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[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-transformers-one-darkwing-miners-orion-pax-gif-4220211221272465850

I just posted it

[crystal forum]

if it just says young

where

[arctic talon]

It just says young man

[storm jungle]

sus

[arctic talon]

fucks sake I’ll post it again

[storm jungle]

young man

androgynous

what did GW mean by this

[arctic talon]

Griffith

[crystal forum]

do i have to spell it out

[storm jungle]

WHAT

[green loom]

I mentioned like yesterday

As is commonly the case, the Nazi could not resist the femboy

[arctic talon]

By talking about the process

Assassins should traumatize more people

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Awful

[storm jungle]

Hellsing Moment???

💀

[green loom]

Looks at Twitter

[crystal forum]

does it work yet

[storm jungle]

I hope not

[green loom]

Dunno I don't use it

[crystal forum]

wait i dont care

[storm jungle]

oh yeah speaking of

anyone here played Cult of the Lamb?

[crystal forum]

im a furry of course i did

[storm jungle]

https://bsky.app/profile/cultofthelamb.bsky.social/post/3lk2rykaaxc2e

Cult of the Lamb (@cultofthelamb.bsky.social)

oH nO, DoN't cYbEr aTtAcK ThAt sTiNkY WeBsItE

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Bluesky · Mar 11, 2025, 12:15 AM

fucking savage

lmfao

[plush mason]

i hope Elon unplugs the one server keeping whats left of Twitter running and no one plugs it back in

[storm jungle]

also i had no idea twitter was being cybercunted until i saw that post

[plush mason]

its most likely not

[crystal forum]

i wonder who had the resources for a DDOS of that level and that kind of dedication

[plush mason]

Elon just says it is so he can blame Ukraine

[storm jungle]

fucking piece of shit lol

[crystal forum]

it wasn't hacked it was just DDOS'd

[storm jungle]

when you got a site like "X" and its ran by Muskrat anything is possible

[celest dome]

As if Musk understood anything and could guess it's from Ukraine anyway

[green loom]

I've read something about it being done by the largest botnet seen yet

[crystal forum]

bots shutting down bot website

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly a government of big coordinated group

[green loom]

I mean it's probably, literally just all the bots that infest Twitter

[arctic talon]

As for which one idk

[plush mason]

he claims the "hack" came from an Ukrainian IP lmao

[crystal forum]

there is no obvious point for this

[arctic talon]

Musk is mentally deficient

[crystal forum]

nobody gains anything directly from this kind of attack

[arctic talon]

Well they do

It’s called being funny

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

I gain entertainment value from Musk sucking it

[arctic talon]

Which is why I think it’s just a bunch of people

[storm jungle]

barely anyone properly uses twitter anyway

[arctic talon]

Lol

The funniest option is it’s the CIA

[green loom]

lel

[arctic talon]

Who’s mad DOGE tried to sell one of their black sites

[crystal forum]

only time i would root for the CIA

[storm jungle]

nah the CIA would just kill him

probably

LOL

[arctic talon]

Nah

This is the warning

[storm jungle]

Okay but hear me out

[arctic talon]

For trying to sell the black site

[crystal forum]

shitty warning if it is that

[storm jungle]

this would be Elon's second warning:

.

[crystal forum]

they have the resources to leave a horse head in his bed

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

It’s a dumb joke

[storm jungle]

CIA have done way "easier" worse stuff

[arctic talon]

I don’t think it’s the CIA

I really do just think it’s a bunch of people who dislike him

[plush mason]

i doubt it was even a DDOS

[arctic talon]

It is

[vagrant fox]

I heard it was some anonymous group

[crystal forum]

anonymous hasn't done anything in a decade

[arctic talon]

Imo it’s likely it’s ex Twitter employees lol

Either that or Twitter is even more incompetent/resource starved under musk

Then I thought

Which yeah it might be

[crystal forum]

he looks so stupid

[dapper gyro]

Im tired of USA politic. The fuckface didnt even have to run through election to run a country. What a fucking joke.

[queen laurel]

I am impressed as time went on he decided to ruin his reputation then just stay as like the

Rich smart billionaire guy that shoots rockets onto the sky

[outer wave]

I feel that, and I wish I could ignore it but since I live in Canada, its kinda hard to

[queen laurel]

Dude i don't want to mention this but what the hell is trump speed running

[crystal forum]

elon and his orange servant have done more for canadian politics than anybody in history

[outer wave]

Death

[plush mason]

the man is an idiot and always chasing the next big thing to gratify himself with

[dapper gyro]

Guess why I'm tied of that? 🇨🇦

[outer wave]

Feel you bro

[outer wave]

Its insane how prominent PP was before Trump and now he's just kinda not in the news (at least on Reddit anyway)

[crystal forum]

it's funny how quickly you stop giving a shit about the tariff threats because you have actual human things to do in your life

[queen laurel]

What does he accomplish by doing that anyway

[crystal forum]

destabilize the economy

[queen laurel]

He is like purposely crippling like the economy of the us i do not understand

[outer wave]

IMO he's trying to destablize the economy of Canada, which would then lead to a "peaceful" annexation or some such

[crystal forum]

what i've seen said a lot is the 1% benefit greatly from a destabilized economy but i have no clue

[plush mason]

no he is just an idiot that is rushing to do as much as he can because he knows this is his last time in office

[arctic talon]

Higher then 1% prolly

Lol

[green loom]

Bribes and legalized corruption

[outer wave]

Funnily enough, they're trying to prop him up for 2028 already

[arctic talon]

Getting those decimals

[dapper gyro]

Can we talk about dumb shit in WH40k instead of of dumb shit in real life?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[green loom]

It's basically all it is

[plush mason]

they cant thankfully

[arctic talon]

Let’s talk about laslocks

[dapper gyro]

It is single shot?

[plush mason]

14th amendment and all

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Definitely would shoot myself in the head 10 out of 10

[arctic talon]

Or some of them are

[outer wave]

I mean, we say that until Trump and the GOP say no to the amendment and no one pushes on it

[arctic talon]

Laslocks are always semi auto

[green loom]

Stuff directly puts money into the pocket of like, 4 groups, and nothing else matters
Anyway moving on

[dapper gyro]

So... does it use battery pack or something?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s just a shittier one

[dapper gyro]

Single shot and semi auto are 2 different though.

