40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

didn't donald trump literally begin the withdrawl?

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.gameleap.com/images/articles/art_9053-KSySM/feature/1x.webp

Leblanc pulled off her skin has chosen to look different

[opaque coyote]

Y'know the worst and best part throughout this entire thing

I was listening to this when I saw that tweet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vp_4vc-btI

"I AM A WIND OF DESTRUCTION!"

[storm jungle]

would be better if you were listening to Collective Conciousness

[opaque coyote]

real

[storm jungle]

🇺🇸 🫡

[opaque coyote]

i feel like the hot wind is blowing is better purely because it literally has the us soldier marching cadence of

"I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BUT THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE CAN'T BE CONTROLLED"

obviously not the "BUT-" part but you get the point

[storm jungle]

i really should listen to it more

its like my least favorite boss theme but its a hard competition

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely think it is really good

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[storm jungle]

nah it is good

[arctic talon]

It’s my favorite

[storm jungle]

i just cant get to it

[arctic talon]

Collective consciousness

[storm jungle]

ill listen to it more

[storm jungle]

Same

[arctic talon]

My least favorite is bladewolfs

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

oh yeah #3 for me.

#1 is Jetstream Sam's theme (generic ik)
#2 is Mistral's

[storm jungle]

the fires of greed will buuuuuuuuurn the weaaaak
so we'll make freedooooom obsoleeeeete

https://tenor.com/view/dance-party-whip-your-hair-gif-15387290

fucking BANGING

[opaque coyote]

also

[arctic talon]

I also love how it sounds

Somewhat heroic

[opaque coyote]

bro did the naruto run and the sonic thumbs up

[arctic talon]

Regarding collective consciousness

Until you hear the lyrics

[storm jungle]

YEP

I never paid attention to the lyrics once lmao

its great

[arctic talon]

It’s very heroic sounding

[storm jungle]

(also topical)

[arctic talon]

Until you hear the lyrics LOL

When blood and sweat is the real cost
Thinking ceases, the truth is lost
Don't you worry
You'll be told exactly what to do
I give my people the lives they need
The righteous will succeed

[opaque coyote]

I fucking love like

the beat being the opposite of the actual meaning tbh

Like I also love depressing songs with a happy beat

[dusk patrol]

Red Sun and Collective Consciousness are the two best songs

Rules of Nature just has the one part

[arctic talon]

Red Sun, collective and stains of time

[dusk patrol]

It’s great but

[arctic talon]

Are my 3 favorite tbh

Rules of nature has 1 part

That steals the show

[opaque coyote]

also the beta songs are different

https://youtu.be/fJttZCtqM34?si=jRblod23_qcEKF0h

[dusk patrol]

I wish they had longer versions

[opaque coyote]

and rules of nature basically had a huge lyrical overhaul in comparison

which might be why it's kind of lackluster?

except for that one part but still

cause it's the song that was the most changed

[dusk patrol]

Still though

They’re not

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[arctic talon]

I want a lancer crpg

[arctic talon]

My GOAT

Worst father of the year

[opaque coyote]

take a listen to them tbh

it feels strange lol

[dusk patrol]

Alimony is for people who lack motivation

[opaque coyote]

I actually like the beta instrumentation for "The only thing I know for real"

sounds much more aggressive

I like how the cymbals crashing sounds like swords clashing

[arctic talon]

some of them sound weird

lots of dissonence on purpose

Which is fine

[opaque coyote]

yeah locked and loaded/rules of nature basically sounds

completely different from each other

like it's the same instrumental but different lyrics

feels weird

[opaque coyote]

singer is obviously worse though

although he does actually kill it when the metal screaming starts

but now i wonder what the beta instrumental with the original singer's lyrics sounds like

[storm jungle]

Yeah it definitely sounds a bit off

[opaque coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juDjuHUM-94

perfect

[storm jungle]

yeaaah that vid

[sharp pollen]

i like this one

[arctic talon]

I always like finding original versions of songs

from earlier versions of a game

[opaque coyote]

same

[dusk patrol]

Makes me wish Kojima did more original songs for his games

And not just like, one

For each game

[storm jungle]

To be fair the base OST of MGS games is legit great as is

[opaque coyote]

please don't fucking kill me for this but Genshin Impact is another example of like

having interesting sounding beta osts

[storm jungle]

its just not really, you know, guitarshredding fuckfest

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

I need more edgecore

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

yeet!

[arctic talon]

Edgecore

[arctic talon]

I have never played Genshin so I don't have a horse in this

[dusk patrol]

Idk if that’s what it’s called but it should be

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

tbf again

MGR is made by Platinum Games.

They made the DMC games and Bayonetta.

Of course they would making banging ass osts

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

They know how to do edgy well

It’s silly but it works cause they commit so hard

[opaque coyote]

Also "According to Kojima, PlatinumGames was the only studio capable of working on an action game with sword-based combat."

[dusk patrol]

Well

Idk about that but

They were a good choice

[opaque coyote]

they are good at it that's for sure

[storm jungle]

Platinum is like the best candidate tbh

especially if you look at their game list

[storm jungle]

Mmmm yes, robots

cue ladder climb

[opaque coyote]

Also for unrelated reasons

https://www.videogamer.com/features/stalker-2-devs-oppressive-zone-designed-destroy-fantasy-of-better-life/

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-fish-wheres-the-lie-gif-27459719

[opaque coyote]

btw the reddit thread where I found this had somebody comment

"Lads, I live in Britain. The Zone is my utopia."

[dusk patrol]

Unfortunately they gave them cool gas masks and vodka so

[opaque coyote]

London is just a more lame version of the Zone fr

[dusk patrol]

My smooth brain will not agreed

[storm jungle]

kid named michael

[opaque coyote]

afton

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddy's-dance-freddy-fazbear-meme-gif-387447488759269797

[sharp pollen]

im trying to find more good mashups

[arctic talon]

lol

[sharp pollen]

there are also funny covers for each one but im not sure if i can send them, would be a bit spammy

[sharp pollen]

like this

mgs songs go so perfectly together with so many songs

oh and this one, kinda blasted
https://youtu.be/6BrI_fPDNuk

come on, get embed

yip

alright, last one
https://youtu.be/ZoGwvJgHjvE

devil trigger + theonlythingiknowforreal, omg...

[nocturne crest]

New question. Could a inquisitor take a Free blade knight into their retinue?

[storm jungle]

Yes. As long as they got the facilities to accomodate a knight

Freeblades are essentially mercs so it works

[sharp pollen]

knight mercs??? wtf

[opaque coyote]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Freeblade_Knight

"Little is known about the Freeblade that some of the Astra Militarum call the Obsidian Knight. The first recorded sighting came during the Damocles Gulf Crusade over two hundred years ago. Out of nowhere strode the dark behemoth, covered in fell symbols. He single-handedly halted a Tau river crossing, and appeared in dozens of battles. The Knight disappeared by campaign’s end, remembered only in legend. Two centuries later, when the Tau general Commander Shadowsun launched her invasion of Agrellan, the Obsidian Knight appeared once again. Whether or not it was the same Knight is unknown, but it fought with the same zeal, leaving behind a wake of crushed and blasted Tau. Although the Xenos eventually triumphed on Agrellan, the Obsidian Knight has since been sighted elsewhere, fighting alongside the Imperium."

