meh
#40k-lore-chat
dusk patrol
Too many music videos
green loom
The large time skips felt pretty speedy
scenic bolt
I remember reading that they had intended s2 to be like twice as long but it got slashed in half midway through production and had to cobble story beats to make a roughshod airable season
dusk patrol
They made Victor a lot less interesting too
arctic talon
Viktor being just mutated by magic is lame
we have like
10+ people in league lore just like him
dusk patrol
Hextech Cyborg is so much cooler
arctic talon
have you seen the hips
storm jungle
storm jungle
GYATT
dusk patrol
We’d have to ask their wives boyfriends
arctic talon
LOL
storm jungle
Hot
dusk patrol
It’s not a terrible design just the original was so much cooler imo
arctic talon
Tbh
dusk patrol
And now it’s retconned it which sucks
storm jungle
Etenral hes literally Doctor Doom Iron Hand
dusk patrol
Yeah
storm jungle
you are biased as hell
arctic talon
He's just messed up by magic now
arctic talon
Like
scenic bolt
like it was all hands everyone having to piece a season together in months rather than years, animators, writers, voice, etc
green loom
scenic bolt
and it was something like they werent even guaranteed a s3 at that moment
dusk patrol
arctic talon
NOXUS NOXUS NOXUS
dusk patrol
arctic talon
he doesn't even look tactical like te rest of the psy-op skins lol
dusk patrol
He’s Shadowrunning it up ok
arctic talon
okay but they could have done more with it
like turned his hand into like some fucked up psychic cannon instead of like
normal ass robot hand 2
dusk patrol
arctic talon
he's also literally made out of oil
dusk patrol
arctic talon
which is like such a weird thing lol
storm jungle
"guy id invite to clean my pool and fuck in my house while my husband is gone"
arctic talon
storm jungle
stop posting cyberpunk 2077 art!!!!
dusk patrol
"guy id invite to clean my pool and fuck in my house while my husband is gone"
This is AU Thresh who is merely a humble window washer
arctic talon
"guy id invite to clean my pool and fuck in my house while my husband is gone"
Its kind of fucking hilarious there's an entire League Skinline
dedicated to this
storm jungle
This is AU Thresh who is merely a humble window washer
"humble"
nah man hes fucking guys' wives behind their backs
which i get it, hes kinda attractive i guess
💀
storm jungle
its League art, do we even have to ask
arctic talon
dusk patrol
Yes, standards are standards
storm jungle
i wonder how the chinese version looks
dusk patrol
He 1000% destroys her over that desk after hours.
storm jungle
I mean
arctic talon
LOL
dusk patrol
One handed, easily
storm jungle
REAL.
arctic talon
Janna's design is just kind of, horny in general since old champion + she's literally a wind spirit
dusk patrol
Also that phone dear god
arctic talon
so like
storm jungle
I mean to be fair
dusk patrol
It’s all gooner bait all the way down
storm jungle
HE DOESNT COUNT
arctic talon
WDYM HE DOESN'T COUNT
storm jungle
It’s all gooner bait all the way down
Nah like
LoL very much started out as male centric goonerism
arctic talon
storm jungle
because this franchise is old af
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
its deffo gotten better
storm jungle
even if the designs SUCK BALLS
arctic talon
design wise originally
Leaagues like
a mixed bag design wise
there's some really good stuff
storm jungle
yeah as you said its mostly a matter of age tho
arctic talon
and just a bunch of meh stuff
dusk patrol
storm jungle
"how do we not make this a porn character"
dusk patrol
LoL very much started out as male centric goonerism
I mostly played Dota
Which is a little better
dusk patrol
They make challenging wanks
arctic talon
way better lol
storm jungle
oh wait she has cat ears
arctic talon
also new nidalee is hotter to me
storm jungle
NEVERMIND
arctic talon
tbh
storm jungle
AWOOGA
dusk patrol
arctic talon
CREATURA
storm jungle
what that mouth do tho
dusk patrol
The lamest Dota 2 character
dusk patrol
The one elite posted is
arctic talon
what Eternal psoted was dota
the one I posted was league
Dota's early designs mostly just
suck
because its just Warcraft 3 2
lol
no offense, its not bad its just
you know
the same
dusk patrol
Yeah it was literally just a Warcraft mod
Which became something more proper with Dota 2
arctic talon
mhm
arctic talon
what that mouth do tho
maul people
dusk patrol
Kids these days don’t know anything about the original team fortress or Dota being glorified mods
arctic talon
she literally just kills poachers lol
dusk patrol
Bit rude
arctic talon
well shouldn't have been Piltovan gone hunting
storm jungle
Kids these days don’t know anything about the original team fortress or Dota bei...
I was too busy playing HL1 deathmatch tbh
i remember being scared of snarks
💀
dusk patrol
I had nightmares from Spies
arctic talon
LoR is really funny because they introduce a bunch of new characters including children
next expansion
arctic talon
they all fucking die lmao
dusk patrol
My friend played through Half Life 2 and I’d watch and it was too spooky
Ravenholm was rough
storm jungle
I remember starting with HL1 first, do you remember where like uh
dusk patrol
Luckily we weren’t old enough to get what Stalkers were
storm jungle
you go up the elevator and encounter the first zombies? I never could play past that 💀
storm jungle
Ravenholm was rough
Ravenholm was where kids became adults tbh
thank fuck Grigori is there
well was
dusk patrol
LoR is really funny because they introduce a bunch of new characters including c...
