40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Vulkan He’stan model, Lysandor Terminator model, unknown Raven Guard, Terminator Iron Hand Character, Jetbike Scars character

And sprues and what not

[vagrant fox]

It's been more than a dozen years since I touched a mini so a jetbike or five might be it

[dapper gyro]

SM has that kart from the 9e, it gets obsoleted so quick.

[pale tendon]

Damn, so Morrow's team under his leadership took out a World Eater?

Morrow really is that tough

[dusk patrol]

They’re Steel Legion

[pale tendon]

True, but damn

[dusk patrol]

Guardsmen squads, specially veteran ones do it a fair amount

[pale tendon]

Further solidifies him as my favorite of the Darktide inquisition crew

[dusk patrol]

Odds are definitely not in their favor but

He’s a badass for sure

[late osprey]

should be calling it Ceramite Alloy Legion tbh

[dusk patrol]

lol

[rose thorn]

The official EC kitbash guide dropped

[dusk patrol]

Nah it would be like, fuck idk

What’s flak made of

[pale tendon]

I know it's not super rare for Guard veterans to fight traitor astartes and win, but it definitely makes Morrow seem even more badass to me

[late osprey]

armageddon plasteel legion

[dapper gyro]

Flak is mostly plasteel...

[dusk patrol]

It’s not super rare it’s just costly

[rose thorn]

https://youtu.be/r9ctO_1Sgkw?si=_v4KaRmrmyPFVF7Q

“The terminators aren’t Slaanesh enough”

[dusk patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/18n5qfu/fall_of_cadia_a_chaos_lord_and_daemon_prince/

This is a good excerpt on it

Gives an idea of how unlikely it is

[late osprey]

i get the impression that ideally those odds aren't terrible as long as the marines win because apothecaries can recover those who go down, but chaos specifically is apparently running out of apothecaries as well

[pine wedge]

The power gap between meatgrinder guardsmen and veterans is enormous.

[late osprey]

so the implants that WOULD allow an astartes to recover from a plasma shot aren't being used to their fullest potential

[dusk patrol]

Cadia was explicitly as he said, a meat grinder like he has never seen

For both sides, it was just madness

[pine wedge]

Anyone who can survive multiple years of guard duty is a fucking beast. Like how primarchs are different from space marines through physical and spiritual power. They have Aura that separates them. Veteran guardsmen are like that to regular soldiers.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

As he says, you can easily have 1 marine trade for 100 guardsmen if you’re doing it right

Which is why he was appalled by losing 1 marine for every 30

[late osprey]

well in that excerpt it's implied one of the main things isn't them being mystically OP, but more just they're utterly fearless to the point of throwing their lives away optimally

[dusk patrol]

It’s a lot of thins

It’s Karskin for one

So they’re all equip with hellguns and carapace minimum

[late osprey]

not every dude with a plasma pistol is taking down a chaos marine, but one who doesnt care about dying has a much better chance of doing it

[dusk patrol]

They’re on their home turf too

On the Fortress world

They’re all fearless but they’re also all practiced

He’s fighting an entire army of Scions

Who have explicitly trained to defend these specific stops since childhood

And to fight chaos marines specifically

[late osprey]

yeah that too

[dusk patrol]

It’s as favorable as a scenario can get for the guard in terms of their forces and location

[pine wedge]

I'm being facetious a bit, the books don't actually say that veterans have Primarch Aura, but it is just kind of like that. The shit the Gaunt's Ghosts main characters pull off is utterly superhuman.

To name an example.

The plot will empower them as needed, with no explanation given other than They're Just Built Different.

[dusk patrol]

Worse

[green loom]

They're characters and need to live for the story to be interesting

[dusk patrol]

They’re Abnetts boys

Although Tbf he does kill a lot of them

[green loom]

Don't read this as me saying it's bad

[late osprey]

i mean yeah, but thats a 40kism in general, less to do with them being veterans and more to do with the fact that people are just occasionally nuts

[green loom]

That's what being primarch esque means

[dusk patrol]

Tbf it’s just

A literary thing

[green loom]

And we need it for our epic blorbos

[dusk patrol]

Authors don’t want to kill off their characters all in the first fight

[green loom]

Ye

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t make for a great story generally

[late osprey]

my point is its all across the setting, not just in books

comes with the territory

[dusk patrol]

Harker is a just a well above average Ogryn, change my mind

[late osprey]

in 40k people are cracked, by and large

or rather they can be

[green loom]

I mean we call this a 40kism but the extraordinary folks tend to be the interesting ones

In any setting

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s just a literary trope

For anything

[late osprey]

"When he was a new recruit -so the story goes- Harker's platoon was sent to eradicate a roving greenskin warband in the tangle-barrens of Orriah Ossetti. Only a handful of Orks had been spotted on the death world, so reconnaissance and aerial support were deemed an unnecessary expenditure. What Harker's platoon encountered was not a rag-tag band of savages, but a hardened cadre of Blood Axe warriors. The ambush launched by the Orks was as brutal as it was unexpected, and soon Harker was the only Guardsman remaining. His lasgun's energy cells were fried from overuse, so he reached into the searing flames where a Heavy Weapons Team had been immolated and retrieved his fallen comrades' heavy bolter. The towering Catachan then trained the massive gun on the remaining greenskins and unleashed vengeful retribution. Since that day, Payback has been massacring Harker's enemies throughout the galaxy."

we love harker's day 1 ork wipeout

[celest dome]

Catachan are closer to Goliath than Ogryn tbf

[dusk patrol]

I love the bit about him killing a bunch of Devils for shoes

And it’s not clear if he’s joking or not

Because it’s very feasibly a thing he could have done

[late osprey]

he's not the most academic fellow in the setting, unfortunately

[dusk patrol]

He’s a simple lad

[late osprey]

the 2nd Catachan in general seems to just be 40k's Pit of Superhuman Characters

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re just

[late osprey]

sly marbo, harker, iron hand, Galactic Genius Nork Deddog

[dusk patrol]

The Whose Who of Catachan basically

[late osprey]

only thing missing is tossing yarrick in there

[plush mason]

speaking of was he confirmed to be alive recently?