[sharp pollen]

could have just said "yes"

instead of sending a fucking wall of text

https://tenor.com/view/cat-light-dark-15placek-thug-gif-9847686803987604748

[opaque coyote]

im a 40k fan

we either spout out an entire wall of text

or stare at you

also yes, this technically means that if you piss off an inquistor

there is a non-zero chance that a knight will drop on your head

[sharp pollen]

"piss on an inquisitor"

fyetish lore

[opaque coyote]

tbf that would also be a non-zero chance for you to get slaughtered by a freeblade

lo

[nocturne crest]

Would an inquistors' ship have those facilities to carry the knight?

[sacred ginkgo]

They could

[vagrant fox]

If he's powerful enough

[sacred ginkgo]

Just carve out a bay somewhere

[storm jungle]

stop whining whinger

[sacred ginkgo]

Goodness knows any voidship of size has enough forgotten compartments for that

[storm jungle]

An Inquisitor has anything the plot demands as long as they got the powerbase for it.

A forge to have a Knight is like mid-tier resource management stuff tbh

[nocturne crest]

I guess it also depends on the knight as well.

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[sharp pollen]

"freeblade! i choose you!"

[sacred ginkgo]

It probably would just be an area the size of a single digit craft hanger

[arctic talon]

They could def fit

A knight like

Arming bay

In Brahms ship

[nocturne crest]

I would say I could see an Armiger fitting into a ship, but I don't think they can become freeblades without a higher knight.

[sacred ginkgo]

Think you forget how actualy massive ships are in 40k

[arctic talon]

They can, and they could fit a knight Dominus easily tbh

Armigers as freeblades tend to work in teams

And are a “bundle” so to speak lol

[storm jungle]

^

Knights are also like

really not that big

even the massive ones are like an small Uk apartment block

that compared to a fucking imperial ship is literally nothing

[nocturne crest]

I thought they were forced to follow the lead of a superior knight or something along those lines?

[sacred ginkgo]

Just go find a shuttle hanger somewhere and tear everything out

Perfect size shape and purpose

[sharp pollen]

so the size of an average american, huh

[arctic talon]

In a knight house yes

But on their own no

[storm jungle]

bruh

[arctic talon]

Hell even in some knight houses

[sharp pollen]

[arctic talon]

Armigers can be in decent positions

Not courtly ones

it could be a matter of blood

Lineage, hard times, Ect.

For freeblade armigers they’d likely never agree to be a bondsmen

The only time that could happen if a Freeblade lance is formed

Which are practically just a knight houses worth of free blades

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-fish-wheres-the-lie-gif-27459719

[storm jungle]

🫡

[rose thorn]

Well time to put back on my ena pfp

I’m thinking Taski

There’s 2 frame I wanna use but it’s spoilers uhg

[young pecan]

||In Eisenhorn when all 33 A-Class chaos psykers broke free at the same time, why did they not cause more destruction than they did and why did some of them seem substantially weaker than others||

Like is there some kind of local magic capacity rule or something

[vagrant fox]

Eyyy don't worry about it it's loosey goosey wizard rules

[young pecan]

||Because one individual psyker of those 33 puppeteered hundreds of civilians from within a void shield and far away yet a couple of others did like nothing before they died in the initial outbreak||

Fair enough

40k writers gonna 40k write

[vagrant fox]

It is what it is
There's not really any hard rules about psykers

[crisp heath]

My psyker on rt keeps blowing herself up

That could have had a big part to do w it

[opaque coyote]

I think canonically the spells are just to prevent them from like

going crazy

with it

then getting tired

then actually going crazy

like it's basically more of a ritualistic thing to put as less stress to the psyker

also why self-taught psykers aren't really that uh

appreciated

like if you're a powerful enough psyker, you don't need the spell shit

you can just do whatever

[crisp heath]

I would hate to be a psyker tbh

Scary stuff knowing you could blow yourself up

[opaque coyote]

Being a Psyker sucks

Basically you have voices in your head constantly

And they're real

And they want to possess you, kill your family, and then idk

Contort their dead bodies into a penis statue

[young pecan]

Is veil degradation from RT a canon thing or just their liberty for game mechanics?

That could've been why too if it's canon

[opaque coyote]

Basically

Yes

Psykers can get tired

And when they get tired, they start to slip up

And shit happens

[young pecan]

I mean in an area

Like it gets riskier and more tiresome with more psyker powers used in an area

Even if you yourself didn't use any yet

[vagrant fox]

The barrier between the immaterium and realspace can get real thin

Or as in the eye of terror there isn't a barrier

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Psykers are basically summoning energy from the warp. More warpy shit you do in general, the worse the barrier around an area gets

Y'know unless if you're like

An emperor level Psyker and can just tell the daemons to fuck off

[arctic talon]

Me when veil degradation

[young pecan]

I will headcanon that as why 33 entire alpha class psykers did a whole lot of nothing until they were being hunted individually

[arctic talon]

You can get to weave the veil back together

As a Psyker

It just fucking sucks

[opaque coyote]

I mean tbf Psykers usually only specialize in one area.

Only some can do shit like read minds.

[sacred ginkgo]

Navigators also can right

Or do I just suffer from RT brainrot

[arctic talon]

Yeah they can

[young pecan]

Aren't navigators mostly just weird psykers

[arctic talon]

but they go about it differently

[opaque coyote]

Nope. Mutants

[young pecan]

And astropaths

[arctic talon]

Navigators don’t even count as psykers they don’t cause veil degradation or any real disruption in the warp

[young pecan]

Oh gotcha

[arctic talon]

Astropaths are psykers

[opaque coyote]

I mean those are Psykers so yeah

[crisp heath]

I'm looking for a navigator at the moment in rt

[opaque coyote]

Also using Psyker powers is like using a gun tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

Cassia my beloved

[arctic talon]

But yeah those 33 psykers

[opaque coyote]

Like are you just gonna like

[arctic talon]

Prolly were being very careful

[opaque coyote]

Shoot a gun randomly when you're alone

[arctic talon]

Because if one of them fucked up

Then it becomes a lot worse to deal with

[young pecan]

||Makes sense why Cassia is a little freakish then||

[crisp heath]

The silly guy tried to trick me too

[sacred ginkgo]

Out here passing out fat buffs until someone looks at her wrong so she can drop like 500 unresistable damage

[arctic talon]

||Cassia is also prolly heavily inbred||

Lol

[crisp heath]

Get me to get rid of the loyalists

[arctic talon]

As for why she’s got some weird mutations

[sacred ginkgo]

||Wasn't she a tube baby||

[young pecan]

Lidless stare goes so fucking hard man

[arctic talon]

||partially, she was still using the sperm and eggs from actual navigators||

[young pecan]

Reduce the initiative order count by 20 with one attack

[opaque coyote]

Radiation

Warp bullshit

Getting a 6th finger for no reason is basically ordinary honestly

[arctic talon]

Christmas is coming? Wrong. Lidless stare

[opaque coyote]

"Horus is Coming? Wrong. Webway project broken."

