Are there any marine chapters that are actually what the community thinks Salamanders are?
#40k-lore-chat
young pecan
When the age is sigma Idk fantasy
rose thorn
After age of chaos
young pecan
The poorly-written age of chaos 
young pecan
Oh I figured that was classified as the same thing
vagrant fox
Are there any marine chapters that are actually what the community thinks Salama...
No, not really as far as I know
rose thorn
It’s the second time that chaos won
young pecan
There was a recorded period after end times? I figured it ended with the universe exploding how it did
rose thorn
@queen laurel all of kruleboyz got buffed
rose thorn
There was a recorded period after end times? I figured it ended with the univers...
Sigmar found mortal realms and invited all his friends
And they repopulated the mortal realms
And then chaos went and conquered the multiverse and then conquered the mortal realms
rose thorn
VERY
young pecan
I stopped around when he did that but didn't see that chaos won a second time
He also invited very bad fellows
Which was a choice
rose thorn
Look at all the factions on the warhammer store
And then tell me what looks cool
And I’ll suggest books
All the factions have fully developed independent lore
rose thorn
Mags, do you know when the Ogors are getting their new models?
Yes
Basically confirmed
They are getting a refresh
outer wave
Do we have a date or nah?
outer wave
dusk patrol
Where’s the comma Elite
arctic talon
Where’s the comma Elite
I forgor
rose thorn
Anything good for them?
Good news they are in one of the best AOS books, callis and toll: the silver shard
outer wave
True!!!
young pecan
Good news they are in one of the best AOS books, callis and toll: the silver sha...
Does it feature them or is it a book for them specifically?
Also can it be picked up with only a lil AoS knowledge
rose thorn
Does it feature them or is it a book for them specifically?
They are important to the plot
But I highly suggest battletome
If you want, their army box is really cheap
And the 3rd edition battletome has so so much lore
young pecan
Even if I don't play tabletop?
rose thorn
AOS is really good game tbh, they are a fun paint too
But without table top I can probably find a pdf of the third edition book
One good news is the serpahon in AOS are the same ones from WHFB
They have quite a few short stories
young pecan
That means the lizards?
rose thorn
That means the lizards?
Yes
young pecan
Sweeeet
rose thorn
Basically what they did was they got in their space ships
Flew into space
Saved dragons from going extinct
young pecan
Holy based
rose thorn
And helped sigmar make a plan to kill chaos
outer wave
Do they got lizardmen riding dinosaurs riding dragons?
rose thorn
Do they got lizardmen riding dinosaurs riding dragons?
Dinosaurs
outer wave
If not, I think they're cringe and stupid and dumb and lame
rose thorn
They gave the eggs to Sigmar
young pecan
I wonder if they see the dinos as distant family members or something entirely different
rose thorn
You can use them in seraphon tho actually
With the regiment of renown
You can bring a knight draconous and a draconous guard
Also your seraphon can be as good or evil as you want
young pecan
Did any of the big name lizardmen survive end times or is it just the same faction of lizardmen?
rose thorn
They evolve depending on where they are born
rose thorn
Did any of the big name lizardmen survive end times or is it just the same facti...
The frogs
They survived
And the souls of the ones they like got recycled
There’s someone who’s believed to be the reborn version of the white one
young pecan
So some of the lords from TWH3 were brought into AoS by recycling?
rose thorn
Yes kinda
young pecan
I know nothing about their lore but they played really fun in the game
rose thorn
Their souls are reusable
arctic talon
Kroak is alive
arctic talon
Oxyotol is implied to be alive still in the realms of chaos
Emphasis on implied because I’m not sure who else could be using a blowpipe and killing chaos followers and daemons
rose thorn
you can use him for your cold one(?) i think thats what the foot hero is called
but hes an underworlds warbadn
which is their card game
thats super super good
@young pecan I suggest the short story all is foretold, it’s like 4 dollars and helps give you a feel for the relationship between seraphon and the rest of order
i will try to find more books when i can
crystal forum
weird cover
young pecan
Oxyotol is implied to be alive still in the realms of chaos
That blows for him 😭 Unless that's his heaven which I can only imagine it is
young pecan
you can use him for your cold one(?) i think thats what the foot hero is called
I think the cold ones were the little raptor dinos that they used en masse, unless they changed the name to call foot soldiers that
I think foot soldiers were just saurids
rose thorn
I think the cold ones were the little raptor dinos that they used en masse, unle...
nah you are right, what the generic foot hero called?
young pecan
That's just from game knowledge so could be wrong
young pecan
I think the foot soldiers were just called whatever their specific race was
Skink units are just skink (blank)s, saurids are saurid (blank)s, Kroxigors so on
storm jungle
Yeah Skinks are like small support units for Sauruses
Kroxigors are Dinosaur Ogryns
they are dumb as shit but also well, bodybuilder crocodiles so you know
LOOK AT EM GO
young pecan
Aren't they a good bit more intelligent than ogryns, even if not as smart as the average fellow?
