40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Battlebarges are absurdly tanky in lore.

[arctic talon]

Best at boarding is Nids, space marines and drukhari

[late osprey]

i think its SPECIFICALLY the khorne subfaction thats crazy good at boarding

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

and can keep up with the other boarder factions

[arctic talon]

But then you gotta do some weird shit

And run some odd ships

[dusk patrol]

And are build around the idea of abusing the marines you have on board.

[arctic talon]

But it’s funny

[queen laurel]

What about orks is their entire specialty literally just brute forcing a victory with well placed Rams

[crisp heath]

No surprise w the drukhari there literally pirates

[arctic talon]

Orks are good at ramming and broadsides lol

[dusk patrol]

Ork Space Hulks are funny.

[arctic talon]

Orks close and kill

[late osprey]

their boarders are OK, but they're gigantic flying bricks with lots of guns

[arctic talon]

^

[late osprey]

the best boarders are what EW said

[arctic talon]

They’re bulky as shit

[crisp heath]

Meteors with rockets and guns attached

[arctic talon]

The AI is like

[queen laurel]

Yeah I played the game a little bit they lack maneuverability but like there's basically few ships in the game that can match their big red button

[arctic talon]

Terrible at eldar, Necrons and tau lol

It’s also not great at marines

It tries to trade broadsides

[queen laurel]

They quite literally will punch a hole through your largest ship by throwing their own

[dusk patrol]

Necrons were so busted at launch

Still good but man

[late osprey]

the AI is really good with the minimal micro factions

[arctic talon]

They’re reasonable now

[late osprey]

orks, chaos

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[late osprey]

even imperium is kinda nasty with them

[arctic talon]

I do find it funny how nerfed down

Necrons are

And they’re still good

[dusk patrol]

AI Nids are hilarious.

[arctic talon]

AI nids are kind of dumb lol

[late osprey]

i hate fighting nids so much

[arctic talon]

They ram with non ramming ships

[dusk patrol]

They basically only win cause they spam

[late osprey]

killed the ancient one as soon as i can

[arctic talon]

Yeah no nids are

[dusk patrol]

Ancient One sucks ugh

[arctic talon]

So obnoxious lol

[dusk patrol]

I hate the fucking nid part

[arctic talon]

By far the most annoying faction

[dusk patrol]

I always try to play again and then

[late osprey]

well they ram with the frigates which is actually kinda smart

[arctic talon]

Both in MP and campaign

[late osprey]

because they have the 50% slow aura on their death

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Eldar are like

Annoying

But they still actually play the game

[dusk patrol]

I get to the Nid spam and I start getting bored

[arctic talon]

With the same mechanics

Nids just

Ignore 2 mechanics entirely lol

[late osprey]

yeah its not very fun that nids are just marines but better

so 1/3rd of your campaign armada is useless against them

[arctic talon]

Morale/disengae/boarding

Is pretty much all ignored by nids

Boarding them is worthless

They don’t have morale

[dusk patrol]

Yeah its really annoying

[arctic talon]

And they don’t force disengageskmetimes

It’s always to the death lol

[queen laurel]

what about WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!s that get annoying as more fighting happens in your system

[crisp heath]

Probably wouldn't be a good idea to board a nid ship would it 💀

[arctic talon]

It wouldn’t

[dusk patrol]

Not typically no lol

[arctic talon]

But it’s kind of ass for game balance

That they pretty much ignore it

[crisp heath]

Ahhh ok ok

[queen laurel]

i mean

[arctic talon]

It’s also a terrible idea to board marine/cron ships

[late osprey]

orks are not that difficult to take care of especially if you invest in culexus assassin boarders actually

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the issue is you have factions and whole ships built around it

[arctic talon]

But they still take crew damage

Lol

[crisp heath]

I bet the orks would do it

[arctic talon]

Necrons also still have morale

[late osprey]

since orks have shit morale

[arctic talon]

Even if it’s different

[crisp heath]

chads

[arctic talon]

Nids entirely lack morale

Or any interaction with it

They also don’t interact with repairs

[late osprey]

it seems they represent boarder resilience with crew size tbh

so marines have like 30/30/30

[arctic talon]

I just realized that lol

[late osprey]

while other factions have like 15

[queen laurel]

yeah ork ships come take a beating and will have no problems with multiple ramming attacks but pick up the crew and mutinies and you have yourself the biggest issue of their funny things

[arctic talon]

They naturally regen

Damage to guns

[crisp heath]

Don't they have fun when they go into the warp and demons board their ship

[arctic talon]

So it’s not even worth disabling and damaging

Yes

[crisp heath]

So cool 😎

[arctic talon]

It’s entertainment

But yeah nids are cool

I just wish they had to interact

[late osprey]

rocks are really good to field for this reason because they don't have bridges

[arctic talon]

With more mechanics lol

[late osprey]

so there's no command center to destroy

otherwise you just send boarders to blow up the bridge and the orks mutiny instantly

[arctic talon]

Mfw I lobotomize the nid ship

A few minutes later

It’s back

It regrew it’s brain

[late osprey]

my main thing with the nids is that like

space marines? unplayable vs them

[crisp heath]

Are squigs ork or are they technically another species

[arctic talon]

Squigs are orkoids

[late osprey]

imperial navy you have to almost completely re-outfit to fight them

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

since the default imperial setup is super close-range brawler stuff

[crisp heath]

I was just wondering cause the fungus thing

[late osprey]

its super annoying

[dusk patrol]

Yeah its just really annoying having to

Completely change your fleet to fight them

[arctic talon]

I do find it fun that navy has 2 good play styles tbh

[late osprey]

"whoops didnt re-build my fleet for lances guess i just lose everyone"

[arctic talon]

Torpedo spam with lances

And close range brawling with torpedos

[queen laurel]

they belong in the same order as grots and orks

orkoid

[arctic talon]

Imperial navy likes torpedos

[queen laurel]

it's basically its own unique ecosystem

[late osprey]

close range brawling is ostensibly more accurate to lore doctrine so thats what i like to build for

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

although the moment i can fit in a carrier i will

[arctic talon]

Torpedo spam with close range brawling is that classic doctrine

I don’t want the BFG reboot to be in heresy

There’s going to be such a huge hit to fleet play style diversity

Unless they get really creative

[arctic talon]

Carriers are nice

[late osprey]

BFG reboot the tabletop game?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[late osprey]

yeah hopefully not

[arctic talon]

We know there’s testing for it

But it’s unclear how far along it is exactly

[dusk patrol]

I never noticed you talk to Sind Grolvoch in the campaign, kinda cool.

