40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Especially since there’s carapace armor we see which is very similar

[celest dome]

Could simply have her have bought (or other ways) surplus of them, or have her style the armour that her troops get around the Solar Auxillia

[crystal forum]

hey look at that, you can see the machining of the mould holders on the sprues

so does this mean the mini moulds dont contain the sprues

[sharp pollen]

i dont know much about primarchs, but isnt there the guy call Konrad who cleared his entire planet of crime?

or what is his name

[dusk patrol]

Frank Castle I think

[storm jungle]

Y-

You just said his name

😭

[sharp pollen]

i didnt remember for sure

but did he do it?

i just think its pretty cool

[hexed orchid]

He got them to behave

Until he left

[sharp pollen]

is there a book about it?

how he did all this

and is it good if yes?

[hexed orchid]

Broadcasting horrible torture across the planet

He was the Night Lords primarch lol

Maybe his book might cover it

[opaque coyote]

Y'know I find it funny that Cancer is essentially just the cells basically screaming

"I CAN'T KILL MYSELF!"

[storm jungle]

Konrad Curze, its his primarch book

[opaque coyote]

Konrad Cruze is the same thing

Therefore Konrad is Cancer

[sharp pollen]

is it good?

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Its good enough i think.

[sharp pollen]

alright thanks

[storm jungle]

yeah its just largely kurze being a mopey edgelord

it explains why his legion is the way it is etc

[sharp pollen]

wonder if its possible to read it while listening to linkin park and disturbed on repeat

[storm jungle]

It is, trust me

[raven stone]

Cancer is Nurgle’s new best friend!
Imagine if Nurgle Chaos Spawns are just a massive Cancer blob rolling around…

[raven stone]

Makes me wonder why Criminals are so stubborn in their criminal ways (in both fiction and real life)

[storm jungle]

Its a lot of factors.

Some are desperate, some are just assholes

everyone has their reason for being one

at the end of the day crime is a result of society's laws not meeting the needs of any given member of society; be they physical, psychological, or emotional.

its why even in a utopia people will do seedy shit

[raven stone]

Yea…it’s the stubborn evil assholes that make me think maybe the likes of Jason Todd or Curze has something of a point.
But the issue is that is also a slippery slope because just killing a few of those would just…make people give up on the concept of rehabilitation as a whole for those who could be rehabilitated

[opaque coyote]

For some it is desperation. Whether for survival or some other thing is up to the individual

For others it's literally for fun.

[raven stone]

If it is sadistic fun, yea, they need to meet Jason Todd or Curze, no questions asked.

[opaque coyote]

Mostly, it's just because they don't have any other options. Either a lack of skills, a desperate need for something NOW, or to advance themselves quickly

Humans aren't logical

[raven stone]

True

[crystal forum]

i wonder if i can put a bayonet on a combi bolter

[storm jungle]

Yes.

you can

[storm jungle]

While criminals are not just evil people the amount of Bad™️ criminals very much outweight the ones that do it out of desperation

[crystal forum]

no

[storm jungle]

yes

[arctic talon]

Tabletop wise no

lore wise yes

drip wise

Yes

[storm jungle]

👆

[arctic talon]

The bayonets also didn’t even do anything on those minis

Which is the weirdest thing ever about them

[storm jungle]

to be fair they are pretty old

[arctic talon]

Well

[storm jungle]

so the GW guys probably were like "eh who cares"

[arctic talon]

Even back in 5e

Is what I mean lol

[storm jungle]

yeah thats old

[arctic talon]

When these dudes came out the bayonets did nothing

The new csm terminator minis have bayonets as an optional thing

But they’re cosmetic

[storm jungle]

Also these guys are from 4th edition

so even

OLDER

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being

[storm jungle]

no

point being they SUCK

[arctic talon]

Drip or drown

For the dark gods

Die

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Chaos_Space_Marines

😭

[arctic talon]

I just stabbed a giant flaming octopus covered in oil to death in monster hunter

[storm jungle]

Uh, hot?

[arctic talon]

Also did you know a burning octopus hurts

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I love getting grabbed

This is also the first time they’ve had a cephalopod as an apex predator of a region

[arctic talon]

someday they’ll come back

[storm jungle]

Never.

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[dapper gyro]

Those dreadnoughts look like a monster truck show.

[storm jungle]

I do miss them in appearance at least

GW acting like Helbrutes are the norm is aughh

[arctic talon]

We’ll get rubric dreads again someday

[arctic talon]

10e codex is so wishy washy on chaos dreadnoughts lol

[storm jungle]

to be fair its like

"Yes they exist in lore"

"Anyway helbrutes"

[dapper gyro]

I don't like Helbrute much.

Due to the flesh bits, there is not a lot of room for personalization.

[green loom]

I really like that new kill team

[nocturne crest]

Agreed.

I do wonder if they'll options for armies in the future.

[arctic talon]

They will

[arctic talon]

Lewis Jones is my favorite artist for the imperium tbh

[sacred bluff]

Now i know the name to follow on IG

[crystal forum]

guys there's a slop sale going on

get your slop for low low prices

[sacred bluff]

They lost their edge

[gray umbra]

oh boy i love buying the same game

[sacred bluff]

They were doing good with The Division 1 and For Honor

But they just didn't listen to fans

Now they're finally bringing us an Assassin's Creed set in Japan

And it's too late

we don't need it anymore

AC hasn't been good since Brotherhood tbh

Black Flag has its perks tho

[crystal forum]

revelations was ok but nobody ever mentions it

[sacred bluff]

It was okay cause they kept the multiplayer element

[crystal forum]

i liked the hook blade

[sacred bluff]

They never should have abandonded that

[rose thorn]

isnt that the kit that came with the really cool chaos lord?

[arctic talon]

Nah

[crystal forum]

i have never before seen the price mentioned in a steam description

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

For honor is still prolly ubisofts best live service game

Despite its many many issues

[opaque coyote]

It is also really sad that they fumbled it

[arctic talon]

Not really

I wouldn’t say so at least

[sacred bluff]

FH has lasted the test of time for them

They fricked up with Division 2 by splitting the dark zone

[arctic talon]

The biggest negative with modern for honor is reused animations imo

[opaque coyote]

Well fumbled it in terms of potential. It's still probably the best they've done for maintaining a live servie game.

[arctic talon]

But like

The for honor team is literally given scraps by Ubisoft to work with lol

[opaque coyote]

Like honestly Samurai Vs Viking Vs Knight

[arctic talon]

The fact they can still pump out

[opaque coyote]

Is extremely fucking cool

[arctic talon]

Multiple heros over the course of a year

Is nice

[sacred bluff]

Ubisoft just hasn't been making good decisions

[opaque coyote]

Shows that the team does genuinely love the fucking game they're working on

And shows that even having a good base

[arctic talon]

Downside to playing for honor

[opaque coyote]

is important for keeping a game alive

[arctic talon]

Running into literal Nazis

[opaque coyote]

toxicity

[arctic talon]

Also it’s a fighting game

So all the usual

Issues with playing one of those lol

[opaque coyote]

Either fighting somebody with cat ear headphones and programming socks.

