inviting all the cousin chapters to fenris and they all just devolve on the spot
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
They were like “hey don’t actually land on Fenris this is going to suck for you guys long term if you do”
late osprey
oh good they already knew LMAO
arctic talon
Inductii are fun
Inductii first battle: BETA GARMON
Or The siege of terra
But yeah the IF’s geneseed issues literally are due to how many inductii they made
They skipped the betchers gland and the Sus membrane was fucked from the start iirc
late osprey
But yeah the IF’s geneseed issues literally are due to how many inductii they ma...
sometimes i wonder if GW realizes just how shit they've made the IFs
a chapter renowned throughout the galaxy for taking horrific losses even in battles that should be decisive victories
and what do they do with these high casualty rates? do they change their strategies?
no they just turn the Marine Machine up to 11 and fucking break it
they're the most absurd chapter, and i dont even know if its intentional LOL
a special forces unit that insists on human wave attacks
late osprey
at least iron warriors switched to using human slaves
imperial fists just insist on killing themselves
dusk patrol
a chapter renowned throughout the galaxy for taking horrific losses even in batt...
What are we talking about?
late osprey
What are we talking about?
imperial fists
dusk patrol
I’m saying where are they taking huge losses with human wave tactics
They all died during WotB but that was a pretty unique case for a lot of reasons
And that was also 9,000 years ago
IF are known for holding defensive positions generally
And void warfare
late osprey
I’m saying where are they taking huge losses with human wave tactics
"The Imperial Fists stubbornness in defense has sometimes gone beyond the pale of reason. There are reports of Imperial Fists forces that could have been saved had its warriors simply withdrawn when the time was right. Indeed, even in victories the Imperial Fists are known to suffer high casualties due to their stubborn and inflexible nature." this is from the 10th ed codex
thats the direct mention, but theres a lot that supports just how much they love dying needlessly
late osprey
other supporting mentions include the fact that they are apparently known for having massive reserves
essentially a strategic organization built around losing
i was being facetious when i described them as human wave attacks
but 40k does write them as essentially the Biggest Losers of the Astartes
dusk patrol
In that one description maybe, it’s very different in most IF stories
I wouldn’t say they’re that even in that description
late osprey
their behavioral quirk is an obsession with pain
the evident result? they love getting shot
most space marines love killing, imperial fists love getting killed
dusk patrol
Their behavior quirk is extreme willpower and stubbornness
The pain glove thing is just built around that willpower
late osprey
yeah which is great and all
dusk patrol
They’re not masochists, that’s the point of it being a willpower test
late osprey
its still quite terrible for a space marine chapter lmao
dusk patrol
I mean if you wanna deliberately read it as that I guess sure
There’s a lot more than the meme painglove
I think they’re underused by most FF chapter standards and they’re intentionally like the “marine” chapter more so than the Ultramarines are even
But they have plenty to them
late osprey
i didnt even think aobut the painglove
i was just thinking about their track record of just constantly getting blown to smithereens
just for fun
dusk patrol
There it is again, you’re deliberately trying to make it something
Their track record is holding positions at any cost
late osprey
i could definitely see the strategic table being like "Ok space marines since there's only like ten of you and a billion of us how about you do a special forces maneuver on the enemy"
and the imperial fist is just like
"Yeah but then we wouldn't get to die"
dusk patrol
I guess if you had no engagement with the chapter or read any of their characters at all sure
They’re basically the most core marine chapter of all the FF chapters
With some extra focus on defensive tactics and void warfare
late osprey
if an imperial fist isn't standing in a trench getting shot up to death, is he really an imperial fist?
dusk patrol
They’re vanilla but that’s kinda the point
late osprey
the bottom line is ultimately a scalpel that tries to be a hammer is a pretty shitty scalpel
and their track record proves that
dusk patrol
What’s their track record
List me some examples of this
Frankly basically every lore example I can think of them they operate like a very standard chapter
late osprey
constantly taking horrific losses? taking so many inductii that their gene seed breaks? as for specific instances every other campaign that mentions them seems to also mention how only like 6 dudes ever end up surviving
such as
dusk patrol
So, the heresy when they had to mass produce troops before the traitors got to them?
The siege of Terra where almost every legion took horrific losses? Do you even understand the context of Inductii, and how everyone was doing stuff like that?
late osprey
Siege of Hydra Cordatus and Battle of Naeuysk Gorge are some more modern cases
dusk patrol
They didn’t even see a ton of combat in the heresy until the siege
late osprey
there's also the Iron Cage incident of course
this is all without even reposting the outright statement that the Imperial Fists take idiosyncratic casualties
dusk patrol
Siege of Hydra Cordatus where they had to fight hundreds of Iron Warriors and a Titan legio with only a single company?
late osprey
they didn't "have to", they willingly took the fight because thats what imperial fists do
and surprise surprise they're outnumbered because, you know
space marines tend to be outnumbered
especially loyalist ones
dusk patrol
They were protecting a massive geneseed bank
It wasn’t really something they could afford to not defend
They also succeeded in making it cost the traitors a massive amount, which was part of the point
Ultramarines take way more causalities in way more incidents if we’re gonna talk about chapters who die a lot
late osprey
yeah but ultramarines don't have chapter organization/policy built around dying a lot
dusk patrol
Your idea of them being the chapter which exists to take a lot of causalities is literally the first time I’ve seen seen this take
late osprey
It wasn’t really something they could afford to not defend
they evidently could afford to not defend it because they actually lose it anyway
dusk patrol
yeah but ultramarines don't have chapter organization/policy built around dying ...
They literally have an entire chapter which is built around feeding them reserves
late osprey
except they also lost their entire company as well
dusk patrol
they evidently could afford to not defend it because they actually lose it anywa...
Yes and if you read the book it’s about, you’d know that was very bad
And it leads to a lot of bad stuff
Honsou getting all that geneseed isn’t good
late osprey
the point is that the imperial fists HABITUALLY take unwinnable fights, it actually says more than once that imperial fists are known for fighting when retreating is better
dusk patrol
Also the Ultramarines are known for their massive recruitment efforts
late osprey
except unlike other factions where it's okay to take unwinnable fights, like the Imperial Guard, imperial fists are space marines, losing 100 marines is a big deal
they're addicted to dying
dusk patrol
2nd company gets annihilated like every other campaign book
For UMs
Blood Angels have been almost wiped out as a chapter, twice.