[queen laurel]

Missing

Still

[late osprey]

as far as i understand it, just about every named character is trapped in some eternal damnation where they can never die and are always fighting from warp fuckery

only partly tongue-in-cheek there

[dusk patrol]

They said on the livestream he’s “definitely dead” so

And “there’s was a body”

So he’s probably not dead

[plush mason]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

Man has drip

[sharp pollen]

is jelking a thing in 40k?

[arctic talon]

Do I even want to know what that is

[spring cairn]

straight up jelking it and by it, let's just say my jelktis

[sharp pollen]

google it 🙂

[dapper gyro]

Furry Marines

[winter vessel]

They ain’t my favorite chapter. But I do like the unique design helmet of their chaplains

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[outer wave]

If porn magazines can exist in 40k, so can jelking

[arctic talon]

Pretty much anything people do now

Prolly exists in 40k

[outer wave]

Internet memes?

[opaque coyote]

100%

You think Tech Priests just talk in the Noosphere?

Nah

I fucking love how the Tech Priests gatekeep what's essentially "Super Discord: Hive Mind Edition"

[sly ivy]

Jesus Christ

[arctic talon]

Yes

[sly ivy]

They jelk in the noosphere

That’s where mechadendrites come from

[plush mason]

damn

but where is the fang?

[forest orbit]

on Fenris

stoopid

[plush mason]

how is he gona heal his battle brothers without it

[sly ivy]

Thank goodness btw. We had gone too long without talking about penises and I was beginning to feel that this was an uninclusive space.

[plush mason]

im talking about their weird version of the apothecary tool, because wolf priests are both chaplains and apothecaries

[forest orbit]

I know I just had to make the joke

[plush mason]

but yeah its called the claw of something

[forest orbit]

[forest orbit]

This place wouldnt be the same without Tavi popping in once or twice a day to say some gooner shit.

God speed I respect anyone that has no understanding of social graces, a trooper he is

🫡

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/distraction-dance-distraction-clone-trooper-clone-soldier-gif-5904161483355143639

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/le-samurai-jelqing-smoking-noir-psi-gif-26779867

[sly ivy]

Jesus Christ that gave me secondhand pain

[forest orbit]

A mfer like you deserves that kind of pain

[sly ivy]

True

[arctic talon]

Go go new tyranids purge this chat

[forest orbit]

The one with the ballsack on his back is peak Nid

[sly ivy]

What the fuck are you doing talking about 40K on here

Cringe

[arctic talon]

It’s his venom sack

Smh

[forest orbit]

YEAH THATS WHAT I SAID

[arctic talon]

Okay let’s talk about Lancer then

Or something idk

[forest orbit]

oh no

[plush mason]

so many new raveners wtf

[arctic talon]

They’re a kill team

5 man

More elite then marine KTs lol

[forest orbit]

They are on a mission to eat a big planetary cannon

[arctic talon]

3 APL can fight/shoot twice

[sly ivy]

Are the bodies new sculpts too

[arctic talon]

Tasty tasty

[arctic talon]

Yes

[plush mason]

so does this mean raveners are a class of bioform like warriors/gaunts now?

[forest orbit]

Yeah these are entriely new

[forest orbit]

Always were

[arctic talon]

^

[forest orbit]

remember Tyranids can just make any bioform on the spot

they only got classifications that are limited because of tabletop

[plush mason]

afaik there was only ever the basic ravener that is just a small trygon

[forest orbit]

YEAH THATS WHAT WE ARE SAYING

but yeah classic 40k case of:

"they were always here!"

[arctic talon]

Erm akshully

[forest orbit]

No.

Shut up.

[arctic talon]

These nerds showed up

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

In that one nid evolution chart

[forest orbit]

cannot believe you ruined my Rogal Dorn Tank lore

[arctic talon]

“– funny thing. See, right now, this weapon technically doesn’t even exist. You’re shooting them with a gun that isn’t real, and yet it is! Don’t worry about it. RA’s like that. Just, here, know that because it exists at some point, we’ve made it. That’s causality, and causality is a –"

[opaque coyote]

Tbf with 40k being like a gigantic ass galaxy

That is

Actually plausible

[forest orbit]

yeah I know I dont mind it, but its funny for idiots that go "wahhh I hate retcons in 40k"

money is money dipshit

[arctic talon]

Lol

[forest orbit]

[opaque coyote]

Along with the bureaucratic inefficiencies of the Imperium

[plush mason]

ofc

[arctic talon]

Me when centurion armor

Also the planes

[forest orbit]

For real homie.

I remember buying a centurion one

[opaque coyote]

I mean

Unless if it's something stupid like the yellow Lasgun thing.

[forest orbit]

(I traded it afterwards after I got post-purchase clarity)

[opaque coyote]

Seriously why bother

[arctic talon]

They’re cute

Hug it

[forest orbit]

That you just ignore yeah

[forest orbit]

Its gone

probably in someones jar now

[arctic talon]

Awful

[forest orbit]

[winter vessel]

Jarate colored laser from a lasgun

[opaque coyote]

Again

I just think yellow lasers are Lasguns at their maximum power

...

[plush mason]

hell im glad the raveners have a full line up of variants now

[opaque coyote]

It still doesn't do shit against the Necron Warrior you're fighting

But hey

[forest orbit]

This pipebomb im throwing at you is at maximum power

[opaque coyote]

It makes you feel better

[arctic talon]

But yeah there’s still the basic ravener type

[opaque coyote]

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/fear-and-hunger-funger-daan-fear-and-hunger-daan-pocket-cat-gif-10104121606879066011

[plush mason]

the prime ravener looks kinda goofy though ngl

[forest orbit]

its the fin

it looks like a fish

[opaque coyote]

Btw I just got Fear and Hunger

[arctic talon]

That’s the point

I’d assume

[opaque coyote]

[forest orbit]

But

its a land creature

an Arkhan Land one if you will

[arctic talon]

One of the things it’s based on

Prolly was a fish

[forest orbit]

You're a fish

[opaque coyote]

Like I actually bought it a week ago so it isn't just

But

Yeah

I have it

[arctic talon]

I am most certainly not a fish

Smh

[forest orbit]

I hope you like cannibalism

[opaque coyote]

