40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

to get whatever they want

[fallow rover]

Whats the first one? Raptors?

Also whats wrong with imp fists' fanbase /genq

[arctic talon]

And they help the adminstratum murder people sometimes

[rose thorn]

That’s pretty common

[vagrant fox]

suck my jorts i do what i want

[arctic talon]

they do actually partcipate in campaigns without the high lords saying shit

[fallow rover]

Is it?

[arctic talon]

Badab was one of those times

[rose thorn]

In terms of mixed marines

[arctic talon]

same with The war of the beasts

[barren prawn]

" be my Minotaur" is this a booktok thing? should i be scared or horrified?

[arctic talon]

Ignore the fact they turn tail and ran

in The War of the beasts

after losing most of a company

[drifting cloud]

I like to think these would be the folks who are Emperor's Children sucessors

[rose thorn]

What chapters do you like?

[dapper gyro]

I think the meme status from the Minotaur is mostly from some of the "Chapter master stronger than named Custodes" meme.

[arctic talon]

^it is

[rose thorn]

/warbands/legions

[arctic talon]

people fucking

Are so obssessed with that

you want to know ohw many duals Moloch has actually won in lore

2

he's lost like 14

LOL

[storm jungle]

Nothing bad jokes aside, IF fans just think they are mostly hot shit and it annoys a few people when in reality they are just very "basic" as far as Marine chapters go, they kinda got a cool look and thats about it.

They got a big popularity surge due to the HH/Siege making them have action movie one liners and scenes among other shit but they are still kinda whatever for a good majority of the fanbase who only like them on a surface level while calling themselves "hardcore fans" of the Chapter.

[arctic talon]

Moloch constantly gets his ass kicked

he is literally a bully

[fallow rover]

Uhhhhhh
Pssssshhuuuhhhmmm raptors are cool

[arctic talon]

he jumps people with 10 other terminators

thats how he wins

[rose thorn]

If your ever stuck on an identity, just combine stuff you like

[arctic talon]

his actual wins in duals

[rose thorn]

Raptors are ultra marines plus Raven guard

[arctic talon]

are against, another SM in normal power armor

and a Deathguard dude

[storm jungle]

Ironically really good advice for making a Chapter

[arctic talon]

like

he does not win duals at all

its so fucking funny

[rose thorn]

SoP are EC and uhhhhhhhh

[arctic talon]

he only wins when he's jumping people

[fallow rover]

Cool

[spare osprey]

IMPERIAL FISTS

[rose thorn]

Thank you

[arctic talon]

Moloch looks so scary

[rose thorn]

I can’t remember IF for the life of me

[arctic talon]

he acts terrifying

but he's kind of a paper tiger

[drifting cloud]

I'm a fan of Reasonable Marines, and a homebrew chapter called The Lords of Thunder (look them up on twitter; the artist is incredible)

[arctic talon]

who bites off way more then he can choose

[rose thorn]

I call them ‘dornies’

[arctic talon]

Ah yes I can win against a necron lord

[spare osprey]

fair

[barren prawn]

is the artist resonable?

[arctic talon]

gets fucking gutted and dumped into space

[rose thorn]

Probably because all the cool IF are black Templars

[spare osprey]

on occasion

[arctic talon]

tries to fight a WE warlord

gets his ass beaten

[dapper gyro]

I hate the IF fans so much despite being a IF fan.

[rose thorn]

Most homebrew tbh

[storm jungle]

most realistic space marine fanview ngl

[storm jungle]

Also yep

[arctic talon]

Homebrew is just putting stuff you like together

which is why my homebrew mechanicus explorator fleet are a bunch of psychopaths

[drifting cloud]

is that just being a Black Templar fan?

[arctic talon]

No

[spare osprey]

for better or worse

[arctic talon]

being a BT fan is like playing a game of mine field

of if the fellow fan is a nazi or normal

[rose thorn]

My city of sigmar is depression and water

[spare osprey]

surprise, you're all nazis

[arctic talon]

💀

[dapper gyro]

No, I'm more on Crismson Fists.

[drifting cloud]

I thought that was Krieg

[dapper gyro]

They were the OG reasonable marines.

[rose thorn]

I saw someone who just, painted BT as IF and it worked surprisingly well

[arctic talon]

also my lord the original executioners scheme looks like shit lol

[rose thorn]

God I love it

I love the old camo

[arctic talon]

BT and kreig both have the stereotpyical uh

bad fans

[rose thorn]

For space marines

[arctic talon]

now granted

I've met like

0 weird Krieg or BT fans irl

the most foul 40k fan I met irl was an ork player

[rose thorn]

Also I love the old ash waste camo

[arctic talon]

who painted his Orks

a certian way

[young pecan]

He raised his fist, his Iron Fist,

[arctic talon]

based on a certian campaign

during a war

with a certian angry austrian man

[spare osprey]

dude my brother joined me to go into a warhammer shop once and walked out with a stormcast homebrew where the leader was raised by orks

it was interesting

[vagrant fox]

The only Krieger fan I've met is just kind of slow and gormless

[arctic talon]

Oruuks 🤓

not Orks

[storm jungle]

wrong franchise!!!

https://tenor.com/view/iron-fist-marvel-rivals-marvel-rivals-gif-12780761128257719697

[drifting cloud]

see i get that; but I thought for sure those folks would be all over chapters like Night Lords or Emperor's Children

[rose thorn]

Gorruks or morruks?

[arctic talon]

nah

because NL and EC fans

[dapper gyro]

I think the Custodes only make those comments to mock him and make him feel better about himself.

[spare osprey]

just call me grummz and get it over with

[young pecan]

Probably because Krieg already has a stereotype that makes people not want to be a fan of it IRL

[arctic talon]

don't pretend they're correct

they're based

and pretend they like to skin babies

[rose thorn]

Also I legit think that perosn is a mod of the stormcast discord

[arctic talon]

and turn people into drugs

[arctic talon]

i've met like 3 people who actually play kreig and they're all normal

[arctic talon]

nah

[rose thorn]

That’s someone of the stormcast discord’s stormforge

[spare osprey]

the thicker ones, so Gorruks i think?