[sacred bluff]

I'm use to it with the 40k community (black templars)

😏

[opaque coyote]

Or somebody siegheiling and doing a ""roman salute""

[arctic talon]

Nah

It’s broader

But also like

[opaque coyote]

Usually both

[arctic talon]

There’s a surprising amount of Nazis

Like

For a game that costs like 40$

[sacred bluff]

i miss conquerer

[arctic talon]

And has perma bans

[sacred bluff]

Rah Rah Rah Rah

[opaque coyote]

I guess because those in that crowd also like

knight shit

[arctic talon]

Vikings and Knights

[opaque coyote]

and tbf knights are pretty fucking cool

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

don't samurai also exist there

that adds the weeaboo nazi's

...

[arctic talon]

Well

[opaque coyote]

can't believe i said that

[arctic talon]

That’s a bit contradictory

But yeah those people exist

[opaque coyote]

seriously though there are a lot of nazi's that like anime

idk why

[sacred bluff]

i was a dirty orochi main with a nasty revenge build on day of launch

literally unkillable

[arctic talon]

Orochi is funny

Lol

All the assassins are

[opaque coyote]

a 3d one at that

[arctic talon]

Oh also they finally released a new assassin

After 10,000 years

[opaque coyote]

people already have problems balancing 2d plane fighting games

[arctic talon]

It’s like very unique

[sacred bluff]

Each time I go back to game, I decide to start over and main new character

[arctic talon]

It’s nothing like other fighting games

[sacred bluff]

last time was Hitokiri

[arctic talon]

But the core concepts apply still

[opaque coyote]

yeah I tried it out and it's kinda like

Dark Souls PvP but if it was actually meant for PvP

Instead of a mixture

[arctic talon]

MONGOLIAN

The helmet is really weird

Everything else is like

Shockingly historically accurate

[opaque coyote]

I do think For Honor 2 would genuinely be the best option.

Or... give the team more than crumbs

[arctic talon]

Besides the mask

[arctic talon]

Nah

It’s fine

For honor just needs more funding imo

[opaque coyote]

so more than crumbs

[arctic talon]

There’s long lasting issues they’ve repeatedly mentioned they want to fix or rework

But they literally aren’t given the budget to do it

[opaque coyote]

So basically a Tf2 Janitor situation

[arctic talon]

Well

TF2 is a case of

The employees literally don’t care

Rather then the corporation not caring

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Also being really old

[arctic talon]

Well

So is DOTA 2

[opaque coyote]

True, but even Dota 2 was on a better place. TF2 was released in 07

[arctic talon]

No offense to the TF2 community

But it’s like

Genuinely atrocious lol

I don’t blame devs for losing interest in dealing with it, like at all lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I don't blame the community also.

Mainly because a community that got like 0 content for so long genuinely starts to go insane

It was normalish when it had consistent update. Like the typical FPS community

[arctic talon]

No

They need to just be normal

Lol

[arctic talon]

Also def not

Toxic positivity hell

Also they were just weird but whatever, that’s normal

[opaque coyote]

Nah that's when OW released

[arctic talon]

Nah

It’s always been that way

Well

[opaque coyote]

God OW fell off so hard

[arctic talon]

Not always

[storm jungle]

The TF2 community deserves to rot and suffer

[arctic talon]

But TF2’s community has almost always been atrocious lol

[opaque coyote]

At least Mei is hot despite being an ice character

[arctic talon]

You say this like most ice based characters in games aren’t hot

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly. Not as much as most.

[arctic talon]

No

I disagree lol

I’d rather chew glass then deal with the toxic positivity and refusal to aknowledge shit

[opaque coyote]

Then again, it might just be a different kind.

[arctic talon]

While also shitting on other things

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^

[opaque coyote]

I'm too used to type where they call me the nword

[storm jungle]

biggest reason I always hated the TF2 fandom

[arctic talon]

And being absurdly toxic

To like

Anyone who dares “leave”

It’s so fucking bad lol

Genuinely I played a lot of TF2

But I enjoyed watching the community go insane over lack of support

Because they fucking deserved it for being such entitled, obnoxious and aggressive assholes

Okay yeah generalizations

Obviously bad but still

[storm jungle]

🤝

[arctic talon]

I would literally take the DOTA2 community and their library of slurs

[storm jungle]

they deserve EVERY kind of ignoring treatment they got from valve

[arctic talon]

Being yelled at me over VC

Every like

13 games

Then deal with a single ounce of tf2 discourse

[sharp pollen]

i watched that 4 hrs essay why tf2 died as a competetive game

pretty much makes sense why

[arctic talon]

Oh also

Toxic casuals

I hate toxic casuals as well

Genuinely tf2 is full of them lol

Alright that’s enough of me bitching about the TF2’s communities flaws

[storm jungle]

I left when like

[arctic talon]

Meet your match was so ass lol

[storm jungle]

the WEEK they added the CSGO weapon skins

i knew where the game was going

and i just had enough and was kinda bored as is

[arctic talon]

Mmmmmmm

[opaque coyote]

Btw CS2 kinda sucks

[arctic talon]

LET THE MONEY HARVEST BEGIN

[arctic talon]

Yeah it does

Anyways

Gamble

Pay money

[storm jungle]

also love how everyone ignores it when valve does it

because they did it en-masse first

[arctic talon]

Valve is literally why lootboxes

And battle passes exist

Lol

They were ahead of everyone else with that shit

It’s crazy

[sharp pollen]

valve situation is insane

[arctic talon]

Dota 2 battle pass was way less refined then Fortnite’s

But it had it first

And it was also way more exploitive lol

[opaque coyote]

Valve, for better or worse, is ahead of their time in a lot of things.

[arctic talon]

I want to join valves

Money optimization branch

Because that info would be fascinating lol

[opaque coyote]

Valve has the rare privledge of having their employees actually work on what they want.

Which is both the best and worst part of Valve

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It’s the best for the employees

[sharp pollen]

btw isnt there the new HL coming up

[arctic talon]

Genuinely dream workplace environment

For programmers lol

[sharp pollen]

THE LEAAAAKS GUUUYS

[arctic talon]

Yes

Pretty much all but confirmed to be half-life 3

[storm jungle]

We got some in public view.

Theres that one meeting they did for CSGO

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[storm jungle]

and like

[sharp pollen]

glad i can not give a fuck about all these tf2 and mobas and just wait for the actually good game

[arctic talon]

But it’s not enough

[storm jungle]

they fucking guessed

playable operators

[arctic talon]

Oh btw

[storm jungle]

in 2009

[arctic talon]

Do you know

How they got around

The EU anti gambling laws for CSGO cases

It’s so comically evil

They started selling a thing for 5$

That let you preview the drop from a case

And the case was then locked as the only case you could open. Therfore it was no longer gambling as the option is predetermined

Valve are truly genius’s to squeezing every last drop of money out of people

[rose thorn]

LMAO WHAT

[opaque coyote]

The only reason why Valve is still around is because they're actually smart about it

Vs most companies where they're just like

[arctic talon]

They also changed how

[opaque coyote]

"BUY NOW"

[arctic talon]

The seeding worked for cases

So that all cases had preset drops

But you don’t know

So get fucked

[rose thorn]

woudlnt the key be cheaper?

or is it for scanning rare chests then reselling the chest

[arctic talon]

Valve when it comes to exploiting children

[arctic talon]

Yes that’s the point

Lol

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

Also the fact that despite the fact that technically most digital libraries have us """borrow""" the product we bought.

