40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats a big misconception

[vagrant fox]

But then they had that cure all panacea

[raven stone]

Which is why Xenos revenge during Age of Strife was a thing.

[storm jungle]

thats just one random mcguffin 1 group probably made

[vagrant fox]

Whoever had it, duh

[storm jungle]

guh

[raven stone]

TBF STC being STC, if one group conceived of it, others can make it back then.

….but STC being used to design regional power specific arsenals would explain the scattered nature of the STC templates, yes.

[storm jungle]

yeah remember STCs exist to make mcguffins for modern 40k

"wow a convenient terraforming stc, awesome!"

[vagrant fox]

I like that at least some seemed to have gotten along okay with the Eldar, what with the flat disc meeting place Cawl contemplates on

[arctic talon]

Mcguffin machine

My beloved

[vagrant fox]

Dunno why I like it

[storm jungle]

because diplomacy is neat

Eldar were also about as dispersed as humans too so some would definitely get along.

[arctic talon]

Diplomacy is cool

And here’s why

(You can murder anyone who refuses together)

[storm jungle]

Genefather also has the planet it takes place on have Cawl say it used to be a diplomatic location for humans/eldar to convene in

and hes very giddy about it which is cute

[vagrant fox]

That silly webway city being right near Terra could imply some more connections, but who knows

[arctic talon]

History™️

[storm jungle]

tbh that is just convenience

[arctic talon]

Tbh the golden throne is evidence enough

Daot humanity

And the eldar

Worked together

[storm jungle]

god the throne's lore is such a mess

[arctic talon]

Even before the emperor started fucking with the thing

[storm jungle]

its necron tech, eldar tech, eldritch tech, human tech, pick a fucking side

[dapper gyro]

Big E didn't even invent Custodes or SM. There were other soldiers like that. Big E copied them and built them for thousands of years to get the numbers before releasing them.

[storm jungle]

to be fair

the idea of genetic super soldiers is like

[arctic talon]

Eldar, old ones, random aliens and human tech seems to be the going thing

[storm jungle]

not exactly an original idea

so yeah

[arctic talon]

Also yeah

There were a lot of genetic super soldiers

Lol

[storm jungle]

he probably took some notes from his pal adolf

[cobalt heath]

Wow you guys are really talking about this stuff and getting into it. 40k lore is awesome.

[storm jungle]

IMEAN

yes 40k lore is really cool

[dapper gyro]

Technobarbarian can solo custodes during the unification, if not for the 10k custodes, I don't think they can win.

[vagrant fox]

Tbf I dug out pottery shards from a stone age house once and got giddy thinking that the life the old folk had
Entirely reason and understandable

[storm jungle]

Yeah nah i agree lol

[arctic talon]

The name techno barbarians

Is so

[storm jungle]

90's

[arctic talon]

Degrading on purpose lol

When a lot of them

Absolutely

Were more advanced lol

[storm jungle]

yeah tho its a general term

some techbarbs are like literal homeless people in steel armor

[arctic talon]

Oh also whatever the fuck the ethnocracy was. Was probably the most racist thing in existence

Except we never see it

[storm jungle]

while others are like nation ending superpowers

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

That name gives me horrendous vibes

[storm jungle]

also speaking of

was reading the golden throne page on lexi

[arctic talon]

Right

[storm jungle]

The Golden Throne was thought to be an ancient relic dating back to the Dark Age of Technology which the Emperor discovered in sunken ruins within Asia's deserts,[5] although even the Emperor Himself was unsure whether the idea was His,

he forgor....

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

God i hate how the novels like

went with the idea of the throne being suspended above the webway portal gate at first

stupid as shit lmao

[raven stone]

Emps being flawed, I put it down to.

Lol

[storm jungle]

its a reference to the uhhh

first ever HH card artworks

it looks about as silly there lol

hes there above the panel lmaooo

someone help him

[arctic talon]

Thank fuck they changed that

Lol

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

Nothin like chillin in a hammock with a monster

It gives me that feel

I sometimes think about the ethnarcy having armour just about impervious to plasma guns in the unification wars 🤔

[arctic talon]

Wait

They have lore

Wtf?

[vagrant fox]

Or meltaguns

[arctic talon]

I thought they were just randomly mentioned techno barbarian group

[vagrant fox]

There's a bit about the Salamanders assault on the tempest galleries

I just always forget about it

[dapper gyro]

Many of them have power field armour.

[arctic talon]

I wish the savlar drip in Darktide looked better

It’s not bad

But I wish the zealot one didn’t have all those things strapped to the front

[dapper gyro]

DT zealot loves chains for some reason...

[storm jungle]

chainsaw cool

simple as

[vagrant fox]

Buff eviscerator

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but have Kriegers ever retrated in a cowardice before?

[vagrant fox]

Absolutely, couple of times on Vraks

Shooting commissar while at it

[dapper gyro]

Chain and chainsaw are not the same thing...

[storm jungle]

they are

its a literal chainsaw inspired weapon

[dapper gyro]

Huh? One of us is lost here.

[vagrant fox]

Nah the chains on your clothes are just chainsaws now

[arctic talon]

Here’s an excerpt from imperial armor

[nocturne crest]

Huh.

Never thought kriegs could end up in a penal legion.

[arctic talon]

Anyone can

If they fuck up hard enough lol

[vagrant fox]

When you thought it couldn't get any worse the Imperium will make sure it can be

[arctic talon]

but yeah the uh

the 158th regiment is the original poster child scheme

for Krieg btw LOL

[nocturne crest]

True. I just bought into the meme kriegers were always will to die for the emperor.

[storm jungle]

They are tenacious but still human

they arent immune to trauma either

[vagrant fox]

It's very pervasive

[storm jungle]

Never believe the memes in any capacity.

[arctic talon]

behold the 158th regiment

before they uh

met their ignoble end

[nocturne crest]

Are they still human if they're clones?

[storm jungle]

they arent clones

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

they are mass-produced humans

People basically drop a bit of their genetic material into vitae-wombs and kids that are gonna be guardsmen pop up with mixed features etc

even if they were clones they'd still have emotions as long as they have a sentient brain too so like no difference still

[nocturne crest]

Ah

[vagrant fox]

I forget if it's old lore or not but aren't clones unlucky

[storm jungle]

Thats another unrelated thing

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Afriel_Strain

people also hate them for being albinos

[outer wave]

I almost read that as something else ngl

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

[vagrant fox]

Oh yeah liber xenologis

[storm jungle]

they are actually older than that

Liber just gives them a shoutout

[vagrant fox]

I just saw it in the sources and remembered it was a thing at all

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

Absolute 100% truth about all things

I recall it being associated with ears being an erogenous for eldar and then elves in general later down the line

Absolutely weird set of events

[dapper gyro]

There are Kriegs who shoot themselves before they can't bear the horror of war anymore.

So while they are memed to be the hardcore death troopers, they are not that much different from the rest.

[tulip sand]

Imagine don quixote as a psyker

[dapper gyro]

The only thing that the Ad mech made that doesn't non bio components...

