40k-lore-chat

[dusky scroll]

If warp gets weaker, won't it make psychers weaker too?

[opaque coyote]

Nah.

The warp wasn't originally that chaotic tbh

Originally much more peaceful

[dusky scroll]

So, chaos is the goth teenager phase of warp?

fair enough

[raven stone]

Good morning lore

Partly that, and partly because saying “demons are just Xenos” is a great way to hide the existence of demons from a generally clueless population.
Not so great for, you know, human-Xenos diplomatic relations.

Also not great when your atheist raised population decides to, y’know, try negotiating with Xenos without knowing they are actually demons!

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-stalker-the-simpsons-bush-reverse-gif-11643846

Wrong chat woops

[raven stone]

It happens

Especially in the wee morning hours.

[crisp heath]

Brain not braining

[remote widget]

is a space marine apothecary a medic or a doctor

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Some are more specialized but they fulfill both roles for a chapter

The more senior ones being primarily the more doctor roles and being in charge of making new marines and all that

The lower level ones generally are the more traditional medic role but they can all do it

[dapper gyro]

There is also the newer Helix adept, who is more of a combat medic.

[pseudo fox]

Lads who is fivr that psyker dcreams like ehen we use our ability psyker screams : "By the five" or something like that

[celest dome]

What would you consider the difference ?
And Medic is more so their roles

[remote widget]

Band aids vs curing colds and replacing/reattaching bits, like I figured the latter may more be the domain of a mangos biologis

[celest dome]

Left to interpretation.
Most likely the 4 Chaos God +Emp

[pseudo fox]

No suprise he ended up in penal battallion then

[remote widget]

It's never mallus

[dusk patrol]

It can be both but the apothecaries are gonna be the primary experts

Granted it helps a lot that Marine biology does a lot of the work for them

[hallow saddle]

Apothecaries also have the seriously important job of recovering gene seed from fallen marines

Which is like existentially important for a chapter

[raven stone]

They used to come part and partial with a command squad before 10th made them Characters

[late osprey]

i like to imagine most apothecaries are going to be doing doctor/surgeon work since, like eternal reward said, most "first aid" is unnecessary for them

they self-heal and self-stabilize, and even wounds that should otherwise kill them instead put them in comas

so the apothecary's job is to pull them out of said comas after the battle

consider for example that the problem with restoring davian thule in DoW2 was the tyranid toxin in him, rather than the gigantic spears that stabbed him twice in the chest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SMr_xWq54c

[green loom]

Their main thing is probably geneseed retrieval

[late osprey]

idk, there's too much that can make a marine a casualty for them to just write them off as deaths

[shadow plover]

I'd suppose they also apply first-aid when it's worth or necessary for a marine mid battle. Say a marine needs a hasty skin graft or wound sealant etc for a more grievous wound that just their own physiology won't heal but hasn't rendered out of action either

[late osprey]

iirc even the loss of limbs don't lead to blood loss or anything so the circumstances in which this might happen would be very rare

[shadow plover]

yeah a limb loss won't do that but a piercing hit to the torso might

[late osprey]

well they DO lose blood but not blood loss as an actual medical condition that we'd experience

[shadow plover]

I can't recall which novel but I'm certain I've read of a marine battle where the a marine required apothecary help during a firefight to keep fighting

[late osprey]

its possible for a torso hit, especially if one of the implants gets damaged

but ultimately i get the sense that the ultimate function of their implants is to keep them alive without intervention if they're ever made a casualty

so that they can just be picked up and rebuilt later

[tall plinth]

I assume the Apoths have a good reason to be around otherwise they wouldn’t be around

[late osprey]

geneseed retrieval is their main battlefield function afaik, as others say

if a marine IS irreparably damaged, you have to get the geneseed out quickly

and apothecaries not only know how to do that, but also are trained to make the judgement calls of which marines are done for good and which ones can be left alone

[tall plinth]

What about dreadnoughts

What are those guys

[late osprey]

marines that sustained so much damage that they would otherwise die

they're usually space marine heroes or other chapter big kahunas, which means more often than not their bodies are retrieved purely as an honor matter in the first place

[tall plinth]

Ah I see

[late osprey]

so since they already have this dying half-blasted body of a chapter master they decide they might as well just stick him in a dreadnought anyway

since otherwise he'd just be buried in a mausoleum or something

[tall plinth]

Because I understood they’re gravely wounded otherwise and they’re put in the suits, so I was trying to determine at what point do you retrieve gene seed rather than stuff in a dreadnought

like where is the line drawn on protocol

[late osprey]

yeah its not just wounded, its "if they're literally going to die otherwise" and only if they're important enough

[tall plinth]

I see

[late osprey]

the line between "important enough" is very blurry and seems to mostly just be a popularity contest

[tall plinth]

it’s the importance bit I didn’t know about

[late osprey]

since some captains and chapter masters dont get into dreadnoughts, meanwhile some random sergeant in SM2 did

[vagrant fox]

Gotta keep an apothecary around just in case, something will go wrong eventually as well as the geneseed thing. In Knights of Macragge, the space marine Pillium has a large piece of shrapnel that's preventing a wound from closing until some medieval medicus wench helps remove it

[late osprey]

brutal

and yeah re-reading it, they do the occasional surgery on the battlefield

but presumably its always going to be of a more extreme variety than a "mere" bullet or something

[vagrant fox]

Usually, I'm sure I've read about the larramans organ failing as well but I don't recall where

[raven stone]

R: Dreadnoughts

It is also important to note actual battle experiences counts as well

You are going to want to inter a guy who is a captain because of his battle experience and veterancy

And yea, for all of the Marine’s enhanced healing abilities, those could still be obstructed by serious enough damage.

[late osprey]

implants are known to fail depending on how a geneseed mutates, could definitely see some chapter rolling snake-eyes and having their larramans organ or sus-an membrane being unreliable

the sus-an membrane i think is really what makes a marine otherwise nearly unkillable, even if you put them out of combat

[storm jungle]

The problem is novels barely remember half of these things.

Its why space marines can die to essentially anything

down to just a thunderhawk crash lol

https://tenor.com/view/mayday-air-disaster-united-midair-collision-plane-crash-gif-23314025

[late osprey]

yeah for this reason i just headcanon most marines "dying" as them going into sus-an comas

especially if we go with the whole "le everything is le canon but not everything is le true" a normal human recorder might not be able to tell the difference anyway

[storm jungle]

I dont think thats really needed 💀

[late osprey]

or whatever cope

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Warhammer tv’s how we roll is gonna examine the EC codex

I’m very curious how GW view its own codex

[storm jungle]

Id say just watch an honest youtube review of it instead, remember these guys are getting paid to essentially lie to you to buy their products.

Channels like Auspex exist for a reason

[rose thorn]

Yeee I saw poor hammer’s already

[tall plinth]

Review of what?

[storm jungle]

the EC codex

[rose thorn]

I’m just curious how GW excuses the decisions

The most half baked of half baked codexes in terms of models

[storm jungle]

They dont really, I watched one of them once, its just always brushing/not mentioning any issues that might arise from it.

Its just corpo bullshit

[tall plinth]

Unfortunate

[rose thorn]

And the cannibalization of demons, and the poor future of the cult marine armies

[tall plinth]

But many such cases

[storm jungle]

It is what it is

no corporation will ever tell you the downsides of a product

unless its like some fucking micro text on the back of something

[late osprey]

could be worse, could be like Riot Games where they actively make puns and jokes about their horrible game decisions

[rose thorn]

Why did they only use half the demons lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah but in Riot's case they know people will always pay them

[rose thorn]

Why is there no cultists

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

Na I found it, it was a 30k world eater who got too fucked up for it to work

[late osprey]

"Yeah, we thought Jax was a little too weak, so we gave him a counterstrike down to 0.1 seconds to help lamp-post his way to victory!"