So are there a lot of League characters who are technically dead now
arctic talon
playable?
dusk patrol
Too many
arctic talon
uh
storm jungle
yeah 💀
storm jungle
jesus christ
dusk patrol
Ugh
storm jungle
league "lore" is super important btw
arctic talon
MOBA moment
dusk patrol
Smallest MOBA roster
storm jungle
Real. Again.
storm jungle
I mean it is
arctic talon
arcane only fucks with PNZ lore
storm jungle
but idk why people get so upset about it
arctic talon
and I didn't like PNZ in the ffirst place
storm jungle
its about as flimsy as warhammer
arctic talon
so uh
dusk patrol
Yeah it added Women
arctic talon
dusk patrol
Ugh
arctic talon
smh
storm jungle
guh-
dusk patrol
Worse, gae women
dusk patrol
At a certain point you’d think there would stop being hot lesbians at the focal point of the struggle
But it doesn’t
arctic talon
die
storm jungle
LOL
dusk patrol
Also I refuse to believe that one lady actually ever had sex with someone and gave birth to multiple kids
arctic talon
nah sex happens in League lore
dusk patrol
You can’t prove to me she did
arctic talon
storm jungle
does it now
arctic talon
for better or for worse
dusk patrol
Show proof Elite
dusk patrol
Show Draven cock
arctic talon
die
arctic talon
arctic talon
one moment I need to find it
dusk patrol
dusk patrol
Draven definitely fucks
storm jungle
I remember like
reading a great draven/reader fanfic
where your character is like
"Omg im so happy to meet you!"
and hes just
"Cool, fuck off"
peak writing
dusk patrol
storm jungle
dusk patrol
I wonder how many times Bale has done that since
There’s no way he hasn’t at least once or twice
storm jungle
Its likely but questionable because he actively called people that look up to stuff in American Psycho incels so lol
dusk patrol
That has nothing to do with giving yourself a finger point and wink in the mirror while you’re balls deep in a girl
dusk patrol
One day
arctic talon
Hatilly awoke to a creeping sensation on her ankle.
Infernal skitter-ants were everywhere, this near to the jungle. She kicked it away. Sleepily blinking, she turned to the empty pillow next to her. Cazworth had left after their time together.
The nagging insect was undaunted, and was crawling further up her shin. She flung off the bedsheets and saw that there was no insect, but rather a tendril vine weaving through her toes, entangling her ankle, and twining around her leg.
Panic shoved sleep from her mind.
She kicked but could not get the green and red shoots to release her leg. They tightened, biting into her flesh. She pried them off with her fingernails. Her hands bled from thorny splinters.
Plausible deniability they had sex
but like
they're a married couple so die
storm jungle
THATS IT?
THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WARHAMMER STYLE OF SEX
I TOLD YOU SO
Maybe in another decade we'll move to penetration on the pages or first base.
a girl can dream...
vagrant fox
Just encountered gooners in return of reckoning, a rising sense of futility grips me
green loom
THIS IS LITERALLY JUST WARHAMMER STYLE OF SEX
Doesn't Hyperion like
Spy on an inquisitor as she bangs a former cultist
spare osprey
the fact sex exists in 40k has somehow never crossed my mind before
i thought they all sorta just poofed into existence
vagrant fox
Imagine the rampant stds in the shitty parts of hive cities 
tough haven
*they're a married couple so die*
I actually like that in some of the warhammer crime novels, married characters stay married and alive rarely
winter vessel
the fact sex exists in 40k has somehow never crossed my mind before
There are two things in abundance in the Grim darkness of the 41st millennium when it comes to humanity
Violence and fucking
spare osprey
i just can't imagine somebody fuckin to make like
idk helbrecht
two people fucked for that guy to exist
maybe more
they mighta been freaky
opaque coyote
the fact sex exists in 40k has somehow never crossed my mind before
Imagine the Chaos Gods meeting with GW as the dark king
"Listen Slaanesh, we just can't have you anymore."
"W-why not?"
winter vessel
maybe more
I would’ve killed the male and female specimen that spawned the child who would go on to “be more like Erebus”
opaque coyote
"Well... you're decreasing accessibility to the crowd."
"Because of what? I'm important!"
"Well you're just... uh... you're..."
"WHAT??"
arctic talon
i just can't imagine somebody fuckin to make like
This is why admech and drukhari are great
because almost everyone was vat grown
lol
opaque coyote
"You're Not Safe for Work... and sales."
arctic talon
actually
ig that isn't the case for drukhari named characters
since Vect and Rakarth are both trueborn(presumably)
Leilith is vat grown though
spare osprey
Drukhari are vatborn?
opaque coyote
"Come on! I mean... I'm the god of excess. I represent perfection and the pain of trying to attain something unattainable!"
spare osprey
fucking hell i need to read their books
winter vessel
since Vect and Rakarth are both trueborn(presumably)
Ah the Trueborn, the most “country club exclusive” ass behavior
arctic talon
Drukhari are vatborn?
99.9% of the drukhari population is vatgrown
the trueborn are a small minority
and its a huge like
opaque coyote
Drukhari are vatborn?
