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Tanks are always a big part but man
Yeah
He’s just way too focal
Another reason why the switch to one tank was braindead
But whatever
I played hots since 2015/2016.
a tank that has damage overtime fire and crits heals off of the damage and has brutal engage and lockdown
i really wanted to try it but it's now a rotting corpse
His only “downside” is he can’t protect his team directly as well and he doesn’t need to
Because he draws fire by existing
Rotting corpse is a compliment
yeah probably is
Genuinely has one of the most creative hero rosters when it comes to abilities
oh man i would have killed to try Dehaka
I was in the middle of learning Abathur till interest tanked in the community
yeah it seemed like fun
And I will say probably has one of the weirdest characters I have ever seen in a moba
Cho'gall
A 2 player character that is absolutely devastating if used correctly
also deathwing
which is practically a raid boss but in turn has some massive caveats to balance his power
Abathur, staying in one spot but has control of the flow of the entire map.
Sgt Hammer, a fucking siege tank
RTS in a MOBA
yeah, Dehaka which has practically ability to move around the map by burrowing
Vikings, you control 3 heroes at once.
yeah genuinely awesome characters
and the final hero they added hogger
bloody tasmanian devil from looney tunes
Rexxar and Misha
Medivh, portals and invul in the air.
Varian, can turn into 3 different classes.
Surprise Dehaka disables were pretty hype when a league was still around
The most recent patch nerfed him again...
Dehaka?
Hots has so many unique things.
Yes
i didn't know he was considered that broken
Can someone remind me. someone here the other day said were getting. Darktide tabletop game soon or DND or something soon that will go along with an update
Oh, the god damned Murky.
oh it's an expansion for wrath and glory
it's already out
Oh
To this day I still don't know if murky is a meme or legit
Man, you don't know the prime Dehaka.
All I know is that he is hard to kill because of essence collection and his abilities are designed to be maximum nuisance
grabs, burrows, AOE damage
Along an update ?
yeah adaptation seems like a very specific ability
that you need good timing to use
It is both.
Oh yes, ChoGall's best support, Auriel, who have revive in a Moba game...
what about this guy
So if you revive ChoGall, you revive 2 players.
Probably the other character I'm only interested to play
Butcher, very very weak unless the team baby sits him until he finishes his quest.
that's a stacking hero for you
Then he gets somewhat strong, but still not meta.
what about diablo
I liked Varian when I played
If I went back today I'd probably start becoming an Anduin/Morales main
Even if Butcher has full stack, still meh.
One of the strongest tanks
I shifted very heavily to playing support stuff in the last year
Tychus, anti tank specialist, has built in %damage, which ignores damage reductions.
what about deathwing
Dota 2 and LoL don't have balls to make such things.
Most of the time it is played as a bruiser or damage dealer. Though it can do side tank well.
The issue is that the passive unstoppable also denies it from receiving healing and buff from teammates, so it cannot tank for long.
if i actually bothered on playing the game i would probably be playing blaze , Garrosh, Stitches, dehaka, Diablo
yeah i like warriors how can you tell
Bruisers are better to learn the game.
to be honest right now i would probably play blaze
Im a stealth annoyer...
even if he looks like he's not good
so i go in and cause problems for the enemy team?
Kind of in and out
His cc on the enemy is also his healing, you have to decide what you want.
i see
Bunker is quite broken
Holy shit, I realized that I still remember the name of pretty much all of the abilities in the game and most talents.
Yeah from just a defensive utility standpoint it's broken so I guess combustion is the short end of the stick
Now it makes me even sadder that the game is gone.
Well, gone as in no development, no care.
It was also free to play so man I was hoping to really try it but nobody really plays it anymore
Fenix's planet cracker, which other moba where an ability like that is not broken.
oh man not just the heroes
but the maps
my god the maps
Warhead junction and Braxis Holdout?
peak
throwing nukes into building your own zerg horde
i really wish i played the game
it seems genuinely good fun
I don't think that I can bring myself back to play it again.
What do you all think a Shiver Blade work like ? Simple Force weapons ?
this is all there is to them
seems they are just you know blades
yeah was gonna say lol
sadge
Night Hardened... buzz word marketing...
But it mean no Katana in DT, so that's an upside
Katana is not a bad concept, but it is out of place with the very England origins of 40k as a whole
Maybe as a skin, labeled as a Chogrosian weapon, for duelling swords
Katana don't really seem out of place in a largely multicultural Imperium.
DT has the dual sabre, which is close enough.
You realise that a Katana isn't really like the Duel Swords that we have ?
Like Catachan Swords if anything are closer
If not, another alternative would be the adding the Kriegsmesser.
How is Dclaw closer to katana?
Shape, use, using similar guards, 1h but with the possibility to use 2h...
One of the thickest, widest and relatively short sword... Ok.
Claw is closer to pioneer sword than anything, round guard is notJapanese only thing neither.
But Duel Swords aren't closer to a Katana...