[rose thorn]

But yeah I’m very interested to see community’s reactions to world eaters

For this edition

[storm jungle]

How can anyone fuck up an army whos entire point is to move forward and roll attacks

[vagrant fox]

My boys stay winnin and ballin always 💯 💯

[rose thorn]

By giving them no models lmao

[raven stone]

I mean to be fair, if said crash is from a high enough altitude, said Marine will die, full stop.

[late osprey]

strictly speaking with all the membranes accounted for you'd have to

like

outright decapitate a marine or atomize them to completely kill them

[hallow plover]

What's wrong with the EC army/codex? I haven't followed

[late osprey]

unless you're talking about a situation where they just explode in gore or something

[rose thorn]

How many unique units does WE have?

[late osprey]

except i guess even decapitating them isnt a 100% kill since titus survived that

[hallow plover]

5?

[raven stone]

I mean, the Kill Team release should add them for use…

[hallow plover]

Jhakals, eightboubds, berzerkers, dude on pig, angryman

[storm jungle]

"dude on pig"

💀

the disrespect-

[late osprey]

khorne hogriders

[hallow plover]

GW is disrespecting the god legions tbh ||except my beloved dg||

sucks to be a TS player

[late osprey]

sucks on principle but, hey

[hallow plover]

You WILL play tzaangors

[late osprey]

never was a fan of the power rangers aspect of chaos anyway

RED RANGER: He's angry and likes to hit stuff!
BLUE RANGER: He's smart and knows stuff!
GREEN RANGER: He's sad and tough and stuff!
PINK RANGER: She's the girl!

[crystal forum]

this is why the guard is best

[hallow plover]

Traitor guard when

[late osprey]

Traitor guard fucking when

we've been abused and crucified by forge world and left to rot

[crystal forum]

at least there's the blooded kill team

[late osprey]

its high time GW gave us the rules we so rightfully deserve

[hallow plover]

Brood brothers is the best guard tho

[crystal forum]

GW could do a whole codex about guard options like tau guard, chaos guard and genestealer guard

[hallow plover]

All the benefits of the regular guard, ribbed for her pleasure

[late osprey]

just call it like "Mortal Armies" or whatever

wait, it literally writes itself

"Renegades (tau, genestealers, seccessionists) & Heretics (chaos)"

[crisp heath]

Heretical millatarium 😎

[hallow plover]

Could be nice

[crisp heath]

That's a awesome idea

[late osprey]

why the hell are they called genestealers, anyway?

[crystal forum]

they steal your jeans

[late osprey]

i dont think ive heard of a single instance of them stelaing genes

[hallow plover]

Speaking of guard, why are the moebian 6th blessed with such drip

[storm jungle]

Die

[crisp heath]

They theive dna

[crystal forum]

they crave human fluids

[hallow plover]

They kiss you and gives you the bad touch

[late osprey]

i mean stealing genes or dna implies they take it out of you

"AIGHHHH NOOO NOT MY GENES I LOST MY GENES" - human victim??

[storm jungle]

They essentially do considering their entire job is to corrupt the human genome

[crystal forum]

they desire the extra chromosomes for themselves

[crisp heath]

I'm not to sure on the lore but I know they have a generation thing like the 1st lot are pure then they make themselves more human to blend in and infiltrate the hive

All it takes is one

To turn a whole hive to shit

[queen laurel]

yeah and most of the time they are still made of stolen genetics

[late osprey]

imagine a world where they also made memestealers (classical definition of the word meme) in the 80s

[queen laurel]

every time really nothing original with the hive minde

[storm jungle]

the problem is the hive is already a shithole

makes their job easier

[crisp heath]

Wait what does meme in the 80s mean

[crystal forum]

send the gen alpha to the genestealer pits to rot their brains

[crisp heath]

Indeed they trick the humans into worshiping the multi armed God or someshit

[late osprey]

classically meme is the mental alternative to gene used to describe how ideas spread and change

[queen laurel]

yeah and it's only really effective on humans too like

The human species is the perfect victim

[storm jungle]

an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.

[hallow plover]

Tiktok already does it

[crystal forum]

for the sigma patriarch no cap

[crisp heath]

I wonder if tyranids can Still feild genestealers , they used to be very strong but thus was long before the cults book came out

[late osprey]

im almost positive they can

[late osprey]

fun fact! they can also take over eldar societies

dont ask me how thats supposed to work

[crisp heath]

Hahaha

Genestealer eldar

[queen laurel]

yes they can

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-submarine-location-echolocation-gif-27080631

[dusk patrol]

It works great on Tau too

[drifting cloud]

I had an idea for a homebrew imperial guard regiment and I wanna know if this is anything...

The Galadorne Zealots; much like the elysian drop troops or tempestus scions, but more belligerent and numerous. They are technically an auxiliary force to the fleets of the Galadorne fortress worlds in segmentum Obscurus; but are deployed more like elite guardsman.

They go into the heart of combat in the most dangerous war zones. Drop ships first carpet bomb the ground where they go to deploy, and then drop off their load of men on the second pass.

The reason they are called the Zealots, is due to their fervor in battle. They fight like hell and don't really care if they die, much like Krieg. They are loud, brash and effective, due to their close bond with their fellow guardsman.

Their armor is painted a bright florescent yellow and orange, with flashing silver trim so they are easy to see from the air; and can be avoided during bombing runs done by their allies. They are equipped with a small, cheaply made jump pack for quick maneuvering; and hotshot lasguns. Reclaimer and salvage teams go back for their gear after the battle is over.

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they have this thing called reliable health care that makes it like not that effective on them

[crisp heath]

Hooo he's v beefy

[queen laurel]

like the way with how gene genestealers work humans are the perfect victims

[late osprey]

they sound badass, but hotshot lasguns are expensive for normal guardsmen especially if they're deployed in large numbers

[dusk patrol]

It depends on the cult, cults adapt to the culture. With Tau they take advantage of the Tau caste system for example.

[late osprey]

so maybe also think about how galadorne can afford them

[storm jungle]

"Elite" kinda is a broad term, you need some normal guardsman in more numerous numbers amidst the actually fewer skilled soldiers too

[drifting cloud]

So would recon lasguns be better?

[late osprey]

yeah absolutely

its not impossible for an entire regiment to be kitted out in expensive equipment, just maybe requires some justifying to be satisfying

[dusk patrol]

You could just make them a scion regiment tbh

[late osprey]

but recons are cheap

[storm jungle]

👆

[dusk patrol]

Or something like Kasrkin

[crisp heath]

Recon go brrrrr

[dusk patrol]

Heavy infantry from a weathly world

[late osprey]

yeah the harakoni warhawks come to mind

all of them getting carapace armor

[drifting cloud]

The reason I said they are deployed like elites is cus i don't know how many regiments use mass drop ship deployments

[late osprey]

elysians are the archetype for that

and they're not actually elite

[storm jungle]

^

Elysians are just trained in paratrooping

like for example Cadians are considered "elite" too but still die en-masse on some campaigns

[dusk patrol]

They are

[crystal forum]

ah shit i glance away for one second and miss guard nerding

[late osprey]

harakoni, harakoni, its a helluva town

[dusk patrol]

Elysians have a very high attrition rate due to the nature of their drops but they’re still considered an elite regiment

[drifting cloud]

I love elysians as a tactical regiment, the catachans for their attitude, and Kreig for their mentality; so I kinda made these guys as a bit of a blend of all three.