[arctic talon]

You didn't call 40k Orks Orcs

[rose thorn]

Yee

[arctic talon]

that is the true sin

also you're not a grifter

or are you

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-side-eye-car-pull-off-gif-16564232493624591747

[dapper gyro]

Nah, most of those people still want to be on the good guy side, hence their pretentious nature.

[rose thorn]

Orcs is old world
40K is orks
AOS is orruks (or gorruks for ironjawz and morruks for kruleboyz or dead for bonesplittaz)

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106904052165517363/1348230756178333706/cb6732abe2ada18ba671d9bd012611642be57a5be0d61399b7bdc9c23797455e_1.mp4?ex=67e1d2fd&is=67e0817d&hm=4ee9620ea0a020b65ed5592a26adfbce5a0cc3017c065389931d5c78f297cb6d&

[rose thorn]

_hahahhahdbrnnaHABEUvwjdb

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1314744803497611415/sussy_af_fam.mp4?ex=67e14ac3&is=67dff943&hm=343160306a847d20445b3612e87d3fb53b470bf404ba0ab750a47f60660c42f9&

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Thats mine

[arctic talon]

yes

and I love it

[rose thorn]

LMAOOOO

[drifting cloud]

but there are no good guys in 40k; that's the point. everyone is aweful in different flavors

[spare osprey]

there's no actual look for the men of iron, so i can say this is canon right

dark angels deploying the men of iron

[arctic talon]

I mean

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

I think it needs more limbs

to be accurate to how the Excindo are described

[dusk patrol]

Tbf the other most popular opinion on 40klore besides endlessly talking about the primarchs is that the primarchs shouldn’t be as important as they are

[spare osprey]

AH HA

[dapper gyro]

Only if you give nobody an excuse. However, it is not how the fanbase rolls with it.

[dusk patrol]

They don’t see the irony in this

[drifting cloud]

fair fair

[spare osprey]

no no

[storm jungle]

UAAAGHHHHHHHHHHH

[arctic talon]

I need to find the baby incinerator

thing

one moment

[spare osprey]

the imperium is actually good

cause they're humans

duh

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

also top post

THEY LITERALLY SAY THEY DONT CARE THEY GOT TRICKED IN THE FUCKING BOOKS

CANT YOU GOOGLE ONE GODDAMN THING

💀

[arctic talon]

"But you could never fool yourself into thinking that aberrations didn’t exist, for the evidence was everywhere. Every city medicae facility had dedicated incinerators for infants"

[dapper gyro]

People are just as autistic as their faction of choice...

[vagrant fox]

Love me Imperium, love me atrocities that you cannot begin describing being done every day for the sake of being the good guys

[arctic talon]

he problem was where to draw the line. Mankind was a galactic species, one scattered across a million worlds. Some planets were high-grav, some low-grav. Some were poisonous hell-swamps, others regulated urban centres. That induced variation, melding and stretching the original physical frame of humanity. Some mutations were deemed so common and benign that they were sanctioned, creating the abhuman class. Some subtle alterations were hard to detect, even by the individuals in question. So what was a true mutation, and what was merely an environmental adaptation? No doubt scholars on Terra spent their lives codifying answers. On a backwater world like Alecto, such certainty was harder to come by.

Zidarov remembered attending a case when he’d still been a sanctioner – the armed wing of the enforcer corps – out at one of the mercantile port hubs. A big cargo carrier had ended up berthed in Alecto’s voidspace, and its crew had come down planetside for a little rest and relaxation before the next stage. That had been a mistake – their skin was a touch too grey-tinged, their mouths a little too wide. Word got out, and a mob gathered. By the time Zidarov’s squad was activated, it was too late – the ringleaders had stormed the compound and dragged the crew out onto the streets. Thirty men and woman, burned alive, screaming their innocence as the promethium-fuelled flames turned them to fatty, blackened meat-strips.

No one faced retribution for that. There were too many in the crowds, thousands by the end. In any case, most of the sanctioners on duty had been sympathetic.

‘You never know,’ one of them had muttered to Zidarov, looking grimly at the smouldering pyres.

‘Maybe they were.’ Zidarov hadn’t disagreed. Better safe than sorry, he’d found himself thinking. Let a mutant in, just one, and you could lose it all. Keep them out. Keep them all out.

Still, it had been hard to listen to the screams. Particularly the juveniles. Hard to shake those off.

[spare osprey]

jesus

[rose thorn]

“Hey guys, why are there 40 thousand hammers?”

[spare osprey]

will they ever rename it warhammer 42k?

[arctic talon]

me watching my Shas'o get dragged away by some water caste dude in a mask for saying he didn't like Aun'va

[dapper gyro]

40K is already in 41K since the 1st edition.

[arctic talon]

41k would be accurate

[rose thorn]

OH ‘HOW KNOT TO PAINT WARHAMMER’ IS CALLED THAT NOT BECAUSE HES A FURRY BUT HIS LAST NAME IS KNOTLEY OHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[arctic talon]

💀

[rose thorn]

https://vincentknotley.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/bone-and-green-ash-waste-nomads-shadar-hunter-necromunda-colour-paint-scheme-recipe-40k.png?w=1024

I’m so stupid lmao

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-what-are-you-talking-about-what-the-fuck-are-you-talking-about-gif-15537943

[opaque coyote]

"What should we do? We can't exterminatus the planet, it's too important! All the Space Marines, they're dying!"

"...then we have to deploy Freddy Fazbear."

"What? You sure there is a a better option? A Titan Squad? Maybe a Space Marines Legion?"

"No. it is the only way. Emperor forgive me."

[rose thorn]

He’s like my favorite painter

[spare osprey]

wait so like

[dusk patrol]

I miss the old sub, it wasn’t perfect but

[rose thorn]

PLEASE HALF OF MY FRIENDS FURRIESSSS

[spare osprey]

is he telling me how to paint like him

or how to not paint

[dusk patrol]

Man

[rose thorn]

It’s how knot(ley) paints

[spare osprey]

ok ok

[rose thorn]

To paint like knotley

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-10120829523950533413

[rose thorn]

https://vincentknotley.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/necromunda-shadar-hunters-paint-scheme-colour-knotley-featured-image-2.png?w=1200&h=800&crop=1

Uhg it’s so good

[spare osprey]

oh ik that dude

yeah great stuff

[dapper gyro]

In the 42nd millennium, having thermal vision to see 1km is a huge advantage...
Me using thermal at 3km irl...

