The only things i dislike about primaris i think they are maybe too tall and i dont like how theres no mark x variant armor of older designs
#40k-lore-chat
glossy sonnet
hallow plover
Yea, that was awkward
late osprey
i just dont like the idea that chaos marines didnt get any similar treatment
the mental image is just too comedic for me
raven stone
Like, if you upgraded to Primaris biology in lore writing, but kept original Tac Squads and Chapter structures
glossy sonnet
i just dont like the idea that chaos marines didnt get any similar treatment
they dont have cawl
raven stone
I wouldn't have cared
meager zinc
I just felt they didn't need to be bigger and stronger, since the lore already stated they were insanely big and strong. I just felt that having primaris be a new armor set and new weapons tech would have been fine.
glossy sonnet
Primaris should have just been their own small company within a chapter maybe
raven stone
Also the speed, lorewise, just goes against the way the Imperium is written.
Even with Guilliman's presence accounted for.
hallow plover
Was that all just to justify the new model scaling or was there more reasons?
late osprey
the mono-weaponry squads i feel was unnecessary and just to sell more toys, yeah
raven stone
Was that all just to justify the new model scaling or was there more reasons?
Scaling and also to invalidate people's firstborn armies.
glossy sonnet
Yeah i think theres too many squad types
hallow plover
Yeah i think theres too many squad types
The bloat is something
meager zinc
Was that all just to justify the new model scaling or was there more reasons?
Yeah, if you had old armies, they were technically "obsolete" lorewise.
hallow plover
And tabletop? Not playable anymore? I would get why that could make players angry
dapper gyro
I want to reboot the SM armies, but I think they did a little blunder.
raven stone
GW could have solved bloat by cutting down on Chapter unique units
But they went overkill
dapper gyro
Btw, old units can still use legacy rules.
meager zinc
And tabletop? Not playable anymore? I would get why that could make players an...
Well i guess technically you now have classic armies and primaris armies. Lorewise, it just changes the time period.
raven stone
And tabletop? Not playable anymore? I would get why that could make players an...
Back when Primaris were first introduced they outright hand a superior statline (well ok one more wound but STILL) compared to Firstborns
late osprey
likewise with other legacy units
meager zinc
The other issue GW fails to account for
Leagues of Votann lore?
raven stone
Is how some groups treats Legends as "WTF are you doing playing that" choices
dapper gyro
There are plenty of obsolete table top units way before the 9th E. Though, the 9th wanted core mechanic change.
raven stone
Meaning moving a lot of the Firstborn things to Legends
Is technically also exiling them from the Tabletop
Admittedly this is more a player group end issue
dapper gyro
They could re-org the new SM instead of introducing primaris SM as a new breed of uber soldiers.
Like, Rowboat is back, and he sanctions new equipment and doctrine, squad can be re-org, etc.
meager zinc
I mean they have the rubicon surgery, so any firstborn can become a primaris now
dapper gyro
So it keeps both old and new marines models on the table top with updated rules.
raven stone
They could have Guilliman's return streamline the Loyalist Marines back into 9 founding legion (albeit with decentralised Chapter structure)
That would cut the Marine bloat, you can write the new lore about Prinaris organs without changing size of the Marines.
But no. Someone in GW had to be greedy
And try to do a grand sweep.
dapper gyro
I mean they have the rubicon surgery, so any firstborn can become a primaris now
That has more to do with the lore stuff, so the important characters can keep going without being power creeped.
meager zinc
In reality you can just use your old army for the tabletop and say "oh they all got the rubicon surgery. I can't afford a new army right now", right?
dapper gyro
Kind of if the legend rules apply to those model...
However, during the 9th E, GW intentionally didn't do that to force people getting new primaris kits.
raven stone
In reality you can just use your old army for the tabletop and say "oh they all ...
Right now, mostly, but expect your units to not be as competitive compared to Primaris version...
And if anything is from Legends, hope your opponent is not allergic to Legends entries (as I mentioned before)
dapper gyro
Which create the bs that people having right now.
meager zinc
I mean technically you can use anything as a placeholder for a tabletop if people are cool with it. I could use a piece of cardboard if i wanted
raven stone
Also more on the art and design side, but Primaris just feels so...bog standard Sci Fi sterile.
spare osprey
I miss the angry face of first born that’s really it for me
dapper gyro
I like many ideas with Primaris like the Vanguard/Phobos units, which actually bring in new breath of air to SM faction without being overpowered.
dapper gyro
I mean technically you can use anything as a placeholder for a tabletop if peopl...
It might not apply to the official or semi official tournaments.
meager zinc
It might not apply to the official or semi official tournaments.
Of course.
meager zinc
I like many ideas with Primaris like the Vanguard/Phobos units, which actually b...
Aren't Vanguards just better versions of scouts?
meager zinc
So what's the difference?
meager zinc
Also more on the art and design side, but Primaris just feels so...bog standard ...
That's why i wished it was just an armor and weapon set. That way lorewise and player wise you could switch and mix and match with the old gear to get cool combinations
dapper gyro
Scout is a good mobility and support units.
rose thorn
No problem with primaris I’m just sick of space marines
dapper gyro
Vanguard are battle line, with specialization in objective defending (infiltrator), killing (Incursor) or supporting (suppressor and elimilator).
raven stone
No problem with primaris I’m just sick of space marines
I actually also kind of agree with this. Why I jumped to Imperial Agents now that it's a thing.
No I don't care about competitiveness lol.
opaque coyote
meager zinc
No problem with primaris I’m just sick of space marines
I think necrons are kinda cute
dapper gyro
Anyhow, if it still prints money, GW will keep bring it out.
I hate to say, but SM wankers are so real.
rose thorn
I want gw to sell me a 40K army
I really do
I feel like I’ve been shown the same army 9 times
late osprey
for me? it's craftworld eldar
their lore isn't terrible or anything, i just can't stand it every time they show up in a story
it's like every time they appear the world's saddest violin plays
it completely takes me out of the grimdark 41st millennium
dusk patrol
Depends on the writer
opaque coyote
it's like every time they appear the world's saddest violin plays
Like in terms of how miserable they are or
dusk patrol
One of my favorite cameos they have is in Gaunt’s Ghosts
late osprey
i would even go as far as to say, if every instance of craftworld eldar were replaced by dark eldar, the setting would be better off
late osprey
Depends on the writer
honestly yeah
im just so bitter the writers treat them this singular way i'd rather them excised entirely
a sort of "if you cant do it right dont do it at all" situation
not that the concept itself is terrible
storm jungle
https://youtu.be/qfOVTUg_gh0?si=ve0cdRINxSDsdmZY
ANGSTROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
YOU'RE DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
🗣️
dusk patrol
Lots of very boring ways they’re written yeah
late osprey
Like in terms of how miserable they are or
this, but also in how every conflict with them is utterly contrived BECAUSE of how the writing makes them so sad
raven stone
i would even go as far as to say, if every instance of craftworld eldar were rep...