Yeah the richer ones also have like multiple bodies as well
spare osprey
wow
arctic talon
mark of honor
opaque coyote
Vect I think has like several clones
arctic talon
backup bodies
are different
from being vatgrown
true born can have back up bodies
winter vessel
But vatgrown aren’t associated with Halfborn?
spare osprey
do you get like shunned if you're a backup trueborn
opaque coyote
from being vatgrown
Seriously tho like
what is the difference between like a regular Deldar/human being and a vatborn one
arctic talon
do you get like shunned if you're a backup trueborn
no
spare osprey
or do you just lose a hallway pass
arctic talon
Seriously tho like
what is the difference between like a regular Deldar/human b...
literally nothing
opaque coyote
I heard something about their souls specifically?
opaque coyote
and prestiege
💀
arctic talon
you get the best toys, guns, ect.
spare osprey
wow
spare osprey
see i just need to look into xenos more, this shit is neat
arctic talon
only the highest of vatgrown can really "hang out" with trueborn so to speak lol
sorry I should be using halfborn
not vatgrown since thats an Imperial term
winter vessel
only the highest of vatgrown can really "hang out" with trueborn so to speak lol
The one wimpy kid in a rich friend group
opaque coyote
only the highest of vatgrown can really "hang out" with trueborn so to speak lol
so theortically, couldn't you just like
fake being not vatborn
opaque coyote
I mean unless if there's like a record or indicator
opaque coyote
why aren't your parents around
what if you just say that you killed them since... deldar
arctic talon
but they have back up bodies lol
spare osprey
FUCK
opaque coyote
but they have back up bodies lol
and destroyed their backups
paid off the haemonculi
arctic talon
Well they'd still ask who your parents are
opaque coyote
or something idk
arctic talon
and you better have a belivable answer lol
or else they'll just kill you prolly lol
or torture you
queen laurel
who are your parents
tbf a vatborn can accomplish alot and get pretty high in society
opaque coyote
and you better have a belivable answer lol
well that sucks.
spare osprey
or else they'll just kill you prolly lol
well guess what
arctic talon
but Trueborn are like literal like
queen laurel
welll
spare osprey
I GOT A BACKUP
arctic talon
Country club behavior lol
queen laurel
unless they get killed
arctic talon
its fucking hilarious
also trueborn generally have
really horrid child hoods
lol
winter vessel
I’d imagine so
arctic talon
A trueborn in Path of the dark eldar
has a panic attack
when he hears his mother is coming to visit
spare osprey
oh dude i've never even thought of like
queen laurel
really horrid child hoods
I mean biologically and like genetically speaking aren't vat born and true born basically the same thing when it comes to genetics and biology
arctic talon
yes
opaque coyote
when he hears his mother is coming to visit
...wow I almost feel bad
queen laurel
the way they are born is different but
opaque coyote
ALMOST.
spare osprey
oh dude i've never even thought of like
how dark eldar develop
arctic talon
There's 0 difference biologically
queen laurel
yeah that they literally don't have any distinct advantages
arctic talon
lol
spare osprey
mannnnn
arctic talon
its like being born irl
to incredibly wealthy parents
but being pregnant as a woman in Drukhari society is a huge like
Status symbol
it means you're insanely confidant of both yourself and your safety
winter vessel
Gestation for an Eldar is a very long process. Like I’m talking years
arctic talon
its why Trueborn are treated like trophies
winter vessel
“Drukhari never cry”
arctic talon
also fun fact Marazhai and his Sister are both trueborn
opaque coyote
when he hears his mother is coming to visit
I genuinely think the most fucked up part about Deldar is that
I remember reading a excerpt of like a Deldar recounting being absolutely terrified as a child because their mom was forcing them to torture people
spare osprey
Gestation for an Eldar is a very long process. Like I’m talking years
the maternity leave better be good
spare osprey
“Drukhari never cry”
opaque coyote
at like 5 years old (well mentally anyways)
queen laurel
its why Trueborn are treated like trophies
yeah but the thing is i feel like punching your trophy and kicking him down isn't really a good way to treat a trophy
arctic talon
I genuinely think the most fucked up part about Deldar is that
I remember readi...
SUCK IT UP COWARD
DISSECT THEM
queen laurel
dark eldar shenanigans
arctic talon
the maternity leave better be good
tbh the way eldar reproduction works is weird
you need to deposit genetic material multiple times
before pregnancy like fully "occurs"
opaque coyote
SUCK IT UP COWARD
LITERALLY LMAOOO
Like that's arguably the most disturbing part about them because like none of them were "born" evil.
spare osprey
I genuinely think the most fucked up part about Deldar is that
I remember readi...
so it's very much nurture not nature then
winter vessel
you need to deposit genetic material multiple times
Sounds like a build a bear process
opaque coyote
But their society just fucks them up beyond belief
spare osprey
wow man
spare osprey
you think some Deldar like
winter vessel
Though some drukhar do come out the womb
Thought you were going to say “came out the womb, strapped to the teeth”
arctic talon
Iremeryss in Rogue Trader was the favored child over Marazhai because she tried to strangle him to death
opaque coyote
like Reddit, Twitter, 4chan, and QAnon had an orgy and had some fucked up mutant baby.
opaque coyote
do the playing music to the womb thing
1000%
actually they probably do it unintentionally
arctic talon
And their parents thought she showed initative
for you know
trying to fucking strangle her twin brother to death lol
winter vessel
for you know
Their parents: “wow look at her go!”
queen laurel
Iremeryss in Rogue Trader was the favored child over Marazhai because she tried ...