Steam actually has trust that you'll keep it

[arctic talon]

No scanning is worthless

[storm jungle]

Remember

[arctic talon]

It does nothing

[storm jungle]

they have literal business courses

[arctic talon]

It’s just to deal with Belgiums and EU gambling laws

[storm jungle]

for this kind of shit in valve

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-radioactive-man-ny-eyes-goggles-do-nothing-gif-12845538

[storm jungle]

i highly recommend people to watch their CSGO one

[arctic talon]

You can’t skip

The case

That you’ve used the item on

[opaque coyote]

It's genuinely fascinating.

[storm jungle]

again

[rose thorn]

what

[arctic talon]

YOU MUST

[storm jungle]

they predicted

[arctic talon]

Open it next

Lol

[storm jungle]

like

online shooter playable operators

IN 2009

[arctic talon]

TF2 moment

[storm jungle]

but they deemed it as uh

"its not profitiable, its why we do lootboxes"

[arctic talon]

Not easy enough to make money

[rose thorn]

you

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

yeah it was on a piechart

[rose thorn]

what

i dotn understand

[storm jungle]

yep

[opaque coyote]

It's genuinely fascinating how ahead of their time they are like... a lot of the times

[rose thorn]

its jsut an expensive key

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

Both for business and games

[rose thorn]

its just a more expensive key

[arctic talon]

It’s not even a key

Lol

That’s the best part

It exists entirely to exploit EU gambling laws

You can’t buy it unless you live in Belgium

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

Like Half Life 2 is basically technological wizardry

[arctic talon]

There is 0 way that it’s benifical to the player

[opaque coyote]

I have no idea how they made the game look so good in 2004

[arctic talon]

If anything it’s better for valve

Since they can make more money

Off of dumb kids

Because no sane person buying case keys

Or cases is going to touch it

[opaque coyote]

Let's GO GAMBLING

Seriously though I think CS2 has been like the only situation where Valve kinda fumbled a game.

That and... Artifact

But nobody remembers that for good reaosn

[arctic talon]

Artifact was

[dusky scroll]

The mechanicus works, how well are their technical knowledge?
How much is it knowing how the machines work and how much is it guesswork, prayer, and just plain operating knowledge?

Like, I know how to operate a PC and even make minor maintenance and can figure out which part malfunctioning if something goes wrong.

[arctic talon]

Valve thinking digital card gamers

Would be willing to pay the same prices as people who play physical tcgs

They were wrong

LOL

[opaque coyote]

I think it was them being out of touch for once and getting a wake up call

[arctic talon]

At a basic level the mechanicus knows how a lot of their tech works

[opaque coyote]

And unlike most companies they didn't fucking double down like a dumbass

[storm jungle]

As ever it entirely depends on the techpriest.

[arctic talon]

But it’s always ritualistic

To an extent

[storm jungle]

Some are actually smart, some are arrogant as hell, some cant manage it for shit

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

It’s like irl people

Lol

[storm jungle]

its loose to kinda show the Imperium is as ever incompetent af

[storm jungle]

YEP

[arctic talon]

Doctrinally you should know

How it works

[opaque coyote]

Also depends on the area they're in.

[storm jungle]

like when you say IRL, my friend ran a game where like

a techpriest got kicked out from his forge-temple

[opaque coyote]

Like a Biologis probably would know less on how to do maintenance on a Titan

[storm jungle]

but the problem is

he was legit skilled at his job

so before his "last day"

[arctic talon]

Oh boy

[storm jungle]

he sabotaged his entire workstation and in turn caused a massive production fuckup in the forge-temple

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

sound familiar?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Never fuck over IT guys

[arctic talon]

People Do this irl

It’s so funny

[storm jungle]

And I DO NOT blame them

"why are we paying you"

"You tell me :)"

[opaque coyote]

Honestly. The Omnissiah shall bless that Tech Priest ongod

[arctic talon]

Cawls understanding of stuff is still ritualistic

Tbh

[dusky scroll]

Like, can they craft solutions to problems with machines that are not initially designed do that?
Can they innovate (except Cawl)?

[arctic talon]

All tech priests approach science from that

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

As ever

it depends.

[arctic talon]

And yeah that

Lol

[opaque coyote]

But he at least tries to do something outside of that

[storm jungle]

^ lmao

Like

[arctic talon]

I mean a lot of priests do

Tbh

[storm jungle]

you need to realise 40k is made to be flexible as shit for the sake of homebrew

[arctic talon]

It just varies

[storm jungle]

techpriests are one of THE MOST morally and ideologically fractured factions in the Imperium

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but he has the power, resources, and time to succeed on it

[storm jungle]

for any kind of techmonk aspect you can think of

theres techpriests that follow the opposite of that creed

[arctic talon]

Yeah the mechanicus is

Comically fractured and diverse

[dusky scroll]

Dark Mechanicum?

[arctic talon]

Even by GW standards

[arctic talon]

Those are just heresy era traitors

Who’ve fallen completely to chaos

[opaque coyote]

Qualifications for being a Tech Priest:

• Knowledge in your scientific field (optional)
• Worship Omnissiah
• Be as unagreeable and anti-social as possible

[storm jungle]

No people inside the mechanicum

Oh theres techpriests that love metal a lot right?

then you got a sect who loves biological stuff

etc

[dapper gyro]

Willing to sacrifice the flesh.

[arctic talon]

You forgot exhibit signs of intelligence(actual intelligence not required)

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's similar to how actual religions like Christianity have different denominations and beliefs.

They all technically worship God, but how and what happened inbetween God making shit and now depends on the denomination and individual

Same with Tech Priests

[dusky scroll]

I wonder how their love life works... I mean, at the end of the day, they probably need to make babies to populate, right?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[opaque coyote]

Test tube babies

[storm jungle]

some techpriests can legit marry and have kids the normal way

some just vatgrow them

again it depends

[opaque coyote]

Although some tech priests do fuck around

You will truly know how weak your flesh is when you date a tech priest...

[dusky scroll]

Like, the printer is broken and priest goes to fix it but the owner can't pay with money?

[rose thorn]

salutations, what plastic based fanfictions are we writing on this day

[opaque coyote]

In that case, the owner gets servitorized

And the holy printer gets lubricated

...only to malfunction because despite wanting to print black and white, it requires magenta

(actually happened to me)

[arctic talon]

Tech priest usually don’t deal with money

Funnily enough

[opaque coyote]

((I was the owner-))

[rose thorn]

dont they pay each other with knowledge

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't most of the Imperium generally do barter

[rose thorn]

do they still do that 'find all knowledge ever' thing

[arctic talon]

Knowledge, raw resources, labor

[rose thorn]

slaves!!

[arctic talon]

Yes, the quest for knowledge

[opaque coyote]

It is the Imperium after all

[rose thorn]

wonderful!

i think tryanids are the only faction in 40k who deosnt use slave labor

mayeb votaan

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-meme-gif-8854417055736431856

[opaque coyote]

Although as a genuine question.