In recent times
In the space marine 2 game alone you can find I think 50+ bodies/see marines die
And that’s just what you see
late osprey
yes but getting killed isn't the same as obsessively getting killed, which the imperial fists like doing; other chapters like the ultramarines and blood angels actually practice tactics appropriate for their manpower, and massive losses are anecdotal
the actual anecdotes are more or less equal, but again
imperial fists are literally said in the codex as being known for taking heavy losses
dusk patrol
Where are they obsessively being killed
They’re dying holding positions
They’re stubborn, that’s not obsessively being killed
dusk patrol
the actual anecdotes are more or less equal, but again
And it’s not, not even close. Ultramarine casualties are actually absurd, to the point where it annoys me.
Blood Angels are pretty bad about it too
late osprey
They’re stubborn, that’s not obsessively being killed
these are essentially identical in a military context
imperial fist stubbornness is "i dont care how big that cannon pointing at me is im not falling back"
that is some serious martyrdom complex
dusk patrol
If you want to make it sound worse sure, that’s a very common marine trait frankly
First Company for the Ultramarines did the same during the First Tyrannic War
Same for the 13th BC when it attacked Macragge
The entire chapter was almost wiped out before Guilliman got rezzed
The context of stuff like Hydra Cordantus is important because there’s a reason they’re dying to a man there
late osprey
most marines are prideful, but again
"They are notorious in their unwillingness to give ground and unhesitating in sacrificing themselves to secure victory."
notorious implies they are extremists even by marine standards
also 10th ed codex
dusk patrol
You’re the one twisting it into a bad thing
It’s not some desire to die
It’s their willingness to give it all to secure the victory
Which frankly is once again
A very common chapter trait
late osprey
it's a bad thing when that ALSO comes with their disproportionately high casualties, and the simple fact is that guarding a wall is always going to be a waste of space marines anyway
dusk patrol
What are we basing this off?
late osprey
it's one thing if a squad dies in some elite game-changing operation, as what other chapters usually see
dusk patrol
You keep loading this stuff with wanting to be a inherently negative thing
late osprey
What are we basing this off?
also the 10th ed codex, the citation i provided in the beginning
yeah if you like dying it's fantastic
dusk patrol
Yes I read that, it doesn’t say what you’re saying
You’re making it out like they’re dying for no reason
late osprey
they kinda are lmao
"Indeed, even in victories the Imperial Fists are known to suffer high casualties due to their stubborn and inflexible nature."
dusk patrol
According to you yes
late osprey
no other chapter is described like this
late osprey
the specific lettering is "DUE TO their stubborn and infelixible nature"
dusk patrol
Black Templars, Red Scorpions, Flesh Tearers are some others who do similar things that come to mind.
Also, the passage frankly isn’t even an accurate portrayal of them as we see them.
late osprey
in other words, shitty tactics
dusk patrol
It’s not the first time the codex gives oversimplified takes on chapters, which aren’t really shown in more nuanced actual showings for them
late osprey
if one marine group can win a battle with 10% losses, and the other can win the same battle with 30% losses
i really hate to tell you this but the one with 30% losses has something wrong with it
dusk patrol
What are some examples of this happening in lore for them
That are perhaps within the past 5000 years
late osprey
well we have one where its said they took 85% casualties fighting night lords
frankly anecdote counting is fairly silly when talking about aggregates
itd be one thing if there wasnt a SINGLE anecdote
dusk patrol
I’m saying this because codex stereotypes are frankly outright wrong when you look at direct examples
late osprey
but theres clearly several
dusk patrol
They’ll say one thing and then when you actually read something’s lore it reveals a lot more nuance, chapters are almost never monolithic
The Iron Hands are all cold calculating assholes until opps wait here’s half their stories which show them not quite being that simple or there’s a lot more.
Salamanders are all nice guys who love civilians but oh wait here’s a deep dive on the chapter that shows it’s a lot more complex than that
And I can’t think of any direct IF appearances which show what you’re saying, generally the opposite
They’re a very standard chapter
late osprey
every chapter's lore has instances where "yeah only like 3 guys survived this battle was nuts" but for Imperial Fists, those instances are COMBINED with the repeated descriptions of their performance, which to me makes them the Astartes' Biggest Losers
dusk patrol
Lysandor is kinda a dick but he’s explicitly an exception to the standard
dusk patrol
every chapter's lore has instances where "yeah only like 3 guys survived this ba...
Yes if you don’t engage with their actual lore at all I guess sure
dusk patrol
They’re generalized tastes
Especially with generic overviews
I already the gave multiple examples of how the codices are woefully poor ways to make judgments on groups based off the basic description they give
Especially when it’s not a codex about that group specifically
late osprey
i dont even think those basic descriptions are ever even explicitly stated for the iron hands or salamanders
dusk patrol
They are in other codexes
late osprey
im pretty sure the salamanders' kindness is just logically inferred
dusk patrol
Yes and if you read their, admittedly terrible, books you can see it’s not that simple
Many of them don’t actually even give a fuck about civilians and even have disdain for them, but they “care” because Vulkans dogma
Also a lot are racist pricks
late osprey
yes my point is something being inferred is not the same as something being directly spelled out
dusk patrol
This is stated in other codices
The Iron Hands and Salamanders had codexes of their own at one point even
Supplements I should say
late osprey
i saw something about them being renowned for their compassion actually
for the salamanders' case
so that's pretty clear there
dusk patrol
Yes that’s often stated
And contradicted in their direct books
Where the situation is shown to be more complex
Some do, a lot don’t actually care but they simply protect civilians because it’s Vulkans dogma. They don’t actually believe it but they’re follow his teachings, and are pretty assholish
They even do it to a detrimental level
Which we see in a few cases
storm jungle
late osprey
well RENOWNed and IS are technically still different, so it isn't exactly contradictory. what this means for the Imperial Fists, maybe it's in-universe slander from the Iron Warriors
dusk patrol
When they care more about following that dogma than more important objectives
dusk patrol
My point is codices are very rough pictures on groups
storm jungle
Im gonna end it all.
dusk patrol
If they’re not the direct focus
late osprey
i maintain Imperial Fists are the worst chapter
dusk patrol
Lamenters and it’s not close
storm jungle
i maintain Imperial Fists are the worst chapter
This is a fact dont worry.