storm jungle
Yeah but you get the idea, they are treated as laborers and dumb muscle
Sauruses are the soldier caste
young pecan
Unless Nakai is just abnormally smart for a Kroxigor
young pecan
Awesome
Nakai is such a beast in-game
He charges into a unit of humans, does his running flail attack
storm jungle
hes so fucking OP its hilarious
rose thorn
oh yeah also @queen laurel ironjawz go t buffed
young pecan
No less than fifteen people are mulched instantly, no less than 30 others are grievously injured
His campaign was so fun when they finally fixed a huge issue with him
Forgot what it was but it like broke the game in an unplayable way
Had to do with buildings I believe
storm jungle
yeah he was crazy on launch
young pecan
Just meander around and kill whoever you want whenever you want, vassalize every city you take over and never worry about it again
storm jungle
hes one of the more "turn brain off" campaigns but still very fun
young pecan
Probably the biggest pimp gameplay lord in the game
dusk patrol
Cold Ones are the raptors
Cracking open some cold ones with the boys
young pecan
I need to play a Kroq-gar campaign now that I'm better at the game
storm jungle
Cracking open some cold ones with the boys
Better version
dusk patrol
Need more belts still
storm jungle
I need to play a Kroq-gar campaign now that I'm better at the game
His is fun as well
young pecan
Also @storm jungle
storm jungle
Lizardmen dont require a lot of brains but you do get orbital lasers so thats neat : )
young pecan
Have you noticed that in Franz' campaign
In Ubersreik there's an inn building that is a Vermintide reference
dusk patrol
Better version
Cracking open some Boyz with a cold one
young pecan
I saw that the other day
storm jungle
Yeah i missed that for like years
rose thorn
Lizardmen dont require a lot of brains but you do get orbital lasers so thats ne...
thats their terrain right?
storm jungle
i felt very fucking stupid later
rose thorn
the mega space beam
rose thorn
ohhh okay
young pecan
Even gives you the garrison of one waystalker, one dwarf specialist, one witch hunter, one general, one bright mage
rose thorn
are seraphon still wizards? i have not kept up on seraphon meta at allllllllllllllllll
storm jungle
Yeah its very good, also a wholesome reference surprisingly lol
young pecan
Even namedrops Lohner
young pecan
I was very happy when I saw that even if my campaign was going badly because my buddy was playing Changeling which obliterated the entire mechanic of making every empire faction like me
rose thorn
HES HALF THE PRICE OF NAGASH
also @young pecan found it, its called an old blood
your fucking slann masters are level 3 fucking wizards
what are these fucking frogs
kroak is as good a wizard as teclis
storm jungle
nerfed to oblivion...
arctic talon
kroak is as good a wizard as teclis
Tbf it is an avatar of teclis
But yeah Slann are
Insanely good wizards
rose thorn
oh
arctic talon
Same with nagash
rose thorn
crazy the avatar of nagash ish a level 9 wizard
arctic talon
It’s from his books
Nagash isn’t nearly as strong without all his magical items and such
rose thorn
fair
i cant even imagine running nagash
waht the fuck do you do in teh hero phase besides spam your infinte spells 8 times
rose thorn
LMAO
rose thorn
huh????
arctic talon
And it killed anything under what you moved it on top of
This was in WHFB
It was a total meme
rose thorn
oh okay
arctic talon
Would be funny if they got it back in AoS
rose thorn
because kraken eater can kick objectives i thought like 'wtf...'
arctic talon
But prolly not lol
rose thorn
im surpsied kraken eater can still move objectives
rose thorn
its weird to me thematically
but what ever
they are the smartest
if i was writing the rules i would have made it an army rule, maybe theme it as earthquakes or osmething
but then idk what to give kraken eater
reminds me how the ogor warband in warcry can eat treasure tokens
young pecan
also <@277075201823604737> found it, its called an old blood
Is that the battletome you're talking about?
rose thorn
Is that the battletome you're talking about?
no thats waht the seraphon foot hero is called, the battletome is the 3rd edition seraphon battletome
young pecan
And yeah if what I've heard is correct they can literally move mountains individually if they're powerful
Which is why it confuses me so much that the frogs lost a tug-of-war against hillbilly skaven ""wizards"" for THE MOON
young pecan
no thats waht the seraphon foot hero is called, the battletome is the 3rd editio...
So they gave them an actual name aside from race, that's cool
young pecan
I can only assume it's because they're spawned from the eggs of the old race of sauruses that were brought in the ships with the frogs
Idk how much time passed between the eras so maybe those saurus' lineage is older than a lot of the older frogs by that point in time but that's just a guess
rose thorn
hey uh, gw, why did you buff most of the legends guys
arctic talon
hey uh, gw, why did you buff most of the legends guys
They just do that sometimes, don’t worry about it
arctic talon
i have no clue what it means
The seraph part is that they descended from “the heavens” to murder chaos
The phons part Idfk
rose thorn
the courtier might be getting a mdoel i get that, i dont get why the grymwatch and wurmspat got buffed unless they get the stormcoven treatment
tbf i think nurgle might be missing a foot wizard
young pecan
Of course Nurgle would have wizards of feet ||/j||
arctic talon
tbf i think nurgle might be missing a foot wizard
They are
Unless you count like
Daemons ig
rose thorn
oh okay wurmspat is getting promotted then
grymwatch im not sure, we dont need a monster killer
arctic talon
But they aren’t actual wizards
arctic talon
grymwatch im not sure, we dont need a monster killer
Too bad
rose thorn
WIAT WATI WAIT WAIR
arctic talon
Cities of sugmar win again
rose thorn
(or sylvaneth)
i 100% beleive the brood getting companions was just a nromal mistake and not beta testing rules
sign for bluescribes coming back?