If that's your consideration, then the heavy sword/falchion are the closest.
Of course none of them are. For decades, they can add East Asian stuff any time, especially during the pop culture of the 80/90s with ninja and stuff, yet we don't really get anything.
and as we all know revolvers are the katanas of the west
Looking at the boukuto hanging above my bed... Am I in danger.
weeb wooden sword
Wooden katana
I wonder if anyone would want matchlock/flintlock musket type weapons in darktide, seeing how they still exist somewhat in 40k.
Sure add a las-lock, it'd be fun
How'd that even work? Just have a massive battery that contains 1 really large shot?
All I remember is they fire one rather powerful shot
If it can kill what it is intended for, then of course someone will make it. Considering there are more primitive weapons in use.
do the skitarii use las weapons or is it just the arc and rad guns?
Ogryn getting a Brace of Musket
Certain grade of Skitarii do
keep an eye on that one
Hold on, he isn't bald yet
you know what to do
Nah, they get a 40k nockgun.
cats are literally perfect creatures
random
What in god’s name is going on in here lol
I just read the last 3 messages without context
Oh get used to it, it's not that bad
Too complicated for them, Brace of Handgun/Musket fit better
Summarizing the fate of a psyker being in service to the god emperor of mankind:
Looks Marvel ish but I recognise nothing
"When does the magic begin?"
"Sir you are about to get your soul sucked."
One of the better/more depressing bits of HH
Is the bit where they do it for the first time…
none of the tabletop ones
so since they conceived melta grenades do plasma grenades exist
and consequently could las? grenades exist
does overheating your plasma gun/las gun battery count
perhaps
Plasma grenades are usually a craftworld eldar thing
(Although IIRC Eldar just end up using them as fancier Anti Tank nades like Krak)
yeah
afaik a las pack explosion is just a typical explosion since las packs dont produce the lasers
a las grenade would be like a bunch of laser pointers set to overdrive for a brief second attached to a las pack or something
isn't that a bit odd? it's not like plasma tech is super rare for humanity
tbh it might be a case of Gw never mentioniing it for humans
its like haywire grenades which (were) an eldar only thing
until we got lore on admech using them
maybe humanity prefers mass manufacturing krak grenades instead
also idk how frag grenades are meant to hurt astartes
Why make difficult plasma grenades instead of easy frag and krak
who could've seen this coming
In the Deathwatch TTRPG I'd just sometimes drop a frag grenade at my feet because I'd be immune to it
Frags lore wise pretty much don't lol
unless the marine gets absurdly unlucky with shrapnel
kraks kill marines good though
ye
also like how does a melta grenade even work
Well 1st off, which type of Melta is it
It's probably the Plasmified matter ones, so basically proto Plasma bombs
Melta bombs
When activated, they explode with intense thermal energy, 'melting' the target away.
and is a krak basically just a magnetized hedp type of thing or something else
melta create heat. where that heat comes from is not a consistent lore thing as there's 2 main types that have the exact same effect
krak like frag is not a set definition. some are literal sticky bombs, some are magnetic. the factor that determines them is they're anti tank grenades
so i know dark angels are kind of major dickheads in the fact that they'll kill/disappear people sometimes for just know about the fallen is their a limit in power of the person theyre trying to get rid of to keep it hidden ie would they try and take out a custodes to keep the secret
They've done more or less just that
Their limit is their ability to keep the blame off themselves
That rogue trader page was the only reference to imperial plasma grenades i could find unless theres like a nugget in a book somewhere
Iirc the table said it was rare
Dark angels have disappeared inquisitors right?
yes
Multiple times yes
so outside of the emperor himself p much anyones free game as long as they think itd work out in the end and blame could be shifted
Yes
They send a team into the imperial palace at one point
With plasma bombs hooked up inside them to remove any evidence should one die
did the dark angels and alpha legion ever see eye to eye in the fact they both perform dubious black ops tier shit non stop
Nah
the DA thought the AL weren't direct enough
the AL thought the DA weren't secretive enough
the one thing they both agreed on was terminator spearheads

Although iirc the Alpha Legion still had trouble getting into the DA because of how crazy their internal paranoia was
Dark angels are more cover up than operating procedure
i think slowley the da have become my second favorite chapter over throwing raven guard
Fallen are(were?) a mark of shame.
