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#40k-lore-chat
rose thorn
rocky gale
Ushoran booooooooook
rose thorn
AOS WON FIRST AND SECOND PLACE IN THE FUCKING OLD WORLD SECTION
THESE ARE BOTH AOS MODELS
rose thorn
Chaos dwarfs are in AoS now?
They have been since first
Legions of azzurhthaidvrjrbfn
They were a FW only army
sly ivy
Also ok AoS land, Blacktalon season 2 is pretty good actually
Too bad it has wammin
More like Woketalon amiright
outer wave
I cant believe it... the Stormcast women woke me up....
vagrant fox
to the deistore
arctic talon
Chaos dwarfs are in AoS now?
The chorf dude was released for AOS
Though he was prolly designed for whfb
The game died before he got released
outer wave
Ahhhh
outer wave
Though he was prolly designed for whfb
Would've been cool to see but ah well
late osprey
pog
rocky gale
AOS WON FIRST AND SECOND PLACE IN THE FUCKING OLD WORLD SECTION
Is this AoS?
rose thorn
Yes
rocky gale
Which one?
rocky gale
What model sorry
rose thorn
The first and second place ones
rocky gale
No I mean what AoS model is it
rose thorn
Oh the first one is uhhh
Uhg let me own waghaparida
Drazhoath the Ashen
Unless I’m mixing it up with uhh
spare osprey
Question for shits and giggles, ik stasis fields are a thing in 40k
But would it be out of the question to make a “prison” that’s cut off from time?
Like time inside and outside still passes, but inside the prison nothing really ages
storm jungle
Not really no.
spare osprey
I’m struggling to make this sound coherent
spare osprey
Fair ig
Should I just say it’s like daot stuff? That’s what I was leaning on
Say the tech priests who work there hypothesize it like recycles matter within itself to keep it the same or whatever
storm jungle
they've been teasing them forever, add them now!!!
storm jungle
Should I just say it’s like daot stuff? That’s what I was leaning on
Id say STC tech mixed with custom made Inquisition admech stuff.
storm jungle
remember theres forgeworlds like Deimos for the Gay Knights who make all their anti-demon gear
arctic talon
Gw please let me commit eco terrorism already
My sylvaneth will kill you
devour them my trees
rose thorn
“Yeha this is my custom chaos duardin forge, they have a giant land train that eats trees”
vagrant fox
I do like the axe except where it gets a little wiggly at the bottom of the blade
rocky gale
I do like the axe except where it gets a little wiggly at the bottom of the blad...
That's a default part of the model, not really the fault of the painter
vagrant fox
Na it was just the only thing I saw that I didn't like. It's painted very well
outer wave
How the fuck does anyone play Sharpshooter in Darktide? Like pure left tree
tough haven
How the fuck does anyone play Sharpshooter in Darktide? Like pure left tree
Hit your shots
outer wave
Yeah kinda suck at that and every melee encounter is kinda dog
Though tbf Im also trying to level the chainsword
tough haven
Though tbf Im also trying to level the chainsword
Chainsword/devils claw with savage sweep is peak
dapper gyro
How the fuck does anyone play Sharpshooter in Darktide? Like pure left tree
You can ask about that in Vet chat. They will give you more insight.
vagrant fox
Click enemy head
outer wave
You can ask about that in Vet chat. They will give you more insight.
Probs, I just wanted to share my grievances with the chat folks I know
tough haven
Bro why is it so hard to find people that make 40k music that isnt just AI slop
dapper gyro
- No one wants to pay for commission
- You get a chance of getting hit in the face by GW if you make one.
sacred bluff
Love ai music
winter vessel
Bro why is it so hard to find people that make 40k music that isnt just AI slop
Ever listen to Colm R Mcguinness? He made a recent 40k “Shanty” that is promoting Space Marines. But as Guard fanboy, the lyrics sounds more Astra Militarum coded
outer wave
Colm R. Mcguinness is damn good
tough haven
Anyone got that quote from the grand judge or whatever the fuck about degrees of guilt, and a plea of innocence is guilty of wasting his time?
or was that an inquisitor?
arctic talon
Anyone got that quote from the grand judge or whatever the fuck about degrees of...
Inqusitor karamazov
"There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time."
tough haven
@storm jungle do you have the quote from the Lord Inquisitor in rogue trader where he talks about how no action is "too far" for him
I just saw it in game but forgot to grab a screenshot for later use
opaque coyote
@arctic talon so
Apparently lore wise
Guns like the Burya require like
A shit ton of cybernetics to use properly due to their sheer force
And honestly, it does make me wish Cyberpunk had like more harsh weapons requirements
Like you can't use like Johnny's gun unless if you have
Gorilla arms or a high body stat
That type of shit
arctic talon
That is a prerequisite
On the tabletop
Lol
Some weapons are only usable with a certain stat amount or cybernetic fulfilled
opaque coyote
On the tabletop
Yeah and lore wise it's the same in 2077, but V can apparently one hand it for some reason
arctic talon
You either need a cyber arm
Or a lot of strength
To use Johnny’s gun
Oh also
It gives you cyberpsychosis
Because Johnny had the fun idea to have it link directly to your neuralware
opaque coyote
How the fuck does a gun give you Cyberpsychoais
opaque coyote
Because Johnny had the fun idea to have it link directly to your neuralware
God fucking dammit Johnny
opaque coyote
So basically he did that idea just to feel the bullet like
arctic talon
High functioning
opaque coyote
Wasn't his version of the 3516 like
arctic talon
It’s custom made
opaque coyote
Literally loaded with Nitro Express Rounds?