Laslock is such a weird thing

[queen laurel]

This is probably the semi auto variant

[outer wave]

Cons are still too high IMO

[crystal forum]

that's just one polling site

[outer wave]

But yeah lets get off politics

[arctic talon]

Yeah mechanicum laslocks are

[outer wave]

Jay, we can keep talking in DMs if you want though

[arctic talon]

Fed from a massive fucking pack

That’s back mounted

[dapper gyro]

Also, I love that they call the small axe in Darktide Tactical Axe and not Tomahawk.

[arctic talon]

Conventional laslocks are just

Their own thing

[outer wave]

Imagine we got tomahawks as a grenade option

[dapper gyro]

Because tomahawk in real life is quite of meh.

[celest dome]

Ogryn getting sometime like Knive but it's heavy axes

[dapper gyro]

Though, hatchet would fit well, too.

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah the guardsman that looks like the queen's guard is like the most prominent regiment that still uses them right

[crystal forum]

stick with metal end

[queen laurel]

The Vostroyan firstborn

[outer wave]

That'd be wicked

[dapper gyro]

Grenadier Guard in real life. Funny people.

[arctic talon]

Vostroyan are weird

They use both

Their weapons are heirlooms

Passed down generation to generation

If possible

[crystal forum]

they also look stupid

[dapper gyro]

It doesn't mean their weapons are any better though.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Well some of them are better

But a lot of them are just normal lasguns

[dapper gyro]

Because most guns in the imperium get passed through more hands than people you know.

[crystal forum]

official tabletop regiments are boring like that

[outer wave]

Is there a Lasblunderbuss?

[arctic talon]

Well

Not really

Vostroyans had a gun table you had to roll on pregame

In 2e

Lol

In 3e and onwards vostroyans got simplified to just having better guns in general

[celest dome]

There aren't really any Las shotgun other than the Stutterlas and illegal Shotlas. So I would say not really

[crystal forum]

ancient history

[arctic talon]

But vostroyans are fun

[dapper gyro]

Like the people bought a normal knife from a convenient store from the 1800s, then get passed down. It is heirloom, but it is ultimately still a normal knife.

[arctic talon]

Good aesthetic

[outer wave]

Damn that'd be kinda fun if they had those in a more official form

[queen laurel]

To be honest i can't see it happening by miniaturizing alas cannon and then turning it into a shot las

[arctic talon]

Shotlas’s are funny

[crystal forum]

wrong ogryn emote

[celest dome]

Can or can't

[outer wave]

Stutterlas sounds a bit like a BT pulse laser for some reason and I dunno why

[queen laurel]

Can remember i am a massive idiot

I can probably beat a goff in a headbutt

[celest dome]

Stutterlas basically overcharge than release volleys of las fires

[outer wave]

I see I see

[celest dome]

Basically force semi auto or what ever

[crystal forum]

i have never heard of a stutterlas

[outer wave]

Damn not like a battletech pulse laser.....

😔

[dapper gyro]

SM2 melta gun then... lol.

Melta guns were never like that until SM2.

[queen laurel]

They are more like basically a laser yeah

[arctic talon]

That’s just a multi Las

[dapper gyro]

Even in the 10e trailer, melta was a continuous beam.

[queen laurel]

Space marine probably's the main culprit of turning them into a super shotgun

The first space marine

[arctic talon]

Yes

And also

[queen laurel]

The second space marine

[arctic talon]

Meltas only work like that with space marine really

Well

[queen laurel]

And of course the boltgun gun games

[arctic talon]

Sometimes books make it a single blast

But it depends

[crystal forum]

it's an anti tank close range weapon

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

rpg stuff iirc

[arctic talon]

It also ignites oxygen

[outer wave]

Wait really?

[arctic talon]

[arctic talon]

Multi las’s fire a bunch of lasgun shots incredibly fast

The pulse laser does that as well no?

[outer wave]

Not quite

[queen laurel]

Is las the only type of laser weaponry in the imperium

[arctic talon]

What am I confusing the pulse laser with

[arctic talon]

No

[celest dome]

How is a Pulse Laser

[arctic talon]

Lance weaponry

And also admech stuff

[celest dome]

Melta

[queen laurel]

Ohh

[outer wave]

The pulse laser turns itself on and off, where the initial release of the light turning on is stronger than holding the laser onto a target

[arctic talon]

Like disintegrators

[dapper gyro]

Thermal lance!

[arctic talon]

Ah

[celest dome]

Irrad cleanser are laser ish

[dapper gyro]

Man, I remember that "Therma lance" upgrade for StarCraft Colossus.

[crystal forum]

lasers only include light in the visible, ultraviolet and infrared range

[outer wave]

Its like how if you're in a blackout and you have the light switches turned on, then the lights come back on the electricity flowing through is strong enough to break the lights

[celest dome]

Irrad Cleanser is visible iirc

[crystal forum]

a maser for example is a micro wave emitter

[arctic talon]

It is yeah

[arctic talon]

That makes sense

[celest dome]

What kind of electrical circuits does your country allow

[dapper gyro]

At that point, it is in between plasma and light.

[outer wave]

The radical kind 😎

[crystal forum]

also fun science history fact, "laser" is an acronym taken from the maser but they replaced the word microwave with light. it's the original aser

[dapper gyro]

Also, I found an actual mass production military knife that looks straight out of 40K.

[queen laurel]

Show

[outer wave]

I wonder how many acronyms we'll go through with ASER before we get tired of it

[arctic talon]

10 million

[outer wave]

Good

I wanna fire a CRAYSER

[crystal forum]

presumably a gamma wave aser would be a gaser

[celest dome]

Laser should be Loser iirc

Light occilation something something

[queen laurel]

Yeah that looks like a combat knife from dark tide

[celest dome]

||that's just a basic military knife||

[dapper gyro]

Comically large guard, and it is 20cm long blade, which is longer than any current military issue knife.

The company making it actually has EU military contract.

[celest dome]

Depend if you consider bayonets (which it make me think of, with the 2 holes) tbh

[crystal forum]

still doesn't beat the good old pig stickers

[dapper gyro]

The one I show is not a bayonet though, the holds are too small for that.

[queen laurel]

That explains kiryu's weapon

[crystal forum]

masers are wacky but they're the kind of quickly obsolete tech that you will never learn in non specialized school

[dapper gyro]

It is, it is just bigger.

