40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-insect-glaive-kinsect-mh-wilds-whatever-go-my-scarab-gif-13714675391602271338

I am going insane waiting for Monster Hunter Wilds

to release

[queen laurel]

well if doom was actually a lot more sane he would actually accomplish basically anything

in an alternate reality he fixed everything in the world

after forgiving reed

but unfortunately the doom gotta doom

[queen laurel]

I need to get into the Monster Hunter series with an actual Monster Hunter i've only been playing stories

[arctic talon]

Play wilds

[rose thorn]

Damn I love scarab beetles

[arctic talon]

its good

[rose thorn]

I only played the online game and the one on the psp

I wanan get into monster hunter

[queen laurel]

yeah I'm thinking of that's gonna be my entrance to the series I just probably need to turn down every setting of graphics to the lowest it can go

my PC is struggling

[arctic talon]

Try the benchmark

if you haven't

but yeah the games intense on settings

[arctic talon]

Then you can have an insect glaive

[rose thorn]

I KNOWWW

[arctic talon]

and tell your scarab kinesect to harvest drugs extracts

[queen laurel]

i would probably go hammer no surprise it is literally

a giant hammer

but wilds can gonna bring you multiple weapons so

i can then have the heavy bow gun for the true ork build

[arctic talon]

Hammer is fun

[arctic talon]

Yeah but then you can't power clash smh

Don't you want to literally be stronger then a dragon like 10x your size

[queen laurel]

true

what weapon is that

[arctic talon]

powerclashes can occur with any weapon with a block/guard system

[queen laurel]

so gun lance

[arctic talon]

so Greatsword, gunlance, lance, heavy bowgun, chargeblade and sword and shield

[queen laurel]

my favorite weapons are heavy bow gun, gunlance and hammer

how many can you bring in a hunt in wilds

because you can weapon switch which is a first in the series

[arctic talon]

2 weapons

One primary

one backup on your mount

your chicken seikrt can hold onto whatever weapon is inactive

[queen laurel]

so i can do the american build with primary gunlance and a machine gun velociraptor

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

aight i'm in

[arctic talon]

they made gunlance not feel like shit to use

[queen laurel]

the raptor is not like my kushala but it will do

oops too big

welp

[arctic talon]

Tbh I like the new focus attack mechanics

mostly because the animations are all really cool lol

[queen laurel]

i will miss my good friend

[arctic talon]

lol

I'm glad MH wilds

isn't keeping the Rise Kinesect system

I really enjoy kinsect rearing

[queen laurel]

wyvern riding seems fun though

[arctic talon]

Tbh Rises kinsect system where you just buy them

is kind of lame

[queen laurel]

you basically have the craft it in the older games right

[arctic talon]

yeah you craft them + feed them stuff

well

"craft"

but yeah it interacts with the forge system despite it in lore being the same bug that you're like

giving armor/food to lol aside from the base tier ones

[queen laurel]

yeah probably the most consistent use of creatures in warhammer

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

Someone found the insect and decided to combine them with a glaive in that world

the bloody madman somehow did it and i respect him

[arctic talon]

The kinesects are domesticated animals and the end of the insect glaive has a big pouch of like kinesect pheromones to help give orders

[queen laurel]

Domesticated animals need to be more common in Monster Hunter

i'm glad we are getting our own velociraptor rise has the rideable dog

ice borne also added the

taming of small monsters in the field

[arctic talon]

mhm

tbh does the dog even count as an animal

like

its as smart as a human like Palicos lol

the Serkit is an actual animal, same with the kinsects

[queen laurel]

yeah fair point

[arctic talon]

Like

Aside from the part where its on all 4's lol

it can talk like Palicos

[queen laurel]

yeah it seems like a very very smart animal

[arctic talon]

Idk are Palicos animals?

like

[queen laurel]

i mean i guess i would consider them another race

[arctic talon]

yeah

even though they're just

really large upright walking cats

[queen laurel]

yeah so i would consider the dogs as like another race i guess

but they willingly let themselves be ridden into battle

even with the danger of the fact that you are hunting a giant monster

[arctic talon]

yeah because its their fuckin job lol

[queen laurel]

What's the velociraptor called again

the one we're getting in wilds

[arctic talon]

Seikret

[queen laurel]

yeah the only actually animal intelligence creature we are getting

[arctic talon]

yeah

[queen laurel]

besides the kinsect

[arctic talon]

Its literally a giant bird lol

well

lizard bird thing

dinosaur

its got feathers

[queen laurel]

yeah it's literally a velociraptor

but bigger and looks more like an actual

bird

oh yeah i forgot

wind drakes are also domesticated right

[arctic talon]

yeah

well

some

but yes the ones the hunters use are domesticated animals

[queen laurel]

OK so we have a beetle a velociraptor and a giant wing pterodactyl

we also use herbivores for transport and stuff

[arctic talon]

oh also Arkveld the flagship like

dragon being an Extinct Species is interesting

[queen laurel]

what

just dragon?

no elder

[arctic talon]

Well

its not classified as an elder dragon techncially

Wilds is the first time its been run into

and its species is extinct

so uh.........

presumably its classified as an Elder dragon level thing

[queen laurel]

are they pulling frontier on us

[arctic talon]

but its kind of impossible to tell

what the fuck its like

[queen laurel]

A so-called extinct thing but apparently it's just wandering around in this place

[arctic talon]

history is

I mean

its classified as extinct because theres bones that resemble it

and its the only known living member

idk maybe there will be more

maybe story wise its just one

who the fuck knows lol

I find it highly unlikely its the final boss since its on the main cover

[queen laurel]

are you talking about the one with like the rock whips

attach on its arms

[arctic talon]

Yes

This thing

[queen laurel]

so this is the dragon type monster that's only called apparently a dragon

Not a flying wyvern or something

[arctic talon]