arctic talon
Yes
opaque coyote
We get an uncustomized version
arctic talon
No
opaque coyote
Which has 10
arctic talon
We get his
opaque coyote
Either that or he managed to jam in more rounds before his death
opaque coyote
Because I think it's supposed to be 4 shot
arctic talon
After Johnny died
It was
It was modified during Red by a woman
And then she died
And then someone else used it for a bit
opaque coyote
It’s just nerfed down for gameplay
I like to think that they decided to remove some features/tailor it to their own then
arctic talon
And it was modified further
opaque coyote
Because like
arctic talon
And then we get the thing in 2077
opaque coyote
Like I think that the reason why it's nerfed lore wise is because somebody who got it finally had the idea
"This might be slightly overkill"
arctic talon
Yeah it’s got 8 shots
In RED
Does as much damage as an anti material rifle
Lmao
5d6
opaque coyote
Yeah it’s got 8 shots
Didn't it have 4 in 2020
opaque coyote
Does as much damage as an anti material rifle
Again I think it would've been nice if we got more gun reqs in 2077
Without it, it would idk
Damage you while you fire it
arctic talon
Okay nvm
opaque coyote
Either being too powerful like the 3516
arctic talon
Mild retcon
In RED
Johnny had multiple 3516’s
One was lost for good
One is the one you can get in RED
And one is the 2077 one
opaque coyote
I assume he took it against smasher
...you think he would've at least damaged him slightly with it
Or
Nah
Cause I don't even think he had a chance to fire
If I remember he literally just got insta killed
dapper gyro
Apparently, the "3516" is the client number for Johnny.
opaque coyote
Bro did not spec into hp in the slightest
dapper gyro
So all of his custom are 3516.
opaque coyote
Apparently, the "3516" is the client number for Johnny.
Huh
Neat
....why didn't we get customized guns in 2077
arctic talon
If I remember he literally just got insta killed
Well yeah he’s a rocker boy
He’s a pretty face
Primarily
Johnny’s stats on the tabletop are def geared towards talking/being a charisma magnet
He’s not bad in a fight, it’s just not the point of his character
opaque coyote
Johnny’s stats on the tabletop are def geared towards talking/being a charisma m...
Probably how he hid the uh
dapper gyro
Kind of fit with Reeves. He is a known and loved actor, but in Hollywood, he is considered C tier at best.
opaque coyote
Severe Cyberpsychosis
dapper gyro
John Wick was a surprise hit, and he was in multiple C movies in the 2010s.
arctic talon
I just wish the alt skin for Johnny was the 2020 rulebook art for Johnny lol
Not that weird inbetween they made
opaque coyote
Kind of fit with Reeves. He is a known and loved actor, but in Hollywood, he is ...
Honestly I do think Reeves is a good actor.
Not a good voice actor though
Him as Shadow, while it fit, was also weird
dapper gyro
He is, but it is not a high tier for Hollywood.
arctic talon
Go go Lancer propaganda
dapper gyro
Most of Reeves big hit was because from his friends and long time partners.
opaque coyote
I just wish the alt skin for Johnny was the 2020 rulebook art for Johnny lol
Is Reeves look like
The canonical look for him before he died
arctic talon
No
opaque coyote
Or is it is idealistic look
arctic talon
We don’t know
LOL
We don’t have new art of Johnny aside from 2077
But 2077 also has the old design for Johnny in it from 2020
As a poster
So uh
opaque coyote
Honestly I like to think that is what he looked like before he died.
Reeves is a pretty face after all
Can't deny that
arctic talon
Ngl I wish they made reeves blonde in 2077 for Johnny lol
But the black hair is fine
dapper gyro
Btw, I think I joked to much on this channel that no one answered my question:
Between Ork hunters and Catachan, what are the differences between them? Aside from coming from different planets and their main targets.
opaque coyote
Ngl I wish they made reeves blonde in 2077 for Johnny lol
Being completely blonde sounds disgusting
But streaks of blonde sound interesting
arctic talon
Btw, I think I joked to much on this channel that no one answered my question:
...
Ork hunters aren’t nearly as good at general jungle warfare
They’re good at fighting Orks in jungle warfare
They’re very over specialized lore wise
opaque coyote
Ork hunters aren’t nearly as good at general jungle warfare
So do they know how to be sneaky
Or nah
Cause being sneaky is like
Jungle warfare 101
arctic talon
They do
But they know how to do it best against Orks
Catachan are also
Much bigger fans of fire and artillery
Ork hunters like light vehicles more
dapper gyro
I see, so Ork Hunters is kind of planetary defend force for Armageddon while SL is the expeditionary forces.
arctic talon
Yeah the Ork hunters pretty much never leave Armageddon
opaque coyote
Also the Quasar in 2077 js
The worst thing I have ever seen
And I love it
A fucking Bullpup Railgun Revolver
opaque coyote
I'm more partial to the Kenshin. Arasaka quality
I like the Grit. Some mad-man looked at the Slaught-o-matic
And decided
"Hey, this looks like a good shell for a fucking coil gun"
And it works
It fucking works
And it actually looks good
How did they make the Slaught-o-matic look cool
What the fuck
"When you see the guy you made fun of in middle school"
arctic talon
I'm more partial to the Kenshin. Arasaka quality
My favorite tech pistol
winter vessel
How did they make the Slaught-o-matic look cool
marketing. If it's made by a corporation that calls themselves "Budget Arms", the aesthetic is perfect. for crying out loud it's Databse entry is "Night Citizens disagree on a lot, but there's one common platform they share: a gun should be available for everyone, no matter the thickness of their wallet, their age, their criminal history, the time of day and, most importantly, no questions asked."
arctic talon
Ngl
I hate the gimmick of power weapons in 2077
They should just do a fuck ton of damage
opaque coyote
"When you see the guy you made fun of in middle school"
opaque coyote
I hate the gimmick of power weapons in 2077
With how they ricochet?
arctic talon
Yes
arctic talon
Yeah
It’s a dumb gimmick
They also do more damage on bounce
?????