Also secondly
you are arguing with a space marine fan
late osprey
because several of the sources talk about them dying needlessly all the time
dusk patrol
Imperial Fists are the most boring though
storm jungle
there will be lots of trapdoors and hyperboles
dusk patrol
Or one of
I can do without any well poisoning thank you
I don’t even like Imperial Fists
dusk patrol
Lamenters die without accomplishing anything and always make the dumbest fuck choice in literally
Every
Single
Appearance
late osprey
ok yeah strictly speaking lamenters are bigger losers
dusk patrol
Badab, they get shit on and surrender like complete bitches
The community love for them is purely from 1d4chan
They’re not just unlucky, they make terrible choices too
vagrant fox
I don't know, Salamanders might be the most lame because their books suck so bad
late osprey
at least imperial fists DO win sometimes with their tactics
lamenters dont win at all
forest orbit
I don't know, Salamanders might be the most lame because their books suck so bad
Their idea is a chapte is cool tbf
dusk patrol
Salamanders suck second because their civilian obsession fucks everyone else over
forest orbit
they just suck generally and got like 2 gimmicks
late osprey
i say 'worst chapter' as in literally which chapter is the least effective
it'd have to be lamenters overall
forest orbit
The fire stuff is cool but i wanna swallow a krak grenade when i see the 20193095th meme about them being "nice"
late osprey
but imperial fists are good contenders
dusk patrol
Imperial Fists endlessly kick ass in the lore
forest orbit
but imperial fists are good contenders
as a Black Templar fan I endorse this message. 
vagrant fox
It is worth noting, of the 68 battles listed on Lexi the IF suffer heavy/severe casualties in like 5 or so
dusk patrol
And are a key reason the Imperium even exists
forest orbit
forest orbit
I mean is it
dusk patrol
I don’t like em but man there’s so many worse chapters
late osprey
they love two things: guns, and dying
vagrant fox
I wish they'd play up the vague influences they have
forest orbit
A large complaint most of their fanbase makes is "will we ever get good or any amount of fluff"
late osprey
at least they are good with their guns
forest orbit
I wish they'd play up the vague influences they have
Them being forgettable is very much largely GW's fault frankly
late osprey
now, the best chapter (most effective, strongest, coolest) is blood angels, of course
dusk patrol
Salamanders are the worst FF because they get too much focus and somehow still do fuck all while being insufferable in memelore
vagrant fox
GW is very good at fumbling cool things yes
forest orbit
but also like when you see the amount of pastel color chapters you gotta work with you cant do much
theres a reason successors get like 1 sentence of lore
late osprey
Salamanders are the worst FF because they get too much focus and somehow still d...
in all seriousness i think actually Iron Hands are the galaxy's biggest losers because unlike everyone else, they're literally only known from cases where they lose
storm jungle
theres a reason successors get like 1 sentence of lore
Mark my words, the Gore Golems will get their day in the sun
forest orbit
storm jungle
vagrant fox
👎
forest orbit
In your dreams chief.
dusk patrol
in all seriousness i think actually Iron Hands are the galaxy's biggest losers b...
If you don’t engage with any lore besides memelore yes
Which is common in the community
late osprey
name one thing everyone here would recognize except
forest orbit
in all seriousness i think actually Iron Hands are the galaxy's biggest losers b...
Why are you saying this to an Iron Hands fan.
now hes gonna get defensive
late osprey
cuz i guarantee you Ferrus Mannus getting seppuku'd is the first thing that springs to everyone's mind
dusk patrol
name one thing everyone here would recognize except
I don’t care what everyone would recognize
I care what’s actually lore
late osprey
"iron hands... oh, is that the hcapter where they got pwn'd?"
dusk patrol
13th Black Crusade is definitely one which most should recognize though
late osprey
poor iron hands
forest orbit
theres too many parties involved
late osprey
OK TO BE FAIR
forest orbit
unless well, you are an IH fans i guess
late osprey
with this logic everyone just remembers the IF for getting pwn'd too
war of the beast, iron cage
forest orbit
i also seal-clap when i see Black Templars helping the main DnD party reach the webway gate
late osprey
rogal dorn fucking dying randomly
forest orbit
Okay but
that is funny
Dorn was thinking he was in a TF2 match
walks into engineer nest
late osprey
"Quick boarding action. In and out. 10 minutes. What could go wrong?"
- Last Words of Rogal Dorn
dusk patrol
Literally nobody cares about the IH did during the 13th Black Crusade
No one cares about a lot of things, we’re not discussing what random dorks on grimdank know about lore
If we wanna discuss it as people who only know lore from TikTok’s and Reddit memes
forest orbit
No one cares about a lot of things, we’re not discussing what random dorks on gr...
No my point was more IH are very much just not a lot as a Chapter and people also dont care about them.
forest orbit
Not in public
storm jungle
"Quick boarding action. In and out. 10 minutes. What could go wrong?"
Also
I REALLY REALLY REALLY
dusk patrol
Then sure yeah the salamanders are wholesome chungus and Dues Vult Black Templars, and Ultrasmurfs and whatever
storm jungle
Hope they make an entire book on the Iron Dickcage
its such a good battle to milk for content
I need those IF and IW argument threads
forest orbit
damn Dilara do you know any sense of peace
forest orbit
vagrant fox
I want the IF to have the technical w in that because I'd find it very funny
storm jungle
I hope not tbh
the entire reason they lose is Dorn's hubris
them winning in any capacity makes the entire message of the battle null
vagrant fox
I hate Iron Warrior fans, shush woman
forest orbit
Yeah what she said
late osprey
"After the Imperial Fists once again insist on walking into a trap and getting shot up, Brother Masochus must fight his way to safety with only three bolters and the stubbornness of a child who really doesn't want to go to bed."
forest orbit
forest orbit
"After the Imperial Fists once again insist on walking into a trap and getting s...
Also accurate
Ive seen dumber actual official excerpts but its close
hard to beat the Cacodominus though lol
late osprey
aint no way someone was named cacodominus
forest orbit
Well "someone"
storm jungle
Eli get the excerpt
forest orbit
The Cacodominus was the name given to an extremely powerful alien-cyborg Psyker who was behind The Howling in M34. The Cacodomius' powers were such that it was able to exert complete control over an area of 1,300 planetary systems. Eventually, it was slain by the Black Templars, but the resulting backlash distorted the signal of the Astronomican and burnt out billions of Astropaths across the Imperium. The resulting anarchy from the events resulted in millions of ships being lost and entire Sub-Sectors descending into barbarism.[2]
storm jungle
One of THE goofiest excerpts ever
forest orbit
its so fucking moronic it comes around to being badass
storm jungle
real
forest orbit
still "1300 planetary systems" is so fucking funny
storm jungle
Best part of the excerpt
forest orbit
I also love the ending text doing the spongebob meme
"WE DID IT CHAPTER MASTER, WE SAVED THE IMPERIUM"
late osprey
> The Cacodominus was the name given to an extremely powerful alien-cyborg Psyke...
this is like "Yeah star wars ships use Yettawatts in their turbolasers"
forest orbit
Yeah lol
late osprey
the scales so big i dissociated by the third sentence
think that event'll happen in darktide?