Its referred to as a Wyvern

Chain Blade Wyvern is the given nickname

point being its an unknown/unclassified species

thats potentially extinct aside from the one in game

[queen laurel]

but it would look so good on my skin

so sorry research team i'm going to have to wear it and turn its spine into a gun

[arctic talon]

tbh

you are being ordered to kill it

for one reason or another

I'd assume story wise its so extremely dangerous it has to go even if its the last of its kind

[queen laurel]

to be fair the researchers way of dealing with the creature is kill first dissect later

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[queen laurel]

how many times have we seen a new elder dragon and we decide to

[arctic talon]

well

[queen laurel]

skin it immediately

[arctic talon]

those aren't the only ones of their kind

So go stab it

[queen laurel]

i shanked it with sharp metal stick and then blew up its insides

[arctic talon]

good job

ngl I wonder if there's going to be a proper gathering hub in wilds

since the camp is no offense

a shithole lol

like thats obviously the point that its super not developed

but it would be nice if there was something that was like actually like nice and not a total adhoc thing

[queen laurel]

like an outpost or something that you can stop by

[arctic talon]

Idk

Airship maybe

since there's so much focus on roaming the Gathering hub being an airship would be cool

[queen laurel]

yeah let's just hope that they can deal with the somehow random thunderstorms

[arctic talon]

it would be neat if story wise this wasn't the middle of bumfuck nowhere

Like they thought this place was uninhabited by people 💀

@queen laurel I've got a good question for you, what do you think the most common Elder Dragon is population wise

[queen laurel]

hmm

i don't know

nergi ?

he kinda acts like the elder dragon balance

so i would not be surprise if there's plenty of him around

[arctic talon]

I think its Kirin

for one reason

there's an ingredient for cooking in MH3 called Kirin butter

as in they milked a Kirin for milk

and its not like some super rare one either

either that or Chamelos since like

its a giant chamelon that eats plants

its also a dragon but don't worry about that

[queen laurel]

how the fuck do you milk a kirin

[arctic talon]

idfk

ask it nicely?

[queen laurel]

a kirin, the horse fast enough to literally run so fast it becomes lightning

people of monster hunter something else

[arctic talon]

idk maybe some are friendly

[queen laurel]

maybe

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/Azn6r5wTd48?si=WoRbcorI8vs4klm4 this actually looks pretty good i'm not gonna lie

[arctic talon]

I do think that Chameleos is prolly the most common elder dragon

it literally eats trees

the only reason you get told to kill any is because they're eating too many trees LOL

[queen laurel]

yeah it would definitely help with the rampant growth of some of the environments in Monster Hunter

[arctic talon]

Its fun tbh

at least it looks fun

[queen laurel]

because there are literally monsters that can affect the growth of plant life

[arctic talon]

Chameleos's last apperance was rise/sunbreak

wonder if it'll be in WIlds

funny invisble dragon

[queen laurel]

you think they're throwing my favorite Tiger trex back in wilds

after all he's kind of just

invades every place he wanders into

[arctic talon]

goofy creature

[arctic talon]

maybe

It was in the last 2 titles

actually it hasn't missed a fucking game since 4U lol

so I'd say yeah its got a high chance of showing up

[queen laurel]

and to be honest even if he doesn't show up i wouldn't mind

because apparently gravolos is back

the armored ******* that has just every type of gas for some reason

thanks basarios you just needed to be a literal chemical warfare specialist

[arctic talon]

I do like how wilds is just

kind of picking whatever from the grab bag

we probably are never seeing the water based monsters again though lol

[queen laurel]

they plenty of frontier options

if this zogger can get in a lot of them can

[arctic talon]

I wonder if any of the larger creatures meat is edible

[queen laurel]

i want to eat rathalos meat

spicy wyvern ribs

[arctic talon]

Tbh I’d assume for a lot of the big monsters

Their meat is way too tough to eat

[queen laurel]

yeah imagine biting something like

Tigrex meat

the muscle structure of the bloody thing would probably make it too gamey

[balmy tusk]

🔥

[plush mason]

the airships are a new world invention iirc

the commision made them sepecifically because it was so hard to get into the inner regions

oh wait no there was the one made in 4u

never played that one so no idea what happened to the airship in it

[misty vector]

Iirc theres a cutscene where valstrax fucks with an airship too

Or mightve been astalos? It was def in mh gen

Cant wait for wilds though, hbg and swaxe look like theyre gonna be peak

[celest dome]

What are we, some kind of Horus heresy

[plush mason]

as a HBG main i am so so so happy with wild's changes to it

the fact it's clash is literally just us shoving the barrel down he monster's throat or into its face and pulling the trigger is just peak

[misty vector]

Its cinema

The focus shot is a bit boring though

And im def gonna miss crouching shot from sunbreak

[green loom]

This line actually makes me want to vomit

[rocky gale]

In an alternate universe it was

"This is no longer Dorn's lie, It is his Deception"

[tough haven]

Is it heresy back in 30k? I thought the imperial truth still reigned back then

[burnt kraken]

when do you cross the line between being a lil silly and serving a chaos god

Can you be a degenerate without being influenced by slaneesh

or be a gladiator who slaughters everything without khorne

and once in service of a choas god is it ever possible to walk away

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nostalgia-critic-doug-walker-meme-gif-24643094

[green loom]

When you start serving the god

[green loom]

Save via death not really

[burnt kraken]

so you need to consciously choose to

[green loom]

Ye

I mean you'll maybe get manipulated into it

But it'll end up being your choice

[burnt kraken]

are there examples where people go "no thanks" after they have chosen to serve

[vagrant fox]

Usually when they die horribly

[storm jungle]

Yeah it sucks a lot for them.

[tough haven]

Not my honorably Rogue Trader!

[gray umbra]

the moment u start making poop paintings

[celest dome]

Even then it's not a fool proof way

[arctic talon]

Your soul goes to the chaos god

Lol

[celest dome]

Or the God revive you

[tough haven]

Has there ever been a time a chaos cultist turns their back on their god and just lets go of the chaos life?

