humanity was a bitch
#40k-lore-chat
crystal forum
arctic talon
Ur-025 doesn't even hate humans lol
crystal forum
as always
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
is the funny thing
storm jungle
theres no "betrayal"
crystal forum
humans are a blight on the galaxy
storm jungle
there was just a "war"
dusk patrol
There’s some earlier stuff that implies Ironkin were basically faking being people actually
opaque coyote
Like some fell to chaos
Some just didn't like humanity for some reason.
And some just wanted to kill people for no reason
arctic talon
it could have literally been a slave uprising
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
or some combo of stuff
crystal forum
i can tell you humans were asking for it
dusk patrol
But idk they’ve moved away from making Kin interesting….
opaque coyote
it could have literally been a slave uprising
true
arctic talon
Slave revolt, chaos corruption, ect.
dusk patrol
There was no single faction during the Dark Age
arctic talon
and that all got shoved into an umbrella term
dusk patrol
Also AI fought eachother
arctic talon
yeah
opaque coyote
I like to belive it was a lot of things all at once
same
yeah i generally think that the thing that actually fucked things over was warp travel suddenly being fucked up
opaque coyote
no way for trade routes to exist
tough haven
So if a human stole a ranger’s rifle, could they theoretically attune to it to use it?
crystal forum
humanity treated men of iron like shit and they rebelled that's still my thing
storm jungle
So if a human stole a ranger’s rifle, could they theoretically attune to it to u...
Uhhh
if it had a trigger yes
otherwise no
opaque coyote
if it had a trigger yes
what if they're a psyker
arctic talon
So if a human stole a ranger’s rifle, could they theoretically attune to it to u...
if it has a trigger yeah they can just use it
storm jungle
alien equipment like eldar tech is only usable by humans when its like a melee waepon
or has a trigger
crystal forum
alien equipment like eldar tech is only usable by humans when its like a melee w...
anything can be a melee weapon if you try hard enough
arctic talon
Draxus has a shuriken catapult and she needed help learning how to use it
opaque coyote
also do blanks affect wraithbone
arctic talon
from a Dire avenger
storm jungle
anything can be a melee weapon if you try hard enough
yeet
opaque coyote
due to wraithbone being like
arctic talon
No
opaque coyote
psychic shit
storm jungle
also do blanks affect wraithbone
no
arctic talon
Wraithbone is solid
opaque coyote
huh
storm jungle
Wraithbone is material
tough haven
if it had a trigger yes
Yeah but lore wise, why would it have a trigger, I imagine all rangers are psykers
crystal forum
you can use eldar weapons in rogue trader right
storm jungle
Yeah but lore wise, why would it have a trigger, I imagine all rangers are psyke...
Because some eldar weapons just do
opaque coyote
Wraithbone is material
yeah just thought that due to it being psychically based, it'd just become weaker
arctic talon
no
storm jungle
yeah just thought that due to it being psychically based, it'd just become weake...
wraithbone is as tough as adamantium
arctic talon
you can use eldar weapons in rogue trader right
They all have triggers in game
if you notice
except for the Eldar locked long gun
opaque coyote
wraithbone is as tough as adamantium
neat
crystal forum
you have a trigger
arctic talon
which is yirlet only
arctic talon
you have a trigger
storm jungle
you have a trigger
tough haven
Because some eldar weapons just do
Got tired of thinking about shooting people all the time
storm jungle
Got tired of thinking about shooting people all the time
lol
sacred ginkgo
you can use eldar weapons in rogue trader right
You need to specifically take a talent and have good lore: xenos to do so
crystal forum
why dont bone singers create a rotary shuriken cannon are they stupid
arctic talon
they also do have triggers in game, I checked
tough haven
I’m considering if I should allow my campaigns players to use eldar weapons (eg. Give them triggers)
arctic talon
why dont bone singers create a rotary shuriken cannon are they stupid
Shuriken cannons already have an absurd fire rate
storm jungle
why dont bone singers create a rotary shuriken cannon are they stupid
you do realise some shurikens got rotary magazines right
tough haven
Or make them do a psychic mastery check to use them
storm jungle
I’m considering if I should allow my campaigns players to use eldar weapons (eg....