"yeah sorry champ the whole system's fucked because something happened on the other side of the galaxy"
forest orbit
Well it already is
storm jungle
Yeah the point of darktide is this is basically a "nothing" conflict
forest orbit
👆
storm jungle
It just takes place during the Plague Wars and thats about it
late osprey
i more mean just the mental image of all these other 40k stories getting disrupted because the author had to write "billions" and "entire sub-sectors"
late osprey
poor ciaphas cain
the GALAXY'S biggest losers have to be the eldar just from how much GW loves to play their tiny violin
when someone needs to lose, GW have the eldar on speed-dial
storm jungle
the GALAXY'S biggest losers have to be the eldar just from how much GW loves to ...
Its Eldar, Thousand Sons and uhhh
I guess kinda Tau, regardless of who someone here is about to say
late osprey
Renegade Guard but they're different
storm jungle
Yeah
late osprey
their entire purpose is losing
storm jungle
Renegade Guard is more like
late osprey
its not fair to include them
storm jungle
"you are here to look cool and go die in droves"
darktide is probably THE MOST showcase traitor guard got in the last 30 years
which helps because the Moebians are legit cool
late osprey
yeah and even in darktide where they're at their coolest
storm jungle
yeee
late osprey
poor wolfar just can't catch a fucking break
dusk patrol
in all seriousness i think actually Iron Hands are the galaxy's biggest losers b...
This is a whole thing I wrote up before modified of a general rundown.
They’ve repelled the Black Legion and Iron Warriors legion, led by Abbadon and Perturabo, combined, during the 10th Black Crusade with a single chapter. They’ve successfully destroyed a Transcendent C’tan and are the chapter most known for combating Necrons, one of the most dangerous enemies maidens ever face. They destroyed the Black Legion forces that attacked Medusa again during the 13th BC in the one of the largest armored conflict the galaxy has seen since the days of the heresy. They once again shortly after defended Medusa from Typhus and his Warband. They’ve liberated Mordian and are currently the leading the force holding back the tide in the Styigus sector on the Iron Crusade.
They’ve also been setup for 10,000 years in Segmentum Obscurus, the fucked up Bermuda Triangle of 40k. A lot happens there that is pretty damn wild, its probably one of the most dangerous Segmentums. Medusa is also super close to the Eye, and they’ve held out despite that for 10,000 years anyways. The fact they’re around is a testament to their ability.
Big dump but whatever
storm jungle
dusk patrol
Now, you may claim “no one knows that, no one cares, yada yada” which I don’t disagreed. Most fans are super causal and have never read a book.
If you wanna be one, that’s ok. But I’m just stating the facts.
vagrant fox
I guess kinda Tau, regardless of who someone here is about to say
Do the Tau really lose beyond a light slap on the wrist scenarios?
storm jungle
Do the Tau really lose beyond a light slap on the wrist scenarios?
Its another "it depends" situation.
dusk patrol
If you wanna limit yourself to TikTok’s and kiddie food, knock yourself out.
storm jungle
In most artworks they always kinda lose for black comedy reasons
same with their books usually, its only stuff like Elemental Council that does it well
late osprey
"OK we just lost like 8 critical battles but as long as we can just get this one win and protect the cathedral maybe this is winnable"
'wolfer, sir... we lost the cathedral'
"Oh, fuck."
storm jungle
"OK we just lost like 8 critical battles but as long as we can just get this one...
Dark Communion best map for banter
"Are these just lofty promises? Or mere FANTASY?"
late osprey
i feel bad for him at this point
storm jungle
bro ive never thought id see him say "please"
late osprey
get the poor man a win for gods sake hes on the verge of quitting
storm jungle
that was rough lmao
it does establish the power dynamic well tho
but i also felt like i was watching my dad and mom argue
dusk patrol
This is a whole thing I wrote up before modified of a general rundown.
They’ve ...
@late osprey respond bitch
storm jungle
LMAO
dusk patrol
I didn’t find that so you can wuss out
late osprey
wuss out is crazy
storm jungle
hes like that
late osprey
This is a whole thing I wrote up before modified of a general rundown.
They’ve ...
this is cool, nice work
love learning more about the 40k universe!
late osprey
i mean theres nothing for me to say its lore
dusk patrol
It’s about typical levels of effort for research that I’ve seen so far from them
storm jungle
I mean okay
but do it on time
this is like giving your homework to the teacher after she gave you an F
late osprey
i also said that iron hands are KNOWN for the ferrus manus decapitation of '83
not that they literally never win
late osprey
i also already walked back on what i said about using commonly known incidents to judge a faction cuz otherwise that'd just make IF the worst chapter again
dusk patrol
People have strong opinions without knowing a lot, more at 5
queen laurel
Hey hows Lore chat doing today...
the usual average eternal random encounter
late osprey
actually OK so the moebian traitors are sick but i also really like the vraks guys
dusk patrol
Well if people maybe bothered to idk, read half a wiki page before deciding they knew all about a faction
The most basic level of effort
late osprey
because for throwaway scrubs they humiliated the Death Korps in their own debut lore
dusk patrol
Vraks guys have drip
late osprey
some real "wait a minute patrick you're supposed to let ME win" type situations there
storm jungle
Hey hows Lore chat doing today...
Dad and dad are fighting again because Tin Hands slander
dusk patrol
But it’s similar to Atoma
dusk patrol
It doesn’t matter much in the grand scheme
It’s also a case of GW bad at numbers with how low the casualties are which is amusing
late osprey
let's just say i'd be first in line to be a Vraksian Paper-Bag Soldier
dusk patrol
https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-yakuza-can-you-shut-up-shut-your-mouth-gif-996606...
Once it stops being right I will
storm jungle
Once it stops being right I will
People not caring about IH is not wrong
you literally joke about this
😭
or like
"we do a lot!"
posts the MOST obscure thing
late osprey
i didnt bash that part
storm jungle
Im talking about their actions
late osprey
that was the other guy
storm jungle
learn to read
dusk patrol
People not caring about IH is not wrong
Ill put it this way, I personally don’t know a ton of Tau lore
So you know what I don’t do
I don’t post strong opinions of them and how much they suck or whatever
late osprey
now THIS is the ultimate warrior
storm jungle
I don’t post strong opinions of them and how much they suck or whatever
Welcome to the internet in that case.
late osprey
ultimately 40k lore isn't academia, everything out there is available with just quick google-fu
dusk patrol
ultimately 40k lore isn't academia, everything out there is available with just ...