[vagrant fox]

I guess that one Daemonblood story might count

or from what I can read, Requiem Infernal

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/n1e5tm/excerpts_various_dark_coil_stories_even_in_the/

[dusk patrol]

Gaunt's Ghosts has a major character who did this.

[tough haven]

I dont see how you ever repent or come back from that, when just knowing you touched chaos will get you a bullet in the head

[outer wave]

Watching Creature Commandos for first time after watching a bunch of clips on youtube, I REALLY like the Princess' VA

I dunno why, but the eastern european accent is kinda sexy

[storm jungle]

Creature Commandos is peak

also agreed on the second statement

[outer wave]

SHES SO SEXY

Anyway Im enjoying this

I wasnt expecting the high guard of the princess to be strangely good natured tbh

[storm jungle]

Same, they are like himbo space marines 💀

[outer wave]

You know what

If there was a space marine chapter of himbos

I'd be down for that

[storm jungle]

lmao

[outer wave]

I think they'd be really funny and nice to be around

[vagrant fox]

eastern european accents sounds like bike theft according to life experiences

[outer wave]

Oooof

[storm jungle]

LOL

[vagrant fox]

my bike is somewhere in russia now 😔

[outer wave]

Id make a joke but current day stuff so

[sharp pollen]

YOO guys check out this bike i bought today

[vagrant fox]

c'est la vie, just know when Russian sailors come to port lock up your outdoor things

but you might also be able to buy an AK

[storm jungle]

i legit love

how authentic this picture is

the shitty reailings

the shitty apartment wall paint

the shitty stone stairs

the shitty wall heater

god

[vagrant fox]

Pure soul

[sharp pollen]

oh you mean
"Home..."

[storm jungle]

same

we got places like that in here turkey too so

[vagrant fox]

Oh that's the shit with the glowing skeleton, is it good or is it just memes?

[storm jungle]

Its James Gunn

aka automatic peak

highly recommend it

Also I hope you enjoy going through the effects of the classic Gunn'isms that is:

"Gunn you better not make me headbang and download a song I never heard of before again."

He does it

"Fuck"

[vagrant fox]

I've only seen his Scooby Doo stuff

[storm jungle]

holy shit you are missing out

have you watched anything he did

in the last 10 years

[vagrant fox]

uh

I played Lolipop Chainsaw, which he wrote for

around 2012

[outer wave]

Why does this random old lady have a smoking hot man as her background

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀

[storm jungle]

ngl

the most accurate part

[outer wave]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

i had like

2 aunts who actually had shit like that on their phone

[outer wave]

Damn thats pretty funny

[storm jungle]

My favorite part is also the classic eastern europe vibe

Every place is shit

such a mood

[outer wave]

Yeah just the castle is nice

Everything else is run down and crime ridden

[sharp pollen]

i remember having Billy Herington on my phone wallpaper for 1 day cause haha funi

[storm jungle]

^

[sharp pollen]

well then i realised it was dumb and i switched back to my Frostpunk poster wallpaper

[storm jungle]

understandable

it was either gonna be that or David Hasselhoff

[outer wave]

Could've had both

[sharp pollen]

oh i also had the female guardsman art on my wallpaper

for like a week

i think you know what im talking about

[arctic talon]

I don’t

[sharp pollen]

this sexy bitch

[storm jungle]

lmaooo

[arctic talon]

Oh

[storm jungle]

minka lensk

[hasty coral]

So I just got to THAT reveal in Rogue Trader during Void Shadows with the Genestealers and

MAAAAAAAAN

Fuck

[arctic talon]

[hasty coral]

Feels bad man

[arctic talon]

Yep

[storm jungle]

Wait which one

[hasty coral]

Act 4

[storm jungle]

im dumb i may have missed it

no i did act 4, can you spoiler-tell me just to be sure

[hasty coral]

||Einrich is a Genestealer||

[storm jungle]

AH yeah

[hasty coral]

FUUUUUUUCK

He was so chill

[storm jungle]

honestly when that reveal happened I was like

"GOD DAMN IT DUDE, I TRUSTED YOU"

[hasty coral]

Born one as well

Bro had NO chance

[storm jungle]

HE WAS SO SEXY AS WELL

[hasty coral]

Fucking genestealers

[storm jungle]

LITERAL MECHANIC BOYFRIEND

[arctic talon]

People who tell me 4th gen hybrids can’t blend in

[storm jungle]

He had a wig....

[hasty coral]

The googles were crazy

Damn

I knew as well

Nothing we could do

Genestealers are mega fucked

Mentally

[storm jungle]

If he was a sexy wide-hipped Magus I could be swayed

but alas

[arctic talon]

Yeah lol

[storm jungle]

no dice

[hasty coral]

Poor bastard

[arctic talon]

Wonder how the wig was stuck on

[hasty coral]

He didn’t have a chance at a normal life

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[hasty coral]

Was born one

[storm jungle]

Eh he probably stapled it

[hasty coral]

From birth he was a slave to the goddamn tyranids

[arctic talon]

Lol

[hasty coral]

Sigh

[storm jungle]

to be fair

it was either tyranids

[hasty coral]

Fucking tyranids man

[storm jungle]

or being a slave to an imperial underdeck ship

[hasty coral]

I GUESS

[arctic talon]

Tbf

He already was a slave

Well

He’s above the other slaves lol

[storm jungle]

^

[hasty coral]

But I was nice to them!!!!