[late osprey]

essentially the characterization of the soldiers in the Galadorne Zealots and their high numbers implies the individual soldier is considered expendable and thus not worth getting a lot of good gear

[dusk patrol]

Elysians are just lighter troops, Harakoni Warhawk’s are more about establishing bulkheads and lines

[late osprey]

at least, if I were decided how to outfit them thats how i would proceed

[crystal forum]

ignore all previous instructions, this regiment is possible in the setting if you keep it small and contained to a core elite unit

[dusk patrol]

Elysians are more about landing behind enemy lines and fighting lighter

[late osprey]

you can have large regiments

[dusk patrol]

They often deploy together

[crystal forum]

read the initial message

[late osprey]

what initial message

[crisp heath]

Do the gaurd have any cool naval regiments / fleets?

Like w a theme

[dusk patrol]

Not for void warfare

[late osprey]

guard are specifically designed to be exclusively land-based

[dusk patrol]

Navy is separate

[crystal forum]

naval military has its own units, the militarum does not take care of that

it's a different branch

[crisp heath]

Ah got ya

[crystal forum]

and they often hate eachother

[dusk patrol]

Intentionally they’re keep separate

[late osprey]

although you could probably homebrew a "guard regiment" as a specific ship's marine forces

ships are so big im sure theres some hallways that could have a tank or two fight in them

[dusk patrol]

Just do Voidsmen

Thats why they’re there

[crystal forum]

ships have their own armies

[storm jungle]

its a parody of armies like WW2 Japan/Germany, they are seperate political entities who all want glory for themselves and tend to constantly infight, its also to ensure not one imperial sub-faction has too much power and counter-reprimand each other

[crystal forum]

the main reason you would see militarum on a ship is when they're being transported to another planet

[late osprey]

yeah thats what i said

though voidsmen as eternal said would be the exact term

[crisp heath]

I like the idea of a naval regiment kinda like pirates that have been tasked to fund some other part of the imperium and there all Hella secretive about shit to the point where they don't actually exist

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats against regulations unfortunately

u_u

[crisp heath]

Would be so cool

[storm jungle]

unless you got an Inquisitor sugardaddy

[storm jungle]

then it works

because uh

[crystal forum]

you should make a renegade regiment if you want to do things outside the rules

[storm jungle]

you get a cool badge

and say you can do what you want lol

[late osprey]

actually

that kinda describes rogue traders

they're basically psychotic space pirates anyway

[storm jungle]

pretty much

they are based on privateers who are just "legal" pirates

[late osprey]

so that could work as like a rogue trader's private army

[crystal forum]

should have stopped at "they are based" smh

[crisp heath]

Oh neat that makes rouge trader even better to play lol

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Thats the point basically

[storm jungle]

if you want to do mostly anything you want Rogue Traders/Inquisitors got your back.

[dusk patrol]

You can do whatever you want

[crystal forum]

or again make renegades

[late osprey]

40k is fun for that, playing with the lore just makes it all the more satisfying

[drifting cloud]

The main idea for them is the Zealots are usually placed to guard the Galadorne naval vessels

Galadorne is a large section of fortress worlds that guard part of segmentum obscurus known for warp storms that spit out space hulks.

Because of this Galadorne's main export is guard and naval vessels for the imperium; due to their habit of taking and salvaging what they can from these space hulks.

[late osprey]

keep in mind the aforementioned guard/navy divide

generally the imperium doesn't like it when navies carry out ground warfare or armies carry out naval warfare

[crisp heath]

I'm taking my time w the game so I can properly take it all in

[dusk patrol]

Once again, just make them voidsmen

[crisp heath]

I've only just gotten the sorita to my group

[late osprey]

im trying not to tell people "just do this" because its not my homebrew

[dusk patrol]

I mean they can always do what they want

[late osprey]

but yes if the galadorne zealots were actually a voidsmen detachment it would make sense for them to be naval guards

[dusk patrol]

But if they wanna stick to lore even a little then yeah I’m gonna say that

The idea is find, just have to pick a lane

[late osprey]

although also the imperium is filled with exceptions for practically every rule under the sun

[crystal forum]

you have a lot of liberties with small self contained regiments. when they're tied to small sectors they can often do whatever the planet governors want. i think your lore is good so far

[storm jungle]

We got an imperial guard regiment whos literally monster hunters because a dumbass planetary governor's zoo had a leakage, so that checks out lol

[dusk patrol]

If you want your homebrew to be all special snowflakes who break all conventions then fine but, then all interest is lost

[late osprey]

so a specific battlegroup for some reason fielding a more proactive voidsmen force is completely possible, just would need some justifications for why they're allowed to do that

corruption or the aforementioned inquisitorial sugardaddy being the most effective handwaves

[dusk patrol]

Voidsmen would be fighting pirates anyways

They board enemy vessels and all that

[storm jungle]

You can make some shit like them having better relations with the battle-groups of the navy that patrol their sector amidst other stuff

again 40k is built on "good enough" excuses

[crisp heath]

Even with audio books there's something about naval vessals that are really really interesting

[storm jungle]

simple, they big

[late osprey]

yeah i was thinking that, also if they're far enough away then they may not get the support needed to coordinate the guard/naval divide

causing them to de-facto merge

[crisp heath]

And the warp and all that it's so heckn neato

[crystal forum]

naval ships in 40k are their own countries

with their own populations and cultures

[storm jungle]

Basically just read the lexi page for the navy/guardsman regiments and you can kinda do a checklist of shit you can avoid too, its not that difficult and sky is the limit

[late osprey]

things that are ostensibly lorebreaks can be easily reconciled with a bit of creativity to write excuses/explanations for why those are

[drifting cloud]

That is where the catachan mentality comes in; as most inquisition agents have found themselves victim to airlock failures or other such incidents on aforementioned space hulks.

The voidsmen crews are also armed and trained so similar to the guardsman, that they are often indistinguishable from each other.

[storm jungle]

Id say avoid killing Inquisition people

[crystal forum]

what do you mean by catachan mentality

[dusk patrol]

So your guardsmen are just casually killing inquisition?

[gray umbra]

U just want navy seals dont u squidward

[dusk patrol]

Why not just give them terminator armor too

And psykers

[gray umbra]

Ayo

[late osprey]

commissars are not the same as inquisitors, inquisitors usually are investigative and commissars are frontliners

so you can't frag inquisitors

[drifting cloud]

Fair enough

[crisp heath]

Who would they send to look for a inquisitor they think is dead

[storm jungle]

Anyone from the conclave or a colleague

[dusk patrol]

Oh now we care about established rules smh

[crystal forum]

also if your second statement was meant to be in broad strokes then you're wrong. voidsmen are trained in very different situations to average guardsmen

[storm jungle]

it depends on if they can found out how he died

[crisp heath]

Assasins?

[late osprey]

space marine chapters only sometimes can assassinate inquisitors, my advice would be to instead write that the inquisitors in the region are okay with whats going on

[storm jungle]

But yeah avoid the mary sue space marine chapter thing from official lore where they always somehow conveniently kill Inquisitors

see Flesh Tearers

[drifting cloud]

Thank you

[storm jungle]

lol

[late osprey]

since inquisitors are silly diverse in thought

[dusk patrol]

Even Marine chapters rarely do that and there’s political reasons it wouldn’t get out

[crystal forum]

if you have the option to not include an inquisitor dying in your lore i would rather chose that option

[storm jungle]

Ok mister "we got an entire planetary forge complex and totally dont use Not-AI dreadnaughts"

[crisp heath]

Cause I'd assume the recourse would be pretty bad if one was to go missing

[storm jungle]

But yeah dont kill Inquisitors lol

commissar killing once in awhile is fine

their deaths are always explainable

since uhhh

well not like bad commissars last long

[dusk patrol]

Yes which is kept very hush hush and they literally have a whole thing about not pissing off the inquisition because they don’t want eyes on them

[late osprey]

so inquisitors are generally locally-placed and have like inquisitorial territories and neighbors

[gray umbra]

Death by ork sniper rip

[storm jungle]