Yes it is
Isn’t that interesting
storm jungle
ultimately 40k lore isn't academia, everything out there is available with just ...
Its not yeah.
people not googling stuff they ask is like
also a very common thing unfortunately lol
late osprey
i get asking questions because that at least creates conversation
and im not a psychotic who hates talking to people
dusk patrol
I don’t
storm jungle
the problem is most of the questions are moronic
lets visit r40klore for a second, hold on
dusk patrol
So many of the questions are lazy as fuck and suck
There are bad questions
And people find them
late osprey
theres "whats this lore" and "what color is the sky"
storm jungle
I had a friend post a question yesterday asking if werewolves exist in 40k outside of Wulfen/Space Furwolves
AND
EVERY RESPONSE
HE GOT
sacred ginkgo
Would you like the full list or the abridged version
storm jungle
WAS vampire related
"hey you know necromunda has vampire gangs?"
"hey theres warp vampires"
dusk patrol
God that thread sucked
storm jungle
"theres halo devices that kinda make you vampire"
late osprey
WAS vampire related
dead internet theory
storm jungle
God that thread sucked
He deleted it afterwards
i dont blame him
literally missing the entire point of his question
storm jungle
Yeah I ended up telling him "just do your own thing"
because holy fuck that thread was terrible
he OFFHANDEDLY said "like vampires" while asking a werewolf question
and EVERYTHING was vampire related
jesus christ
im actually getting mad thinking about it
dusk patrol
The amount of times people just say shit
queen laurel
i dont blame him
asked about werewolves gets about vampires
dusk patrol
And it gets upvoted that’s completely wrong
queen laurel
some people need to learn to read
storm jungle
some people need to learn to read
its definitely a super interesting thing with reddit
queen laurel
who the fuck asked about halo devices???
halo devices turn you into a vampire
motherfucker i asked about werewolves
storm jungle
you gotta actually super tailor your question and EVEN THEN they mention nonsense in replies
queen laurel
What does that have to do with my question
storm jungle
halo devices turn you into a vampire
motherfucker i asked about werewolves
Yeah that was his reaction.
like seriously
queen laurel
Yeah that was his reaction.
Guys what's the average life of a middle class imperial officer
did you know that khorne decapitated 5 babies with a single bite
storm jungle
you joke but ive seen replies like that lol
its either that or as Eternal said people thinking they are in a marvel movie
"huehue lemme say something witty!"
useless fuckwit
late osprey
the silly thing is its not even like hes asking a difficult question
beastman mutants literally exist
i could see someone spouting off some drivel if someone asking something really abstract
storm jungle
Yeah I basically told him to do whatever
warp curse, genetic mutation, intentional ability surgery, whatever
its 40k lol
dusk patrol
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1i9vrvn/where_does_the_idea_that_the_iron_fathers_just/
like this fucking thread jfc
storm jungle
the top comment above yours is 💀
dusk patrol
The top voted thing is some dork who didnt even check lexi
And he just said it first
storm jungle
i think they get upvoted because they sound so sure in the shit they are saying
even i was like "No???"
dusk patrol
People just fucking say shit
late osprey
yeah i dont even bother with reddits
i just post on discord and fish for FFG tabletop games with my friends
hopefully i'll win a powerball ticket (our DM decides to run dark heresy)
dusk patrol
Honestly I think of them all Black Crusades changes to the rules was my favorite
Ballistic Skill and Weapon Skill being combined and how talents are bought was really nice
late osprey
the ONLY issue is black crusade has always turned into a big PVP fight that kills the whole party
which is classically chaos but that unfortunately means each campaign has a limited timer that can't be controlled
dusk patrol
In general we always just played to avoid that
It depends on how the GM works it but it’s easy to avoid if everyone is down.
late osprey
its only a matter of time before one of our party members tries to rip out the spleen of another over circumstances that are completely unpredictable
yeah it's just a skill issue but all the same
green loom
i think they get upvoted because they sound so sure in the shit they are saying
ChatGPT effect
"well it SOUNDS right"
viral halo
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1i9vrvn/where_does_the_idea_that_the_i...
your replies are hilarious
telling people they're wrong when they acually are hits
dusk patrol
telling people they're wrong when they acually are hits
People get so weird with the IH and like, wanting them to be useless or whatever. That guy was such a dork, he clearly had only read the novels and barely remembered them.
Mfw
storm jungle
your post on r/destiny is crazy btw
made me choke on my afternoon tea like an hour ago 💀
dusk patrol
I do not like that flag
tulip sand
Alright now that we have havoc + auric what is the relative power level of rejects:
-
Who are level 30 and officially became inquisition acolytes?
-
Who have done auric missions/are auric operatives? (Are we auric operatives?)
-
Who are havoc 40
I always thought by the time you reached auric you are essentially an inquisition kill team, does being under the commissar's command change that at all?
storm jungle
Alright now that we have havoc + auric what is the relative power level of rejec...
in the TLDR Format: Named Kill-Team tier™️
At the end of the day the warband still takes a lot of losses and the operations we undertake currently in the game are one-way trips made by a special team of operatives every time, so possibly the poster dudes as per the rolling steel trailer
Theres a reason half the vox-transmissions in the Mourningstar is Morrow/Zola constantly asking for more meat for the grinder, we are suppose to be the exception above the masses of penal troops.
tulip sand
Named character moment
storm jungle
Real.
They also actually got names as per the penance cosmetics you can have of the poster dudes
tulip sand
I ensure to always wear a helmet so I am less protected and more expendable
storm jungle
tulip sand
My understanding is that each of the voiceline personalities is one reject so theres like 40 or something who joined the warband and the rest didnt make it
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much thats the safer bet.
tulip sand
So for havoc at least its an inquisitorial kill team loaned out to a commissar
Tbh my headcanon was always that they wouldnt bother picking up the rejects and dealing with potential contamination until they proved their worth
storm jungle
Yeah its to essentially appease Dukane which makes sense, since the aim is to make her think she has some modicum of power when in reality we dont have to do anything she asks of us as per the power-structure of the Inquisition.
Rannick himself says as much.
tulip sand
Well rannick also didnt know the cult was called admonition until now lmao
storm jungle
Tbh my headcanon was always that they wouldnt bother picking up the rejects and ...