Craftworld Eldar are weird in that - for a faction eager to indirectly reclaim their glory days - they don’t do much actual reclamation…
late osprey
like writers make them so sad and pathetic that there is no logical reason to fight them, but because of story fiat they attack you because of... reasons, or whatever
and it drives me up a wall
"you" being ofc the human pov or whatever
raven stone
Writers don’t do Eldar well, yea.
The logic behind them is flimsy.
late osprey
and ofc, you pwn them easily and then they go "ouhghhhhh dont you know im the last of my kind" and then the violin plays again
raven stone
Dark Eldar would have made cool villains, except they don’t actually do the whole empire building thing.
storm jungle
they will maybe 1 day get a good book
but otherwise be in mediocrity
it is how it is
late osprey
unironically i would rather there just be dark eldar for that reason
opaque coyote
like writers make them so sad and pathetic that there is no logical reason to fi...
Tbf for the Imperium, the reason is that they exist
late osprey
at least with dark eldar they're comically evil jeebers like chaos
storm jungle
Just give up hope its easier that way 
late osprey
and fill the same niche
meager zinc
One of these days im going to learn eldar lore. One of these days.
dusk patrol
That’s not what he’s talking about though
raven stone
Actually you know what would be better?
Eldar are known to have mind control tricks.
Have them actually mind control some human and Tau worlds.
Because why the fuck not
late osprey
Tbf for the Imperium, the reason is that they exist
the point is that every time they give you this sad swan song about eldar when they just do antagonistic things for utterly no reason
dusk patrol
These things have sorta been done
raven stone
Anything this better than this weird “on the run racist imperialist pirates that don’t do empire building” void
dusk patrol
More manipulate but
storm jungle
Actually you know what would be better?
Eldar are known to have mind control tri...
Its too OP.
Its like space marines not orbitally bombarding where they know the big bad is
we need a physical confrontation lol
dusk patrol
Also mind controlling a lot of people is hard
late osprey
strictly speaking, the fact that craftworld eldar have literal strategic precognition SHOULD make them unbeatable
storm jungle
its the classic superpower curse
opaque coyote
the point is that every time they give you this sad swan song about eldar when t...
Elves moment
Yeah the Eldar desperately need some W's. The saddest part is they have some awesome designs and lore.
late osprey
but no you have to kill 300 more instances of the last specimen of their kind or whatever
dusk patrol
strictly speaking, the fact that craftworld eldar have literal strategic precogn...
Not with how 40k precog works tbh
storm jungle
strictly speaking, the fact that craftworld eldar have literal strategic precogn...
Again gotta have conflict, as much as I agree.
raven stone
Its too OP.
I mean, just artificially limit the number of Farseers capable of doing that. And also technically speaking GW is working with “soft” lore (read: always able to artificially inflate the number of worlds that exists in the whole damn Galaxy)
meager zinc
Yeah you can have the big mind control thing be really sensitive and easy to crack
storm jungle
they are suppose to be the best psykers in the galaxy but lol
glossy sonnet
didnt gw make it so the eldar cant get some crone sword they need so they're just screwed and their plotline cant progress
late osprey
didnt gw make it so the eldar cant get some crone sword they need so they're jus...
the last crone sword went to hell
or something
storm jungle
didnt gw make it so the eldar cant get some crone sword they need so they're jus...
that was for the ynnari specifically.
now the ynnari has been reduced to like uhhh
dusk patrol
Tbh they just didn’t continue the story
storm jungle
a "small cult" of crazy people
glossy sonnet
why 😭
dusk patrol
The sword being in Slannesh’s palace doesn’t stop their story
storm jungle
also all their major characters left
glossy sonnet
the ynnari seemed to actually be moving their story forward
opaque coyote
strictly speaking, the fact that craftworld eldar have literal strategic precogn...
Precog just opens you to multiple timelines.
You have to select which one is the most likely, which one to work towards, etc.
And tbf the Emperor fucked up in that front lma
dusk patrol
They just didn’t continue it
meager zinc
Lol put the eldar in a box for now
opaque coyote
They just didn’t continue it
Because the books sucked ass
dusk patrol
And the Ynnari were a relic of the era that wasn’t needed
storm jungle
the ynnari seemed to actually be moving their story forward
the trilogy (just 2 books) didnt sell well because Gav thorpe is a shitty writer
he mentioned this on one of his blogs
its like years old now
dusk patrol
The plot point wasn’t the issue
late osprey
frankly i didnt even read it as "well its all jsut fucked now lmao"
opaque coyote
the trilogy (just 2 books) didnt sell well because Gav thorpe is a shitty writer
The "trilogy"
LMAOOOOO
late osprey
i just read it as a dangling carrot like "ooooh someone MIGHt get the sword back from slaanesh"
raven stone
GW could reverse the dying race thing by just…saying Eldar could pump out babies if they want or something.
Fuck, Drukhari tech was Eldar tech, they could forcefully uplift species if they want.
Bio engineering.
dusk patrol
They’ve always been “dying”
storm jungle
so not happening
late osprey
really i just dont like the hwole "owww woe is me" shtick to the craftworld eldar
dusk patrol
They’re not actually dying really
storm jungle
also to quote Gav again "theres as many eldar as the plot demands"
late osprey
dark eldar never have that problem
opaque coyote
GW *could* reverse the dying race thing by just…saying Eldar could pump out babi...
"WITH ENOUGH ENERGY, YOU CAN REFORGE A DYING STAR!"
- Guilliman to Yvarine
late osprey
so i like them way more in 40k
storm jungle
also more kids means more spirit stones to get which means more trips to the Eye of Terror
raven stone
One of the few things they should not have ported over from fantasy roots lol
But the point being, Survivalist-Opportunist-Manipulator aspect is not played up enough by any of the writing.
opaque coyote
also more kids means more spirit stones to get which means more trips to the Eye...