[crystal forum]

i will now go ask my laser specialist friend if he can explain a maser

[arctic talon]

Lol

[celest dome]

Isn't Maser just Microwave beams which are amplified to convert to binary, or am I thinking of something else

[crystal forum]

he cannot explain a maser

[crystal forum]

it does what the name implies, microwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation

it uses the change of energy states of electrons to multiply a prior amount of electromagnetic waves

as far as i can understand it

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus and mechanicum has a weird obsession with solid projectile weapons

Which is funny

Because why the fuck do they have that obsession

[crystal forum]

they love physics

and calculating ballistics curves is fun

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

[crystal forum]

imagine shooting a gun and knowing down to the millimeter where the bullet will land

[queen laurel]

They do

[crystal forum]

that sounds fun as hell to me

[queen laurel]

I guess they are humie mekboyz

Obsession with like solid projectile weapons is like a very ork thing

Why mess about with a fancy gubbins when you can get yourself a solid shoota

[crystal forum]

guns are also more fun objectively speaking

[dapper gyro]

40K needs more bows.

[crystal forum]

lame take

[dapper gyro]

Imagine killing SM with a ballista.

[rocky gale]

Ballista isn't a bow

[dapper gyro]

Enough speed and mass will kill anything.

[raven stone]

Well you just need the right material for the actual ballista arrow

[dapper gyro]

Say what now?

[rocky gale]

A Ballista was for throwing rocks

[raven stone]

Also IIRC in Gaunts Ghost there is an unhelmeted CSM who dies with his head as an arrow pincushion...

[queen laurel]

So it was a fancy bigger slingshot

[crystal forum]

that's the story where they infiltrate a chaos planet yes, my first 40k book

gaunt also cleaves a CSM in half with his power sword and they blow another one up with a melta charge

[dapper gyro]

It was to throw anything, including bolts, which are arrows (arrow is just a more sophisticated kind of bolt).

[crystal forum]

and not a single ghost dies during the whole two book mission

[rocky gale]

The Scorpio was the crossbow like one which would shoot arrows

[crystal forum]

no plot armour to be found here

[queen laurel]

Why the f*** do media presentation ruin everything

Scorpio is like a way sicker name than ballista

[crystal forum]

brostin or whatever he's called also runs into burning prometheum and leaves unhurt because he covered himself in space vaseline

definitely one of the wilder books to introduce yourself to the setting

[gray umbra]

Space lube

[dapper gyro]

Scorpio is a sub type.

[storm jungle]

speaking of lube

[outer wave]

Lube-tuah

[storm jungle]

this book is really cool

[outer wave]

Its pretty badass

[crystal forum]

if only you owned physical copies

[storm jungle]

Yeah it isnt mine

[outer wave]

I wish I had a copy of the Slaaneshicronicum

[storm jungle]

i prefer PDFs since im not a chump

[queen laurel]

I'm going to bash your head in

[outer wave]

So a typical Monday, eh?

[rocky gale]

Some historians actually debate the usage of bolts in Ballista

[crystal forum]

im not a chumb im just betting on the vraks book value to go up (it wont)

[gray umbra]

Thats the ec codex?

[queen laurel]

You honestly that's what confuses me

What's the point

Unless you're hunting like a giant creature why are you using a giant crossbow

[gray umbra]

To flex

[crystal forum]

because they were too stupid to use guns

[dapper gyro]

Ballista is a general term for the system. The Scorpio was used in ballista carrying units.

[storm jungle]

Yep, lots of gooning

[dapper gyro]

It is like the real life Automatic Rifle, which has LMG, AR, even AGL or whatever they want to throw at it.

[queen laurel]

Me seeing an unattended planet

[gray umbra]

I am goonin

[dapper gyro]

The word* rifle originally doesn't mean portable firearms.

[crystal forum]

automatic rifle isn't a term that's been used since the battle rifle replaced it

it used to be an actual definition

since automatic guns back then were either huge machines or basically just rifles that can also shoot automatic

[rocky gale]

Not really, a scorpio in principle is a smaller version of a ballista but the general term would be Torsion Engine, if we're using your gun analogy a pistol and an assault rifle are both guns, but a pistol isn't an assault rifle.

[crystal forum]

that era of engineering predates standardized manufacturing by a long shot so it's not great to compare to modern terms

[rocky gale]

Yea, I'm not a fan of using modern standards to discuss the topic, but it's what they were using so I just turned it around.

Because using modern standards leads to making assumptions based off our understanding of modern items, that don't always relate to historical basis

[winter vessel]

still sends me to the freaking roof when I see people refer to the "AR"-15 as "Assault Rifle" for its acronym

typically from anti gun activists

[crystal forum]

this shit predates the screw i bet

[crystal forum]

tbf the official term is dumb too
armalite armalite 15

[winter vessel]

I can understand the misconception. FN (Fabrique Nationale) and HK (Heckler & Koch) are much simpler to distinguish for me

[crystal forum]

the other AR designs are not nearly as famous as the AR-15 too

only other one being the AR-10 which is also an assault rifle

nvm battle rifle

keep forgetting that one

[winter vessel]

the barrel on that always looked weird to me. the early models that is

[crystal forum]

i'm more of a fan of early adoption M-16 aesthetics

that triangular handguard is peak

[winter vessel]

true. I was particular towards the handguard with the M203 attachment

[crystal forum]

oh hell yeah

[dapper gyro]

This is a sound argument to me and I take it.

[winter vessel]

Like, its very distinguishable. I haven't seen any other weapon platform that shared its design, least afaik

[crystal forum]

they really had to make the new underbarrel grenade launcher lame as hell

also modular

[dapper gyro]

To me, there is nothing wrong with using modern terms to classify things because many of them start from the previous understanding.

[crystal forum]

pre rail system M-16 add-ons looked so cool

[dapper gyro]

That said, I sometimes don't agree with some modern classification of stuff either.

[crystal forum]

like the scope you screw onto the carry handle

[dapper gyro]

Like how the battle rifle is a thing in the US English, but it is AR in many other languages.

[winter vessel]

interesting how back then they had to make rudimentary adjustments

but yeah, i just don't like the M320 GL module

[dapper gyro]

Or submachine gun, mitraillette and machine pistol.

[crystal forum]

battle rifles come from a complicated post WW2 formation of NATO and the hard decision of choosing a standard round

[dapper gyro]

Fun fact when the AR15 was introduced to the US army, there is a 5.56 AR15 submachine gun. This is way before the 9mm AR15 version.