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if Kriegers would get to keep their gear if they were sent to a penal legion

[near wasp]

cawl is such a treat

[storm jungle]

you keep nothing when you get sent to a penal legion

you are given rags, a bomb collar and a lasgun

[near wasp]

probably an autogun

since they are nornally considered to be trash weapons even by imperium stardards

[nocturne crest]

True

I mean, I think only Gangers and cultists are the most common users of Autoguns.

[storm jungle]

anyone who gets his hand on an autogun is a common user of the autogun

its not like its some archaic weapon, tons of places use it

[arctic talon]

yeah

the guard also uses it tbh

poorer regiments

often

[outer wave]

Are autoguns that much worse than lasguns?

I can only see the one benefit of a lasgun is it never jams

[arctic talon]

for dealing with flak armor and tougher armor

yeah

for ease of use yeah

for overall damage done per shot also yeah

the upside to autoguns is the ability to use exotic ammo and for intimidation

while lasguns surpass them in pretty much every other situation

[outer wave]

I see I see

[arctic talon]

An autogun with normal rounds is pretty helpless against carapace and power armor

it can get lucky with carapace

but its totally fucked with power

a las gun can deal with carapace and can get lucky with power armor

but Autoguns can use things like manstopper rounds, amputator shells, ect.

[outer wave]

Autoguns dont have an ammo type that punctures power armor?

[arctic talon]

They do, but its not standard and its expensive

man-stopper rounds can deal with power armor

I'm asssuming when you say autogun

you mean like

a rifle/carbine

for larger autoweapons then yeah they can pierce power armor

but something like an autorifle's standard caliber isn't going to do well into power armor

[outer wave]

Right that makes sense

What about stubbers? Any differences between them and autoguns? Are they more preferred or less preferred?

[tough haven]

Stubbers are like stupidly high caliber I think

And more valuable

[nocturne crest]

Even space marines use them on vehicles.

[nocturne crest]

Now that I think about it, so do the guard and admech.

[opaque coyote]

Okay so basically

The difference between Stubbers and Autoguns is that

Autoguns are caseless

Stubbers aren't

Both refer to projectile weapons though

And despite it not fitting with the lore technically

They're kinda interchangable

[vagrant fox]

Funny how some heavy stubbers look like 50 cal brownings, iconic design

[outer wave]

Their bullets dont have cases? Dont we see them with the autoguns in Darktide?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Again I doubt GW cares anymore.

It's a "Lasguns are yellow lasers"

[outer wave]

Ah fair fair

[winter vessel]

the Ma Deuce has been a staple of the power behind each round of heavy machine guns since 1933. Its why i like the Quadmount so much

[dapper gyro]

Nah, the name are kind of interchangeable.

Some code book list them stubber and auto gun to use the same ammo

[opaque coyote]

Again I doubt both GW and the actual Imperium cares anymore

[arctic talon]

This is only in FFG lore

[nocturne crest]

Honestly, I see autoguns are more as being local quality compared to stubbers being higher mass production quality.

[arctic talon]

Lore that predates FFG had casing

This is not on GW necessarily

This is FFG changing lore

[opaque coyote]

Shoot me

Now

[arctic talon]

So that there’s more of a difference

[opaque coyote]

Okay so Stubber and Autoguns are interchangable then

[arctic talon]

Generally speaking autoguns are fancier weapons

Compared to stubbers

[nocturne crest]

I thought they were cheaper?

[arctic talon]

Stubbers are usually more primitive

[dapper gyro]

https://imgur.com/imperial-autoguns-l2TGBMF
https://imgur.com/shotgun-heavy-stubber-stub-gun-Q0KLMOI

[opaque coyote]

I am going to shoot myself with a stubb- auto-

Gah!

[winter vessel]

Ah man, i've always loved the Agripinaa design of the autogun

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Stubbers tend to have fat bullets and are cruder

Is that better

[winter vessel]

fat bullets for fat fucks

[arctic talon]

Unless they’re mechanicus specific stubbers

Then they’re like

[opaque coyote]

So basically in the end.

Stubbers are higher caliber weapons.

Autoguns are regular.

[arctic talon]

Weirdly high tech

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty much

[dapper gyro]

So yeah, that pattern of autogun uses cased ammunition...

[arctic talon]

It’s FFG’s fault

It’s literally their fault

They could have just said the pattern of autoguns in their sector

Don’t have casings

But they said ALL autoguns

[opaque coyote]

When an official company spreads misinformation

[arctic talon]

Tbf

FFG’s quality control

Was not the best

[dapper gyro]

Pretty much Agripinaa is like a FN FAL (L1A1 in the British army), shooting 7.62x51 like their machinegun.

[arctic talon]

I love them still but

god

[nocturne crest]

And the lexicon says all autoguns are caseless, like the German magic space rifle.

[arctic talon]

yeah well

its wrong on that

We have more evidence of autoguns having casings

then autoguns not

The GSC autoguns have casings in official art

[dapper gyro]

There are many instant of autogun using cased ammo.

[arctic talon]

The Siege of Vraks lore had cased ammo

the anphelion project had cased ammo

the fall of cadia had cased ammo

[opaque coyote]

Overall another question.

Can a heavy Stubber pierce power armor?

Like generally

Or do they need special AP rounds

[dapper gyro]

Depending on the size of the "heavy subber".

[queen laurel]

yes, if it's a larger caliber and if you aim it at a weakpot

[opaque coyote]

Similar to Darktide's

Let's say the twin linked

[arctic talon]

the darktide heavy stubber can probably pierce power armor. Not super well mind you but it can def kill a marine or SoB

[dapper gyro]

Like the one in the pick I show above, it uses "medium round", sharing with some autogun pattern. It will not work vs SM armour.

But it might cripple SoB armour.

[arctic talon]

It seems to use a pretty big bullet

oh wait

the twin linked one

I'm not sure how big that ones bullet is

[opaque coyote]

I mean that one also seems to be fine

[arctic talon]

but the untwinlinked heavy stubber in Darktide is using some massive fuck off round

[opaque coyote]

Lo

[dapper gyro]

They uses the same ammo, it is just for gameplay purpose.

[arctic talon]

oh bruh

[dapper gyro]

Those orgryn ones are more like 12.7 to 14.5mm.

[arctic talon]

I guess I never looked closely at the ammo

for the twinlinked one

[dapper gyro]

While the human portable ones are smaller.

If anything though, if the baneblade gatling from the Secret level made SM taking shelter, then the orgryn one could damage SM.

[late osprey]

i dont know if i think there really is a difference between autogun and "automatic stubber" in any reasonable degree in lore whatsoever

[queen laurel]

it's capable of definitely piercing power armor, but ya need to aim it at a weakpoint

[late osprey]

even bullet calibre, the M40 autogun (arguably THE archetypal autogun) basically fully-autos slugs

this is like John Autogun

[dapper gyro]

In the old days irl, slug just means a single projectile.