"Hey little Timmy, congratulations on being born! Anyways, you're going to hell."
late osprey
also more kids means more spirit stones to get which means more trips to the Eye...
"owwww every child means we have to go to Hell and get more soul stones... and that means 10 billion dead eldar... and then every time theres a new child again we have to do the same again"
opaque coyote
"We don't have enough spirit stones."
crystal forum
what if eldar stop being losers
late osprey
what if eldar stop being losers
we can only hope
hallow saddle
maybe eldar should stop having such tasty souls if they want to survive as a race
dusk patrol
Them losing isn’t even the problem always it’s just how it’s written
hallow saddle
delicious souls
dusk patrol
You can write someone losing and it works
late osprey
dark eldar are sick as fuck primarily because they don't give you the whole sad song treatment
they're just unapologetic in everything it's awesome as fuck
even when they're just punching bags
craftworld eldar being like "we have to be your enemy because uh.... writer reasons!" vs dark eldar "It's baked into our lore to be antagonists."
again, every instance of craftworld eldar appearing would, 9/10, be better off if it was actually dark eldar instead
better immersion, better story flow, etc etc
storm jungle
Them losing isn’t even the problem always it’s just how it’s written
its also a problem imo
when it happens in almost every single story
it gets boring
dusk patrol
My biggest pet peeve in 40k
Is authors not trying to make both the protagonists and antagonists competent and cool
meager zinc
Dark eldar should be thriving right now cuz of the Great Rift, right?
dusk patrol
They have issues too
storm jungle
they dont care about galactic events
dusk patrol
Sorta had a massive rift open up
meager zinc
I mean errybody got issues rn
late osprey
the big khaine door opened
dusk patrol
It’s slowly consuming the city and ate a big chunk
storm jungle
Is authors not trying to make both the protagonists and antagonists competent an...
Its not impossible tho, Lukas the Trickster is one of my fav 40k books for that reason because both the marines/dark eldar in the novel essentially accomplish their objective
crystal forum
it's not like dark eldar had any difficulty raiding backwater worlds before the rift
storm jungle
also that lol
meager zinc
I mean but they can be more open about it.
glossy sonnet
Is authors not trying to make both the protagonists and antagonists competent an...
I agree
the antagonists always come off really boring
just random mustache twirlers
storm jungle
Yeah it needs to be balanced well
but the problem is chaos is always generic supervillains
its why they always get used as the antagonists
they are easier to hate
dusk patrol
Its not impossible tho, Lukas the Trickster is one of my fav 40k books for that ...
There’s a lot of books that do it and they’re great
storm jungle
There’s a lot of books that do it and they’re great
Yeah the issue is them not realising you dont need to completely humiliate the other side to get the results, and this applies to everyone
or you know
read a wikipage on what a weapon the faction has does
😭
dapper gyro
They scaled down one of the supposed next big faction of eldar... It is so over for them.
late osprey
they are easier to hate
sucks that 40k fans are literally so single-moded
"i hate the antag because he sucks, but i LOVE the protag because hes great!!!"
dapper gyro
No more Gman gf
opaque coyote
*read a wikipage on what a weapon the faction has does*
insert Eldar throwing away their weaponry for imperial weaponry
late osprey
imagine what the fandom could accomplish if it wasnt as tyranid-brained
storm jungle
sucks that 40k fans are literally so single-moded
"i hate the antag because he ...
It depends, i think theres some really good examples
glossy sonnet
we need more antagonists that actually feel like characters
opaque coyote
imagine what the fandom could accomplish if it wasnt as tyranid-brained
Every Fandom is basically a new Tyranid hive, let's be fair here
storm jungle
yeah i was reading the new votann book months ago and the "antagonists" in it are just chaos/orks who have no characters and are essentially faceless hordes, it made the book super boring
glossy sonnet
its just random throwaway villains with no character
meager zinc
I mean the best factions that could maybe balance out the sympathy vs the imperium are maybe the tau or the leagues of votann?
late osprey
It depends, i think theres some really good examples
the wasted minutes spent against people who basically do not read into the Word Bearers at all and just go "erebus sucks because HES EVIL" has really killed my spirit
dapper gyro
MCU issue
late osprey
they just dont appreciate the villains at all, i swear
glossy sonnet
as big as chaos space marines are, they have barely any characters with actual depth
opaque coyote
the wasted minutes spent against people who basically do not read into the Word ...
Erebus stole my dick pls help
storm jungle
the wasted minutes spent against people who basically do not read into the Word ...
Erebus is great idk what they mean 
glossy sonnet
Erebus is the only mustache twirler done right in this universe
dapper gyro
CSM are just the punching bags.
meager zinc
Sounds like they need a story where its hard to figure out would the bad guy in the scenario
glossy sonnet
Sounds like they need a story where its hard to figure out would the bad guy in ...
thats how it should be
late osprey
Sounds like they need a story where its hard to figure out would the bad guy in ...
they'd throw it away and call it C.S Gotoslop
dapper gyro
GK is 100% bad guys. /S
opaque coyote
Sounds like they need a story where its hard to figure out would the bad guy in ...
Less that
More actually giving the bad guys more character than just being a narrative wall for the Heroes to smash through
storm jungle
There are no real good guys in this setting
thats a problem from a narrative stance though
same reason why guard characters in books always have to be "relatable"
meager zinc
It should feel that way
You could have a solid political drama of a tau colony world being invaded by the imperium, and its a constant narrative back and forth of whether it was justified or not.
late osprey
like there ARE still degrees here
opaque coyote
40k is not just "everyones the same"
There are two choices
-
An empire that commits a Holocaust daily
-
Actual Demons and Satan
meager zinc
There are two choices
- An empire that commits a Holocaust daily
- Actual Demo...
The tau aren't that bad cmon. Id prefer to live in the tau empire out of all the factions
late osprey
frankly i think the problem is just people not appreciating the antagonists properly, as much as i sound like a wine-huffing fart-sniffer about that
but like
think about how people talk about the word bearers, or abaddon
the sorts of people who knock them are the people who are MADE for bolterporn
glossy sonnet
think about how the word bearers and abaddon are written
opaque coyote
The tau aren't that bad cmon. Id prefer to live in the tau empire out of all the...