[crystal forum]

the term at least

[crystal forum]

what does this mean

[dapper gyro]

Also, I never put AR and AR15 as the same acronym, AR15 is a pattern. I'm tired of people saying AR15 is civilian and M16 is the military. M16 is the designation of an AR15 pattern, you dipshit.

[crystal forum]

man is arguing with ghosts

[winter vessel]

one thing i didn't realize until 2018 is that the FN-SCAR had an assault rifle and Battle rifle variant, i just thought it was H.

[crystal forum]

understandable. it's not like it a particularly popular gun outside of gaming

it only gained fame when the cool spec ops people had them

M4 still wins in the end

[winter vessel]

I'm still on the fence with the XM7 intended to replace the M4 in the US Army for the NGSW program

[crystal forum]

as far as i can tell, the soldiers who actually use the thing love the new machinegun but the XM7 is being bitched about a lot because it's heavier than the M4. i'm not a soldier so i can't attest about the importance of that issue but engineering wise it's a VERY cool gun

i've seen it thrown around that the only reason the army wants the XM7 is because it shares the same round

i always thought it was about time that the army adopted a longer barrelled gun again since statistically most engagements for normal grunts is pretty long range. it's only special forces that benefit from carbine sizes because they fight often in close quarters

[winter vessel]

heard it also reduces magazine capacity to 20 rounds now. And its true, for the past 20 years or so, engagements have been long distance gunfighting. But in the likely scenario where firefights are held in Dense urban environments, to me it might be more "cumbersome"

[arctic talon]

The XM7 being heavier will lead to complaints from soldiers tbh

Because heavier kit is never fun

Also iirc the XM7 is a 30 round magazine

Wait nvm it’s 20

With a 25 round box

[crystal forum]

and yet i hear mostly good things from people who used guns like the FAL and the G3. soldiers aren't always the best people for feedback

[arctic talon]

I’m sure the weapon is good

But having more weight to carry will always be complained about lol

[crystal forum]

i genuinely think that's a much bigger systemic issue with the army

they have to march with so much gear

[winter vessel]

I still remember reading about the Objective Individual Combat Weapon Program. which is how i came to learn about this thing

[arctic talon]

The 20 round mag is weird to me

Tbh

[crystal forum]

US army doctrine is to avoid those situations at all costs. there's a reason that Fallujah stands out so much

[arctic talon]

But I’m not a gun expert

So what do I know lol

[crystal forum]

it is weird, you're right. for the past decades it's been proven time and time again by numerous agencies around the world that more bullets is better than slightly more impact energy

this has been a thing studied about the 9mm vs 45acp for a loooong time

but the reasoning behind the new cartridge is to defeat body armour

[arctic talon]

Okay but like

Who the fuck has that much body armor

[crystal forum]

peer to peer adversaries

aka china, russia, etc

[arctic talon]

Yeah but we didn’t see that much body armor in Russia is the thing imo

At least with the Russia Ukraine conflict

Idk

I’m sure the gun isn’t bad

It just arguably feels excessive

Then again over preparation

[crystal forum]

army procurers arent the smartest people in the world so don't automatically assume they know more than you

they just set the requirements and get told the marketing pitch by the gun company

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t even feel like it’s in the same weapon like

Class I guess? As the M-4

[crystal forum]

it isn't

[arctic talon]

Guh

[crystal forum]

M4 is carbine length

[arctic talon]

Which is the point no?

It’s also got lower recoil

[crystal forum]

depends on your needs

[arctic talon]

So it’s easier to use

[winter vessel]

sigh doctrine and book crap. putting rules on war like its a damn sport. even as a kid i thought ROE was just vain hope made by individuals in a position of power who believed that conflict wouldn't become cruelty, but we've been doing that for centuries. its in its nature to escalate until the last man standing.

[crystal forum]

it's like in any company, systematic approaches are always what drives processes

it's always better to understand why a weapon is adopted and for what purpose

[rose thorn]

We have no clue what this rope thing is right?

[rocky gale]

Space Marine Lieutenant with combat net

[crystal forum]

america had an amazing weapon system with the sidewinder missile in vietnam but they flunked it so hard they had to rethink their entire doctrine

[rose thorn]

Lmao

My guess is terrain for warcry 3.0

[crystal forum]

after they started fighting using the full range of their missiles they pounded the vietnam airforce into the ground

[opaque coyote]

Peer to Peer mainly.

Also it's just the USA tradition

[arctic talon]

Terrain of some sorts

For what

Only James knows

[opaque coyote]

We skipped over the FAL because it didn't shoot big enough bullets

...and then when adapted the M16 which was basically the same thing

[arctic talon]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Well not really

[crystal forum]

anyways, yes that is true because of the smaller caliber but the shorter barrel also results in shorter accuracy over range

[arctic talon]

What’s the really weird gun

[opaque coyote]

But it occupied the same niche

[arctic talon]

With the front loaded mag you like slide in

It’s a rifle

Or carbine

Not a SMG or PDW

[crystal forum]

what

[winter vessel]

Bren boy?

[crystal forum]

laati what are you smoking

[arctic talon]

No

Not the bren

[opaque coyote]

What era

[arctic talon]

It’s a modern gun

Modernish

It has like a thin mag

[crystal forum]

the FAL is a beast that shoots 308.

[opaque coyote]

It didn't when they proposed it

[arctic talon]

And I remember it was up for adoption as a service weapon

At some point

[opaque coyote]

They changed it to .308 to fit the USA's want

And by then we decided to make the M14

[crystal forum]

post war shenanigans

[opaque coyote]

And then the M16 basically adopted the smaller caliber doctrine.

And now we've circled back to bigger

[winter vessel]

the brick?

[arctic talon]

YES

What’s it called

[opaque coyote]

The G-11 still looks cool in my opinion

[winter vessel]

g11

[crystal forum]

false

it looks like plastic crap

[winter vessel]

or as i like to call it "the 4th grader's drawing of a future gun"

[arctic talon]

What a weird gun

I love it

It’s so odd

[opaque coyote]

I like it's weird blocky ass look

Idk why

[winter vessel]

hard to believe that the company i'm a fanboy of because i fell in love with the HK416, was also the mastermind behind the G11

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It’s creative

[opaque coyote]

I like how the G36 looks

[rocky gale]

You should see one of the P90 prototypes

[winter vessel]

ah yes, the classic "Future rifle of the 90s" in sci fi films

[crystal forum]

.280 was such a missed opportunity

[opaque coyote]

I think it's well known because it's the last famous rifle that tried a weird non-standard shape

[crystal forum]

but the world has to lick america's balls

[opaque coyote]

And even then it's a prototype

[winter vessel]

remember the pancor jackhammer

[arctic talon]

I feel like I’ve seen that design somewhere before

[crystal forum]

still wild to me this thing entered full production and is still used

[arctic talon]

I do love all the weird future gun designs

Companies try to do

It’s so fun

[opaque coyote]

Well... At least current events are making people lose faith in America

[opaque coyote]

Even though their actual effectiveness are mixed. I do like them also.