The Noosphere is basically just a chat room. It's not like Cyberspace shit similar to Cyberpunk @arctic talon

[dusky scroll]

How involved are they with the rest of the imperium? I know every planet more or less depends on them to operate and maintain high tech stuffs and military equipment.

But the day to stuff, do people of Imperium learn engineering, science, biotechnology etc. without Mechanicus involvement?

[arctic talon]

its like a chat room/hivemind thing

[arctic talon]

yes

[storm jungle]

Literally every strata of the Imperium has techpriests

[rose thorn]

oh the noosphere is real?

[arctic talon]

Though the knowledge usually ultimately comes from a mechanicus source

it does get passed down

[rose thorn]

whoops

[arctic talon]

stuff like Tech guilds, and other scientific things exist

[opaque coyote]

Cause honestly I have had the idea of the Noosphere kinda being similar to like a VRchat thing. Basically having Tech Priests communicate to each other in a digital room

[arctic talon]

tbh

it could be

the noosphere is just pretty much a glorified chat room

hivemind hybrid

[arctic talon]

its not real IRL

[rose thorn]

i meant in the admehc

i though ti twas just a concept

[arctic talon]

oh

[rose thorn]

like a religious concept

[arctic talon]

yeah no its everywhere for the Nerds mechanicus

[opaque coyote]

Yeah generally kinda imagining it is similar to a mini cyberspace of sorts.

Which is also why they find talking to meatbags slow. Because they could probably communicate with new and strange manners in the Noosphere

[rose thorn]

oh so its a literal thing that exists

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[rose thorn]

whoops

[arctic talon]

its like discord/a hive mind/imageboard/chatroom

its interesting

[opaque coyote]

The Mechanicus is pretty cool.

Y'know minus the dogmatic religious culture, cutthroat competition, and the fact that any small violation will get you lobotomized

And the fact that there is little upward momentum in their society

So all the jobs are basically dead ends

...

So basically equivalent to working at Tesla, Amazon, or Meta

[autumn cypress]

Krieg trench raiders have power mauls and shotguns aye?

[opaque coyote]

You ever wonder if there's a tech priest that really wants their meatbag friend to just throw away their flesh and join them

Or whatever

[dusky scroll]

Another 40K tech question I have-

STCs can basically make whatever you want in best quality as long as you have the blueprint and materials, right?

So how does this material dumping works? Do you give raw materials like iron, glass, plastic or more derived products like screws, lenses, and sheets?

Also, what if the material does not perfectly match with the requirement? Do you get low quality product or the machine refuses to work with it?

[opaque coyote]

STCs are basically AI. You dump shit in, you get what you want. You can ask said AI to improvise probably if you are missing a certain material. Really convenient.

STC Fragments are blueprints.

Also used to be part of the STC but that's obvious

[dusky scroll]

Like when making Lasgun with it, if I run out of steel sheets, I can ask it to make do with wood?

[opaque coyote]

If you had an actual full STC?

Yes

[dusky scroll]

Also, STC fragments are blueprints? Like machine parts?

[opaque coyote]

Results may vary though

[storm jungle]

They can be anything

A small machine part, a huge factory sized printer, a medium sized boxy device etc

STCs essentially exist to be mcguffins to be used in 40k books

so they are super interchangable in appearance

[dusky scroll]

So, Standard template construct isn't very standardized, is it!

[opaque coyote]

STC Fragments can basically be blueprints for anything.

[storm jungle]

Well once it was lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf they were. Where do you think most of the patterns came from.

[storm jungle]

now its fragmented because humanity sucks

TLDR etc

[opaque coyote]

The problem is that they're kinda fucking gone

Either destroyed because AI

Malfunctioned due to age

Or simply just disappeared like your pencil during a test

Necromunda does actually still have a fully working one. But they keep it secret because if anybody finds out... Necromunda is gonna be a target for a huge war

Basically

Snitches get stitches

[dusky scroll]

Now in 40K, humanity kinda' fears innovation and progress, considering it dangerous and/or heretical.

How was it back in 30K, when Emperor didn't need a wheelchair without wheels?

[storm jungle]

Still bad.

Its ımportant to remember 30k Imperium is basically no different from the 40k Imperium.

They just didnt worship religion (minus Mars because hypocrites) and had alot more armadas, legions and warmachines.

[dusky scroll]

House Van Saar? Their STC is a fully functioning one?

[storm jungle]

90% or so

[opaque coyote]

It's just that unlike 40k, there was a sense of hope that maybe things can get better.

[storm jungle]

its working but leaking radiation

[opaque coyote]

Nothing like a little bit of radiation to spice up the day

[dusky scroll]

In a world with Nurgle plagues, radiation probably isn't the biggest concern.

I didn't know it was a fully functioning one.

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Theres no Nurgle plagues on Necromunda.

[dusky scroll]

That'd mean they can literally produce whatever they want.

[storm jungle]

Radiation is a big concern because it literally affects almost every member of House Van Saar.

and they are dependant on their STC

[opaque coyote]

Yes but they can't go haywire because again.

...Necromunda would probably be subject to a major war

[storm jungle]

They cant or it will draw too much attention.

Van Saar just gets by through a lot of measures.

[opaque coyote]

Also would probably cause a lot of infighting in the Mechanicus

[scenic bolt]

mechanicus are the fantasy battle dwarves minus the book memes

[opaque coyote]

Like much more than usual

[opaque coyote]

It's replaced with a digital list instead

Also they can grow more than 4 feet

[scenic bolt]

and I mean that literally cause thats what the squats were to the imperium in 1st ed until they replaced them with mechanicus

[opaque coyote]

Honestly probably the best choice

[scenic bolt]

thats why it stuck, it was more interesting to explore a then new faction rather than do dwarfs in space

[opaque coyote]

Leagues of Votaan are also good as well

[dusky scroll]

It's weird that they (Van Saar peeps) "manufactures" the best quality weapons for export without drawing mechanicus curiosity. I mean, at least the "production method" should be something to study on.

[opaque coyote]

Dwarves in Space and a new faction

Yippee

[storm jungle]

Its because they outright see the production.

They are smart enough to make the stuff they produce not be literal super sci-fi gear.

it just looks fancy and preen.

[opaque coyote]

There's also a lot of variance in technology

Some patterns are better than others

Basically, every supply box might as well be a loot box

[dusky scroll]

yeah yeah, you can't wear fancy clothes, puke a little more than usual, and maybe need some blood transfusions because your body forgot how to make blood cells. But other dangers are way worse in 40K-verse.

[opaque coyote]

Your Lasgun could be a pattern from some well known forge world

Or some random flashlight tied together by some random ganger

[storm jungle]

Yeah but this isnt about other dangers in 40k, this is their entire way of life the moment you become a part of House Van Saar.

Radiation is also like fucking terrible

[opaque coyote]

... probably not that extreme but you get the point

[storm jungle]

you can watch Chernobyl to know

[opaque coyote]

"Oh boy I am suddenly feeling bet-"

Beeeeeeee-

Seriously it's like a cruel joke from the universe

If you suddenly feel much better after being racked with any kind of sickness

It's a good chance that just means your body's giving up

[dusky scroll]

I watched demon core...

[storm jungle]

[dusky scroll]

I think it's called "Terminal lucidity"

[opaque coyote]

That's specific to dementia

[dusky scroll]

It's still a pretty controversial thing in medical field afaik.