[arctic talon]

And what setting it’s for

[arctic talon]

There’s some fun random meetings lol

You can point and soyjack

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Also

[queen laurel]

nice ship bozo unfortunately

[arctic talon]

Isn’t it funny they introduce the orbital bombardment thing

At the start of the game

And it’s literally only used a single time ever again

[late osprey]

ok BFG:A 1 was really fucking hard

i literally could not beat the first mission

[arctic talon]

BFGA 1 is like

[dusk patrol]

He's the former Iron Captain of Raukaan who died leading Fulgrim away from some retreating Guardsmen and refugees, since has been replaced.

[arctic talon]

Way harder lmao

[late osprey]

where you escort the food trucks from orks

its insane

[arctic talon]

It’s got a fucked up difficulty curve

[late osprey]

also

going by Rogue Trader's alignment system

Spire is NOT dogmatic at all

[dusk patrol]

Surprised they didn't do Stronos

[late osprey]

he's on some serious iconoclast shit

[arctic talon]

He’s not

Spire is 100% an iconoclast

He’s arguably a full blown heretic

In BFGA2

If you pick some options

[dusk patrol]

My man chats with Eldar waaay too much lol

[arctic talon]

He literally is “friends” with one

Lmao

[late osprey]

maybe abelard was inspired to some extent by him tbh

and yeah in the first BFGA2 mission when eldar get introduced he gets a skype call like they were old college buddies

[arctic talon]

I also find it funny spire tries diplomacy

Against the crons

[late osprey]

"Heyyyy bro you're still alive after 800 years haha crazy"

[arctic talon]

“Anyways talk to you later we’ll see each other again k bye”

Tbh it’s also just objectively a bad decision not to help the eldar in BFGA2

Is the weird thing

You don’t get extra allies in the final battle or immediate stuff for siding with the inqusitor

[late osprey]

me and darkhammer? we're bros

i mean his name is DARKHAMMER, thats cool as fuck

[dusk patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XFlRWIDDPs

The final cutscene for BFGA goes hard

[arctic talon]

Darkhammer is fun

He’s a well written character

Even if he’s meant to be a jerk

[shadow plover]

[arctic talon]

I do prefer Horst though

[late osprey]

here's how it's going right now @queen laurel

[arctic talon]

Between the 2 games inqusition dudes

[queen laurel]

yeah ork ships will not hesitate to ram themselves no matter how tightly guarded you make your ships

[queen laurel]

Straight up I'm talking they will not hesitate to throw one of their cheaper ships after you like a ******* battering ram

[dusk patrol]

I like how theres that bit at the start where your commander is giving you shit orders and then whichever Inquisitor it is just shows up and says "Oh yeah I killed him he was a heretic, anyways you're in charge now."

[arctic talon]

“I made sure of it, I placed the shot myself”

Is some of the funniest fucking dialogue in the starting portion

[late osprey]

in the chaos campaign that commander calls you and is like "yeah i sent spire to the sandbox he's all taken care of"

[crisp heath]

That's like when the admirals like the battles lost
Shot in the back of the head

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah I forgot that

[late osprey]

pretty fun tie-in stuff

[arctic talon]

What’s his name

Drang?

[late osprey]

drang sounds right

[arctic talon]

Spire is also properly canon now funnily enough

[dusk patrol]

Yeah something like that

[arctic talon]

He’s running around nihlus

Unless there’s another High admiral spire

[late osprey]

what i thought was interesting was that the chaos commander is made a space marine

[arctic talon]

Who got lost in the warp

[late osprey]

despite being a full on adult

i mean i know its possible for chaos

[arctic talon]

There’s some weird methods for it which is neat

Tsons just fuckin magic you

[crisp heath]

I didn't know they could become chaos like that

[dusk patrol]

The setup implies he's very special yeah with how they select for him

[late osprey]

that's gotta be like winning the lottery

[dusk patrol]

Well considering everyone else got devoured by daemons

[arctic talon]

LOL

[late osprey]

like that fallout new vegas bit

[arctic talon]

I also love how the chaos ship portraits

Are a mix of csm and mortals

[late osprey]

in the campaign the mortal portraits are specifically their own subfaction too

[queen laurel]

what campaigns are in battlefleet gothic 2 right now

[crisp heath]

Do world eaters get their flag ship

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

i forgot it's been awhile

[arctic talon]

Only Gloriana in game is the mccrages honor

[late osprey]

imperium, necron, tyranid, chaos

[arctic talon]

It would suck anyways imo

The Gloriana is awful

[late osprey]

nids being a campaign and not eldar is actually insane to me btw

[queen laurel]

I would have thought they would have had implemented campaigns for every faction but

eh

What can I do

[arctic talon]

Eldar, and Orks not getting a campaign is nuts imo

[queen laurel]

yeah like

they are implemented in the game

[arctic talon]

The only factions not getting a campaign being fine

Are drukhari and tau imo

[dusk patrol]

The Plasmic Medusaen are always funny to me.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

What weird fauna lol

[queen laurel]

the first game was strictly imperium only right

in the campaign anyway

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Imperial navy only

[queen laurel]

man oh well

[dusk patrol]

lol, I forgot they called the Dark Apostle "malevolence"

[arctic talon]

Monster hunter rise is the only game where you’re told to go kill a pregnant mother to save a town/hj

[arctic talon]

Honestly the chaos campaign is you just being extremely evil and it’s very fun

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I'm skipping through a playthrough series, the dialogue is great.

[queen laurel]

you're talking about the serpents right

[dusk patrol]

They do a great job with the presentation

[dapper gyro]

Doesnt the octopus have offspring, too?