Being creative!

[winter vessel]

we call those bull testicles or rocky mountain oysters

[opaque coyote]

(In ways to murder people)

[arctic talon]

Tbf was the G11 not considered successful

[opaque coyote]

I think only 10,000 copies were made

[crystal forum]

i hope we adopt the G36 in canada

[arctic talon]

Well

[opaque coyote]

Never officially released

[arctic talon]

It was usable

German reunification stopped it from being properly adopted

Iirc

[opaque coyote]

G36 was successful though which is it's successor

And also looks pretty cool in my opinion

[arctic talon]

It is

[winter vessel]

the airsoft version i've seen at Airsoft parks are used as rentals $15 a piece

[crystal forum]

G11 never would have been adopted with its many many production issues

making prototypes is good until you need to make thousands of them

[arctic talon]

I like the Chinese bullpup PDW

It’s so weird lol

[opaque coyote]

Generally I love the dumbass prototypes and shit gun companies make.

I think a company legit tried making a

Mini Minigun

[winter vessel]

QBZ? i call it the "Take Out"

[arctic talon]

Also totally wasn’t based on anything not Chinese

Yeah the QCW

[rocky gale]

Everyone should just adopt the KRISS Vector

[opaque coyote]

Actually a cool looking bullpup

[arctic talon]

Iirc there’s an export version

Chambered in 9mm

[opaque coyote]

KRISS Vector

More like

Kiss Vector

[crystal forum]

only around 1000 over the course of decades so most likely in several batches as it got improved, nothing really big

[opaque coyote]

[winter vessel]

there have been only two bullpups that draw my interest. Steyr Aug and Tavor

[crystal forum]

chinese weapon manufactures when they have to make new stuff

[arctic talon]

Taiwans main assault rifle is so funny

It’s based on multiple existing guns

[opaque coyote]

I like the CS:Source AUG better than the CSGO/CS2 one in terms of looks

[winter vessel]

the vector crb amuses me for some reason

[crystal forum]

what the fuck is that

[rocky gale]

The Vector has a ton of different loadouts, it's incredibly modular

[arctic talon]

It familiar

But also not

[winter vessel]

courtesy of KRISS

[crystal forum]

modular mcdonalds kids meals toys

they all look like ass

[arctic talon]

Yeah and it’s cool

Smh

[opaque coyote]

...that looks like

Every M4 pattern

[rocky gale]

Vectors are like the coolest guns

[opaque coyote]

Like ever

[winter vessel]

its even funnier with the drum mag

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

is that the HK's m4 lookalike

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

i keep forgetting the name

[arctic talon]

Or rather

It’s the Taiwanese production

[winter vessel]

MK18?

[arctic talon]

Of HK’s M4 lookalike

Anyways it’s weird

[opaque coyote]

I swear to God I wanted to just say

"Is that literally just an M4"

[arctic talon]

The big thing is it’s like

[winter vessel]

i've gotten MK18s and M4s mixed up sometimes

[arctic talon]

Surprisingly light

[crystal forum]

HK416 https://www.heckler-koch.com/_assets/thumbnail/1353/product-stage/webp

[opaque coyote]

I want to go to a gun range

[arctic talon]

It’s lighter then the HK416

[winter vessel]

gasp oh my favorite

[opaque coyote]

Would be fun to try out some guns to fire at targets

[arctic talon]

By like 2 pounds lol

Ammo is expensive

[crystal forum]

it has no forward assist

literally unusable

[opaque coyote]

Overall

Bang bang

Shoot shoot

Person dead

[arctic talon]

Taiwan is still using the M1911

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

America still uses it

[arctic talon]

What the fuck

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[crystal forum]

not even a railed version like the one that marines used until recently?

[arctic talon]

Yeah no

The original

Version

[opaque coyote]

Again

John Browning is heralded for a reason

[crystal forum]

american police departments dont count they're the wild west of guns

[arctic talon]

They’re replacing it

But

[winter vessel]

I'd like to own one

[arctic talon]

The M1911 is still the main pistol

Given to people to train with

[opaque coyote]

Same

[arctic talon]

In mandatory military training

Lol

[rocky gale]

Now if you want to see some real guns

[crystal forum]

there's a police department in the US that uses fucking G18's like how is that real

[rocky gale]

The Mateba Autorevolver

[opaque coyote]

I mean it's like either the M1911 or a Glock in terms of

"What you first think of when somebody says pistol"

[rocky gale]

Or if you want something with chesthair, there's the Mateba MTR-8

[crystal forum]

mateba nice

[arctic talon]

They’re replacing it with this thing

[winter vessel]

that's legit the Cyberpunk 2077 Revolver we use on the first Nomad mission

[opaque coyote]

Is that the fucking gun the Burya (from cyberpunk) is based off of

[crystal forum]

weird italian guns

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rocky gale]

I love the Mateba MTR

[crystal forum]

it's also in tarkov for some reason

[arctic talon]

Funny

[crystal forum]

not the price range of revolver you'd find in shitty post soviet cities

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact. Japanese Guns in WW2 were actually good quality wise.

But that's mainly because they did the classic tradition of

"Literally directly copying designs and calling it your own."