The T'au are less bad compared to 95% of them yes.
They're still bad but in terms of being relative they might as well be safe havens
outer wave
The tau aren't that bad cmon. Id prefer to live in the tau empire out of all the...
Relatively to the rest of the galaxy, yeah they're reasonable, but they're still gonna treat you like second class citizens (which is relatively better than how the IoM treats the average person)
late osprey
if you approach 40k from the perspective of a temporarily-embarassed-billionaire, however, chaos is the only reasonable option
meager zinc
Relatively to the rest of the galaxy, yeah they're reasonable, but they're still...
Yeah I'd rather not be able to vote and have to use a different bathroom than end up as corpse starch on a forge world lol
late osprey
by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, you can become a daemon prince and rule over your own mini-dimension
opaque coyote
by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, you can become a daemon prince and ru...
I find it funny that how Chaos works is basically late Stage Capitalism
"You might go up the ladder! But your bosses will probably prevent you from doing so."
opaque coyote
the ultimate rat race
Vashtorr is my favorite primarily because he's the definition of
meager zinc
I mean starting out at the bottom of the chaos ladder is ROUGH
opaque coyote
"The Grind never stops"
meager zinc
You may just go mad or become a puss plant
late osprey
and much like the capitalist method, a lot of it comes down to just being at the right place at the right time
consider the chaos BFG:A2 cutscene
opaque coyote
And yet he hasn't become a God yet. Mainly because the billionai- I mean Chaos Gods prevent him from doing so
meager zinc
If i was going to worship chaos, id write up some contracts first. Get some guarantees right off the bat.
opaque coyote
There is a vast difference between being a Millionaire (Daemon Prince) and being a Billionaire (Chaos Gods)
...
Holy shit Chaos is literally late Stage Capitalism
late osprey
a take ive had for al ong while LOL
meager zinc
The imperium is a socialist utopia
opaque coyote
The imperium is a socialist utopia
Honestly not even that.
It's literally feudalism
late osprey
in fact, if you want to get REALLY obnoxious about it, you can argue that the imperium v chaos struggle is a contest of extremes, being between extremist authoritarianism vs extremist egalitarianism
i dont believe that myself, but the resources are all there
opaque coyote
in fact, if you want to get REALLY obnoxious about it, you can argue that the im...
...
When are we gonna get daemons with suits on
Like come on
Imagine a Daemonette with drip
late osprey
the eye of terror? i think you mean ancapistan
opaque coyote
the eye of terror? i think you mean ancapistan
The Eye of Terror is a wonderful way for Chaos. Inc to expand their horizons
...are minor Chaos Gods literally start up companies
late osprey
well
the start up company lifecycle literally is one designed to be purchased by a larger corporation at some point
so really just any time some chaos space marine tries to start up his own warband, thats essentially a start up
opaque coyote
the start up company lifecycle literally is one designed to be purchased by a la...
OH MY GOD THEY ARE START UP COMPANIES
late osprey
its considered inordinately unrealistic to not eventually sell out
opaque coyote
Wait. The reason why Malal got erased is literally due to copyright.
I FUCKING KNEW IT. THE CHAOS GODS. THEY FUCKING DID IT.
COULDN'T HANDLE A 5TH MONOPOLY.
late osprey
just got hostile takeover'd
opaque coyote
just got hostile takeover'd
Malice is just his attempt to bounce back after his company got sued by the four
💀
meager zinc
Honestly not even that.
It's literally feudalism
Not technically. Feudalism revolved around fiefdoms and land ownership in exchange for labor. Imperium owns and produces everything, cart blanche. That's pure socialism baby.
late osprey
the point ultimately is that it is probably true that most warband leaders are ONLY doing it for their personal gain (becoming a daemon prince)
they couldn't possibly care less about the warband itself
abaddon is essentially an irrational actor
opaque coyote
Not technically. Feudalism revolved around fiefdoms and land ownership in exchan...
Tbf Fiefdoms is how planets/systems essentially are. They have to pay a Tithe to the Emperor.
late osprey
he's been offered many chances to "sell out" but he refuses because he has a massive grudge against the imperium
opaque coyote
And if not then the King dismantles them
late osprey
this is also demonstrated in the FFG chaos rpg, where the ultimate goal IS to become a daemon prince
and everything else is secondary
once you've Made it, that's one of the only good endings someone can get in 40k
of course, it costs your soul and sanity, but details
meager zinc
And if not then the King dismantles them
The imperium can reshape the entire structure of a system if they see fit. During feudalism, Kings had limited power in how fiefdoms ran themselves.
This is getting beyond the scope of 40k lore tho.
arctic talon
It’s from a valrak video, but it’s a chaos knight questoris chasis with a giant melee on one arm that somewhat resembles a meat grinder
The most recent rumor engine
Is likely related
rocky gale
Knights are cool
storm jungle
Valrak
storm jungle
LMFAO
arctic talon
LMFAO
This man is a trooper, he watches every goddamn valrak rumor video and summarizes it
He bears a cross for everyone else/hj
rose thorn
to show how upset i am i typed a list of all the greyknight units that odnt have a kit
rose thorn
we dont have a fucking grandmaster mini
rose thorn
?
sly ivy
The other big one
storm jungle
take your pills
rose thorn
minus like Castellan Cow
voldus is to scale tbf
storm jungle
voldus is to scale tbf
who even was he
arctic talon
Warhammer 40,000 - Chaos Knights
has heard the new Knight is called the Ruinator?(something with Ruin); meat-grinder esque weapon on one arm.
has also heard about a new box set; X7 War Hounds.