Love Reddit

[opaque coyote]

Tbf a lot of 40k tech fluff is just

Weird

[vagrant fox]

no. how come the emperor was stupid

[opaque coyote]

The Emperor was speedrunning and forgot to do a specific strat called "being a decent Dad"

[drifting cloud]

don't space marines naturally have thermal vision? like they are superhuman demi-god warriors. to be accurate to lore; one marine could easily solo an entire 100 man battalion of guardsmen

[dapper gyro]

The Big E has no dad. That's where it all went down hill.

[spare osprey]

nah see you get bonus time at the end if you neglect that path

it was smart in the end

[dapper gyro]

Only Sally. Most just have somewhat better eye sight.

[opaque coyote]

More importantly, the Emperor probably did fuck a man

[vagrant fox]

Lorepill me on the Emperor being a bad dad. Perturabo was ~53 when he was found

[dapper gyro]

Btw, wtf is 100 men battalion?

[opaque coyote]

Honestly.

Part of the reason why is because the Primarchs are man children.

They were all extremely good at any fields they applied themselves with, were extremely powerful, and could out do any regular person in just about anything

[rocky gale]

100 men is like a Company

[spare osprey]

tbf you can still be bad dad when your kids are grown. but with like perty i'd say he fucked up just letting perty continue down his fucked path

[opaque coyote]

Combine that with some of them having downright awful upbringings and this causes their maturity to be less than ideal

[spare osprey]

letting him kill so many of his sons slide

and such

[drifting cloud]

oopsie

[opaque coyote]

Also this.

Like I remember stories of like

Parents literally stalking their children while they're dating...

At age like 25

[spare osprey]

mhm

[rocky gale]

Battalions are made up of multiple Company's, depending on which army it can be like from 500 to 1000 men, think in the British army it's around 700

[dapper gyro]

Anyhow, if the 100 men know that they are fighting an SM and have access to heavy weapons, the SM might be able to beat half of them at best.

[spare osprey]

which then fucked up perty's sons

so it was a very bumpy cycle

[opaque coyote]

Even if they just have Lasguns there's still a good chance of them like

Getting a lucky shot and killing the SM

Although this also depends since SMs could do guerilla warfare

If it was an open field obviously the 100 men have the advantage though

[drifting cloud]

so let's go space marine logic. A chapter is equal to a battalion, so an even 1,000. 10 companies, each company is about 100 strong.

so guardsmen would want to emulate that; but just up the number of battalions to make a regiment

got it

[dapper gyro]

SM doesn't work with normal people logic in 40k, and far from real life logic.

In Commonwealth, it is usually:
Individual
Fireteam
Group
Section
Platoon
Company
Battalion
Regiment
Battle group

Each of that is x2 to x3 to jump a scale level

[vagrant fox]

I just haven't read more than the 8 Horus Heresy books that I had an interest in. Might have been something I didn't know. At least Horus was found early and turned out decent* until the poop knifing

[spare osprey]

poop knifing

[vagrant fox]

A beloved staple

[arctic talon]

Plague weapon

[rose thorn]

I really really like my city of sigmar lore but I can’t tell if it’s making sense or not

[raven stone]

Woooo Thursday previews from Adepticon

Methinks the Grey Knights are incoming…

[rose thorn]

If grey knights get a refresh update I’d cry so hard

But it’s WE and 1k sons

[opaque coyote]

I cannot take sigmar seriously because I keep thinking of those stupid "sigma male" type memes

[rose thorn]

AGE OF SIGMAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/sigmar-sigmar-cash-warhammer-gif-14388898

[sacred bluff]

THEY MIGHT WITH grey knight omnibus getting released in june/july

[dusk patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/18n5qfu/fall_of_cadia_a_chaos_lord_and_daemon_prince/

[rocky gale]

I discovered earlier that Wracks are "Sold out" on the GW webstore and on every major 3rd party store in the UK, so it's very possible they've been pulled ahead of an update

[hallow saddle]

either that or everyone's bought them to convert with EC

[rocky gale]

and since Drukhari aren't in the roadmap yet it's probably going to be Killteam

[hallow saddle]

that would be poggers

[vagrant fox]

The perverse at the end is always amusing

[hallow saddle]

i would think a ton of ppl have bought drukhari stuff to convert Flawless Blades for EC

and Fabius BIles, etc

[rocky gale]

Hmm

[hallow saddle]

but yeah IDK, good call still

wracks in kill team would be great

[rocky gale]

It's quite soon after the Mandrakes, but it also seems like Drukhari are going to be quite late with their codex this edition, so two Killteams might be their way of tiding the fans over.

[hallow saddle]

they may have just been pulled well in advance of the main drukhari release too

i dont think its unusual for stuff to disappear month and months in advance

[arctic talon]

Drukhari getting 3 killteams

Would be so funny

3 and a half if you count corsairs

[hallow saddle]

tyranids with 0

admech with 0 too i think maybe?

[rose thorn]

admech has 1 but it has liek 3 play sytles

[dusk patrol]

Always surprising how there’s not that many loyalist marine kill teams

But removing bespoke kinda messed up a lot of stuff

Which is the main issue rn, they just have to do the leg work to replace them

[arctic talon]

Admech has 1

[dusk patrol]

It’s a very hard game to balance

[arctic talon]

It’s 2 and they’re both quite fun

Tbh

[rocky gale]

Drukhari getting 3 Killteams would be peak

[hallow saddle]

whats the admech one?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re not bad

[arctic talon]

Hunter clade

[rocky gale]

and would make up for only having like 12 units in 40k

[hallow saddle]

ah okay

[arctic talon]

It has 3 distinct play styles being, objective focused very obnoxious stealth stuff, melee focused and KILL

Melee focused is def the worst one

But the team is quite good at killing

[hallow saddle]

is there like a kill team upgrade sprue or kill team models for it?