[rocky gale]

and the fact the 8 stands for it's bullet capacity, so there's also an MTR-12 and MTR-14

[arctic talon]

Also weren’t the issues only late war

For Japanese guns being total dogshit

[opaque coyote]

Yeah and even then it's just them looking ugly. They still shot fine

[arctic talon]

Because they were literally running out of resources

[winter vessel]

guns are like leaves on the trees, they can get swept away to any part of the world through bad logistics or the black market

[opaque coyote]

Like the rifle was the most common war trophy

And it looked like shit

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[opaque coyote]

Brt that's because they literally skipped the refurbishing process

[arctic talon]

It didn’t even get like

Sealed didn’t it?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

It still shot fine

[arctic talon]

I mean

If it got wet

You might have warping for wood

[opaque coyote]

But it's nowhere near as good quality as like

Early war

Which was high quality shit

[crystal forum]

retar gun collectors kept the price of japanese rifles low thanks to those rumors until recently

[arctic talon]

Well obviously

Japan was pretty modernized weapon wise

At the start of WW2

[shadow plover]

Gun nerds

[crystal forum]

japan when oil

[arctic talon]

I’m not smh

[opaque coyote]

Generally, yeah Japanese guns were low quality due to late war, rumors, and

Propaganda

[winter vessel]

Speaking of old guns, I saw someone bring an MG08/15 machine gun to an airsoft match I was in last month

[crystal forum]

you know what makes a great military? when the three main branches are at eachother's throats

-chad Hirohito

[opaque coyote]

I still remember that Propaganda video where they compared the MG42 and the American LMG at the time. I forgot it's name.

"Sure it shoots fast, but ours is more accurate!"

[crystal forum]

the BAR?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah tell that to the soldiers at D-Day

[winter vessel]

took about a year for it to be made

[arctic talon]

The army trying to kill the navy

[opaque coyote]

YUP

[crystal forum]

how do you forget the BAR

[opaque coyote]

I forget names all the time

[arctic talon]

They use the BAR still in the project wingman universe

[opaque coyote]

[crystal forum]

browning's other masterpiece

[arctic talon]

A lot of things he made could he considered thet

[crystal forum]

BAR's were even used in vietnam i fucking love them

[winter vessel]

i used to think that the BAR was just the big brother of the Thompson because of the hand guard. i was 5

[opaque coyote]

The M2 is still used today

And it's beautiful

[crystal forum]

they were intended as LMG's but quickly became proto-battle rifles

rare example of doctrine hindering actual war effort

[vagrant fox]

FN model D my beloved

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the problem is that it wasn't good for being an LMG.

20 box round magazines moment.

So most basically just used the M2 for machine gunning, which was fine, but the issue was that uh

It was heavy as shit

Like a true American

[crystal forum]

everybody loved the BAR. they just ditched the bipod and used it as a mobile automatic rifle for quick suppression. most veterans loved that thing

[winter vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/green-army-men-be-like-gif-25904498 how they say "Welcome" in Europe:

[dusk patrol]

The BARs advantage was you could carrying it around easily with one man

[crystal forum]

it's just army doctrine that sucksed for the BAR. they genuinely had no idea what to do with it

[dusk patrol]

It had a different role than other mounted guns which you couldn’t do that as well

[crystal forum]

in WW1 it was intended for some retar idea called walking fire

[arctic talon]

Well that’s never had any sort of historical precedent

People not knowing what they’re doing

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it was good as like a battle rifle.

Just ironically not for its stated purpose.

MG42 was really good also, and the Americans didn't really have an equivalent until the M60.

[crystal forum]

wdym they had the m1919

[arctic talon]

Mfw propaganda told me it was highly inaccurate

[crystal forum]

if you mean as a general purpose machinegun i guess

[dusk patrol]

They had a LMG by world war 1 lol

The BAR was just like

A hybrid

[winter vessel]

kinda shocked me when WW2 Vets walked out of the theaters

[arctic talon]

I mean it is prolly traumatizing I’m ngl

[crystal forum]

i'll be honest WW2 vets are a terrible source of factual information

[dusk patrol]

They’re good for direct experience not overall takes

Soldiers also commonly will use “worse” options because they like it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah was referring to being an LMG.

The M1919 was used as that though. You are right. It was good at it's role, still is today.

But it was also very fucking heavy.

I think a couple jury-rigged the M1919 into an actual LMG though.

I think it was generally called the "Stinger"

[arctic talon]

Familiarity is always nice

[dusk patrol]

Also people have preferences in general

[winter vessel]

yes. today we kitbash models, but some mad man kitbashed a machine gun

[arctic talon]

What in the fuck

[dusk patrol]

Bullpup is a great example of this

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's sad that no actual copies survived.

We only have like replicas and remakes

[dusk patrol]

Some people can’t stand it and it can get in the way despite often being superior technically

[winter vessel]

its on the Forgotten Weapons channel, you can look it up

[crystal forum]

the MG34 and MG42 were some of the first general purpose machineguns. they fit the role of light, medium and heavy and were mounted on vehicles. they were much more mobile than the M1919's tripod and they had the volume of fire of a medium machinegun. that's what really distinguished them

[vagrant fox]

Is he still advertising that stupid get entered to win thing

[opaque coyote]

Not anymore I think

[crystal forum]

it wasn't an official weapon designation so kitbashing is literally authentic

it was some armorers having fun

also it was an aircraft model so it shot ridiculously fast

[winter vessel]

the sound really was terrifying. like I can hear the thundering sound of the M2 Browning's fire. but the MG42 really earned the moniker of "Hitler's Buzzsaw". the sound was like an angry savage beast.

[crystal forum]

germany still uses it to this day

different designation

[winter vessel]

Mg3

[vagrant fox]

slightly different around

[crystal forum]

in their "we're totally not a military" army

[winter vessel]

Also German, the "Nebelwerfer Multiple Rocket Launcher"

[arctic talon]

That is

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact: It used the tail gunner version of the M2 as it's base.

Because it was a third lighter compared to the regular M1919.

But the problem is that uh

It easily overheated due to its high RPM and the fact that well

They were supposed to be air-cooled while flying in the sky. So they had to fire it in short bursts.

[crystal forum]

beat you to it

[opaque coyote]

"SIR WE RAN OUT OF MORTARS"

"TIE 8 ROCKET LAUNCHERS TOGETHER"

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[winter vessel]

inspiration

[opaque coyote]

Beautiful

Lmao

[vagrant fox]

Another win for the Imperium

[crystal forum]

i wish they did an infantry carryable hispano 20mm as a meme

[winter vessel]

multi barreled weapons always gave me excitement

[opaque coyote]

Multi barreled blunderbuss

[opaque coyote]

Although

The M134 Minigun is still my favorite

Listen there's a reason why it's shoved into every video game

Every fucking movie

Etc.