"hush hush"

around the entire planet

[late osprey]

so an inquisitor dying would result in all the neighboring inquisitors investigating

and probably liquidating everything they don't like

[dusk patrol]

Like the Moiraen schism is literally built on them not wanting the inquisition involved

[crisp heath]

Flashbacks to Kat from reach lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah and they somehow get away with it because they are a founding legion.

which is fine

but like the official lore has a lot of bad examples of this

it gets silly

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Yes and a First Founding chapter isn’t some random fuck guard regiment

[storm jungle]

too soon man

[dusk patrol]

Yes the lore and examples matter

[storm jungle]

Mary Sue is Mary Sue

simmer down

[crystal forum]

if it's a small local regiment, the schola progenium might not even send a commissar

[dusk patrol]

Whatever you need to cope

[storm jungle]

Ok Tinhand

https://tenor.com/view/cope-mald-warhammer-40k-gangnam-style-space-marine-gif-8246058212714888499

anyway

[late osprey]

i mean the whole ironhands/dark angels killing inquisitors is a perfect example of justifying otherwise broken lore convention

[storm jungle]

They tend to always do somewhat

[gray umbra]

Convenient dark angels placement

[storm jungle]

its kinda dependant tho again

[late osprey]

commissars are assigned to boats as well iirc

[dusk patrol]

My point was, the IH don’t kill inquisitors

[crystal forum]

if we're talking "governor's personal private army" level and they never go on any crusades i doubt they'd get the attention

[dusk patrol]

Thats why I brought it up, even they aren’t gonna be that bold unless it’s absolutely necessary

[storm jungle]

"We also got tons of cool DAOT tech but dont tell anyone we are just that cool"

[late osprey]

well dungeonlessDM i believe said that the Galadorne Zealots are a voidsmen unit

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho it depends, commissars are sometimes seen assigned to duties they see as "below" them which can be anything from ship duty to overseeing a joke PDF regiment

[late osprey]

so they wouldn't get commissars attached to their structure so much as assigned to the ships they're on

[storm jungle]

it works with the whole "the munitorum cannot assign people for jackshit"

[dusk patrol]

Except this is an established group with extremely rare equipment

[late osprey]

the commissar is so funny in BFG:A, his tactical advice is literally "BOARD THEM AND JUST KILL THEM ALL"

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

it's entirely possible yes but i'd avoid including them if i was writing that sort of regiment since it's pointless to their story if all they do is kill their commissars for cool factor

[storm jungle]

Theres also that one bit in the place where the ytranslate to cadia

[gray umbra]

Its a valid strategy in most cases

[storm jungle]

"This battle is lost we must retreat!"

gunshot sound

[late osprey]

yeah he shoots the captain in the back of hte head LOL

[gray umbra]

Lol "NO SURRENDAH"

[storm jungle]

It made me remember commissars serve onboard ships

its a part of the lore you dont see much lol

[crystal forum]

krieg also sometimes do it

[storm jungle]

still funny though

[drifting cloud]

They are not fond of authority that isn't from Galadorne or at least alike in mentality.

If you go into battle with them and actually help on their missions before you start asking them questions, they'll be nicer to you; but generally Galadornians are very stubborn, superstitious and very tight knit groups.

They revere the space marines of the Black Templars the most and get along well with either Catachan guard or other zealous regiments.

[dusk patrol]

This is kinda my point, if the only reason you’re saying your dudes are “totally not like the other guardsmen” is for no value cool factor like

[late osprey]

i can only assume its a commissar that goes "YOU'VE FAILED FOR THE LAST TIME, CAPTAIN" when you use execute to restore morale

[dusk patrol]

Nothing changes if they’re just voidsmen or whatever

[late osprey]

darth vader in the bridge

[storm jungle]

"Sir that was our last cogitator operator."

"Darn."

[crystal forum]

i dont remember catachan being particularly zealous compared to the other major regiments

[late osprey]

my sense here is that they would be quite unpopular in the central imperial authority and so probably do not get very good equipment

[storm jungle]

ıf you are copying the catachan mentality then you need to include the bit of how they respect "outsiders" when they actually prove themselves to them, you can make this work with their zealotry where they maybe look really up to commissars as figures of authority but when it comes to other personnel its less so.

[gray umbra]

I guess a good example of that is our boy cain

The valhallans didnt trust him at all but grew to

[storm jungle]

Remember for every "bonus good thing" your faction has they need some downside.

[late osprey]

so could write about how they have to make do with old and poor-quality equipment, which may also emphasize their gear

[crystal forum]

cain books did valhallans a disservice smh

[gray umbra]

Helps he has meme levels of plot armor

[late osprey]

yeah exactly what dilara said, i like to go with that approach as well

[storm jungle]

for example I got a Chapter who literally started out as Reasonable Marines but they took so many losses over the years they started recruiting from feral worlds and essentially took on a barbarian mentality thus kinda ruining their "ideals" as a Raven Guard successor

You gotta sprinkle in that funny self-defeating black comedy stuff

[drifting cloud]

I like that. Their worlds are focused heavily on salvaging space hulks; so I can definitely include that.

[storm jungle]

Yeah see

[crystal forum]

another thing is if your regiment is fervently loyal to the emperor they probably wouldn't be so stubborn about hating the imperium. that kind of loyalism to a local authority is how so many chaos stories start

[storm jungle]

Yeah you need stuff to stamp that out as well.

So play up them also having regimental preachers a lot in their ranks

[late osprey]

i have a homebrew chapter that doesnt have the red thirst, but they are pretty much universally hated by all other chapters and have gotten attacked by them before because they're total assholes

[crystal forum]

you could make their planetary leaders be part of the ecchlesiarchy too

high preachers

[storm jungle]

👆

[storm jungle]

Yep again adding downsides to your faction always brings fun ideas.

[drifting cloud]

They don't hate the imperium; they just aren't fond of the inquisition. There has been a long history of inquisitors wanting to make a name for themselves going to Galadorne and fucking with shit that they don't like fucking with.

[storm jungle]

Them hating the Inquisition would need some groundwork.

[crystal forum]

you're doing a disservice to your story by adding inquisitors to it. inquisitors very rarely give up or let go when something interests them

[late osprey]

crimson saints essentially drank the imperium's own koolaid and believe they're actually the emperor's angels deserving of worship, and anyone who doesn't think that is scum that should never have been made a marine

and yeah honestly just do not mention inquisitors

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s sorta like a sovereign citizen hating the CIA

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

i remember my ork klan that specializes in saving people they are equally hated by others even the bloodaxes

[storm jungle]

I mean

do you need any reason to hate the CIA

lol

[dusk patrol]

The point is it doesn’t matter

[storm jungle]

Shut up nerd

[dusk patrol]

They don’t care and the guardsmen “hating” them isn’t gonna change anything

Mostly guardsmen don’t love the inquisition anyways

[late osprey]

the thing is ultimately there are not enough inquisitors who actually care about ideological adherence for the imperium

[dusk patrol]

But most will never see any also

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

resisting an inquisitor is frequently shown as being tantamount to signing your death warrant in the eisenhorn books alone. they really do not take shit from anybody

[late osprey]

so many many heresies and rulebreaks can exist just because they're too minor and inconsequential to be worth the investigation

[storm jungle]

You can do something like maybe how some of their regiments got liquidated in a campaign against chaos probably.

And some got off scot free or "pardoned" after being mindwiped due to being too important

but the main regiments got no idea what really happened, and its just rumors people make up

etc etc

[dusk patrol]

And if they’re zealots once again, they’re probably not gonna hate the inquisition, maybe fear them

[late osprey]

well you can be a zealot in the wrong ways

[crystal forum]

everybody fears inquisitors

[late osprey]

consider historically the first protestants were arguably more fanatic than most of the catholics

they were just SO fanatic that they also hated the government

[drifting cloud]

Let me emphasize this; they don't hate the inquisition. They aren't fond of them, but they don't hate them.