[arctic talon]

It’s a white dwarf team

So existing minis

[hallow saddle]

i guess thats what i meant

[arctic talon]

The thing is they’ll still get rules updates, it’s so weird from GW imo

The whole classified thing

Like ????

I don’t get it

[dusk patrol]

I don’t get it

I get KT is a nightmare to balance for

[arctic talon]

It’s not even a nightmare to balance for this edition

If they had said they’re cutting all support but what they have after they’re declassified

That would be more logical

But just saying oh yeah they’ll still get rule changes and updates you just can’t use them in tournaments is

So odd

[rose thorn]

its 3? scouts, phobos, and the angels of death

which are in the new starter set

[arctic talon]

I forgot about scouts

lol

they play nothing like conventional marines so I forgor

but yeah Scouts, phobos and basic marines

[dusk patrol]

Arresting scouts with my Arbites Killteam

[arctic talon]

real

[rose thorn]

real

[arctic talon]

I wish the arrest worked based on missing wounds

[dusk patrol]

Can’t arrest marines they’re a bit too scary but scouts

Scouts I can do

[rose thorn]

i love kroot eating like fuckking anything

its so fun

[dusk patrol]

Arbites arresting a Custodes

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rose thorn]

do kroto sitll have 2 killteams or is it jsut the one now?

[arctic talon]

kroot have 1

its just farstalkers

since GW killed all the non bespoke teams

[rocky gale]

Can Arbites arrest Nids?

[arctic talon]

Yes

well

they could

[rose thorn]

if nids had a killteam

[arctic talon]

you could arrest gaunts

and Genestealers

[rocky gale]

Oh right

[arctic talon]

but not Warriors

and yeah nids don't have a KT anymore

[rocky gale]

RIP

[arctic talon]

nids, grey knights, WE, daemons and EC

are all missing killteams

[rose thorn]

i cant wait for the next killteam reveal, maybe its naotehr guard vs guard box!

[rocky gale]

Damn Nid Warriors was one of my backup Killteams

[arctic talon]

Nids, GK and daemons

have no good proxies

WE and EC have really easy proxies

actually i guess GK do have 1 good proxy

Warpcoven LOL

[rocky gale]

Guess I don't need backups now though

[arctic talon]

Daemons I guess do technically have a KT

tbh

[rose thorn]

what?

[arctic talon]

gellarpox are daemons

[rose thorn]

oh

they are demons this edition?

[arctic talon]

Na

they've been daemons sincethye came out

[rose thorn]

i thought last edition they were just pox walkers

[arctic talon]

they're daemons posessing machines and possesed humans

Nah

they've never been pox walkers

[rose thorn]

they arent in the demons codex my bad

[arctic talon]

yeah they're odd

but they are daemons in lore

stuff like glitchlings and shit

[rose thorn]

40k has one demon lmao

good for them

oh and soulgrinders

they kept those

[arctic talon]

For daemons in 40k rn?

they're still pretty good

tbh

rip Karnak

karanak

[rose thorn]

its so weird

hes still avaliabelf or aos btw

[arctic talon]

but yeah the little creatures are daemons and the big ones are possesed machines + humans

[rose thorn]

i have NO fuckingly clue how the kt works for htem btw

its liek

20 guys

[arctic talon]

Tokens

lots and lots of tokens LOL

[rose thorn]

oH LMAO

do they use alot of tokens?

[arctic talon]

A lot of their units are also really weak

Glitchlings only got 3 wounds

[rose thorn]

ahh

[dusk patrol]

Custodes are fun, three extremely powerful units

[arctic talon]

Generally speaking most of their team is really weak fodder

[dusk patrol]

This causes balance issues

[arctic talon]

Custodes were really cool as a KT

they had way too many issues though

fucking 4APL was nightmarish

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Objective stuff they aren’t good cause too few units

[arctic talon]

If we do get another Custodes KT I want to see a mix of custodes and SoS tbh

[rocky gale]

Yea I don't need backups anymore, I think I have like uhhh 5 Killteams now

[arctic talon]

like 4 SoS and like 2 custodes or something

[dusk patrol]

Anything without objective you were shredding

[arctic talon]

the fact they had access to Search and Destroy was funny

[dusk patrol]

They need more less elite units

And have one Custodes dude

[rose thorn]

"man id lvoe an excuse to buy cultists! maybe i should try their killteam!"

its like 200 dollars lmao

[arctic talon]

looks at price tag

nevermind

just use cultists as blooded

tbh

[rocky gale]

The most inaccessible Killteam imaginable

[rose thorn]

they REALLY need to just rework that killteam

[arctic talon]

Nah

it works fine

[rocky gale]

Just need to buy 4 different boxes to get a single team

[arctic talon]

it should have a combo box though

its absurd it doesn't

the team is extremely fun + cool

[hallow saddle]

waht what?

for cultists?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

tbh ppl would jsut buy the killteam like twice for the CSM armies

[rocky gale]

The Cultist killteam, you need to buy a box of cultists, a box of accursed cultists and a Dark Commune box

[hallow saddle]

oh lol

[rose thorn]

and their stupid lil dekc thing

[arctic talon]

you don't need that

the rules are literally free

Idk why anyone would buy the fucking cards

you can literally make your own for a fraction of the cost lol

[rose thorn]

oh lmao, i thought you neede the cardboard things

[arctic talon]

nah

the tokens you need are like literally included with the core rulebook lmao

[rocky gale]

Was going to say Cultists of the Abyss if you want Cultists with firearms, but GW squatted that box

[arctic talon]

and you can also just make your own

[rose thorn]

FOR NO REASON RAGGHHH

[arctic talon]

Like just print out a piece of paper

and cut them up

[rose thorn]

ITS SUCH A GOOD NECROMUNDA BOX

[rocky gale]

Real glad I got it before they did

[arctic talon]

you have KT tokens now

[hallow saddle]

i have that box next to me

[arctic talon]

but then you have to play Helots

[rose thorn]

Very true

[rocky gale]