i lvoe blue scribes
young pecan
Dear deers, endearing deers are something I hold dear
arctic talon
(or sylvaneth)
Ngl I’d rather cities get it
rose thorn
me too
rose thorn
the new art showed them getting deer elves
(before they canned that half of the army)
arctic talon
Wanderers moment
rose thorn
fr
arctic talon
Maybe they’ll wander back into the battle tome
rose thorn
id cry happy tears then sad tears trying to figure out how to write htem into my city
rose thorn
what the fuck is the cross over between deers and fishing super cities
arctic talon
what the fuck is the cross over between deers and fishing super cities
Well don’t need the deers
rose thorn
that live in a dead whale god
arctic talon
Could just have the “normal” wanderers
rose thorn
i love deer stho
arctic talon
Idk
rose thorn
or do you mean like
rose thorn
fair
arctic talon
You can develop another biome
rose thorn
Could just have the “normal” wanderers
you mean models or they are just apart of the popualtion
arctic talon
Ig lol
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
Anyways do you think Kuronathi with horns
Need to shed their horns
like that would suck
rose thorn
that sounds like a beastars plotline
arctic talon
Every year you’re stuck with like
Horns for a large chunk of time
Like that would suck lol
rose thorn
i bet people woudl buy them at least
i could just use the normal lore and they would be scouts tbh, my city does hire alot of mercenary hunters tbf
queen laurel
oh yeah also <@783504501561753651> ironjawz go t buffed
Really?
queen laurel
Did they buff the monsters?
queen laurel
they gave goregrunta tusks hit ona 4+
They gave that to the cavalry
queen laurel
so if you are forced to charge you still get a buff
Hey at least now
queen laurel
I can run boars if i have the money
rose thorn
OHHH THAT WAS AN OLD BUFF MY BAD
OH YEAH grok roara is the best endless spell in destruction
its so good you would run it over any other manifestation lore
and the swamp is SO GOOD
and the foot is okay
also snatch em up got buffed
kinda
queen laurel
its so good you would run it over any other manifestation lore
Ok so did the boars being the goregrunta and maw grunta
Actually get a buff
queen laurel
the gork roara charge buff stacks now
That's the one that floats around and looks like a skull right
rose thorn
yes
so if you have a unit, you sue the buff on them
it stays
so you can give your boars liek a +2 to charge
if youw ant
i have no cleuw hy they buffed it
young pecan
Another question about WHF/AoS lore @rose thorn
rose thorn
yeha?
young pecan
Is all magic inherently from chaos like in 40k?
rose thorn
no
queen laurel
Is all magic inherently from chaos like in 40k?
Only some
rose thorn
each realm is the embodiment of thier own magic
young pecan
It was in "winds" instead of warp so I figured it was different
queen laurel
Yeah that
Every realm used to be basically the old magic system in warhammer fantasy
You know realm of death for death magic
rose thorn
and now each realm is the embodiment of that magic
queen laurel
The realm beast for beast magic stuff like that
rose thorn
but all magic is usable eveyrwhere, it just is more powerful if you are in the right relam (no tabletop effect)
voice quick question, do you like stupid high fantasy?
young pecan
I don't think I've really experienced that so not sure, why?
rose thorn
rain that turns you into solid gold, mountain ranges made form the bones of a beast, oceasn of magma
aos is the most high fantasy setting ive ever seen
young pecan
Oh like Greek mythology kinda stuff?
young pecan
Just "shit happens don't ask questions"
That sounds cool as long as it's not like obviously "only works when author wants it to"
rose thorn
there is a giant ocena cockraoch taht carries a nation on its back that lives at the bottom of the sea
queen laurel
Just "shit happens don't ask questions"
Yeah In the realm of beasts the very continents try to kill each other and eat them
young pecan
Like if there's a semblance of something making sense then that's cool
rose thorn
there is a species of gaint spiders that teleportfor fun
rose thorn
Like if there's a semblance of something making sense then that's cool
yess it deos
young pecan
Okay great
queen laurel
Not just teleport move through reality by cutting through it
young pecan
That's the big thing
rose thorn
so each realm is the fullest embodiment of their theme
young pecan
I hate when there's no actual system
queen laurel
I hate when there's no actual system
It's basically a simple system of this realm is basically the realm of monsters it's basically the realm of life but it's basically on maximum competition
queen laurel
The literal mountains themselves are hungry and want to kill you
queen laurel
Yeah there's rules
young pecan
That's an awesome premise
rose thorn
shout out to the realm of light
it bleeds so much magic and so much order
the natrual formations are beautfiul scultures of marble
the mountrain ranges make you go blind from looking at it
if you walk to far you just explode
people go insane from how perfectly formed it is
queen laurel
the mountrain ranges make you go blind from looking at it
Imagine a grot stepping in that realm
He would be blindsided by the order
rose thorn
Imagine a grot stepping in that realm
for some reason goblins have been able to block out the light
its really really funny
they made giant spider webs to block out light
queen laurel
for some reason goblins have been able to block out the light
Yeah there's also the sun metal loving gitmobs
queen laurel
Yeah in which then they violently use it to kill you
By straight up exploding when they hit you with the said sunmetal
rose thorn
ulgu is so dark sometimes you can only see via echo communication even with night viison
also sometimes the shadows, just come alive
and eat you
plants there are so venomous a touch will jsut kill you
i think its also stupid fucking cold
if i remember correclty
because its the realm of darkness
OH YEAH THERE IS ALOT OF DRUGS IN ULGU
the major cities in ulgu make alot of drugs
queen laurel
OH YEAH THERE IS *ALOT OF DRUGS* IN ULGU
Yeah i expected that in the realm of darkness
rose thorn
the drugs are so dangrous the stormcasts jsut stop the relaly bad drugs and allow teh safer drugs to go through
queen laurel
the drugs are so dangrous the stormcasts jsut stop the relaly bad drugs and allo...