Not sure how it stands with the lion coming back and rallying the loyal ones
whos the current chapter master of da and has he been able to meet the lion yet
Most of the DA don't actually know what the companions even are
Shit most of the inner circle is told that the Lion being back is fake news
did he talk w him abt the fallen and what he was planning or was him bringing back in the fallen a spur of the moment kind of thing
he did
Lion basicially shows up when ever the DA captures fallen
tests them
if they pass they become risen
otherwise the interrogator chaplains get to "make them repent"
Tbf its pretty much an open secret
think luther coul ever rise again
for anyone who survived wyrmwood
Not every fallen was in on it
but yeah the lion is still pretty secret
the inner circle are also still a bunch of assholes
not much has changed at all, Lion approves of what the DA have done lol
which do you think has a higher likelihood of reforming first alpha legion or nightlords
night lords
they have 2 centralized large warbands
which is way more then the AL
with a grand total of none
Reforming as in becoming loyal or reforming as a whole legion
wasnt their that one book kind no to long ago about a group of them in a group
legion i dont think nightlords would ever go loyalist again
but not nearly large enough
Probably night lords
I dont think alpha legion really knows what theyre doing anymore
its all according to plan
But which one 😉
Yeah there’s decimus’s warband and Krieg’s
A true command structure will prolly never reform
But they’re more organized then the AL
isnt their also that one nightlord guy had the name like "enlightened"or something ominous
A few AL warbands got together but they're like
Just hanging out
And divided like crazy stil
Yea AL kind of just self disintegrated during HH due to the way they work
As a full legion, that is
Dorn actually canonically 200% confirmed to have offed Alpharius couldn’t have helped matters either.
(Kind of why Imperial Fist are my second fav Loyalist legion. I give them respect for that, where it’s due.)
no, their first meeting was already kinda iffy
"alpharius" arriving out of nowhere during the xenocides and saying he'd back the lion as warmaster
Okay so I’ve heard space wolves have successer chapters but I’ve also heard they don’t I’m confused
they only ever had one chapter pre-primaris
Wolf Brothers i think
they had to be disbanded cause the wulfen curse was rampant
but since primaris gene seed is more stable
they have been able to create chapters with them
They had none surviving pre primaris
Wolfspear is the one that comes to mind
It’s not the primaris gene seed that makes it stable
Ironically
The issue was that SW geneseed thats been on Fenris
ahhhh
Gets irreversibly fucked up and can only be reimplanted on people from fenris
And it only clicked for the space wolves
Once the primaris sucessors showed up as to what was wrong
Wait hang on I thought it was only fucked up because they put normal Geneseed into humans with wolf DNA…
The canis helix is weird
Hmm I see because I’ve been thinking of homebrewing a space wolves chapter might even homebrew a dark angel chapter
It’s something added
To SW geneseed implementation
But they were doing it pre fenris already
Something about Fenris is messed up fundamentally
If you need any narrative excuses, “Ad Mech demanded experimentation” or “Inquisition demanded a Chapter of Wolves but Not Wolves” are perfectly valid narrative points to use.
"there are no wolves on Fenris"
40k, where a planet’s inherent biosphere/“warp signature” can even corrupt genetic materials not inside a human body
I see what about dark angels and blood angels?
yea, for DA, can be straightforward.
Just make them part of Gullimans big wave of “more chapters now”
DA geneseed is stable yeah
So they get successors formed decently often
BA is literally Freeform - despite their instability, they do have successors…
Only Wolves need a bit of wrangling if pre-Ultima founding.
Yeah
Sweet thanks for the information
Tbh I do find it hilarious the SW are now absurdly paranoid
Of letting any of their successors land on fenris
Because they do not want a repeat of what happened before
It’s kind of refreshing that I can homebrew successer chapters just need a good explanation
Part of the fun of 40k (and, arguably, more fun than the actual playing the tabletop game nowadays)
Is the lore creation.
I love how sandbox of a franchise 40k is.
Magnus in the warp: “Now you bastards know how I felt!”
"Warhammer Concert Suite" composed by Jesper Kyd
Arrangement and orchestration by Benoît Grey
Performed by The Danish National Symphony Orchestra and The Danish National Concert Choir
Conducted by James Sherlock
This performance was a part of the video game live concert "Gaming X Symphony" broadcasted on The Danish Broadcast Corporation (DR)
...
Jesper Kyd is back to cooking
Or not really back but
How dare you suggest he ever stopped
it's funny because he's danish and no one pronounces kyd right
I spectated a discussion on how to and actually know
Karma has its kiss for me once again
At least he’s not a Bavarian
god forbid
Low germans are the only acceptable germans clearly
Man, arguing with Tau fans that the Tau have never been good while I wait for GTA to download is exhausting
Mfw I’m in a didn’t read the lore contest and my competition is a Tau fan who thinks GW made them more evil after their release

Some random tau wouldn't kill themselves because an ethereal commands it, somehow it has to be clone trooper brain chips
is there some tau drama i missed
Naur not really, I like complaining
No just always some fans who get weird about the Tau being evil
Somehow the Tau used to be good
Even though their first rulebook has basically all the bad stuff we know about them right off the rip
It’s the same as people who want Salamanders to be good
Just people who need some good guy to like cause they’re weak and pathetic
oh i thought you meant some recent release made them look worse or smth
The question posed of what's the point of the tau if they aren't the good guys is weird to me
Sir or ma'am this is warhammmers fourtythousands
They can be better than the alternatives
While still being evil
It’s so silly to me
But whatever
I prefer that niche for them, manifest destiny is a good thing to them and all that. But whatever indeed
They’re Grimdark NATO
Big gun defeats all
The point of the Tau is that they’re much less evil then the imperium but still abhorrent by modern standards for most nations
One of the last Bastions actually good comics posted on Reddit
I love that the human’s face is always the exact same too
I've already used this three times today
What did the Tyranids tell the Blood Angels?