Afaik there is chaos cultists in Necromunda @storm jungle

If it's not nurgle, what are they?

[storm jungle]

Khorne.

Corpsegrinder Cults

people who have gone insane from well... their job, grinding corpses for corpsestarch.

They are a "famous" local thing but Helmawr the governor has gone to great lenghts along with enforcer support to push down their existence.

[sharp pollen]

goofy ahh chain axe

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

How tf u know all this Necromunda shit

[dapper gyro]

She is a servant of tzeentch with access to the internet.

[storm jungle]

True.

[storm jungle]

But also serious answer:

• Munda has gotten a shit ton of revamped lore post-2018 and is probably the best sub-setting in 40k for me.
• Its rulebooks got a shit ton of lore and narrative stuff that actually matters and is pretty peak thus making it a fun read.

[lament shoal]

The imperial fists recruit from necromunda right?

Or was that a different chapter

[dapper gyro]

Some of their recruits, yes.

[lament shoal]

Ty

[dusk patrol]

They have a lot of worlds they recruits from as well

Terra, Necromunda, Inwit and others

[green loom]

Where lore

[sly ivy]

Where necro novels

[nocturne crest]

I wonder how the new khorne worshippers on the block managed to get their new legs.

[storm jungle]

On the black library site dummy!

[queen laurel]

probably through scavenging

plenty of scrap thrown around in some worlds

[green loom]

Man I love Necromunda, any other necrophiles?

[queen laurel]

and one of them or they hired another mechanic to make them the legs and attach it to them

[nocturne crest]

Makes sense. They could also probably just take normal robot limbs and just modify.

[queen laurel]

AI is bad in the imperium but I can see them scrapping some servitor for modification

but most of it is definitely from some random scrap heap

[nocturne crest]

Yeah.

So we'll probably get a tzeentch or Slaanesh unique kill team in the future, seeing how we have one for Khrone and Nurgle.

[lament shoal]

Oh wait, you meant a different kind of necrophile...

[green loom]

Yeah you know like a Necromunda fan?

[lament shoal]

Yeah lol I was making a necron joke

[queen laurel]

[nocturne crest]

Actually, does that kill team that put out to fight against the rogue trader count as a nurgle thing or it just chaos in general?

[sly ivy]

But are there any good ones

[green loom]

I think they're their own thing

[lament shoal]

How common is it for successor chapters to use entirely different battle tactics compared to that of their parent chapters? I wanna make a homebrew Salamanders successor but my ideas for their fighting style differ from that of the Salamanders by a lot in some regards

[green loom]

Extremely

Like borderline expected

[lament shoal]

Sweet, thank you!

[green loom]

You can do whatever more or less

Including just being copy paste with different colours

[green loom]

Who is more likely to have just literally been Hitler

Emps or Malcador

[queen laurel]

Emps

[sour hornet]

idira just summoned a fucking bloodletter in the middle of my fight

im balls deep in chaos spawn rn I cannot handle this

im gonna kms

[queen laurel]

psyker moments

[sharp pollen]

i want Dilara to pin this message

unironically

[queen laurel]

oh yeah speaking of have gotten i got a look at the perks and stuff now that you know to scroll

[sour hornet]

yeah, I'm rolling melee pyro so far

sucks balls

I knocked myself out with my own force sword somehow

I don't even know how that's fucking possible

[queen laurel]

if you're going melee psyker USE BIOMANCY YOU SILLY RUNT

[sour hornet]

wait what

[queen laurel]

biomnacy spell iron arm

and the rest

[half gazelle]

Interesting

I shall become rat instead

[sour hornet]

I'm fighting a fucking chaos marine ☠️

[queen laurel]

Good luck that guy can eat a good amount of damage

[sour hornet]

that's it

rykad minoris is cooked

I feel like a shitbag but I gotta nuke the place

[sour hornet]

yeah it took about 5 seconds for me to learn why it's bad to have my guys arranged in a line 💀

[queen laurel]

Yeah make sure you can make abelard eat the damage

[sour hornet]

most horrifically funny shit to see him kick abelard on his ass and gun down argenta and kibellah in one turn

[grim bolt]

Is this a good place to share the Homeworld lore of a HB Space marine chapter I made???

[sour hornet]

the most "I'm cooked" feeling ran through me, it was so funny

[grim bolt]

I got a thumbs up

the autism shall begin :)

Imperial Records

Planetary Records

Khorvusia

Planetary Type: Paradise/Agri-world

Status: Little to no threats, safe.

Khorvusia is a massive planet found in the fringes of the milky way. Roughly 22 times the diameter of Holy terra, the planet is known for its massive forests and deep oceans. It is home to a large population of humans who all show devotion to the god emperor in a unique manner.

The creation myth told by the natives of khorvusia claim that it was once a gravity dense barren rock before the emperor arrived, dragged a chained sun to the system, igniting life to the planet and loosening the gravity upon it, and from their, they claim he brought all sorts of life to the world, causing it to sprout with trees that reach up to the heavens, and filling the deep trenches with life sustaining water.

In addition to the human population, their is a inquistion allowed Xeno species, simply known as 'Sentinels.'
These Xenos species are limited in intelligence and are large plant like beings known to produce a variety of plants upon their backs. these plants are used in both food and medicine. They also have a calming effect on the warp in a small area around them, a bi product of the planets strange nature.

Khorvusia is home to a few anomalies. Firstly is that it is dim, even to trained navigators, causing ship travel to Khorvusia via the warp to be increasingly hard, and makes it hard for attacks from the warp to threaten the planet, as even with the galaxy splitting apart, Khorvusia and its citizens are unaffected.
Secondly, Psykers born on Khorvusia are more stable then other psykers, at the cost of more limited psykic might.

Due to the Khorvusia Psykers Agreement, the black ships are strictly forbidden from taking psykers from Khorvusia. In exchange, Korvusia will prodice more medical supplies, food stocks and three separate regiments of Imperial guardsman as part of its imperial tithe.

The three regiments of Khorvusia are

Khorvusia Druid Corp
The druid corp is a psyker based regiment, with the most stable and trained psykers of khorvusia joining to lend medical magics and more organic warp attacks in aid to other regiments of imperial guardsman

Khorvusia Arbor Scouts
A highly trained regiment, the men and women of the Arbor Scouts are trained to travel across all different forms of terrain, remain unseen and gather as much intel as possible. Many prefer the usage of high powered bows rather then standard arms making members of the Arbor Scouts stand out among other regiments

Khorvusia Sky rippers
Trained pilots, these soliders train to fly through thick jungles and forest, using this training to rapidly go through dense areas and high fire skies to deliver supplies or provide aerial fire power.

[queen laurel]

Well he's a chaos marine what do you expect

[dusk patrol]

Damn we got a John Cena heel turn before GTA VI

[grim bolt]

The largest settlement of Khorvusia is a 'hive' city called heavens reach.

A massive settlement build in and around a tree dated to be 45 million years olds.

Millions of people live in the tree and its branches reach into the atmosphere, allowing for space faring ships to dock within structures meant to house those passing by.

The current Planetary governor, Lady Alendia, is noted to be a kind women, working with the imperium to ensure that her people are provided for and that the tithes needed to be paid are paid on time, and with the proper ammount.