Like
Just make them deal that bonus damage on hit
winter vessel
It’s a dumb gimmick
yeah. Its lame. it really should've had more damage output with the drawback being its specialization
opaque coyote
It’s a dumb gimmick
Honestly how about shooting through walls
Like that makes sense
opaque coyote
Nvm then
arctic talon
Because railgun
arctic talon
Again. Just make them do a fuck ton of damage
Lol
The gimmick is I fucking kill you
opaque coyote
Again. Just make them do a fuck ton of damage
Honestly the only thing I am relentlessly disappointed in Cyberpunk 2077 is the lack of Heavy Weapons
Fallout 4 had more cool looking big guns
winter vessel
I mainly like use Arasaka brand of quality guns because of the Aesthetic. of all the four styles presented to the player. I LOVE Neomlitarism. Where sleek and Efficiency combine.
arctic talon
Neomilitarism and kitsch are my favorite
tbh
what point do you think they asked if they were being evil between calling it the "Worldkiller" or when they were painting the skull on
opaque coyote
@arctic talon like this is the only LMG in the base game and it looks like a sin against god
winter vessel
<@255478624851853312> like this is the only LMG in the base game and it looks li...
stubby little stock, giant ass body
opaque coyote
This one is better looking though
Although still a sin
But tbf I'm pretty sure that a good chunk of Cyberpunk's guns are like
A sin against gun design intentionally
Since y'know
Dystopia
Why make good quality guns when make gimmick
winter vessel
Satara is what i call the "Electrician's Wet Dream"
opaque coyote
Satara is what i call the "Electrician's Wet Dream"
I like the Satara purely because it is literally hust
A futuristic double barrel
And I can't help but find that awesome
dapper gyro
Tsunami weapons are my favourites.
winter vessel
Zhuo is funny because of the absurd scale of having a smart shotgun being this big
dapper gyro
They are enough punk-esk while still looks good and functional.
opaque coyote
and it sucks
Seriously though. Like.
Imagine a Cyberpunkified Minigun.
arctic talon
Zhuo isn't even a shotgun
opaque coyote
That would've been cool
arctic talon
its a volleygun lol
opaque coyote
Why hasn't a Corpo tried making a portable Minigun for Cyberchads
Budget Arms has a flamethrower
...that is also cut
Actually wait the ad says it's a coming soon
NVM on the cut part
dapper gyro
Zhuo is like a portable metalstorm gun.
opaque coyote
Still lame that it isn't in the game though
arctic talon
it was never cut
winter vessel
Rasetsu salivating
opaque coyote
it was never meant for3 the game
Yeah I realized that
opaque coyote
Still would've been fucking awesome to use
dapper gyro
Rasetsu *salivating*
Tsunami weapons are peak!
opaque coyote
get the chrome for it
💀
dapper gyro
Nekomata and Asura are fun to use in game.
queen laurel
yeah like what's the point of like scopes in cyberpunk
queen laurel
you literally can augment your eyes to the point that you are a hawk
arctic talon
yeah like what's the point of like scopes in cyberpunk
for people with worse cyber eyes
lol
opaque coyote
Tbf the idea of using an LMG as a sniper has been done before.
Like again, somebody used an M2 as a sniper in Vietnam
arctic talon
they weren't firing it automatically
opaque coyote
they weren't firing it automatically
Also true LMAO
opaque coyote
they left out all the bright pink kitschy cute ones
Thank you for introducing me to that btw
There is apparently a sniper rifle with an AI that helps you target but only if you treat it like it's your girlfriend
Loke
That is fucking funny
queen laurel
for people with worse cyber eyes
oh yeah wolf, how the **** is the cheapest gun company makes this 4 gauge abomination of a gun
dapper gyro
Well, no electronic involved keeps the price way down.
arctic talon
they're so goddamn funny
opaque coyote
oh yeah wolf, how the **** is the cheapest gun company makes this 4 gauge abomin...
Simple
Because even if it breaks down in one shot, there is a good chance that it'll kill the person you're firing at.
winter vessel
then of course there's the blueprint you find for the Erebus Power submachine gun at Cynosure Facility. after two hours of not shitting myself and crying in fear from avoiding the Cerberus. I got the ChatGPT gun that gives other cyberware users agonizing deaths.
arctic talon
Sanroo has the funniest guns
opaque coyote
...and probably also you as well
arctic talon
they're all bright pink
well
not all
but a large majority of their guns are bright pink
and cute
and also incredibly lethal
opaque coyote
Sanroo has the funniest guns
Like I said.
Sanroo has the fucking digital girlfriend sniper rifle
You only get help from it's AI system... if you treat it like it's your actual girlfriend
opaque coyote
They put a fucking Yandere into a sniper rifle
arctic talon
LOL
opaque coyote
God help us all
opaque coyote
you should love her <:smarf:966438427866304512>
"Just Monika"
BLAM
arctic talon
It does 5d6 damage
queen laurel
you should love her <:smarf:966438427866304512>
no thanks i'm gonna stick with my Ork Shoota of a Shotgun
arctic talon
no thanks i'm gonna stick with my Ork Shoota of a Shotgun
cowardace
dapper gyro
Remember when you used to be able to put supressor on the Overture?
arctic talon
only a real man can use this
winter vessel
cowardace
Sanroo is something i'd see japanese maids at the cafe use for self defense.
dapper gyro
It was so boring in game due to the steath bonus.
winter vessel
Remember when you used to be able to put supressor on the Overture?
yeah, thought that was funny
arctic talon
its popular with Rockers
and other party faces
tbh
Its def meant to lean into that side of RP
they're really good guns granted
opaque coyote
cowardace
Also Hello cutie is obviously supposed to be a play on Hello Kitty. And I'm imagining Hello Kitty's like
Face on the side of a shotgun
queen laurel
better then Skippy
well shit
arctic talon
Skippy misfires on purpose lol
opaque coyote
OK but seriously is the sniper rifle like skippy
Yes.