I should play it

[forest orbit]

and human misery

[arctic talon]

I breathe air

And walk

[opaque coyote]

I am a fan of 40k

[arctic talon]

With feet

[opaque coyote]

This is a no brainer

[forest orbit]

ok Insmouth resident

[arctic talon]

And have arms

[arctic talon]

LOL

[forest orbit]

[plush mason]

||that one the one where the monsters do butt stuff to you if you lose?||

[arctic talon]

Don’t you dare imply I’m a Welshman

[arctic talon]

Only some of them

[opaque coyote]

Y'know I kinda want to make an alt. Version of the story where the fish people just act completely normally

[arctic talon]

Mostly humans

[winter vessel]

I've been over this. and I know your pfp is supposed to be a Pulse Blade Pilot, but the red hue does not help and it makes you look like Amogus

[opaque coyote]

They just look fuckugly

While the narrator just panicks

[arctic talon]

Yeah and it’s funny

[opaque coyote]

The scene where they walk outside aren't them hunting him

Instead it's just a party

The narrator thinks it's some type of ritual

[plush mason]

wtf is a pulse blade?

[opaque coyote]

He tries to escape and the fish people chase after him

[plush mason]

ngl i thought Elite's pfp was an ODST or something

[opaque coyote]

"Hey wanna join our party, we have free drinks and bread!"

"OH MY GOD GET AWAY FROM ME YOU FREAKS!"

[winter vessel]

here's a hint for its association

[plush mason]

ah titanfall

[opaque coyote]

"Come on man, Jeff is great at the dance floor."

"THE INCOMPREHENSIBLE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!"

[arctic talon]

Wall hack knife

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

You Chuck it at a wall and it gives you wallhacks on a surface

[plush mason]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

God I wish TF 3 would release

[arctic talon]

Pulse scan in Titanfall 1 just straight up gave you wallhacks for a few seconds

Lol

[plush mason]

never gona happen

[dapper gyro]

Too bad, EA is printing money with Apex.

[winter vessel]

used to be such a bastard using this ordnance

[opaque coyote]

Actually there's two games with TF 3 as it's acronym that I wish would release

But neither would happen

[arctic talon]

It’s dead, go consume other mecha stuff as cope

[winter vessel]

I don't even bother throwing unless it lands on the hatch/face

[opaque coyote]

BUT IT'S THE COOLEST MECHA STUFF

[arctic talon]

Me when subjective taste

Lol

[plush mason]

you hear about the battletech gothic leaks?

[dapper gyro]

The other TF3 is even more sad.

[opaque coyote]

Well somewhat the coolest

I haven't tried Armored Core unfortunately

Partially because my computer's having some issues

[plush mason]

team fortress 3 is even less likely than half life 3

[opaque coyote]

And I think that even if I bought it

My computer would turn into a nuke

[arctic talon]

Read up on lancer I’m sure you’d find it cool

[dapper gyro]

AC6 is not graphic demending

[arctic talon]

[plush mason]

and half life 3 is somewhere near seeing bigfoot riding a dragon in the likely to happen scale

[opaque coyote]

I mean I think I need to reapply the Thermal Paste

But at the same time I want to actually upgrade to a new computer so I don't know how much hassle I wanna go through lmao

[winter vessel]

been playing a bit of mecha break as a way to satiate my battle mech taste

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf Half Life Alyx made it so that it's only Bigfoot caught in actual HD

Levels of possible

[plush mason]

true

[opaque coyote]

Also Half Life Alyx's combine designs are legit my favorite

And I hope that if there is a HL3

They would return in some form

Or another

[arctic talon]

I love Lancers dif mech designs so much

And how each corporation has its own design language

[opaque coyote]

Oh Horus looks fucking awesome

...

I can't believe I said that

[arctic talon]

It’s like if 4chan met an eldritch god

[opaque coyote]

Not talking about you Horus, get your BALD ASS OUT OF HERE

[winter vessel]

getting a warframe vibe from this one

[opaque coyote]

NVM it IS fucking awesome

Can't wait to shout slurs while in a mecha

[arctic talon]

That’s not even a joke HORUS were a group of internet trolls and hacktavists

Who met uh

Eldritch computer God

[opaque coyote]

"I FUCKING HATE [MINORITY] RAAAAAHHH-"

[arctic talon]

And all their stuff is horrifying

Like the gun that never existed but does exists

[opaque coyote]

That is actually perfect I love that

[plush mason]

love me some big chunky mechs

[arctic talon]

And always hits

And never missed

It will always hit you

It’s not a gun

But it is a gun

[opaque coyote]

Although if it's hackavisits then it seems more left leaning

Since most of them are left leaning

[arctic talon]

HA and Horus are like

The 2 opposites

[opaque coyote]

So /leftpol/?

[arctic talon]

Harrison armory are an almost facist organization

[winter vessel]

it even has the eye

[arctic talon]

Who loves imperialism

Horus are absurdly decentralized

And hate government control

Aside from the Union(barely)

[winter vessel]

and what's Northstar's shtick

[arctic talon]

Biggest shipping conglomerate

Make mechs for ship defense or for killing pirates

[plush mason]

ngl that font reminds me of something from Mechquest

[opaque coyote]

Sounds more like my type of faction by day.

So they're basically a group of extreme leftist rules by an Eldritch god

[arctic talon]

And for other civilian uses

Don’t worry

You can uh

Strap a gun to them

And smith shimano

Uh

They like eugenics

[opaque coyote]

Oof

Never goes well

[arctic talon]

Oh it goes great

They kidnap people to diversify the gene pool

All the time

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Ignore the fact

Everyone living under them

Had their dna copy righted

[winter vessel]

that's one hell of a 180 for a "shipping conglomerate"

[opaque coyote]

Oh great

CorpoNazis. My favorite.

...

Actually sounds fun to play ngl

[arctic talon]

Nah North Star doesn’t do that

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

North Star is the least evil

Of the 3 big corporations

[winter vessel]

oh yeah i scrolled up

now i get it

[arctic talon]

They’re just indifferent to suffering

[opaque coyote]

@arctic talon So Horus is basically an anarchism group

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Then

Sick

[arctic talon]

Also they’re nerds

[opaque coyote]

Sick

[arctic talon]

Let me post the kobold

It’s a retrofitted mining rig

[opaque coyote]

Do they commit horrific atrocities?