Fuck it we Baal
@queen laurel hey is there any new Kruleboy clans / clan lore updates in the battletome
Autist time
I like that DarkTide call it Tactical Axe and not Tomahawk. Tac axe are more like hatchet and does more serious damage than the typical tiny and light tomahawk axe.
"Hey babe, want me to fill that space in your marine, too?"
“Hey babe, I hope I can devour your biomass”
Tell him to shoot back
Lmao
"Hey babe, wanna get changed with me and the Rubrics?"
“Hey babe, wanan see you what else has precision auto fire?”
Use his bolter and spray it all over the heretics
Im surprised people will hit on others still in video games like that
Nope
Here you go
Most of the time it is just for the meme of it.
Ive played MWO which surprisingly has women playing
Im surprised people dont hit on them, or at least no hitting on from whenever I was in game with them
Good overall
only hit on them when you've established a friendship so you can ruin everything
Maybe because I played too much videogames that seeing/hearing women doesn't surprise me anymore, doesn't matter the game.
Im surprised there are women playing a 10+ year old PVP mech game that has a pretty male dominated fan base
Hearing a women talking to them surprises a lot of gamers tbf
It definitely was more "mythical" way back in the mid 2000's
I had many awkward encounters before i stopped using mics in online games 💀
Can confirm, never talk to women
Granted I don't talk to anyone but hey comedic effect
I'm really indifferent about women in video games, I see another person, that's it. Though, we have different lives.
I mean yes because you are a relatively a normal person
most people turn into baboons lol
man the more I learn about the dark angels, the more I am just like 'is everyone in the dark angels fucking stupid???'
Just tag me 🙄
Yes
Yes
I just do not get why people like em based on what I have learned about em from the books and such
Drip
They are very cool aesthetically
their schtick is just braindead af
like its an extremely rare case where ironically the memes about them are all very much correct lol
'guys, we need to kill guilliman, he might known about the fallen!'
proceeds to try and KILL HIM
'oh wait, he just wanted to give us primaris marines'
Space wolves (Leman) just got all the good stuff
the fact that they even did is even funnier
and when they murdered a custodes and were like
'is it our fault for murdering a shadowkeeper?'
'no it must be the fallens fault!'
they are so fucking goofy
Kind of
like-
their entire palace incursion is fucking stupid dont get me wrong
yeah the custodes had cypher and stuff in custody
and they take no pleasure in fighting a custodian thats alone and by itself
but like
attacking him with ZERO hesitation is fucking hilarious
and some deathwings fired at a shadow keeper who killed 6 of em before being killed with warp powers and they were like 'I know we opened fire first, but this isn't our fault, its actually the fallen guys I swear'
He at least kills like 6 out of 10 of them lol
ey jinx
but yeah its stupid as shit but its kinda whatever
it unfortunately has become their entire identity but its hopefully gonna slowly go away
Because people wouldn't like a lot of factions based off kinda meh books otherwise.
the only thing I like about the dark angels is their little friends
Most people don't read the books also
like I know the chapters often get exaugurated and stuff
Yeah because Salamanders dont have a gimmick that is distruptive and annoying
(mostly)
They do
Jawas.
but I thought 'oh they just made the dark angels to the extreme for the memes'
and then I started actually reading about them and went 'Wait, they weren't fucking around, these guys are actually stupid'
But people are just dumb and ignore it cause they like it when marines pet dogs and are nice to kids to the detriment of the mission.
Yeah but id still take that over the Fallen
its an absolute cancer of a "faction identity" gimmick
50/50
DA are cool as fuck until they get to doing anything regarding the Fallen
I like when we get moments of like, space marines actually being humans
Crimson fists are great
Pandorax is a very cool Dark Angel book for example.
Anything Fallen is boring but theres at least a few which aren't
If the damage was done nobody would like Eldar
"Yeah uh stop that"
like when the uhhh
The Eldar have nothing to do with this conversation
There's no lack of factions which are cooler than their books despite their books being meh
Anyway
I like Sallies for examples still despite their dogshit books
And they have literally no good books.
the Fallen gimmick is bad and has almost ruined the DA as a faction, this is very much a general consensus a lot of people agree with and are annoyed by extremely
crimson fist helped the women by carrying her and was like 'you have you carried your burden, now it is your turn to be carried'
the woman probably died later knowing imperial territory tbh
but hey

yeah I know, but in a universe full of darkness, seeing a little bit of light and kindness is nice
I mean yeah, it was hundreds of years ago Dilara
Everyone dies

You wish
it's why you go for fallen tbh
Its kinda my issue with imperial books
0%
but also 30k DA scheme is cooler so i must agree
Utinni!.
for the chance of a like, magnus redemption book
30k DA is nice, plus you still have some of the green
the noble shard of magnus exists.