Thats too much imo
especially considering their status
crystal forum
why dont they make throwable shurikens are they stupid
storm jungle
using eldar weapons is like rogue trader/Inquisitor tier stuff
crystal forum
it looks cooler
storm jungle
why dont they make throwable shurikens are they stupid
this is like saying "why use guns when you can throw rocks"
arctic talon
using eldar weapons is like rogue trader/Inquisitor tier stuff
really high level inqusition goon
storm jungle
Yeah that
crystal forum
this is like saying "why use guns when you can throw rocks"
that's the right idea
dusk patrol
Their whole penetration effect is because they dump so many fucking shots it finds a chink in almost any armor and builds on that, if it doesn’t penetrate outright.
storm jungle
Kinda
arctic talon
death by a million cuts
storm jungle
some instantly penetrate
arctic talon
They're really sharp
storm jungle
its kinda inconsistent
arctic talon
but they're looking for chinks
tough haven
Thats too much imo
I mean like if they loot one off an eldar
arctic talon
to just instantly fucking kill someone lol
crystal forum
sounds like the US army tank killer autocannon project
tough haven
Not just like for free
storm jungle
I mean like if they loot one off an eldar
What eldar are they gonna find though
isnt this in a hive
crystal forum
are shurikens poisoned
opaque coyote
to just instantly fucking kill someone lol
what all races have in common
if dakka doesn't work
apply more
arctic talon
are shurikens poisoned
no
tough haven
What eldar are they gonna find though
I mean in general, like if they continue these characters in other campaigns
storm jungle
are shurikens poisoned
thats dark eldar
opaque coyote
are shurikens poisoned
they just kill you
arctic talon
Well I mean
storm jungle
why would eldar need poison
arctic talon
harelquin shurikens
tough haven
are shurikens poisoned
That’s splinter guns
opaque coyote
Deldar weapons are poison
arctic talon
technically have poison
crystal forum
i thought dark eldar poison made you gay
arctic talon
you won't suffer though
storm jungle
bruh
arctic talon
since
storm jungle
💀
opaque coyote
i thought dark eldar poison made you gay
no it just makes you in severe pain
storm jungle
I mean in general, like if they continue these characters in other campaigns
Again they'd need like an Inquisitor/Rogue Trader status to use one.
otherwise people would look at them and probably wnat to lynch them lol
or steal it off them
crystal forum
harlequin weapons are scarier than dark eldar
tough haven
isnt this in a hive
They can encounter a Ranger, and the BBEG collects xenotech, so they could get some gear from him
opaque coyote
harlequin weapons are scarier than dark eldar
i mean yeah of course, the deldar weapons aren't meant to be efficient
they just want to fucking hurt you
tough haven
Again they'd need like an Inquisitor/Rogue Trader status to use one.
Good point lol
storm jungle
They can encounter a Ranger, and the BBEG collects xenotech, so they could get s...
ıd suggest to keep it more exotic than just eldar weapons
get creative and homebrew some more special xenostech
tough haven
ıd suggest to keep it more exotic than just eldar weapons
Oh yeah, I describe some unique stuff
crystal forum
isn't there a harlequin weapon that destroys your insides
storm jungle
theres more to the setting than just the main factions sometimes
dusk patrol
isnt this in a hive
You just gotta camp the Eldar ranger spawns on the lower levels
Duh
tough haven
theres more to the setting than just the main factions sometimes
It’s just I’m trying to lay out some of the basic stuff in the setting because most of my party doesn’t know 40K
crystal forum
i think i could kill an eldar irl
storm jungle
but yeah again sky is the limit so do what you want tbh
im mostly just suggesting lol
its your game at the end of the day
tough haven
i think i could kill an eldar irl
You would die lol
arctic talon
isn't there a harlequin weapon that destroys your insides
That doesn't narrow it down at all
dusk patrol
I appreciate Rogue Trader for just saying “if you get get the gun you also get effectively infinite refills with it”
crystal forum
You would die lol
they're like twigs
arctic talon
comparing the average Eldar Guardian Profile and the average profile of a guardsmen
dusk patrol
“Don’t make this a thing”
crystal forum
hey i just said eldar not a warrior
storm jungle
they're like twigs
so are martial arts masters
crystal forum
just some eldar dude
tough haven
they're like twigs
They’re way stronger than they’re depicted becauseGW fucking hates eldar
crystal forum
ok an eldar child
arctic talon
Well
storm jungle
bruh
arctic talon
💀
tough haven
They’re still really strong
crystal forum
i could kill an eldar child
tough haven
i could kill an eldar child
So could most psychopaths
arctic talon
tough haven
hey i just said eldar not a warrior
Every eldar is trained as a militia
Not sure how young
storm jungle
Yeah like an eldar is basically superior to you in every way biologically if we are talking 1v1 naked fighting (gay)
its not even gloating
crystal forum
this is why they're never happy
tough haven
this is why they're never happy
No they aren’t happy because GW can’t allow them to be, being sad is their whole schtick
opaque coyote
isn't there a harlequin weapon that destroys your insides
Yup.