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately uh

[storm jungle]

thats what you get for being nice

you motherfucker

[arctic talon]

GLORY TO THE 4 ARMED EMPEROR

[hasty coral]

Again I don’t hate him

He couldn’t do anything

[storm jungle]

yeah no like

[hasty coral]

From birth

[arctic talon]

Oh no he’s great

[hasty coral]

He was completely enslaved

[storm jungle]

i get genestealer cults when like,

[arctic talon]

||einrich|| is genuinely

[storm jungle]

you see what society they grow up in

[arctic talon]

A good character imo

[storm jungle]

aka imperium

[arctic talon]

Also even if you’re iconoclast

He does make good points

[hasty coral]

Until the end he still calls you a tyrant

[storm jungle]

also this yeah, the fact that the reveal hurts goes to show you actually cared about him

[hasty coral]

Partly true but

[storm jungle]

WELL

YEAH LMAO

[hasty coral]

Also partly his brain parasite

[arctic talon]

You are a tyrant

Tbf

You’re just a benevolent one

[hasty coral]

I’m a O K tyrant

[storm jungle]

^

[hasty coral]

I try ok

[arctic talon]

His criticism are all valid

Even if you’re iconoclastic

[hasty coral]

Void Shadows is such a banger it’s insane

[arctic talon]

Now granted he’s also like

A deranged cultist

But still, he makes valid points and is well written

[hasty coral]

How DO Genestealers work anyway?

How old are they as an evolution of the Tyranids?

[arctic talon]

Very

So how it works

[hasty coral]

And by that logic how smart ARE the tyranids?

[arctic talon]

Is a genestealer “kisses”

A person

And when that person has kids they have a gen 1 genestealer hybrid

[hasty coral]

Yeah the head honcho infiltrates

Infects

[arctic talon]

Then when the gen 1 hybrids have a kid

[hasty coral]

And spreads

[arctic talon]

They make a gen 2 one

Ect.

[hasty coral]

I get that but how do the Tyranids know such subtlety?

[arctic talon]

They’re intelligent

[hasty coral]

That’s

[arctic talon]

They do stratageize

[hasty coral]

THAT intelligent?

[arctic talon]

To an extent

Yes

[hasty coral]

That’s horrifying

[arctic talon]

Genestealers are really smart

They’re sapient

But most synapse nids are sentient creatures

Very smart animals

[hasty coral]

But as well utilizing the already existing imperial faith and the unrest of imperial cities?!

That’s like

[arctic talon]

If not sapient in the case of some bigger ones

[hasty coral]

Insane levels of subtlety

[arctic talon]

They do also try with stuff like Tau

But it fails to do as well

Since tau eugenics program

[hasty coral]

Do we have any knowledge of if the Tyranids have a BIG bad?

[arctic talon]

Not really

Unless you count the hivemind itself

But that’s the gestalt mind of all the tyranids

[storm jungle]

^

The Hivemind is the big bad

its the supreme multi-minded "thing" that sees otu of the eyes of every single tyranid in the galaxy.

[arctic talon]

People assume nids are dumb and stupid when, they really aren’t

[storm jungle]

but its like a meeting of minds, not even a person

[arctic talon]

They just normally just

Don’t need to engage in it

They can just run shit over with sheer numbers

[storm jungle]

Yeah nids are stupid when they basically gotta act as mindless monsters for media purposes.

when theres no plot armor involvement they are super OP

theres a reason when Nids make planetfall most of the time its game over

[arctic talon]

Warzone octarius was fun

Because we got to see hive tyrants strategizing

Lol

Because the usual method of just run them over with 10 morbillion nids doesn’t work

But yeah genestealers are terrifyingly smart

Even by nid standards

They exhibit the most independent thinking by far

[storm jungle]

they basically figured out the infinite money glitch of how exploitable the human reproduction system is lol

[arctic talon]

Also getting the kiss from a genestealer

Makes you incredibly horny

Thank you for that lore GW

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Well gotta get it started somehow

[arctic talon]

But yeah I do love how the genestealer cult is presented

In rogue trader

[storm jungle]

same its very well written

[arctic talon]

Also they’re presented as an actual threat

Which sometimes fails to happen

@hasty coral for an example of nid intelligence

The Deathleaper is known to have been on the Missionary World of St Caspalen. The St Caspalen Planetary Defence Force became increasingly afraid as all across the world watchguards and sentries were mysteriously vanishing, only to be found days later with their brains sucked out. Soon the St Caspalen soldiers were so afraid that they were jumping at every shadow or unexplained sound. In an attempt to ease their own fears, they gave the unidentified creature the name "Deathleaper". As Hive Fleet Leviathan approached, the Deathleaper instinctively sensed that killing the planet's spiritual leader, Cardinal Salem, would only make the planet harder to devour, as it would create a martyr and steel the resolve of the people against the coming swarm. So the Deathleaper instead infiltrated the Cardinal's cathedral-bunker and slaughtered his advisors right in front him, leaving the Cardinal unharmed but drenched in the blood and viscera of his aides. The Deathleaper repeated his process for ten days, each time bypassing the ever increasing security around the Cardinal, coming within killing distance of the Cardinal but always retreating before harming him. This lead to the Cardinal becoming paranoid and eventually losing his sanity, and did more to break the morale of St Caspalen than simply executing their spiritual leader would have. When Leviathan invaded, the world was in confusion and terror and was easy prey.

[raven stone]

Even before the DLC, that one GSC map event in Rogue Trader was peak. Even if the actual fight wasn’t tuned well.

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[hasty coral]

Rogue Trader as a whole is just

It’s so much fun

So much depth

[storm jungle]

Its probably one of my top 40k games next to Dorktide

really hope they do Dark Heresy next

[raven stone]

Arguably the best RPG adaptation.
Well, maybe the only one thus far, but it already takes the cake.

[raven stone]

Imagine if they not only do that, but then make the files somehow cross compatible, like how in the original the two sectors were neighbours.

[arctic talon]

I think it gets the 40k setting to a T

[raven stone]

It had best of 3rd edition whilst keeping the lighter tones of 10th

[arctic talon]

I mean

[raven stone]

Best of both worlds lorewise.