Warhammer 40,000 - Space Marines
has heard there will not be individual codex supplements for other First Founding chapters; they will get characters, Drop pod(unsure if for heresy or 40k)
Aeldari
Karandras will be coming at a later date, not part of the Aeldari codex.(end of edition likely)
Votann
Coming alongside one of the first founding releases
sly ivy
V… vorcestrchire right that one
rose thorn
who even was he
hes the leader of the faction
storm jungle
Oh the fucking bearded terminator looking guy
rose thorn
yeah
storm jungle
i forgot he existed tbh
rose thorn
rose thorn
lMAO
storm jungle
never bothered to learn his name 
rose thorn
hes agood kit i have him
sly ivy
That’s him librarian vortigaunt
storm jungle
GUN LEAN MAN GUN LEAAAN
rose thorn
That’s him librarian vortigaunt
? grandmaster vold
storm jungle
hes making a half life reference!
rose thorn
Aldrik Voldus, Warden of the Librarius, wields more psychic might than any Grey Knight seen in centuries. The very air crackles around as he focuses his mind and bends the colossal energies of the warp to his will. With a word, purifying flames pour forth from the head of his ornate Nemesis Daemon hammer – the Malleus Argyrum – turning Chaos-tainted flesh bone and armour into pillars of ash. Heretic war engines halt as their twisted machine spirits are rent from their chassis. In Voldus’ grip reality constricts, and the helms of his enemies are crushed by invisible force; just as easily can Voldus sharpen the minds of his fellow Grey Knights, allowing them to channel their reserves into strikes that can bring low all but the largest of Daemons.
dusk patrol
Ok ChatGPT
rose thorn
LMAO
arctic talon
Imperial Knights
Heard that a new type of armiger is coming.
Imperial Knights codex may be back-to-back with Chaos Knights.
has heard variant Questoris Knights for both IK and CK.
Imperial Knights; massive shield-generator variant on Questoris body that was previously mentioned.
okay
thats all the unresolved valrak shit
lol
sly ivy
Man did all that shit just to compensate cause his mama went and named him Aldrik
arctic talon
I am not reposting
Unless you want to have all the upcoming space wolves mini releases
known now
rose thorn
Imperial Knights
Heard that a new type of armiger is coming.
Imperial Knights co...
gotcha
raven stone
Imperial Knights
Heard that a new type of armiger is coming.
Imperial Knights co...
In b4 armiger is just GW going “the one Forgeworld Armiger has earned codex protected status”
rose thorn
pull the trigger
arctic talon
In b4 armiger is just GW going “the one Forgeworld Armiger has earned codex prot...
it may be
we dunno lol
Valrak has been
very accurate this edition
storm jungle
Imperial Knights
Heard that a new type of armiger is coming.
Imperial Knights co...
Thanks this is useful
arctic talon
he has had 2 misses total
storm jungle
fucking hate valrak's yapping videos
raven stone
interesting
rose thorn
any news on an imperial knight starter box?
arctic talon
No
rose thorn
damn it
green loom
There's this guy in one of the reddit servers that always has a neat summary of the rumours from Valrak ready
So we just don't have to watch lol
rose thorn
the christmas one got bought up to hell because it had 4 arminegrs in it
storm jungle
I assume he just has a friend in-studio, he probably sometimes posts wrong rumors so his pal doesnt get in trouble
arctic talon
er summeries
green loom
Joe my beloved
storm jungle
LOL
green loom
That guy is tapped into news everywhere it's kinda scary
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
slave discord mod uprising
but I think for Blood and Zeal he likely saw the armaggedon promo shots
or in some really shitty quality
but yeah Valrak has been as accurate as the uh
infamous 9e leaker
that got literally everything but CSM bikers and Tau kroot correct
except Tau kroot came out later
and everyone thought that dude was a liar because he had an entire portion about how Squats were coming back LOL
rose thorn
so knights are getitng an arminger?
and ck are getting melee wpeaon
me hoka
and maybe a shield kngiht
arctic talon
so knights are getitng an arminger?
Knights are getting an armiger + questoris apparently
and CK are getting a questoris with a big melee weapon
rose thorn
honestly, its really hard for me to complain ebcause we also get the HH releases
arctic talon
Knights get to double dip yeah LOL
rose thorn
im scared gw might take that away
arctic talon
They said they wouldn’t
Imo if they put the plastic fw knights
Into the codex
They’re safe imo
rose thorn
i dont htink tehyw ere in last ediitons codex
they are in the current index
jesus christ sir hekhtur jumpscare
ofiically the hh knights are in the imperial armour
hallow saddle
I assume he just has a friend in-studio, he probably sometimes posts wrong rumor...
yeah he absolutely has at least one source in the warhammer studio
GW seething
tough haven
I have a character idea for a blood axe mercenary who got electrocuted by a corpuscarii electro priest and started having radical ideas about how Ork-kind should be ran, and was cast out for it. He believes these to be visions from Gork (or was it Mork? he can’t remember) and has decided to krump warbands of short sighted orks to prove he’s the most brutally kunnin’ and thus should be in charge. And he’s not above teaming up with Humies or whoever will lead to him beating bigger orks and WAAAGHs to cement his supposed superiority (and maybe filch some flash gear)
Thoughts?
opaque coyote
I have a character idea for a blood axe mercenary who got electrocuted by a corp...
The problem is that Orks are actually willing to work with humies.
They just predictably betray them later.
Cause they wanna fight
tough haven
The problem is that Orks are actually willing to work with humies.
They just pr...
Oh yeah that’s totally a possibility, just gotta make sure to find him a interesting enough fight
I’m just trying to come up with justification for an Ork character to fight against orks with humans or like the tau for example
opaque coyote
I mean arguably it would be harder to make up a justification for the humans/T'au to accept
Unless if it's literally like
A Tyranid invasion type of shit
tulip sand
What are the lore chances of my ogryn self insert character getting promoted to sororitas foot cleaner
And would that make grendyl a radical or puritan inquisitor
opaque coyote
I’m just trying to come up with justification for an Ork character to fight agai...
How about making like
Actual long lasting trade deals as his quirk
Basically
"Weapons great"
"Not krump humies to make more weapons!"
opaque coyote
Could have Orks using Daemon Weapons if they make a deal with the Dark Mechanicus
tulip sand
I feel like maybe a warboss or someone could be turned away from human worlds to fight something like the tyrannids if you can convince them that its a better and longer fight
And if the enemy is close enough
tough haven
I thought it would be interesting to make like a Darwinian Ork, killing off other orks thinking that if he can beat them, he’s weeding out out the weak and making orks stronger in general, and if one beats him, than his death would benefit Ork-kind
opaque coyote
I thought it would be interesting to make like a Darwinian Ork, killing off othe...