It wants to be your girlfriend.
arctic talon
its also 50 BMG lol
opaque coyote
queen laurel
its also 50 BMG lol
welp a few modifications I'm pretty sure I can shove that in onto an MG
arctic talon
Prolly not
its propiratary
I'd assume it bricks if you try to move the AI
or at least tries to
queen laurel
I'd assume it bricks if you try to move the AI
that just sounds more like a challenge to be honest
this is night city after all
who knows it might explode it might kill me but hey
machine gun GF
arctic talon
but yeah Sanroo was made by Tsunami Arms designers
winter vessel
kinda lame Saratoga and Shigure are the same
queen laurel
but yeah Sanroo was made by Tsunami Arms designers
i like Budget arms
Because like
these plastic weapons still packing a punch to put you on a hospital
dapper gyro
Throw these guns into 40K, and you can send people to heretic prisons.
winter vessel
Kolac for your thoughts?
arctic talon
kinda lame Saratoga and Shigure are the same
They also have the same stats in game
fun fact lol
arctic talon
Kolac for your thoughts?
Looks awful I love it
dapper gyro
I think Arasaka and Militech guns in 2077 are lame.
queen laurel
but yeah Sanroo was made by Tsunami Arms designers
For example the Slaught-O-Matic, a gun so garbage that an ork slugga is more functional than it, and you can literally buy these in the vending machine
winter vessel
I think Arasaka and Militech guns in 2077 are lame.
i'd argue that, but then Tsunami gave me Kyubi and she's a beauty
dapper gyro
i'd argue that, but then Tsunami gave me Kyubi and she's a beauty
I already wrote above that Tsunami is my most liked brand in 2077.
winter vessel
yeah, but back during Vanilla i always favored Arasaka Brand weapons. until they introduced Kyubi to me. then i was convinced
arctic talon
arasaka made this thing in 2020 lol
dapper gyro
Nue is also the more satisfying power handgun to use.
dapper gyro
arasaka made this thing in 2020 lol
To be fair, we are still getting those kind of weapons in development today.
winter vessel
La Chingona Dorada
arctic talon
no
I don't have an issue with its design
I just think its funny it looks like an uzi lol
dapper gyro
That's what I meant...
queen laurel
because i like my guns ballistic and hard hitting that it rearranges your cybernetic organs
opaque coyote
what's the considered best power weapon makers on the market
Malorian.
They actually do care about their craft
arctic talon
in 2077?
opaque coyote
It's why ironically they have so few weapons. They need time to cook
opaque coyote
Malorian barely makes guns for mass use
Quality over Quantity.
Unfortunately in 2077, that's not how many corpos fly
...and in general
arctic talon
if we count like
dapper gyro
Malorian has the Overture revolver
winter vessel
Unfortunately in 2077, that's not how many corpos fly
cough Senkoh
queen laurel
Malorian is like top 1 or 2
ohh shit
dapper gyro
Rostovic mostly makes power weapon with extra high damage.
Even their "Tech" revolver is barely tech.
plush mason
For example the Slaught-O-Matic, a gun so garbage that an ork slugga is more fun...
that thing make me want to puke ngl
queen laurel
Rostovic mostly makes power weapon with extra high damage.
dude they make wrist rockets
arctic talon
*cough* Senkoh
Arasaka is so funny
winter vessel
Even their "Tech" revolver is barely tech.
Burya is just BIG
arctic talon
Jokes aside Malorian and Sanroo are like
queen laurel
so you're telling me I can accidentally rob someone that just has wrist rockets on the street
arctic talon
the top 2 for overall weapon quality
they both only have a single weapon with "standard" quality
in RED
dapper gyro
You don't even need to charge the Burya to kill normal targets in hard mode...
queen laurel
What the actual fuck
plush mason
yall talking about 2077 or the ttrpg?
arctic talon
You don't even need to charge the Burya to kill normal targets in hard mode...
Tbf intimidation, STYLE, making a show of it
That all matters
arctic talon
yall talking about 2077 or the ttrpg?
both
jjust general lore
Stuff that unfortunately doesn't matter in 2077
dapper gyro
Burya is just *BIG*
The Comrade Hammer used to be the most powerful gun in the game.
arctic talon
the Burya would be excellent in RED as an intimidation piece lol
or to make a show of things
for more street cred
dapper gyro
Like, it does 1M damage!!!
plush mason
RED?
plush mason
no what is RED
dapper gyro
Cyberpunk RED, a version of the tabletop game.
plush mason
ok
arctic talon
and will be the ruleset used going forward forever
which is why 2077 is gona be a supplement to RED
rather then them making another system
oh yeah fun fact I guess 2077 is getting a TTRPG
plush mason
going full circle
arctic talon
tbh I'll be happy to see the 2077 armory and cyberware in RED(the system not era)
plush mason
i hope they try to explain why V was able to chrome out well past the point most people could
arctic talon
i hope they try to explain why V was able to chrome out well past the point most...
already got word of goded, he was sharing the mental stress with Johnny
and Johnny was already a cyberpsycho
arctic talon
yeah
opaque coyote
Burya is just *BIG*
You know the worst part is that some concept art actually makes it look less ugly
Like
I like the bottom right design and I wish it was in the actual game
dapper gyro
Yes, the folding stock, you will need it.
arctic talon
Define firearm
queen laurel
Define firearm
guns
arctic talon
as in usable by normal unagumented human
dapper gyro
Tabletop or 2077?
arctic talon
also yeah tabletop or 2077
dapper gyro
Noth?
queen laurel
okay but like by gun
well i said the biggest
arctic talon
or bigger
opaque coyote
or normally augmented
By biggest I think he means "Need to be built like Adam smasher to use normally"
queen laurel
yeah that
dapper gyro
Missile launcher...
queen laurel
Missile launcher...
needs to be handheld
like the biggest handheld firearm you can get
queen laurel
society class don't matter
arctic talon
arctic talon
if you want something that is
shaped like a normal gun
I guess this thing
Its a missile launcher + shotgun
queen laurel
https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Militech_%224-Pack%22_Missile_Pack_Launcher
so you're you're telling me this is the biggest handheld firearm you can get in night city
opaque coyote
so you're you're telling me this is the biggest handheld firearm you can get in ...