[late osprey]

maybe, but it does say specifically "it fires large calibre solid slugs"

it is ALSO a heavier autogun compared to others, but still one of the most common ones we see

[arctic talon]

tbh the multi las in Astartes™️ should have done some more damage

[dapper gyro]

"large calibre" is very vague.

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dapper gyro]

Like 12.7mm handgun is not going to do the same damage as 12.7mm machinegun.

[late osprey]

yes but in the context of 40k i dont think they're talking about 5.56

furthermore in the context of 40k autoguns are considered roughly peers to lasguns in terms of firepower, as far as everything i've seen goes

and since we see what a lasgun can do, we can probably also surmise that common autoguns are on the bigger side period

[dapper gyro]

But then you have to define the power of the lasgun, which also varies like crazy.

[opaque coyote]

The cultists bought the multi las from temu

[late osprey]

not really, it's blowing off arms and such

[opaque coyote]

[dapper gyro]

Especially in the lore, they have power level switch...

[opaque coyote]

In-lore it literally has variable power setting

But at minimum it usually can cut off limbs

With a single blast

[dapper gyro]

Then bad news for you, we can already do that since ww1 with 7.62ish machineguns...

[opaque coyote]

Like with Darktide, using the Lasgun turns regular cultists into swiss cheese

And I find that to be accurate to its minimum power setting

[dapper gyro]

Aircraft uses the AP-I ammo that can blow limbs off...

[late osprey]

i didnt know they were using machineguns as standard infantry small arms

[opaque coyote]

Tbf we could. It's just not necessary

[late osprey]

we could do lots of things

[dapper gyro]

Not machinegun, but the ammo from them, which can be used with standard rifles.

[late osprey]

the oldest guns were blowing people into chunks easily

[opaque coyote]

But in 40k it's literally the bare minimum

[late osprey]

yes

thats my point

in 40k, it seems evident that guns are significantly more destructive than they would be in the modern era

at least the sorts we see on the battlefield

[dapper gyro]

It used to be the minimum for us, until they released that it is overkill to kill other humans...

[opaque coyote]

I think the reason why Lasguns are there is mainly because

They're a logistic haven.

You can literally charge your magazines by putting it over a fire.

[late osprey]

they're much better for campaigning and they're said to actually be more accurate and reliable

[dapper gyro]

There is a reason that ammunition during WW1/WW2 are so much more powerful that what we uses now, in term of individual weapons.

[late osprey]

im sure theres lots of reasons, but doesnt change things

[opaque coyote]

Also although they have recoil it's

Probably much less than using an actual autogun

[tough haven]

Ok cause I was gonna say "I thought the mechanicus used stubbers"

[late osprey]

the main one i can imagine is that personal protection is significantly better in 40k than it has ever been irl

[dapper gyro]

Im just saying, in term of individual, 40K is not that more crazy than what we used to have.

[opaque coyote]

I mean Bolters are but tbf you need actual power armor

To use them without dislocating your shoulder

[dapper gyro]

Nah, you can use bolter without armour.

[late osprey]

i wasnt saying that

i was saying that there doesn't seem to be any difference between automatic stubbers and autoguns

[dapper gyro]

@storm jungle Educate this person.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah IK

But even in Darktide trying to fire it on auto basically feels kinda uncontrollable

Also the version we use are specifically made for humans. Same for the Sisters

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus stubbers are really fucked up lol

they probably shouldn't be called stubbers

[dapper gyro]

There isn't... it is just like saying something a gun (in non English language) and a rifle...

[arctic talon]

but uh this thing is technically a stubber

[opaque coyote]

I am going to be real with you

[arctic talon]

It can puncture leman russes and go out the other end

[opaque coyote]

I have no idea what the fuck that would even count as

[arctic talon]

Its a stubber

just with extremely powerful bullets

its also not bolt action

its a semi automatic

but it kicks very hard

[dapper gyro]

And now, suddenly it is caseless...

[late osprey]

behold: a stubber

[arctic talon]

well those are railguns,

[dapper gyro]

Rail stubber....

[arctic talon]

but yeah galvanic rifles are also stubbers technically, the radium carbine could prolly count as an autogun

[dapper gyro]

Also, railgun doesn't have casing, so is it "autogun"...

[arctic talon]

[late osprey]

someday we'll get the automatic railguns that tau rightfully deserve

[arctic talon]

Cyclic ion blaster, meet cyclic railgun cannon

[dapper gyro]

Plasma gun doesn't have casing, just saying...

We should call it plasma stubber.

[arctic talon]

that is a plasma weapon

[late osprey]

cyclic ion does NOT sound like a projectile

[arctic talon]

Cyclic ion blaster isn't a projectile weapon

its an energy weapon

[opaque coyote]

This looks like it's steampunk, futuristic, and ancient at the same time and it's making my mind hurt

[late osprey]

so im gonna have to score it 0/10 in the dakka meter

[arctic talon]

tbf, have you see mechanicus/mechanicum guns

they look funky

the mauler bolter is an oversized maxim

[queen laurel]

This got me thinking but what's the most powerful ballistic weapon in the imperial arsenal

[late osprey]

although the burst cannon WAS the most fun gun in fire warrior

[queen laurel]

that can be reasonably carried by a human

[nocturne crest]

TIL there is a hand crank gatling gun in service with the imperium.

[dapper gyro]

Vindicare rifle

Exilus something

[arctic talon]

its not actually hand crank

and yeah the Exitus Rifle

unless you count like

ship weapons

or large vehicle ones

I do not

[dapper gyro]

He said "portable".

[arctic talon]

Oh bruh

I’m blind

[dapper gyro]

Carried by human

[queen laurel]

yeah guessed that

[dapper gyro]

Exitus is the strongest there is in the current lore.

[queen laurel]

Yeah I said reasonably carried by a human no problem because I don't think a human will carry a ship cannon like a Nova Cannon

[late osprey]

i mean SPACE MARINE portable probably gets stronger than exitus

and if its space marine portable its probably sisters of battle-portable

[arctic talon]

well

no

the exitus beats marine weapons

[late osprey]

marines bring about lascannons

[arctic talon]

yes

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if it would possible for a laser to set off a bullet in a gun.

[arctic talon]

the exitus has better penetration

even if the overall destruction is worse

the exitus also can use mini meltabomb rounds

so

[dapper gyro]

Nah, Exitus is stronger than Eliminator Bolt sniper rifle.

[arctic talon]

also they said projectile

a las cannon isn't a projectile

[queen laurel]

"Utilizing specialized ammunition constructed heavy-gravity alloys, the Exitus Rifle is capable of penetrating nearly all forms of known armor and can even pierce armored vehicles"

and that's like pretty much basic ammunition

[late osprey]

no they said ballistic

[arctic talon]

well

[queen laurel]

The ammunition choices you can have with that is like

[arctic talon]

las cannon isn't ballistic still

[queen laurel]

insane

[arctic talon]

we see the exitus punch through a dominus knights uh

armor

and reach the cockpit

[opaque coyote]

I guess in terms of small arms.