Khorvusians are noted to be generally happier then most imperial citizens, given the luxuries they are afforded due to the planets safety from threats and its bountiful harvests prodiving food, clean air and general pleasantness for all

:)

[lament shoal]

What was The Emperor doing between 1939 and 1945? 🤨

[green loom]

He was probably literally Hitler

[lament shoal]

Tbh he was probably Judas too lmfao

[dusk patrol]

Malcador wasn’t alive then I don’t think

Emperor who knows, he doesn’t seem to take that many big roles tbh, Alexander is probably the biggest

[lament shoal]

Personally I don't think Big E was Hitler though since it Hitler's ideologies contradicted that of the Emp's to unite ALL of humanity

[green loom]

My only thing is that they wouldn't really be in a spot to negotiate anything (since ykno awful totalitarian empire but ignoring this for some nice stuff is fair enough) and their Flyers wouldn't be a regiment(barring like the one example with the Phantine Sky Corps I think but that's weird all over)

[green loom]

I mean he has a notable goal of restoring the purity of man so I wouldn't be shocked if that would start lining back up REAL quick

Although with how manipulative he probably is he likely would've just done that regardless

[opaque coyote]

You know I'm kinda disappointed that Khorne doesn't put more of a focus in machinery.

I get why, close and personal is the best way to get blood.

But developing new technologies and methods to murder each other might as well be as old as War itself.

Weapons and machines made to end war usually only continues it.

[misty vector]

If only they could bleed too

[lament shoal]

We got the iron warriors for that lol. Plus Khorne gets his fill of blood from all the constant war raging through the galaxy. He's not solely dependent on his followers for that.

[green loom]

Technically nothing stops you or them

Debatably they get up to some wacky shit

What with those cannons in total Warhammer

The skull grinder

Crushers

Or wait

What's that thing called

The Lord of Skulls

My bad

You've also got Brass Scorpions

[opaque coyote]

Metal

Is it like the Skull Grinder weapon in Doom: The Dark Ages

[lament shoal]

Was literally getting this pic to bring that mf up lol

[green loom]

No I mixed up that and Lord of Skulls

Although Skull Grinders are a unit for Khorne in AoS

[opaque coyote]

mf literally attached himself to tank treads

[lament shoal]

Let it be known that the Imperial Knight from Warhammer Freeblade casually dunks on these things like they're nothing

[green loom]

Calgar kills one in that one coco

*comic

[lament shoal]

Of course he does, he's an ultramarine, and a named one at that. Those mfs got the plot armor of Ciaphas Cain

[opaque coyote]

This goes hard

[raven stone]

Morning chat

[pine wedge]

The cock cannon lmaooo

[opaque coyote]

KHORNE DOES NOT CARE WHERE THE BLOOD CUMS FROM.

[plush mason]

why

[late osprey]

what gun is this?

its like a weird hybrid between HBolter and Autocannon

[plush mason]

heavy stubber

literally just a 50 cal HMG

[shadow plover]

to me it just looks like a heavy bolter with an extended barrel

[spring cairn]

It is I think

[median star]

me thinks bolter

also so when the sacrifice psyker to the emperor every day and all how do they know the souls are like actually going to him

[arctic talon]

They have a horrific machine that literally tears the souls out of people

So that’s how

[median star]

yea but like is it got a tube going straight into big e what if it leaks

[arctic talon]

It’s connected to the emperor somehow

I’d assume they check the connection regularly

[median star]

sure you can rip someones soul out but how do they guarantee it gets to where theyre trying to put it

[arctic talon]

They pipe it through somehow

[queen laurel]

yeah they don't have schematic of how it get's their

[arctic talon]

Well

They do

We don’t

[queen laurel]

also wolf is warcry aos but smaller scale

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-van-der-linde-red-dead-redemption-gif-22961531

[median star]

and whos idea was it originally to start pumping souls and how long did it take before they started doing it

[vagrant fox]

Just a heavy bolter with a weird barrel

[arctic talon]

Happened during the heresy when they needed the emperor off the throne

So uh

Didn’t take very long lol

[median star]

so they were pumping the golde throne w souls regardless of if big e was on it and just kinda kept on doing thinking sure why not cant hurt

[arctic talon]

Well

It’s necessary now to empower the emperor

As far as the imperium is concerned

[median star]

yea but like they didnt know that off the rip id assume but eventually were like damn this is actually kind of working keep doing it

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Sorta like Killteam

[green loom]

Methinks they eventually, probably, got some crazed vision about how to do it and it was quickly done

[storm jungle]

The Emperor is the sort of guy to call Hitler foolish for being a nazi while "respecting his ideals"

[celest dome]

Foolish for having lost, he wouldn't care about him being a Nazi imo

[storm jungle]

LOL

to be fair

same guy that said "I know im right"

also has the entire "they stabbed us in the back and should all die" thing

[restive zodiac]

Isn’t it just a giant muzzle brake?

[shadow plover]

Tried getting back to the Imperium in Rogue Trader, that was fun

[storm jungle]

[shadow plover]

The writing and the images in that section were great

[storm jungle]

yeah its a really good bit

[queen laurel]

can i see what your Trader looks like

[queen laurel]

damn he looking fresh

[storm jungle]

homie got the finest psyker gear

[shadow plover]

ballin

literally cannot change the headgear or I will lose the eye augmetic, ruining my style

[queen laurel]

do you have a picture of your trader dils

[storm jungle]

Uhhh no i took a break from the game for a bit

[queen laurel]

probably looks like your old PFP

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

here's mine since you gave me yours

yeah it's straight up just a warrior priest from warhammer fantasy

[shadow plover]

that's some wild looking gear

[queen laurel]

yeah that power armor ain't that easy to get

[shadow plover]

I've not even really seen anything unique looking gear yet

[queen laurel]

i'm not gonna spoil you how to get the gear of course because discovery is part of the fun, just know that when it comes to guides online this game is abysmal

[shadow plover]

ah yeah, I've intentionally avoided any guides thus far anyways

[rocky gale]

We posting our RT's?

[shadow plover]

Went to Rogue Trader wiki to read something about a interesting place after I finished it and it truly is a shit show of a wiki

[true sparrow]

question

[shadow plover]

half the information is missing and the other half is wrong

[true sparrow]

theres no offical grynix models right

[queen laurel]

when i tell you the online info is abysmal, it is ABYSMAL

[celest dome]

The Eldar have 2 models with one visible iirc.
The Ynarri leader

[true sparrow]

where can i buy him

[shadow plover]

Like I just got to the Bottomless Pit ||conquered it and got the Champion of Abyss talent||, the wiki then gives pretty much the opposite instructions to do what I did for it and doesn't even tell what the reward does

[rose thorn]

He’s also in the underhive traders box btw

One of the guys are holding a cat

Never mind

It’s chillin by his feet

[celest dome]

What's the name of the Esher cat again ?

[rose thorn]

Oh the rats?