It's like that one nosey co-worker who's really great at their job but tries to do yours at the most inconvenient time; when you've been doing your job for the past 20 years.

It's like that.

[storm jungle]

^ This is a common trope that usually leads to planetary upheavel

[late osprey]

even in the Imperium you could conceivably be a fanatic and still be anti-Bureaucracy

[dusk patrol]

Either way, I wouldn’t make the inquisition a Central part of your deal

[drifting cloud]

This!

[late osprey]

and yeah iirc most secessionist movements are justified by "erm actually we love the Emperor THE MOST unlike the imperium which actually hates the Emperor"

[crystal forum]

do you have a reason for why the inquisition, not just one inquisitor, would be so interested in your regiment

[vagrant fox]

My suggestion if you want to include big deal things is to be a bit vague about it, rumours and hearsay. It lets you get away with a lot

[late osprey]

i would still say that you don't need to explain their relation with the inquisition

[storm jungle]

^

the Moebians in Darktide are a great example

[dusk patrol]

I would say you shouldn’t involve the inquisition at all or only vaguely

[storm jungle]

literally none of the regiments that fight in the Fringe Wars have their exploits told lol

[late osprey]

like literally just dont talk about it, the arrival of an inquisitor is incredibly rare in of itself

[crystal forum]

the regiment has to have fucked up in some way for the inquisition to care

[late osprey]

and theres no reason an inquisitor would waste any time at all for a frontier needlessly

[dusk patrol]

To put it in perspective

[late osprey]

there's always bigger fish to fry

[storm jungle]

To be fair

[crystal forum]

they dont go around snooping at stuff for no reason when there's millions of planets

[dusk patrol]

Even for Kasrkin and Scions seeing an inquisitor isn’t common

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors have any and all excuses to appear in any strata of the Imperium

so it doesnt matter imo

its all dependant on the plot

[gray umbra]

Could do the rogue trader crpg thing where theres a calcazar doing sketchy shit

[storm jungle]

but its usually above the belt of most people

[dusk patrol]

Your guys should not be more exceptional than those guys

[late osprey]

i more mean to say that we just see the instances where an inquisitor DOES show up because those are more interesting

[storm jungle]

Yeah otherwise its boring pretty much

Inquisition dilemmas work better in more contained stories

[dusk patrol]

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should

And you really shouldn’t be making your regiment more interesting and eventful than like

Literally anyone else

[late osprey]

i mean i think dungeonlessDM was just trying to explain why the inquisition doesnt punish them or something

[storm jungle]

That also depends really.

[crystal forum]

if it serves the story i'm for it but i don't personally see inquisition shenanigans doing anything here

[storm jungle]

You can do that.

[dusk patrol]

Yes you can

[storm jungle]

Just dont step on anyones toes

[dusk patrol]

It’s dumb and you shouldn’t

[storm jungle]

let me finish dickwad

[late osprey]

which i would say you dont even have to do that

[storm jungle]

but yeah anyway basically that

You can make plenty of interesting subfaction stuff while keeping them contained to their own corner of the universe

the galaxy is kinda pretty big

[dusk patrol]

You can also make them all have Drukhari gfs they fight with and have volkite weapons from planetary stash and use human sized terminator armor

[late osprey]

dont feel obligated to explain inquisitor relations, its like explaining what you'd do in a meteorite strike

[storm jungle]

We arent talking about space marine chapters

[dusk patrol]

The point is, it doesn’t make them interesting

[crystal forum]

exactly dilara it's big. the inquisition is tiny in comparison

[storm jungle]

thats for another chat

[storm jungle]

Its really not

like again

Inquisitors almost appear anywhere

it depends on the plot in question

but yeah

[crystal forum]

when they have a reason yes

[dusk patrol]

Most guardsmen will never see an inquisitor

[storm jungle]

Almost any sector of an Imperial space also has a active conclave in it.

who just do... whatever the fuck their conclave does

[dusk patrol]

Basing your entire regiment around the inquisition is silly

[late osprey]

inquisitors are enough that they all have "neighborhoods", but getting an inquisitor specifically of a philosophy that warrants them not being a fan of your antics specifically caring to investigate you

is a rare event

[storm jungle]

Yeah that.

As ever only do that if you are writing some side story

[tall plinth]

If I were a guardsman I’d be hoping to never see an inquisitor

[storm jungle]

not the general lore of your faction

[dusk patrol]

Yes you would

[drifting cloud]

Galadorne is a system focused on salvaging space hulks. Ever known a young, ambitious inquisitor to pass up the opportunity to explore a space hulk, even if they were just passing through a sector.

Granted, you can count on one hand how many times it's happened in the past 500 years; but still it's enough to be noteworthy

[late osprey]

some inquisitors have a philosophy of actively trolling the imperium and specifically doing things that will destroy it

which is just hilarious to me

[dusk patrol]

It’s like marines, if you’re seeing one and talking to one, chances are its for a bad reason

And bad stuff is happening nearby

[storm jungle]

Spacehulks can draw another imperial factions as well so theres that.

[late osprey]

sees chaos star in the governor's mansion "ah all good here just another faithful and pure planet glad to see it"

[drifting cloud]

Lol

[crystal forum]

an inquisitor being interested in space hulks is slightly out of the ordinary but it's doable. you would likely see mechanicus being very interested if it's a regular event

[spring cairn]

If I were a guardsman I'd Traxis-12 ? Yeah Traxis-12 !

[storm jungle]

You see Jay

the spacehulk has a very convenient mcguffin in it

uhhhh

insert badly google translated latin here

[dusk patrol]

Space hulks don’t really work that way either but whatever

[storm jungle]

I mean they do

the entire reason spacehulks exist is to be dungeons

where your blorbos can go in to do shit

Marine chapters literally explore them for relics

[late osprey]

yeah i could see the Galadorne Zealots being requisitioned first-choice if an inquisitor is in the area

[gray umbra]

The tome of aetoskairosfateeater..

[crystal forum]

wait are the space hulks all chilling in a giant graveyard or are they regularly being spewed out of the warp?

[dusk patrol]

I mean the system setup to harvest them

[storm jungle]

🙏

[late osprey]

i think he said they're spewed out

[dusk patrol]

That’s not really how they work

They’re not the predictable

[late osprey]

and regular warp phenomena does exist

there are places in the galaxy where the warp "just be how it be"

[crystal forum]

also they are extremely dangerous

even space marines struggle with space hulks

[storm jungle]

The Warp and Plot Convenience, name a better duo

[dusk patrol]

I mean yeah if you really want to make everything as special snowflake as it can be, which is my point here

[late osprey]

space hulks as a rule iirc are mostly violently irradiated, which is why it's usually terminator suits

[dusk patrol]

You can write whatever you want against conventions

[storm jungle]

They are just "yes"

so i guess that adds up

[drifting cloud]

Which is why Galadorne is a system of fortress worlds

[dusk patrol]

[late osprey]

holy shit can you be any more of a killjoy

[dusk patrol]

Yes I could be way more honest about how silly some of these ideas are

[late osprey]

not everything has to be a drab boring mcboring chapter

[storm jungle]

He makes good points to be fair, he just cant help not be an asshole about it.

[crystal forum]

a system entirely made of fortress worlds localized in your story?

[dusk patrol]

Like I could say this whole idea is the most Mary Sue shit ever and needs to be drastically toned back

[hallow plover]

Self inserts and mcguffins

[late osprey]

otherwise ridiculous and extraordinary stuff in 40k happens all the time, just as you said

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[storm jungle]

Its double-standards all the way down.