Dark Eldar Splinter Rifles also ruin your insides.
Basically it shoots a crystal at super sonic speeds, it goes into your body, then explodes inside scattering your insides with shards of said crystal.
And the crystal itself is laced with a poisonous neurotoxin
arctic talon
Yeah like an eldar is basically superior to you in every way biologically if we ...
mfw my muscles are compressed
opaque coyote
so basically you die in extreme pain
arctic talon
well
crystal forum
eldar vs glock 17
arctic talon
you don't die
storm jungle
eldar vs glock 17
they'd dodge it by the time you raise your hand
or close the distance and break your arm
lol
crystal forum
alright well if they have matrix powers i'm out
dusk patrol
Well maybe, some Eldar are dummies still
opaque coyote
eldar vs glock 17
Eldar wins
storm jungle
its not even matrix powers
opaque coyote
They basically have matrix powers
storm jungle
they just percieve shit fast
tough haven
alright well if they have matrix powers i'm out
Yeah they’re super busted in lore
storm jungle
this is like saying i can take on a space marine neophyte
he'd smash my head to a rock
lol
dusk patrol
Just gotta find the hippy ones who don’t know how to do shit besides basket weaving or whatever
opaque coyote
Just gotta find the hippy ones who don’t know how to do shit besides basket weav...
and they'll somehow kill you anyways because they already walked the path of the warrior
crystal forum
get them while they're sleeping for maximum element of surprise
storm jungle
Jay
tough haven
But nooo, an eldar craftworld can be taken down by 100 marines because fuck you
storm jungle
my respect for your combat abilities
dusk patrol
and they'll somehow kill you anyways because they already walked the path of the...
I said “only basket weaving”
crystal forum
i will fight the eldar cheese maker
storm jungle
is falling faster and faster
tough haven
get them while they're sleeping for maximum element of surprise
I don’t think they really sleep
dusk patrol
Not “basket weaving and also they were a warrior for 1000 years”
storm jungle
bro went from "im gonna fight a warrior" to "im gonna fight a store register"
tough haven
It’s like partial meditation
storm jungle
Not “basket weaving and also they were a warrior for 1000 years”
this is up there with that one clip
of some robbers getting into a store
and the woman pulls out a machete
💀
nah fam im out
crystal forum
sometimes the dice dont roll your way
storm jungle
id know
dusk patrol
storm jungle
ive been playing BG3
crystal forum
like an eldar child agaisnt my baseball bat
storm jungle
tough haven
Btw, shout-out to old harlequin weapons for just literally giving you a check and if you fail it you instantly die
tough haven
The instant death weapon that phases through you and stabs your heart
opaque coyote
I said “only basket weaving”
honestly the eldar might literally just flail in a panic
storm jungle
Btw, shout-out to old harlequin weapons for just literally giving you a check an...
theres like 3 types of it too
opaque coyote
and accidentally punch through your skull
storm jungle
one launches lines across your body
one just grants them the ability to grab anything from inside you
etc
fucking funny af ngl
tough haven
That’s the point
dusk patrol
honestly the eldar might literally just flail in a panic
Laati, humans kill Eldar.
crystal forum
i want to go back to killing those tree loving fantasy elves
opaque coyote
i know this sounds like a ridiculous question, but if you shoot a naked Eldar with like a 9mm gun, would it even go through.
storm jungle
I mean yes
dusk patrol
Laati what the fuck do you think Eldar are
arctic talon
They're made out of flesh lol
storm jungle
LMAO
arctic talon
like
storm jungle
CRACK 💀
opaque coyote
Laati what the fuck do you think Eldar are
idk man there's a lot of bulletproof races throughout fiction
crystal forum
guys you have all been hyping up eldar for the past 10 minutes
arctic talon
just need to hit them properly
tough haven
They’re like slightly buffed humans with really good reflexes and senses, the weakest one is like a neophyte
arctic talon
no race in 40k is bullet proof naked
dusk patrol
idk man there's a lot of bulletproof races throughout fiction
When are they ever fucking Elves
ivory umbra
I wonder if we’ll get an anniversary update like vermintide did I’d like to see our rejects drunk
storm jungle
i wish
arctic talon
Alcoholism
storm jungle
i could use alcohol
arctic talon
Mourningstar pubcrawl
except instead of the pub
its some random ass place where hallowette stashed alcohol
and we broke in
crystal forum
if a psyker gets drunk does everybody die
dusk patrol
I could beat an Eldar by introducing him to Genshin and then canceling him once he becomes a pedo.