I often forget that the realm of death and the realm of darkness are two separate things
queen laurel
oh yeah also the realm of life is porbably the second most dangerous realm
I mean
rose thorn
its mostly sylvaneths fault
queen laurel
Nurgl wants that realm so bad
rose thorn
each like, section of the realm expiercences completely different season
the trees grow so tall that you WILL get lost
queen laurel
each like, section of the realm expiercences completely different season
Yeah there's also the plague ridden parts
rose thorn
and the sylvaneth there especially hate you
rose thorn
Yeah there's also the plague ridden parts
oh yeah nurgle got telefragged into ghyran
adn the attack was so sudden liek 1/3rd of the realm was taken over
queen laurel
oh yeah nurgle got telefragged into ghyran
Got what
You mean he teleported into the realm and he taken a lot of it?
queen laurel
Well his forces anyway
rose thorn
they also accidentally teleported a shitlaod of chaos into the realm of death
queen laurel
the skaven teleported them
Never am surprise with those guys
rose thorn
so nagash got caught off guard
and he is redirecting everyone who is loyal to him to fight chaos
so like, an ossiarch legion and some ghosts
queen laurel
and he is redirecting everyone who is loyal to him to fight chaos
Hey at least people can breathe easier from the bone taxes
rose thorn
i think the siege of lethis happened at this time?
which was a really really really bad battle
queen laurel
which was a really really really bad battle
You mean the one where the storm cast and rats get the vote?
rose thorn
and i think it basically fucked over both forces defenses
rose thorn
You mean the one where the storm cast and rats get the vote?
thats excelsis
lethis is the city in shyish
the ossiarch attacked lethis really relaly hard
rose thorn
excelsis has the future seeing drugs
lethis sold amulets as a scam that turned out to wrok
and they pay each other in funerals
oh yeah btw grok roara might be one of the best melee units in orruks rn
the endless spell
5 2+ 4+ 1 REND D3
THATS FUCING INSANE
rose thorn
you roll 5 dice
and hit on 2+
and 50/50 to wound
with a rend
with d3
so if you spike
lets say 3 hit
thats 9 damage
you wipe out most units
queen laurel
Yeah it can definitely injure some of the elites as well
rose thorn
on avergae you are dealing 4-6 damage
also morkspit marsh is very very very funny
you cant end your movement ontop of endless spells
queen laurel
also morkspit marsh is very very very funny
Oh yeah that's the one where we thought it's like a butcher soup
rose thorn
yeah
you make enmeies unable to run, so place it in a choke point and some units are stuck
until they kill it
queen laurel
you make enmeies unable to run, so place it in a choke point and some units are ...
Sheesh
That sounds incredibly annoying
rose thorn
were kruleboyz! its what we do
also kruleboyz can teleport on movement now
instead of hero phase
so our etnire army is now slightly better than index release
that nerf was so bad it neutered the whole army
shoudl i make last grot samuari
oc
queen laurel
shoudl i make last grot samuari
Yeah i think that's a good idea
I'm still adjusting my age of sigmar brute Character
young pecan
the drugs are so dangrous the stormcasts jsut stop the relaly bad drugs and allo...
I'm sorry but you two sound so much like old adventurers talking about The Good Ol' Days like it's from experience
rose thorn
this setting has alot of lore
queen laurel
What can we say there's a lot of good things in the setting
rose thorn
for example, theres a giant chunk of the old world with a god trapped in it in excelsis, they harvest this rock to see the future
as their economy
young pecan
So how does an average wizard who is of life, traverse the life domain safely?
Or is it just that he would only be so far in the domain as is controllably safe for him?
rose thorn
So how does an average wizard who is of life, traverse the life domain safely?
stick on the paths or be friends with sylvaneth
rose thorn
theres a law emplaced by alarial that the sylaveneth can not attack anyoen on the roads
young pecan
They're as racist as the tree people in old WHF?
queen laurel
Make sure they do
rose thorn
They're as racist as the tree people in old WHF?
worse
queen laurel
They're as racist as the tree people in old WHF?
More
young pecan
Holy based
rose thorn
so you knwo the big racist tree?
queen laurel
Drycha
rose thorn
her soul got chopped up becuase she was so angry and racist it was cauisng issues
young pecan
We love life wizardry that isn't a pushover like in most settings
queen laurel
her soul got chopped up becuase she was so angry and racist it was cauisng issue...
And then Alarielle went on an emotional funny and decided to rebuild her and put her on a megazord
young pecan
he got fucking decked and his chunks were buried across the realms
"Surely this will have no ill consequences"
rose thorn
And then Alarielle went on an emotional funny and decided to rebuild her and put...