Yeah its why the "launch" title missions are the ones that are implied to be repeated by other operatives and why the voice-over characters for them are so casual about you not making it.
tulip sand
Did he not check out the atoman OST?
storm jungle
Compared to now where you are ALWAYS handpicked and got full faith by most of the officers.
"This team doesn't know defeat!" 
tulip sand
I do wish that they had a slight difference in voice overs for when you are lvl 30
storm jungle
Yeah thats only relegated to your character
tulip sand
Like the boys on the ship
storm jungle
whos voicelines actually change as you level up between each other
tulip sand
whos voicelines actually change as you level up between each other
Wdym
storm jungle
and yea also the ship guards which is nice, as much as i miss the shit-talking lines sometimes lol
tulip sand
I mean i think hadron also complements us by saying existence is more tolerable after we talk
Or that could mean now that shes done with us she has a will to live
storm jungle
Wdym
Yeah your voicelines change as you level up, the low level banter is VERY hostile and blank due to no one liking each other.
By the time you go past level.30/onwards they will mention now they are a part of the Ordo Hereticus as well as having taken the Hereticus oath.
this was stated by the devs like a year ago
tulip sand
When you say they do you mean the ship guards?
tulip sand
I do recall dying on my vet early on and someone's voice line was like 'lmao cya loser' and now recently with trying to hit havoc 25 i die a lot more and they seem more like 'we remember your service'
storm jungle
Yeah its very subtle but its there.
the tone of camaraderie also increases
well unless its a zealot/psyker
"Die, spare us thy burden."
💀
tulip sand
I wish there was a bit more of it from whoever is hosting the mission, since there are only 40ish repeat rejects who succeed they wouldn't be as flippant about it
storm jungle
when you got over 500,000 voicelines yeah it tends to get lost lol
(actually i think it was even more but still)
tulip sand
Damn lmao
I was wondering if they would add a new personality in the slopshop but i dont think so now
median star
i wonder if any have such rare specifications to proc that they actually havent yet
tulip sand
Probably, because for a lot of missions you'll have clones of the same personality, so anything involving 3+ ppl yapping would be rare
storm jungle
I was wondering if they would add a new personality in the slopshop but i dont t...
That would never be the case, it would probably be DLC with the gargantuan amount of work required so i doubt we'll ever get it.
rare moment where id actually excuse it lol
tulip sand
Like imagine if they get the guy from far cry 3 to voice a psyker I'd pay for that
storm jungle
tulip sand
Vos
tulip sand
Yuh
tulip sand
When it came out i was still playing star wars battlefront on my ps2 dawg
storm jungle
thats gay
tulip sand
Literally the only game i played for so long, i thought all games were like that so when i played the force unleashed and saw bodies in the first mission i was like 'damn the match already started'
storm jungle
tulip sand
Also, lets say everyone on atoma washes their hands and the situation is resolved and under control, what would happen to the rejects? Face the wall?
I doubt every problem an inquisitor faces needs a horde of prisoners
storm jungle
Also, lets say everyone on atoma washes their hands and the situation is resolve...
The ones that are a part of the warband would be added to the main force of grendyl's troops, the unimportant ones would be executed.
storm jungle
Lmao yeah but any Inquisitor can have a small army.
it just depends on their modus operandi
theres a reason some Inquisitors are like jason bourne
while others do full on planetary purge-invasions
tulip sand
I think grendyl is like that guy who was in a big metal egg and a strong psyker
storm jungle
Ravenor?
storm jungle
Lmao
tulip sand
Bro probably fat asf in there
But thats the only way we could be not corrupted right? Iirc apparently even the noise the poxers made when they ambush us is enough for mind break
storm jungle
Yeah but if you are a total wuss
remember all the characters are veterans of some kind and have fought in many battles
Or seen actual occult shit.
tulip sand
Or crazy
storm jungle
Zealots moment but yes
Also its said repeatedly that we are regularly screened and de-contaminated on return to the ship.
tulip sand
Well zealot i get because the emperor is now a chaos entity or smth because of all the belief
storm jungle
down to sometimes "opening us up" with "blessed scalpels" and shit
tulip sand
Oh
storm jungle
Brahms asks Kayex for that specifically after the phage tree mission
because like yeah you saw what that fucking room looks like
tulip sand
Im so glad we actually do something to it now
Before it was like "erm im only allowed to watch the plague, not stop it"
storm jungle
Yeah the first phase was mostly to gather actual samples of it before we got to destroying it, considering the amount of rework that went into the level im pretty sure it was pre-planned
tulip sand
What was reworked aside from the ending?
storm jungle
A lot of the vocators for the level, minor changes to make the level even look more infected, and the entire final segment
it was a lot more "clean" in the past, even on the path to the phage tree
tulip sand
Oh yeah isnt there an audience now
storm jungle
Yeah theres like 3 versions
tulip sand
Tbh maybe it would be cool to have the old version for the first 3 levels, then the new one after
So new players can get that same change we did
storm jungle
Wolfer/Morrow
Kayex/Brahms
2 Representatives of the Noble Houses / Morrow and Hestia
it was a lot
storm jungle
Yeah it depends on the difficulty too
the finale is a fucking clusterfuck because theres so many enemies
tulip sand
That plus I think the carnival levels should be locked until the prior one is done so that the stimms storyline is coherent
And you get separated if you had to use auspex i remember it being annoying
storm jungle
Yeah i do wish there was a "levels in order" mode
me and my friend Rabs have been setting up the order as much as we could on the wiki lol
tulip sand
I think the base levels are pretty much just repeatable
storm jungle
The launch ones yeah, anything after that is in order
tulip sand
But the throneside ones idk, and the carnival definitely not
storm jungle
Its documented here but its pretty much what you expect
everything from The Signal and onwards is a one-and-done mission minus the Phage Tree which is a continuation
tulip sand
I used to play darktide on a laptop and it was really probably a bit more than it could handle, but now that I have a pc im more immersed because it looks better lol
storm jungle
DAN ABNETT
They really should have made it clear he just made background fluff lol
he does help with some new mission narrative stuff but its like shit you kinda need to dig into like we did lol
median star
krall still my top morningstar guy
tulip sand
Its the overall stuff like the whole concept of morbian 6 turning traitor and being deliberately recalled
median star
it was mostly done to show "Yes this game actually has a story"
you think itd be more likely we get darktide part two or a diff type of tide game that isnt also vermin
storm jungle
you think itd be more likely we get darktide part two or a diff type of tide gam...
doubt it, this game has like 4-5 more years in it
Vermintide 2 has been out for like... how many years now?
and its still getting content
median star
like 7 or 8 i think
tulip sand
It only just got to what it was expected to be recently with the crafting reworks
They'd have to relearn everything again
celest dome
you think itd be more likely we get darktide part two or a diff type of tide gam...