[arctic talon]

Blueprint sent out to rebels

[arctic talon]

Uh sometimes?

[opaque coyote]

Sick

[arctic talon]

They grey goo’d a planet once

As a joke

[opaque coyote]

The Sludge

But planet wide

...

[arctic talon]

Balor

[opaque coyote]

They are actual shitposters

[arctic talon]

Is a funny frame

[plush mason]

any of these factions have a giant mech that is basically just walking arty?

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lancer/images/5/53/Balor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200509100525

[plush mason]

like with massive cannons on it's back

[arctic talon]

Yes Harrison Armory has it

The apocalypse rail

Lol

[plush mason]

love it

[arctic talon]

The Barbarossa is huge

It’s a ship mounted rail gun

Miniaturized for mech use

It also does uh

100 damage on the tabletop

When fully charged

For context the average mech HP starting out is 10

[arctic talon]

Yes, also their memes are sometimes memetic weapons

Also they have rules on their forum boards

That you can’t post memetic weapons

Without tagging them

[rose thorn]

Holy shit teenagers need to never ever be in any kind of management position

[arctic talon]

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/024/776/389/c9a1558b2cbf47db584db7b55511dfe9_original.jpg?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&v=1555338362&width=700&sig=mfU984Y3K8WLbF0Z9fhivX5Op9yk%2F2du2g0TldYtkpE%3D

Horus Kobold is so cute

[rose thorn]

B b b based

[arctic talon]

I love it

[rose thorn]

Frog

[arctic talon]

Ignore the fact that it was used to crack a planet

[rose thorn]

That’s a horus design?

[plush mason]

please tell me its small enough for a big mech to punt

[arctic talon]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s size 1/2

The Horus goblin and kobold

Are both tiny obnoxious things

Kobold is designed for mining rebellions

[rose thorn]

A but tame for horus

[winter vessel]

this is just called Drake

[arctic talon]

Goblin is a hacker frame

Lol

[arctic talon]

It is a retrofitted mining frame

[rose thorn]

Ohhhh

Makes sense

[arctic talon]

Yeah IPS has that naval captain naming convention lol

Harrison Armory likes to name their stuff after uh

Conquerors

Dictators

Other evil people

[winter vessel]

i see what they did there with this one

[arctic talon]

Lol

[winter vessel]

"BREAK YOUR BACKS AND CRACK YOUR OARS MEN."

"WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE WHALE"

[plush mason]

i wonder what poor sods get to pilot that

[arctic talon]

The willing one

[winter vessel]

maybe some guy who has aquaphobia

[arctic talon]

The Minotaur is a funny Horus frame

It has non Euclidean space

For everything there’s way more parts in it

Then should fit

It also can send people to “the maze”

[plush mason]

its called "expendable last resort reclamation"

[arctic talon]

Yes

You want your paycheck don’t you

[plush mason]

is it a SC firebat situation where the suit slowly kills the pilot and thus the pilots are almost all reformed criminals?

[winter vessel]

NAH ain't no way they got a mech named Nelson. dude: "Commander, we have found the target who massacred more than a hundred of our assets" Commander: "Ah, my old enemy...NELSON"

[arctic talon]

No the suit is just insanely dangerous

Its made out of salvaged parts

It’s likely for Lancers and not corporate pilots

https://external-preview.redd.it/jt92B_Pn7R5e_V-Cd3grplFoavBzuPdBYsjOy83IRoo.jpg?auto=webp&s=26749f724c2b89c16a6db6e65326e3e48722fbb0

I love the caliban

Little creature

Shotgun is powerful enough to launch other mechs back

[winter vessel]

what an odd contrast, wide frame but skinny arms

[arctic talon]

Of almost any size

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winter vessel]

Nelson i find the most visually appealing i do like the medieval vibe, despite its funny naming choice

[arctic talon]

Nelson is hilarious

It’s designed for fighting pirates

My favorite time traveling(?) mech

It’s production log is dated a few thousand years in the future

Except it’s around in present Lancer time

[winter vessel]

and then it turns out the one utilizing this is the most nicest individual in existence

[arctic talon]

Tbf most members of Horus are a bit

Cooky

The mech licenses only change when someone dies

And it “opens” up

No one knows what the total count is on these licenses

Including Horus cells

The Manticore has a built in suicide bomb

[plush mason]

meeting eldrich gods tends to do that to people

[winter vessel]

my mech's got a piece in his left hand

[arctic talon]

That requires the pilot to be inside the mech

[arctic talon]

He can have 2 pieces 🔥

[plush mason]

named after the dude that founded Roanoke i guess

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lancer/images/1/12/Manticore01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200509101138

[winter vessel]

the needler if it was good in Halo

[plush mason]

any single images of the HA ones?

[winter vessel]

dey put Isaac Clarke in a mech

[arctic talon]

Yeah there’s quite a few, if you check comp/con their official like character builder

[arctic talon]

That’s homebrew

Still cool through

[plush mason]

was about to say

[arctic talon]

You can see full art

Or just check the wiki

[plush mason]

that is very close to copyright infringment

[arctic talon]

Which is incomplete

[winter vessel]

legs for days

[plush mason]

this dude

has 2 flamethrows

[arctic talon]

Yes

this is also

the version thats in line

with The 3 utopian principles of the Union

the original version is uh

not

[plush mason]

bro has 4 arms

[arctic talon]

yeah and it goes HARD

[winter vessel]

"general kenobi"

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

this is the stable version funnily enough

that was pushed into production

the prototype only has 2 arms but has a much more aggresive design

[winter vessel]

i love being PURPLE

[plush mason]

whip fingers

[arctic talon]

it also starts crawling on All 4's

once its reactor is overheating

[winter vessel]

this don't look like a horsey with wings

[arctic talon]

Don't worry about it

[tough haven]

I should play lancer

[arctic talon]

Pegasus despite looking like an eldritch monstrosity is prolly one of the easier frames

Due to the fact its so consistent

[winter vessel]

is the gun supposed to be its face?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[winter vessel]

was about to say "where's the gun" and then i had a wait a min moment

[arctic talon]