Now the flamethrower guy that was in the box costs more than the whole box did

[rose thorn]

WHATA

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

IT HGOUHT HE WAS LIEK 15 DOLLARS

[arctic talon]

lmao

I own like

3 of him

1 from BSF

and 2 from cultists of the abyss

for like assorted projects I had

[rocky gale]

Firebrand he's like £21

[rose thorn]

also i heard blackstone fortress is in hell

[arctic talon]

No its not

it ended

[rose thorn]

oh really?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rocky gale]

Cultist of the Abyss box was like £20

[arctic talon]

its been over for like

years

[rose thorn]

damn

[arctic talon]

we had the conclusion

it was a good ending

imo

[rose thorn]

cursed city just got reprinted

[arctic talon]

except for the people it wasn;t

BSF is still reprinted as well

its just that the expansions aren't

[hallow saddle]

BSF should have had a reprint

the expansions i mean

[arctic talon]

the expansions yeah I totally agree

[hallow saddle]

thyey were so limited

[rose thorn]

my lgs who doesnt even do much warhammer has liek 4 boxes

[arctic talon]

Escalation is so cool

Lair of the Ambull is funny

[rose thorn]

WHY IS ESCALATION IN HELL

[arctic talon]

the Archivest is wwhatever

[rose thorn]

AT LEAST LAIR OF THE AMBULL IS IN A SHITTY BOARDGAME

[arctic talon]

the missions suck

the mini is cool

[rose thorn]

ITS FOR NECROMUNDA

IT HAS RULES FOR NECROMUDNA

[arctic talon]

lol

the ambull?

unsurprising

[rose thorn]

YEA

[hallow saddle]

nah thats the ambot isn't it?

[rose thorn]

NO THE AMBULL HAS ITS OWN MISSION LINE

WHERE YOU GO AND STEAL EGGS

[hallow saddle]

that's cool

[arctic talon]

lol

that is

literally stealing from BSF

LOL

good mission

do the eggs hatch

[rose thorn]

ITS IN THE CORE RULEBOOK

[arctic talon]

if you take too long

[rose thorn]

yeah

[arctic talon]

good

[hallow saddle]

and to say the frickin Ambull box was so insanely limited

[arctic talon]

thats the best part lol

Ur-025 my beloved

[rose thorn]

my favoirte part is you are ifghitng anotehr person for htem

so 2 gangs fighitng while hte ambull is ripping and tearing

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

men of iron also have rules for necromunda...

and now ratlings have rules

gw really needs ot jsut repackage the ambul and men of iron for necromunda uhg

[arctic talon]

both the RT minis we got are so cool

[opaque coyote]

So ik this is literally unrelated to anything

But do y'all think this is a good deal?

[rose thorn]

does the 40k rules still let you use their weapon sets?

[arctic talon]

Ye

[rose thorn]

based

[arctic talon]

Pious Vorne and Taddeus both got hit with the

generification ray

same with Daedolus

but its fine

they're good sculpts

[hallow saddle]

eh, the gpu is kinda weak and 1200 is still a lot of money

depends if u desperately need a PC

[arctic talon]

imo gotfrei is inevtibly going to get hit by it

[opaque coyote]

I mean I am thinking of getting an upgrade so

[arctic talon]

oh yeah so did the psyker lady

[rose thorn]

i forgot were they both agents now or was one of them for sisters

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

Not desperate tho

[arctic talon]

both

they're for agents + SoB

different versions

[rose thorn]

crazy that the rules for this still exist but is only in sob

you could make a sob army with no sisters at this point tbh

if the new KT is sisters

and not agents

[arctic talon]

Amallyn's increase in breast size between her art and mini is always so cursed to me lol

[rose thorn]

crazy they didnt reuse her for eldar btw

[hallow saddle]

i dont think its a brilliant deal and the gpu is weak, i wouldnt buy that

[rose thorn]

as some generic sniper character

[arctic talon]

I think she'll get generified someday

but theree's one

tiny tiny tiny kind of huge issue

[hallow saddle]

also im assuming thats us dollars

[arctic talon]

she has the Beil'tan emblem sculpted into her cloak lol

[rose thorn]

whats that?

[arctic talon]

its a craftworld

she can't be genericified

[rose thorn]

OH THE GENOCIDE ONES

[arctic talon]

unless GW changes the mould

[rose thorn]

aka the best craft world

[arctic talon]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-huge-gif-21517341

[arctic talon]

[rose thorn]

has that actually ever stopped them?

[arctic talon]

Yes

she might become a named character for Beil'tan

which would be funny

[rose thorn]

also im suprsied htey didnt reuse the BSF kroot shaper for the new kroot army

ki mean

im ena

[arctic talon]

or they'll change the sculpt

[rose thorn]

update

[arctic talon]

before shoving her into a generic box

either one is as likely tbh

[rose thorn]

isnt she ||dead as shit||

[arctic talon]

no

[vagrant fox]

Hard to say without seeing all of the parts but it's on the okay side, assuming they haven't skimped on the motherboard and psu

[rose thorn]

oh really?

ice

[arctic talon]

you know its bad when one of the most common conversions for her is breast size reduction lmao

[arctic talon]

she fucked off from the BSF pre escalation

[rose thorn]

ahh

[arctic talon]

so she's not probably dead

unless she died on her way back to Beil'tan

[dusk patrol]

Pfft, jealous bitches

[rose thorn]

imperium faction loving genocide: CRINGE

xenos faction loving genocide: BASED

[arctic talon]

nah

both based

I LOVE MURDER

Janus Draik also canonically is behind all of the like

BSF character paintings lol

which is funny

because how the fuck did he get UR-025 to agree to get painted

[rose thorn]

it sso much more meaningful when genocide love murder, because they are so much smaller in the setting but decide "hating everyone is the only way to successed"

[arctic talon]

Like I can understand how he got literally anyone else

to let him draw them

but how did he make UR-025 decide to say yes

[rose thorn]

lmaO

oh yeah elite do you think warcry 3.0 is gonna get revealed and get killteam 2.0 ified

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

who knows

I think Warcry 3.0 is inevitable

I just don't know what htey'll do

[dapper gyro]

The girl has the hood/cloak that left her armoured bra exposed as if she doesn't have any thing else... HornyHammer at its finest.