Psycannon is my guess although they barely count as a ballistic weapon

[arctic talon]

which isn't the head

[late osprey]

it uses the ballistic skill

[dapper gyro]

Exitus can laugh at Titans.

[late osprey]

in all seriousness i dont know if lascannon and the vindicare rifle are actually really comparable in regards to "which one punchier" unless there's been a direct test

[queen laurel]

Punching a hole through this which is by the way an imperial knight designed to take hits and carry more firepower is insane

[late osprey]

they're both anti-vehicle

[arctic talon]

This is true

They have different roles

as well tbh

the exitus is a scalpel

the las cannon is a hammer sized scalpel

[late osprey]

i think OF projectiles its surely the exitus

also normal people can use the exitus while you need, at least, power armor assistance with the lascannon

or you're just Harken

[dapper gyro]

Hotshot lasgun can blow SM off, but it can't do magic trick payload like projectile weapons.

Lasgun can only shoot straight.

[opaque coyote]

One is used to make sure that the person is absolutely dead

The other is used to destroy the tank

[arctic talon]

one kills the person in the tank

the other kills the tank

but yeah the exitus getting a new type of round

was not on my list of things in recent lore tbh

[dapper gyro]

Nah, some Exitus ammo can definitely kill the tank.

And the person in it.

[arctic talon]

This is true

[late osprey]

im trying to think if there's anything that really is comparable, im sure the Tankstopper Rifle is probably a deliberately lesser version of the exitus

non-projectile, there's still the Meltagun

handheld annihilator

[arctic talon]

for hand held like

non heavy

melta is def the closest yeah

[late osprey]

in terms of sheer destructive power it probably is stronger but obviously not nearly as versatile

[opaque coyote]

Jurgen's special

[dapper gyro]

Vindicare can hand wrestling vs SM without armour (doesn't mean they can win a hand to hand combat). They are pretty strong.

[opaque coyote]

"IT LOOKS LIKE CAIN IS IN TROUBLE... BUT HERE COMES JURGEN WITH THE MELTA!"

[arctic talon]

I do love the uh

augments

that all the assasinorum members get

Its very cool

[opaque coyote]

They probably have multiple tabs in their eyes

Let's be fair here

And they're all Microsoft Excel spreadsheets

Oh wait

[late osprey]

sometimes it really feels like the assassin writer was John GW's kid and he was just allowed to go completely nuts with what he was writing

[opaque coyote]

I misread Assassinorum as Adminstratum

[dapper gyro]

😑

[late osprey]

"and THESE assassins are so cool they can kill an entire craftworld and they dont afraid of anything"

but on principle they're cool

[arctic talon]

well that hasn't happened

yet

[late osprey]

give it time

[dapper gyro]

Nah, nowadays, they are a punching bag to show how OP someone is...

[arctic talon]

I like how the assassins in Rath's book struggle

when they're out of their element

now granted they're still like

[opaque coyote]

I also find the differences of them funny.

Vindicare: "I assassinate my enemies sneakily without being notic-"

Eversor: "I AM SO FUCKING HIGH. I WANT TO KILL KILL KILL. WHERE ARE THE ENEMIES. KILL!"

[arctic talon]

absolutely horrifying killing machines

[dapper gyro]

A SM that can out snipe a Vindicare, that SM is so OP!!!!

[tough haven]

“Oh lovely, it’s killing time!”
-An eversor after waking up out of stasis

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-rick-morty-krombopulous-michael-gif-5161053

[opaque coyote]

Basically if y'all played Trepang2.

I imagine that's what an Eversor is like

[queen laurel]

Still not as bad as the grand champion of making someone look cool

[dapper gyro]

So, have you figure it out yet? If you want an easier way, you can pick either the axe or shovel from my pfp.

[tough haven]

Yeah pretty much

[opaque coyote]

If you haven't played Trepang2

Watch gameplay and then play it

[tough haven]

What about swarmlord

[queen laurel]

second

[tough haven]

He’s coming for the crown

[winter vessel]

These four are the embodiment of what i envision of College students in Fraternity groups

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

I still think Avatar of Khaine wins out due to somehow being choked out despite being not organic in anyway

[tough haven]

I actually like vanus temple best, information warfare done to an extreme is horrifying

[queen laurel]

how is an avatar that doesn't need to breathe getting choked out

[arctic talon]

Vanus temple is fun

[queen laurel]

It's an avatar of a God of War

[arctic talon]

I like how the Vanus in assasinorum uh

[tough haven]

You’ll die due to a complex chain of events stemming from a piece of code being set to true, you don’t even know a hit was taken out on you

[arctic talon]

has people lynch her targets

for her lol

On Dominion

[tough haven]

Work smarter not harder

[arctic talon]

real

[winter vessel]

Vanus: is when you max your speech check to kill your enemies

[tough haven]

I wish there would be kingmaker 2 following the vanus

[dapper gyro]

Vanus is cyberpunk tabletop...

[tough haven]

Netrunner moment

[queen laurel]

is it true that they augmented themselves to get like dopamine or any positive reaction from getting information

[arctic talon]

Uh

prolly not

[dapper gyro]

Vanus will have bad time fighting anything outside of the imperium though.

[queen laurel]

noted

[opaque coyote]

I have no idea.

But that actually fucking happened. As an insult to injury, FULGRIM IS THE ONE WHO CHOKED THE AVATAR OUT

[winter vessel]

I stll won't forget Legienstrasse, so bad of a fuck up that the only who walked away from that mess was Captain Lysander

[tough haven]

I really wanna loose a rogue eversor on my party in my campaign just for fun as a horror element, but there’s no scenario where they survive, let alone beat it, probably wouldn’t be any fun for them

[arctic talon]

tau + imperium

both good

chaos isn't terrible

[dapper gyro]

Depending what kind of Chaos.

[arctic talon]

me when media, corporate, Rocker and fixer are all one fucking party

[dapper gyro]

Dark Ad mech, super effective. Chaos deamon? nah.

[winter vessel]

and they didn't confirm if they got every single one of Legienstrasse's spawn?

[tough haven]

Now I want a dbd chapter with an eversor assassin

[queen laurel]

"Infocytes are said to hold the same relationship with raw information as an addict had with their chosen vice in the sense that they are enraptured by the idea of new data as well as what they could do to not only gather it but know it as well."
-Lex

[arctic talon]

Then yes

LOL

[queen laurel]

It seems that it is a thing but probably not that apparent

[arctic talon]

yeeeeeep

[late osprey]

well i would imagine generally you'd want to keep the assassins for domestic things anyway

sometimes GW just writes them as being stand-ins for entire armies but

[arctic talon]

tbh all the officio members are a bunch of sickos anyways lol

[late osprey]

hopefully that remains the minority of instances

[dapper gyro]

Legienstrasse story is so shit...

[arctic talon]

All of them get off to shit

lol

Like

[winter vessel]

ಠ_ಠ

[dapper gyro]

I really think they should retcon it, burn that story away.