[arctic talon]

I’m not sure what you mean by that

Because 40k lore is pretty consistently the same vibe imo

[raven stone]

Hmm….I think, oddly, it’s the narrative style

They kept the narrative tone like the 3rd edition era lore segments

[arctic talon]

Oh

Like with the

Paper book sections

Yeah

[raven stone]

But the overall arcs, events and trajectory of the story is light like 10th

Yea, as you say, those sections.

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/INKnbs4KyE0?t=241

I remember being sad when it was finally over as I sad in my room at night in the dark listening to this

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-mcu-exhale-thanos-infinity-stone-gif-16660976

[arctic talon]

I mean 10th isn’t light

I’m not sure what 10e lore you’ve been reading

[arctic talon]

Good ending ost

I love the one trillion fucking slides

Lol

[glossy sonnet]

fr

[raven stone]

Ok, fair, but at the same time, 10th..I don’t know, it…felt a bit more…pop-culture ish.
Can’t quite put my finger on it, it feels different from 3rd.

[glossy sonnet]

i love rogue trader

i have 100 hours in rogue trader and i still havent even beaten it

[storm jungle]

LMAO

my man

[raven stone]

Despite the lore not having fully changed.

[arctic talon]

It’s just more popular now

Nothing has changed in tone

Imo

[storm jungle]

post 8th edition 40k has definitely been made more accessible, I get what you mean though.

[raven stone]

I mean I keep restarting my runs so…

[glossy sonnet]

i keep wanting to but ive forced myself not to

[arctic talon]

People getting friction burns from primarchs

I blame Horus heresy

[storm jungle]

Speaking of

[arctic talon]

and memes

[storm jungle]

lemme check the site again

[arctic talon]

Please no

[storm jungle]

wow

for once no new ones yet

[arctic talon]

Point being 8e to 10e is just as grimdark as past editions

Imo

the tone of the setting hasn’t really changed at all

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Russ

die

[raven stone]

Yea, I think a more correct assessment would be for me to say…
I like the narrative style of 3rd edition, compared to 10th.
Even if the lore has not shifted much (post Cadia blowing up not withstanding)

[arctic talon]

Mhm

I only dislike the space wolves for one reason

Because their naming scheme is absurdly uncreative

[raven stone]

But I also like how 10th doesn’t go off the deep end of the Grimdark like 3rd did lol.

[arctic talon]

Tbh 10th has some pretty

Hilariously excessive things

Like the entire control center crew getting killed for getting a specific access code that’s TOP SECRET

No clue how that works

[storm jungle]

it works imo

people are cheap

[arctic talon]

No like

[raven stone]

Ok fair, but I mean, that still works due to Top Secret
Not…3rd edition’s “Imperial Navy hand loads battleship shells” excessive.

[arctic talon]

How do they know

The code lol

Is my point

Like….. how the fuck does that work

I guess the cogitator just analyzes it

Tbh

And then everyone in the room gets murdered

[storm jungle]

stop questioning it you little rat

[arctic talon]

Yes

Compliance

Anyways uh…….

Owlcat if you make another 40k CRPG

I will play it regardless

[glossy sonnet]

whats another 100 hours

[arctic talon]

Also probably make the plot slightly less deranged even though I did enjoy the plot it def stretched itself a bit thin by the end lol

[arctic talon]

Real

[outer wave]

GI POG!!!!

Sorry for interrupting

[glossy sonnet]

owlcat please put in more voice acting

[arctic talon]

They said the next game they make will have full voice work

Because BG3 for better or worse

[glossy sonnet]

sweet

[arctic talon]

Set a new standard

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-robot-creature-commando-not-see-squinting-suspicous-gif-2280254102439360783

[glossy sonnet]

if games like bg3 become the standard

wow that'd be crazy

[arctic talon]

Well

More so in presentation

[glossy sonnet]

probably very expensive though

and slow to produce

[arctic talon]

Full voice work

Is the thing Owlcat points out as like

The “standard” from now on

For them at least

[storm jungle]

GI ROBOT IS PEAK

least violent skitarii

[outer wave]

Too bad ||he's kinda dead atm||

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Did you finish the series?

[arctic talon]

Nah

They’re watching it rn

[outer wave]

I just finished episode 3

[vagrant fox]

Eve Online but warhams, make that Owlcat

[outer wave]

I do know a bunch of spoilers because I was watching a lot of clips but still

God the princess is so charming

I also love how absolutely childish Frankenstein is

[raven stone]

I do have to rain on the parade a bit though

Our ship in Rogue Trader is far too OP

For it to be a Firestorm hull lol

Should be Light cruiser minimum

[arctic talon]

Give us a battle cruiser lol

[raven stone]

Different ship hulls would be truly peak for Rogue Trader as well

Would be the first thing I swap out, just for the inaccuracy…

[rose thorn]

Warhammer naval combat game when

When the hell did boats matters

In warhammer

[raven stone]

To clarify you mean Warhammer Fantasy?

Cause for 40k we have Battlefleet Gothic

[storm jungle]

^

BFG2 is also like legit great

tho i could never play the game i just watched the cutscenes, the gameplay is too confusing lol

[raven stone]

I did the Imperium campaign, and let’s just say…
…even on normal mode, you just realized that even with IoM’s infamous tendency to recruit everything…

…you will never have enough to keep invasions off lol.