DT isn't in the same situation as Vt1 was
tulip sand
Vermintide 2 lessons learned are like STC lost knowledge to fatshark
celest dome
Vermintide 2 has been out for like... how many years now?
6
tulip sand
Also DT is part of 40k which is a growing franchise
Iirc total war warhammer helped boost AoS but it still isnt the same
celest dome
I don't doubt that we might still see a new tide game set in 40k or fantasy/AoS, but unrelated to either Vt or Dt
median star
Iirc total war warhammer helped boost AoS but it still isnt the same
they still need to come to console
celest dome
Iirc total war warhammer helped boost AoS but it still isnt the same
For Old World maybe, but not really that much for AoS
tulip sand
The total war games?
median star
ya
tulip sand
Thats gotta be unplayable on controller
median star
thats what you think but iv made worse work
median star
stellaris is relatively tame on controller tbh
tulip sand
Imagine renaming planets with a controller
median star
something like arma or war thunder tho its a problem and everyone that does use controller for them is going to have diff presets and give diff advice
median star
at one point i was contemplating trying to set a preset up for tarkov but i dare not go that far
rose thorn
ill need to look at the list again, but maybe it makes cav actually good
queen laurel
ill need to look at the list again, but maybe it makes cav actually good
apparently they have 42.97%
But somehow the remove factions being the beast men and Bonesplitterz are in the top three
rose thorn
apparently they have 42.97%
they are sneding them off with an explosion, i like the themeatic idea of the beasstmen and bonepslittaz going off with a big old assault at the endo fot he age of beasts
but beastmen and bonesplittaz are the literal best factions in the game
they even fucking buffed beastmen
queen laurel
but beastmen and bonesplittaz are the literal best factions in the game
yeah you nerf them by not making them available
rose thorn
LAMO
rose thorn
I think its, okay, they arent even considered in competetive stats because they are gonna die
queen laurel
LAMO
it's like why they are like OK we will make them busted but i have a plan to balance this out
deletes their entire existence
queen laurel
I think its, okay, they arent even considered in competetive stats because they ...
here's a GT thing
rose thorn
oh this is pre balance
also apparenetly Seraphon won the north china open championships
queen laurel
oh this is pre balance
yeah it seems they are doing average which is good
queen laurel
oh this is pre balance
well the thing is i don't really know where to find
bloody winrates
queen laurel
KO GOT SECOND PLACE??
some people are good so good in fact they make everything look good
but yeah to be honest i do not really know where to find win rates and stuff
rose thorn
its hard,
but
i liek woehammer
teh main competetive website has a paywall
a MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION
jesus christ beastmen have a 90% win rate
at last weeks GT
queen laurel
jesus christ beastmen have a 90% win rate
rose thorn
AHAHAHAAH
queen laurel
how the fuck does sons of behemat have 50%
rose thorn
how the fuck does sons of behemat have 50%
its a world shaking event
i dont even know what caused the meta shift tbh
oh i know FEC
the single list fec use got better
queen laurel
i know theres a guy in poland whos like, the best sob player ever
apparently the Estimated Win Rates if the Player Skill Levels were Equal
what the hell happened to the skaven
queen laurel
Maybe we finally leaned to work around them I’d have to checks
bro
they are all the way down there what the heck
arctic talon
Maybe we finally leaned to work around them I’d have to checks
Skaven only have one build rn
It’s ratling guns or bust
rose thorn
It’s ratling guns or bust
ah, i knew guns were really good but didn trelize it was that dire
when it first released nightrunner spam was the talk of the town
queen laurel
Skaven only have one build rn
Really their monsters are up to par?
I remember them getting those cool things
arctic talon
Too expensive
queen laurel
Too expensive
So you're telling me they got this cool looking thing but they can't even use it because
This thing is too expensive to run
languid meadow
Ah ratmade horrors beyond comprehension
arctic talon
So you're telling me they got this cool looking thing but they can't even use it...
Well you can run it, it’s just overpriced for what it brings
queen laurel
Well you can run it, it’s just overpriced for what it brings
Sad
remote widget
So, 6 custodes wardens can take out an entire hive fleet, but 1 nude world eater, is too much? Is this an example of the "powerbump" that custodes got when they were made a proper faction?
arctic talon
yes
opaque coyote
late osprey
honestly
barren prawn
spaghetti out of pockets is boomer tier this is poser brainrot
late osprey
i think for warhammer fantasy or AoS i'd prefer a more traditional RPG style
late osprey
not D20 per se
but just like an RPG game a la skyrim, kcd, etc etc
itd be cooler to explore the world that way
crystal forum
did storm bolters exist during the HH
i've just now realized i have not seen a single HH storm bolter
hexed orchid
did storm bolters exist during the HH
Yes, mainly used by terminators though
arctic talon
did storm bolters exist during the HH
No
arctic talon
Yes, mainly used by terminators though
those are combi bolters, different weapon same end result
crystal forum
twin linked bolters
arctic talon
Storm bolters are a post heresy invention
a Combi bolter is twin linked has 2 dif magazines + ammo feeds, ect.
its just 2 bolters fused into one
a Storm bolter is designed to feed from a single magazine, one trigger, ect.
You could fire one combi bolter barrel at a time if you wanted but not with a storm bolter
hexed orchid
arctic talon
Combi bolters also have jamming issues lore wise
which is funny
because that makes 0 fucking sense
late osprey
yeah it should be the other way around LMAO
you'd think the more pressing issue with the gun would be the duct tape tearing or something
opaque coyote
you'd think the more pressing issue with the gun would be the duct tape tearing ...
Or just idk
Half the gun not working
So you just have a shittier bolter
Or a shittier flamer
Also the ammo consumption would be more
Although jamming would be less of a problem. I still imagine maintenance would be hell
Also
@dusk patrol https://youtu.be/hzF7vatYnA0?si=4ynIMVDy2zfZEpI3
opaque coyote
"Although some of our Primarchs are still alive-"
average thanksgiving argument ensues
opaque coyote
It is amusing
I think the funniest part is the Black Templar actually being somewhat reasonable
Also I think I heard the Iron Hand say that Ferrus died on Istvaan
dapper gyro
a Storm bolter is designed to feed from a single magazine, one trigger, ect.