Well there's this railgun
queen laurel
Well I can't complain it is good
opaque coyote
But that's in 2020
dapper gyro
so you're you're telling me this is the biggest handheld firearm you can get in ...
It is bigger than that, supposedly.
I think smasher used one of those in the cartoon.
queen laurel
It is bigger than that, supposedly.
Well yeah this one is a rocket launcher that one is a missile launcher
opaque coyote
also
imagine trying to bully this kid
"Hey yo give me your lunch money"
pulls out a fucking rocket launcher
opaque coyote
Well yeah this one is a rocket launcher that one is a missile launcher
Also there's a Walmart Rocket Launcher
Or well gunmart
Apparently if you roll a critical failure, it just explodes while in the tube
queen laurel
Apparently if you roll a critical failure, it just explodes while in the tube
like i said
shoddy guns in night city is less reliable than an ork made Firearm
opaque coyote
Honestly I kinda wish it was in the game purely because
it would be funny for there to be like
a 33% chance of exploding in your face
queen laurel
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/e/ec/Tsunami-arms-helix.webp/...
hell yeah
plush mason
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/e/ec/Tsunami-arms-helix.webp/...
damn i didnt know the EDF fencer got their weapons from cyberpunk
dapper gyro
Overall, Cyberpunk weapons would make 40K imperial guard to shame.
Though, it is not a high bar imo.
As 40K stated that the guard weapons are only at level of 20th-21st century.
queen laurel
Overall, Cyberpunk weapons would make 40K imperial guard to shame.
well to be fair a lasgun would be pretty dangerous still in night city and more than reliable enough to be there
highly customisable can blow a hole through concrete
And send limbs flying in a single shot
opaque coyote
As 40K stated that the guard weapons are only at level of 20th-21st century.
I mean the higher caliber ones and shit like plasma guns definitely aren't
Although Autoguns and Stubbers definitely are
dapper gyro
Depending on the level power of the lasgun, not all lasgun can do that.
opaque coyote
Maybe even the bolters
opaque coyote
Depending on the level power of the lasgun, not all lasgun can do that.
Depending on the power setting also
dapper gyro
People usually group all type of lasgun into 1 and call it a day.
dapper gyro
I mean the higher caliber ones and shit like plasma guns definitely aren't
Oh yeah, anything outside of those.
Though we have much better missile launcher than the guard in 40K.
So up to that I guess.
queen laurel
Depending on the level power of the lasgun, not all lasgun can do that.
yeah but assuming that it's like an average run of the mill lasgun it would do pretty well
even las pistols can help though only in a relatively shorter range
tough haven
Would the mechanicus be cool with most cyberpunk augments?
plush mason
i dont see why not
tough haven
Would they just start being one of the major augment manufacturers in cyberpunk lol
queen laurel
Would the mechanicus be cool with most cyberpunk augments?
if they made it yeah
if not
it's bad
plush mason
they would be a lot more pissed off about the AI stuff
queen laurel
yeah
dapper gyro
The black wall might wipe the entire mechanicus if they try to dig into it for the Omnissiah shit.
dusk patrol
The Mechanicus has firewalls and security measures
And they have to deal with similar fucked up stuff on various Forgeworlds
There’s no lack of dark age horrors lingering around
It’s not really quantifiable since both are sci fi tech mumbo jumbo at the end of the day but still
plush mason
hell wtf even is black ice?
phantom liberty had us use it as a damn super weapon that just melted people's minds
tough haven
hell wtf even is black ice?
Cold
dusk patrol
hell wtf even is black ice?
Basically ICE is there to fuck people up and keep them alive for the authorities to collect you
Black ICE hijacks that and kills you instead
plush mason
so its basically just a virus
plush mason
yeah
dusk patrol
Black ICE is the worse version of ICE
plush mason
2077 focused on that a lot
really says a lot about the AIs that netwatch made a massive wall of basically super death programs to keep them out
dusk patrol
Basically ICE is normal countermeasures to protect data and stuff
Black ICE also tries to kill the persons trying to hack in or whatever
spare osprey
Black ICE hijacks that and kills you instead
plush mason
yeah iirc Tbug mentions "ICEing up" before logging into V's systems
dusk patrol
They’re very illegal for most people who aren’t Netwatch or something like that
plush mason
ofc
arctic talon
Black ICE is comedy
arctic talon
really says a lot about the AIs that netwatch made a massive wall of basically s...
Also the blackwall is an AI
fun fact
Its a friendly AI rather
dusk patrol
It’s a common trope to have a unfortunate Netrunner realize too late they’re fucking with someone dangerous with Black ICE
Yeah it’s constantly adapting
Since the rogue AI are always trying to break through
plush mason
Also the blackwall is an AI
lmao really
arctic talon
Yes
queen laurel
Black ICE is comedy
can you put black ice into bullets
arctic talon
no
queen laurel
so that when i shoot people in the brain they just spasm and die
dusk patrol
There’s basically a constant arms race and cyber war between Netwatch and the Rogue AI
queen laurel
welp it was worth a shot
dusk patrol
so that when i shoot people in the brain they just spasm and die
Well I mean
sacred ginkgo
so that when i shoot people in the brain they just spasm and die
If think they're going to do that if you shoot them in the head anyway
dusk patrol
You shot them in the brain
plush mason
can you put black ice into bullets
V was able to use it as a weapon for a brief moment
queen laurel
You shot them in the brain
Yeah but like i want them to suffer more
people in cyberpunk have hilarious skull plating you know
dusk patrol
There is smart settings to not kill people and just fuck them up
plush mason
which literally just holding up your hand and deleting the federal agents sent to stop you
dusk patrol
For smart weapons
queen laurel
like combat sports enhancements can turn someone completely bulletproof
plush mason
also using black ice in that way not only fucked with V's augments it deeply unnerved the god tier merc
idk why people think playing hide from the killer robot is a better ending than being the god of death for an hour
winter pine
very fitting that one of the rewards you can get from that ending is the Erebus SMG, sure as shit evil enough to deserve the name
plush mason
yeah
using black ice to fry the brains of people was a bit much even for the lucid cyberpsycho that is V
queen laurel
very fitting that one of the rewards you can get from that ending is the Erebus ...
a gun like that is fucking horrific
imagine getting shot and brain cybernetically gets fried
winter pine
Makes me think that the Mechanicus are on to something about abominable intelligence
queen laurel
Makes me think that the Mechanicus are on to something about abominable intellig...