• Magnus

[sacred ginkgo]

Lidless stare would collateral too many people I use Held In My Gaze

[arctic talon]

I’m surprised cassia never does a focusing ritual lol

Then Again

I don’t think Owlcat wanted us to do the funny sacrificial blood ritual

[opaque coyote]

Ngl it actually took me a while to figure out the difference between Psykers and sorcery

[sacred ginkgo]

Doesn't she?

[arctic talon]

Not the normal style

[sacred ginkgo]

That written bit when you leave rykad

[arctic talon]

The one where the navigator melts brains over the course of several hours to divine the warp

[arctic talon]

Nah, it’s different, whatever cassia did killed a lot of menials at once

[opaque coyote]

Is it like

A regular menial's brain

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s one part blood ritual one part weird navigator stuff

[opaque coyote]

That's kind of funny

[arctic talon]

You basically torture a bunch of people to death by tearing their minds apart

So you can better chart a path

[opaque coyote]

"Okay so how do we make a map?"

"PAIN AND SUFFERING."

[arctic talon]

The warp works in mysterious ways

[opaque coyote]

And the mysterious ways usually fucks somebody over anyways

[arctic talon]

More blood sacrifices

[opaque coyote]

I wonder if that's how DAot humanity navigated

[arctic talon]

It isn’t

They had computers for it

[opaque coyote]

Wasn't the warp also calmer

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's probably that mainly

Like it was calmer so computers could actually calculate a course

Although it would be funnier if the Imperium legit just does not know how to use them

"I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING! POURING OIL! SPEAKING IN BINARIC. IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK"

Like every ship actually has a proper warp navigation system

They just don't know how to use it

But it's built in everytime bc

Holy STC

[vagrant fox]

Iirc the void abacus still work but navigators don't want them around

Not that they're common at all

[opaque coyote]

Probably to keep themselves from uh

Getting genocided

Seriously how fucking awkward must it be to be a Navigator for a Black Templar ship

[vagrant fox]

Gotta stay ontop babey

[opaque coyote]

Like you know they probably won't kill you because they need you

But they fucking hate you just for existing

And that random chaplain has been staring at you even while you're navigating

Eating

Going to take a piss

Etc

[vagrant fox]

Kind of funny that one of the first actions the Black Templars do in Broken Crusade is killing the psykers

[opaque coyote]

"FINALLY AN EXCUSE."

...wait did they even have an excuse

Or were the Psykers sanctioned and just

Standing around

Cause I can totally see them also just killing a Psyker for existing despite being sanctioned

"Nah he uh miscasted a spell."

"There are remnants of Bolter shell. He wasn't even doing any magic shit yet."

"Get off my case brother."

[vagrant fox]

They had a reasonable excuse, the ships got caught in a warp storm and the psykers weren't doing so well
But still

[opaque coyote]

They were just waiting for something like this to happen lmao

[vagrant fox]

Probably, yeah

[opaque coyote]

"Alright, I finally became ranked enough to join an Inquistor's retinue. Who am I paired up with."

"Well, firstly Brother Bobimus who is an Ex-Black Templar."

"..."

"Next, Sister Lacey who is an extremely faithful battle sister for the Emperor."

"...can I be transf-"

"And finally, Joe the Blank!"

"...sir can I join ano-"

"Well? Chop chop! These heretics aren't gonna kill themselves."

"...I fucking hate being a Psyker."

[vagrant fox]

No better company for a freak who can explode into a daemon if they edge their brain wrong

[opaque coyote]

Daemons are trying to ruin your brain gooning streak

Never stop edging

[crisp heath]

That's why the black templars on stand by

[vagrant fox]

https://youtu.be/4obTZh1clqQ

What an awful video

I love it

[crisp heath]

Would a templar even work w a psyker?

Has it been done before?

[vagrant fox]

Depends on the particularities of the crusade

[crisp heath]

Yeah true that

[vagrant fox]

They'll do it whether they like it or not in the Deathwatch

Some guy who's muscle for an inquisitor is probably on the more tolerant side too

[green loom]

Willingly or otherwise

[vagrant fox]

Well, not that he'd be tolerant but the job comes first in most likelyhood

[crisp heath]

So looking in more they Still ise astropaths I think it's uncontrolled psykers they fear

Interesting

I mean you'd have to especially if your a ship based fleet

[queen laurel]

everyone fears psyker you would be stupid not too, caution is always adviced if you're near 1

These guys can generate energy strong enough to blast holes through tanks

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah that's for sure i just was curious about why they don't use librarians

There's also something here about a really powerful psyker they fought that screamed badly enough to kill anything psyker they had, I don't know if this is true or not tho

Why Google isn't always good for lore lmao

[arctic talon]

The black Templars might have a weird geneseed defect going on

[vagrant fox]

It's a bit vague. I recall one codex saying that for whatever reason psychic powers just don't manifest in their ranks

[arctic talon]

Where psykers powers are surpressed somehow

The eternal crusader still has librarius serfs

[crisp heath]

This guy's saying they fought a magnus level psyker

[queen laurel]

how do psychic marines pop up anyway

do they just like begin developing powers or something

[arctic talon]

They turn a kid Psyker to a marine

[crisp heath]

That is a really good question bulgur

[queen laurel]

i see

[vagrant fox]

Something about they'd welcome the psykers if the big E would choose to grant them one but they don't appear
I think people got upset with that

[dapper gyro]

Good evening nerds

[vagrant fox]

They recruit kids, some start showing psychic abilities and get trained by the librarius

[crisp heath]

I feel sorry for the kids that don't take to the astartes operations

That can't physically handle it

[vagrant fox]

They simply shouldn't be weak 4head

[dapper gyro]

I believe that the libs marines get some exemption from physical testing simply because a stable psyker is kind of rare.

[crisp heath]

Don't 1 in 20,000 actually survive the surgery

[dapper gyro]

But then you get shit like GK...

[crisp heath]

Something ridiculous like that

[dapper gyro]

It is lowered nowadays.

[crisp heath]

Apparently Gk doesn't purge imperium planets thar have been chaos tainted anymore

[vagrant fox]

iirc they just get more training

[dapper gyro]

As it turns out, such numbers will deplete a planet population in a few hundred years.