[arctic talon]

Battlefleet gothic armada 2

Is really good lol

[raven stone]

So many system invasions…

[rose thorn]

Like boats

[arctic talon]

Oh

My bad lmao

Aside from the AI being total shit at Nids, eldar, space marines

It’s very good

[raven stone]

Ok then yea we lack a Warhammer Fantasy naval game

[rose thorn]

I know warhammer FB has a dead as hell boat game

[arctic talon]

Dreadfleet

Lol

[raven stone]

I dunno, maybe I am just too mid or casual, but I dreaded fighting Nids in the IoM campaign lol

[rose thorn]

Didn’t it have like 4 models

[arctic talon]

Nah they’re scary, the AI just rams with stuff not meant for ramming

So they just kill themselves

[raven stone]

Oh lol

[arctic talon]

But yeah the AI plays nids the least bad

Out of the 3 it’s bad at

It’s really bad at eldar and marines

Like really really really bad

[celest dome]

Man o'war
Dreadfleet

[storm jungle]

I legit could not bother ngl

it sucks because the game's plot is LEGIT peak

a third game was gonna happen too but GW fucked it up

I had a friend that was a concept artist on the game that leaked me some of it

(she also has every single ship model from the game which was super cool)

[arctic talon]

Ngl I would have preferred it was slightly more sane

[storm jungle]

Honestly same but its also still so good

Spire is basically a gary stu but hes so likable it makes me come around to loving him

[arctic talon]

Honestly the chaos campaign is def the weakest one

The Cron one is also great

[storm jungle]

Cron one is like

legendary

its just the top form of "Necrons if they had no plot-restrictions"

💀

[sharp pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221313684440481792/1342911472065314941/Degenerate_cespool.mov?ex=67bb5b45&is=67ba09c5&hm=c37aea6d15c1cde492ce54dbe05b9ea63c3c8b1e9da019d8ad7566f9354416af&

[rose thorn]

Crying

[storm jungle]

damn, rip stock

[green loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735819155608961044/1168585619048517774/good_evening.mp4?ex=67bb4b2a&is=67b9f9aa&hm=724e1657c4fd660e55196089ddd4c75cccd9891922d6a92e5dfd31e5df921974&

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, he's not a gary stu on the virtue of being likeable

and also actually having a personality

[storm jungle]

thats what I mean!!!!

[opaque coyote]

yes i know!!!!!

it's just that people kinda mistake mary sues or whatever for being that because they're powerful or do a bunch of bullshit

but people also forget that fiction requires a lot of bullshit for it to work at times

and also reality does as well

ffs, if the year 2025 was made into a book, people would be criticizing it for being unrealistic

https://tenor.com/view/scug-gif-8603184398529269655

unrelated gif

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/slugcat-rain-world-gif-7210845820092446870

[opaque coyote]

Y'know I just realized that Princess Bubblegum is essentially just a worse Emperor.

She even had her own version of the thunder warriors incident.

Peppermint Butler might as well be Malcador.

Even has the same mysterious dark magic vibes

They also have the same major problem. They think that they and they alone know what's best for everyone, and proceed to make it every one else's problem.

[raven stone]

I liked how they put in actual story efforts for multiple campaigns and their victories all make sense.
The Chaos victory is sick

(The good sort of sick, not Nurgle sick lol)

[opaque coyote]

"A toast... to the warmaster!"

Also the Thousand Son looking down at the table was probably like

"Bruh wtf how am i supposed to eat this shit."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bGF35ZgF3k

[arctic talon]

take off his helmet

smh

[opaque coyote]

I mean the bones and raw meat

and blood

[raven stone]

Ah yes,
Also I actually admire them for just outright having the balls to make the Word Bearers a Thanos expy (in terms of appearance)

[opaque coyote]

and shit

seriously none of the shit there is like

actual food

[raven stone]

As well as the “Chaos is inevitable” line.
Yes, it is cheesy, they copied Marvel writing, but it is done in such a way it shows the devs GET 40k

Not just the lore, but the attitude.

…damn now I am tempted to watch the Chaos campaign cutscenes…

[opaque coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWEH4sjqlmY

I love Cawl doing side calculations of being like

"Hmm... in case of they deny this, how can I fucking kill them?"

Also

"But you are an abomination!"

trazyn literally looks more human despite being a soulless xeno machine

[late osprey]

holy shit the eldar AI in bfg2 is hilarious

you just park all of your ships in broadside and just wait as they kill themselves

its genuinely surreal

[opaque coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnMxQxjbLZs&list=PLFznDVzkakEwHdVF8KEPsFi3txEogTFqo

They picked a random dude, made some demon boiz possess him, then the said warp boi just picked at one dude like "yes, thats ya boi" and they gave him a SM upgrade.

...to quote an outdated ass meme

"That's how Chaos works"

[late osprey]

that's gotta be one lucky son of a bitch

winning the lottery

[opaque coyote]

the rest of the aspirants got slaughtered as well

which I question why

but then I realized

"Chaos"

More importantly as it zooms out to his throne, the floor is covered in like

blood, bones, and other shit

and I just wonder how the fuck can anybody walk around

like imagine trying to go to the table only to slip on some guts or something

also the BFG2 cinematic for the Orks are boring as shit

but the BFG1 one is perfection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHgu_fBlSjk

also the orky sea shanty is fucking great

we need more of that

"What will we do with a drunken warboss? (x3)"

"Early in the mornin'!"

"Waaagghhhaaaggggg and up it rises!" (x3)

"Early in the mornin'!"

[raven stone]

Well, how Word Bearers roll lol

[opaque coyote]

"Chop his 'ead off and throw it over!" (x3)
"Early in the mornin'!"
"Waaagghhhaaaggggg and up it rises!" (x3)
"Early in the mornin'!"
"Feed him to the squigs for growin'!"(x3)
"Early in the mornin'!"

[raven stone]

Actually, since I have been holding onto this joke for FAR too long…

I have figured out the ultimate weakness of Space Marine armour. Especially if said Marine is running.

Adamantium. Marbles.

You know the joke gags of mooks slipping and tripping on marbles?

That.
But with Marines.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always found it fascinating that the Iron Warriors existed purely because you'd think that trenches wouldn't be good for an SM right

Like imagine how big they are for the IW

[stuck arrow]

Gorge warfare.

[stuck arrow]

Also stairs. Fall right through'em

[opaque coyote]

also feudal planets must be hell for SMs

purely because like

well most of the castles would probably only have human sized hallways

so

they'd have to blow everything up

or slowly make a hallway through

either way not really good for combat

[raven stone]

…imagine Space Vietnam.
But with the Space Marines suffering tunnel problems…

[opaque coyote]

Honestly you could probably outlast SMs if you pull a vietnam.