[arctic talon]

Yeah I’m talking about Narwa after she absorbs Ibishi’s life essence

[arctic talon]

Nu Udra has already laid its eggs and is now defending them

You kill Narwa while she’s pregnant lol

Well, in the Narwa allmother fight, Narwa isn’t pregnant in the normal version of the fight

[dapper gyro]

Guess who are the monster now! /s

I know that it was also doing wild animal things and affect people.

[dusk patrol]

Man I wish we got more Void focused books.

[late osprey]

yeah the amount of lore there is on the naval stuff is shockingly expansive

[dusk patrol]

The BFGA books are great

[arctic talon]

Tbh it is presented as a moral dilemma in game

[dusk patrol]

Tons of history and how the void strategies have progressed.

[arctic talon]

also it’s not like it’s the only Narwa and Ibushi in the area either

You’re just killing one specific pair

And their eight unborn kids

[late osprey]

there's a part in the lore where the imperial navy was essentially divided on whether to go carriers or go battleships

and it was resolved in a massive single teamkilling battle where the battleships wiped the floor with the carriers

and everyone from then on decided "hmm carriers are a bit shit innit"

[arctic talon]

Incredible

[queen laurel]

|| welp artificial monsters are a thing, which makes the equal dragon weapon a funny concept ||

[arctic talon]

As expected of the navy

[arctic talon]

||Zo Shia is literally a modernization of the equal dragon weapon concept||

||it’s made out of multiple black dragons including fatalis and safi jiva||

[queen laurel]

well shit

[late osprey]

"hmmm guess your ships didnt perform well in this contrived organized wargame guess that means they're worthless lmao"

• Grand Admiral Drang, probably

[queen laurel]

|| i know monster hunter has a lot of mistakes and stuff happening but who in their right mind would think that's a good idea ||

[arctic talon]

Oh also I do love how Xeno’jiva looks nothing like it’s adult form

[arctic talon]

It just works(it didn’t)

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

I do love how the imperial navy seems so self destructive at times

[queen laurel]

Yeah I thought gravios and Basarios was funny

what are they cooking with that one

[arctic talon]

Tbf

They look similar

Xeno jiva literally has way more eyes

And is
Blue

Safi jiva just looks like some normal ass dragon

Which automatically makes it 10x more terrifying

[queen laurel]

yeah at least Grav and Bas have physical similarities

Xeno and Safi?

[arctic talon]

They sound alike ig

And have some similar attacks

Strange life cycle lol

[queen laurel]

the breath and energy attacks

[arctic talon]

I wonder if xeno is more like a fetus

And not an actual developed creature

[dusk patrol]

Guys, why are we talking about Monster Hunter in the Invincible and World Politics thread?

[queen laurel]

and the shape i guess?

[arctic talon]

My bad

Guys what about this new deathwatch special issue ammunition

[dusk patrol]

Its for when they're fighting Death Guard

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside special issue ammunition is fun, I like the shotgun varients as well

[dusk patrol]

Flintstone Gummies are an alternative option

[queen laurel]

i'm gonna be honest after the bombshell of the lore in wilds

Safi is a relatively speaking not the most crazy

[arctic talon]

Anyways Rathian and Rathalos are chickens

[arctic talon]

Tbf safi isn’t that crazy

The creation myth shit with World

Is what’s weird

It’s also brought up in Wilds

With the whole 5 dragon thing on the logo

[queen laurel]

the game really makes you wonder how much of the MH world is not artificial huh

Is in this corner of the world the humans are capable of doing crazy stuff like that what the hell are they doing in the rest

[arctic talon]

Imo it’s not

That’s the most fun part

The world just has some really fucked up stuff evolutionarily

The ||only artificial creatures are the guardian ones||

Everything else just fucking evolved that way

[queen laurel]

yeah it's fun to imagine what mother nature was on when she decided to make this personification of black air force energy

[arctic talon]

Rajang

[queen laurel]

This is like one of the most physically strong monsters in the series

hurling giant boulders at you no problem and matching things like a deviljho

[arctic talon]

Monkey

The fact it’s willing to fight elder dragons is funny

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely forgot what JD Vance's actual face looks like now.

Like this isn't a bit I can't remember it

[arctic talon]

My favorite version is the Modak one

[queen laurel]

i mean with all that power it's easy to be aggressive

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jd-jd-vance-vance-vpn-fat-gif-3934643206448588515

Ok I'm not gonna further encourage this

Back to, Monster Hunter talk

[opaque coyote]

The funniest thing about that is that.

A) it's AI generated
B) That means that the AI chose to add the fucking bald spot

[crisp heath]

Looks like a early fallout charecter lmaooo

[dusk patrol]

Looks like an Oblivion Character

[arctic talon]

Rathian and Rathalos’s are in bigger groups now

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-gif-18732240

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/savlian-matius-imperial-elder-scrolls-oblivion-bethesda-gif-17725930

[arctic talon]

Not sure if this is gameplay only or a lore change

But they have multiple nests close to each other now

Horde of “chickens” be upon ye

[dusk patrol]

I need to get the new MH

[opaque coyote]

I realize that I have MHW

[queen laurel]

hey to be fair it's better survival chances

[opaque coyote]

And I haven't played through it

Huh

[arctic talon]

They somehow made Yian Kut Ku more annoying

Which is impressive

Because it was already an obnoxious little shit

[queen laurel]

Wait yiant kut ku is on Wilds right

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

is yian garuda in?

[arctic talon]

They made it more annoying

[arctic talon]

No

I hope it does make it in

[queen laurel]

welp at least he's chilling in world

[arctic talon]

Diablos being an herbivore

Is one of the funniest biology choices the devs have made

[queen laurel]

And the fact that this herbivore apparently has a variant that is traumatized and covered in dried blood is

funny as shit

[arctic talon]

It craves violence

[queen laurel]

yeah if i was to give khorne a creature to corrupt it would be a Diablos

[arctic talon]

Black Diablos

It’s like a normal diablos, but even more angry

[queen laurel]

those are female Diablos right

[arctic talon]

Female diablos in heat

Which as far as variants go is one of the reasons of all time

[opaque coyote]

To be fair some herbivores are also deadly as fuck.