OH YEAH THAT WAS SO FUNNY
she got outcast from teh sylvaneth
queen laurel
That totally won't have any consequences in the future
rose thorn
because she like, betrayed the entire human race
young pecan
So how do wizards of other paths live in these extremely dangerous realms?
Does more progression and mastery of each element provide greater resistance to these dangers?
queen laurel
because she like, betrayed the entire human race
Yeah sylvaneth might be racist but if they just mindlessly killed they are no better than the chaos gods
rose thorn
So how do wizards of other paths live in these extremely dangerous realms?
most wizards were trained in azyr, the realm of heaven, htats just sigmar's semi monitor state dictatorship
and they go and train people in other realms
queen laurel
Does more progression and mastery of each element provide greater resistance to ...
If you're a beast wizard you can attune better to the wilds of the realms but you would have better chances in the realm of beasts
It's just another example
rose thorn
then tehse wizards form schools to train other wizards in the realms magic
queen laurel
And if you're magic matches the realm you are in you have better chances
Yeah magical colleges and shit
rose thorn
being a wizard is pretty sick tbh
young pecan
So it is like more resistance to that realm with more mastery?
rose thorn
theres not actually a downside (besides being hunted and killed for no reason 1/4th of the time)
arctic talon
theres not actually a downside (besides being hunted and killed for no reason 1/...
skill issue
don't piss off the sigmarites
smh
queen laurel
So it is like more resistance to that realm with more mastery?
Yes
If you use death magic you would resist the magical energy of the death realm
rose thorn
even tzeentch has birds that kill wizards specifically
queen laurel
If you use fire magic you would live easier on the fire realm stuff like that
queen laurel
But of course that's just saying that you can also
rose thorn
to the point they abosrb too much magic and explode
queen laurel
Use your own magical atonement to try to resist the other realms magical powers
Like for example say i want to close myself in a magical beast aura
To avoid getting cooked to death
rose thorn
the average soldier will see 1-3 wizards turn into a flaming ball of fire per deployment
queen laurel
In the fire realm
young pecan
An archmage of darkness and death casually eating a fully ripe "Datura flower but twenty thousand times potent" in front of a horrified light wizard
queen laurel
the average soldier will see 1-3 wizards turn into a flaming ball of fire per de...
Damn he only saw the fire wizards
Do not let that man near the other types
rose thorn
if your shields arent blackened by the shere heat and fire of your ALLIES then you havent actually gone to war
also the city is absolutely infested with a giant tzeentch cult
so you have a solid chance of getting kidnapped
rose thorn
they have tried to clear out the ancient mines
but there is so many of them its not even worth bothering
young pecan
I wish they would make a small sidenote in the lore that that Ubersreik 5 got soul recycled to live in the current setting
rose thorn
also tzeentch has canonically invaded every city of sigmar sucesfully
arctic talon
I wish they would make a small sidenote in the lore that that Ubersreik 5 got so...
tbh
the only one who doesn't have an easy path
is Baradin
young pecan
True
arctic talon
Kerellian probably is horrifically traumatized from getting partially digested by slaanesh
the 3 humans could be reforged
queen laurel
Yeah
rose thorn
actually uh, i forgot the grail kngihts name
arctic talon
Bardin is a mystery
well haven exists
but that would only cover Kruber and Kerellian
queen laurel
Bardin is an old world dwarf
And like there's only two of them in the setting
Gotrek
And Grom brindle
So you need to be very very worthy as an old world dwarf to exist in the mortal realms
rose thorn
actually uh, i forgot the grail kngihts name
his soul is either eternally being tortured by nagash or is one of alarielle's personal body guards
young pecan
Idk much about them either except some in-game snippets of dialogue
queen laurel
his soul is either eternally being tortured by nagash or is one of alarielle's p...
Kruber
rose thorn
kruber thank you
arctic talon
yeah bardin is an outcast
rose thorn
yeah kruber is either the happiest fellow around or is torturing people to death
queen laurel
Yeah sigmar likes humans very much
young pecan
Also in a devblog they insinuated that Bardin was on the path to succumb to Tzeentch corruption
arctic talon
depends on who nabbeed his soul first
rose thorn
and if nagash didnt guilt trip sigmar itno giving up some
arctic talon
irregardless of who "owned" it
rose thorn
also did nagash have a grudge or something
queen laurel
Who knows kruber could have also ended up inside a ossiarch
rose thorn
against bretonnia
rose thorn
i think theres liek 5 instances of a death character being from bretonnia
arctic talon
against bretonnia
Yes
rose thorn
theres a few fec, theres some ossiarch, and some night hant
rose thorn
What the hell did they do to piss nagash off so much
young pecan
Glad they didn't make Bardin "le dwarf barbarian oaf" in terms of personality
Or complexity
queen laurel
Such is the power of nagash
Power of nagash my green ass he got folded by the elvin twink neo nazi
rose thorn
dont forget teclis' neo nazi elves
arctic talon
What the hell did they do to piss nagash off so much
exist hamper his return heavily by stealing his shit
neo nazi?
nah
they're just nazis lol
rose thorn
LMAO
rose thorn
POV settlers gain
i lvoe the floating lobotomy crystals
vindicarum is pretty shit but at least for a good reason
the religion of 'being friends with everyone' being the literal law
arctic talon
the religion of 'being friends with everyone' being the literal law
If it works it works
rose thorn
it only required the revived souls of their saints to slaughter most of the population
arctic talon
yeah and?