[arctic talon]

Raithe, Sycorax and Koln are like

way too happy

when they get to kill someone

[opaque coyote]

The worst part is that is still not the worst the Avatar of Khaine has been through

[arctic talon]

and they take way too much enjoyment in it lol

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Koln literally watches as she suffocates an entire room

and she's very happy with herself making them die horribly and slowly lol

[opaque coyote]

"OH BOY MURDER!"

[winter vessel]

huffing that gas

[arctic talon]

Raithe is happy whenever he gets to blow someones head off

as expected

and sycorax is just a psycho lol

[late osprey]

damn have they really not scaled-up terminators yet?

[arctic talon]

in a good way

she's fun

[arctic talon]

They have

[opaque coyote]

Khorne looking at them with interest

[arctic talon]

New one on the left, old one on the right

wait no

both are new ones

fuck

[dapper gyro]

Indomitus Terminator

[arctic talon]

there we go

[late osprey]

oh cool

[winter vessel]

Get Shorty on the right over there

[late osprey]

apparently its the exact same pattern of terminator armor in lore too

[opaque coyote]

I assume the right is an old one.

And I must ask

Why is it going

"Cha Cha real smooth"

[late osprey]

which makes you wonder how firstborn fit into them in the first place

[winter vessel]

Terminator so oiled he glides when he walks

[arctic talon]

Terminator armor gets resized

to fit its wearer

shorter/taller

Also the new terminators are much closer to artwork size

tbh

[opaque coyote]

"SLIDE TO THE LEFT"

"SLIDE TO THE RIGHT."

"CRISS CROSS."

[arctic talon]

Terminators have always been kind of huge lol

compared to uh their minis

[late osprey]

yeah but now im just thinking normal marines were in stilts the past 10,000 years

[arctic talon]

LOL

I mean

[late osprey]

"huh this actually fits me a lot better now crazy"

[winter vessel]

yeah, i've seen some people ik who try to put Terminators on par with baseline Marines

[opaque coyote]

"I'll be sure to win because my speed is superior" ahh

[gray umbra]

Terminators need heelies

[winter vessel]

gotta get em on brand

[dapper gyro]

The current termie looks fine.

[opaque coyote]

Y'know a Terminator fucking skating towards you genuinely sounds terrifying

[gray umbra]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Tbf baseline marines do have upsides

but also like

[wintry scarab]

I saw this image and it reminded me of this model that came out a while back. How is this a servitor and not an assasin. I cant be the only one that thinks it looks nothing like what i imagine a servitor looking like.

[arctic talon]

in a straight fucking fist fight no lmao

[gray umbra]

Imagine like 50000 pounds coming at you with lightning claws

[arctic talon]

you are being clobbered to death if you're in normal power armor

[gray umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/heelys-heely-guy-heelys-gang-james-g-jamesmakesmusic-gif-17144766

[late osprey]

i swear i remember an instance where the ground collapsed under a terminator

[arctic talon]

yeah

its in a dark angel book

its in a building

[late osprey]

and he was fucking stuck there until a crane could lift him up

great stuff

[arctic talon]

one moment

lemme find the excerpt

its super funny

[winter vessel]

ah yeah that was a good read

[arctic talon]

Affirmative,’ replied Daellon and Telemenus together. The two of them opened fire, synchronising bursts between them. Brickwork turned to dust as Telemenus pounded the huts from outside while Daellon let fly through interior walls. A few sparks of las-bolts from a window two dozen metres ahead drew the attention of Telemenus. He returned fire, punching half a dozen bolts through the wall.

‘Some kind of sub-level here,’ reported Daellon. ‘Descending.’

‘Wait!’ yelled Telemenus, but his warning came too late. The audio pick-ups brought the sound of splintering woods and crumbling ferrocrete followed by an almighty crash.

Daellon cursed without pause over the vox.

‘Report,’ barked Arbalan.

‘Brother Daellon misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs, brother-sergeant,’ said Telemenus, trying not to laugh. For once he was glad somebody else was attracting the negative scrutiny. There was a chuckle from Cadmael and a sigh from Arbalan.

‘Daellon, can you climb out?’ asked the sergeant.

‘Negative, a three metre drop at least. The floor will not hold my weight to pull myself up.’

‘No threats detected,’ Telemenus added, his auspex sensors encompassing the long row of huts.

‘Understood,’ said Arbalan. He sounded impatient. ‘Daellon, remain in place, I will signal for an armoury extraction team. Telemenus, rejoin the squad.

[dapper gyro]

"misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs"...

Superhuman intellect...

[opaque coyote]

Nah

Imagine them skating

Like shadow the hedgehog

https://tenor.com/view/year-of-shadow-fearless-year-of-shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-the-hedgehog-jumpscare-jumpscare-gif-9527583121346202168

[late osprey]

i like the idea of them all giggling like schoolgirls in their super deep voices all at once

"huhuhuh"

[arctic talon]

I mean

there's the uh

scene in the dante book

where Dante's entire squad are playing in the rain lmao because they've never seen it

[winter vessel]

translation- Telemenus: "hey Daellon...MOO MOO" Daellon: "FUCK OFF."

[arctic talon]

and they get yelled at

[opaque coyote]

Tbf he was

New

At the job

And using T Armor

[late osprey]

you don't exactly get trained in terminator armor in scout school, yeah

[opaque coyote]

...

You think this happened a lot of times

[late osprey]

i mean im surprised this doesnt happen constantly in like

Space Hulks

[dapper gyro]

This, but RG...

[late osprey]

those things are total pieces of shit

[arctic talon]

tbh

[opaque coyote]

Metal is weak

[arctic talon]

it prolly does

but we never see it

because that is a really boring way to die lol

[opaque coyote]

SM suddenly falls through like 15 different ships

[late osprey]

makes you wonder why space marines insist on sending only terminators there

[opaque coyote]

This makes the Space Hulk video game even more disappointing

Because it would've been funny if there were noticably weak spots on the floor

[late osprey]

maybe its all a way for them to write-off old terminator suits so they get new ones

[opaque coyote]

If you step on them

You fall through and die

Could be an interesting obstacle

[late osprey]

well

[opaque coyote]

Also would've been funny

[dapper gyro]

In Space Hulk videogame, they sent the fking Death Wings...

[winter vessel]

on the battle barge: "Did you find the sergeant's signal?" Helmsman: "he's floating starboard side, my lord" Terminator drifting in space

[late osprey]

i swear they said it was because space hulks have radiation out the wazoo

like elephant's foot levels that only terminators can survive

but i checked the lexi page recently and instead all i saw was "they're just sooooo dangerous"

[opaque coyote]

Well both that and y'know

It's in space

Well the warp/space

Probably no oxygen

[late osprey]

space marine power armor is still void-rated

maybe not chernobyl rated, but void-rated

[dapper gyro]

Nah, SM is supposed to be functional even if they are naked in space...

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's mainly because Tyranids, Daemons, and Orks love being there

For

Some fucking reason

Idk why

[dapper gyro]

How they do it? Ask the dudes who wrote the lores...