also shows how much of a bastard she is in the boss fights
opaque coyote
trying to fucking strangle her twin brother to death lol
"Pull yourself up by your Monkeigh Leather Bootstraps!"
arctic talon
but he wasn't the favored one because he only did it to defend himself from getting strangled
anyways Drukhari culture is facinating lol
Its extremely messed up
queen laurel
but he wasn't the favored one because he only did it to defend himself from gett...
so he should have just completely made her blind
arctic talon
Its absurdly stratified, violent and no one is having a good time
arctic talon
so he should have just completely made her blind
No
he gouged one of her eyes out and she ran out of the room lol
to escape from him lol
winter vessel
Ah, the good old “I’m telling on you”
arctic talon
he looks at it as a fond memory as well
queen laurel
he gouged one of her eyes out and she ran out of the room lol
but don't they have like treatments for that stuff
arctic talon
The only reason he has any dislike of it
is because he wasn't the favored child
for maiming his sister
LOL
winter vessel
Fair
arctic talon
but don't they have like treatments for that stuff
they do but she kept that eye blind as a lesson to herself
which is to finish the job
anyways thats why they weren't allowed to be in the same room without a kabalite warrior or one of their parents watching them for their entire childhood
winter vessel
Marazhai may be associated with those dastardly pricks. But spending time through rogue trader he is “tolerable” in my ranking list. Just for him only
queen laurel
Marazhai may be associated with those dastardly pricks. But spending time throug...
yeah if you keep him in a short leash
he wouldn't mostly kill people
opaque coyote
anyways Drukhari culture is facinating lol
sigh
"What's wrong insert drukhari man name idk? You look awful!" hides knife behind their back
"My wife only tried to poison my drink three times today, and only sent assassins in my sleep once!" He stabs his friend in the arm
"Ow! Both to the situation and to the stab. Anyways, did you try kicking her in the tummy?"
"YES! But she didn't even let out so much as a moan! I swear... I don't know what to do."
arctic talon
also the other thing with trueborn is they're usually groomed for some important position
like a Sybarite or such
winter vessel
Or accounting
arctic talon
lol
winter vessel
Both are terrible
opaque coyote
Honestly I genuinely think that a Drukhari sitcom would be a good idea for a 40k show
like unironically
winter vessel
like unironically
“Everybody hates Marazhai”
arctic talon
she got enslaved for refusing to kiss her Archon
And then she got sent to a weapons factory after her former Archon got bored
opaque coyote
she got enslaved for refusing to kiss her Archon
"Women" ☕
-Archon
arctic talon
she ended up making really good weapons
queen laurel
oh yeah Aestra is another vatgrown Drukhari
what about Lelith Hesperax
winter vessel
And then she got sent to a weapons factory after her former Archon got bored
Ah yeah i remember reading that, kudos to her honestly
arctic talon
and was promoted from a slave to having her own workshop
and then she murdered her former Archon and took over
opaque coyote
and was promoted from a slave to having her own workshop
Rags to riches to rags to riches again.
Rise and fucking grind
I think the only one who had like a similar situation was Admiral Yu, who got demoted and promoted like
4 fucking times
arctic talon
also I find it hilarious that her becoming an Archon
did not make her a better person
her entire expierence just made her become even worse
LOL
opaque coyote
her entire expierence just made her become even worse
tbf... Drukhari society
queen laurel
did not make her a better person
well it's hard to make a dark eldar become a better person with their lifestyle
arctic talon
she now has a Talos pain engine running around her Kabals forges called "the overseer" that brutally tortures anyone who messes up slightly
opaque coyote
and also I would 100% fucking torture the previous Archon if I was in her position
If it's the same archon that enslaved her anyways
opaque coyote
I mean she just killed him
cringe
arctic talon
I'd assume it was gratifying
queen laurel
and also I would 100% fucking torture the previous Archon if I was in her positi...
Yeah but your brainlessness transcends time itself that you would probably forget and just accidentally kill the Archon
opaque coyote
should've sentenced him to 100 years of cock and ball torture
arctic talon
oh also the kabal of the obsidian rose's favorite target
being other Eldar
is like
peak drukhari
queen laurel
by brutally maiming
queen laurel
oh also the kabal of the obsidian rose's favorite target
about Lelith Hesperax, is she vat born or true born
arctic talon
vat
we don't know her past properly
also obsidian rose's scheme fucks hard imo
the orange and black is nice
winter vessel
Orange is the new black
opaque coyote
also obsidian rose's scheme fucks hard imo
I would like it if there was like lava looking highlights
spare osprey
Since we’re on “eldar” rq. Ik harlequins can become corsairs but what about death jesters specifically?
Or is there like a superior loyalty to their brotherhood
arctic talon
Since we’re on “eldar” rq. Ik harlequins can become corsairs but what about deat...
Non Troupes are in it for life
opaque coyote
dusk patrol
He’s so boring
opaque coyote
I genuinely have no idea whether he's actually grifting or whether he genuinely believes the shit he's spewing
celest dome
I genuinely have no idea whether he's actually grifting or whether he genuinely ...
At this point are we supposed to care ? Or can we simply treat it as if they're the same thing
opaque coyote
So apparently the Orks most likely have spread to the local group
Since they've existed for 60 million years, even at sublight speeds their spores can probably arrive at some distant ass galaxy
So basically the Andromeda galaxy probably has Orks, the neighboring galaxies probably also have Orks
And even if everything in the Milky Way dies, the legacy of the Milky Way will be Orks
opaque coyote
Since they've existed for 60 million years, even at sublight speeds their spores...