That's
Already the Ork default tho
tough haven
Yeah true
opaque coyote
Having an Ork with actual long term planning does sound unique
Like enough to trade with Humies/T'au/etc.
rose thorn
How are space wolf fans
This looks like utter shit to me lmao
But what’s thier opinion on things
someone please tell me the difference between
Blood claws
And grey hunters
rose thorn
Oh
arctic talon
Space wolves don’t follow the normal scout -> dev -> assault -> tactical
They go
Bloodclaw -> skyclaw/grey hunter -> long fangs(devestators) -> wolf scouts
Skyclaws are jump pack marines and grey hunters are “normal” marines
rose thorn
Ah
rose thorn
Blood claws
Also I swapped the two pictures for the meme
rose thorn
spare osprey
But what’s thier opinion on things
They like it
arctic talon
I’ve seen very few space wolf fans dislike the new stuff
rose thorn
Ah okay, I remember BA fans didn’t like the new stuff
rose thorn
Lmao
arctic talon
Well
spare osprey
I’ve seen dark angels fans upset that they got wolf priests before interrogator chaplains
spare osprey
I’ve seen dark angels fans upset that they got wolf priests before interrogator ...
That’s really it
arctic talon
BA players liked the uh
The priest, the named characters and the captain
Everything else
Uh
rose thorn
I’ve seen dark angels fans upset that they got wolf priests before interrogator ...
But, interrogator chaplins are just chaplins
arctic talon
Death company bits were cool but not a good replacement
spare osprey
Horrible sanguinary guard
rose thorn
They are like, fine to me
spare osprey
THEY TOOK THEIR NIPPLES
rose thorn
I really do like the skull helmet
arctic talon
Interrogator chaps are gona come back inevitably
rose thorn
I wish every space wolf wore one
Idk the wolf helmet as so much it broke space wolves into me liking them in HH
But 40K doenst have them
arctic talon
Idk the wolf helmet as so much it broke space wolves into me liking them in HH
The wolf helmet exists in 40k
Btw
But it’s a thing for veterans
rose thorn
I know but I’m not buying them so I can pretend to like an army
arctic talon
Then don’t like them tbh, it’s fine to dislike how some armies look imo
rose thorn
It’s really dumb to the point I like it, same reason I don’t hate bonesplittaz
arctic talon
Lol
rose thorn
The 40K takes it self too seriously for how terrible their lore is
That part at the end with the shadow was so fucking funny
Of the stream
It’s just the basic space marine art silhouette
arctic talon
The 40K takes it self too seriously for how terrible their lore is
What?
rose thorn
The uh
arctic talon
The reveal stream?
arctic talon
I think.
arctic talon
Skulls should be in April lol
arctic talon
If it’s the same month as last year
rose thorn
rose thorn
I was just, thinking about how funny it was
“The future” and it was a space marine to like, generate hype?
arctic talon
“The future” and it was a space marine to like, generate hype?
Yeah that was
Bad lol
rose thorn
They could have at least done a drukhari or anything
arctic talon
Tbh
Yeah
Because we know they’re coming LOL
It’s not a secret
Idk the ending thing was weird
I didn’t like it
There’s only going to be 2 factions missing codexes after this wave and we saw a teaser for one of them
So like just show a sillouete of a kabalite or some shit lol
dusk patrol
“The future” and it was a space marine to like, generate hype?
It’s a silhouette tease for Raven Guard
dusk patrol
They did the same with Space Wolves last time
They showed a silhouette of a piece of art
rose thorn
yea
rose thorn
It’s a silhouette tease for Raven Guard
insane that people can tract down the exact image
arctic talon
It’s gona be a character
dusk patrol
Along with Iron Hands getting a termie character and a sprue, and WS getting a jetbike dude and sprue.
arctic talon
I do wonder when the fuck Karandras
rose thorn
probably teh shadow masters for RG
rose thorn
what factiosn are gonna get an end of edition event?
eldar, one of teh space marine chapters
maybe csm and nids?
dusk patrol
I hope it’s Korvydae for RG
rose thorn
I hope it’s Korvydae for RG
hes the first captian right?
dusk patrol
Fake fan
dusk patrol
I real hater would know all of their characters to hate better
rose thorn
i only know the gods they are all based off of
i almost want the thor guy to get a new model
because hes such a
hm
blantant character?
ARJAC
arctic talon
what factiosn are gonna get an end of edition event?
All we know so far is eldar
rose thorn
should i pick up boarding patrol demons?
dusk patrol
No
rose thorn
okay
storm jungle
rose thorn
trying to determine if im just depressed or i dont like any 40k armies beisdes the most expensive ones
storm jungle
that happens to a lot of mini-goers sometimes, its prob the prior
rose thorn
ah okay
sharp pollen
mini-gooners?
sharp pollen
why wrong...
dusk patrol
mini-gooners?
vagrant fox
why collect minis when you could have white monster instead
sharp pollen
why collect minis when you can goon
vagrant fox
that's immoral
rose thorn
why collect minis when you could have white monster instead
one of my girlfriends does both
dusk patrol
vagrant fox
imagine the gee billy meme, apply it to this situation
that's what i'd post if I had the energy
arctic talon
she said the killteam looks liek shit but shes excited anwayy
I think the kill team looks great LOL
I feel like some people really don’t like servitors
rose thorn
i think they shoudl be painted iffernet
the gimp is a bit too much
i thinkt ehy should be paitned liek the necromunda ones
rose thorn
they are technically a greyknight unit
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
The GK units are gun servitors
rose thorn
they arent hte ones that came with the first born tech marines?
arctic talon
We’ve never had non gun servitors
arctic talon
they arent hte ones that came with the first born tech marines?