Do not fuck with mooses

They will fucking gut you

[queen laurel]

it's funny

[arctic talon]

Yeah but Diablos is like the angriest thing I’ve ever seen labeled an herbivore in a game or irl

[opaque coyote]

Variants:

• Guy
• Girl
• Horny

[opaque coyote]

True they do look like actual fucking demons

[arctic talon]

Entering a Diablos’s territory = you get run down for several miles

Because how dare you get near ITS cacti

[opaque coyote]

But hey at least you know they don't want to kill you for food.

...they just want to fucking kill you

[arctic talon]

If you die your mangled corpse won’t be eaten

However it’s gona be closed casket still LOL

[queen laurel]

yeah but look at this thing it looks like a bioweapon

[arctic talon]

I do love how Diablos kind of just fucking annihilates everything in turf wars

[opaque coyote]

I should make it in my will that if I somehow die a gruesome death. I should have it open casket.

[arctic talon]

My FUNeral

[queen laurel]

also have you seen this thing variant's super move in stories?

[opaque coyote]

Bro's horns are bigger than his god damn head jfc

[queen laurel]

it's literally the pinnacle of Crashout

[opaque coyote]

Let me see

Holy shit

[opaque coyote]

I mean you can't say he isn't a grinder

[queen laurel]

oh for fuck

aight wait

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-meme-stare-man-jerma-meatgrinder-gif-27599725

[arctic talon]

LOL

[queen laurel]

as you can see, straight up crash out

[opaque coyote]

Coughing Baby vs Hydrogen Bomb

[arctic talon]

No self preservation

Lol

[queen laurel]

not a single ounce

[shadow plover]

Some of you with 40k lore..

[raven stone]

Lol

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/H4Stk9vMRmY?si=-llRD3oqT5BzaLzR

[sly ivy]

Everyone has forgotten

His true form is irrelevant now

The best thing is that the Multivance Explosion is truly bipartisan from what I see on chronically online lw and rw social media

It’s a beautiful thing

The world is healing

[dapper gyro]

That thing is a demon prince for the Chaos of Profit.

[forest orbit]

Any particular reason why

[hallow saddle]

Nothing personal anyway just can't stand em

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

[vagrant fox]

Feanor was so angry that when he died his body caught fire
That's chadmaxing

[forest orbit]

A true dawi knows better

[spring cairn]

do they really tho

[celest dome]

I dislike some Elves

Like Teclis

[forest orbit]

The smart ones yeah

minus the ones dead in a ditch somewhere

[celest dome]

We could have mixed magic and corruption but no, had to create the school

[storm jungle]

I mean

he did the smart thing

teaching humans about magic is not exactly a bad example

(also you know keeping chaos from annihilating the entire world)

[celest dome]

Well we could have done like the Norse

[vagrant fox]

The only ones I dislike are those d&d degenerate wood elf hoity toity live in harmony with nature freaks

[storm jungle]

Norse

💀

[celest dome]

Use magic and get mutation like grownups

[forest orbit]

Whats wrong with that one

I thought people loved Halsin

[queen laurel]

yeah but now he's a bit

ehhh

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

I want my elves angry and kinslaying

[queen laurel]

you know

[forest orbit]

Boooooring

[vagrant fox]

I'm going to set your home and boats on fire

[forest orbit]

I live on land dingus

[vagrant fox]

Irrelevant

[storm jungle]

He'll set your landboats on fire

[vagrant fox]

1st 2nd age Tolkien elves are really funny to me
Yeah I'll challenge a god to single combat because I'm the greatest shit

[forest orbit]

Well thats the point, its greek myth-esque

minus the forced sexual assault times 100x

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-zeus-gif-27082450

[storm jungle]

Zeus my unbeloved

[vagrant fox]

Just how I like it

[forest orbit]

I really should play the new god of war games...

I havent touched the series since 3

[storm jungle]

Its pretty good

id recommend it at least lol

also its nice to see Kratos develop

[forest orbit]

Yeah I never understood the controversy even pre-release of people hating the fact that he took a solitary life

Like.... what did you expect him to do

[storm jungle]

They miss his macho-dumbass'ness which itself is pretty stupid considering how half the message with his escapades was hes self-destructive

to well... anyone and everything around him

he destroys the entire greek world lmao

[queen laurel]

yeah it's actually nice to see him have a family again

even though he is wearing his family on his skin

[vagrant fox]

I never understood, as a child, why when the Greek gods came to challenge someone why didn't they throw hard
You know they'll fuck you up for beating them by turning your life into hell

[forest orbit]

God I forgot about that one

metal as fuck

[forest orbit]

Id assume to have fun

[queen laurel]

Yeah don't you just love it that you're very skin is the ashes of your family

[forest orbit]

its boring when you can just dr manhattan someone

greek gods also tend to be just bored

[raven stone]

Well LOTR got billing first today.

Now to wait for the Heresy stuff.

[vagrant fox]

Huge assholes, I'd be one too tbf

[forest orbit]

Yeah thats why you're lame

hope someone slashes you in your achilles

[vagrant fox]

I'm strong and sexy and I'm bored

[forest orbit]

[forest orbit]

WAITER

WAITER

More praetors

[hallow basin]

you might be disappointed if you really love the first games on a gameplay level, but otherwise it's great

[forest orbit]

Nah I know the gameplay enough I really wanna just see where the plot goes.

I dont mind the more calmer Last of Us-esque dad simulator stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeah most rational people rolled with it thankfully

the backlash was very aimless/blank anyway

"oh i cant fuck hot bitches anymore"

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-gif-26526142

[forest orbit]

not the fucking "let go of your daughter" minigame

[storm jungle]

do it kratos

kill her

[forest orbit]

well he already did

once

...

accidentally

ish

[storm jungle]

💀

Too soon.