The pegasus kind of plays loose with causality

It both is and isn't a gun

same with its big license weapon

Saladin is fun in Lancer, bunch of missiles and energy shields

[rocky gale]

Interesting, the new Warcom article for Old World still uses the name Malerion rather than Malekith

[arctic talon]

They changed that in the core rulebook lore too, they’re gona be using Malerion forever now imo

[rocky gale]

Very interesting

I'd assumed it would be just an AoS change since Total War still uses Malekith

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But the old world went with Malerion for reasons

I’d assume copy right

[summer mural]

Malekitten

[arctic talon]

Don’t call him that lmao

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/malekith-gaming-smile-warhammer-gif-16378330

god

I forgot how ridiculous his helmet was compared to his tiny elf frame

[plush mason]

i got to ask, did the leader of the shadow warriors actually sleep with his mom to steal some amulet?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Prolly

[plush mason]

lmao

[rocky gale]

It's probably easier to figure out who hasn't slept with Morathi

[plush mason]

true

[summer mural]

yes

its alith anar

his existence is based

[plush mason]

the mech talk earlier made me want to play ac6 again

kinda want to try a heavy tank build

[faint bison]

So does the Lecitio Divinatus still exist in Modern Warhammer lore or has it taken a different name or evolved since Lorgar made it?

As in, it being the MAIN book, equivelant to the bible or other primary holy texts when comparing it to the Imperium.

[arctic talon]

it does still exist

And is still the big religous book

[faint bison]

Alright, thanks bro.

[arctic talon]

They've removed anything about Lorgar fromi t though

LOL

[faint bison]

Yeah, I'd assume. 💀

"Yeah a literal daemon primarch who betrayed the Emperor wrote our holy scriptures."

But even then 99.9% of the imperium doesnt know that the Traitor Primarchs are even primarchs and think of them as daemons.

The citizens at least

[plush mason]

not just the citizens

a priest that was talking to Gilliman was upset and assumed it was a test when he said there are 18 primarch because the cult says the emperor only made 9

[opaque coyote]

that is fucking hilarious

I love it

"No memetic weapons in general" 🤓

[rose thorn]

Any insect mechs?

[arctic talon]

All of smith shimano’s range are named after butterflies

Some of the Horus mechs are kind of insectoid

And some of the smith shimano things have insect like wings

[sacred ginkgo]

None of the Horus stuff has a defined appearance though right

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

All the names are just union threat classifications

[rose thorn]

Lmao their mechs are so horny

[arctic talon]

Yep, just function

If it’s a bunch of angry nanites it’s a balor

If it sends you to a non Euclidean hellmaze and violates what should be possible to fit into a space it’s a Minotaur

[rose thorn]

I like the one with 6 arms

[sacred ginkgo]

If you get cast into Egyptian hell it’s a goblin

[arctic talon]

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lancer_blackwitch_4.jpg

[arctic talon]

The manticore?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lancer/images/1/12/Manticore01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200509101138

[rose thorn]

The shimano one

Sorry 6 limbs

[arctic talon]

Ah

[sacred ginkgo]

the one with the railgun, Death's Head?

Oh wait forgot dusk wing existed

[arctic talon]

Amber phantom also has 6 limbs

But duskwing is cool

[sacred ginkgo]

Dusk Wing's lore bits are fucked

[arctic talon]

All the size 1/2 mechs are funny

[arctic talon]

"I saw myself over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over..."

DHIYED is such a fun meta vault

[sacred ginkgo]

“We made first contact maybe an hour
after breaching the vault. I remember
nothing of it. I’m told most of my squad
was killed outright; all I remember is
light– brilliant– and a lightness in my
own being.
“I do believe that I died in that moment,
and yet I’m here, and I can’t square
these two realities. Something has gone
wrong, something has gone wrong,
something has gone–”

[arctic talon]

“I don’t think we killed it. I think it wants us to believe we killed it – and I cannot imagine what it has done while we think ourselves safe.”

“Inside? What did I see inside? You think I escaped? That this is all real? No, I– I never left. I’m still there. Something is wrong. Something is not right.”

[vagrant fox]

what, ganzir mention?

[arctic talon]

Nah its about Meta vaults in Lancer

DHIYED was the only one that got properly explored

one of them got shot into a sun because it spooked the people who found it

and the other was going to get explored but the moment an expedition team stepped into it, the whole thing vanished from reality

[sacred ginkgo]

What if a blackstone fortress was also an SCP

Enjoy

[arctic talon]

Horus raiding DHIYED was funnyt

hacking a bunch of transit systems/mission boards/image boards asking if you wanted to go into a meta vault lol

and it fucking worked

[vagrant fox]

Ah, Lancer. I like weird monsters mecha things

[arctic talon]

now granted I'm pretty sure most people who went into DHIYED went insane or died

I think the list of people who came out of that place sane is a shorter list

[arctic talon]

So do I tbh

the Goblin is so funny

Weird meta vault derrived hacking mech

[sacred ginkgo]

Hurl into the Duat

Throw your opponents operating system into actual hell

[opaque coyote]

mfw when you're so annoying a fucking corpo literally makes fun of you

[arctic talon]

mfw HOR_OS starts freaking out because i put it in another frame and now I can't get the buzzing out of my head

Mourning Cloak's failure when you teleport is the funniest shit ever

[sacred ginkgo]

reappearing in the middle of the group post encounter, immediately dismounting, and running straight for the strongest bottle you have on hand

[opaque coyote]

also

like clockwork

[arctic talon]

This is a good genre of meme

[dapper gyro]

This build is so boring though

[plush mason]

i did not like it

movement is very weird

i will forever be a reverse joint leg player

[dapper gyro]

The heavy tank has almost 0 movement, It is just there to tank damage.

I either go wheel chair or standard legs.