ivory umbra
I’d like to see our zealots get along with our psykers
opaque coyote
When are they ever fucking Elves
...genshin has an elf that is basically bulletproof and insane
dusk patrol
Laati
opaque coyote
and unfortunately not playable yet
arctic talon
that is not a race
crystal forum
introduce an eldar to the magical world of wargaming and defeat them when they run out of money
opaque coyote
introduce an eldar to the magical world of wargaming and defeat them when they r...
battlemace 400k
my favorite
opaque coyote
400k my ass
nah nah 1st edition
trust
imagine if warhammer 40k goes through an endtimes
crystal forum
havent heard that one today yet
opaque coyote
and then their equivalent to the age of sigmar is literally just called Battlemace
crystal forum
"what if 40k plot moved forward" the classic
tough haven
guys you have all been hyping up eldar for the past 10 minutes
Just equate them to a naked neophyte but thinner and more bitchy
opaque coyote
Just equate them to a naked neophyte but thinner and more bitchy
and also faster
like space marines can barely keep up
it's just that once they do hit uhhh
they're dead
crystal forum
weak
vagrant fox
They come back as robots it's fine
sour hornet
guys you have all been hyping up eldar for the past 10 minutes
You have to
it's like giving chest compressions to a dying man in the hospital
after the wraithbone retcons, eldar need all the copium they can get
storm jungle
it's like giving chest compressions to a dying man in the hospital
I wasnt aware saying actual lore equates to "copium" but go off I guess 💀
sour hornet
saying actual lore like GW is going to do anything interesting with it
storm jungle
I mean they do
sour hornet
sour hornet
I need an eldar equivalent to a crusade to go off with a cool non-asshole eldar protag at the front and I need it now
storm jungle
These people dont read.
arctic talon
They show up in Crusade Pariah nexus
and the commit mass Necron genocidew
and tell the Mechanicus they're stupid and to get their shit together
(this doesn't work and the mechanicus fucks up)
tough haven
They show up in Crusade Pariah nexus
Is that a actual book? Or rulebook lore?
storm jungle
Its a rulebook
sour hornet
Eldar do have actua llore
I'm not denying they have actual lore, I'm just saying GW does boring stuff with it most of the time.
tough haven
Its a rulebook
Welp never reading it then
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
to their stuff
arctic talon
and then it ends with them saying "hey dumbasses get your shit togther or else its going to get worse"
and then it got worse
because the Mechanicus are clearly always right
and never wrong
storm jungle
Hes vashtoring
arctic talon
Watch this instead
my GOAT
storm jungle
arctic talon
but yeah Vashtor tears a hole in reality and inverts a blackstone array
and causes a super charged warp area
storm jungle
that was the plot-twist no one saw coming too lol
sour hornet
You read Valedor?
I was literally in grade-school when Valedor came out. It was alright, but I want godblight level shenanigans going on. I need modern eldar bolterporn (shurikenporn?) in my 40k novels.
storm jungle
I was literally in grade-school when Valedor came out. It was alright, but I wan...
It was a very good book, "alright" is crazy lol
its like one of the few good books they also have lmao
arctic talon
that book goes crazy
arctic talon
I think the funny part is there's like barely any eldar in the Pariah Nexus and they accomplish all their goals well lol
good example of what they do
arctic talon
Its like a bunch of rangers and dire avengers lol
storm jungle
I think the funny part is there's like barely any eldar in the Pariah Nexus and ...
It works because they are basically playing helldivers
do the objectives and leave
arctic talon
LOL
storm jungle
let everyone else kill each other
sour hornet
I think the funny part is there's like barely any eldar in the Pariah Nexus and ...
The less they're in it, the less they can have their plans fucked up. Eldar quintillionaire grindset.
arctic talon
tbf their plan was
Kill a few nobles that need killing
destabalize the Necrons
smash a pillar
fuck off
they did all 3 of them LOL
arctic talon
Like the smashed a single fucking pillar
and left
which made everyone involved very concerned lol
storm jungle
Valedor was literally the best you are gonna get, Eldar are not realy made for giant grand wars.