I know its stupid, but PLEASE, I BEG YOU GW
i like ian's DA ideas
Magnus was like shattered and stuff into a bunch of bits by big mcfurry
If I didn't have really nasty dyslexia, I would be reading them, but I know about it
Okay yeah Khan goes and kills that shard on Prospero I think
I could have sworn the noble shard was like
with the grey knights or smth
If you're thinking of the one that merges with Revuel
To stop him from dying
I think
Ahriman has gathered like, 4 shards of magnus, with the noble shard being on terra from what I am reading?
Then he's currently I believe in Abaddon's throneroom
granted, I can't read good
the shard of prospero was destroyed by jaggi
'The Shard of Terra, representing Magnus' noblest virtues, was created when Magnus sought to breach the psychic wards of the Imperial Webway extension to warn the Emperor of Horus' betrayal, was kept by Malcador the Sigillite on Terra, and the corrupted Magnus declared that the Thousand Sons Legion would aid Horus' assault on Terra to recover it. Meanwhile this shard stalked the Imperial Dungeons and was eventually sealed into the body of Revuel Arvida by Malcador. The ritual did not go as planned and a new being emerged, neither Arvida or Magnus, known as Ianius, later Janus, the first Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights'
I do like magnus, I know he has a lot of faults, but I do honestly think that if russ hadn't basically went to kill magnus when being tricked by horus? or erabus?, I think he would have stayed loyal
Magnus would have fallen to chaos one way or another
He was literally working with daemons
Pre Nikea lol
Tzeentch had its claws in him forever
I hope the Tutelary claws your eyes out like they did to that one random tsons librarian at Nikea/j
Magnus would have fucked it up for the loyalists if he stayed loyal anyways
let me have this 😔
Magnus's primarch power is despite all odds, always making the worst possible choice.
I just need more copium guys I swear
I wonder how we'd port the Ubersreik 5 to AoS
Knowing the freaky magic shenanigans we get up to I think we could handwave a super future portal

Otherwise though I'm thinking
Stormcast Saltz
Ossiarch Kruber
Sylvaneth Kerillian
Dunno about Bardin doe
I feel bad for some of the primarchs honestly
mainly what happened between dorn and perty
Update the guy who was hitting on my partner was a raging transphobe
Hitting on her in space marine 2
I know there was a friendship between a fist and a Iron warrior which was stated to be what could have been between dorn and perty if they both weren't too autistic 😔
Baradin lives by getting saved somehow
Becomes Fyreslayer
I hate fyreslayers
Or actually couldn't he also get yoinked out of the soul pile and restored
I wonder if it'd be neat to make a new team that's mentored by Stormcast Saltz
He remembers, vaguely, fighting Skaven a long time ago
I almsot just straight up said 'we should have a darktide version of warhammer fantasy'
while having played vermintide 2
guys, I am an actual ogryn irl without the benefits
But someone higher up knows a bit more, and Sigmar is known to do weird experiments with specific Stormcast heroes(See: Ms Blacktalon)
You read my goddamn mind, Stormcast Saltz fills out a similar role to Lohner. Putting together a motley crew of heroes from different order factions. And he occasionally reminisces on a former team he used to work with but can only vaguely remember.
Tbh the person with the shittiest time post revival assuming all the humans get turned to storm cast is Kerellian lol
Since her soul would end up in Slaanesh’s stomach
Yeah but you know she'd give Slaanesh wicked indigestion and heartburn at least.
Tbf slaanesh had that
Already from eating so many tasty elf souls
Which is why they got jumped
I feel like that was more like a food coma.
honestly, I think slaneesh is the least interesting of the chaos gods, but that is just me
I'll probably get crucified for it, but I think all of the big four are pretty dull. I'd rather hear about the Great Horned Rat, Hashut or even Vashtorr (yes I know Vashtorr is not ascended)
I like vashtorr much more than the chaos gods
Thanks for the compliment.
Minor Chaos God for the chaos dwarfs in Warhammer Fantasy, mentioned in AoS
If you like Vashtorr you'd probably like Hashut. He's the minor chaos god worshipped by the chaos dwarves. God of tyranny and industry. Taught them how to turn daemons into batteries and other fun stuff.
Minor chaos god in whfb and AoS
^
mainly because I have other fantasy settings I prefer
For minor chaos gods/demi gods in 40K we have The Raptor God, Malice(barely) and Vashtor
the raptor god??
The raptor cults all worship it
Don't forget the greater good now technically haha, god that's so weird to say now.
no idea who the raptor cult is tbh
The raptor cults are a chaos space marine thing
dinosaur chaos god
chaos space marines riding on dinosaurs would be hard
it would
They’re referred to as raptors because
They start growing claws/talons and shit
The chosen of the raptor god become warp talons
If it makes you more interested, there's a subset of eldar that apparently ride dinosaurs
I know little of them but they apparently known as Exodites?