[crystal forum]

not even a GAU-8 fan smh

[opaque coyote]

And that's because it looks fucking cool

[winter vessel]

but I didn't know they were a thing until I watched Star Wars. Yeah you heard me.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Bigger brother

[crystal forum]

the rocket launcher?

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/Ma4pa3DqA1s?si=bAzIqyaTAo7Cz6Un

The Bigger Brother

[winter vessel]

no multi barreled weaponry. The Z-6 Blaster Cannon

i was 4 yrs old

[crystal forum]

i learned they existed from flash games like any good 2000's kid

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/IMMGywAxBmg?si=mAkO0bfUaaR0nSgg

[crystal forum]

i lied my favorite is the M61

because 20mm is the best round ever made

we should make 20mm guns for soldiers

[shadow plover]

I won't accept anything under 120mm

[crystal forum]

smoothbore or rifled

[winter vessel]

imagine a multi barreled weapons platform that shoots 120mm

[crystal forum]

which type of degenerate are you jerk

[shadow plover]

Smoothbore of course

[opaque coyote]

There's this gun which was

Basically made as a meme

https://youtu.be/0rKHXTsDcco?si=LmD_08ByYJKoxbNT

Caliber comparison

[crystal forum]

they had to put the 22lr in there

[shadow plover]

Still not 120mm

[crystal forum]

APFSDS my beloved

high velocity lawn dart

[shadow plover]

I've got one of the butts they're fired from as a paper towel holder

[crystal forum]

daaaamn

the discarding sabot?

[shadow plover]

No the part with the firing pin

[crystal forum]

oh the casing

the brass piece?

[shadow plover]

Well it's not a casing per se, because it all burns out

It's just the butt and the middle firing rod

Do I have to get up to take a picture from one

[crystal forum]

yes

please

:3

[shadow plover]

Don't mind the watch, it's busted

The casing is just cardboard which burns away when firing

[crystal forum]

i had no idea it was mostly caseless

wait are you sure that's not two piece howitzer round

[opaque coyote]

Warhammer 40k fans and guns are like

Bread and butter

[shadow plover]

I am because I fired it

[opaque coyote]

[crystal forum]

you might have a howitzer shell man

[shadow plover]

Jay

I'm Leopard crew

[crystal forum]

and i'm cat

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-to-tank-communication-tank-gif-11679869274951291671

How do you think I made this gif

[crystal forum]

i didn't know tankers were irl war thunder players

[arctic talon]

Peak gif

[shadow plover]

90% of them are

[crystal forum]

did you ever balance a glass of wine on your barrel

[shadow plover]

I'm actually in the tank opposite, my friend took this video

[crystal forum]

germans love doing that stunt with their tanks

[shadow plover]

No, that's just the old ad for the 2A4 tank with the pint

[crystal forum]

i've seen it done for crowd shows

so wait does the loader put the spent shell back in the rack with just the bottom piece remaining? @shadow plover

[storm jungle]

forbidden Jerk goon-setup

[shadow plover]

No you keep them in the breach case until you have an opportune moment to discard then

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-friend-head-pat-gif-12781571235693795431

[crystal forum]

discard as in throw out of the tank?

[shadow plover]

Yes

[crystal forum]

is there like a pneumatic tube system

[shadow plover]

No, it's no russian tank

[crystal forum]

so the loader opens a hatch and chucks it out

[shadow plover]

Pretty much, but there's plenty of space to have them about

Or just push them back into the racks if you're getting cramped

[crystal forum]

i thought that was still how they did it, putting spent shells in their respective slots then switching them out from the main magazine when the fast access one is empty

[shadow plover]

The hull racks are only accessible when the turret is at 2 o'clock so you probably don't want to go through the trouble of filling those with spent ones

[crystal forum]

i guess tanks really arent designed for continuous firing like they used to be

[shadow plover]

You've still got 20 rounds in the turret racks

[crystal forum]

you're using 2a6's i think so i know you're not canadian at least

[shadow plover]

Thankfully not

[winter vessel]

People want to drive a sports car but I just want to drive a Renault FT-17 tank

[vagrant fox]

Finland has sand

Ruining my stereotypes

[winter vessel]

Now where’s the Engineer with the blowtorch to start draining the tank’s health?

[shadow plover]

Fixing this mess probably

[winter vessel]

Just gotta repeatedly jab it with the knife because Battlefield PHYSICS

[crystal forum]

hold up are you finnish

[shadow plover]

It do be so

[crystal forum]

it's not even a 2a6 i been fooled

[shadow plover]

It is

We've got 2A6 and 2A4

[crystal forum]

i thought finland only used 2a4

im wrong

[shadow plover]

We bought a hundred 2A6s in 2014 or so

[winter vessel]

And you Fins have that delicious Lohikeitto soup

[shadow plover]

I'm not actually a huge fan of it

[crystal forum]

iiiiiiis that guy carrying a suomi

please tell me yes

[shadow plover]

It's alright

[crystal forum]

do you still use suomis

[winter vessel]

My personal bias, I like seafood, and my aunt made that for me one time while traveling in Europe

[shadow plover]

Suomi KP is ancient, no

[crystal forum]

fuck

i was about to coom

[shadow plover]

It's honestly pretty great every now and then, I had it too often as a child

[crystal forum]

if i had to visit any scandinavian country i'd visit finland. yes i know they're not scandinavian

[winter vessel]

The Finnish do it pretty well. Like, I’m very particular when it comes to seafood preparation. Baked, grilled, fried, deep fried or roasted over an open fire. But I’ve never been fond of fish in soup. Lohikeitto is a rare instance for me

[shadow plover]

Eh depends who you ask but strictly speaking were not yeah, just call the area the Nordics and it'll fit

[crystal forum]

that general area yes

[shadow plover]

Very fair, it's the best fish soup I've tried as well

[crystal forum]

it seems similar to rural quebec including the incomprehensible swearing locals

[shadow plover]

Also fair

[crystal forum]

i'd like to be able to say perkele correctly at least once in my life

[shadow plover]

Gotta learn that rolling r

[crystal forum]

are finnish r's done with the throat like in french or with the mouth

[shadow plover]

Front of the mouth

[crystal forum]

yeah that's hard af for me

i can do rolling r's french style but i bet it sounds weird

[shadow plover]

Very likely

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

I fucking love anything that asks this too

"why is angstrom so impulsive/stupid/violent"

HE LITERALLY HAS 1000 VERSIONS OF HIMSELF MELTED INTO HIS CRANIUM

😭

[dusk patrol]

If only they explained this

Right after it happened

And had him look all fucked up

And act insane

[storm jungle]

Yeah ikr, anyway haha funny big pulsing brain with mechanical horrors sticking out of it heho

[gray umbra]

Angstrom is a good guy

[storm jungle]

hes just a bit Angst-y-rom

[green loom]

What'sappincible

[storm jungle]

die

[queen laurel]

This is some warhammer fan level of trying to understand lore

[spare osprey]

Lookin like a green lantern

[crystal forum]

angstrom is certainly one of the villains of all times

i can't wait for the actually cool villain episode with conquer

and then another year of not-invincible slop

[rocky gale]

My favourite thing right now is opening TikTok and having another aspect of Invincible spoiled every 3 videos.