[queen laurel]

Dilara out here not beating the cultist allegations

[storm jungle]

I simply hate kids

simple as

[queen laurel]

i will admit they are pretty useful as mine clearers and rations

[storm jungle]

and you say im the unhinged one

crazy

[sacred bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUp24qgoqIk

[queen laurel]

i'm not unhinged i'm pragmatic

[vagrant fox]

I was awoken by my neighbours shitty spawn screaming at 6-something today I say kill all children

[storm jungle]

🙏

[storm jungle]

Once again I implore anyone to watch the cutscenes for the story segments of Battlefleet Gothic

these games' writing is peak

[sacred bluff]

Link them and I will

This world eater is amazing

[storm jungle]

just write "battlefleet gothic all cutscenes"!!!!

https://youtu.be/AgNNN2Ey1pY

https://youtu.be/m7HcASaKzak

https://youtu.be/hkoHQmqnZo4

https://youtu.be/x9VvIbNPFOA

Anyway here

BFG1, BFG2 + Chaos DLC + Necron DLC

🗣️

[vagrant fox]

World Eaters my beloved

I dedicate this penne pasta to my boys

[storm jungle]

when people ask me why I love 40k I'll point them to peak dialogue like this

"LED BY THEIR WARLORD BLITZRIPPA"

Cinema

[gray umbra]

Villains gurgle on their ham

Peak 40k

Except everyone is the villain

[storm jungle]

ı really need to make a meme where like on one side its some dramatic reading of a HH passage and the other side is just "CHAOS WARLORD SKULLTAKERUS OF THE SKULLDESTROYERS WARBAND FOUGHT THE ORKS OF WAAAAAGH GUTRIPPA: 029349310 PEOPLE DIED"

[vagrant fox]

What's the dawn of war 1 thing when you put berserkers in a transport

drive before I kill you
We need a new driver

[late osprey]

Elf fan here. Huge fan of this post! Anti-posters should feel shame.

[storm jungle]

"WE NEED A NEW DRIVER, THIS ONE IS DEAD"

[storm jungle]

I got like 10 of these

lol

[late osprey]

my name LITERALLY means 'high elf' in LOTR

[vagrant fox]

Post chad khorne edits

[gray umbra]

My fav khorne berserker quote in dow is the one where they go: Aiajbfuajdnjwisbfjek

[vagrant fox]

https://youtu.be/wpKN-U1-bWk

Hell yea at 29 seconds

Pure inspo

[storm jungle]

thats the brain capacity of your average world eater

"AS YOU WISH. BUT SET US LOOSE"

[vagrant fox]

Yet, they're more effective than any other legion
Curious

[storm jungle]

"effective"

💀

[late osprey]

depends on what you want

[vagrant fox]

I'm not biased because of my decades long love for them

[vagrant fox]

More than the alpha legion at least ok

[tough haven]

Is 1 or 2 better to get?

Or both?

[hallow saddle]

Good afternoon I hate elves

[storm jungle]

Uhhh depends

The games are like fun but uhhh you REALLY need to micro-manage shit

theres also lots of controls which never got me lol

[queen laurel]

yeah I dare say battle fleet might be the most micro demanding 40K game there is

attack orders multiple abilities on different ships positioning of firing angles

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why I couldnt play it

[tough haven]

Hmm

[storm jungle]

Honestly you arent exactly missing much imo, id just say watch the cutscene videos

naval combat stuff is really hard

[tough haven]

It is 3$ for the whole bundle rn

[vagrant fox]

I think that's worth it

[tough haven]

I’m trying to decide which game to get though

I probably won’t be good at it but it could be fun

[vagrant fox]

Start at 1 why not

I find it to be very engaging, but I loved naval combat in Total War

[sacred bluff]

So i start with 2 and work my way backwards

[storm jungle]

Nah start with 1

the links are in order

BFG1 is the 12th Black Crusade/The Gothic War

BFG2 picks up right on the 13th Black Crusade

[queen laurel]

yep but fair warning

BFG1 is WAY harder

If you want to play it keep it in mind

[sacred bluff]

I only play mindless shooters like SM2 and arktide

[vagrant fox]

Fighting Eldar ships and their stupid everything in bfg2 drove me to drink

[tough haven]

On brand tbh

Can you play as xenos in 2?

[vagrant fox]

In custom matches

[queen laurel]

yes

[tough haven]

Cause lt says you can in 1, so I imagine so in 2

[queen laurel]

necrons and tyranids

[tough haven]

Just in customs/mp though?

[vagrant fox]

Or I forgot a thing or two

[queen laurel]

tyranids and necrons have their own campaigns

in 2

Right alongside the imperium and chaos in the DLC

[tough haven]

Awesome

[queen laurel]

But that's about it

[tough haven]

There is multiplayer though right?

[queen laurel]

yes

[tough haven]

Are all the races from 1 In it?

[queen laurel]

i will say some of the best ship interpretations in warhammer

Look at this ork space hulk

[green loom]

https://www.theverge.com/news/633166/discord-mobile-video-ads-quests-ipo

Are you ready gamers

[queen laurel]

FUCK

WELP

[storm jungle]

auAAAARGHHHHHHH

[vagrant fox]

Back to forums I guess

[hallow plover]

Its optional

Watch the ads to earn cosmetics for discord

[sacred bluff]

kinda based

[storm jungle]

this is what we get for not reading discord lore

[hallow plover]

It's only a question of time until we're forces though

Enjoy it while it lasts

[sacred bluff]

it's how money is made

[vagrant fox]

I'm sick of ads, can't even take a walk to the shore without ads

[sacred bluff]

Have you heard of adblock...

[vagrant fox]

Where is this offline adblock

I beg

[sacred bluff]

IF you offline, you shouldn't have ads

[hallow plover]

Close your eyes dummy

[storm jungle]

Nahhh thats crazy

[sacred bluff]

There are some ads I don't mind

Like product placement in games

My character is drinking a pepsi? that's cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLGy63pt9vA

Like this game

It's gonna be amazing

[celest dome]

Something something cocktail
Something Something Russian

[storm jungle]

I missed the entire controversy around this game

apparently people are mad its some bald black chick as the protagonist

[sacred bluff]

That's really just it

[storm jungle]

Yeah I was like "really"

are we this desperate lol

[sacred bluff]

The game is made by NaughtyDog, and I can't think of a bad game they've made

[storm jungle]

even Last of Us 2 with all its faults was pretty fun

[sacred bluff]

Most people's problem with that was the perspective of abby

[storm jungle]

I hate Abby because shes a piece of shit

not because shes a chick with muscles as most people said so

[crystal forum]

that's just quest stuff that you can ignore and it wont appear again

[queen laurel]

i swear some people just don't like a game if the character isn't a perfect super model