[rose thorn]

they havent done the updates they usually do, and the 2 new factions from last year are UBER COMPLEX compared to like, anything from first edition

[arctic talon]

thats just eldar armor I'm ngl lol

Rangers kind of just have their like

chests out

male + female lol

[rose thorn]

they might do it like killteams an donly do the boxes plus WD stuff

which, i fianlly seen the light and warcry needs more complexity

[arctic talon]

holy based

Uh jokes aside I got no clue

[dapper gyro]

Yes, just that the robe ish thing makes it look confusing.

[arctic talon]

I just want warcry to live

[rose thorn]

me too

[arctic talon]

fair

Oh also uh

There's this one art

of taddeus arguing with Amallyn

and he's standing on a fucking box

so he can be face to face with her

[hallow saddle]

insecure

just embrace being a short king

[arctic talon]

The original BSF team are so funny

They all have their own little cliques

Grekh, Draik and Amallyn all get along

Taddeus and Vorne are best friends

[rose thorn]

most factions do have bespoke factions tbh, only slaanesh(unless they move the skin eating guys to slaanehs which they should), skaven (i imagine we will get an eshin warcry warband), idoneth (Who got special rules), ironjawz, gloomspite (who got special rules), SoB (nto gonna happen)

i think

i might have missed one

[arctic talon]

UR-025 and Rein and Rauss are pals who literally live together

[dapper gyro]

Me having average height, can't enjoy the tall privilege nor the short king camp...

[arctic talon]

And the navigator and draik get to be rich assholes together

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Ur-025 living with 2 ratlings is genuinely so funny

[rose thorn]

uhg i wanna play in (what ever the 40k ttrpg is called) RT party

[arctic talon]

Rogue trader?

[rose thorn]

i get teh 4 mixed up constnatly

i have no clue

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[hallow saddle]

wrath and glory? the new one?

[arctic talon]

Imperium maledictum also has rogue trader rules

[rose thorn]

which ever one had the rogue trader campaign rules

[arctic talon]

Oh

Rogue trader

[dusk patrol]

Haha, normie

[rose thorn]

oh okay lmao

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

But yeah the Bsf group are fun

Shame they’re uh

Not having a good time

Or dead

[rose thorn]

i heard maledictum is human only

[arctic talon]

It is

So far at least

[rose thorn]

cringe, i wanna eb a kroot or a gsc

[arctic talon]

Then yeah RT has kroot rules

Wrath and glory has gsc and kroot

[rose thorn]

YAYYY

YAYYY

[arctic talon]

But the gsc rules are like atrocious

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

Wrath and glory has a lot of bad rules imo

Unfortunately

Spread themselves out way too thin

The eldar, human and tau rules

Are all very good though

[rose thorn]

it required the rt player to wanna enjoy torturing their pet keleomorph

[arctic talon]

LOL

Wrath and glory can do that

Wrath and glory is prolly best for big mixed parties

Without homebrew

[rose thorn]

"By the star children i fucking hate you"
"lmao too bad, shoot them" electric shock

[arctic talon]

But yeah wrath and glory has a really rough start

So my opinion might be slightly soured by it

[rose thorn]

how does the ttrpgs handle space marine snayhow?

[arctic talon]

Uh

Which one

[rose thorn]

soulbound just gives stormcasts less xp

yoru favorite

[arctic talon]

The d100 ones or the

[rose thorn]

i cant tell the 4 apart

[dusk patrol]

SM generally start with less exp but

It doesn’t help lol

[arctic talon]

Okay for the old d100 ones marines are just normal PCs in deathwatch, but they get a weaker exp curve in other systems

[dusk patrol]

They’re very very strong

[arctic talon]

In wrath and glory they’re literally normal

[dusk patrol]

The issue is they start with a lot of super strong basic perks and armor

[arctic talon]

And in imperium maledictum they’re not playable and they’re NPCs

[rose thorn]

valid

[arctic talon]

In maledictum they’re horrifying to deal with

But that’s like most things in maledictum lol

But in W&G they’re pretty balanced

Just due to how the system is designed

But W&G has everyone scale like a god

[vagrant fox]

Wang seems so weird, I haven't tried it but it seems more action focused

[rose thorn]

LMAO

uhg that reminds me i need to work on my aos cmapaign

[vagrant fox]

Deathwatch and Black Crusade marines end up being so busted with some xp under their belt. Kill everything you encounter in the first turn and keep going

Librarians and sorcerers absolutely annihilating anything that has stats

[arctic talon]

WANG is def big murder game

Less rp

[rose thorn]

OH I CAN RIP OFF KIRBY LORE FOR HOMEBREW IDEAS

gotta write that down

[arctic talon]

but yeah I like maledictum a ton

[rose thorn]

i heard thats one of the reasons they ended the uh, ETTSD's campaign

[arctic talon]

you feel weak tbh

[rose thorn]

because they were os busted lmao

[arctic talon]

yeah

Maledictum combat is

terrifying lol

[rose thorn]

that sounds really fun

[arctic talon]

due to the momentum system

but it also lets you steamroll if you think properly

[vagrant fox]

I'd love to try Maledictum but online groups are hard to come by

[arctic talon]

but stuff like an eldar ranger or kabalite

are considered extremely dangerous

same with Chaos spawn and such

[rose thorn]

id like to try it but god i suck at 40k homebrew lroe

[arctic talon]

yeah a lot of people stick with the FFG stuff

which makes sense

Maledictum

[rose thorn]

FFG?

[arctic talon]

comes with pre prepared lore

[arctic talon]

the old like people who made 40k TTRPGs

[rose thorn]

ohh

[arctic talon]

Maledictum has a setting ready to go for you

with the Macharian Sector

[vagrant fox]

I love FFG but man their editing was rough

[rose thorn]

oh slick

[arctic talon]

But yeah maledictum very much imo shows off how horrifying the 41st millennium is

Combat is fast, brutal and over in like 3-4 turns often

[queen laurel]

It seems that cubicle 7 is at least doing pretty good at handling the warhammer rpg department

[rose thorn]

hwo much necormunda stuff is in maledictum?