Or the

OH THE OTHER CATS

[queen laurel]

PhyrrCats

[celest dome]

Aren't there another ? From the Esher Wyld Runner set

[rose thorn]

Phyrr

[queen laurel]

Phelynx

[rose thorn]

Beat me to it

[queen laurel]

and the final one Escherkhymerix

[rose thorn]

I have no clue their lore tbh

[queen laurel]

Which looks like something I coughed up after mashing together multiple creature dna

[rose thorn]

But I don’t think they are native to necromunda

The alligators aren’t native to necromunda

[queen laurel]

that's the lore for them for the Phelynx

they seem to be just found around Necromunda

[rose thorn]

Oh they are from phyrr

[rocky gale]

and Late game version

[queen laurel]

ah yes, Drip, and uses a plasma and melta pistol

[rocky gale]

Only the finest for the noble Lord Captain Dysnomia Atropos Melinoë Moirai Von Valencius

[rose thorn]

I keep refreshing the warhammer community page praying for a reveal

[shadow plover]

Doubt we'll get anything else but the upcoming pre-order announcements?

[rose thorn]

Probs

[shadow plover]

Sundays are often pretty slow with the news

[rose thorn]

They did reveal killteams yesterdsy

Which is weird day to reveal it

They usually don’t do big reveals on the weekends

[queen laurel]

and it knocked out like

5 Rumour engines

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah the talons

[queen laurel]

the harpoon

[rose thorn]

Yeh

[queen laurel]

the wings

[rose thorn]

And I think a Cupid?

The wings?

[queen laurel]

yeah and also

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha

[rose thorn]

Why does the Cupid have a goatee

[rocky gale]

Only reveal for today will be what's going on preorder next Saturday

[rose thorn]

Idk what I want

Oh skeletons are next

For AOS

[rose thorn]

Disciples of Tzeentch

sorry i couldnt tell if it was spelt right unless it was in this font

[crystal forum]

they're really trying to use a different word to describe fire

on every fire related model

phlogistonator

fun fact, phlogiston was a theoretical element that was though to exist in all combustible matter, so wood would have a lot of it and concrete very little

that was before we understood the chemical reactions of combustion

[crystal forum]

man i didn't realize the SM2 cadian heavy bolter was mostly modelled on the older tabletop version. that's weird

i thought the scope was a creation of the game

newer version doesn't have it

and it looks so much more mobile

mmmmh heavy weapons 😋

[tough haven]

Lore accurate CSM

The sniper is the real threat in that fight tbh

[hallow saddle]

malcador was goebbels

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

god

[celest dome]

It's fair to say

[grim bolt]

Somee more for my HB chapter the Verdant Guard

'We pay for a hidden betrayal, unknown to those outside our chapter. They all beleive we are of ravenguard, we are of something worse.'

• Chapter Master Gerlin

The verdant guard, to the wider imperiums origins is that of a Raven Guard successor. In truth, they were originally made up of loyalist death guard members, who had been away when the heresy started, and upon hearing it, changed their name and colors to no longer associate with their traitorous brother.

The Verdant guard wear the colors of Forest Green to represent life, white to represent purity and gold to represent a gilded sacred beauty. Their chapter symbol is a blooming rose blossom upon a sword hilt.

As a chapter, the verdant guard is rather small, often serving as a supportive chapter to their brothers as opposed to their own fighting force. Highly trained in ranged combat and medical services, they do not delight in melee combat, as they known it is riskier then ranged combat largely, and they do not have the numbers to sustain such conflicts. They also have a larger number of librarians then most chapters, and many librarians are trained in the three forms of magic within the verdant guard, druidic, terra, and hydro, while also being trained in healing magics.

The chapter has a large number of apothecaries, and said apothecaries are well trained in all aspects, masterfully tending to wounds of both men and astartes. Many also have training in Xenos biology. With all their apothecaries, they have also begun to delve into the manipulation of their geneseed in secret, to create more for themselves so they are no limited to a suffocatingly small number of marines. This has caused some mutations and drastic changes.

• Rapid Regeneration: The verdant guard are known for their hardiness, with even missing limbs being able to regrow back partially for more major injuries or fully for partial removals.

• Warp resistance: The members of the verdant guard possess a natural resistance to warp influence, due to the impact of their native home of Khorvusia. While not making them immune to warp attacks, they are immune to things like warp born diseases from their mortal foes, the death guard and nurgle.

The Verdant guard are partially nomadic in their fleets, travelling across the milky way, stopping by imperial worlds to resupply, provide medical and botanical aid to imperial citizens and to reconnect with the humans of the imperium.

To the verdant guard, the most sacred treasure of the imperium is not honor, duty, or any thing of that. The lives of the men and women of the imperium are their most treasured possession. To them, if they died to allow evac ships to safety bring imperial citizens away from the horrors of the enemy, they have died in a just manner. To humans who have met the verdant guard, they are known for their tenderness, kindness and willingness to listen. Often arriving to aid imperial guard regiments, the verdant guard treat wounded soldiers with the respect they would treat another injured astartes.

Due to their humanity, the Verdant guard have grown quite close to the Salamanders and Ravenguard, while having a special disdain for the Iron hands. They remain largely neutral with the other loyal legions.

FInally, the Verdant guard have shown a willingness to work with Xenos, more often then other chapters if it means they are allowed to deal with chaos or tyrannids for effectively. Notably, members of the verdant guard are often taught to speak the Eldari and Tau Languages, to properly communicate to those xenos species. This aspect is often hidden from other chapters and the inquisition.

In regards to the inquisition, the verdant guard are rather hard to work with, often disregarding direct orders if it means the death of civilians to an extreme level. A Notable event was when Chapter Master gerlin nearly crushed the skull of an Inquisitorial officer for demanding he send his soldiers in a full frontal assault that would lead to the deaths of a significant human population within a city.

@midnight ledge

here is some stuff for the chapter I talked to you about when we were playing together

[crystal forum]

are these guys renegades

former death guard who are ok with the warp while also negotiating with xenos and assaulting inquisitors

[midnight ledge]

Imma have a read of this after I’ve made my food.

[crystal forum]

oh and modifying gene seed

all of which would be enough to be declared traitoris

[grim bolt]

Their origins of being death guard are hidden, to the inquisition, they are simply a raven guard successor.
As for negotiating, its more akin to 'we will tolerate you now purely because we really fucking hate chaos'
The modifying their geneseed is a well kept secret, similar to the rage for the blood angels.
And assaulting the inquisitors, that was a heat of the moment for the chapter master, he did accept punishment afterwards for his actions.

[raven stone]

Goblin takeover next week.

[crystal forum]

that's a lot of vital secrets for a chapter to have. even dark angels are less shady than that

[grim bolt]

Yeah, they do keep a lot of secrets about their origins. and I mean, thats two secrets?

If I had the confidence and writing skills, I might have made them loyalist leaning renegades but I would probably do it poorly

[crystal forum]

being ex death guard is already a huge thing for the chapter. usually that's only hinted for chapters, rarely outright stated

[grim bolt]

yeah, I wanted to make an interesting idea of 'what would happen to like, loyalist marines of a heresy chapter that had been away during the conflict'

[raven stone]

Instead of alienating the Inquisition, I would lean towards being the Xenos version of the Exorcist
And say your chapter has the backing of some Radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitors.
Said Radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitors would help cover the more…egregious…secrets that would earn full purgation sanction for any other a chapter.