[sacred bluff]

WoMeN nEeD tO bE FeMiNinE

[storm jungle]

uAGGHH

But yeah I hate Abby for other reasons

[green loom]

idk man I just don't like Laura Bailey

[storm jungle]

shes a character i dont wanna like because she uhh kinda smashed a person's face in with a golf club who i really liked

[sacred bluff]

I love her development

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-cry-sad-gun-aim-gif-16220733

[crystal forum]

imagine if gamers cared about stuff that matters in life

[sacred bluff]

Abby and Ellie were both valid tbh

[storm jungle]

KILL HER ELLIE

RIP HER HEART OUT

[sacred bluff]

Abby was far more lenient than Ellie

[storm jungle]

🗣️

[storm jungle]

if the game taught me anything

when you are taking revenge

leave no loose ends

[sacred bluff]

Ellie killed pregnant lady

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

SHE ASKED FOR IT

[sacred bluff]

NO

[crystal forum]

i still dont get why they did that to joel

[storm jungle]

its a "revenge bad" trope

[crystal forum]

what was the story purpose

[storm jungle]

it could have been better

[sacred bluff]

She was scared and her friend killed abby's father (figure)

The game was based around hate as far as I'm aware

[hallow basin]

because when they did the second part, people who could tell Neil not to do it already left the studio

[sacred bluff]

The first was a theme of love

[crystal forum]

at least the show was so good that they wouldn't dare kill pedro pascal

[storm jungle]

...

[crystal forum]

THEY WOULD NOT

[storm jungle]

You do realise

[crystal forum]

i will cry

[sacred bluff]

They will kill him

[storm jungle]

its the same writer writing the show right

[sacred bluff]

And they should

[storm jungle]

Also yeah hes a ogner

[sacred bluff]

[storm jungle]

notice how like

awkwardly edited the S2 trailer was

hes gonna die lmaooo

[green loom]

He's a gooner???

[storm jungle]

AAA-

[hallow basin]

https://tenor.com/view/goon-squad-forever-lowtiergod-gif-2751141700300984799

[sacred bluff]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Anyway yeah i still think the controversy around TLOU2 was insane

i mostly got mad but moved on

[sacred bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/sabrina-carpenter-pedro-pascal-snl-saturday-night-live-snl50thanniversary-gif-6426027762546149081

[crystal forum]

it was peak gamer rage

[storm jungle]

im gonna say again

if abbie was some muscular guy

it would nowhere near be as controversial

lmao

[sacred bluff]

People just hate women

[tall plinth]

Damn Dilara do you ever sleep

[storm jungle]

I WOKE UP LIKE 6 HOURS AGO

[tall plinth]

No matter when I check this channel I see you

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Tablegate

[crystal forum]

gategate

[storm jungle]

oceangate

[tough haven]

Crazy people can’t do this

[storm jungle]

Ikr

i mostly just enjoyed the memes from the game

[tough haven]

They’d be like “yeah kill that mf!”

[crystal forum]

but daddy joel

[sacred bluff]

The show was incredible

[storm jungle]

people got so mad at the show too

[sacred bluff]

I liked how they made sam younger and deaf

[tough haven]

He had his time in the sun

[storm jungle]

Cant wait for S2

[tough haven]

His arc ended

[storm jungle]

and be more traumatized

[tough haven]

Characters die

[storm jungle]

also yeah like the issue was more Abbie as a character comes from absolutely nowhere.

[crystal forum]

i love when ron swanson becomes gay and then dies

[storm jungle]

LOL

One of my fav episodes man

[tough haven]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

legit made me cry

[crystal forum]

weirdest choice of actors but also somehow the best choice

[sacred bluff]

They made that episode and gave so much background to frank and bill

And it was the best episode

[tough haven]

It was so good

[crystal forum]

it was understandable to me, that part of the game wouldn't have worked in a tv show

[tough haven]

Can’t wait for more

[crystal forum]

it was all a tutorial about traps and shit

[crystal forum]

the expedition to the school to recover the truck battery would have maybe been cool in the show but i prefer what they did

also btw did you all ever notice how similar the part where they have to push the truck down the road is to children of men

it's so close to a scene in that movie

[sacred bluff]

They didn't push the car in the movie

But the filming is def similar

That movie was like an entire one shot i think

[tough haven]

Ok as for TLOU2, I do like stories about overcoming cycles of hate, and generally I think revenge is a hollow reward and isn’t really worth it, but I will concede that sometimes it can be necessary, I liked where they were trying to go with the story, but it could have been done better in a way that doesn’t feel so forced

[crystal forum]

yeah it's one of my favs

[storm jungle]

Yeah it also helps that it has that Invincible thing of the writer actually working on the live action product

so theres no dissonance

[storm jungle]

Yaeh this

its a good idea, its just not done well

its not that complex really

[tough haven]

I don’t like when media forces a morality, I like it much better when it’s done ambiguously

[storm jungle]

^

[tough haven]

Same issue I kinda had with undertale

[storm jungle]

lmao

great example unironically

[tough haven]

There’s the right way, and everything else gets tossed in the bad bin

I loved undertale

0.99$ rn btw

But it makes choice based games feel kinda fruitless if you’re gonna bash me for my choices

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho at least with Undertale its like...

well its Undertale, its a goofy af sometimes serious adventure game

Last of Us 2 meanwhile

https://tenor.com/view/heres-joel-heres-johnny-the-last-of-us-jerry-joel-the-last-of-us-the-last-of-us-remake-gif-26802116

[rose thorn]

wtf is this claymation

no way thats last of us 2

[crystal forum]

the videos of people killing the doctor guy with every gun possible

joel barges in, burns random guy with flamethrowrr

[hallow saddle]

Does last of us 2 actually have a Shining reference

[storm jungle]

No lmao

these are gif memes the devs made

[rose thorn]

oh okay

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-of-us-ellie-eating-popcorn-so-good-gif-19274489

[storm jungle]

it looks "clay"-like because its super realistic'ish

[rose thorn]

i was like 'this looks like hell'

[storm jungle]

lmao yeah

its uncanny because while they look human-like they move weird to fit with that jokey meme format

[tough haven]

Yeah

[tough haven]

I love when devs do this

[crystal forum]

animators when they're bored

[crisp heath]

That animation style is kinda creepy

[dapper gyro]

And yet, they keep doing it to each other. And many characters got killed, but they never mentioned again... because they are not important enough for vengeance.