Exodites yeah
Beaut
i'm already a baboon
no you're gay
Based
I thought u were a cat
exactly
elven wall
What degenerate thing is this?
yes
Imhotep. Not to be confused with Imhotekh
The stormlord?
The one and only
"Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra. Its mission was to reach the utmost limits of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that one day it would arrive back to its place of origin having circumnavigated the universe, or in other words, skirted the edge of reality. This probe is still sending back signals after fourteen thousand years adrift. The signals are faint and the probe is not yet on its way back, if it ever will come back. To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who constantly monitor the incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be this: that wherever they go, the Orks will always be with them."
is this where the krorks went?
the krorks devolved into orks due to lack of challenging fights afaik
yeah that
the lack of challenge and Eldar systematically culling them in ways that lack proper fights basically made them devolve
I recently tried learning more about what'd happen if emperor dies or what if he resurrects. And I came across a bunch weird stuff that is normally never mentioned in 40k videos or conversations. Things like Star child, Dark King, Sensei, Illuminati.
Are these old/irrelevant lore? Are they retconned out of existence now?
Most of it is mentioned but it’s very old lore or people kinda
Speculate a lot
Sensei I don’t think have come up for over a decade
Or maybe 2
Dark King is the chaos god he would have become during the siege
But didn’t end up happening
"Sensei" was a dumb name for what they're supposed to be.
Yeah it’s
It’s good it’s not a thing much anymore
Star Child is sorta just a name for the Emperor in the warp
Does it (star child) do anything now in the current lore?
Or is it also something GW wants to forget about?
It’s more just his name in the warp tbh
The Sensei connection and all that was mostly very early Ian Watson stuff
They still use the name but it’s more just a generic description of how he is in the warp
Yeah but it’s inconsistent
The issue is the star child lore is mixed up with the old and new stuff
And Lexicanum and other sites don’t really differentiate that
I assumed what's mentioned in lexicanum is super old stuff
Some is some isn’t
Its best imo to try to find where they’re getting the information from
And read the more recent appearances
Ignore the Ian Watson and old stuff largely.
The idea though seems to be of the emperor getting more power in the warp and of an “awakening” happening for it, but what exactly it’ll do who knows
It's not possible to get Warhammer books in Bangladesh. And E-books are too expensive. All my knowledge comes from lexicanum, wikia, youtube, and you guys. 🙂
I’ll say, a lot of this stuff is
Super easy to find online for free
PDFs for older stuff exists aplenty if you just google free pdf of whatever
Not always but yeah
But yeah I get that you can’t always
Are you talking about the 'P' word?
xD I'll check 'em out. I've gotten a bit too lazy for books tbh
Someone please explain this, someone posted it at my LGS discord and I’m so so confused
Short form internet content has been rotting my brain slowly.
Is it a middle finger joke?
gang sign for bloods
it's a reference to space king
that is basically spelled out as blood
OHHHHHHHHHHH
it's a gang sign you doofus
From a animated show called space king which is basically 40k
It's still a reference to space king
B POSITIVE
I saw the first one back in like, 2018
Yeah it's basically a gang sign for blood
but it became more popular in warhammer after you know
space king
that's dumb af
sweaty nerds need to stop this
I didnt like it bank then but my sense of humor is pretty trash
if yours is trash then mine is a planet made out of garbage
i dont particularly find this funny
you don't have to tell us buddy we know
are you annoyed?
no just not suprised
oh im sorry i forgot that gang signs are meant to be funny
go do one in los angeles
you do it
It's funny cause it's ridiculous I think that's the point of space king
if the first thing that passes through your mind when seeing that is space king you need to go out more
or you're a moron
both can also be true
Well that's the thing space king popularized the sign in the warhammer community
what are you gonna do about it that's literally what happened
what are you trying to prove
Like yes it's a gang sign but it's a gang sign popularized by a YouTube video which in turn became popular to a setting
I don't think thinking going outside more will help you not think of space king?
just because it was your personal first exposure to a fucking gang sign does not mean it popularized it lmao
what i'm saying is that the video popularised the gang sign in the warhammer setting i'm not saying that the gang sign was made for the video
dont replicate it and post pics of yourself doing it. really not that complicated what im trying to say
you're a moron if you do
But that's not the conversation in the 1st place I was just telling Maggie where the thing comes from in a warhammer context
dude no one here is dumb enough to do it in public
That's just like asking to get shot
i thought it's a given but alright
literally nothing is a given this is the internet you know this
i have faith in people having common sense because if we don't as a species would have been long gone
You can be smart as hell and still have the awareness of a potatoe I think common sense is iq
it's intelligence vs wisdom argument all over again
My bad
Can you not go there I am being polite here please let's just bury this
I feel you there
the brain rot is real and comes for all of us
What about that insta glitch that was showing everyone covered videos of hard out gore a week or so ago
That was messed up
It was like social media censorship is like God Emperor holding back chaos and an eye of terror was opened up in Instagram.
would be cool if idk
khornate mfs used it
probably wouldn't be good to put something irl in 40k tho
also would be weird considering it's like
38000 years later
yeah it's not a good idea
like at all
yeah
idk I watch youtube shorts and I feel completely pineapple
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I don't know Chinese, what does that mean?