Hey if you want to make robots that follow your every command, don't make them sapient
opaque coyote
very fitting that one of the rewards you can get from that ending is the Erebus ...
I also love how V's like
"Another construct yapping about killing me? Get in line man."
dusk patrol
Makes me think that the Mechanicus are on to something about abominable intellig...
The cost vs benefit is jsut
Astronomical
opaque coyote
insert Johnny saying 'INSERT SOME IRON IN YOUR MOUTH AND PULL THE TRIGGER'
winter pine
Hey if you want to make robots that follow your every command, don't make them s...
UR-025 when he cut that techpriest in half with a minigun be like
dusk patrol
It’s not worth the risk
opaque coyote
Makes me think that the Mechanicus are on to something about abominable intellig...
I mean they both are and aren't
Like I bet the War against the Men of Iron was basically due to multiple reasons
Since well, the AI are sentient
They probably had their own agendas. Some fought against humanity, some for, some just against each other
winter pine
Kinda sad that a genuine Man of Iron just had that one appearance and seemingly got shelved, seemed like an interesting character
opaque coyote
Kinda sad that a genuine Man of Iron just had that one appearance and seemingly ...
Probably because they wanted to keep the DAoT a mystery
But yeah it is kinda sad
dusk patrol
We don’t need to go deeper into the older lore for 40k that we already have tbh
opaque coyote
Like that's the problem with mysteries
We want the answer to them
But sometimes it's more compelling without an answer
winter pine
very excited for what they squander with that in the upcoming 20+ part series on the Scouring
dusk patrol
Already know how that goes though at least
And since they did the heresy there’s loose ends to tie up still
dapper gyro
Go to sleep, Laati.
dapper gyro
CAli?
crisp heath
Was transformers one good I couldn't get past the forst 20 mins
opaque coyote
ye
crisp heath
May go try watch it again
shadow plover
it was the best Transformers content we've gotten in 20 years
crisp heath
May be a unpopular opinion but I really liked the live action movies
shadow plover
only the first one is somewhat decent, imo
crisp heath
The cgi was pretty amazing
shadow plover
the Bumblebee one was pretty good though
celest dome
CGI wise they're quite good, without going too far like Avatar 💀
crisp heath
They did it so well I heard that it made all cgi after those movies look half hearted
There the best at it now from those movies think they don't find work because no one can afford it
queen laurel
Was transformers one good I couldn't get past the forst 20 mins
it genuinely is good
the trailers blagged it
forest orbit
Was transformers one good I couldn't get past the forst 20 mins
Yeah its peak
opaque coyote
Warhammer fans:
dapper gyro
Don't need to rub salt into wound...
shadow plover
80% of those 45% are Warhammer fans
raven stone
Warhammer fans:
Yea well that doesn’t account for women ghosting men in the middle of a dating app chat (that does not involve the male being overbearing/stupid/perverted ofc)
opaque coyote
Y'know I had the funny idea of like just writing an Inquistor's retinue being forced to like
Make a diplomatic truce with like an Eldar or something
They just keep butting and being like
"WE DON'T WANT TO TALK TO A FILTHY SOULLESS XENO"
And then it ends with the Inquistor snapping, telling them to shut up. The Eldar is relieved at having some reasonable conversation.
And then
"Besides, Eldar only eat babies. And as far as we know, we don't have any babies so we're fine."
dusk patrol
opaque coyote
Here is an actual fact btw
Italian soldiers were told that if they surrendered to the Americans
In WW2 btw
That they would get castrated
I wish I was joking
So a group of them surrendered
And they were basically like
"...so are you gonna cut our dicks off?"
And the US Soldiers were like
"What the fuck??"
opaque coyote
And that makes me wonder what rumors the Imperium have for like their actual enemies
Like Xenos
opaque coyote
Like I can imagine them being like
"Eat your greens and go to bed on time. Or else the Spikey men will kidnap you and cook you alive."
forest orbit
They eat kids, they want our land uhhh I dunno [insert any WW2 Propaganda poster slur here]
opaque coyote
(tbf this is true)
forest orbit
Like I can imagine them being like
"Eat your greens and go to bed on time. Or e...
Cooking is too out of style.
Thats more of an ork thing
opaque coyote
They eat kids, they want our land uhhh I dunno [insert any WW2 Propaganda poster...
It doesn't help that enemies like Daemons actually basically do every horrendous thing you can think of
raven stone
Like I can imagine them being like
"Eat your greens and go to bed on time. Or e...
Wait Spikey men might mean Chaos instead, the parents are executed for treason 💀
forest orbit
It doesn't help that enemies like Daemons actually basically do every horrendous...
Also depends tbh, the way you die is entirely dependant on what that particular daemon is feeling at the time 😂
opaque coyote
Wait Spikey men might mean Chaos instead, the parents are executed for treason �...
Nah. Just spikey men, totally distinct.
forest orbit
Some would just stab you in the chast and we done with it
crisp heath
The ussr also used to be on the axis
opaque coyote
Tbf that would also be like
Heretics in general
forest orbit
The ussr also used to be on the axis
Considering the Imperium borrows a lot of inspiration from most fascist regimes it checks out tbh.
opaque coyote
Like an Imperium citizen would know
"Spikes = bad juju"
Especially if they're in the lower hives
I can imagine a lot of rumors going around
crisp heath
Did you guys also know italy where the 1st fascits
opaque coyote
Ye
forest orbit
but to some idiots the word "fascism" is a buzzword these days apparently, I wonder what they mean by that
crisp heath
I thiught fascism was just a 1 party state that's heavily millatarized
opaque coyote
I thiught fascism was just a 1 party state that's heavily millatarized
I mean
It is that. But there's also a bit more
forest orbit
^
opaque coyote
But generally that's a good start
forest orbit
I thiught fascism was just a 1 party state that's heavily millatarized
This is the general checklist for it
Kind of topical these days lol
crisp heath
Isnt it also a system created by the 1% to stay in power?
opaque coyote
I thiught fascism was just a 1 party state that's heavily millatarized
Technically that would be totalitarianism.