You have a few hundred teenagers doing the selection, which usually 1 or 2 might survive, then times 20k, it would already be in the million numbers. Those dead guys will not have kids, so whatever is left is a trash gene pool.

[crisp heath]

I suppose also w the new primaris marines the chances will be better for survival

[vagrant fox]

I think in Dante 48 of 58 get through the surgery

Grey Knights have absurd trials that might be it

[crisp heath]

Don't Gk have to be psykers

[vagrant fox]

Yea

[dapper gyro]

The 1/1000s survival rate was old lore.

For normal SM.

GK has always been more selective.

[crisp heath]

I liked that gk who banished a greater demon prince in lore

[vagrant fox]

Tbf like 600 kids showed up to the BA trials and half of a hundred got through

[tough haven]

The Exorcists trials

[dapper gyro]

Yes, current lore is more reasonable.

Otherwise, 1 chapter would need a population of a few trillions to poop out 1000 marines battle line, which is dumb as hell.

[vagrant fox]

Just empty a hive city once a year and you're good

[young pecan]

I think the only person I let anywhere near the enemies until I Lidless Momented was Abelard

Everyone else gets to have popcorn for a round or two

[sacred ginkgo]

I usually had at least 1-2 people in the way

my current party has like 3 potential FF's

(bladedancer pyro RT and kibbles +Idira because psychic death cone is short)

[chrome owl]

Your cooked

[crisp heath]

I dont even know how

50 mbs per second lmaooooo

It all makes sense now

[rose thorn]

Every single one?

[crisp heath]

Master mandulist i think

Killed himself in the process

Or something

[rose thorn]

like, greyknights specifically remmeber hte true names of demons they hate jsut to banish them on sight

they even write it on thier weaposn and shit

if you want suicidal charges, there sa short story were basically a hwole companies dies basnihing a dude

[winter vessel]

the most grimdark exchange of: A-"did i do something to you?" B-"Yeah pumps shotgun you were born."

[sacred bluff]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

THE CRIME IS YOUR FOUL EXISTENCE!

THE SENTENCE: DEATH!

[crisp heath]

New starship troopers adaptation being made by the director who done district 9 sony / columbia

[lofty mason]

How many loyalist Space Marines are there total? I saw a lot mentioned only around 1 million, which is absurdly low for the size of the Imperium. I expect something like 1 billion to 5 billion.

Having that meager number of Space Marine is spearing way way to thin.

[crisp heath]

It's pretty hard to estimate especially w the primaris addition which basically revived entire chapters

[celest dome]

Enough that there are any number needed for every narrative

[crisp heath]

Each chapter is around 1000 marines im pretty sure but then you have chapters like the black templar that don't follow the codex having wayyy more numbers

[queen laurel]

broad questions like that can't really be answered so unfortunately it's gonna be a classic case of it depends

[scenic bolt]

it's like asking what's the GDP of the imperium

[storm jungle]

As many as the plot demands

some Chapters are literally made and destroyed on the spot for stories lol

[lofty mason]

Actually, it’s kinda stupid of me to ask the that. I should be asking the estimate instead, but that’s probably not much better

[queen laurel]

yeah like this is the imperium you're talking about

The story will go on about how they are losing the war and then suddenly on the planet they apparently have a super weapon that's just been there for like hundreds of years

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/80m-increased-revenue-%26-redeploy-3-fte-gif-3993442070749886928

[queen laurel]

What the **** do you mean you have a mountain obliterator earthshaker gun just sitting on the crust of the planet

[scenic bolt]

the settings not structured to be examined with that fine a glance cause the people writing it arent trying to keep it hyper realistic

[lofty mason]

Talking about this. It’s kinda crazy and funny that the sense of time is nearly non-existent. Like there’s a ship crashed and has been sitting on a planet for 4,000 years

[scenic bolt]

(remembering the time an author gave a precise figure for the population of terra and the added mass of the humans wouldve increased earth's gravity so much the moon would be pulled into the earth in only a few thousands years)

[storm jungle]

Yeah numbers are hard

Terra's population atm is like in the quadrillions

[queen laurel]

entire sectors decapitated and slaughtered less casualties than a terrorist attack in yugoslavia

[scenic bolt]

and thats like too many for realism sake

[storm jungle]

yeah but again authors skim the details because its kinda too much work

when traffic happens or oncoming ships pause in orbit literal millions starve to death lol

[queen laurel]

This is also why they use broad terms in settings when explaining how cool and nice units are

Like this thing can slice through any armour or a brute can power through anything or some stuff

It doesn't offer the deepest of lore but it does offer flexibility when it comes to writing

[scenic bolt]

40ks soft scifi but even hard scifi still can have its issues with stretching reality

[crisp heath]

There's harder scifi settings than wh40k?

[storm jungle]

very much so

[crisp heath]

I'd love to look into it

[queen laurel]

yeah

40K isn't the end all be all of sci-fi

[raven stone]

Gundam, Star Wars are more "hard number" Sci fi compared 40k in scientific numbers treatment

[scenic bolt]

an example of hard scifi would be something like the cold equations

[crisp heath]

Ohhh

I thought you meant more brutal

[raven stone]

You could borderline say 40k is more Science Fantasy.

[scenic bolt]

where a single stowaway aboard a freighter adds just enough weight that the freighter wont be able to hit entry into the world its going to and will kill everyone

[crisp heath]

So like evangelion would be considered hard sci fi?

[queen laurel]

hard sci-fi is scientific accuracy and plausibility is a priority

40k is like one of the best examples of soft sci-fi

every scientific thing you will hear in that setting makes no damn sense

[crisp heath]

Ooh ok that actually makes alot of sense

[scenic bolt]

there's a sliding scale

[raven stone]

Not hard enough, given the Eva's depicted size changes between each episode...

[scenic bolt]

but something like the expanse would be hard(er) sci fi

[crisp heath]

Blade runner?

Just trying to see if I understand what you guys mean

[lofty mason]

If my Physics calculations are correct, the total increase in gravitational force would be around 1.17 × 10^-11 times the current force, which is minuscule. But knowing Warhammer 40k crazy stuff, I don't know all the variables.

I'm using the F = G(m1 * m2) / r^2

[raven stone]

As it turns out Emps was also using his psychic powers to prevent that...

[scenic bolt]

that's on the hard(er) end since the technology used in it is closer to what would be considered realistic

[crisp heath]

Mathematical minded people are really interesting , then there's me who can't even do basic algebra confidently

[lofty mason]

What's the most absurd "the author doesn't have the sense of scale" in the world of 40k? I wanna hear some funny stories

[raven stone]

Basically "Hard sci fi" = very accurate numbers, plausible real life replication of science.

"Soft Sci fi" = science as a borderline macguffin that allows things to happen according to plot needs.