[vagrant fox]

My favourite is the Disco Elysium animators not wanting to do a ladder climbing animation because it's too complex and then doing an elaborate dance scene for shits and giggles

[dapper gyro]

I absolutely hate TLOU2.

[crystal forum]

TELEPORT WITH MIND

[vagrant fox]

Kim, praise be his name, was really trying to shoot the idea down

We definitely teleported

[crisp heath]

They have confirmed tlou season 2 on Amazon

[crystal forum]

ordering kim to dance was the greatest achievement for harrier

[crisp heath]

Be a while away tho

[vagrant fox]

I never got into TLOU, it seemed neat but it wasn't for me

fuckin' bot censoring me man

[vagrant fox]

Was it greater than the pee pee jacket?

[hallow saddle]

Dicovelysium is the kinda game I wish I had a steam deck for

Disco elysium

[vagrant fox]

75% off right now one of the best games I've played

Too bad about the studio

[hallow saddle]

Yeah wtf

[crisp heath]

Did you watch the show ?

[tough haven]

It’s very good

[crisp heath]

The shows pretty good makes me want to play the game so bad

[rose thorn]

my mom really liked it, i havent seen it

[crisp heath]

I recommend it

Ooo my bad my bad

So I'm having heaps of trouble w rouge trader

I dont really understand what skills are good and it's getting really complex

Iv always been bad at those kind of games : /

[dapper gyro]

Fallout show is more enjoyable for me.

[crisp heath]

Fallout was good , that's got a season2 on the way too... we are in New Vegas now it's gonna be awesome

Pretty accurate to the games too tbh

[dapper gyro]

And it is not just a retelling of the game story.

Which I find jarring with TLOU show. Yes, there are differences, but still mostly it.

[crisp heath]

The differences if anything make the show nicer to watch in tlou

[dapper gyro]

I will wait to see the reaction with TLOU season 2. I dislike the 2nd game a bit.

[crisp heath]

I didn't play either of the games except a brief part of number 1 at a freinds house

But I know what happens at the start of 2 and that's all I need to know lmao

feel v sorry for the people who don't know whats coming

[dapper gyro]

I'm not* annoyed about that part.

[crisp heath]

Yeah I wonder if the shows going to change that lol

[raven stone]

...

Legiones Imperialis stuff again -.-

What a massive letdown of a day

[dapper gyro]

My bad, I wanted to wrote "not annoyed"...

[crisp heath]

Ahhh

Well I mean he did have it coming

[dapper gyro]

The other characters though... they get killed and that's it, no one remember them.

[hallow saddle]

Once again I email games workshop to beg for the RSS feed to return

[gray umbra]

Step 1 blade dancer psyker
Step 2 set yourself on fire
Step 3 crit

[crisp heath]

It's abit overwhelming lol I try look for build guides and can't really find anything

Oh I don't even have the blade dancer

[raven stone]

Instructions unclear.
Have more Primaris Marine articles.

[crystal forum]

me looking for HH stuff and getting mostly imperialis

[hallow saddle]

tiny game

[shadow plover]

best game

[barren prawn]

SO

the emperor can cure nurgle pox from the khan but can cure the thousand sons

this fucking dude

im pretty sure now he just let the heresy happen

like theres a bunch of theories online on how the emperor decided which sons would fall and wouldnt in order to make sure he won

but if he just left the thousand sons on terra i dont see how that alone wouldnt have just won him the war or at least given terra a massive leg up

if magnus was loyal who would have taken his place as traitor?

[shadow plover]

Magnus was supposed to sit on the golden throne

[barren prawn]

ye

but my issue was if magnus is that important to the plan why let him and his chaos infested sons off terra

all he had to do was give them a little library on terra sit them there and none of the bad shit would have happened

[hallow saddle]

he had a galaxy to conquer and needed all the legions out there

[meager zinc]

Ngl i think the primarchs are the lamest part of 40k lore

[hallow saddle]

yer pretty much

[dapper gyro]

It kinds of is.

[hallow saddle]

its mainly 30k

[dapper gyro]

Though, his prediction went a little wrong.

[meager zinc]

But the necrons have the technology to seal warp space openings?

[hallow saddle]

yer theyre Blackstone-pilled

[meager zinc]

So can necron tombs get pulled into the warp?

[dapper gyro]

Necrons used to battle against god like beings, it is normal for them.

[celest dome]

Black Stone Fortresses have entered the Warp before, so probably

[dapper gyro]

They can also go to sub dimension of real space to "teleport".

[meager zinc]

Yeah i guess they can't deal with the chaos problem cuz they ain't all woken up yet.

Well they're also infighting too, right?

[dapper gyro]

Yes, what the necrons are is just a sliver of what they once were.

[meager zinc]

Tyranids are the only faction that can really suppress the warp to any significant degree currently

[storm jungle]

My issue is more like

the Emperor's powers allow him to basically do whatever he wants

until of course he needs to go dumbass mode because the Heresy has to happen

its one of my favorite parts of the HH

[barren prawn]

🚬

[meager zinc]

Unless he chose the hersey to happen

[barren prawn]

i am going to treat my siege expert like SHIT

and my defence expert im gonna love him and tell him more of my secrets

[storm jungle]

he didnt

that is one of the worst theories ever

him letting the Heresy happen essentially doomed his entire plan/existence

[dapper gyro]

The HH has to happen because GW made it so, not the Big E will.

[meager zinc]

Nah dog he's playing 6D chess don't you see? Tzeentch doesn't even see what he's doin 😎

[barren prawn]

maybe he knew he was going to end up as a god but didnt want it to happen

[storm jungle]

[hexed orchid]

Unless his plan was to end up on the throne sucking up all those delicious psykers

[storm jungle]

maybe I knew I was gonna shoot you but allah made the bullet traverse across the globe to hit you

[barren prawn]

🙄

u wont do shit

[meager zinc]

Okay so the Great Game between the Chaos Gods is so huge, all their doings in the galaxy is them just glancing at it, right?