But either way it isn't good
forest orbit
the "managed" part of Managed Democracy kinda says it
the illusion of you the citizen being given any choice aside from pressing a button for an AI to "choose" a leader for you
its funny as fuck
crisp heath
Does any political systems actually work?
opaque coyote
the "managed" part of Managed Democracy kinda says it
Also the fact that the votes are literally decided by AI
forest orbit
I mean some do
crisp heath
I feel Like they don't sonetimes
forest orbit
We manage with what we have now, the problem is people suck.
Its just how it is
You just gotta make by
dusk patrol
They all suck, except lottocracies
forest orbit
The U.S for example is a shitshow rn
opaque coyote
Does any political systems actually work?
Yes.
And no.
Problem is that in general plans don't really survive reality.
crisp heath
Lottocracie?
opaque coyote
Lottocracie?
LET'S GO GAMBLING
dusk patrol
Lottery every year for who gets to be dictator
dusk patrol
It has a 0% failure rate
forest orbit
crisp heath
Lol imagine making someone dictator for the year and they just have everyone put against a wall and shot
opaque coyote
Technically when someone says "Real X has never been tried"
dusk patrol
Overpopulation goes down
crisp heath
No deffs not me
forest orbit
Kinda but yeah
dusk patrol
Real estate becomes affordable
dusk patrol
Downside, labor shortage
forest orbit
you cant really also trust anyone in power that much
they always find some way to fuck it up
or let it get to their head
dusk patrol
The meme answer is the Churchill quote, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
crisp heath
I'm obviously joking incase anyone's taking this seriously
forest orbit
That's what the children are for
They yearn for the mines
https://tenor.com/view/hair-in-the-dust-lungs-filled-with-coal-subject-bloom-gif-9320034399813821894
dusk patrol
Ideal government is probably if you can get some 100/10 benevolent dictator that makes all the right choices, but unfortunately there’s a big shortage of those
opaque coyote
Y'know the most disturbing part about Helldivers 2 are the illegal broadcasts.
Specifically the one about the bugs.
Because it's implied that the ones making them were actually the colonists. They basically realized what the bugs actually were for oil in their last moments, and how they're basically going to die for nothing. So they basically start warning people.
You're basically shutting down their last words.
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/hair-in-the-dust-lungs-filled-with-coal-subject-bloom-gif...
children yearns for the mines fans when i put them to to work using whips
forest orbit
Y'know the most disturbing part about Helldivers 2 are the illegal broadcasts.
...
My favorite part is whenever the fandom gets mad when they get reminded the game is satire with every warzone/lore update the devs make.
Peak warhammer fans moment
crisp heath
Do a southpark system for how they do the economy cut of a chicken head and put it on a spinning wheel where it lands is what we do
dusk patrol
Magic Conch shell government
crisp heath
Bailout the business! BAILOUT
opaque coyote
My favorite part is whenever the fandom gets mad when they get reminded the game...
Tbf HD1 actually allowed wins and losses
While HD2... doesn't really tbh
forest orbit
Tbf HD1 actually allowed wins and losses
Yeah that was more impactful but its hard to manage that with such a huge online playerbase rn.
dusk patrol
The story is still ongoing tbh
forest orbit
At least the playerbase fits the definition of a legion of unquestioning idiots really well
so thats fun imo
planet about to be destroyed
evacuate all the rich people
dusk patrol
They’ve branched off some stuff but they’ve said they’re trying to develop stuff before they let us potentially lose Super Earth
crisp heath
Is HD based on starship troopers
opaque coyote
Yeah that was more impactful but its hard to manage that with such a huge online...
Yeah.
Also another disturbing part is that the Helldivers might be hundreds of years old technically
crisp heath
I really swear it is
dusk patrol
It’s inspired by it
forest orbit
The movie version though obviously
dusk patrol
And other media
crisp heath
Ah that's so cool
forest orbit
Yeah its great
Its one of the reasons why the satire is super on the nose and blunt.
crisp heath
Just like the movie was
forest orbit
The ship announcements literally say wild shit like if you are too old go and jump in a "bio-repurposer tank"
opaque coyote
Its one of the reasons why the satire is super on the nose and blunt.
...and then people still think it's to aspire too
forest orbit
the moment I heard that I was like "what the fu-"
opaque coyote
Just like the movie also
forest orbit
...and then people still think it's to aspire too
I mean
Nobody said people were smart
opaque coyote
The ship announcements literally say wild shit like if you are too old go and ju...
Literally the suicide booth from futurama
forest orbit
Look at 40k lol
dusk patrol
Most people aren’t engaging with it at all tbh
opaque coyote
Lmao
forest orbit
"Yes Id love to be a space marine"
dies on the surgery table
or gets blown up during the neophyte trials lol
dusk patrol
It’s a silly video game or silly action movie to most people, and that’s where it begins and ends
opaque coyote
>dies on the surgery table
If they even get that far
forest orbit
Yeah that too
crisp heath
Do space marines Do thar thing pharaohs do?
forest orbit
Uh which thing
dusk patrol
Same with 40k, like people don’t logically even think through what marines would be like
forest orbit
Nose organ squeezing?
crisp heath
I like you silly man you shall be Burued w me for eternity
opaque coyote
Do space marines Do thar thing pharaohs do?
Mummify?
Nah only the Necrons can do that
crisp heath
Lmao only in 40k
opaque coyote
Same with 40k, like people don’t logically even think through what marines would...