[grim bolt]

that could be interesting! thanks for the suggestion

[sharp pollen]

wdym ex death guard? you like, make the rent in your body so high that all the worms move out?

[raven stone]

And by using Ordo Xenos, it justifies your Chapter having the resources to learn Xenos.

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/k9c6bz33/sunday-preview-the-gitmob-gallop-into-the-fray/

Gitmob time

[grim bolt]

basically, they were originally loyalist death guard members who had been sent out on [insert mission here] and when they heard about the horus heresy and how they death guard got all stinky, they changed their name and hid their past

[crystal forum]

that could work, if the inquisiton knows they're ex death guard and uses that as blackmail so they keep working for them

[sharp pollen]

i c

[grim bolt]

thats true thats true

[raven stone]

Both blackmail or genuine cooperation could work, that just depends on how you feel like writing your Radical Xenos Inquisition faction background.

[grim bolt]

I prefer the actual cooperation side honestly

[crystal forum]

if it's completely voluntary then i dont see why any inquisitor would back them up

unless there's a sworn fealty

it seems like your chapter is more focused on helping civilians than fighting xenos

[grim bolt]

they tend to be yeah, that was the original plan.

[crystal forum]

that just seems like a liability in the 40k setting. an inquisitor couldn't rely on the chapter if they're likely to abandon their mission and help civilians

if you call in exorcists you know what they'll do, if you call in grey knights they will stop at nothing to achieve their task

40k setting is all about petty politics and making allies.... who is your chapter making allies with?

[grim bolt]

yeah dman, thats right

[crystal forum]

i suggest going full renegade and make them friends with xenos

your chapter already has all the markings of a renegade

they don't have to necessarily hate the imperium but they can help civilians without fearing repercussions

and your chapter has every reason to dislike the imperium considering its stance on civilians casualties

[grim bolt]

thats a good point hm

[raven stone]

Although in all honesty I suggested the Inquisitorial side because the way your lore is set up, their crimes would get them pretty high on a Puritan’s hit list.

I am just going to point out honest cooperation and blackmail are not mutually exclusive.
do you mind if I just scribble a bit of lore to defend the idea of them being backed by a Radical faction of Ordo Xenos Inquisitors?

[grim bolt]

go right ahead yeah!

[crystal forum]

something i just thought up: your chapter was very far from the imperium when they switched sides. what if they never formally got recognized by the imperium while they were blackshields in the HH and adopted the raven markings to hide their origin. whenever they show up to help, nobody questions it since most people never see space marines their entire lives, but they disappear very quickly when they start being questioned. not explicitly kill on sight for the imperium but very suspicious to those who are aware of their existence

[grim bolt]

I wrote the lore of their planet a bit too, and at one point in time, they basically had a really un violent revolt against the imperium

Black ships arrived, were gonna start taking people, Khorvusians got a little mad because they don't like their friends and family being stolen, so the planetary governor is like

'hey inquisition, can you please not send black ships for our people. We will gladly pay our tithe even more so if you agree'

[crystal forum]

now that's extremely suspicious for an already suspicious chapter

[grim bolt]

and after some like, negoations, Khorvusia doesn't get black ships, however they have to tithe significantly more Medicine, food, and provide three different guard regiments

[crystal forum]

it would be very strange for the chapter to have never been investigated by some puritan inquisitor

there's a lot of red flags

[grim bolt]

planet lore!

Khrovusia has one of those xenos species were its like 'they don't really do anything but are helpful so we will use them'

similar to the tech monkeys

the Jokaero is their name yeah

[green loom]

Well uh

So issue

There's no bargaining really

[grim bolt]

How so?

[crystal forum]

refusing black ships would set off so many alarms in the imperium

like what are they hiding

[grim bolt]

Ah damn didn't think that far ahead.

[green loom]

This is a nightmare state that demands payment while the planet is burning down, their modus operandi for a "no" or "let's talk about this" is to lop heads off until they get one that nods

[grim bolt]

fraggin hell. I am not good at this whole writing stuff

[crystal forum]

this is why i suggest renegade status, there's three choices in 40k and the imperium does not like good intentions

[green loom]

I mean you're fine you just have to acknowledge the realities of what being an Imperial world means

As in, really fucking shit

[grim bolt]

the idea why Khorvusia doesn't give up its psykers is because the planets affect on psykers born there makes them really stable but weaker. that was the idea

[green loom]

They don't really care about the potency

Just the quota

[grim bolt]

like, oh you can't fucking fry entire legions with your brain, but damn you won't really get a little too goofy and let the squids eat you up

[crystal forum]

the psykers taken by black ships are usually very weak

they need quantity

[green loom]

Weaker psykers if not just killed are usually ordered into Wyrdvane groups who are multiple weaker psykers that make up for their relative low strength via numbers

[grim bolt]

then maybe I can change it so the reason they tithe extra is cause they originally tried to fight the ships, it went poorly and so they feel like they need to provide extra

[raven stone]

“…And who are we to judge, right now, that the Imperium is in resurgence? The Puritans give endless mewlings about the return of Guilliman, the return of an era or glory, even as our Imperium continues to rot and collapse around us. Every day hundreds more worlds fall to the endless hunger of the Tyranids, the mindless brutality of the Orks, the capricious and sadistic raids of the Drukhari, the impossible tendrils of the Enslavers.”

“The Deathwatch? Look how all the Chapters cling to their own survival. The numbers do not lie: each and every Watch Fortress has seen diminishing volunteers. Guilliman’s pet Primaris project could not remotely hope to sustain the casualties that the Deathwatch maintains in order to avoid designation as a full Chapter. The losses of many Watch Fortresses alone speaks to how dire the situation is - especially with the Imperium distracted by that warp storm trick the Traitors had managed.”

“Yet here, we have before us - a Chapter of warriors, displaced by time. Their father, a traitor of the most heinous kind, yet these sons remain untainted. They survived with their minds loyal to the Imperium, even as they sully their minds with the teachings of Xenos tongues….”

[Redacted.]

“…what I propose, is simple. Look upon the Chamber Militant of the Grey Knights, and all seated here in this chamber know their radical counterpart: the Exorcist. So say I that this Chapter shall be our radical shadow to the Deathwatch. Here, before us, is a tool that, as debased and self insulting as it is, remains loyal to the Imperium. Only a fool would toss this tool away.”

“…and should they turn? We know their progenitor. We can -always- turn the Imperium against them when the time comes.”

+++Inquisitor Modnar, Radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, at the conclave of [redacted.]

@grim bolt

[green loom]

What they feel wouldn't factor into it, it'd be demanded as penance if they fought most likely

[grim bolt]

well I know uhh

[crystal forum]

that's even worse, you'll have multiple inquisitors hounding the chapter to find evidence of chaos taint

[grim bolt]

Fragging hell. alright back to the drawing board

mayube just extra tithes because the planet is just MASSIVE

[green loom]

The tithe is pretty universally super oppressive

[raven stone]

I should note you could be a fleet based chapter.

[grim bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

Actually yeah I love this.

Honestly, I might work with this.

[crystal forum]

you just have to acknowledge how the imperium reacts to your chapter, they dont let things go lightly. your chapter could kill inquisitors or distract them, any option is fine

[grim bolt]

Okay so, idea.