So corrupting The Emperor's plans seems pretty easy in comparison.

[storm jungle]

KIND of

they actually took the Emperor seriously mostly because he double-crossed them or "stole" from them or some shit, once Big E got backshotted by Horus they went back to the status quo

like when Horus and the Emperor were battling the chaos gods were literally seated on the side of the room watching it happen, fucking hilarious

[celest dome]

probably even placing bets and stuff

[storm jungle]

Im not joking.

the book actually describes them as watching it happen like its some theatre event

like present in the room no less

its so funny

[outer wave]

That's so silly

Funny but man that's so silly

[storm jungle]

a lot of the stuff in the End and the Death is lol

[celest dome]

I quite like the lore and implications of the Great game, I know many don't

[storm jungle]

"How are we gonna get Loken to Horus' flagship?"

"Well simple, just have him go through some door on the Palace and teleport there"

[outer wave]

It'd have been cooler if he strapped himself to a rocket and went up to Horus' flagship from there

[storm jungle]

or rocket jump, smh

[outer wave]

Halo 3 Rocket Jumping

[outer wave]

What sort of stuff is implied with The Great Game?

[viral halo]

This happens often in red rising

[storm jungle]

shut the fuck up siggy

[outer wave]

Folks strapping themselves to rockets?

Based

[storm jungle]

your redmondering is not welcome here

✋

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I really liked how that worked, especially since it wouldn’t make much sense for Loken to have boarded otherwise.

The issue was just how long it went on and repeated itself

[viral halo]

Break the chains

[storm jungle]

Yeah my issue is more they KEEP using the Warp to cover inconsistencies, which I get its how the Warp is made to function with the plot but when it happens in every single chapter it kinda loses its meaning

[celest dome]

Old Great Game does imply that there have been multiple games, and that those won't be the last, hence the Chaos god not being 'born' in the Warp, but that being an interpretation by the people in setting

[storm jungle]

its a lot better when like Abaddon and co board their plane and are about to take off and suddenly end up on the Vengeful Spirit

and the thunderhawk also changes to Luna Wolf colors, and abbie is like "Just dont think about it"

[outer wave]

Ahh I see I see. I'm surprised more people don't see the chaos gods as stand ins for us the players tbh

Like they sort of fit us as players who just like to dick around because we're bored and we want to play with our favorite lil champions and make our own lil disgusting creations

[sly ivy]

Yes it is

[sly ivy]

Alternative title of End and the Death iii

Abaddon’s Bad Day

[storm jungle]

No its not.

[sly ivy]

Is

[tall plinth]

White scars!!!!

[sacred bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/mhrw-raghavrao-reading-gif-22016888

Once he got what by Horus???

[storm jungle]

UHHH

SPOILERS

[sacred bluff]

[dapper gyro]

Thrusted

Back door style

[crystal forum]

that would make sense if there was one overall god who has omnipotence over the entire setting, but there isn't. How would that explain players who are imperium lovers

i know DND has some sort of mysterious guy who has power over everything and he's supposed to be the DM

[outer wave]

Khorne, basically: he's just a wargamer and he enjoys all things military, which can be seen with his regiments having things like flagbearers

[remote widget]

Fabius thinks firstborn and primaris are flawed, but have we ever heard his opinion on custodes?

[crystal forum]

that feels like a stretch

[outer wave]

It is a stretch

But it's my stretch

[dapper gyro]

It is flawed, but he can't improve on it despite the time and resource he has.

He has 10k years and probably the best of the geneseed collected by the Chaos warbands in general.

He has a "Perfect Fulgrim", yes nice, he can't even control it, so for him, it is also flawed.

[young pecan]

||BETANCORE IS DEAD ||

These time skips in Eisenhorn are ridiculous

[storm jungle]

hahaha owned

[young pecan]

Also I just got my first impression of a witchfinder

[crystal forum]

the second book skips 100 years from the first book it's insane

[young pecan]

Is that a specific kind of person or is it just a title of psyker-racists

[young pecan]

I KNOW MAN

I'm a little into the second one rn

[crystal forum]

i asked this question and dilara yelled at me

[storm jungle]

NO I DIDNT

[storm jungle]

Random madeup generic title some Inquisitors/psyker hunters use, its nothing special

[young pecan]

So you're a racist

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

it's not an inquisitor in the book

it's the ecclesiarch equivalent

sounds cool as a concept but it's an abnetverse creation

[young pecan]

Is it not canon?

[storm jungle]

it is

"witchfinder" gets used in other material, but again its just a Generic Evil Title

its like daemonhunter, just plopped in somewhere because it sounds cool

[young pecan]

Ecclesiarch inquisitors seem even more annoying than stereotypical inquisitors

That makes sense

[storm jungle]

basically imagine an evangelist but he can shoot you

basically what they are really

[crystal forum]

dan abnet creates canon

[storm jungle]

lol

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hypnosis-mkultra-mind-control-gif-13434861076506246835

[crystal forum]

whether what he creates catches on or not is the question

[young pecan]

psykers

[crystal forum]

ecclesiarchy is pretty neglected for me

they have sisters of battle and uh

[young pecan]

Welcome to Ecclesiarchy

[crystal forum]

i wish they had more units

[young pecan]

We have Sisters of Battle (public image nearly ruined by fanbase being thirsty and some of their official design concepts)

And we have angry people with flamethrowers

That's it

[crystal forum]

it's a shame because they're a huge power in the setting

[storm jungle]

I mean they literally cant have a standing army.

They are a political entity

[crystal forum]

not an army but more elite units

like their equivalent of assassins

[tall plinth]

the horned up mf who thought it made sense to put “ass” twice in “assassins”

[young pecan]

mf assins

[remote widget]

They can't have a frateris militia?, if they could im sure they claim an all female army is cool

[storm jungle]

It depends on the situation

fraeteris half the time are literally legions of homeless people

the sororitas also "work" for the ecclesiarchy but are also essentially their watchdogs

[green loom]

I don't think it's outright stated that the reason sisters exist is because they're women

[storm jungle]

Its always been a legal loophole ye

[green loom]

Also militias/shrine guard/crusader houses and shit all still exist