[late osprey]

functional, no, they have to go into comas to survive that

[opaque coyote]

Like I get the Orks

Scrap

[late osprey]

do orks get cancer?

[opaque coyote]

But why are there Tyranids there

[opaque coyote]

No. They're fungi.

Even if they did they probably wouldn't care

[dapper gyro]

Eh, you don't know some funny old lore then...

[opaque coyote]

Like what's a few tumors gonna stop you from krumpin?

Just cut them off

Ez

[late osprey]

the mad doks have a field day researching it

"Just saw it off innit"

[opaque coyote]

The idea of like

Ghazkhgull fucking dying of cancer is funny to me for some reason

[late osprey]

"shuldnt have gotten on dat space hulk..."

i actually dont know if space hulk radiation is canon

if it ever was, or still is

i just vaguely remember that

space marines might essentially just send in terminators for shits and giggles

[opaque coyote]

Yeah they are

Since y'know Imperium ships contain radiation

And now they're fucking broken and smashed together

Gonna not be good

[dapper gyro]

I would like to 3D print this one some day. https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/female-vindictive-assassin-pose-1

[winter vessel]

hmm...dunno about the helmet, 'sides that looks neat

[ember vine]

So this new game mode is training to be a 'mortis agent'?

What is a mortis agent?

Is that an established thing in 40k or is this new?

[dusk patrol]

I don’t recall it being mentioned prior but it’s basically just elite Killteam stuff

It sounds cool and all that

The Mortis preorder gear talks about the Mortis Squad or whatever being a special group in the retinue

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/bDhWqdE98iI?si=ae8zZOEZaOeg3sRk

[vagrant fox]

yea he's got that skibidog in him

[storm jungle]

SHUT UP

[shadow plover]

I sentence: death

[queen laurel]

bro some people are insane like, really ai generated?

[shadow plover]

Kar as an accomplice for sharing this filth

[queen laurel]

like the game literally shows you straight up

you are set in a world that is literally a wasteland and you are in a giant metal city

**** you mean add a forest

[summer mural]

dechala isnt a daemon prince?

but festus , azazel, vilitch are?

[summer mural]

yes

but the reason I asked is because I assumed the coc I mentioned are daemon princes, but they are not

so its all good

[spring cairn]

is there a lore reason as to why Sefoni can't stop fucking moaning in the Mortias Trials OST like please restrain yourself

[green loom]

She just freaky like that

[gray umbra]

Its not just her mind we are breaking

[spring cairn]

there is a coomer...among us

https://tenor.com/view/rannick-darktide-rannick-darktide-among-us-rannick-among-us-gif-5291651355473045582

[storm jungle]

die

[spring cairn]

do Melk and Hallowette draw straws to know which one of them is cleaing Sefoni's tank after she's done with the trials ?

[shadow plover]

bold of you to assume it is cleaned

[spring cairn]

at least change her water

[hallow plover]

I could see a mission set in some botanical gardens for nobles in the upper hive. We are mostly playing in the lower hive as of now, right?

[shadow plover]

Throneside is somewhat higher but yeah

[queen laurel]

even if you add something like that they will still complain

[hallow plover]

I know.

They just have to go play ratclick

[queen laurel]

darktide "players" are never happy

[hallow plover]

Truly grim.

[tight stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861735313583636530/1355149847660855296/IMG_20250328_120054_8.jpg?ex=67e7e125&is=67e68fa5&hm=f9c90ac59cb29ba52b46e20fd7ed7f331e9bbec3f17b6bcca01db8cfc8dc7c09&

Showed my friend this and they said it belongs to the techpriests given how ancient this technology is (this is from highschool and still works)

[hallow plover]

I would like to see a botanical garden being corrupted into a garden of nurgle or something like that

[queen laurel]

yeah that would be great

[celest dome]

One of Atoma's moon. Atrox could work

[queen laurel]

oh that sounds great

[celest dome]

We don't know for sure if it's a forested world atm. But it might

[misty vector]

its crazy how the steam forums have the dumbest people and the worst opinions

[queen laurel]

that's why I have device a torture method where someone is only given nutrients every time they read something dumb in the steam forums

the government hasn't approved of it yet for some reason

[storm jungle]

the best part is its the same in every single steam game lol

[vagrant fox]

Torment Nexus ass device

[rose thorn]

OOOO RECYCYLING

Recycling has finally reached 2 more territories in the UK!

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-guys-christmas-one-week-until-christmas-im-so-thriled-about-this-information-christmas-christmas-meme-gif-24202287

Terrarecycle, a month away!

Also the recycle doenst accept forgeworld resin which. Is the funniest thing ever to me

[storm jungle]

government moment

[rose thorn]

A material so shitty even gw can’t get someone to recycle it

[queen laurel]

it makes for a potent gas weapon though

[rose thorn]

I can’t believe one of the primary ingredients in mustard gas is a Deredeo dreadnought

On similar news, the US marines made a wargame to teach young people warfare tactics lmao

It’s so blatantly evil the armynews website said ‘marines made wargame to recruit bloodthirsty nerds’

[queen laurel]

the suicide bomber rolled A 6 so therefore he will take out basically your entire squad but your coordinated firing ability can prevent this

[rose thorn]

Bringing my homebrew Taliban warband to the gulf war gaming event

[queen laurel]

i need to bring my German ork tank regiment

[storm jungle]

lmfao WHAT

[rose thorn]

“Why do the marines get a model every month! My Korean People's Army Ground Force army hasn’t been updated since 2003”

[queen laurel]

i looked in it and this is what i found

i don't know how true it is though

[rose thorn]

THEY CHANGED NERds to LEADER SAHAHAHHAHA

[lone quest]

lol

Regicide irl

[rocky gale]

Bro they’re introducing it to France and the US before Northern Ireland

[hallow saddle]

idk, forge world resin honestly pretty nice!

U mean finecast maybe?

[sly ivy]

Based

Bae-sed

Six years as marine infantry leaving as sergeant now teaches wargaming ok how many guard models does this man own

[winter vessel]

Man I cannot get enough of that final wave theme from the Mortis Trials. Kyd you’ve continued to prove your immaculate art of music

[queen laurel]

Sefoni fucking locks in

[dusk patrol]

He should consider making it a career

[queen laurel]

in the later waves

[dusk patrol]

I don’t normally say this, but I think he might have a future in this industry

[rose thorn]

They are selling warhammer larp gear

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/e4fta6wp/warhammer-armoury-become-a-soldier-of-nuln-with-this-incredible-burgschneider-larp-gear/

[dapper gyro]

Why larp... I want real gear.

Lore accurate, too.

[rose thorn]

I can not imagine the cross over between historical larpers and warhammer old world fans isn’t one you would want to interact with lmao

[spring cairn]

real well made replicas cost a small fortune so

at least the historical accurate ones do

[dapper gyro]

Knowing GW, their larp gear will be more expensive than real reproduction stuff.