I can promise you no yns are going to track down a 40 year old warhammer painter for this
the type to care about ish like this don't live in the same tax bracket
I can promise you
Would you like me to help you by nuking short vids?
And re: earlier conversations…
Flash Gitz (guy who made space king) is a Brit
Brits who, you know, are adamantly stubborn headed about making fun of…everything.
Even dangerous or inappropriate things at times.
(Then again I suppose that’s just Brits being Brits)
I really wish successes chapters were a thing in 30k because I want to make a world eater successer chapter in 40k where they are loyalist and didn’t turn on the emperor is there a way I could do that?
I mean, during HH every legion had splinter factions that went the opposite allegiance from how their Primarch went
Your successors could be from a World Eaters Loyalist splinter faction
Also, look up a dude called Endryd Haar if you need
His case is slightly different (due to some HH era specific politics about a legion’s identity before/after meeting Primarch) but the core idea or a loyalist World Eater is there.
^
just make a smaller company or whatever who did things different
Give them some name
A lot of chapters came from those and already had their name in fact
Most chapters are just former companies of the parent legion, you can put your take on them a little bit.
Even some groups like terran RG had different companies and mindset.
Well, that’s only true for the first couple of foundings
Later foundings def not
So it could work?
Wdym
They asked for HH things, so yes.
Oh
I mean because I love world eaters and I want to play them in space marine 2 but I’d have to play the pvp and I’m not a big fan so if I can make a world eaters successer without being hung by jumper cables I’ll just do that
If you’re doing something for heresy then nvm lol
World eaters have a lot of traitor war bands that make up the legion
Like other traitors, half of their legions are loyal and they have to eliminate those.
So having loyal from traitor lagions is fine.
Yeah
Okay then cheers
No nails of course because that wouldn’t make sense so I’ll say they rejected the nails because they saw it as weak and that they don’t need the nails to fuel their rage for they are rage incarnate or something like that does that make sense?
Idk I just came up with that on the spot
All WE had the nails excluding some dreadnoughts and the librarius
Oh damn well then how do I make it work then? Because I don’t think any of them can resist the temptation of Khorne with the nails
Well they can
Also is this 30k era
Because in that case they wouldn’t have to worry about khorne at all really
Well I wanted to see if I can make a we successer chapter in 40k since that’s when space marine 2 takes place of course
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Oh you want loyalist WE in 40K
Well are you going with the whole
Displaced by time thing
Or just geneseed lol
Or they’ve somehow survived since the heresy
Well then you don’t need to worry about the nails at all
Geneseed is seperate from culture largely
Because somehow surviving the heresy sounds like a cool idea but imo doesn’t make sense plus if they did I’m sure they’d be killed by the inquisition
Could they have a WE Chapter that was mainly composed of Librairian, so they managed to still have Loyalist even if they had Nails
Its a cool idea but to me just doesn’t make sense
World Eaters gene stock, as with all other legion including the traitors, are always available from Terra, so they can always create new chapters from traitor gene seed, but of course sanctioned and classified.
Hence the numerous "unknown founding" and "unknown predecessor".
Isn't the Cursed Founding made from Traitor Legions ?
It is the only one well recorded. In reality, they got books written about them.
No, we have no actual examples of chapters founded from traitor geneseed
Some implied but none were cursed founding that I can recall.
Minotaurs are one that the only lore is from a playtester whose original idea was that, with no actual real lore showing it.
Space Sharks are confirmed Raven Guard.
Because of the Classified info 😉
We do know they tampered with their geneseed
Theres no examples we have of it being traitor geneseed.
Wait the Space Shark are from he Cursed Founding ?
No
I'm just bringing up the examples people bring up of "traitor geneseed" chapters
Which aren't actually.
Blood Ravens have been outright denied by GW.
I mean I do want this we successer chapter to have some of the we culture and if possible born on the same planet as the we but idk if it would work
WE didn't have a planet
And the ones they recruited from got blasted
Or their primary training worlds
Nuceria also
And if you want a World Eater culture, just do that tbh.
It doesn't need to be a successor to them.
Geneseed largely doesn't affect chapters much outside of ones like Space Wolves and Blood Angels.
And even they vary alot.