Storm bolter is 1 trigger, but the feeding is just 2 mag sticked into 1.
Functionally, still 2 guns.
arctic talon
Storm bolter is 1 trigger, but the feeding is just 2 mag sticked into 1.
is it? I'm pretty sure its one big mag
nvm its 2 mags glued together
wtf lol
languid meadow
Yeah it's really funny looking
dapper gyro
Like many other things in 40K, always sound over the top, but it is so ordinary.
languid meadow
wouldn't have it any other way
rose thorn
my partner is discorveinrg the space wolf models, she plays deathwatch so her reaction to these fucking models is beautiful
vagrant fox
That dude is just named swan
hasty coral
Could Trayzn get into the Golden Throne Room?
I’m assuming probably since I don’t THINK it has protections against The Necron’s level of tech
Especially Trayzn’s general shitfuckery
arctic talon
Could Trayzn get into the Golden Throne Room?
Probably? But he won’t be able to do much before he’s caught
And also the emperor is constantly giving off a big psychic aura
That scorches armor
hasty coral
Is it pyrokinetic?
Because it wouldn’t be able to effect a Necron unless it was like
Warp based fire
Like you can’t warp a Necron but you can throw a rock at them using the warp essentially
hasty coral
Probably? But he won’t be able to do much before he’s caught
Yeah no I just meant could he get in
arctic talon
It’s warp based fire
Yeah totally
He could def get in
Via pocket dimension stuff
hasty coral
How DOES the Necron psychic resistance work?
arctic talon
It doesn’t
arctic talon
Necrons are vulnerable to stuff that doesn’t effect the mind
And even then Some stuff still works
hasty coral
Do they have souls?
arctic talon
Messing with their senses still works
arctic talon
Do they have souls?
Don’t need one for psychic powers to work on you
hasty coral
Oh
hasty coral
So why did the Old Ones have a problem with the Necrons?
arctic talon
So why did the Old Ones have a problem with the Necrons?
The C’tan
hasty coral
If warp shit still like worked
hasty coral
Yeah I know like whole C’tan are only slightly below Chaos Gods
arctic talon
Well
Not really
But they were still absurdly strong
The old ones were just really powerful psykers
The Necrons and C’tan basically ground down the Old Ones
When an old one dies they’re gone for good
It’s impossible to fully kill a C’tan without damaging the fabric of reality which is what the old ones were avoiding
The Necrons got most of the way through with their genocide before the enslaver plague and such occurred
hasty coral
Enslaved plague?
Is that the uh
Flayer thing?
Or is that separate
I’m not really clear on how the War in Heaven ENDED
Like why did they stop?
How did the Necrons break free from the control?
I’ve heard conflicting answers
arctic talon
Like why did they stop?
How did the Necrons break free from the control?
The silent king was free of mind and turned on the C’tan with all the Necrons
hasty coral
That
arctic talon
Once the war in heaven genocide was mostly over
hasty coral
Why would the C’tan allow that
arctic talon
Then the old ones got finished off by the enslavers
arctic talon
Why would the C’tan allow that
Because his suffering was great
They enjoyed how much mental anguish he was in
Also the C’tan could have totally wiped out the Necrons
If they weren’t infighting
hasty coral
How did they shard the C’tan?
With what?
arctic talon
The C’tan grew weaker from fighting each other
arctic talon
How did they shard the C’tan?
With what?
Hitting them very very hard
C’tan don’t die when you defeat them, they split up into shards
hasty coral
Who are the Enslavers?
hasty coral
Oh
arctic talon
And are mine control things
hasty coral
The first daemons
arctic talon
tbf theres a few species like that in 40k
hasty coral
So why did the C’tan stop warring?
vagrant fox
Enslaved plague?
Enslaver Plague, enslavers are funny warp entities that do what their name implies
hasty coral
Because the Necrons turned on them?
arctic talon
So why did the C’tan stop warring?
They didn't, they were just infighting
hasty coral
OHHHH
arctic talon
while fighting the old ones
by the end of it
so then the Necrons turned on them
and the C'tan got totally fucked
and then they got torn apart and sharded
and then The Necrons went to sleep
hasty coral
So it was an anticlimactic end to the war
hasty coral
They both just kinda started having shit happen within their factions
arctic talon
Yeah
hasty coral
That makes more sense
arctic talon
The Eldar and krorks came out of the war in heaven pretty intact
And they were looking to put the necrons in the dirt
for what they did to the Old Ones
hasty coral
Well
tough haven
and then The Necrons went to sleep
arctic talon
we don't know what happened with the Krorks
we just know they devolved
but we do know that they were loyal to the Old Ones
hasty coral
So why did the Eldar stop?
arctic talon
The war?
the Necrons are gone, the enslaver plague is still an issue
might as well start your own empire
rather then fighting for a dead one
hasty coral
You said they wanted vengeance?
arctic talon
well they did do that
but they stoped caring eventually
A lot of necron tomb worlds got blown up or destroyed by the Eldar
but they had their own issues to deal with
like Chaos being born
hasty coral
I hate to be that guy but how do the Necrons EVER lose?
arctic talon
The Necrons mass slaughter of the old ones + war in heaven as a whole irreversibly fucked up the warp
hasty coral
Besides that though
arctic talon
tons of infighting and other issues
hasty coral
Like Eldar can be as good of fighters as they want but
arctic talon
Necrons are like a doomsday clock
hasty coral
You don’t just beat a super robot
arctic talon
well
they can
The thing with necrons is that they never stop coming
Most craftworlds don't bother with Necrons because the Necrons leave them alone
The Eldar Empire was a different story pre leadup to the fall
and they were actively seeking out Tombworlds to exterminate
before they woke up
hasty coral
Ok but here is one
They just strip atoms with their lasers
That’s
About as destructive as it gets without warping time and space
arctic talon
Dodge the lasers
Eldar are the way they are due to the fact that they were modified into weapons(to an extent)
Also the thing with Necrons is
they're sloooooooooooow
Slow reaction time, slow movement, slow to wake up ect.
aside from the elite ones like Triarchs, Lychguard, ect.
hasty coral
The Warriors aren’t exactly up to snuff with other faction soldiers no
arctic talon
The big thing with necrons is that there's a lot of them
and they're hard to kill
but on the upside they have a bunch of other issues holding them back
hasty coral
Aren’t the Necrons finite though?
hasty coral
Why can’t they just build more Necrons though?
arctic talon
The minds