaque coyote]

God Pride Month is gonna be so fucking bad this year

[arctic talon]

I don’t remember which one chudjak is based on

[dapper gyro]

Tesla used to be "Pride supporters"... Look at that fuck face Muskie now.

[opaque coyote]

Because there's gonna be even more of an increase of like

Chuds

[arctic talon]

Literally who trusts a corporation

Ever

[opaque coyote]

"HAHA YOU'RE GETTING YOUR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY"

[arctic talon]

I think anyone who has long term good feelings for it is like

Meh

[crisp heath]

Tbh I always thought Elon was strange

[bright yew]

They are 2 different games
How was space marine going to kill darktide?

[crisp heath]

Not really surprised

[arctic talon]

Like I find GW fine

[median star]

i trust fatshark with my life i actually buy my groceries with auqilas now

[opaque coyote]

I mean the man roleplayed as his 3 year old son

[dapper gyro]

I hate pride month because of that, not because of the targeted audience.

[arctic talon]

I don’t like them or anything in particular

[ivory umbra]

Oh that’s what’s it’s from? Jesus

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Also renamed himself Kekius Maximus for a bit

[arctic talon]

Chudjak is literally a wojak of a mass shooter lol

[opaque coyote]

He is now immortalized as a meme against the type of person he was.

His name will be forgotten

His life will too

[late osprey]

iterated before by EW, corporations are social chameleons

[opaque coyote]

But his face will always be made fun of

Permanently

[late osprey]

anyone who ever takes their displays seriously

well

i hope you learn better

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lol

[late osprey]

they exist PURELY to make money, anything they do is to that end

especially public companies

[opaque coyote]

At least Cyberpunk's corpos are blatantly honest about literally just selling product

[arctic talon]

Lol

Btw trauma team gold

[opaque coyote]

There is zero subtlety in their ads

[arctic talon]

Costs me less then my current health insurance

[opaque coyote]

Real

[arctic talon]

Accounting for deflation

[opaque coyote]

[late osprey]

well even our companies IRL are pretty blatant about this, just look at any of their tax forms

they just run the occasional ad campaign that catches the unsavvy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But it’s even more obvious in cyberpunk lol

[late osprey]

"rainbow logo??? they really do care!!!!"

[arctic talon]

Anyways yeah trauma team gold is cheaper

[late osprey]

spends $5000 on crap

[opaque coyote]

Nicola has permanently been ingrained into my mind and I hate it

"TASTE THE LOVE"

[arctic talon]

Like around 100$ cheaper if I get an ambulance ride + surgery

Lol

[vagrant fox]

Wack

[opaque coyote]

And they have like a 5 minute guarantee to get to you I think

[crisp heath]

And our corporations actually do a whole lot of shady shit

[vagrant fox]

I've paid 10x more for face moisturizer than I have for medicine

[crisp heath]

Anything to cut costs

[arctic talon]

Trauma team is literally better then my actual healthcare

This is a hilarious timeline

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah 100%.

A lot of our shit are outright made by slaves

[arctic talon]

In a bad way

[arctic talon]

Only for platinum

[opaque coyote]

We are living in the most boring dystopia like

Ever

[arctic talon]

Lol

Anyways yeah why is the evil fictional healthcare company better then my irl one

This isn’t even cyberpunk 2020

[median star]

me when the dystopian future evil healthcare is more sane then current healthcare

[vagrant fox]

Feels like we're at the beginnings of an extremely boring cyberpunk dystopian at times

[arctic talon]

It’s using REDs pricing

Lol

[late osprey]

public corporations are basically animals, very predictable in that way

its the private corporations you gotta watch out for

[opaque coyote]

"Oh a client is down."

"But we're on route for a silv-"

"They're platinum."

"ACTIVATE THE BOOSTERS, WE NEED TO BREAK THE SOUND BARRER."

[arctic talon]

I would say more sane

[late osprey]

who knows what their coke-fueled founders are up to

[arctic talon]

Silver is before you flatline lol

Silver is actually affordable

By irl standards

[opaque coyote]

Is it like a fucking pizza 30 minute type of thing except much more morbid.