Spores can also survive for thousands upon thousands of years. With the oldest spores ever found on Earth being 250 million years old, in some random ass salt crystals
And Ork Spores are probably way more fucking durable than some weak non-green spores
queen laurel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09rvtml
eh they really can't
thanks to their toughness they can resist it
but they can still be affected
Badrukk has to wear a lead-lined coat to protect himself from the radiation his weapon makes
green loom
I genuinely have no idea whether he's actually grifting or whether he genuinely ...
It's free money
I doubt they're a particularly great person at base but 99% of everything is just in service of propping up their content farm
green loom
median star
did the aeldari ever have any specific run ins with malcador or anything of note happen between him and any of them
storm jungle
Not really.
He has like 1 eldar he kept torturing forever that kept killing himself.
thats kind of it
median star
i feel like their shouldve been something being 3rd most powerful psyker and all
storm jungle
I mean what would there be. Eldar arent a unified faction.
median star
idk maybe he hits someone with psychic ball twist move and they go damn the monkey ppl are a little dangerous
storm jungle
Yeah nothing really like that. Just that one he kept in a tank to use as a confessional doll.
median star
whatever happened to him i guess he killed himself one final time after malacdor got turned to dust or
median star
also i seems very on point to have happened but did anything ever get done with malcadors ashes i by 40k standards id imagine they turned into some psyker bio weapon or something
storm jungle
They just got swept off for Big E's ass to be settled on the chair.
median star
catastrophic
green loom
small grail
i just got rogue trader is it good
plush mason
yes
raven stone
GW officially joining the trolling business
tulip sand
In rogue trader, how plausible is it that in the end of chapter 1
||You fight a lore accurate word bearer and a few rebels + a sniper|| with ||a navigator, sanctioned psyker interrogator, SoB, explorator, imperial assassin, and a guard vet + yourself as a rogue trader||
forest orbit
In rogue trader, how plausible is it that in the end of chapter 1
||You fight ...
Very possible.
tulip sand
It took me a bunch of tries to do but im sure some people did it in one
celest dome
Quite plausible
forest orbit
Its more uhhh
tulip sand
Really? Its a space marine
tulip sand
Against scooby doo's gang basically lol
forest orbit
Not really?
celest dome
Tbh, a Rogue Trader could plausibly kill some Sm without much issues
forest orbit
A navigator alone can kill you by looking at you with their warp-eye
celest dome
Against scooby doo's gang basically lol
That's not really comparable to a Rogue Trader retinue 
forest orbit
^
tulip sand
Well you are also new and dont have many relics yet
forest orbit
Your retinue is filled with pretty heavy hitters.
I mean that doesnt matter
you got a psyker, navigator and SoB on your team
you can crack that cunt open like a can
tulip sand
For me personally it was the navigator + SoB that made it possible as cassia could use her third eye on him and the SoB could actually deal damage with her boltet
forest orbit
Well yes thats what we said
celest dome
Rogue Traders, even if you start are part of Dynasties who live miles over the levels of other peoples
And have access to much better equipments
forest orbit
Yeah their retinues especially.
they are basically a DnD party, with the right setup/team-members they can take on largely anything.
tulip sand
Interesting
Because when the word bearer shows up and starts killing people the entire retinue is just like 'we gonna die lol'
green loom
Well you are also new and dont have many relics yet
You're new to being a rogue trader
Before you could've been a number of things
But regardless you'll be very experienced
forest orbit
Also every person has a plan until they get punched in the face. This applies doubly to the Word Bearer.
tulip sand
Yea the interrogator + seneschal + imperial assassin basically jumped him
forest orbit
Accurate lol
You will fight literal daemon engines later on
a single CSM will become a nobody
forest orbit
Well yeah same thing.
but yeah your retinue is more than equipped to handle something like CSM.
tulip sand
Im surprised we couldn't evacuate anyonr after tbh because if you kill the word bearer fast enough you will have like 3 evac shuttles left
celest dome
We could crush a SM without problem 💀
forest orbit
Im surprised we couldn't evacuate anyonr after tbh because if you kill the word ...
The planet is literally exploding
it evaporates the moment you leave lol
theres no time for it
tulip sand
I thought it was becoming a demon world
And thats why you can choose to exterminatus it
plush mason
it becomes a frozen hellscape if you dont blow it up with the reactor
a frozen hellscape controlled by heretics
forest orbit
Yeah they steal suns a lot
tulip sand
Actually dont tell me
Im not there get
Okay so thats in the normal course of operation
forest orbit
More or less.
forest orbit
They steal suns to either troll people or when they need an area of Commorragh lighted up
tulip sand
In just surprised we kill a space marine so early because you hear how a handful of them can beat a planet
plush mason
Okay so thats in the normal course of operation
yeah they use suns to power their city and as traps/weapons at times lol
forest orbit
In just surprised we kill a space marine so early because you hear how a handful...
I mean thats just wank.
Space Marines need full support to even do conquests and can usually barely muster that up depending on the operation or if they want to spend that much manpower on it.
a "handful" of marines cannot do anything
they need logistical support of their Chapter/Warband
celest dome
In just surprised we kill a space marine so early because you hear how a handful...