Provided that they don't just y'know...

fucking burn the entire jungle in promethium

[stuck arrow]

An SM trying to navigate a normal building:

https://tenor.com/view/astro-boy-go-through-anime-wall-break-through-gif-16157006

[opaque coyote]

Then again that's probably why Catachan fighters probably think the others are pussies

[raven stone]

Also also, not that it is easy to do…
But if you manage to just slice off both hands of a Marine…
…they suddenly stop being a serious threat.

Imagine a smart enough Drukhari Archon that recognises this…

[opaque coyote]

I mean they will do anything to kill you.

They'll just pull an armstrong and use their fucking bones as shivs

[vagrant fox]

A reckon a marine throwing haymakers with stumps is still dangerous

[opaque coyote]

or just spit on you since their spit is acidic

[outer wave]

Himbo ass

[raven stone]

Fair, and actually it kind of makes me angry GW gave them this and never uses it

[opaque coyote]

tbf not really required that much

although i can imagine them escaping using it

I think I did read an excerpt about the T'au trying to interrogate an SM

[vagrant fox]

I can think of one instance of the acid spit being used to escape a cell

[opaque coyote]

only for the SM to spit on a water caste guy and basically got his face burned off

[raven stone]

I mean, a surprise acid attack from Marine spit would be nice now then…
Ok at least they remember.

Also Chaos Marines (Night Lords in particular) should be using this more as well.

[opaque coyote]

eh. the only way they would really be in that type of situation is if they get captured

...

try capturing an SM

ffs the t'au now has SMs on the

"KOS" list

[raven stone]

Not really? I’d imagine surprise blinding your opponent with spit acid would be useful…

In close quarters at any rate.

[dusk patrol]

It comes up occasionally, it’s just not something they’re doing a ton. A lot of them are wearing helmets most of the time.

[raven stone]

Ok this is also true.

[opaque coyote]

just

fucking chop them

or punch them

[dusk patrol]

There’s at least two examples of them trying to spit in the eyes or on the visor of the other person

[opaque coyote]

or kick them

or stab them

[dusk patrol]

Also the spit is there to help them break down almost anything

The spitting acid part is just side benefit of that

[opaque coyote]

if they are fighting against something that they're having trouble against, the acid spit isn't gonna help tbh

[raven stone]

Ok true

[opaque coyote]

i still find it funny that SMs literally can eat anything

"Mmmm drywall"

• random Imperial fist marine

Like there is probably at least one SM whose preferred food is something that's usually inedible

"Why are you spreading your rations on a brick?"

"I like eating bricks"

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a fun little thing some authors like to include, it’s never shown to be some amazingly effective tactic

It’s like throwing dirt in a fight

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man3-tobey-maguire-im-gonna-put-some-dirt-in-your-eye-raimi-symbiote-gif-22229679

[dusk patrol]

It’s something that happens sometimes but isn’t necessarily common

[arctic talon]

Tbh the acid should never come up like

Most of the time

Since marines normally are wearing Helmets

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

In novels rather

[opaque coyote]

i forgot, do custodes have that?

do custodes even need to eat?

[arctic talon]

No

Custodes are like

Weird

They’re upgraded humans

More then shoved stuff in like marines

[opaque coyote]

I seriously find it weird that they don't have like multiple hearts

[arctic talon]

Why

[opaque coyote]

or something idk

[arctic talon]

Their organs are all identical to humans

They’re not implanted with stuff

[dusk patrol]

They’re enhanced chemically

[dapper gyro]

Custodes are superhuman, SM are mutants.

[arctic talon]

“Gene alchemy”

Whatever the fuck it is

Pretty much remakes them from the ground up

[opaque coyote]

IG more on like a "practical standpoint"? Like aren't they supposed to be like the peak of human form? Why didn't the Emperor add in some extra organs just in case

[dusk patrol]

Custodes are more mutants than marines tbh

[arctic talon]

Because their organs are perfect to the human form

[opaque coyote]

yeah ig i'm just kinda thinking about it a little bit too much.

[opaque coyote]

I mean aren't both of them like

genetically edited?

Or is it like...

Custodes are rebuilt from the ground up while the SMs have a "base"\

Also, it would be funny if like the process of the custodes just has them become an adult immediately

Like they're a baby beforehand and then

poof

8+ foot tall greek statue looking ass

[arctic talon]

Custodes are thrown into some weird process as a baby that remakes them from the ground up

Marines have organs and extra parts shoved into them

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I guess it's like a ship of thesus type of situation.

A marine is just the ship upgraded into a fucking ironclad one. It barely has any similarities, but it's still the same at it's "base".

While the custodes is a dinghy that's destroyed, and the few bits of wood is just thrown in there while they're making a battleship

[storm jungle]

They really arent.

Custodians are enhanced with magical alchemy while never losing their human "form" in any shape or capacity, Marines literally get purposefully mutated, organs shoved into them among many other stuff.

like this is pretty much a fact in-universe lol

[dusk patrol]

Yes, theyre mutated into those forms

[opaque coyote]

I guess it's how you define mutant? Specifically, the amount of genetic deviance.

A Custodes gets their biology hijacked when they're a baby. Even their souls are changed in some manner.

A Space Marine technically just has a bunch of shit shoved into them.

[dusk patrol]

They’re completely changed into super humans

While marines have the organs grafted in, marines are mutated too

[storm jungle]

Yeah and Marines still fit the definition a lot more

[dusk patrol]

They don’t, Custodes are completely mutated

[storm jungle]

They do.

[dusk patrol]

Marines are less so

[storm jungle]

Again, stated in the lore.

this is just your bias showing

[dusk patrol]

Where

[storm jungle]

a rarity for once admittedly

[dusk patrol]

They're chemically mutated at a cellular level

[opaque coyote]

Don't the custodes debate whether they're even the same person as the donated baby?