arctic talon
yeah
storm jungle
They are here to preserve their numbers, not go on crusades lol
storm jungle
Same, they are always better
storm jungle
its why I love William King's Farseer
arctic talon
like let me see a bunch of aspect warriors sneaking around shanking people
tough haven
but as a novel
Xenos novel, sorry, none for you
tough haven
like let me see a bunch of aspect warriors sneaking around shanking people
I think that’s a book already
storm jungle
id say we are just getting a new ork novel
but like
who the fuck gives a shit about Grotsnik
💀
tough haven
It’s orks so I’ll fucking take it
storm jungle
LOL fair, ill read it too
arctic talon
LOL
storm jungle
I need any xenos book i can get
tough haven
Also painboys are funny
storm jungle
smh it was good
💀
arctic talon
ngl why the fuck did necrons even show up in it
storm jungle
for admech yes
storm jungle
ngl why the fuck did necrons even show up in it
idk memes
storm jungle
arctic talon
My favorite factions are CWE and Admech
I get to watch them job all the time
my suffering bears fruit
smh
storm jungle
shut up you titanfall pfp having ass
arctic talon
storm jungle
🫵
also speaking of books
im re-reading 15 hours again
first paragraph mentions alpacas
crazy
vagrant fox
new books when
arctic talon
High Khals oath
storm jungle
WORST PART IS I EVEN READ IT
arctic talon
(mid)
storm jungle
no one cares about the Red Cocko
storm jungle
fucking kommunist orks
arctic talon
okay
storm jungle
Lelith is great if you are an eldar fan
arctic talon
yes
storm jungle
otherwise its mid for anyone else
arctic talon
I aagree
storm jungle
storm jungle
also it has lesbian sex which is nice
arctic talon
say gex
storm jungle
some weird vect stuff
I appreciate that like
Brooks remembered vect has fucking body doubles
arctic talon
yeah
arctic talon
Brooks also didn't butcher Leiliths character
so
good job
Now granted Leilith is about as deep as a fucking puddle
but hey better then the Huron book
storm jungle
Yeah this is like the most characterisation she has gotten in 30 years
storm jungle
but hey better then the Huron book
NAHHH 💀
tough haven
after Dominion Genesis especially
What’s that?
tough haven
Destroyed
⏲️
arctic talon
LOL
storm jungle
CORRECT ANSWER
arctic talon
Dominion Genesis is still a good book
tough haven
Even still, that’s just mcguffin sun general
storm jungle
but yeah like uh
arctic talon
I had dread in my mind
the moment I heard
"Cresecent shaped ship"
mentioned
and Silver tendrils
like
storm jungle
its just some techpriests from Gryphonne searching for a wa yto terraform their forgeworld before giving up
arctic talon
please god no no more
storm jungle
its okay instead it was a fat spider ship
arctic talon
its just some techpriests from Gryphonne searching for a wa yto terraform their ...
she became a true hater
storm jungle
with a huge ass
arctic talon
And it shit out terraforming
storm jungle
very poignant
arctic talon
also she's like
storm jungle
shes no Faustinius but ill take it
arctic talon
tbh I do like how after like a solid quarter of the people she brought with her to the Mcguffin ship
she still asks the Eldar, hey we can work together please
I wasn't expecting that
storm jungle
Lmao same
storm jungle
It was very funny
arctic talon
I think there's some irony if that it was literally any other craftworld the story would have gone very differently lol
but its Beil'tan
who are based
storm jungle
LOL
arctic talon
storm jungle
also like its not as if they dont have a point
storm jungle
yeah lets let you terraform and rebuild your forgeworld
so uh
you can make more death mahines
that you will totally not turn on us
storm jungle
Lmao yeah
but uh hot take
i prefer admech books when its more against themselves or humans
because again
storm jungle
"no one cares"
arctic talon
Mechanicus on Mechanicus violence
dapper gyro
Back stabbing is the Imperium's nature.
storm jungle
like that guy up there is just being realistically honest
arctic talon
oh yeah Dark Coil and Day of acension
storm jungle
"Thats my life's work..."
"Wow, that's crazy."
storm jungle
and the shorts
storm jungle
yeah like its ironically TOO eldritch for me to grasp
i legit got no idea whats happening
like i assume the schtick is like-
the system is just plagued by warp paranormal activity???
gray umbra
binarrhic screeching
storm jungle
i ask people who are fans of the series and they explain jackshit
arctic talon
Darkcoil is
like house of leaves
to an extent lol
its kind of fucking incomprehensible nonsense
until you read enough of it
storm jungle
yeah i assume its very much just "warp fuckery"
arctic talon
which feels absurd to say about a 40k serise
storm jungle
i remember some dude kinda explaining it to me but i still didnt get it
storm jungle
maybe I got drain bamage....
dapper gyro
They need to make a string table.
gray umbra
horus heresy just devolved into incomprehensible nonsense too
storm jungle
They need to make a string table.
if only...