Those are gun servitors
rose thorn
yeah
arctic talon
But the new servitors are cool
We’ve never had non combat bulked servitor
We just have normal hordey combat servitor
rose thorn
omfg greyknights are the same models from 3rd i didnt even realize
OH HTEY WERE MADE ON THE YEAR OF MY BIRTH :3
the brother captaina nd stern are still around from 3rd
arctic talon
omfg greyknights are the same models from 3rd i didnt even realize
Some are 5e 
rose thorn
yeah, i got confsued becasue the 3rd ediiton and 5th look exactly the same
arctic talon
For leaked SW minis || - new Logan Grimnar (as previously mentioned), no longer on sled, larger base alongside some Fenrisian Wolves
- new Njal Stormcaller
- new Arjac Rockfist
- new generic Wolf Priest, unclear on loadout / armour
- new Space Wolf Lieutenant model (multiple weapon options)
- new HQ / Elite Guard unit (Bladeguard-styled, but with Fenrisian wolves)
- new Wolf Scouts (also with a Fenrisian wolf attached)
- new Terminator Wolf Guard unit (similar to Deathwing Knights)
- new Blood Claws
- new Grey Hunters||
A lot lmao
rocky gale
So GW are putting 100% of their effort into Space Marines (Except Blood Angels)
arctic talon
Lol
green loom
Well we've got half that list
They're either getting models for the campaign, a 2nd wave, or both
arctic talon
LOL
anyways uh
my heart goes out to GK players
for GW saying "we have an update"
and the panning over to a fucking dreadknight
with an upgrade sprue
sly ivy
and the panning over to a fucking dreadknight
I literally loled
rocky gale
Grey Knights were like the one Space Marine faction that really needed a range refresh and it's somehow the only one that isn't getting one
arctic talon
it has to be next eidtion
there is literally 0 chance
that it isn't
next edition lol
GW literally has
nothing left
sly ivy
Like that would be the shitpoast funny outcome I’d have constructed de novo
arctic talon
to update enmass
rose thorn
do you think it’s gonna be mroe units or refresh of old units
arctic talon
refresh
versed ledge
Y'all supposed the pox walkers we smoke, stay dead? grandpappy Nurgle is anything but wasteful, and unless the walkers are shot to high hell with energy weapons or burned, there might be a possibility they'll "revive"
arctic talon
- new stuff
sly ivy
Refresh mostly
arctic talon
Y'all supposed the pox walkers we smoke, stay dead? grandpappy Nurgle is anythin...
They should mostly stay dead
rose thorn
They did?
rose thorn
I have no clue because i can’t tell them apart
arctic talon
with a bunch of the old DWK and DW terminators
and then in 10e we got new DWK and DW terminators
lol
rose thorn
with a bunch of the old DWK and DW terminators
They had terms?
arctic talon
it was the shared vashtor box
rocky gale
Yea they make boxes full of old models they want to get rid of and then bring out the new models
rose thorn
it was the shared vashtor box
Huh
arctic talon
Its a big dump of stuff
rose thorn
OH
arctic talon
imo its a sign
lol
GK are absolutely getting an update next edition
I'd assume they're splitting purifiers/purgitation squads
into their own uh dual build
since they're ranged focus
rocky gale
It's like how they released the Lion with standard Bladeguard and everyone went "Huh that's weird, why doesn't he get custom bodyguards" and then 6 months later they released his custom bodyguard
rose thorn
Wait, do uh, green marines not use termies?
rocky gale
Which green ones?
rose thorn
Dark angels
rocky gale
Dark Angels have an entire third of their faction dedicated to Termies
okay so, dark angels don’t use terms, deathwatch use terms
rose thorn
I mean death wing
rose thorn
Ohhhhhh I though they were their own chapter
arctic talon
yeah the dark angels have the ravenwing and deathwing
who are colored differently but are their 1st and 2nd company
rose thorn
Can chapters, do that???
arctic talon
Yeah
they can just color companies differently
its not codex complient but its not illegal
rose thorn
Neat
arctic talon
Its normally only seen in DA and their successors
but there's a few other chapters I forget who do this
rocky gale
Green DA are the regular ones, Ravenwing have Black armour and they use the vehicles, Deathwing have Bone armour and they're Termies
green loom
BA do it too
rocky gale
All are DA
green loom
1st company and Death Company
arctic talon
oh yeah all of BA 1st company got gold helmets
arctic talon
Sanguinary guard are honor guard, they get an exception
honor guard get some funky schemes
green loom
But yeah it's hardly unheard of
Formation wise you've mostly got freedom to do whatever
opaque coyote
Having an idea of the Khornate PMC
I was thinking of it being mostly humans.
Like Xenos are allowed to join but they realize that uh
Joining a group of ravenous murderers probably isn't the best use of your time lmao
rose thorn
Lmao
winter vessel
One primarch and four colors of Crayola crayons did this
arctic talon
goes hard
rocky gale
Having an idea of the Khornate PMC
I was thinking of it being mostly humans.
L...
Might be a good idea to look into the Reaver archetype from "Rogue Trader: Hostile Acquisitions" for inspiration/reference
It's also got this baller artwork
crystal forum
GW would sell this as a limited edition map that sells out in 5 seconds
storm jungle
100%
you saw the shit they were selling as limited edition on the stream yesterday so like lol
vagrant fox
yea babey
storm jungle
arctic talon
hey
if GW sold a map of the 40k galaxy
with every planet/sector they've written about on it
I'd buy it
crystal forum
that map would be gigantic
arctic talon
yeah
storm jungle
yeah but elite you miss the point
arctic talon
and it would be fucking awsome
storm jungle
that map is actually useful and cool as a concept
compared to like other limited edition garbage
"OMG A FUCKING ARTWORK ON MY COVER PAGE"
literally the most mid art ever
arctic talon
God I wish Riot sold this map physically lol
rocky gale
They'll make a map of the galaxy that's limited edition, costs £400 and doesn't have any names or markings on it
storm jungle
LOL
rocky gale
But it will come in a cool scroll case
storm jungle
Yeah see Iarmoth gets the GW way
crystal forum
and fake leather
rocky gale
Fake leather is essential
storm jungle
they really make the most whatever/ugly af special edition case and people buy it in droves
crystal forum
one more dust collector for the gooner shelf
rose thorn
God I wish Riot sold this map physically lol
Did, rhey, map out the flow of the ocean
arctic talon
Did, rhey, map out the flow of the ocean
yes
rose thorn
W,why
arctic talon
also for a futher breakdown of environmental tempatures
arctic talon
its farther south
storm jungle
Did, rhey, map out the flow of the ocean
because League is gay!!!
arctic talon
Runeterra(the map) is in the norther hemisphere
sacred bluff
arctic talon
the continents here aren't the only ones
there's more nations and continents elsewhere
crystal forum
wolf do you play lol
crystal forum
i have lost respect in you
crystal forum
deduct one life point
crystal forum
im a lover not a fighter
arctic talon
anyways here's what the actual map looks like
crystal forum
why is 30% of the map just snow
crystal forum
is it so they could make the image fit normal ratio without showing what's in the south
crystal forum
i will go with my idea
arctic talon
I still find it funny piltover and zaun are so small they don't even get a territory coloration
tiny ass city states
storm jungle
yeah when you place this on a globe it looks a bit better-ish
but holy fuck those ice caps
arctic talon
I would like a full world map someday but that is extremely unlikely
I'm happy with what exists
rose thorn
I still find it funny piltover and zaun are so small they don't even get a terri...