[storm jungle]

tiktok

[rocky gale]

Not even the show, it's like late comic stuff. Just the picture of it happening and writing saying "OH hey this happens"

[storm jungle]

you literally signed your own doom

[rocky gale]

What else am I going to do at work?

[storm jungle]

also yeah people are milking that stuff since the show is reaching new heights atm

[storm jungle]

read!!!

or idk get a coffee

[rocky gale]

I ain't taking a book into the lab

[storm jungle]

LAB?

[rocky gale]

The other scientists will think I'm a nerd

[storm jungle]

Damn i didnt know you worked with the GDA

what WMD are you eggheads making now

[rocky gale]

Recently just measuring the PH of yoghurt

[plush mason]

why does he have a phone on his chest?

[storm jungle]

its the whatsapp logo

its an edited image you fucking-

😭

[plush mason]

ok in my defense i have never seen the show and that isnt in the top 20 stupidest super hero costumes i have seen

[storm jungle]

damn, you got me there

[crystal forum]

😭

[storm jungle]

hahaha owned

but also 2 more days lads, be strong

[vagrant fox]

until hwat

[crystal forum]

until the final oblivion

[arctic talon]

My worm is standing ready

Thank you conquest

[crystal forum]

wolf be honest with me again

is rex's story done for good

[plush mason]

https://vxtwitter.com/QuirklessStoner/status/1899576506952905040

[crystal forum]

please tell me he gets cloned or something

[arctic talon]

LOL

[crystal forum]

he's like one of the only side characters i enjoy

[arctic talon]

Unless they change stuff rex is dead

[crystal forum]

you got to be shitting me

[arctic talon]

Getting a gank monster with no announcement would be crazy

[crystal forum]

im so broken

i rooted so hard for rex

[vagrant fox]

Will mister immortality win a fight

[crystal forum]

i thought he'd win against the shitvincible

but he's too addicted to decapitations

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[crystal forum]

literally the fourth time in the series it happens

[arctic talon]

So did I

They changed the fight

For both the Rex one and the guardians

[crystal forum]

does he win in the comics

i'll be so mad if he's nerfed in the show

[arctic talon]

No

He gets his ass beat even harder

He actually puts up a fight in the show

So good for Rex

[crystal forum]

the way you spoke about rex a few weeks ago wolf

you fucker

you made me think he'd have a long story ahead

gaaaah why rex

[storm jungle]

I love how people went from hating to loving him

PEAKVINCIBLE, PEAK

🗣️

[gray umbra]

its ok, my tiktok is just biker memes

its the same shit over and over again and the same fucking song

[crystal forum]

we know you bike jackit you can stop

[gray umbra]

also 40k lore

"is this the real marneus calgar"

[storm jungle]

hold on lemme check the subreddit

I wish reddit had an easier block feature

[arctic talon]

I make sure not to spoil ever

[rocky gale]

Is there a reason Sororitas don't use thunder hammers?

[arctic talon]

Not really

Actually

[crystal forum]

i am sending legos to your floor

[arctic talon]

They had them as part of their wargear list back in 3e but only when allied with inqusition

[spare osprey]

No doubt thragg barber memes threw show watchers off

[rocky gale]

Didn't they have a bunch more weapon options back in 8th?

[arctic talon]

Not really

Their current selection is the same

[rocky gale]

Or maybe 7th

[arctic talon]

SoB’s loadout diversity has been pretty consistent

[rocky gale]

Huh

[arctic talon]

excluding codex witch hunters

Which was

really diverse

[rocky gale]

I remember the Canoness having tons of Legends options come 9th

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

Let me check

[crystal forum]

3rd one:
rogal dorn speaks like he does in TTS

[arctic talon]

I don’t think she had anything super weird

[rocky gale]

Or maybe it was the Sister SUperior actually

[arctic talon]

Let me check her wargear list

She lost combi weapons

And the eviscerator

But the loadout of battle sisters and stuff has always been pretty basic

Flamers, meltas, bolters,and their heavy versions

[rocky gale]

Lemmie see

[arctic talon]

But lore wise they should have access to Thammers tbh

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Holy based

[rocky gale]

From 8th to 10th the Canoness lost Combi flamer/melta/plasma, Condemnor Boltgun, Storm Bolter, Eviscerator, Power axe and power maul

[gray umbra]

only if you dont drive it

[arctic talon]

Not condemor

She has it in 10e

[rocky gale]

Oh wait yea nevermind

[gray umbra]

it will eat through your fuel lines instead

[arctic talon]

I know this because I had one shoot Draxus with it

[rocky gale]

and sister superiors lost Storm Bolters

[arctic talon]

Also the loss of power weapon variants is whatever imo

Unified power weapon profile better

[rocky gale]

Probably to stop you from running 3 Storm Bolters in a squad

[arctic talon]

But yeah loss of eviscerator and storm bolter is unfortunate

Jump cannoness has it still

Well

She’s new I guess

[crystal forum]

gay

wolf stop having gay tabletop takes

[arctic talon]

It’s literally better for the game and hobbying

And fluff wise

Power swords, power mauls and power axes pretty all have the same effectiveness. They never should have been split into dif profiles in 5e anyways

[crystal forum]

i love this thumbnail

[gray umbra]

the homeless

[tough haven]

Yeah, pretty much

[tough haven]

The homeless and military vets

[storm jungle]

frip's custom thumbnails are so good

[arctic talon]

Frips art is peak

[queen laurel]

@arctic talon they have dual blades in Necromunda

[arctic talon]

they also have them in 40k in general

[rose thorn]

buggies!!!!!!!!!!!

i love the cave crickets

[queen laurel]

no way

insect glaive