storm jungle
horus heresy just devolved into incomprehensible nonsense too
Kinda
dapper gyro
Connecting everything together.
storm jungle
id say its "nonsense" not "incomprehensible "
gray umbra
tru
dusk patrol
Honestly I’ve kinda realized I just like books which expand on factions in interesting ways, I got way more out of the Exorcists books worldbuilding around the chapter than I’ve gotten out of a book in a long time
storm jungle
Honestly I’ve kinda realized I just like books which expand on factions in inter...
its a lot better when the book you are reading can tell you the author is having fun
gray umbra
i like the smaller scale stuff
storm jungle
never let him write dark angels again
arctic talon
Gav "my favorite faction is Craftworld Eldar" Thrope
gray umbra
if it gets too grandiose it just
storm jungle
also DA dont forget
arctic talon
Oh yeah
storm jungle
FallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallen
dusk patrol
It’s why I don’t really like Wrath of Iron despite it being a very good book, it tells you nothing about the factions involved that isn’t already on the tin
arctic talon
Fallen
arctic talon
It’s why I don’t really like Wrath of Iron despite it being a very good book, it...
for better or for worse
storm jungle
if he wrote a modern DA book
arctic talon
Rizzen
gray umbra
some are good now but some are bad
storm jungle
STOP THIS
storm jungle
LMAO
true
im just glad they finally acknowledged not all Fallen are chaos cunts
so annoying
dapper gyro
HH has so many stories now that it is really a cluster fuck.
arctic talon
but yeah Dark coil is great, admech, Imperial Guard, Inqusition, Tau, Genestealers, Marines, sisters of battle
its got it all lol
dapper gyro
A smelly bin is a trash can...
arctic talon
oh also this book cover + title goes hard as fuck lol
dusk patrol
for better or for worse
Idk, not sure what Wraight would have done with them and it’s a fairly outdated book by now anyways.
I don’t think he care about the chapter much though beyond the basic idea of the body dysmorphia.
arctic talon
yeah
dusk patrol
Which idk I just get really bored with that subject
storm jungle
Idk, not sure what Wraight would have done with them and it’s a fairly outdated ...
body dysmorphia.
THEY ARE LITERALLY ME!!!
dusk patrol
It’s why I like Guymers books
storm jungle
Rare good minor BL book cover
arctic talon
Idk, not sure what Wraight would have done with them and it’s a fairly outdated ...
it does the body dysmorphia stuff worse then the necron books
and it doesn't really do much else
dusk patrol
He actually talks about the chapter and their differences and ideals and culture, the dysmorphia is just sorta in the background and a given
arctic talon
unfortunately
storm jungle
They should stop having phantom pains and man up
arctic talon
Like if you're going to make it the focal point you need to make it good
storm jungle
storm jungle
Like if you're going to make it the focal point you need to make it good
thats something a lot of space marine books suffer from
(I know because i read too many)
its just nonsense with no flavor
theres a reason Lukas' book is like one of my favs
Lukas the Cuntster more like
arctic talon
Dark Coil also has the rare Deathwatch working with other Xenos lol
Mostly because hey
dusk patrol
Also the dysmorphia thing is overstated by the community in its portrayal. Not all IH seem to have it that much and a lot see the cyborg nature as more just improving themselves further.
It’s kinda my annoyance with how people talk about it in general, I don’t really see why it’s somehow more extreme than taking kids and making them into monsters.
arctic talon
yeah
did you know that tyranids don't care if you're human or tau
you're both equally tasty
storm jungle
okay but robo hand itchy
dusk patrol
Dark Coil also has the rare Deathwatch working with other Xenos lol
Fahverati also has an Iron Hand work with a Tau
arctic talon
The mostly dead one? or an actual living one
dusk patrol
Sanctuary for Wyrms
storm jungle
thats the one
dusk patrol
Or something like that
arctic talon
ah yeah that one
storm jungle
Anyway its mid
the better iron hands story is the one where they kill an entire crew of a leman russ
and say "sorry tank-bro those guys were bothering you"
PEAK CINEMA.
arctic talon
ngl Fehervari should write a full Tau book, he seems to really like writing them
shell barn
Would an STD be classified as a Nurgle or Slaneesh blessing
storm jungle
It would be classified as me shoving my fist up your-
arctic talon
lol
shell barn
It would be classified as me shoving my fist up your-
Justified response
shell barn
That’s fair
dusk patrol
ngl Fehervari should write a full Tau book, he seems to really like writing them
I really want him to write more IH stuff, him and Abnett
They both casually do them so well
storm jungle
Abnett's issue is he only writes for a chapter by spinning a wheel since hes here to use everyone as a vehicle for plot/setting stuff.
dusk patrol
Both of them are really good at like
storm jungle
Feher is prob better
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So and so, i feel like they can make it a bit pretentious but it mostly works.