[humble shoal]

marines are mutants

[dusk patrol]

They're both mutants

[humble shoal]

not even abhumans

[dusk patrol]

Custodes just more so

[humble shoal]

can custodes reproduce?

[opaque coyote]

Abhumans are more of a political term tbh

[dusk patrol]

Marines are a rougher process which grafts in new organs to do the job, Custodes are completely changed.

As its described.

[opaque coyote]

There are pretty much only two requirements

[humble shoal]

abhumans are a stable mutaiton

[opaque coyote]

1. Geneline has to be stable

[storm jungle]

About almost any passage where it goes into explaining how Custodians are "shaped" and molded to become what they are while Marines are forged like weapons of mass destruction?

[dusk patrol]

Not that we've seen or heard of

[opaque coyote]

2. They're useful

[storm jungle]

Yeah but that doesnt really have much to do with anything considering their entire creation process isnt said to be much beyond very clinically "scalpel" like where they are shaped into what they are now.

[humble shoal]

3. not nids

[dusk patrol]

Its described sexier, its still a process which mutates the baby into a superhuman.

[storm jungle]

Again, this is just your bias.

[dusk patrol]

Chemically changing the entire structure into a super human is mutation.

[storm jungle]

Okay, and Marines are still considered the latter

[dusk patrol]

Based off what?

[storm jungle]

...

[humble shoal]

custodes are gene treated humans

[dusk patrol]

Its all mutation.

Its a nicer sounding way to put it

[humble shoal]

spesh marines are prepubescents where puberty is hijacked and extra shit added

[storm jungle]

I mean okay

[dusk patrol]

Custodes are a more refined process.

[humble shoal]

more expensive*

[dusk patrol]

And a more specialized one, but its also more thorough.

Both

Each one is described as a unique piece basically.

[storm jungle]

again, semantics

"mutant" in 40k very much is used in the manner of "ugly malformed beast", which you know, Custodians dont fit into, at all.

[opaque coyote]

I mean I guess it's like

Would biological hijacking at an earlier point in their lives still be considered

[storm jungle]

also this internet is killing me hold on lol

[opaque coyote]

more "mutated"?

or just

mutated

[dusk patrol]

I'm not using the in universe definition, marines don't fit that either arguably.

We weren't dicussing in universe.

[humble shoal]

just mutated

custodes might be abhumans but likely also just unstable mutants

[storm jungle]

Why are you focusing on it then lol

what even is the point of this argument

[opaque coyote]

Neither of them can reproduce

[storm jungle]

"oh they technically are mutants too 🤓 "

[opaque coyote]

probably intentionally bc

[storm jungle]

okay cool

[opaque coyote]

emperor

[dusk patrol]

Because we were talking, why are you correcting me?

This is so dumb

[opaque coyote]

Although would geneseed count as reproduction?

[humble shoal]

not mentioned for custodes, think explicitly for marines

[dusk patrol]

Sorta?

Its not really the same

Its part of how they "reproduce" but yeah

They still need kids

[humble shoal]

does rejuvant treatment make you a mutant

[opaque coyote]

Yeah true. They aren't creating a new person or being

[storm jungle]

Because you made a statement that is pretty much incorrect in-universe? Why are you correcting me?

[opaque coyote]

Just

[storm jungle]

also why do you always have to find the most dumbest subjects to be a nerd emoji over ill genuinely never understand

[dusk patrol]

Arguably some definitely do

[opaque coyote]

a new organ basically.

[storm jungle]

Welcome to arguing with you 101 honestly

lol

[dusk patrol]

We weren't using in universe

[storm jungle]

Cool, and thats what i was mentioning.

[dusk patrol]

And you say I'm semantical

[storm jungle]

yet you go "what is this based off of"

[storm jungle]

I mean you are

[dusk patrol]

Ok it wasn't relevant

No, we weren't

[storm jungle]

Cool, yours wasnt either

[humble shoal]

space marines are mutants, and suffer not the mutant to live

[dusk patrol]

Good input

👍

[storm jungle]

I mean its correct

so yes

[opaque coyote]

sisters of battle actually don't like SMs precisely because of that

[humble shoal]

and the blood runes incident

[opaque coyote]

although they still work with them and are far more tolerant.

[dusk patrol]

Neither are mutants using the in universe definition.

[opaque coyote]

"Use blood to protect from the blood plague"

[near wasp]

age of apostacy also plays into that

[dusk patrol]

So it doesn't matter

[dapper gyro]

Thanks @storm jungle for doing all of the debating for me.

[near wasp]

also yes hello am still alive

[storm jungle]

He does this a lot.

[dapper gyro]

It is good to have a minion like you.

[storm jungle]

and always ends it with like

[opaque coyote]

I guess it depends on whether mutants are dependant by "The amount of genetic deviance from baseline"

[storm jungle]

"well clearly i yapped the most and provided a source so i win"

[opaque coyote]

or the Imperium definition AKA

[storm jungle]

or I move on and hes like

[opaque coyote]

"Being fuck ugly"

[storm jungle]

"wow shes ignoring me i won"

you get used to it

[dusk patrol]

Least dishonest Dilara moment

Anyways

[storm jungle]

Okay hypocrite

lol

[humble shoal]

6 fingers != butt fuck ugly

[forest orbit]

Hold on you dropped this

🪞

[humble shoal]

but is a mutant according to imp[erial standardsa

[forest orbit]

anyway what are we arguing about now

[opaque coyote]

Looks ugly compared to 5 fingers, execution.

[forest orbit]

I just finished painting i need popcorn material

[opaque coyote]

[dusk patrol]

If we just keep moving the goalposts and changing the original point, eventually you'll be right

[storm jungle]

I mean

you should know

you are the best at it

[humble shoal]

should we suffer the mutant to live (space marines and custodes)

[forest orbit]

Yeah im just scrolling up now

Again why are you two like this.