[crisp heath]

Thanks for the explanation I'm slightly smarter now 🤓

(Joking)

[raven stone]

IIRC some of the Rogue Trader TRPG ship stats make no sense for how 40k ships are supposed to be crowded, over populated floating fortresses...

According to the numbers wizards, the bigger the ship class, the more glaring the disparity

[arctic talon]

The number of crew for ship

Is totally fucked in the ttrpg yeah

It’s fine in battlefleet gothic

But it’s weirdly low in the ttrpg

[scenic bolt]

it's been years since ive seen it but the breakdown I saw had factored in the survival needs of the population and IIRC used adjusted NASA space requirements for things like the weight of food and water with rough adjustments for living space

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah less people die at vraks then all of world war 1

GW ironically is much better at numbers now

[queen laurel]

how low we talking

[arctic talon]

Uh

Like

1/4th to 1/2 of the numbers presented in BFG

For like no reason

[scenic bolt]

the settings not gonna break if people dont know the precise energy output of a lasgun bolt in joules

[queen laurel]

wow

[arctic talon]

I’m up way too late

I wrote way too much for the Lancer campaign I’m running

I should have slept like 2 hours ago 💀

[queen laurel]

homie i think you should rest

if you're awake you can think up of something better

because your brain isn't screaming at you to sleep

[shadow plover]

https://bsky.app/profile/trenchcrusade.bsky.social/post/3llhwf77ldk2q

(@trenchcrusade.bsky.social)

Behold, The Lands of the Great Powers who hold back the Foetid Dark.

This highly requested map of the world of Trench Crusade was illustrated by the incomparable Jared Blando!

#trenchcrusade #trenchcrusadelore

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Bluesky · Mar 28, 2025, 11:04 PM

We finally got a Trench Crusade map

[celest dome]

Ok, why the f is Aachen a major City and not Luxembourg or Brussel ?
Luxembourg is an entrenched city for hell's sake

[rocky gale]

Why is Kilkenny the only marked city in Ireland

Ohh it'll be because of the Church

[shadow plover]

Didn't realize just how isolated New Antioch was

[late osprey]

since the ecclesiarchy has a ban on "men under arms", is it reasonable to say that all of the worlds directly owned by it (shrine, cardinal, etc) give PDF duties to sisters of battle? or how else do they defend the planets they own

[shadow plover]

only sealanes to keep them alive

[queen laurel]

Judging from the illustrations it seems that sea monsters are also a giant problem

[rocky gale]

What do the golden rings represent?

[shadow plover]

Not sure, the text could probably tell more but the pictures aren't large enough to read

major strongholds of the church I presume?

[queen laurel]

Bro they are smackdab in the middle of the heretic territory

[rocky gale]

and the one around Britain has the sun and the grail on it too

[queen laurel]

The fact that they can even connect a supply line there to live is insane

[shadow plover]

they've got the king or queen of england in there so I presume they're pretty tight with the church

not sure which it is in this timeline

[celest dome]

Major factions ?
Insulate of Britanorum
Sancta Patria Hispania
Adipiscantur Aquis Tutela Sancti Patris
New Antioch

[dusk patrol]

There's a reason their society is so militant and they're on fairly good terms with the Sultanate.

[shadow plover]

can't read the text on the ring though

[shadow plover]

true true

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[dusk patrol]

But as you mention, they do have a very powerful navy.

They're way beyond all other factions as a baseline too.

In terms of their basic dudes.

Way better training, gear, standard issue stuff.

[celest dome]

Does the Iron Wall circle all around ?

[dusk patrol]

Yes I believe so

Since Hell attacks from all angles

And the IS is in the thick of Hell's territory.

Same as NA

[queen laurel]

They are getting pounded by hell 24/7 new antioch soldiers would probably be the best help you can get if they are willing to help you

[dusk patrol]

They definitely get assistance from mainland Europe a lot, much easier to have someone else be the Bulwark for you.

We know Europe fights in the seas a lot.

[queen laurel]

Hey if someone is willing to become my shield i'm going to pay them a lot

[queen laurel]

Like new Antioch is taking a lot of assaults from hell

You may as well help them to that the rest of the forces of evil don't reach your homes

[dusk patrol]

I know some of you know this but, to be clear. That ship also goes onto land.

[rocky gale]

NGL this would be a kickass Grotesque proxy

[celest dome]

I wonder what that can //

[arctic talon]

Fits great except for some of the armor tbh

[shadow plover]

Death Commandos are also quite small, normal human sized

[rocky gale]

It's simply a Kabalite Grotesque

[shadow plover]

the posture and proportions make it look bigger than it really is

[rocky gale]

Yea but you 3d print them yourself so can just print them bigger

[shadow plover]

yeah of course

just if someone were to order the physical copy so they woudln't be dissapointed in that 😄

[dusk patrol]

A lot of the TC models would work great as proxies

With maybe a few adjustments

NA could easily be Guard

[queen laurel]

What about the brazen bull

That could also work great

[rocky gale]

Hmm

[dusk patrol]

Damn

They got John Wick in TC

[shadow plover]

bababuie

[queen laurel]

I didn't notice this but is that baba yaga's chicken house

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Looks like it

[queen laurel]

So baba yaga is just chilling in the trench crusade universe

Well that's certainly funny

[dusk patrol]

Hellmouth of the North

[shadow plover]

I think it can be either just re-treading known myths and legends we've had or maybe they could be really there given how hell has invaded

[celest dome]

Still think that BF should have kept her, or adapted her house at least

[queen laurel]

You talking about total war something different because the intelligence of a starving ogre

I need some context here man i am stupid

[celest dome]

Warhammer Battle fantasy used to have baba Yaga with the Chicken hut

But they distanced themselves from it

[queen laurel]

I see is mother ostankya based on baba yaga

[dapper gyro]

Because they can't copyright it.

[queen laurel]

Or was she a thing from like fantasy

[celest dome]

Hag Witches are based on her

[storm jungle]

to be fair

[celest dome]

But they lost the Chicken house

[storm jungle]

taking a literal historical myth looks kinda cringe most of the time

[celest dome]

||The divorce was hard||

[storm jungle]

warhammer is better when it steals it and modifies it for the setting

[dapper gyro]

You are cringe, you are historical.

[queen laurel]

Nippon

[misty vector]

Wasnt john wick supposed to be called chernobog instead of baba yaga or something

[dapper gyro]

It is supposed to be an ironic statement.

[rocky gale]

Isn't that a location in DayZ?

[sharp pollen]

can warhammer steal sex?..

[celest dome]

But I don't think it should do the House like it is usually (Picture to show how it's often depicted), but rather theme it on powers that they do have, where they use Earthwork and bones in a manner that doesn't go far from Necromancy to animate Earth legs to move the House, and use magic missiles as a Monster Artilery (Like how the Necrofex Collosus is)

[sharp pollen]

izbushka!