[winter pine]

If we get a revival of mech games can someone either bring back Chromehounds or make something similar to it, I liked that game

[outer wave]

I want more Mechwarrior-likes

I was thinking of an idea of a mech game but its one of those ideas where all it is is just taking cool parts from other games and shoving them together to make an amalgam

Ie it probably wouldnt work very well

[outer wave]

I wonder how Steel Hunters is doing nowadays

It got announced during the last big gaming event but I havent heard much out of the public

[arctic talon]

It would be cool as hell though

[outer wave]

My idea was basically mixing AC and Mechwarrior together (high speed with capability to shoot off components, using what weapons you still have strategically, and ability to customize extensively) with an emphasis on momentum: if you're going fast in an 80 ton war machine, it'll feel like you're 80 tons barrelling through the sky or ground.

Or you just make a mech that specializes in using momentum and crash into things delibrately

[opaque coyote]

I generally think that a Knight game would be awesome

Like the T'au and Eldar have equivalents

I forgot whether the Nids do but I'm pretty sure they do

Chaos obviously have Chaos Knights

Am I just saying this because I want to play a T'au mecha?

Yes. And you cannot deny it would be fucking cool.

Although Eldar Mechas would also be banger

[arctic talon]

Nids do have giant bioforms yeah

[dusk patrol]

Biotitans are the main example

[arctic talon]

The game would prolly be best with armiger sized stuff

Since not every faction has knight sized stuff

[queen laurel]

off the top of my head i can think Tau, orks, eldar, imperium and chaos

that's all i can think

[tulip matrix]

Deamons and Tyranids as well

[dusk patrol]

There’s already Titanicus anyways

They’re probably not gonna make a middle ground of that

Not that I dislike the idea but, it’s unlikely

[dapper gyro]

Unless there is demand. If they make some of those units more fun to play on the table top.

[dusk patrol]

Knights already have huge balance issues in the tabletop and probably always will

[queen laurel]

they are an entire army that revolves around giant slow moving mechs

and in a tabletop war game setting being slow is not a good idea

[dusk patrol]

Same reason why Titan rules for the main table top will always be shit probably

[queen laurel]

Unless they have a lot of things to compensate for that slow speed they're gonna be always considered noob stompers

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s just, rough for the system

[arctic talon]

Knights aren’t even slow

Lol

[queen laurel]

But if the compensation is too much then they become unkillable monsters that can tank a Nova cannon to the face and not even move

[arctic talon]

They can fucking haul ass

[dusk patrol]

The problem is when you have that small an army

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

With elite units

[arctic talon]

They’re super skewy

[dusk patrol]

It’s very much either or

[arctic talon]

They’re more skewy then stodes

[dusk patrol]

Either they’re OP or terrible

Yeah Custodes already have that issue

[dapper gyro]

But imagine playing as the Avatar of Khaine only to feel the throat choke.

[dusk patrol]

Knights compound it

[dapper gyro]

It will sell like candy.

[arctic talon]

Some people are into that

[queen laurel]

really ?

that's surprising i thought their entire game play loop is being giant armored behemoths that while slow can absolutely brutalize people in the tabletop because they can eat enough damage to make someone cry

[arctic talon]

Nah

Knights move fast and kill hard

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the build but they have good melee for some

[arctic talon]

They have a 10” move

[dusk patrol]

They’re not slow, their issue is you can literally have like

[arctic talon]

Barely any

Tbh

[dusk patrol]

Four units for a 2000 point game

[arctic talon]

It’s like 4-5 questoris

Unless you’re running armigers

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

If you throw in a Dominus

It’s like 2-3 questoris

[dapper gyro]

The imperium should put some multi targeting system in these machines.

[dusk patrol]

They do

[dapper gyro]

I know

[crystal forum]

is it just me or is the discord font weird now

[queen laurel]

it ain't great but what can you do

[dusk patrol]

It’s a way to expose people who have committed tax fraud

[dapper gyro]

Though, some armies can win my number of models advantage because other units can't multi hit.

[arctic talon]

Knights issues aren’t that they can’t deal with hordes

Their issue is that they just die

They’re really pricy for how squishy they are

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

oh yeah they are very easy to hit right

[arctic talon]

This has been an issue since their introduction

[dapper gyro]

Realistic gameplay it is then...

[arctic talon]

Even with old AV system

[dusk patrol]

If your opponent builds for it, it’s a very boring game

[arctic talon]

Raise ion shields uh

Well even with old ion shields and stuff

You’d still go down easily

[queen laurel]

i was about to say don't they have like shields for this thing

[arctic talon]

Like sure you’re only slightly less durable then a baneblade

[dusk patrol]

Also because you’re so few in units holy fuck does it hurt way more when you lose one

[arctic talon]

Lol

But you only got a 3+ save

And a 5++

Like it doesn’t take much to go pop as a knight

Which is why imo reducing their current durability and letting you run more

Is prolly the way forward

[dusk patrol]

Then the problem becomes

It looks ridiculous

[arctic talon]

I mean

letting people run like 5 or 6 questoris imo

won't ruin their tabletop look

[dusk patrol]

But either way, they’re just one of those factions that inherently is hard to balance

And the games scaling back of depth hasn’t helped

[arctic talon]

even if it had the same depth as before they'd be in the same shit state

just look at Heresy knights

can't even run the army properly below 5k since you can't fill out a noble court + armigers

[dapper gyro]

1 AC can kill a whole squad of knights... ACore 4 the Victory.

[arctic talon]

armored core 4 is on meth

[dapper gyro]

Anything from 4 and after

[dusk patrol]

I’d rather clear the sight line

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

he looks cool

[dusk patrol]

Gravitats are fun

[crystal forum]

oh hey it's april fools

[opaque coyote]

Are those pink highlights

Sweet

[crystal forum]

hey eternal i fucked your mom

[opaque coyote]

Can confirm, I was the mom

[crystal forum]

you wish

[opaque coyote]

Yeah...

Unrelated image

Y'know I'm genuinely surprised nobody has tried making like

40k ""analog"" horror

Sounds pretentious ik but usually 40k tech is old styled despite being futuristic

Like I could definitely believe the video quality is fucking VHS tier on average

[crisp heath]

There's plenty of books that go into grim dark horror

Ah I think I have gotten confused

[opaque coyote]

Like ffs the Mechanicus guns are basically cowboy guns

Except futuristic

And also steampunk

[opaque coyote]

Also I think people

Well not us

But a lot of fans forget that encountering something like

A bloodthirster

Or even one regular Ork as a regular human being

Would be fucking terrifying

[crisp heath]

Would genuinely be horrible

[arctic talon]

good thing the Imperium is a derranged death cult

[opaque coyote]

Yeah true.