I sometimes just like IH being assholes honestly, its nice and comfy
dusk patrol
You would
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dusk patrol
I don’t think he wants to
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
<:ComfyAsh:903359366734958632>
storm jungle
remember he writes them willingly
arctic talon
This is true
dusk patrol
I don’t mind them being assholes or evil I just prefer it’s done interesting
storm jungle
Im mostly biased because im sick of this shit people have of like "OMG AN ULTRAMARINE THATS EVIL? I THOUGHT SPACE MARINES WERE NICE PEOPLE"
arctic talon
with how fucking interconnected it is
arctic talon
He's written outside of it like
dusk patrol
Guymer has my favorite concept and ideas for the chapter but he’s not the best writer often sadly
arctic talon
three times
dusk patrol
But I love his fluff and concepts
dapper gyro
Im mostly biased because im sick of this shit people have of like "OMG AN ULTRAM...
People after they read a little bit deeper about the Sally.
storm jungle
Real.
dusk patrol
I have a good argument for why Salamanders probably end up costing more lives than the IH in grand scheme
arctic talon
stop blorbofying my psychotic killing macines
storm jungle
arctic talon
let them be awful
lol
oh also nightshift ninteen is a great admech book as well tbh
well short story
dapper gyro
I have a good argument for why Salamanders probably end up costing more lives th...
The way the Sally operates might save a few but kill the majority.
storm jungle
well they do like BBQing everyone
dusk patrol
The IH are playing the Marco scale, over analyzing and calculating everything, not wasting marines on pointless endeavors, mostly.
Salamanders meanwhile have shown they become completely blinded when civilians are involved and can’t make the tough calls to leave people to die, wasting valuable marines and lives that could be saved by them, and fucking with the I objective
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
**again**
Its like a horrifying lovecraft story but with some shithead admech tech adept
and the warp rather then Cthulu
dusk patrol
Arguably they’re selfish because they can’t put aside Vulkans dogma and leave people to die when they can do more
storm jungle
Its like a horrifying lovecraft story but with some shithead admech tech adept
I DID like the concept of like, an entire world almost covered in supernatural darkness
also the part about something being above the elevator hes in about to jump in if he leaves was creepy
idk why lol
arctic talon
This is another piece in the ongoing how the fuck the planet fell
because like Sarastus is a chaos infested shithole
LOL
dapper gyro
The RG did the same thing, if the victory cost more than what they spent, they would rather retreat.
arctic talon
as of the most "modern" point in Dark Coil
storm jungle
ah i see
arctic talon
dark coil is fun because you know the end result
you just don't know how you're going to get to it
and everything is basicially slowly filling it in piece by piece
dusk patrol
Iron Hands literally won’t even enter Warzones if they calculate that the odds of victory or meaningful damage to the enemy is too low
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the total war grindset
arctic talon
Logistics moment
dusk patrol
Grand Calculus
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and everything is basicially slowly filling it in piece by piece
Okay but like what i still dont get is what is happening
arctic talon
uhhhhhh
storm jungle
like what is all this supernatural timeloop shit
arctic talon
I can't fucking explain 
arctic talon
I'm not smart enough
dusk patrol
“I’m gonna kick your ass and I can prove it mathematically.”
arctic talon
LOL
I genuinely only really comprehend it
because I've read everything in Dark Coil
storm jungle
read everything
cant comprehend it
Nah bruh thats nuts 💀
arctic talon
but the planet is totally fucked by the warp, there was a cult(probably not human)
originally that started it all
and now its happening
storm jungle
ah okay lol
dusk patrol
I haven’t read all of Dark Coil, I need to
storm jungle
yeah fair enough
storm jungle
I haven’t read all of Dark Coil, I need to
its worth it, its just confusing lol
dusk patrol
I wish I could have gotten the collectors thing
storm jungle
like I had A LOT of friends that disliked it because its just books largely exploring the weirdness and bullshittery of the Warp.
which is very funny
arctic talon
they could honestly put most of Dark Coil into warhammer horror
lol
People want explanation of the warp
storm jungle
Im surprised they havent
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YEP.
Its like dumbasses like luetin
"im gonna use theoritical physics to explain-"
can you not
arctic talon
Fuck you FNAF jumpscare daemon be upon ye
dapper gyro
I still don't understand why people recommend Luetin for entry level for 40K lore.
storm jungle
Hes....