[queen laurel]

Yeah they could be you know different buildings as well

From random huts to somehow an entire stone bunker

[dapper gyro]

Howl's moving castle style

[dusk patrol]

I doubt they'll expand on it much anyways

They have a lot of random stuff they've sprinkled in and haven't expanded on

[sharp pollen]

wait, trench crusade implemented izbushka on chicken legs?

damn, i thought it was all just ww1 and shit

[shadow plover]

well no, it's just a mystical creature drawn on the map

[sharp pollen]

bruh

[shadow plover]

probably not even real

[sharp pollen]

alright then

[dusk patrol]

I mean theres monsters and hell walking about.

Its got some wacky stuff.

[sharp pollen]

yeah ive heard of it

[dapper gyro]

Like in real life. In fantasy land however, it could be different.

[sharp pollen]

isnt it just demons

red skinned

[dusk patrol]

Its a lot.

[dapper gyro]

I always find it funny when they try to put indirect fire cannons on the wall like that.

[dusk patrol]

They got plenty of direct fire ones too, just a way to maintain the perimeter I guess.

[dapper gyro]

It is usually a naval thing, no one else does it.

[storm jungle]

it does look cool tbh

[dapper gyro]

I prefer practical cool.

[dusk patrol]

You wouldn't like TC then

[shadow plover]

tacticool, more like CRINGECOOL

[dusk patrol]

Maybe NA

[dapper gyro]

Nope, I don't.

[dusk patrol]

I like the Buraq Takwin concept a lot.

The big dudes guarding the gates

[crisp heath]

Trench crusade looks really good

I'm pretty sure there's a xbox game the lore crosses over into

Might be thinking of something else

[shadow plover]

Probably something else you're thinking yeah

[crisp heath]

Yeah was way off

I was thinking of generation z

[shadow plover]

oh

[crisp heath]

Wwaaaaay off

[shadow plover]

that too is inspired by art originally, if you mean generation zero

[crisp heath]

Ohh I heard it had something to do w a table top game

Wrong yet again lmao it's based on the cold war

[dusk patrol]

Alamut it being in middle of no man’s land and they still can’t touch it is great too

[raven stone]

It probably isn't going to work, but I wonder what the rest of the world is like

Genuinely curious

[dusk patrol]

There’s some bits we get

I’m sure eventually if it maintains its success we’ll see more

[green loom]

Necrovision is close

[green loom]

We just got some Eastern Europe/Scandinavian lore

So it's only a matter

of time

Plus earlier we got lore on Ethiopia/Germany

[crisp heath]

I love the setting of trench crusade

[green loom]

I think the last few weeks specifically we got stuff on the Kalmar Union and the Northern Hellgate and the Crown of England?

[crisp heath]

Gorgeous art

[rocky gale]

Just hoping in future we get more models like this and less like the other Stigmatic nun

[crisp heath]

The sculpt quality is out of this world

[queen laurel]

yeah it is great

[crisp heath]

Someone posted one of these in the minis Chanel!

[shadow plover]

It's among my favourites of what I've painted so far too

[shadow plover]

That would be me I believe

[queen laurel]

is it getting close to building?

[crisp heath]

Yes I beileve it was you

Very nice work !

[queen laurel]

or do you still have a way to go

[shadow plover]

I'm painting the wheel as we speak

[rocky gale]

Like it's so simple, but it's done so well

It's a great model

[shadow plover]

Many thanks

[rocky gale]

Amazing work as always

[queen laurel]

it also gets the point across that these guys are crazy malee loving battle warriors

[queen laurel]

I can't wait for it to be finished and look like you actually dragged it through a war zone and covered it in real blood

[shadow plover]

The metals are all mostly painted but lots to paint still, might get it glued up next weekend

[vagrant fox]

A cardinal-governor had "bodyguards" instead of soldiers. They bend the rules a lot for the no standing army thing. Nominally the sisters defend their worlds but they also use every loophole they can
I think there's also instances of shrine worlds having a pdf

Trench Crusade looks pogged up lads

[dusk patrol]

It’s cool

[vagrant fox]

The only annoying thing about it is the nerd equivalent of a fratbro go on about how grim and dark it is bro

[dusk patrol]

They’ve done a good job making it a little less

Like it’s ridiculous but there’s still

Some stuff that’s nice

Factions are fairly evenly matched for one

There’s stalemates for a reason

Everyone gets cool stuff

[crisp heath]

I heard it's alot easier on the wallet too

[queen laurel]

yeah it's a warband game

[crisp heath]

I'd still assume it's priced around hordes / warmachine

[queen laurel]

where you make a small group and play

[crisp heath]

Favorite games

Malifaux Is PEAK

[queen laurel]

trench crusade is a skirmish game yeah

so the scale is very much smaller

[queen laurel]

compared to like 40K or AOS where you command like high point armies in the in the table top

[forest orbit]

Hm. Booty.

[crisp heath]

Malifaux has some really nice art in that style

[rose thorn]

Hi malifaux

I heard it’s fun but I think the player base is mostly in the north

[crisp heath]

It's very fun , there's no dice

You use a deck of cards

[rose thorn]

T

Oooooo

I’ve literally never seen it stocked anywhere except online sadly

[crisp heath]

Yeah it's pretty niche

Games only take about half a hour or so too

[dapper gyro]

I love steampunk, dieselpunk, industrial or other Napoleonic and Victorian setting, but most of them are kind of repetitive, not freshed out enough.

[crisp heath]

I had 15mm napoleonics

French and Austrians

Old metal pewter models

I also like steampunk

[dapper gyro]

Back in the day there are the 54mm/1:32 models with great detail. Too bad not many tabletop games use that scale, too expensive to make an army, while the military modelling went to 1:35 (52mm ish scale).

[crisp heath]

Iv seen these !

There gorgeous, peices of art

[dapper gyro]

I print all of my models in 1:32.

[crisp heath]

It's the uniforms for me

[dapper gyro]

Yes, back in those days, it was the smallest scale that they can make realistic human proportion. They really stood out.

[crisp heath]

Whole Tables full of minis , games taking 6 hours to finish

Historical is so cool

[queen laurel]

have you Heard about iron harvest

[crisp heath]

THIS IS WHAT THAT GAME WHERE u HUNT THE GIANT ROBOT IS BASED ON OR PART OF

[queen laurel]

it's a mech game

set in the 1920s

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-harvest-gif-24481242

[dapper gyro]

Nowadays, 1:32 are mostly for collectible and showcase.

[crisp heath]

Isn't this generation zero?

[queen laurel]

no

[celest dome]

Based on the Table top game "Scythe"

[crisp heath]

Ah dam

[queen laurel]

not just based they are in the same universe

[crisp heath]

There's some really nice ww2 1:32 models out at the moment

I think the rules might be for 28mm

[celest dome]

Isn't what based on mean?

[queen laurel]

i thought you mean like based on that's just like taking inpiration

[dapper gyro]

WW2 models are usually 1:35 now. 1:32 is mostly aircraft models.