Also why analog horror 40k sounds fun.

Propaganda videos

My favorite

It would be fun if only to make like casual In-Universe propaganda videos

And also the classic cheesy analog horror trope of like

"Tape ending with something horrific" would literally just be normal

[crisp heath]

Grimdark shards makes some really good short audio books that usually have some element of horror you should check it out if you haven't allready

[opaque coyote]

I should. Thank you for the rec

[opaque coyote]

seriously though like

40k analog horror sounds genuinely plausible

or even just

40k analog styled videos

idk like making imperium propaganda videos sounds fun

I love shit like the Uplifting Guardsman Primer

Because it's genuinely good worldbuilding

...

and also because it's funny

and also kinda sad because you know people have properly genuinely believed it

and tried judo throwing an ork

[arctic talon]

Well

they only would have to try once

[opaque coyote]

only for them to laugh and krump them

[arctic talon]

well

the ork would just tear their arm off

lol

and then probably beat them to death with the arm

[crisp heath]

My fav thing about the imperium is the naval aspect /rt

[queen laurel]

they would probably find the them funny for trying and then

do what you just explained

[arctic talon]

Sekehmet NHP in Lancer is the perfect guardian

it'll keep you alive 100%

[queen laurel]

Oi ZOGBOK THIS HUMIE TRIED THROWIN ME

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it's either that or them just like

stopping in disbelief

[shadow plover]

There's some people who have beaten Rogue Trader here right, or at least gotten as far as Act 3

[opaque coyote]

and then tearing their arm off

like it isn't even zoggin funny they're just

genuinely bewildered

[arctic talon]

Yep

[crisp heath]

I haven't even gotten my navigator yet

[arctic talon]

need help wit something?

[queen laurel]

i beat the game yeah

[arctic talon]

I'll spoiler tag stuff

so No Bueno doesn't get spoiled

[queen laurel]

yeah me too

Bueno get the hell out of here

[arctic talon]

nah he can stay

[crisp heath]

Thanks guys

[arctic talon]

just don't click

[queen laurel]

Very well

[opaque coyote]

my favorite part of the uplifting primer is this

[shadow plover]

So just got to ||Kiava Gamma||, the last location available at this moment for me. I recon Act2 will end after I finish whatever I need to do there. So I was wondering if I should do the Expansion stuff before finishing that area? Or can I continue it where I left off after I leave ||Kiava Gamma|| without any trouble?

[arctic talon]

||act 2 won't finish at Kiava gamma, but you should do expansion stuff whenever it pops up imo, I'd do it before finishing kiava gamma||

[queen laurel]

|| like wolf said explore the systems and stuff because you might see equipment that you wouldn't see anywhere else ||

[arctic talon]

||its pretty obvious when act 2 is going to end, there is a huge climax, but I won't elaborate||

[opaque coyote]

"Any soldier who speaks ill of the Emperor, the Imperium, cites his loyalty to any entity besides the emperor, defaces holy artefacts or buildings, incites heretical thoughts or actions, talks openly about forbidden subjects and generally behaves in a manner disrespectful to all that is good and holy will have extremities removed and left to bleed to death, for the Emperor's pleasure. The body will then be burned to ensure no taint remains."

[queen laurel]

yeah this game is straight to the point when it comes to act endings

[shadow plover]

Right, I tried doing the expansion stuff right away, but ||the fight with the Magos was impossible for me at that time, killing over half of my retinue before I even had a turn. I believe I'd have easier time by now though||

[opaque coyote]

I think this is for Heresy from Rules and Regulations

[queen laurel]

do you have a Tank that can act as a damaged sponge?

[shadow plover]

yes but I couldn't activate him before he died

[arctic talon]

Yandre NHP

[shadow plover]

or everyone else was dead

[opaque coyote]

this is also a highlight

[queen laurel]

was it abelarad as a warrior Vanguard?

[shadow plover]

yes

[opaque coyote]

I love the bit of text underneath

Which probably suggested to do uh

unsavory things to psykers

sancitoned or not

[queen laurel]

did you take the extra wounds talents

[shadow plover]

yes

[queen laurel]

That give you like fake health

[queen laurel]

what difficulty are you playing on

[shadow plover]

hard

or whatever it was called

[queen laurel]

oof yeah that explains it

this game even on the lowest difficulty will give you a challenge

i'm not the best when it comes to the combat aspects

[opaque coyote]

Only one of these is true.

[shadow plover]

I don't mind the challenge but that area was just unbeatable with the loadouts I had available at the time, decided just to retry later

[winter vessel]

I just finished watching more Gameplay Reveal for Doom the Dark Ages...I found just the game i needed to release my anger from dealing with shit customers in my retail job this year

[opaque coyote]

should reenact the game on the local karen

[queen laurel]

yeah do some subquests and

power level a bit

[shadow plover]

I don't think I'd have trouble with the fight now, but I just wanted to know I won't miss my chance if I continue with the mission in ||Kiava Gamma||

[opaque coyote]

And finally

All I can say is...

Which face?

[winter vessel]

HR manager: "records for your previous job cited they witnessed you cutting a wound on their torso vertically then proceeded to pull both sides apart, exposing their internal organs. After the guest said they wanted a reimburse on a gift card" Me: "wanna see me do it again..?"

[shadow plover]

Here's how it went the last time

[dapper gyro]

Your face

[opaque coyote]

Fair

[dapper gyro]

Please don't joke like that.

[opaque coyote]

sorry

[dapper gyro]

It is alright. How are you feeling though? I see that you made some similar jokes recently.

[opaque coyote]

also why does the emperor have a metal face mask on his crotch

it looks like it's fucking staring into the guardsman's soul

[winter vessel]

"You must kiss the groin face"-Big E

[opaque coyote]

Eh, been doing fine mostly. There are days where the depression flairs up more than most, but that hasn't happened lately.

I have been trying to cut down on the suicide jokes tho

Thank you for reminding me btw

[opaque coyote]

"Bro... I'm not kissing that-"

"HERETIC! YOU MUST KISS THE GROIN FACE."