[arctic talon]

Like

[rose thorn]

OH THEY HAVE CUBICLE 7?

[arctic talon]

Define necromunda stuff

[arctic talon]

Cubicle 7 made maledictum and W&G yeah

[rose thorn]

like houses and shit

[arctic talon]

Oh

None

[rose thorn]

gotcha

how much of the insanity

[arctic talon]

They have their own criminal organizations

[arctic talon]

Nothing like Van Saar, but there’s stuff similar to delaque

[rose thorn]

DELAQUE YAYYY

[arctic talon]

There’s 2 major weird secretive like

Major criminal empires

One of them is chaosy and the other one is

not

[queen laurel]

Still i am quite impress the cubicle 7 only one company handles all warhammer rpg related stuff

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[queen laurel]

They have like multiple systems for multiple games

[arctic talon]

They’re just maintaining the old stuff now

And selling it

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah for maledictum

[arctic talon]

The new stuff they’ve made is nice though

Soulbound, maledictum and WANG

[queen laurel]

What's the warrior fighter tank class i can get

[arctic talon]

Uh

Fighter?

[queen laurel]

Because i'm pretty sure i can't play orks

[arctic talon]

Warrior or uh

I forgot the other name

But the religious one

Both fit

[rose thorn]

love soulbound

[arctic talon]

These are the maledictum classes in the base rulebook

One isn’t loading

Give it a mkment

[queen laurel]

Physically strong uses brutal melee weapons like thunder hammers and chain axes, and can absolutely take a hit

[arctic talon]

Zealot or warrior

[rose thorn]

fire af

is this all fo tehm?

[queen laurel]

Can you only play human in maledictum?

[rose thorn]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Nah this is just the starting stuff

They get unique talents and such

But that’s like several pages

[rose thorn]

ahh

[arctic talon]

Psyker stuff alone is like

12

[rose thorn]

LMAOOoooo

[arctic talon]

let me get the inqusition specific classes

lol

[queen laurel]

Tell me the rulebooksthat contain every the classes and like every expansion classes

Going to look for these things myself later

[arctic talon]

player handbook + inqusition player handbook

is the classes sources

[queen laurel]

Wow just two books?

I thought there'd be more

I'm not saying this is a negative i'm just genuinely surprised

[arctic talon]

It is pretty new tbh

all the books also have original art

and lore in them

[queen laurel]

True

[arctic talon]

Also they've released a lot of just

campaign expansions

the inqusition expansion also has its own

subterfuge system

[tough haven]

If you want xenos content, play wrath and glory

With homebrew, you can play as nearly any xenos race

[vagrant fox]

Or the old Rogue Trader

It has orks playable in there, I forget which book

[tough haven]

But maledictum does human stuff better

[tough haven]

Without it’s just orks and Aeldari

[queen laurel]

Yeah and i can play as orks in that game

If i can't i just look for options that allow me to play a warrior or fighter

[arctic talon]

its one of the dark heresy ones iirc

it works with RT

[vagrant fox]

I can believe that, I only really remember the delder incubi and the ork were available for Rogue Trader

[dusk patrol]

And Tau/Kroot

[arctic talon]

The dreaded melee tau build

[queen laurel]

To be fair with proper equipment designed to compensate for their lack of muscle

They can do that

Mech suits are a good example

[tough haven]

Oh right there’s kroot and abhumans

In W&G

[queen laurel]

Yes

[arctic talon]

It’s not a lack of muscle

It’s that they’re just not trained in it + slower reactions

But it doesn’t matter in FFG systems due to how skills are setup lol

You can make a tau a melee god if you want

It’s the funniest shit ever

[queen laurel]

Yeah but don't they have like less muscles than humans lower wise

[arctic talon]

Not firecaste

Water caste and air caste yeah

[tough haven]

I’m gonna do a clusterfuck of a campaign next with as many xenos species my players want to pick

And preferably at least one human

[queen laurel]

Well that's good

At least when it comes down to it they can protect themselves

But i think for one good measure i would give them exoskeletons still

[arctic talon]

do it in that one port in comorroagh

[tough haven]

I’m gonna have to come up with some plot contrivance to make them all forced to work together

[arctic talon]

Sec Maegra is a good plot contrivance tbh

[tough haven]

Ideally I want them to have to interact with imperial society in some form

[arctic talon]

ah

nvm then lol

Sec Maegra is such a funny place in comorragh because its just filled with Xenos(to the drukhari)

[tough haven]

I had thought maybe rogue trader retinue but idk

The RT in the sector is known but unconfirmed to work with xenos

[arctic talon]

That works

[tough haven]

The background will have to depend on what my players pick

[storm jungle]

god i legit hate the artist of Maledictum

feels like bro smears his art in black dust before putting it in books

[tough haven]

I’ll be back when I know, you’ve been warned

[unique aurora]

is there a lore reason why we dont have female ogryns in darktide?

[queen laurel]

no presentation and GW just not wanting them

[tough haven]

The community couldn’t handle it

[unique aurora]

no presentation?

[queen laurel]

they have no art

[tough haven]

They do exist in lore, there’s at least two characters of them I know of

[unique aurora]

hmm, now that you mention it, i don't remember the tabletop having female ogryns either

i guess its like squats

[tough haven]

Female squats exist as of the high kahls oath

[queen laurel]

yeah but squats have presentation

[unique aurora]

wait...

squats are gone

like

tyranids ate them

[queen laurel]

and are more prominent now

[unique aurora]

no more squats right?

[queen laurel]

oh your still on that

they're back

[unique aurora]

yah..i think 4th ed was when i stopped playing

W
OW

as their own faction? or abhumans?

that's cool

[tough haven]

They’re considered xenos

Called the Leagues of Votaan

[unique aurora]

ughs, i can see i'm in for a night or two of reading

i wanna see what their reason for existing is now 🙂 did the nids spit them back out

or just couldn't digest them or something ;p

[tough haven]

Canonically they’re the descendants of the generation ships from DAOT, that settled in the galactic core

[green loom]

The squats that died still died, but turns out there's a lot more of them than expected

[tough haven]

But now they’re far enough apart to be xenos

Now they’re consuming tyranids

Not literally

[unique aurora]

@ _ @

oh

[tough haven]

But for their resources

[unique aurora]

not literally. ok.

haha

[vagrant fox]

Excellent business, mining nid ships

[unique aurora]

.....seems like a great partnership with that galactic mining game.....