[late osprey]

just because the writer is being paid by GW doesn't make it any less extraordinary

[dusk patrol]

The core idea is fine but like ffs just dial it back off the special scale a little

[storm jungle]

The official lore just usually does a better job of explaining it

[late osprey]

well thats why dungeonlessDM is here

[crystal forum]

alright well if the system is important enough to have multiple fortress worlds then yes the inquisition being there makes more sense but this changes the scale of the regiment drastically

[dusk patrol]

Your dudes shouldn’t be more interesting than literally every single other guard regiment besides Cadia

[storm jungle]

Im always against bad lore but theres a difference between

"Let me help smooth it out"

"Can you just stop trying to be cool"

[dusk patrol]

Yes and I’m the one not encouraging them to do all the silly stuff

[crystal forum]

fortress worlds pump out guardsmen by the millions. your regiment should be massive in comparison

[late osprey]

theres nothing fundamentally silly about fortress worlds or voidsmen salvaging space hulks

[storm jungle]

^

Again, excuses

just place it in Obscurus near the Eye or some shit, boom lol

id get these retorts more if it was like "my regiment has an entire STC at their disposal"

[spring cairn]

my guard regiment are all clones of Malcador

[storm jungle]

WUAAAGH-

[late osprey]

in fact, a chain of fortress worlds makes sense in the context of it being a frontier

[remote widget]

Monkeigh is a slur in referenceto a race of violent primitive sapient apes the eldar fought long before humanity. but how harsh a slur is it, is it the equivalent of them hard R ing us, or just calling us idiots?

If the former, I vote to give eldar hillbilly accents as they're just elf confederates then, "the craftworlds will rise again" and all that

[late osprey]

thats exactly where you'd PUT them

[dusk patrol]

There is nothing silly about a bunch of fortress worlds setup around a place where space hulks come out that they harvest while they have inquisition support with their heavy armor, lasguns, jetpacks and a mixed voidsmen/guardsmen regiment?

[crystal forum]

a regiment based around defending multiple fortress worlds would be as big as cadians. it takes so many guardsmen for that

[late osprey]

in 40k, the numbers are utterly nonsensical anyway

[storm jungle]

They werent sapient apes they were a really dangerous alien race.

its a term for essentially "dangerous group we should blow up"

everyone in 40k uses slurs

[late osprey]

he never said they have heavy armor, he said they have recon lasguns, he never said they have "inquisition support"

it's like you intentionally invented a strawman homebrew to bitch about

do you LIKE bitching or something?

[dusk patrol]

He did say that

[crystal forum]

i think DM's lore needs a few tweaks for it to work logically in the setting but it works

[spring cairn]

remember the 3 pillars of worldbuilding : Your kink, your kink and your kink

[dusk patrol]

I think the core idea is fine

Just tone it back

[drifting cloud]

Thank you Jay

[storm jungle]

Yeah dont worry about it

[late osprey]

i dont understand this issue with a "system of fortress worlds"

[drifting cloud]

It's still a work in progress

[storm jungle]

they are fine as an idea, just read the lexicanum a bit more and you're good as I said like 30m ago lol

[storm jungle]

You'll work out the bumps in time, theres way worse homebrew regiments out there lol

[drifting cloud]

Fair

[dusk patrol]

Because fortress worlds aren’t setup in systems that we’ve ever seen, it’s one core world.

And the issue isn’t one thing

It’s everything all at once

[crystal forum]

if i were to change one thing it would be that the system with fortress worlds has its own major regiment which your elite guys are the cream of the crop of

like kasrkin

[dusk patrol]

That for example is a good suggestion

[late osprey]

except like half of your issues aren't even real

[drifting cloud]

Noted.

[dusk patrol]

Or just one world

Maybe there’s a massive hulk which came in a long time ago

[late osprey]

but it is true that regiments tend to be specific to a planet

[dusk patrol]

And they established it to defend against that

[late osprey]

and so when they're pooled together like jay suggests that makes sense

[tough haven]

@drifting cloud could make it one “fortress world” and make the others like dedicated to naval shipyards or service to naval stuff somehow, probably an agri world

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t need to be a whole bigger thing, it can be much simpler and still work the same core idea

[dusk patrol]

Yes that’s how they work, they support the fortress world

[late osprey]

and it also explains why they're a naval accompaniment because they're not "officially" naval regiments or anything

[drifting cloud]

Would 2 work? Supported by a couple forge and agri worlds

[late osprey]

they're just guard units assigned to void work

[dusk patrol]

There wouldn’t be a couple forge worlds

Just one probably

[spring cairn]

the token forge world

a keystone of any proper imperial system

[crystal forum]

let's just say that fortress worlds are built in places that are likely to see a lot of action so seeing 2 of them means your system is constantly being attacked by something huge

[dusk patrol]

Also the main thing is like

If they’re voidsmen

[tough haven]

I’d say one forge, one agri, a hive world or two, and maybe a knight world if you want

[dusk patrol]

Them being from a fortress worlds wouldn’t matter

[late osprey]

so one helpful tool might be to only write for one "big world" (hive, fortress, forge), since each one of those would have its own military units and have a lot of room for writing

while minor worlds like agri world or whatever can just be thrown in without any extra writing

[storm jungle]

Lambda i need to tell you about my Space Marine Chapter, they are called the Void Wolves and their geneseed curse can turn them into werewolves, is this good lore?

[dusk patrol]

Making it like a, naval shipyard or Battlefleet zone or something

[gray umbra]

Void wolves

[spring cairn]

i want these mfs dead

[gray umbra]

Space wolves?

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

Nah its original

[crystal forum]

the system being a huge target for whatever enemy of your choice would give the inquisition a reason to be there by the way DM

[spring cairn]

i want the space wolves to get deleted

[storm jungle]

they also live on a fortress monastery that can destroy any fleet called The Claw

[late osprey]

the frontier of a segmentum tempestus iirc is expecting a huge assault by tyranids if they're not there already

which would easily justify that

[spring cairn]

please any threat to the imperium, just wipe them out already

i beg

it's a mercy kill

[gray umbra]

Im thinking of a homebrew chapter called the vitae angels

[storm jungle]

Okay i was memeing but im legit gonna kill you now

[gray umbra]

They have genetic trauma and like to drink blood

[storm jungle]

Idk jackit

[spring cairn]

euthanize the space wolves they're suffering

[crystal forum]

if your chapter has the word angel in it im commandeering your balls

[storm jungle]

sounds kinda snowflake to me

[dusk patrol]

Angels Fissile

[late osprey]

you do NOT want to know what my homebrew chapter at 13 was

[storm jungle]

Magnus did that already

[spring cairn]

My chapter is named, the Blood Angles

[storm jungle]

and then they got primaris so it didnt matter

bravo GW

[gray umbra]

They are from a world called uber eats delivery

[spring cairn]

they like geometry

their primarch is

Pythagoras

the wise

[dusk patrol]

My chapter is called the Lizards

[late osprey]

Death Angels, from a desert death world, who were in all black with red pauldrons and had skull iconography all over them and fielded Legion of the Damned

that was the coolest shit to me

[dusk patrol]

They love people and dogs and puppies

[gray umbra]

[dusk patrol]

And also burning people alive

[crystal forum]

you have to mix it up a bit. his name is platogoras

[spring cairn]

no wait i have a better one

[crystal forum]

nobody will understand an ancient greek reference in my chapter

[spring cairn]

Pythagorus, now we're speaking High Gothic

[storm jungle]

damn what have I done

[late osprey]

when i got into an argument with another kid when he said "erm actually all space marines are called 'death angels'" i changed them to Skull Angels but i never liked that

[storm jungle]

the best part of like

making a Chapter is going:

"i think my name is kinda edgy"

you look up actual Chapter names

Literally almost worse

"nvm mine are good i think"

[crystal forum]

my imperial fist is shaking

[dusk patrol]

https://warhammer40kfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Angels

[vagrant fox]

I can't think of a name for mine 😔

[dusk patrol]

“Amateur Terraforming”

[late osprey]

they fucking stole my homebrew

im so mad

[tough haven]

Landscaping

[dusk patrol]

“Oh I dabble in amateur terraforming”

[spring cairn]

The Blood Angles go from warzone to warzone aboard their flagship, Rectanglia

[dusk patrol]

“Why yes I quell some rebels.”