[spring cairn]

most definitely

[shadow plover]

It's not GW who's selling those, they're just collabing with Burgschneider

[rose thorn]

Yee

[shadow plover]

https://burgschneider.com/en-eu/pages/warhammer-armoury

[dapper gyro]

The medieval larp accessories store near my place is a high quality one and it is already pricey, while having insanely good reviews and recommendations.

[shadow plover]

weapons are foam but the armours are metal

[rose thorn]

I guess they went w ith old world because it’s mostly cloth, so it’s probably easier to produce

Also makes empire vs empire make more sense

[spring cairn]

also because it's mostly based on historical designs

which is 10 times easier to make real world stuff with

[dapper gyro]

Yes, which is already in production.

[rose thorn]

Cities is too just a much later era of armor and probably a pain to make

Also the helmets would be hell

[queen laurel]

They pass the look time for the durability test

[rose thorn]

I don’t think the cities helmets are based off anything realistic

[green loom]

They're based on generic kettle helmets

[dapper gyro]

Honestly though, 40K metallic accessories are not hard to make, beside the power armours of course.

[rose thorn]

Cities is more based of the 16th(?) or 17th(?) 15th century

I might be wrong

But the

Gun knights

[green loom]

They're very early 14th century coded

With the handguns

[rose thorn]

Google lied lmao

[green loom]

Wait

I think I mean 15th century

Yeah 15th

[rose thorn]

15th sounds right,

[green loom]

Very hussite maxxing

[rose thorn]

Yeha but they got all the shit ontop of it too

[dapper gyro]

It is anywhere from the 14th to 17th centuries.

[green loom]

That's just Warhammer flair

[dapper gyro]

Like the breastplate only riflemen are from later period.

[rose thorn]

Good to point out hammerhal specifically uses steel

For armor

Which idk if that means anything historically

But they point it out

[green loom]

They very much feel like super fantastical 15th century boyes

[dusk patrol]

Historically, other people have also used steel

Very historical

[dapper gyro]

Steel is generally 99% iron...

[dusk patrol]

Don’t tell coal that

[dapper gyro]

It is an iron alloy.

I'm tired of people saying steel is not iron...

[winter vessel]

Me but it’s with Titanium and people think it was always an alloy and not a chemical element

[dapper gyro]

I get the opposite... People always think that commonly used titanium is pure. Pure titanium is weak, slightly better than aluminum.

[rose thorn]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

Oh my bad

That’s old

[dapper gyro]

Most of the titanium in use is alloyed to give it the strength to weight ratio that people know of.

[rose thorn]

How does iron become steel?

Ghur settlements specifically use iron instead of steel

At least iron jawz and uhhh

Excelsis

[dapper gyro]

Steel is pretty much the term used for all of iron alloys nowadays. It is about the carbon content in the iron alloy.

Having even 0.10% carbon mass in the alloy is enough to be called steel.

Pre-industrial era, it is extremely difficult to get carbon content lower than 0.40%, so all claims of "they used iron before steel", are bs.

[dapper gyro]

In case of that, it could be cast iron, which has more 1.7% carbon mass in the alloy.

[rose thorn]

Ah makes sense

[dapper gyro]

With modern technology, there are alloys with more than 2% carbon that behave more like "steel" and nothing like "cast iron".

[dusk patrol]

Everything is an alloy these days

Not a lot of times where metal purity is better

[dapper gyro]

Even in the past, people didn't have that much technology to completely purify materials.

[meager zinc]

Wait so have space marine chapters in the dark imperium been able to upgrade to primaris marines?

[dapper gyro]

The only pure metals that I can think of are lead, silver, gold and aluminum.

[late osprey]

yeah

blood angels are trapped in the dark imperium side and they upgraded

[dusk patrol]

Basically all of them have the tech

Custodes Torchbearer fleets seeked out all they could

Often with primaris reinforcements

[meager zinc]

Oh so i guess travel in the dark imperium isn't too bad then

[shadow plover]

And Guilliman got the Indomitus crusade through to the other side and met with Dante or am I misremembering shit

[dusk patrol]

It is

[dapper gyro]

If you have a top of the line fleet...

[dusk patrol]

It’s just they put a lot of effort into getting it there

It wasn’t a simple task

But enough got through and it’s spread

[meager zinc]

Sigh alright.

[dusk patrol]

There’s still plenty without much primaris tech but most at least can make them

[dapper gyro]

They can request it as well, it takes a while for the delivery, but it will arrive.

[meager zinc]

"one order of big dudes please. Express delivery."

[dapper gyro]

So far the Custodes express works well, not many parcels have been destroyed.

[dusk patrol]

There’s still some chapters like SW who are divided on them but, a lot weren’t in much position to refuse

Especially in Nihlius

[meager zinc]

Yeah i read that like 94% of chapters are cool with them

[dusk patrol]

Idk about cool but they can’t really afford to reject it

[shadow plover]

a Black Templar crusade force also killed the primaris sent to them

[dusk patrol]

The 13th BC took a huge toll on most

[dapper gyro]

Custodes Express, the voice of the Emperor has reached you.

[late osprey]

it does say that fleets expecting to reach a chapter that might spazz and try to refuse primaris are given extra-large custodes details

[meager zinc]

Plus the rubicon surgery allows firstborn to glam up

[dusk patrol]

Custodes are good at convincing those who might disagree yeah

[late osprey]

kindve a dick move honestly, what did the primaris ever do to them?

[meager zinc]

I'm just tryna figure out Muh Homebroo Lore

[dusk patrol]

Well the chaplain who ordered it was a little nutty

[shadow plover]

BT be like that

[dusk patrol]

Helbrecht would have killed the dude himself if he didn’t die before then

[dapper gyro]

Didn't they kill the custodes, but then pretty much shamed for that?

[dusk patrol]

They did, and the primaris

[late osprey]

generally as of the current age no chapter lacks primaris for any reason except out of choice

[dusk patrol]

They managed to almost wiped out the crusade before that though

There was like four guys left of 100

Against a Custodes and like 40 primaris iirc

If you want to do a chapter without primaris, they’d probably have to be on the far fringes

[dapper gyro]

Yeah, the surviving DT got shamed afterwards.

[meager zinc]

I'm just trying to figure out how much time has past between the appearance of the great rift and "the present day"

[dusk patrol]

They covered it up in the end

[shadow plover]

which present day

[dusk patrol]

Like 20ish years

16-20

[meager zinc]

Exactly 😎

[dapper gyro]

I thought the BT had more than 100, it was a big company by BT standard.

[dusk patrol]

It’s been about that long since the rift opened

It was a small crusade

BT crusades aren’t consistent in size

[meager zinc]

I dunno if i can talk homebrew here or if anyone wants to hear.

[dusk patrol]

The Marshal I believe was turned on by the Chaplain, but it’s been a minute

[shadow plover]

turned on?

[dusk patrol]

You can talk, normally we don’t use audio though

[dapper gyro]

I was playing SC2, fking Dark Templar then Black Templar...