If you die before trauma team gets to you for some reason, do they have to pay your family

[arctic talon]

Silver is 500 E$

Per month

[opaque coyote]

...that is actually low-key affordable what the fuck

[arctic talon]

You can pay extra for surgery on the way to the hospital

Stabilization is free

[opaque coyote]

God dammit America.

GOD DAMMIT AMERICA

[arctic talon]

Gold it’s just free surgery

Lol

You don’t need to pay for it

[opaque coyote]

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT.

[arctic talon]

You do need to pay for personal injuries from gunfire

And ammo expenditure

But uh

Not an issue irl

[late osprey]

you know why dont they have Darktide Subscription?

[arctic talon]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Has any Trauma Team mfs tried to do shit like

shoots self in the knee

"pay me"

[arctic talon]

You have a body cam

That’s always on

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[arctic talon]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

...

[opaque coyote]

And they can't turn it off

[arctic talon]

NCPD also has it

[arctic talon]

Yes

[late osprey]

well insurance fraud is presumably still a thing in cyberpunk

[arctic talon]

It’s the standardized body cam

[opaque coyote]

...NCPD also?

[arctic talon]

Yeah it is

[opaque coyote]

Or can they turn it off

[arctic talon]

Just don’t try to chest trauma team

[arctic talon]

You cannot, if you want to turn it off break it

Lol

It’s coming out of your paycheck

[opaque coyote]

...God dammit America

[arctic talon]

Now granted

A lot of trauma team and ncpd members

Sell the footage

[opaque coyote]

Ah there it is

[arctic talon]

For braindances

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Still somewhat better

I mean it's already going into LiveLeak anyway-

Jesus Christ this is the most boring dystopia ever

[late osprey]

fiction's always going to be cooler than reality

otherwise creatives would be out of a job

[arctic talon]

But the body cams aren’t always for like security reasons lol

They’re often for quick orders

Or to see if someone fucking died

[vagrant fox]

Creative types ruined reality

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know it's probably mostly for the employer

Not the employee

/affected

[late osprey]

before the internet we just stared at the wall watching the paint dry, and we liked it that way!

[opaque coyote]

Still though. Police should just outright not be allowed to turn their body cams off

Especially during arrests

[sly ivy]

I resent this

I also hate people who are the same as me

[vagrant fox]

My dad got drunk and stole cows and started a family at 18, normal pre internet behaviour

[opaque coyote]

Creative types in 30000 BC:

[arctic talon]

But yeah the NCPD are more competent then irl police imo

They’re also like

Super corrupt

[opaque coyote]

And they just kept cooking

[arctic talon]

But they’re better at you know

Actually stopping violent crime

Just

With more violence

[opaque coyote]

School shooting at NC Public School.

The NCPD just stand around

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cyber-punk-cyberpunk2077-maxtac-ncpd-whoareyou-gif-5362858039534319022

[opaque coyote]

[sly ivy]

Based and pastoralist-adjacent hunter-gatherer pilled

[opaque coyote]

I swear isn't Maxtac separate from NCPD

Or did they merge?

[arctic talon]

They’re NCPD’s swat team

Lol

Well

They’re the swat team for when the swat team can’t do their job

[opaque coyote]

Oh. I thought they were a separate corpo that just worked with the NCPD

Since the NCPD is also a corpo

[arctic talon]

NCPD is a corporation

[opaque coyote]

Well a recent Corpo

[arctic talon]

They’re pretty much a private army

[plush mason]

is there anything in night city that isnt run by a corpo?

[opaque coyote]

Apparently they lasted as a public service until the 2060s

[median star]

maxtac i thoughts is specifically for cyberpyschos

[opaque coyote]

I mean yeah basically

[late osprey]

night city itself was essentially a billionaire's pet project

[opaque coyote]

Again SWAT teams are pretty much only used for mass scale riots or terrorists

[arctic talon]

If the NCPD swat team can’t kill someone its 99% sure to be a cyberpsycho lol

[late osprey]

its founder? John Night.

[arctic talon]

The NCPD swat team is equivalent to a Corpo kill squad lol

[late osprey]

partners with the esteemed Arkhan Land

[arctic talon]

I hate how you aren’t joking

[crisp heath]

You know society has problems when we're having things like school shootings happening

[opaque coyote]

The worst part is that isn't a joke

[opaque coyote]

I hate how casual it's become