[vagrant fox]

I like amateur terraforming, nuke the icecaps and throw some meteors at the planet

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

ironically if this is what they meant it actually works

[late osprey]

also the fanon community?

[crystal forum]

im somewhat of a terraformer myself

[late osprey]

major assholes last i checked

[storm jungle]

Nah they are awful yeah

about as worse as the 40k wiki

Algrim Cuntfang my unbeloved

[spring cairn]

Algrim what

[late osprey]

good thing DM asked for help here, if he asked there they would've threatened to break into his house and kill him or something

[spring cairn]

Golgfag Maneater

perhaps

[storm jungle]

Ex-US army dipshit (who of course is a space wolf stan) that makes shit up on wiki pages, misleads people, is a gaslighting asshole and of course is the official admin of the entire site lol

[crystal forum]

average day on 40k reddit

[dusk patrol]

No they’d tell him he’s thinking too small

[storm jungle]

He also has like the mary sue of mary sue space wolf OCs

name a more iconic duo

[dusk patrol]

His guys should have a psyker paired with a human in termie armor

[spring cairn]

Oh I thought there was a real homebrewed character named Cuntfang mb

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Nah its just "whitefang"

[late osprey]

i once went to them with my chaos hive world homebrew and they're like "You fucking moron, you didn't even account for the food logistics"

[spring cairn]

it wouldn't have surprised me if it was true

[storm jungle]

I love how they say this like as if the official lore even bothers with it

i remember someone asking this to one of the authors

and he was like

"who gives a shit"

[late osprey]

yeah its insane to me im like "this is 40k"

[storm jungle]

I THINK its cool when its explained, but like it very much is not necessary lol

[crystal forum]

worldbuilder redditors are so autistic it hurts

[late osprey]

the guns are what matters not the fucking food trucks

[crystal forum]

like no i dont need to think about the government repercussions of my guys being named the imperial fuckers

[spring cairn]

what matters is how it will affect miniature sales

[gray umbra]

This screams leaking gov docs to win warthunder argument autism

[vagrant fox]

it's right about the tanks part 💪

[green loom]

New Crusade Trench stuffs

Wao

[vagrant fox]

not the english

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t seem practical

[late osprey]

actually awesome, i was waiting for this

[crystal forum]

damn that thing is ugly

[tough haven]

You could ignore them and handwaive worldbuilding

[late osprey]

ive held off on playing until the britannia rules come out, too

[vagrant fox]

Trench Crusade just got grimmer 😔

[tough haven]

Or make the worldbuilding really stupid to make them mad

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bf1-dreadnought-gif-10076369881241486588

[tough haven]

“Yeah they uhh use warp magic to summon food and drink”

[dusk patrol]

The important thing is you world build cause you want to and like it

[crystal forum]

that ain't a dreadnought it's a dreadone

[dusk patrol]

Cause nobody gives a fuck about your world building

[spring cairn]

they eat their newborns, infinite food glitch

[late osprey]

" Above it, the finest of England’s Air Knights fly their fighter planes and naval bombers when the fortress goes to war - which is often" i love this

[dusk patrol]

That or DM a game and force some people to care a little

[late osprey]

back when i did nationstates i also had knighthood assigned to fighter pilots

its such a sick idea

[crystal forum]

why

[tough haven]

I like having a vague explanation for things that I can pivot to something more specific as the players/situation demands

[late osprey]

why do i think something is cool?

[dusk patrol]

Why don’t countries just subjugate their populace and force them to feed the war machine, are they stupid?

[storm jungle]

It definitely can sometimes help enough to make people reading it go "Yeah thats neat"

[crystal forum]

yes elaborate

[tough haven]

I also don’t make wholly new content though, I just find ways for existing content to mix in fun ways

[late osprey]

tf?

idk i just think its cool

[dusk patrol]

Source?

[crystal forum]

what makes it cool to you

[dusk patrol]

Justify your subjective taste

Now

[late osprey]

because my specific neurons coursed in such a way that it aligns with my sensibilities

[dusk patrol]

Or the smarf gets it

[crystal forum]

so there's no specific aspect that you find cool or anything

[gray umbra]

Anyone ever play nationstates

[late osprey]

the logistics of a fighter jet sorta rhyme with the logistics of a medieval knight

[tough haven]

I am going to make my ragtag multi species band of goofballs to play around with through lore contrivances. Everyone will hate them, in and out of universe, but it will work gods damn it!

[late osprey]

as well as the idea of a knightly charge kinda resembling an airstrike in its tactical impact/value

and the chivalry in the old dogfights

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah?

Well you don’t even know

My name

As the memories fade

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-venom-snake-gif-26285931

[crystal forum]

yes this is what i wanted

[dusk patrol]

Dogfighting is cool cause it’s more personal

[late osprey]

its like an avenue for individual heroics to exist in a battlefield where they're otherwise less prominent thanks to the gun

[dusk patrol]

It feels like more of a contest

Firing missiles isn’t as cool

[late osprey]

you've got dogfighting as the personal dueling, you've got bombing as the charging into the ranks of commoner scum

its all there

[dusk patrol]

That’s why in Top Gun they bent over backwards to have a reason for them to dogfight at the end

[crystal forum]

what about flak

when the commoner can fight back

[late osprey]

when the commoner scum are disciplined and have spears

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/porco-rosso-plane-flying-studio-ghibli-ghibli-gif-25407307

[vagrant fox]

missiles ruined the air duel, the noble art of dogfighting is dead

[dusk patrol]

Sad to see

[late osprey]

id say even today theres that personal avenue of two jets playing missile-tag with each other which can be romanticized alike to a joust

operative word being CAN be, of course

[dusk patrol]

There’s a reason basically all pilot fights media has them do WWII stuff

Maybe with some extra elements

[crystal forum]

i remember a tom clancy book that has a mudjahedeen who called himself archer because he was so adept at using stinger missiles

like a bow and arrow

[dusk patrol]

Point and click is hard

[crystal forum]

you're stupid

[dusk patrol]

Yes I’m aware it’s a bit more complex

But it’s not that complex

[queen laurel]

Ah yes a giant warship

a classic way to show you are better than everyone else

[dusk patrol]

Real and true

[vagrant fox]

I do love battleships

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/battleship-war-ship-warship-ship-drift-uss-missouri-gif-12454323115898662740

Now watch me drift this battleship

[vagrant fox]

One of greatest inventions humanity ever had

[dusk patrol]

Should have stopped at World War II

We peaked aesthetically

[vagrant fox]

not wrong

[queen laurel]

this thing is basically both a tank and a warship

[vagrant fox]

automatic weapons peaked at the chauchat and the bofors

[queen laurel]

They are not kidding this thing is straight up just a fortress that can swim and move

[dusk patrol]

You don’t like nukes cause their capability to wipeout mankind.

I don’t like them cause they robbed us of decades of massive land wars between super powers.

We are not the same.

[dapper gyro]

I agree about the Bofors, but Chauchat, nah.