Yeah the horrific surgery should be a starter but
dusk patrol
Burials aren’t even super common for a lot of them
opaque coyote
Nahh
forest orbit
If they even get that far
Tbh its the same thing I love with the HD2 playerbase and why I'm glad I never get into any contact with it.
Every time they get reminded the game is not taking itself seriously they get furious
opaque coyote
They'll somehow go through with it
forest orbit
its such a funny cycle
opaque coyote
Tbh its the same thing I love with the HD2 playerbase and why I'm glad I never g...
Helldivers are both elite soldiers and expendable as shit
forest orbit
Helldivers are both elite soldiers and expendable as shit
Their only use is to use stratagems yeah
The fandom legit thinks they are like super elite soldiers for some reason when only maybe 1% of them are.
opaque coyote
Like on one hand they are genuinely terrifying in their capabilities. Like even ignoring stratagems
Like even a regular helldiver can probably take down like 1000 bugs
dusk patrol
They’re as elite as you are.
forest orbit
Not 1000
dusk patrol
Which means most suck
forest orbit
But like a dozen maybe
opaque coyote
On another hand
Drop
forest orbit
They are literally 18 year olds with basic training
full obsidian
Helldivers are both elite soldiers and expendable as shit
so its like dark tide
forest orbit
so its like dark tide
Not that close.
dusk patrol
Yeah
crisp heath
Aint they mostly bags of blood to be "expended"
dusk patrol
Most die
forest orbit
In Darktide the status we are in now is legit proper elite Inquisition agents.
dusk patrol
A few survive and are cool kids
forest orbit
the fodder elements dont make it anywhere we do
Its why all the current missions we go to have us be handpicked.
opaque coyote
They are literally 18 year olds with basic training
The funniest thing about it is that we literally never get training for the Automatons and the uhh what's the other alien group
dusk patrol
Most of the convicts are shitters who don’t survive a mission or two
forest orbit
The funniest thing about it is that we literally never get training for the Auto...
Illuminate
opaque coyote
They are literally 18 year olds with basic training
Also isn't there like
A regular army along with it?
forest orbit
Also isn't there like
A regular army along with it?
SEAF yeah
dusk patrol
Its just we the player are always gonna be the cool kids cause
It’s more fun that way
opaque coyote
Like we hear mentions of them actually having a regular Army
forest orbit
they are basically always dead by the time you drop in
full obsidian
arent the helldivers expendeble fodder tricked into thinking theyre elites by propaganda?
forest orbit
Pretty much
dusk patrol
A lot are, it’s basically like
crisp heath
I wonder where all these people are coming from
dusk patrol
You are as elite as you play lol
opaque coyote
SEAF yeah
I always thought that Helldivers are basically the equivalent to SEALs.
Not the elite of the elite. Still expendable but are at least trained and equipped better than the average SEAF member
full obsidian
so the "regular army" is probably propaganda too then to give the illusion of being an elite could it not
forest orbit
so the "regular army" is probably propaganda too then to give the illusion of be...
Like when you complete training after being told you are the most elite of Super Earth you literally get put in a macro-fridge with tons of other divers that are just teenagers to go die out in the field
Super Earth is full on just fascist idiots
gray umbra
Helldivers are artillery beacons
crisp heath
Like there's so many humans in that time it's abit weird
forest orbit
Helldivers are artillery beacons
^
opaque coyote
Super Earth is full on just fascist idiots
Also some may technically be hundreds of years old
crisp heath
Oh .
forest orbit
I wonder where all these people are coming from
Plot
People fuck
full obsidian
You are as elite as you play lol
you are for gameplay sake but in lore theyre not meant to be just like dark tide i think
forest orbit
Also some may technically be hundreds of years old
Yeah or from the First Galactic War
dusk patrol
Helldivers is a deeply unserious universe too so the logistics never make sense
dusk patrol
you are for gameplay sake but in lore theyre not meant to be just like dark tide...
Generally most are cannon fodder yeah
forest orbit
you are for gameplay sake but in lore theyre not meant to be just like dark tide...
Nah yeah we are pretty much the 1%
Its why most of the warband is just made of penal troopers
we meanwhile are proper Inquisition agents by this point
now we are just certified expendables like everyone in the business
and get a cool rosette
dusk patrol
Like the vast majority of the convicts don’t survive their first missions
We’re just the cool kids now cause it’s more fun that way
crisp heath
Penal battalions are scary
opaque coyote
Like when you complete training after being told you are the most elite of Super...
Tbh considering in lore, most get a gun when you're 16 years old. I always thought that there was mandatory military training for "citizens"
And that Basic for Helldivers was basically a formality. Since you technically already got it.
gray umbra
Latest patch is us going through the hyperbolic time chamber 😤
forest orbit
Tbh considering in lore, most get a gun when you're 16 years old. I always thoug...
There is yeah
one of the announcements mentions it
crisp heath
Your fighting rapists murders psychos that have been given a gun and tbe condition is if they turn and run there executed
forest orbit
also another one says wild shit like "above the age of 7" when it comes to fighting lol
opaque coyote
one of the announcements mentions it
Yeah so I assume it's more like a formality if anything
forest orbit
Your fighting rapists murders psychos that have been given a gun and tbe conditi...
Theres a really good book uh
Traitor's Rock
opaque coyote
Because the average Super Earth citizen already went through basic
forest orbit
where they gotta break into some heretic super-fortress
and they just clog the breaches made in the walls with penal battallions
crisp heath
where they gotta break into some heretic super-fortress
Wh40k?
forest orbit
and their corpses become like grains of sand from a distance
opaque coyote
You're basically just there to know what the equipment is and also to get congratulated before you
Die horribly
crisp heath
Russia and the ss used them heavily
forest orbit
Its not the best but it does a good job of showing how some penal battallions get treated
opaque coyote
Also the Automatons are genuinely disturbing
forest orbit
"I dont care if you are a rapist, go shoot those heretics and be useful"
crisp heath
They had groups of people fighting for them they were trying to wipe out