Warhammer used to be 25mm (1 in), then 28mm, and now 32mm. Scale creep is real.

https://i.imgur.com/ISr5pVu.jpg

Always love this War Thunder thing. I can't believe that it is already 10 years.

[queen laurel]

This would really fit in iron harvest funnily enough

Maybe in Saxony

[tough haven]

Hey guys, quick rogue trader question for yall

So Going into ||Commorragh|| who should I leave behind in order to take yrliet and jae with me (Necessary for certain path progression) I currently have pasqual, heinrix, idira, argenta, and kibellah, I would prefer to keep kibellah since I havent seen her ||Commorragh|| stuff, nor have I seen argentas, or heinrix or idira's but I'm told they are the same, what do you guys think, who's are the most interesting without spoilers

[queen laurel]

For the biggest story beat

bring Argenta, Idira and abelard

that's all i'm gonna tell you

[storm jungle]

^

Basically also make sure they can take a punch/deal good damage.

you obviously will escape it at some point so gotta be prepared with those stats

And as Bulg said Argenta is probably THE biggest must for the story beats.

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

I didn't see any of this

[shadow plover]

SAME

[queen laurel]

get Nagan'd Bozo

[queen laurel]

Yeah you are basically blinding yourself with blowtorch if you don't bring her along

[tough haven]

Unfortunately I have used abelard every run thus far, and am trying not to use him so far

[queen laurel]

well it's important for the story so

[tough haven]

Heinrix is my tank so I feel like i have to bring him

[queen laurel]

OK fine you can make a compromise

just make sure that you bring argenta and idira

[tough haven]

I'll probably drop pasqual due to just seeing his stuff already

[queen laurel]

But you won't get the full scope of the event

[tough haven]

but hes fun so I'll miss that

[tough haven]

I have toybox enabled so I can see dialogue from people who arent present

so I still should

[queen laurel]

welp have fun then

[tough haven]

I just cant get progression on those characters for endings

if they arent in the party

[tough haven]

The issue now is that I'll have to drop one more person to bring jae and yrliet

I dont want to bring yrliet but I have to to prog certain flags

[queen laurel]

Again the most important in this part is abelard idira and Argenta

[tough haven]

so it looks like I'll have to drop heinrix then

[queen laurel]

so that part you just have to choose

[tough haven]

idira is necessary, so is argenta

and kibellah can be a serviceable dodge tank I suppose

just cant force aggro which is rough

[spare osprey]

Ooo we talkin rogue trader

I just finished up a heretic run

That was fuckin annoying

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's uh a bit uh undercooked

[spare osprey]

Tiny bit

[tough haven]

Yeah I dont wanna do a heretic run because of that

[spare osprey]

But hey I killed yrielt and argenta fine enough

[tough haven]

also seems kinda boring

Pure dogmatic run also seems boring

but I think I've run out of possible configurations of alignment at this stage

[spare osprey]

I wanna do like a fat dogmatic run one day, just a really fat dude

[tough haven]

besides maybe no alignment

[late osprey]

how do ecclesiarchy worlds that don't have sisters of battle with them defend themselves? there's a ban on having dudes with guns or whatever

or do all ecclesiarchy worlds have at least some sisters of battle protection?

[green loom]

It's a soft ban

Fraternis Militia, Crusader Houses and Shrine Guard are all things they'd have

[late osprey]

what are shrine guard?

[green loom]

Guard but shrines

[late osprey]

what are they actually?

[summer mural]

oh dechala is coming to wh3

and cathays old world roster seems kinda small?? is that the whole roster

[queen laurel]

yes

[summer mural]

hopefully she comes with the masque and sea lord aislinn

[vagrant fox]

They employ every loophole, armies of "bodyguards" is an example

[celest dome]

They have Zealot Militias

[green loom]

Shrine guard are a darktide thing iirc but by their design and them being a zealot/vet thing I'm assuming they're "totally not guard" for shrine worlds

[celest dome]

And often have IG regiment assigned to them (Maccabian are often used like that iirc)

[soft thunder]

there's lots of civilians militias of bloodthirsty zealous rabble roving around, forming and unforming for various reasons. Sometimes there's call to arms for various crusade or wars etc. rando priests w/ clout might call them or official ecclisiarchy members

The Moebian Domain's Wardenchain and their shrineguard are kind of a good example.

The Wardens span the domain w/ 1 member at every single church in the domain, often times w/ an astropath or psyker. That's because they form a security network (a chain if you will) of churches, who make a call to arms for their local flock to go to war. Their Shrineguards are small groups of elite fighters and give a small amount of structure and staying power to these rabid peasant hordes.

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Wardenchain

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Shrine_of_Saint_Messelina_in_Purity

[near wasp]

How do knights get to and from planets, are they orbital dropped or brought in by lander's?

[spare osprey]

yeah landers

[near wasp]

Drop keeps deploy 12 knights at once jfc

[near wasp]

Welp I've started writing the tale of my knight Inquisitor.

[rose thorn]

Any skaven heads in chat

I need an opinion

On what to get with skaventide

[celest dome]

Lore, tabletop? AoS, BF ?

[summer mural]

skaven?

the greatest race of all time?

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-cheiften-skaven-cheiften-guitar-rat-gif-24492026

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be honest i can't help you you would that hold me even if i'm on avid rat bone chewer

[rose thorn]

Tabletop

I just bought skaventide

[queen laurel]

What clan are you running

[rose thorn]

Not sure

[arctic talon]

hi, any clan in particular

[tough haven]

Was planning on adding an optional, difficult daemon encounter to my campaign in order to have something if my players decide to keep investigating why the hab block they are in appears “haunted” with supernatural happenings abound. How would you recommend I do that? I want it to be punishing but not impossible, as I’ve included multiple in universe warnings that this is not a good idea to delve into at their current tier/rank, there are 4 rank 1 players, one of which is a unsanctioned psyker, who is the main person able to perceive a lot of what’s happening

Should a daemon just like pop out? Or should there be like something the players do to make it manifest

[arctic talon]

I think i the party fucks with whatever is "haunted" it'll manifest

because tasty tasty psyker soul

[tough haven]

Realistically they’re just passing through a haunted area, it’s the site of a mass killing since the enforcers thought there were signs of a chaos cult in the hab, and due to that, there’s a lot of psychic residue that has thinned the veil, the souls of those that died are stuck there to lament because a daemon is keeping them there to play with them

[rose thorn]

not sure part 2

[tough haven]

Due to the strange happenings around there, most people avoid it, which makes it the perfect place for a gang to stash loot that the party is looking for. Consequently, that probably leaves the daemon quite “hungry” with no living souls to torment

I’m not even sure what kind of daemon I want it to be

Tzeench?

Maybe slaneesh?