Chains on hands(Which the BT Also have so just, take that)
Duels
And that's more or less it
Before Nuceria they were pretty much super stock too
You don’t need to limit yourself or enslave yourself by the chapter geneseed
And also, you don’t even need to pick one
Lots of chapters don’t know
From my understanding. Blanks suppress warp in a small area, making psychers weaker or powerless. Sisters of Silence are made of blanks. Do their presence impact Emperors powers somehow? Or are there some sort of anti-blank thing going on there?
Could you mix geeneseeds?
I want that but I do want it to be a successer if possible
You can make them how you want, I’m just letting you know it’s an overplayed idea and it doesn’t really change anything about them
The culture does
Some geneseeds have more effects, WE isn’t one
most traitor marines made these days are made from loyalist seed if i recall their a fairly high rank iron warrior rn thats half iron warrior half imperial fist if im remembering correctly
i wonder if theirs any warbands that try and look for specific seeds trying to make their idea of a perfect splice i reckon bile probably has already done it tho
also bile is able to make basically primaris tier marines now right was that a shared knowledge or only select groups or only he is able to replicate it
They do weaken him in theory, but the Emperor and some other extremely strong Psykers aren't fully suppressed by Blanks and other Pariah
also note blanks and psykers have a power system
to further add to this point
Yes, the Assignment
blanks are more effective on weaker psykers
Compared to someone like the almighty God emperor which is on the top of the psychic scale
Some people don't really agree on the inverted scale for Blank, it's still somewhat nebulous
I see thank you
that's great but that's not what i'm talking about. there's many clueless children and teens in the community.
And also Flashgitz are a bunch of horrible assholes who actively make the internet more toxic!
yes i know i was in highschool when the shitty black templar furry video was popular
Don't forget their hit video
"Racist Mario"
It's just gooner slop with a bit of prejudice
Flashgitz are trash, more news at 11
When they teased the space king shit it seemed like they'd finally put some thought into the parody they're doing and it would be funny thing about 40k but it turned out only the teaser was well thought out and the rest was just the usual uninteresting, unfun trash
the argument was about the gang sign in the video i already know they're morons with a quick twitter search
After watching both space kings i genuinely think that unfortunately people that like it too much don't have right things going for the head
It's like not even that special really
It's literally just all dumb down versions of marines
and you were defending it yesterday
So me just telling where the reference comes from its defending it
defending the joke
Dude i all i was telling is literally that it was from a video i know it's a bad gang sign that you shouldn't use
i literally explained it to mags that space king popularised the gang sign in the warhammer fan base
and you already told mag that it was a gang sign
I understand where you're coming from but you already told the info to mags
At that point i would just be repeating what you said
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I see Lore chat is in top form today.
fortnite literally added the crip walk as an emote and was fine
it's not a big deal at all
you should take cold showers regardless because it's better than hot showers
crip walking is no longer only associated with the crips because it spun off as its own dance style. it's actually called "clown walking" if it's done without the connotations of gang activity. this is very different from a straight up gang sign.
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Weirdest argument ive peeked into this week lol
it's cool knowledge at least. i think it's a cool dance style
We live in a low Wisdom society...nowadays there will always be people who insist on making light of / jokes about inappropriate things just because they can...
Because "my freedoms"
Overall rule of thumb that is very difficult to get right and define well on a socio-political level:
"Just because you could doesn't mean you should."
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a tournament at my lgs is using ai
its a 40k tournament 2s, so id probably not play it
but still
what for
“Man i really want a picture for my tournament. Specifically a RED CHAOS space marine that is standing ontop of skulls,possibly holding some kind of weapon facing the viewer.”
“If only there was some kind of art of that…”
it might be one of the easiest things to find ngl
LMAO
bro
like
i'm sure they can commission an artist to make them one as well
like it's not that hard
like literally this
so say a blood angel aspirant falls out right after the geneseed and is taken in as a chapter surf would they still have the redthirst etc because they were on the path to becoming a blood angel and were nearly there
They wouldn’t get that far
BA aspirants go from aspirant to almost full marine over a year
The ones who're chosen to receive the geneseed get to drink from the big sippy cup and put into a coma and put in the blood coffin for a year
the big sippy cup is a chalice with blood in it
I don't recall what happens to the ones who fail the coffin part, it's probably death
They’ve also tested to see if they’re compatible from
the start
They become the red thirst monsters and are put in that one tower
Or killed if they can’t
This is Martinez right
he's got a freakin doohickey
ye
iv just learned of one of my new favorite things the immaterial college has members from all my favorite legions minus thounsad sons
It’s a very fun wacky out of left field Abnett thing
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also are sons of malice and malal and that nonsense still real
sons of m-halal
Yes
Also it was never Malal
In 40K
yeah malice is his own thing
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yeah basically this
but honestly they may as well have just not even made malice
Like he is so much of a background prop he may as well not be Canon
Well
He’s canon since he shows up
He’s fine for worldbuilding and background stuff
Imo
yeah but you know I wish he pops up more
like if they're gonna make this so called minor god of anarchy they may as well show him around once in a while


what is this 2012?