What’s with the unclaimed stuff?
rocky gale
I assume either disputed territory or uninhabitable
storm jungle
yeah and remember not every territory is owned by a faction
some are just wilderness
young pecan
I want more Ionia and Karma content
She's a really cool concept and in lore one R'd Q nukes hundreds of Noxian soldiers
arctic talon
What’s with the unclaimed stuff?
Independent city states, wilderness, uninhabitable areas
green loom
Yeah there's a handful of kingdoms/countries between Noxus/Demacia too
rose thorn
I got a 71 on my chem test what should I buy to celebrate
opaque coyote
So what are the most like
Developed planets in 40k. (by developed I mean with the most detail and lore)
Necromunda is one
Would Terra count?
Like I know we got a lot of lore in 30k but does 40k have any like
Major differences and details
storm jungle
lorewise its Necromunda
its the most lored-out planet
its been around since like the 80's and the 2018 revamp of the setting fleshed out the setting very thoroughly, it'd take you weeks to cram most of the notes into a wikipage because almost every single rulebook release has some new lore lol
storm jungle
Lmfao yeah
storm jungle
yeah im not even exaggerating when i say every new munda book has some new lore
its prob my favorite sub-setting in 40k
always something new with the narrative always having consequences etc
raven stone
Munda books are good lore books for Hive Worlds in general
One of few worlds unique to 40k setting.
Others being Forgeworld and maybe Feudal Worlds.
The lack of Feudal Worlds is a it disappointing, would always be nice to see the contrast between a medieval kingdom and 40k stuff.
Also, @storm jungle imagine if they did a Munda expansion covering Tertium like Wrath and Glory did…
storm jungle
man i wish
but alas too much effort
I agree though yeah Munda's main principle is also giving you the sandbox to either adhere to the setting you wanna make on another planet homebrew wise or just play around on Necromunda itself as a planet
arctic talon
Also, <@166943308231344128> imagine if they did a Munda expansion covering Terti...
Munda wouldn't work with tertium is the thing
They'd need their own game system
I wouldn't say no to cubicle 7 making a supplement for maledictum for Darktide though
rose thorn
Batman ninja vs Japanese yakuza
The new Batman movie
That looks like utter shit
But all dc 3d animation feels dated lmao
I only know 1 person who saw it
dapper gyro
Vraks would be 2nd to Necromunda, mostly because of the number of wars on it.
arctic talon
Vraks would be 2nd to Necromunda, mostly because of the number of wars on it.
Nah
vraks aint got shit
compared to some other planets
dapper gyro
https://tenor.com/view/running-batman-ninja-gif-12926253
WTF is this?
green loom
Batman Ninja
arctic talon
We had 2 campaign books on it
dusky scroll
So Big E is the biggest psychologist in 40k? Not even Eldars have anything equivalent?
dapper gyro
You mean psychic?
dapper gyro
Psychologist is something completely different and Big E is very bad at it.
dapper gyro
Lol, he just told him "I'm fucking done, you do the rest."...
dusky scroll
Well he ain't have time for breathing exercises
vagrant fox
Currently the Eldar are very limited with their psychic abilities because it's very dangerous for them, before the whole fall of the empire it wouldn't surprise me if they could've bullied the emperor
Some Necron saying Mephiston is a party clown compared to what the eldar could do at their height, somewhere
I forgot the novel
dusky scroll
Currently the Eldar are very limited with their psychic abilities because it's v...
Wait... Big E unified humanity after Slaanesh birth?
vagrant fox
Yea
Not so about current power rankings, Eldrad could probably do some wild things but best not. Not sure if the hive mind counts
arctic talon
Wait... Big E unified humanity after Slaanesh birth?
Yes, the great crusade was made possible by it
storm jungle
Yeah Slaanesh's birth blew away the warp-storms seperating human settlements
dusky scroll
I see
Thanks
I always wondered about what Humanity was like during the Age of Tech. All I was told was 1 line, "it was deep sci-fi".
arctic talon
It’s not important really
We know it was really high tech
And humanity wasn’t super unified
dusky scroll
Uh.... Wasn't humanity disunited during the age of strife? Why would humanity not be united during Age of tech?
vagrant fox
Some vague federation of independent systems
It seems to have been loosely united, everyone kind of doing their thing but sorta sticking together
Then it all fell apart, what with ai and warp storms and unknowns
dusky scroll
So they were independent but not in active hostility with each other?
raven stone
I would say think of it as a…federation of sorts.
vagrant fox
It's a bit vague but I imagine so. But they did develop some devastating weapons for some reason or another
Could just be to take shots at orks who knows
raven stone
Actually, you could consider looking up a TRPG called Eclipse Phase.
Supposedly independent game, but background is suspiciously fitting for Dark Age of Technology.
storm jungle
Uh.... Wasn't humanity disunited during the age of strife? Why would humanity no...
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DAOT was essentially High Sci-fi™️ Star Trek, people just did what they wanted across the galaxy, sometimes warring with each other, sometimes fucking around in genetics or making superweapons or turning entire planets into amusement parks for experiments, it was a loose coalition/federation of enclaves that largely just were dependant on STCs/AI while sticking to their own lanes.
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You give way too much credit to us, look at the world now, we can barely unite in any means over ideological differences and other random bullshit, even in a utopia there will always be division to some degree.
vagrant fox
They had some wild tech, it was probably very nice until it went bad
storm jungle
Yeah lore from multiple rulebooks just says they used them on each other just as much as aliens/people they didnt like or just invented them for fun.
which tbh again looking at today checks out lol
raven stone
Incidentally.
At least one architect who was slightly learned in 40k lore has implied Hive cities are the hellholes they are now because during the DAoT, they had AI managing the population and internal structures of the Hive Cities.
Make of that what you will.
storm jungle
Hive cities are nightmarish as they are tbh, its mostly a mix of architecture, the way they were constructed and awful human management
human beings are not really made to live like that
vagrant fox
Why else have ships with weirdass black hole laser weapons or whatever it was. You gots to use it on someone
storm jungle
storm jungle
Why else have ships with weirdass black hole laser weapons or whatever it was. Y...
exactly
big super-weapon go pew pew
raven stone
Basically even during DAoT humans were not necessarily all peaceful.