A single Guardsman with a Plasma gun can oneshot a SM
forest orbit
A single Guardsman with a Plasma gun can oneshot a SM
👆
tulip sand
Surely thats misinterpreted right? I doubt they can actually defeat an entire world but more so a handful of them can incapacitate a rebellion w/surgical strikes and morale impact
celest dome
Surely thats misinterpreted right? I doubt they can actually defeat an entire wo...
The same could be done with Scions or even Guardsmen if used in the right place
forest orbit
but they can still be taken down with the right tactics unless they arent literally going against a legion of homeless cultists.
queen laurel
Yeah they are glorified heavy infantry
forest orbit
at the end of the day they are spec ops tanks
queen laurel
Yep
plush mason
their armor is impressive but any weapon able to take down a light armored vic will cap a SM no problem, and the imperium has a lot of weapons that can do that
forest orbit
^
dapper gyro
It was an old fluff about 50 SMs can take over current earth.
dapper gyro
To show how over the top they are.
forest orbit
It was an old fluff about 50 SMs can take over current earth.
Yeah and even thats unlikely.
We'd annihilate them
the U.S army alone would do it
forest orbit
Also just no plot armor
tulip sand
Which is suspiciously absent in a lot of 40k
dapper gyro
Any European country can do it within hours.
forest orbit
Which is suspiciously absent in a lot of 40k
We need ground battles
thats the excuse
"realistically" you can wipe out most armies with air or orbital support.
tulip sand
"Mr president one of the space marines wears no helmet and is named"
forest orbit
but most just never do this because again cool CQC action
forest orbit
"Mr president one of the space marines wears no helmet and is named"
Its joever....
dapper gyro
You don't even need air forces to kill 50 SMs with modern armies.
tulip sand
I want a 40k book where they subvert expectations with that
queen laurel
Yeah and even thats unlikely.
They land in Texas it's over
forest orbit
I want a 40k book where they subvert expectations with that
There is one
queen laurel
Reduced to slag
forest orbit
Fall of Malevon or whatever
Astartes force lands mid-tyraid invasion
instantly get killed
the guardsman seeing this kills himself
tulip sand
Of course
forest orbit
thats just sad
the book literally ends
with him putting his laspistol into his mouth
god i laughed so bad
tulip sand
Fucking lamenters man
queen laurel
instantly get killed
People forget that they are often deployed against enemies that are way above human play grade and only win because the plot dictates so
forest orbit
People forget that they are often deployed against enemies that are way above hu...
Yeah it depends largely
queen laurel
Yeah it depends largely
Yeah like the reason why most people think of them as unbeatable is because gw portrays them as such in stories
They sell the most after all
tulip sand
Tbh astartes invasion of earth would likely be orbital drop onto a nuclear silo and overriding the missiles to launch
queen laurel
Tbh astartes invasion of earth would likely be orbital drop onto a nuclear silo ...
They won't do that
tulip sand
Not just conventional because thats also their strength, theyre mega brained
queen laurel
They would probably surgically strike very important places on our planet
And forcefully indoctrinate us
dapper gyro
1 Krak grenade can kill a marine in the lore.
tulip sand
I feel like they'd think we were corrupted by slaneesh or smth
queen laurel
I feel like they'd think we were corrupted by slaneesh or smth
Nah
They'd probably just see us us like the usually corrupt humans
Not servants of the chaos gods just scumbags
dapper gyro
Tbh astartes invasion of earth would likely be orbital drop onto a nuclear silo ...
Good luck with that.
tulip sand
1 Krak grenade can kill a marine in the lore.
So, the rejects can beat a CSM
Or at least the veteran can with plasma + krak
celest dome
Yes, again very much
dapper gyro
On paper, if the krak lands on them, yes.
tulip sand
But this would be CQC in a cramped hive
queen laurel
An ogyn if he catches a marine can brutalize one
A psyker no need explanation
And even zealots
Which using their will and sheer anger will definitely find a way to kill marine
dapper gyro
Nah, zealot can't really.
tulip sand
Also arent CSM nominally weaker than loyalist marines or something? Or is that primaris
queen laurel
Also arent CSM nominally weaker than loyalist marines or something? Or is that p...
It comes to physicality yes
Because you know primaris
But they have like
dapper gyro
CSM is as strong + chaos blessings.
queen laurel
A lot of experience
tulip sand
I remember reading a book where an IW saw primaris imperial fists
Said they were super weird
forest orbit
Also arent CSM nominally weaker than loyalist marines or something? Or is that p...
a Chaos Marine can still absolutely body a loyalist
queen laurel
CSM is as strong + chaos blessings.
that too but most of their edge against the loyalist as astartes comes from the fact that
A lot of them have been here a long time
forest orbit
Loyalists got the tactical edge but CSM tend to have more experience/tricks up their sleeve.
tulip sand
Loyalists probably have more supporting assets and a logistics train compared to chaos because its chaos
queen laurel
Loyalists probably have more supporting assets and a logistics train compared to...
Yeah but they can win against the loyalist because of the divine powers of chaos
forest orbit
Loyalists probably have more supporting assets and a logistics train compared to...
At the end of the day it boils down to what Stan Lee always said
queen laurel
Which isn't easy to defend
forest orbit
queen laurel
The writer wins
queen laurel
a lazy answer but the factual truth
Yeah you can have a marine die to a kid suicide charging him with jury rigged melta suicide vest
celest dome
GSC against the Custodes on Terra
queen laurel
GSC against the Custodes on Terra <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Listen young ling wear this shiny vest and charge that golden man over there
tulip sand
Also speaking of trains has anyone played the RT DLC? is that how most ship interiors are?