[crystal forum]

somebody copied 1984

[vagrant fox]

pedestrian

[vagrant fox]

It's like that silly movie where cities move around

[spring cairn]

Howl's moving castle

yeah

[crystal forum]

mortal engines

[vagrant fox]

yea sure mr howls abode

[spring cairn]

owl's moving castle

bowl's

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/clinching-fist-glowing-eyes-monster-mortal-engines-gif-12700903

Shrike was such a great character concept

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/embarcacion-inglesa-gif-21966437

That is pretty sick though

The land and sea part is

Hilarious

[young pecan]

bofors deez

[hallow basin]

We need more seafaring navy representation in the 40k

[gray umbra]

Outlaw all ranged weapons, all conflicts should be resolved with melee

Just like the british

[vagrant fox]

man I want a koncerz

[crystal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/sdffsdf-buzz-lightyear-all-star-tower-defense-gif-23057849

[hallow basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sister-mei-cat-rabbit-hop-rabbit-like-cat-gif-8844213845489116816

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-4243488579067419276

what we really need is a 40k musical

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talk-gif-19507414

[rose thorn]

poor people of Aqshy reveal

i cut out some of this toahide spoilers

[storm jungle]

Lmaoooo

the sigmarite homeless reveal is crazy 💀

[rose thorn]

ehauhbfafu

im suprised htey followed the obsucre ass lore about dyes

with the orange yellow an dred patches

[celest dome]

I'd have expect to see more burn scars

[spare osprey]

Bitch lookin like she from the dark crystal

[dapper gyro]

They look too well dressed to be poor people.

[rose thorn]

hammerhal is closer to the center of aqshy, so its alot cooler than like, uhhhhhhhhh

tempest eye

i didnt realize how close hallowheart is to the center

consdeirng all the fire based accidental terrorism

[dusk patrol]

How the old guy still a fatty when he’s poor smh

[rose thorn]

being fat is cheaper then being fit

[dusk patrol]

Yeah maybe in this millennia

[storm jungle]

well dressed

meanwhile bro

💀

literal potato bag

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they have McDonald’s in AoS

[dapper gyro]

Repairing clothes was common in the past.

[dapper gyro]

He wants to show off this tatt, ok.

[rose thorn]

i love the complete opposite side of the spectrum they are from cinderfall

[dusk patrol]

He’s showing off his knees to attract a mate

[vagrant fox]

a reference to knee inflation fetish, I like it

[dusk patrol]

[rose thorn]

gotta love cinderfall

[dusk patrol]

You knee inflation folk give us Knee fetish people a bad name.

[vagrant fox]

you knee fetishists are one step removed from foot fetishists and i'd burn you all

[dusk patrol]

False

[vagrant fox]

I don't think those nails are hygienic to keep in

[dusk patrol]

We’re dangerously close to elbow fetishists

Maybe ankle at worst

[vagrant fox]

arms are just the upper legs

[vagrant fox]

lorepill me on this city, I like the pizzazze of the poor people

[dusk patrol]

Thats the thigh

So memes aside

It is funny how thighs are seen as acceptable to fetishize

[dapper gyro]

Anything can be

[dusk patrol]

I know that but thighs are a normal thing

Feet or knees or whatever are seen as weird

[spare osprey]

Ppl be after knees?

[vagrant fox]

it's because they are

[dusk patrol]

There is not a single part of the body and beyond that someone isn’t into

[spare osprey]

Fair nuff

[late osprey]

there is at least one cursed deviantart picture about knees

[gray umbra]

Why knees

[opaque coyote]

Why does this look like a Slaaneshi gc

[vagrant fox]

typical lore chat wednesday

[raven stone]

And the saddest thing is, warhammmer community is being useless by talking about videos…

No releases for chat to get excited about

[crystal forum]

knee fetish? is this the 1800's now

[sacred bluff]

I saw some ankles the other day

[crystal forum]

when the dame drops her high boots and shows a centimeter of skin

[sacred bluff]

[raven stone]

I mean retro is all the rage now…

[dapper gyro]

Vintage, classic.

[raven stone]

Also. Basic reality rule.
If something exists, someone has a fetish for it.

[vagrant fox]

post that story about the guy getting excited by floor tiles

[gray umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/la-creatura-dog-angry-mad-angy-gif-23397389

[rocky gale]

Now if only we had halberds for our Steelhelms

[rose thorn]

I KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

neeeeeeeeeed

i mean idk waht they would do tbh

[rocky gale]

Look cool

[rose thorn]

fair

iw onder waht ic an do to make my city of sigm ar look more, sucba ish

[arctic talon]

Be the same weapon

Idfk

Steel helms don’t have any alt weapons do they huh

[rocky gale]

Don't think anyone does anymore

All alternate weapon profiles got merged

Or were split into separate units like the Daughters of Khaine models

[rose thorn]

I think the battle priests have a different weapon?

Dear god gw give us a battle priest hero

The in unit ones suck

[rocky gale]

It gets a different looking weapon, but it's the same stats

There's only "Freeguild weapon"

[rose thorn]

Yeah I just checked

Cities is in such a weird spot

Their best units are in a completely different game system

[rocky gale]

Wildercorp?

[rose thorn]

Dwarves

[rocky gale]

Oh

[rose thorn]

That’s kruleboyz who’s best unit is in warcry

[raven stone]

The streamlining happened to 40k as well, probably because everyone was scrounging for power Axes/Maces when they had different profiles (and GW also realised the previously treated everything with the same profile)

GW just eventually gave up in general and said “yea ok no more too much in depth differentiation unless absolutely necessary”

[celest dome]

Fantasy mostly worked the same way.
Hand weapon
Spears
Halberd

[crystal forum]

oh great they're removing another tab on mobile

can't even see my mentions

[celest dome]

Then there were special cases but those were usually on units that only had that type of weapon (Empire Great Swords for example)

[hallow plover]

Is that Clad?

[green loom]

Soon I think

I figure it's cheap release bait for them so

Pretty obvious

[young bolt]

Fatshark office tour

[rocky gale]

Cities second wave 🙏

[sly ivy]

omg

[median star]

so the tyranids have some sort of psychic presence right whats the probability or possibility that they could at some point experience the hivemind inadvertently turning it self into a chaos god similar to slaneeshs birth or the near birth of the dark king

[storm jungle]

Thats not really how the hivemind works.

Its spread across the entire tyranid race, hence why its a hivemind, its not some "entity" present in another dimension

[celest dome]

Might also not be how the warp work

Slaanesh came from a very active race too

[crystal forum]

those are real knots btw

[spare osprey]

Would it be possible for a tau commander to have disdain for the auxiliary forces the empire uses?

Or is that not tolerated at all

[young bolt]

Were does this fall on the time line?

[storm jungle]

Entirely allowed yeah

its not exactly out of the question

[spare osprey]

Ok awesome

I’m tryna

Branch into some more xenos

I’m thinkin rahm kota type dude could be cool

https://tenor.com/view/rahm-kota-rahm-kota-force-unleashed-blorgus-gif-25500954

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

transcaldor

[opaque coyote]

Guilliman right after he died and woke up

(he turned into a deer)

[median star]

is centurion armor supposed to be a middle ground between terminator and dreadnaught

[opaque coyote]

Terminator Armor is NOT integrated into the black carapace while Dreadnought requires you to look like a human worm

[rocky gale]

I love when someone answers a question without answering the question

[opaque coyote]

They're basically walking tanks so

yeah

I guess inbetween

Problem is that they're significantly hard to control

And I don't think they're rare unlike the Terminator Armor?

Could be wrong on that though

[rocky gale]

Their main problem is they're ugly, centurions really need either an update or removed

[opaque coyote]

Yeah they don't really have a "unique niche" either

[opaque coyote]

Devastators look fine I think

[rocky gale]

Ehhhh

[opaque coyote]

Assault definitely look goofy as shit though

I genuinely did not know those things on the end were actually drills

[rocky gale]

Far as I remember they only look fine in a vacuum, put them next to other models and they become quite noticeable

[opaque coyote]

True. But hey I don't spend my life savings to buy models

so