it worked great
I don't see the living complaining
and they get along great
rose thorn
i forgot how much power does the cult of the wheel have?
i know they bascially caused most wheels outside of the iron wields to be like, banned
rose thorn
the 'making guns out of anything' guys wouldnt car etbh
arctic talon
very little power in greywater for example
rose thorn
true
arctic talon
but it depends city to city
But in like hammerhal aqsha and hallowheart
they've got a significant presence
rose thorn
my city probably lacks them, or the main sigmarite cult might be subserviant to them
cult of the 12th sail mainly pray for storms to benefit them while they sail \
the main religion, the cult of mobic, pray for their sins to get swallowed away and to gain the power of a force of nature
whihc, i imagine would conflict with the wheel
since they kinda wnat you to go kill yourself in war
oh well the idoneth is already stealing their souls i doubt they would care
as they secretly control the whole city
(wiki if you are reaidng this i swear)
queen laurel
the main religion, the cult of mobic, pray for their sins to get swallowed away ...
You're telling me that if i pray my sins away i can get a shotgun
That sounds like a good deal to me
rose thorn
you have to drink a really low quality soup
arctic talon
oh well the idoneth is already stealing their souls i doubt they would care
Evil morally questionable cabal of fish elf people
rose thorn
its the center of their religion
my idoneth mainly fuck around with soul fuckery, they 'gifted' the city a horn that empowers the strength of mobic
and also cuts slivers of their souls
then the idoneth stitch these soul bits together trying to get the best parts of each soul
they love love love doing that style of bullshit and frainkenstein soul shit
they trick the city to also accidetnally get them selves killed and wear 'trinkets' taht trap their soul
these trinkets are returned to the sea as like a buriel mermorial thing
unaware it contains the soul of their loved ones
additionally ships are legally required to have a soulscryer on board to help hunt beasts
and if they are close enough to the kingdom they might just lead the ship to a situation where it will most defenitly sink
also rip someone at my lgs, hes selling his old EC army
back when they were CSM
arctic talon
💀
god
Why the fuck did EC get so much cut
they can't use vindicators, predators, forgefiends or helbrutes
like wtf lol
rose thorn
they cant even use cultists lmao
or bikers
or posessed
gw being like
"we must sell more helldrakes..."
queen laurel
they can't use vindicators, predators, forgefiends or helbrutes
Holy crap
They lost so much
So you're telling me like the new things are like
Practically the only thing they can run
arctic talon
they cant even use cultists lmao
ngl losing cultists isn't even the worst part
rose thorn
how is WE twice the army EC is
rose thorn
HUH
crystal forum
what's WE
green loom
I require ena gifs
rose thorn
In 40K is the Slaanesh army supposed to be chip damage movement army
crystal forum
post ena
rose thorn
I require ena gifs
arctic talon
Slaanesh is not a chip army as daemons
or CSM
they're both very big on the whole "I'm better then you"
thing
or blitz them and murder them
rose thorn
I know AOS Slaanesh does have a pretty bad identity problem
arctic talon
40k slaanesh has a pretty defined identity tbh
generally speaking their stuff is always fast
rose thorn
It’s either hyper elite melee or swarm chip damage
crystal forum
i finally found a way to listen to femtanyl: slowing it down so it's comprehensible
rose thorn
Which is fine if either of them were good
crystal forum
am i a normie
rose thorn
I hope EC isn’t just a shooty army
arctic talon
psyker stuff sucks in general in 10th
obviously
arctic talon
I hope EC isn’t just a shooty army
they aren't
if anything they're all in on melee rn
due to lack of ranged options
now granted noise marines are extremely good
But their melee is pretty terrifying
rose thorn
What about all the noise marines and noise marines 2
rose thorn
But their melee is pretty terrifying
Oh were the profile leaked?
arctic talon
- the noise marine lord
arctic talon
those are noise marines
rose thorn
Oh okay
rose thorn
My bad
arctic talon
But EC's only real ranged options rn are the battleline dudes who are legionaries 2 slaanesh boogaloo
noise marines
rose thorn
I can’t tell any of the units apart tbh
arctic talon
Flawless blades are spooky
rose thorn
But EC's only real ranged options rn are the battleline dudes who are legionarie...
That’s who I got mixed up with
arctic talon
they can pump out enough to kill like
a land raider lol
without buffs
with buffs they get a lot better
rose thorn
Excited to run helldrakes :D?
arctic talon
No
rose thorn
(/j)
rose thorn
Same
arctic talon
I am immune to such petty consequences
If I was to pick a Slaanesh thing for CSM
it would prolly be a warband anyways
As cool as the EC stuff is
I like Chaos warbands more
rose thorn
arctic talon
wdym
rose thorn
Wait, didn’t
arctic talon
lol
queen laurel
I also don't play EC
Wolf only plays the most finest of semi elites
arctic talon
The warbands in the Cult Legion books
are all extensions
of the CSM legions and not actual independent warbands
rose thorn
I swear to god they use to house their complete devotee warbands too
rose thorn
So you don’t give Slaanesh players any homebrew ideas ig
arctic talon
I mean
wdym by that
You have plenty of homebrew ideas to draw from already, steal stuff from the EC book
combine it with the slaanesh stuff in the CSM codex
simple as
rose thorn
I mean is the intent that they want all EC armies to be specifically EC?