Literally a favela that keeps expanding onto actively used rail lines and gets obliterated
storm jungle
remember some navymen literally consider underdeckers "sub-human"
and secondly again
the most ruthless bloody regime imaginable
queen laurel
Literally a favela that keeps expanding onto actively used rail lines and gets o...
Even the smallest ship in the imperium are bloody massive
And can have a city
tulip sand
I went down there and got in a few fights, got scammed, and got a rash while i was there
storm jungle
- Entire generations live and die unseen on the bellies of these ships.
tulip sand
As the rogue trader
celest dome
remember some navymen literally consider underdeckers "sub-human"
Tbf, That's what most people in the higher Hive see the lower Hive people too
vagrant fox
A train hasn't passed by in about a hundred and twelve years and suddenly your shantyhut is atomized, such is life in the Imperium
queen laurel
I went down there and got in a few fights, got scammed, and got a rash while i w...
Technical specifications of the viper class sloop
Dimensions: 950 meters long, 250 meters abeam
Mass: 4.9 megatonnes
Crew: 7,500
Acceleration: 6 gravities max
This is one of the smallest
In the bloody imperium
tulip sand
Like there's that one room where a pipe is leaking or smth so moss grows on the walls and they scrape it down into this bubbling vat, which sometimes attracts rats which also fall in, and they turn that into slop for ppl to eat
Shits been in there for centuries
tulip sand
Technical specifications of the viper class sloop
Dimensions: 950 meters long, ...
Im pretty sure we are using a modified falchion or smth, crew of like 30K
vagrant fox
Perpetual stew is supposed to be yummy
tulip sand
Perpetual stew is supposed to be yummy
You can try to taste it but literally everyone told me dont do it
tulip sand
is it kinda like baldurs gate?
Kind of but your camera is more restricted
queen laurel
is it kinda like baldurs gate?
In a sense that its gameplay is like a table top game yeah
tulip sand
If you like 40k you should play it
queen laurel
But it uses a completely different a table top system
tulip sand
But it sounds like you already got it
small grail
so turn based
tulip sand
so turn based
Yes
spring cairn
A train hasn't passed by in about a hundred and twelve years and suddenly your s...
so fucking cool
tulip sand
A train hasn't passed by in about a hundred and twelve years and suddenly your s...
These ships weren't supposed to have rail but the prior RT got it installed
small grail
But it sounds like you already got it
got tests so unable to play thas why i ask
tulip sand
Makes sense
Ive only recently graduated but not having to study and actually being DONE after work is 
Anyways yeah im surprised this ship keeps itself functioning when thats what the internals look like
And they keep most of the people there as reserves so they arent even doing anything until we take losses and theyre needed
small grail
Ive only recently graduated but not having to study and actually being DONE afte...
it do be finals for me so im locked in
once done i have 3 moths of freedom beofre R-DAY
result
dusky timber
Wh40k universe is a bad dream of a kid with god complex and watches too many alien films alongside horror ones
green loom
Aka 80s UK
queen laurel
incase the 80's dominatrix/fetish imagery didnt give it away
I assure you those assassins need those skin tight suits
dusky timber
who ever thought up tzeentch was probably the greatest troll of all time
storm jungle
Hes just your normal trickster asshole god tbh
the inspirations are all kinda there
queen laurel
Hes just your normal trickster asshole god tbh
Yeah i can imagine designer reading about loki and going
Hell yeah
I want that one but a bird
storm jungle
real
outer wave
I want that one but a bird
You should look into the Raven from Canadian aboriginal myth, as it's a trickster archetype of God that is a bird, and has a myth about freeing the sun from a chief in order to bring light to the world.
sly ivy
You should look into the Raven from Canadian aboriginal myth, as it's a trickste...
Not just Canadian — broadly present in most early American population-level clades and likely stemming from their source populations in Eastern Asia: Meletinsky, E.M., 1980. The Epic of the Raven Among the Paleoasiatics: Relations Between Northern Asia and Northwest America in Folklore. Diogenes, 28(110), pp.98-133.
Carried over independently by the multiple lineages who crossed the Bering land bridge.
/ island hopped
sly ivy
Yeah it’s pretty cool. There are still some peoples in northeastern Asia who live in the traditional way, and it’s really obvious that there’s close cultural and linguistic affinity to the various American groups
Multiple crossings into North America too, maybe 5 or more, colleagues tell me. Some are totally extinct lol known only from remains
Evidence of violence suggests wiped out by subsequent migrations
Humans gonna human
Also the date for the first migrations keeps getting older. Used to be like 12, 15000 but there’s published and unpublished stuff that says 30 or 40 and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were pushed back even more.
Anyway raven myths probably at least that old.
Lorgar in shambles
outer wave
Insanely old
sly ivy
Insanely old
First divergence among living humans prob just shy of 300000 years from current genetic and fossil / arch evidence.
Between Khoisan and related subsaharan hunter-gatherer populations and everyone else.
Fan, S., Spence, J.P., Feng, Y., Hansen, M.E., Terhorst, J., Beltrame, M.H., Ranciaro, A., Hirbo, J., Beggs, W., Thomas, N. and Nyambo, T., 2023. Whole-genome sequencing reveals a complex African population demographic history and signatures of local adaptation. Cell, 186(5), pp.923-939.