[tough haven]

They board hive ships and sabotage them so they can capture and render them down

[tough haven]

It’s nearly semi real

[vagrant fox]

Isn't there a reference about that

[tough haven]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Also they have a new major faction now

Leagues of votaan

[arctic talon]

its to look gritty™️

idk

[tough haven]

They’re pretty cool

[unique aurora]

....that looks like....space marine armor....

[tough haven]

I like them

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

I never said it worked

[unique aurora]

like if you dont look closely

[tough haven]

They’re offshoots of humanity, so they use better versions of human gear

[queen laurel]

Oh that they dark age technology level stuff

[tough haven]

And like actual tech support and advancement

[unique aurora]

omg.

[tough haven]

They all use bolters and stuff

[unique aurora]

no wonder they're considered heretics. they don't worship the omnisiah

[green loom]

Art variant nuln oil, liquid skill

[unique aurora]

are they warp protected? or will we see chaos squats soon

the borus beeresy

[queen laurel]

Also another thing in necromunda we have the basic

Ironhead squat prospectors

[tough haven]

Oh also, they are all clones of a sort, they are designed by AI cores called Votaan for specific purposes

[queen laurel]

They live in the center of the universe deep within it

[arctic talon]

my favorite LoV unit aesthetically are probably the Yaegirs

[queen laurel]

So they were relatively safe but now they are just venturing out

[tough haven]

But they have diversity of a sort

[arctic talon]

they use a lot of different DNA batches

[unique aurora]

these are both awesome. and..uh..horrifyingly comedic

[arctic talon]

I think its better to call them like

test tube babies

and not clones

[tough haven]

They’re designed to be very dim in the warp

[storm jungle]

it wouldnt be 40k if it wasnt comedic tbh

[arctic talon]

Clone Skiens are like

[tough haven]

Yeah that’s accurate

[arctic talon]

different genetic lines they use

[unique aurora]

damn. so no chance of a 5th class being a squat

[arctic talon]

well

it could be

[unique aurora]

that'd been awesome.

[storm jungle]

The codex mentions votann can largely look like "anything" and shows some artwork examples of some having rock skin, tougher looks, extra genetic features etc, its mostly ot allow you to homebrew interesting combos

[arctic talon]

they're mercenaries often

[tough haven]

They have psykers, but they only touch the warp through tech, they’re very resistant to it, but relatively weak

[unique aurora]

well if they're considered xenos....

[arctic talon]

Well

[queen laurel]

It can work it's just that it's probably an outsider mercenary

[arctic talon]

Grendyl is a radical

lol

[tough haven]

Yeah it shows that in the book

[unique aurora]

i guess that's true.

[arctic talon]

he's used Eldar tech before

[queen laurel]

Yeah he is quite the deep end

[arctic talon]

I wouldn't say deep end

[unique aurora]

he's got more psykers than the rest of the imperium put together if my last few games are anything to go by

[arctic talon]

but he's def no puritan lol

jokes aside for wave 2 of LoV

they should focus more on like

soft parts mixed with hard parts

[tough haven]

Oh also they have 100% bona fide sentient AI

[arctic talon]

considering how much people like Yaegirs lol

oh yeah

Iron Kin are just

[tough haven]

Like men of iron

[arctic talon]

sapient and sentient AI lol

[tough haven]

But chill

[queen laurel]

yeah but the things they respect iron kin

[tough haven]

Probably because they’re treated like everyone else

[queen laurel]

unlike the imperium which doesn't

[unique aurora]

so..suicide bomber dwarves like the sapper crews in regular warhammer? 🙂

[arctic talon]

the dataslate of grudges supplies

[arctic talon]

nah

[storm jungle]

What

[arctic talon]

They have remote mines for that lol

[storm jungle]

they arent suicide miners

[queen laurel]

nah

[storm jungle]

they literally

[queen laurel]

yeah they have no such thing because they are actually smart

[storm jungle]

throw packs of TNT

lol

[unique aurora]

BoOOO

those were the best

[storm jungle]

why the fuck would they human-bomb themselves

lol

[vagrant fox]

Yes, boo Dilara

[tough haven]

They’re very very wary of spending life

[outer wave]

Man really wants these dwarfs to kill themselves

[tough haven]

Or even ironkin

[green loom]

Remember when "suicide bomber" was like a pretty widespread RTS unit

[arctic talon]

BANELINGS

[unique aurora]

well if you can take out the command units with like, some cheap tier units...it was a good strategy ;p

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/baneling-starcraft2-zerg-portrait-gif-15223379

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Tbf

they have artillery

[storm jungle]

why do that when you got bigger weapons

^

[arctic talon]

and like yeah

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

lol

[green loom]

Goblin sappers

[tough haven]

They’re whole schtick is the fucking grudge for things that when they kill people

[unique aurora]

i mean.

[arctic talon]

Mole launchers as well

[unique aurora]

the whole warhammer40k thing doesnt' make sense ;p

so yah.

[storm jungle]

not really

[arctic talon]

are AI guided drilling missiles

[storm jungle]

its a waste either way

[arctic talon]

the factions have logic behind their actions

[tough haven]

Driller DRG

[storm jungle]

human bombs work better as a terrorist thing, in actual combat you got better examples

[unique aurora]

why melee when you have guns, etc etc ;p

[arctic talon]

the 3 factions that use suicide bombs

are like GSC, nids and humans

oh also orks

squig bombs

[unique aurora]

yup

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/squig-warhammer-gif-25817930

[green loom]

Those poor goblin sappers, with the power of capitalism, were convinced to blow themselves up so the horde could get like 3 meters of extra building ground

[unique aurora]

hated those