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^
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I only hate him when he yaps too much about "so my opinion is-"
arctic talon
or Ian
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i think hes very overrated tho imo
storm jungle
theres a reason people say "i use him to go to sleep"
storm jungle
Lmao true
rigid dune
Does the standard green cadian body flak armor ever protect or save its wearer from fatal injuries?
dusk patrol
He researches well
And he makes his personal opinions clear
Ian is the best but yeah
arctic talon
Does the standard green cadian body flak armor ever protect or save its wearer f...
yes
storm jungle
Yeah its different niches
arctic talon
absolutely lol
storm jungle
Luetin is good im just not a fan of the format and thats fine
arctic talon
it'll save your life from a Lasgun or autogun shot easy peasy
dusk patrol
Better than cringe lords like Byf for destiny
sacred ginkgo
Does the standard green cadian body flak armor ever protect or save its wearer f...
Would they wear it if it didn't
dapper gyro
Not just "my opinion", but in many cases it is pure speculation but he doesn't say it outright.
dusk patrol
“Lore Daddy” ugh
arctic talon
It catches shrapnel
storm jungle
Not just "my opinion", but in many cases it is pure speculation but he doesn't s...
KINDA
arctic talon
Flak armor does its job well
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but theres a mix of really good vids of his mixed with ones that are just kinda whatever
arctic talon
the issue is that there's more horrifying weapons in 40k
arctic talon
other then just lasguns and bullets
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even tho he says they shouldnt
arctic talon
why the fuck did auto correct correct lasgun to lasergun
arctic talon
rigid dune
but that is what space marine armor is for right?
arctic talon
well
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arctic talon
sorta?
marine armor can protect against some of the worse stuff
but it also can't for like
other stuff
a venom cannon is an anti tank weapon so.......
but yeah marine armor can catch bolter fire and stuff
rigid dune
There is some tyranid creature which eats you from the inside right? Could such a thing penetrate marine armor?
arctic talon
multilas fire usually shreds humans in flak but a marine can sustain it for a bit
arctic talon
There is some tyranid creature which eats you from the inside right? Could such ...
no
storm jungle
is it the pregnancy flying one
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Deathmoffsex or whatever?
arctic talon
really big one
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Mortex* whoops
arctic talon
the really big one the marine is fucked
that one eats the crew inside of tanks
LOL
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tho borers are definitely an issue, Leviathan shows this
because uh
after combat the astartes are like
"shit lemme pick these things off me"
lmao
arctic talon
yeah
arctic talon
borers aren't dangerous in the moment lol
storm jungle
Yeah that
arctic talon
or really ever to marines as long as they like
get achance to make sure there's no issues
but shit like a venom cannon
nop
death
storm jungle
yeah its not like Nids dont have guns that dont penetrate armor
dapper gyro
In the lore the carapace armour can sometimes tank a SM bolter round.
arctic talon
carapace can catch a bolt round
the same way irl body armor can catch a 50cal
it ruins the armor and it'll break your bones lol
but you won't die!
dapper gyro
the same way irl body armor can catch a 50cal
??? Which one?
arctic talon
Multiple plates at an angle no?
dapper gyro
Aside from the few 1 off that only means for show.
arctic talon
ig a rifle round
would be more apt
carapace armor just stops you from getting blown in half, you're still probably out the fight
sacred ginkgo
It'll also let you wade through a magazine or two of something lesser though
dapper gyro
Multiple plates at an angle no?
That's for vehicles. I don't think anyone would wear the sheer mass of a 12.7 capable body armour.
dusk patrol
Carapace isn’t all made the same too
arctic talon
yeah
dusk patrol
Or made equal
sacred ginkgo
Well yeah thats a given
arctic talon
Maledictums flak lets you eat a lasgun and live
carapace lets you shrug off lasgun fire
and makes you not explode when you get shot by a bolter
For a base character
dusk patrol
Yeah it’s not guaranteed but it’s your best bet
Otherwise you gotta learn how to live without half your organs.
arctic talon
I expend a fate dice
dapper gyro
Well carapace is made of the same material as SM armour, but lower grade and way thinner.
rigid dune
So which tyranid creature would you consider to be as dangerous as a space marine? Would that be a hive tyrant? Like when the imperium fields thier astartes what would the tyranids throw out to face them head on?
arctic talon
So which tyranid creature would you consider to be as dangerous as a space marin...
A hive tyrant would smoke a single marine
dusk patrol
Higher quality can be or even made of better, it depends
dusk patrol
The average marine is gonna have a bitch of a time