Human history and evolution is the greatest story
IMHO no one who delves into it can come away without a sense of awe and… wonder at the near-miraculous felicity of it all
One reason I like 40k is it’s a kind of mirror of that reality
Complete with monsters at the edge of the firelight and actual hostile sentient beings
(The other hominids; and there’s direct evidence for conflict there)
Also re ravens
sly ivy
Yes he is literally named raven lol
outer wave
IMHO no one who delves into it can come away without a sense of awe and… wonder ...
Its wild how far humans travelled back in the day, and managed to survive things like the ice age to the point that they could traverse for hundreds of miles across the pacific ocean
sly ivy
Its wild how far humans travelled back in the day, and managed to survive things...
Insane. And like Homo erectus, with a fraction of our mental capacity, did it before we did (not the new world tho)
And before even that random Lucy-type archaic ape men did it
Because they ended up in Indonesia (the “hobbits”)
sly ivy
I do an intro class on the history of life and the mankind section is headed “The conqueror ape”
We also killed and ate everything in our path including other hominids
We r tyranids
outer wave
Yeah we kinda are
sly ivy
Everything in 40k even the aliens is just a distorted reflection of humanity haha
Eldar obviously end stage societal decadence
Tyranids early stage boundless consumption
Orks all-stages dumbassness
outer wave
Necrons holding onto past empires
outer wave
True!!!!
sharp pollen
hallow saddle
We also killed and ate everything in our path including other hominids
neanderthal bros...
vagrant fox
This won't stop showing up in my youtube recommendations
sharp pollen
i want Music to smoke icho-pipes like ratling
sly ivy
neanderthal bros...
That’s ok they will always be with us
Well many of us
Dat neanderthussy
hallow saddle
woah thats a lot of coverage
sly ivy
Yes everyone except sessile subsaharan Africans basically
Which more or less corresponds to geographic overlap between us and other hominids.
misty vector
What does denisovan mean?
hallow saddle
another type of ancient hominid
sly ivy
It’s a clade of stem humans probably sister to Neanderthals
Effectively the “eastern” species of Neanderthal
misty vector
Ahh i see
sly ivy
This tree is probably ok
Hobbits or homo floresiensis down around habilis, maybe more basal
Which btw means they aren’t actually dwarf humans they’re just small because really ancient stuff on the human line was small. They’re about the same size as Lucy.
(Who is A. afarensis)
vagrant fox
Aren't they likely to have suffered from insular dwarfism
sly ivy
I don’t think so. Maybe a little bit but the original idea was they were erectus grade
Which means yes
But actually they’re basically australopiths
Which means their size isn’t unusual for their evolutionary grade with respect to crown Homo
vagrant fox
Last I read they were homo habilis, crazy how it changes so fast
sly ivy
what’s amazing is that things that are basically chimps on two legs made it all the way out there
Habilis is also really small, but their feet etc are distinctly more primitive than habilis
They may be like a few inches shorter than their ancestors but not massively dwarfed
vagrant fox
The more you know, while I worked in archaeology I didn't look so much outside of the ice age to early viking age
considering that was all I worked with
sly ivy
Archaeology is great. What I really love is that genetics in very large part actually supports a lot of conclusions that were based on material cultures and even on traditional origin stories.
It’s true. All of it.
rose thorn
you can tell this was made by a european lmao
sly ivy
… what
It’s a map of Neanderthal and Denisovan introgression
Coverage is global
Do you understand the figure?
Not an attack actual question. I can explain it.
vagrant fox
The source seems to be from someones blog, where he says it's very tenative
sly ivy
It’s fairly accurate
The point is there’s nothing in the figure to suggest euro bias or whatever
sly ivy
It’s fairly accurate
Speaking with familiarity w the primary lit
I’m actually a skeptic on some of the purported introgressions
I think might be overestimated owing to incomplete lineage sorting
(Population genetic effect)
vagrant fox
Could be accurate, but I wouldn't use material from the guy. Going on about critical race theory, and commenters using (((jew))) brackets
sly ivy
Bruh it is entirely not serious to critique source in this way but I can find figs from the primary sources
This is an accurate depiction
vagrant fox
I'm not having a go at you, but if it were me I'd find other sources
sly ivy
I am ret@rded in general but this is my field
Sure lemme find another
vagrant fox
While no, it's not serious, but going through this guys blog it reads like a neckbeard race phrenologist acting like a intellectual that he isn't
as they say, yuckers
vagrant fox
Caring about things isn't a crime
Interesting it's higher in Manchuria, Japan and Papua New Guinea
and Bhurma-ish
sly ivy
Abi-Rached, L., Jobin, M.J., Kulkarni, S., McWhinnie, A., Dalva, K., Gragert, L., Babrzadeh, F., Gharizadeh, B., Luo, M., Plummer, F.A. and Kimani, J., 2011. The shaping of modern human immune systems by multiregional admixture with archaic humans. Science, 334(6052), pp.89-94.
Yeah but caring about shit like that is illiberal and silly
Imo
I understand yours too
I just don’t agree
Also like the antiwokes annoy the shit out of me but as someone in academia I can tell you that there is in fact some loony lefty stuff going on, including things that are probably illegal according to the civil rights act. But that’s not for this chat sorry.