Nurgle might fit, but khorne feels too overt

[arctic talon]

Do you like the look of any of the skaven minis

The skaventide box set honestly works with anything

[queen laurel]

From my it talks with you you are either picking the monster makers moulder or skryre being the tech rats

[rose thorn]

i like eshin astheically the most but

[dusk patrol]

Just do Pestilens

[queen laurel]

They are quite outdated yeah

[dusk patrol]

Defy expectations

[rose thorn]

i liek the stormvermine the most

[dusk patrol]

Then do Moulder

[queen laurel]

So you want to go verminus?

You know the guys that spam clan rats and the storm vermin

[dusk patrol]

Wait not Moulder the

[rose thorn]

idk i can go all og them

[queen laurel]

That is true

[dusk patrol]

Mors

[queen laurel]

They are called verminus in aos

[dusk patrol]

Gay

[queen laurel]

You are

Anyway

Yeah just like

[dusk patrol]

[queen laurel]

Get your bearings first

[dusk patrol]

Read the rules you like if you’re gonna play

[queen laurel]

The skaven are like very wide when it comes to choices

[rose thorn]

meta wise all of them are bad unless you bring 6 ratling gunners

[summer mural]

cain murdered a daemon prince of slaanesh?

what an absolute chad

[queen laurel]

Yeah their position is

Not the best right now

[rose thorn]

you mean khaine?

[queen laurel]

Cain

He's talking about the commissar

[summer mural]

no cain

yes

[queen laurel]

Hero of the imperium cain

[summer mural]

khaine just gets murdered as the elven god of murder

[rose thorn]

yes lmao love aos lore

[summer mural]

oh its not aos

[dusk patrol]

Cain does some wacky stuff

[queen laurel]

40k mags hold on

This guy mags this guy

[rose thorn]

Yeah I know

[queen laurel]

Commissar ciaphias cain

[summer mural]

he dropped from the sky like an odst and murdered a daemon prince of slaanesh

thats absolutely epic

[queen laurel]

He has done some wild stuff yeah

He's very lucky and very skilled

[summer mural]

on the topic of khaine, does the exarch used to awaken the avatar in any way control it

or is it actually being controlled by khaine

[storm jungle]

its controlled by the Young King aka the exarch yes

its why its called an "avatar"

[summer mural]

well

they need some better combat training

[arctic talon]

Honestly you can genunely buy

[summer mural]

and thats all im about to say on that topic

[arctic talon]

whatever the fuck you want for sakven

[queen laurel]

Yeah honestly

[arctic talon]

it all goes well with skaventide imo

[queen laurel]

Unless you want to go thematic buy what the hell you want

They are literally a mishmash horde most of the time

[queen laurel]

Is that the reason why it can still choke or what

[storm jungle]

no its called bad writing

just as how anyone near the Avatar should burst into flames but doesnt

[queen laurel]

I was about to say

[summer mural]

no thats because the eldar are inherently kinky

[queen laurel]

I swear to god

[summer mural]

[queen laurel]

Drifty i swear to god i'm going to slam you to the wall so hard your bones are going to turn into powder

[summer mural]

this is the second time youve used that same threat

gotta be more creative

[arctic talon]

I hope you get deathspinnered

[queen laurel]

All right fine you only get nutrients every time you read a steam forum bad idea

[summer mural]

[queen laurel]

And it's your only form of entertainment

Nothing else in a dark room

Locked from the rest of the world

[summer mural]

who choked one?

fulgrim?

thats the one I remember

I do remember archaon choking a bloodthirster

or something

[storm jungle]

I mean a bloodthirster is a living daemon with meat

the avatar of khaine is fucking magma/rocks

[summer mural]

true true

[queen laurel]

Yeah since they manifest into the material realm they are subject to its laws

[summer mural]

archaon did choke it with its own whip too iirc

[queen laurel]

The avatar is literally a f****** statue

[queen laurel]

Yeah you probably won't be able to choke a demon unless you have a magical glove of choking

[summer mural]

cathay minis are kinda great too, although I feel roster is kinda small

details on the skylantern are awesome

[queen laurel]

They just got revealed chill

Give them time

[summer mural]

oh its not the full roster?

[dusk patrol]

Also primarchs are bullshit, they can make things happen which shouldn’t be able to

[queen laurel]

Well yeah they are going to add to it as the game goes on but it's still not out

Saying that a roster is too small on reveal is like a bit to big of expectation

[storm jungle]

As said above bad writing.

[dusk patrol]

Causing things to feel fear or hesitate which have had the ability surgically removed for example is one we see, among others.

They just not normally cognizant of their ability

[storm jungle]

this is like one of the worst excuses

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

Why are you acting like yours is any better

"oh primarchs can just conveniently ork-logic un-logicable things"

like, what

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-ooo-cat-shocked-funny-gif-14366308

[dusk patrol]

I mean yes if they’re literally all super powerful warp beings lol

Who consistently do this

[storm jungle]

"consistently"

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[storm jungle]

They dont though.

[dusk patrol]

Yes they do

[storm jungle]

No lol

like

ive seen some bad defenses of this scene

but this legit takes top spot

[dusk patrol]

That’s how Khan moves so fast, that’s how Sanguinius flies

It’s how Corax disappears

Alpharius/Omegon blend

[storm jungle]

Because they are also superhuman ubermensch

[dusk patrol]

And so on

[storm jungle]

so, you know

[summer mural]

i read that as blending infantry till it occured to me you mean they blend in

[storm jungle]

He stands perfectly still as to be invisible

[dusk patrol]

They’re all extremely power warp beings who have varying degrees of control of their abilities, most didn’t develop them so they didn’t have a cognizant idea of their limits

[storm jungle]

And this allows Fulgrim to just ignore reality to choke a statue made of rocks.

Yeah right

[dusk patrol]

Why wouldn’t it?

[storm jungle]

Because its stupid?

[near wasp]

Fulgrims trait is enhanced regen

[storm jungle]

and now you are gonna go with "all of 40k is stupid"

[dapper gyro]

Primarchs do have warp magic within them. Their souls are godlike souls after all.

[dusk patrol]

I’ll just do what you do

Too bad, it happened and it’s canon

It’s really not complicated

[storm jungle]

I mean I can say this about lore you dislike too

Doesnt stop it from being canon

[dusk patrol]

Fulgrim choking out the avatar isn’t even like

[storm jungle]

[dapper gyro]

I mean, it bolds down to rule of cool all over again.

[dusk patrol]

Top five wildest things primarchs do

[storm jungle]

You were whining here months ago about "wahhhh custodians shouldnt just slaughter marines"

and i said the exact same thing which you rebuked

[dusk patrol]

And yet you didn’t care then

[sharp pollen]

😭 arguing over god-like creatures doing god-like things wrong

[dusk patrol]

Hmmm

Curious

[storm jungle]

I mean I didnt because it makes sense, crazy right

The custodian told them to surrender

They didnt