arctic talon
No
Slaanesh warband != EC
and it never has been
If you want to make an EC army specifically use the EC codex stuff
crystal forum
<:survstare:1138879514680774766>
alright that's it im joining this server for the memes
arctic talon
you can make a Slaanesh aligned warband without it
arctic talon
alright that's it im joining this server for the memes
rose thorn
rose thorn
I think little from Column a a little from column b
rose thorn
Does it house warbands that came from EC?
arctic talon
Yes
rose thorn
Okay
arctic talon
warbands that are part of the Emperors Children legion or with close ties to the EC are in the EC codex
arctic talon
Yes
rose thorn
Gotcha
arctic talon
The Slaanesh warbands descendent from Traitor marines/other legions are not in the EC book
rose thorn
I hope we see a return of the inflation boy planet
arctic talon
in the EC Codex for warbands
arctic talon
I hope we see a return of the inflation boy planet
erm akshully they were in the CSM codex 
rose thorn
rose thorn
Ohhh
arctic talon
though he has no rules
rose thorn
Lmao
arctic talon
he's pretty neat, he was the last of them to fall
he was in the deathwatch
they hunted him down and dragged him into the eye of terror
rose thorn
LMAO
arctic talon
his name is "The Feaster in the Twilight"
rose thorn
Oh yeha was there any mentions of the Slaanesh GK?
The silver prince?
I think he’s called
arctic talon
The Silver Prince is often in the Chaos Daemons codex
rose thorn
Gotcha
arctic talon
but he might show up in the EC codex
because the EC codex has some daemons lore
like how the EC have a uh
"carnival"
on Fulgrims pleasure planet now run by the Daemons
rose thorn
I might read the daemon lore since it’s basically shared across both games
arctic talon
now granted
we have 0 knowledge beyond that since the leaks got cut off
before the actual lore
but a "carnival" run by daemons sounds horrifying lol
opaque coyote
but a "carnival" run by daemons sounds horrifying lol
"WELCOME TO OUR CARNIVAL! RIDE THE PHYSICS DEFYING, SELF BUILDING, AUTOMATIC ROLLERCOASTERS! MADE BY TZEENTCH, NOT EVEN I KNOW WHERE IT'LL GO! YOUR "I SURVIVED" SHIRTS WILL TRULY MEAN SOMETHING!"
"WE HAVE GAMES FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY! YOU CAN SKIN MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN OF ALL RACES! ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN!!!"
opaque coyote
Carnival?
Imagine all the ride names lmao
I survived space mountain?
Nah
I survived the cocknball torture machine
queen laurel
we have 0 knowledge beyond that since the leaks got cut off
Hey wolf is wrath and glory the most simple warhammer tabletop rpg
arctic talon
its like
the most simple to actually play
but imo character creation is like
needlessly obtuse
due to how the system works
queen laurel
the most simple to actually play
So is it like the soulbound of warhammer tabletop rpgs
arctic talon
yeah
But more obtuse
since soulbound everyone is the same tier
in Wrath and glory you have 5 different tiers
of character strength
queen laurel
in Wrath and glory you have 5 different tiers
Yeah like i can go from a boy kommando to nob
Which is like already a can of worms if itself
arctic talon
Yeah like i can go from a boy kommando to nob
well
you can also just "ascend"
from one tier to the next
rather then changing the class thingy
queen laurel
rather then changing the class thingy
Do all classes have to start with tier one
green loom
Warhammer power level enjoyers when I give my guardsman the super mushroom
queen laurel
start at whatever tier you GM tells you to
I see
green loom
What do the tiers do
arctic talon
power level + stat bonuses + bonuses to rolls
ect.
its pretty linear
higher tier get more bonuses
and they better
green loom
Can a supposed T6 guardbro deal with a marine
queen laurel
and they better
So it's almost always a mandatory thing for me to pick a nob over a commando
arctic talon
Can a supposed T6 guardbro deal with a marine
a marine player no? a marine NPC yeah lmao, hell a tier 1 character can
due to how poorly balanced W&G is
I love punching so hard
I instantly kill people at T1
as some fuckhead administratum scribe
green loom
Pretty based
arctic talon
ngl
I don't like wrath and glory due to how poorly balanced it is
soulbound is just an objectively better execution of the systems ideas imo
queen laurel
soulbound is just an objectively better execution of the systems ideas imo
Simple and makes you feel powerful
Without making it too obtuse
arctic talon
It makes you feel powerful
its not complex
and its simple to digest
idk, maybe I should be less biased to W&G
but it feels off to me
queen laurel
It makes you feel powerful
Yeah i think the simplicity is the reason why they went with the dark tide expansion for the wrath and glory but
I want the character i'm making to feel you know
arctic talon
meh it works
I don't mind it
Imperium Maledictum is also very centralized
since its all in the Macharain sector
so it would be odd to make an expansion that takes place outside of it
green loom
Okay so
I've decried the idea of Total Warhammer 40k
But
I would be on board for exclusively one thing
rose thorn
I've decried the idea of Total Warhammer 40k
Wasn’t that leaked?
green loom
Whiteshield or Grot doomstacks wiping out marine armies
arctic talon
Wasn’t that leaked?
its a rumor
green loom
Wasn’t that leaked?