[dapper gyro]

It's ok. If you want to talk, I'm open for it. I have been there, done that.

[winter vessel]

all in all, looking forward to the Dark Ages game. wonder if i get to beat up Maykr Jabba

[opaque coyote]

it would be funny if he was actually like

the only chill one the entire time

he's just fat

[winter vessel]

Doom's version of the Duke from Resident Evil Village.

[shadow plover]

worst kind of people

[dusk patrol]

I genuinely don’t get how this even fun for people

Especially with like, kids at a LGS

Yeah dude you beat the 12 year old whose army is literally just out of a single box who barely know how cover works

Wow

Congrats

[shadow plover]

sad little gits who have nothing else in life than curb stomp new players

[winter vessel]

gloating over it isn't much of a brag, yeah

[dusk patrol]

It can be funny with friends but

[opaque coyote]

I love mysterious merchant characters

[dusk patrol]

Stupid bullshit heresy games were everyone makes their army broken as fuck can be funny

[dapper gyro]

Even with friends, your goal should be letting everyone have fun.

Otherwise, I don't think you are their friends.

[opaque coyote]

I mean it is funny if it's like

"You crush your little brother in a game"

but even then you should either teach them/actualy let them win

or just

go easy on em

[dapper gyro]

Also, help out the other guy, teach him on what he can do.

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes it is a good idea to teach them the hard way why certain mechanics are a good or bad idea but

Yeah

[dapper gyro]

That comes after.

[opaque coyote]

"Okay listen, when you go into a game, the first thing you should do is insult their mothe-"

[dusk patrol]

“So…you just moved all your guys out of cover and into my line of fire…sooo I win.”

[dapper gyro]

Well, unless if the kid is aroggance as hell, then sure, crush them all.

[dusk patrol]

He decided he wanted to be Salamanders

He made fun of my Iron Hands

He made his choice

[dapper gyro]

😑

[dusk patrol]

“Unfortunately, only I am allowed to have vehicles this game.”

Or when people wanna do primarch fights in table top

[opaque coyote]

don't get

[dusk patrol]

“Why yes I’d love to try a primarch game.”

[opaque coyote]

...

ahead of yourself

[dusk patrol]

It’s frustrating how good Ferrus synergizes with his legion

[opaque coyote]

Ironic considering in-lore he basically has the opposite opinion about cybernetics

[dusk patrol]

When narratively it’s basically impossible to make a good reason for him to be there besides “Oh boy it’s Istvaan V again.”

God its so hot

[opaque coyote]

He and the boys went to go to the local cybernetics convention when Guilliman decided to stop him

for some reason

[dusk patrol]

Lots of “ok so the legion of the damned thing is canon for this game”

But he’s an extremely good model, super powerful in melee, tied for highest base toughness with Vulkan and Horus Ascendent

[opaque coyote]

tbf I generally think Imperium Vs. Imperium battles are basically barely canon

like they say that imperium factions infight

[dusk patrol]

Extremely powerful hits

[opaque coyote]

but we actually barely see that

[dusk patrol]

Also has a pretty decent ranged suite and vehicle repair ability

[dapper gyro]

IH is my least liked legion... Maybe tied with the DA.

[dusk patrol]

No accounting for taste

Generally GW at least always gives us good rules

Partially because the legion gimmick plays into it well I think

Tough, Vehicle focused, unrelenting firing lines

Not very hard to make that gimmick solid

[dapper gyro]

8e IH was one of the strongest marines faction.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s been a couple times we’ve been some real powerhouses

And even when we’re not, they’re not bad

Heresy they’re just very solid

[dapper gyro]

IH has the "feel no pain" right?

[dusk patrol]

Stuff like -1 strength to any attack for all units, it’s just good and solid

[dusk patrol]

Depends but a lot of them do yeah

It’s a common option

And there’s often lots of relics and stuff to add it

[dapper gyro]

I just can't stand IH and DA lore.

[dusk patrol]

The two consistent gimmicks are, high toughness values or stuff like FNP

And vehicle focus, often meaning good Techmarines

Also firing lines and stuff like that but

I enjoy the IH lore, they’re cold hearted assholes but they’re extremely effective and generally more in line with what most marines probably should be like

[opaque coyote]

💀

[dusk patrol]

[opaque coyote]

They're also all cyborgs

And even I can admit

That is cool as shit

[dusk patrol]

Live longer, harder to kill

Lots of wacky upgrades and bionics they use

Their combat record is actually pretty wild

[opaque coyote]

Genuinely a SM game with an IH main protagonist sounds sick

Also the potential for customization would be fun

[dusk patrol]

Idk about a protagonist but

I’d like to see one featured

But idk

They’d probably just do some cringe shit about how the flesh is actually not weak

[opaque coyote]

True, I guess just mechanicus themed in general.

I mean there is the mechanicus games but like

FPS Tech Priest

sounds ufn

[dusk patrol]

It would be kinda fun if you could bring some as a special unit in Mechanicus

I’ve always wanted a Deathwatch game like the RPG

[opaque coyote]

tbf with psyker bullshit it isn't

but the problem is that psyker bullshit has their own problems

[dusk patrol]

With the augmetic options

[dusk patrol]

Well even their psykers take advantage of the philosophy

They enhance the bionics, machines, and have stuff which flenses non cyborgs in the radius

[opaque coyote]

doesn't like mechanically augmenting yourself like dampen psyker potential?

or

[dusk patrol]

Somewhat but they still are enhanced

And they still enhance the bionics of others and their machines

[opaque coyote]

Honestly would be fun for like an ARPG with multiple paths.

Either go full "The Flesh is weak" or "Look I can shoot lightning out of my hands"

[opaque coyote]

oh gaming

so basically the IH have bioaugments

for the psykers in their ranks

[dusk patrol]

They’re Technomancers

[opaque coyote]

awesome

[dusk patrol]

They fuck with enemy vehicles and enhance their own, make the bionics of the other IH stronger and whatever

Rapidly repair damage

[opaque coyote]

Are they actually aware that it's psyker shit

[dusk patrol]

Speed up functions

Yeah