[dusk patrol]

I’m gonna turn my foot on your ass

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I figured lol

[meager zinc]

Sorry i meant if the lore channel is appropriate for homebrew discussion lol

[dapper gyro]

Totally yes

[dusk patrol]

We talk about a lot less lore connected stuff here

[vagrant fox]

It's been done before, homebrew stuff in here

[dapper gyro]

This chat is wild, yet civilized, unlike Zealot chat...

[queen laurel]

Kind of expected when sentient tools talk with an iron hand a clown some guy that is building a giant religious war machine and and ironjaw

We are like psychologically

Different

Conversations here can go from insane to somehow the most tame conversations around

[dapper gyro]

... Just checked zealot chat. Venom butts and anime girl memes all over. The degeneration over there has no bounds...

[meager zinc]

Aight well my homebrew chapter was split in half by the great rift, and absolutely decimated down to 175 members. So the companies on the imperium side would definitely have primaris by now.

[queen laurel]

@rocky gale, it seems they have a different plan for the pink gits

For total war

So it seems the masque might be a free legendary lord

[green loom]

Oh is that the elf champion

[queen laurel]

Yep that unlucky high elf

[green loom]

I was right!

[queen laurel]

She's going to be the slannesh legendary lord for the next dlc

[misty vector]

im thinking that shes gonna be focused on mortal units like arbaal and tamurkhan

[queen laurel]

She's also notorious for making poisons

[meager zinc]

1st and 7th company survived on the imperium side with about 95 men, and 3rd and 4th company survived on the dark side with 80 men.
3rd company confirmed the destruction of 6th company, so for the last 20ish years, the chapter would be trying to confirm the whereabouts of 2nd and 5th company.

[queen laurel]

So there's main mechanic i guess

Just using poison in creative implementations

[meager zinc]

So would the imperium just say "forget 2nd and 5th company, here's your new primaris replacements."?

[late osprey]

not necessarily

they may've not gotten enough primaris to completely restore their ranks

[meager zinc]

Yeah, I'm wondering if the imperium has been able to stuff all chapters to full strength with primarises, or just been able to spread the information to everyone.

[celest dome]

Maybe being able to poison your own troops to buff them quite dramatically

Who is she gonna be against ? High Elf or something ?

[queen laurel]

I kind of skip the whole thing but here's the video where i got it from
https://youtu.be/avVyfLV6YXI?si=vxde6qiy7i8bPU_c

[rocky gale]

I like

[queen laurel]

Glad you do

[vagrant fox]

Probably not all, I don't think the Celestial Lions got their primaris reinforcements in the end, not for a lack of trying. There's likely some at the ass end of nowhere who didn't get anything

[outer wave]

Holy shit that first guy sending the other devs into the ether is a wizard

[dusk patrol]

They did get the tech

[vagrant fox]

From the Spears no?

[dusk patrol]

But their area didn’t get its reinforcements I don’t think

Yeah the tech was spread around

Not all chapters got a direct visit, just the tech often

Marines Malevolent is another example

They found a single Custodes survivor guarding it

[vagrant fox]

I just figure there's a chance for a more isolated chapter who didn't get reinforcements or the tech from a mishap or a bureaucratic mistake

[meager zinc]

So like they got the data needed to make primaris and the weargear?

[median star]

so has their ever been any instances of chaos astartes being forced to using lesser guns like a stubber due to not having the supply to have bolter ammunition

[vagrant fox]

Yea

[meager zinc]

I think Chaos SM have used anything they've gotten their hands on. But Chaos chapters have their own forge worlds and like daemon tech.

[late osprey]

that specific instance im not sure of, it's not like they can just pick up a normal human's gun off the ground

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[late osprey]

most warbands do plenty of looting, however

[dusk patrol]

It’s a big thing in Black Crusade

Lacking ammo and supplies

It’s the main downside of CSM not in a “rich” warband

Mostly we’re seeing the Legion CSM who are super well supplied in comparison

[late osprey]

yes but where are they going to get an astartes-sized stubber

[dusk patrol]

Heavy stubber

[late osprey]

sure

on principle they do lots of looting

[dusk patrol]

Theres cases of marines using lasguns even when they’re in need

They just break off the trigger guard

[meager zinc]

I think it depends on the faction. I'm pretty sure Nurgle and tzeentch units can warp their weapons a bit to shoot non ammo consuming projectiles

[dusk patrol]

Some can

A lot can’t

[late osprey]

looting is one of the big universal unfortunate truths of being chaos

[dusk patrol]

The point being, we’re not typically seeing the actually dogshit chaos Warbands

We’re seeing the best

[late osprey]

most chaos warbands can still be outfitted just enough for their various jobs

only the most unlucky would be stuck without boltguns long-term

the Chaos Economy is pretty casual in this way: chaos marines raid and steal crap, and sell off what they don't need (commonly captives) to the dark mechanicum forgeworlds in exchange for ammo

and weapons

[meager zinc]

See thats why Nurgle warbands can be so low effort. You can just throw poop and sneeze on your enemies and you're still super effective.

[dusk patrol]

A lot can, but the question was if some would be that desperate

Which there are

Most don’t have access to a Hellforge or whatever for example

It’s the big advantage loyalists have, they’re almost all better trained and supplied as a baseline

[meager zinc]

Yeah but if your a plague marine, you can puke on any captured weapon and double its damage.

[dusk patrol]

Not quite that’s simple but Plague Marines tend to be the more well supplied anyways

The warp enhanced marines are the outliers mostly

The elite

[median star]

is their any estimate as to where and how many heretic forge worlds there are and wouldnt they be like one of the highest priorities to get rid of

[dusk patrol]

Nah

Enough

There’s more now

Since the rift opened

[late osprey]

"You spend a lot of that time fighting the Sons of Horus because they're weak, and getting weaker. You kill them and take their ships, their worlds, their fortresses, their equipment. You make deals with worlds settled by the Dark Mechanicum. Other times, you invade those worlds, for supplies. Other times, the Mechanicum breaks its oaths to you, screwing you over, because that particular forge, that particular leader, or that particular world had a better offer from a stronger warband. Or because they secretly hated you. Or because of reasons you never find out.

You raid the Imperium a lot, for vengeance, for supplies, for slaves, for territory, and to teach them the truth behind reality. Maybe you do it for the glory of the Dark Gods, to please them, or maybe you do it for yourself, to make life better, easier, or to humiliate a rival who lost a fight against that world or fleet in times past. Maybe you do it because there's pressure from several Aspiring Champions and squad leaders that are inciting the troops into believing you're weak, and should be removed from your position as co-leader. You need a show of strength. Soldiers need victories."

What It's Like is still one of my favorite write-ups

[late osprey]

a lot of them are also in the eye of terror

aka unreachable

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s a great little piece

[meager zinc]

Bro tryna get an accurate count of anything in the warp is like fistfighting the ocean.

[celest dome]

There are enough that they can destroy as many as they need for the narratives.

[median star]

are their atleast any notable ones