I think the only thing we know is that CA are working on a 40k title
arctic talon
Whiteshield or Grot doomstacks wiping out marine armies
LOL
arctic talon
I think the only thing we know is that CA are working on a 40k title
please be company of heros 40k
wait no
green loom
You mean Dawn of War?
green loom
It'd be Halo Wars
queen laurel
That's relic brother
green loom
We got a leak of some environments for a very obviously Warhammer game that's probably an RTS
green loom
Which would track
So we can more or less safely assume a 40k RTS is out there somewhere just ykno
No details beyond "40k RTS" and a vague marketing writeup that means nothing for the final product
green loom
LOL
But yeah it'd be hilarious
Whenever someone argues I'd just post a video of gretchin murdering Guilliman or something
queen laurel
Whenever someone argues I'd just post a video of gretchin murdering Guilliman or...
You have unlocked achievement
Get a marine fan to call you every single slur in the planet
languid meadow
Bingo with 40k fans
crystal forum
he's black templar he must be racist
languid meadow
so that new invincible episode sure was something
arctic talon
so that new invincible episode sure was something
The next 2 episodes are going to be back to back peak fiction
arctic talon
its great lol
opaque coyote
The next 2 episodes are going to be back to back peak fiction
I like how ||Powerplex actually showed a progression in becoming a villain. Like it seems that a lot of villain backstories just have them IMMEDIATELY crashout||
||Like he tried to go through the legal channels. But for obvious reasons, it just didn't go through.||
||Also the fact that a lot of his actions were caused by him. He had every opportunity to stop, but he didn't.||
opaque coyote
its great lol
Also
INVINCIBLE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!!!
The worst part is that it feels awkward with him not saying "yo".
because I fucking recognize Aaron Paul's voice
and it's also really funny that he basically depicted another guy whose mental state is in the toilet
Although now I wonder
Angstrom vs Powerplex. Who is the #1 Invincible Hater?
opaque coyote
he's black templar he must be racist
I am trying to get him to embrace his inner power
He must channel his racism
raven stone
Morning lore chat
raven stone
Get a marine fan to call you every single slur in the planet
Most effective 3 words:
“female space marines”
sit back, and watch the fireworks
raven stone
dusk patrol
Most effective 3 words:
“female space marines”
*sit back, and watch the firework...
My slur for you is “boring”
🥱
celest dome
SM are lamer than Stormcast ?
dusk patrol
It’s different flavors, not a lot to compare.
I will say, going back to invincible, didnt love the Powerplex thing
It wasn’t bad just, felt like it was obvious where it was going and it required Mark to be kinda a dumbass as well as the Powerplex dude
queen laurel
SM are lamer than Stormcast ?
eh both serve their job as face of the setting they're in, but i would rather be saved by a stormcast 10 out of 10 times
languid meadow
Stormcast are also less lame since they don't hog the limelight all the time
queen laurel
Stormcast are also less lame since they don't hog the limelight all the time
yeah they will even straight up credit the city freeguilds for their success if they do their job well
dusk patrol
eh both serve their job as face of the setting they're in, but i would rather be...
We'd both be dead if we needed saving by either anyways
If either are showing up, you're probably already fucked.
queen laurel
We'd both be dead if we needed saving by either anyways
yeah but still, i would take my chances with the lightning riding forged warrior than a space marine
storm jungle
yeah but still, i would take my chances with the lightning riding forged warrior...
Yeah idk where this is coming from, id trust a fucking stormcast more with my life than a space marine any day of the week lol
queen laurel
Yeah idk where this is coming from, id trust a fucking stormcast more with my li...
yeah like sigmar choses them through good deeds so at least i know i can trust them
with marines it's like playing russian roulette
storm jungle
Pretty much, also theres a lot more well meaning stormhosts than straight up awful ones.
Space marines in comparison are all essentially different shades of assholes and brainwashed sociopaths lol
queen laurel
<:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
So long as you wear that PFP you are bound to it's curse
queen laurel
Space marines in comparison are all essentially different shades of assholes and...
yeah i would be lucky if i meet me one that's like i will not save you save yourself type guy
storm jungle
Yeah id rather just not lol
queen laurel
same
storm jungle
Most effective 3 words:
“female space marines”
*sit back, and watch the firework...
Also late but thats a good one
dusk patrol
yeah like sigmar choses them through good deeds so at least i know i can trust t...
Well, kinda. He chooses them based off how they die.
We see plenty of them, as you would expect, are still assholes. They're just righteous assholes.
storm jungle
Well, kinda. He chooses them based off how they die.
Its still pretty much repeated as them being almost always heroic deeds to any or all extent.
They are still nowhere near as bad as astartes
its mostly just to add flavor
dusk patrol
Yeah but we see plenty of "bad people" die heroic deaths.
dusk patrol
And we have seen plenty of Stormcast not be very good people.
dusk patrol
Ok but that wasn't my point.
queen laurel
yeah like why are you making this argument more complex than it needs to be I trust the other one more than the other one like what's so hard about that to accept
dusk patrol
Got em
storm jungle
dusk patrol
storm jungle
yeah like why are you making this argument more complex than it needs to be I tr...
Basically yeah.
"well theres bad ones"
okay cool theres a lot more good ones too
we still need that grimdark spice
but like yeah lol
queen laurel
one is a forged guy that is trusted by a warrior God to do the right thing the other one is a space steroid induced monster that is trained to the killing edge to be the best killing machine