40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Lol

[sour hornet]

they pick all the ones I don't like

and do unfun stuff with them

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about lore discussions

Not fanfic

[sour hornet]

so am i

[arctic talon]

Lol

[green loom]

I just hate it when people want to unironically call some of the genocidal death monsters "good people"

[arctic talon]

They’re good people the same way my grandpa was

[green loom]

This deplorable creature can smile so it must be 100% good at heart

....don't mind the planet it's destroying behind us that doesn't matter

[arctic talon]

I should have asked my grandpa if he did what I assumed he did

Then again maybe it’s best my perception of him remains as untainted as it is lol

[green loom]

I don't think it would've done much though granted my war criminal relatives did me the favour of actually dying in the war

[arctic talon]

💀

[opaque coyote]

So I am reading Trench Crusade lore

All I can say is

"1899 - church space program begins"

Mfs be like

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

"WE WILL FIGHT DEMONS IN SPACE!!!"

Either that or

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/g1Sq1Nr58hM?si=RquVJxiklvFRVMQ9

[arctic talon]

Iirc it’s literally just for science

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Considering how much religious shit is in here I'm actually surprised

[arctic talon]

Tbf it’s kind of like

The church in like

I forgot which period

But they’re doing science shit along with the god stuff

[opaque coyote]

"Thanks to these advances in metallurgy, titanic artillery
pieces exceeding 300 feet are constructed in the
foundries of New Antioch, while the forges of Hell
turn out truly colossal machines of death of their own
– the largest known piece, the dreaded Mouth of Hell
measuring a staggering 666 feet in length and boasting
1666 millimetres in calibre! The massive artillery
barrages pockmark no man’s land, creating a hellscape
on Earth between the Heretic and Faithful forces."

Beautiful

[arctic talon]

lol

The Silk Road is still active

Somehow

[opaque coyote]

Chinese mfs find out hell exists

"Don't care, need to trade that SILK"

[arctic talon]

I don’t know who the fuck the sultanate are trading with

On the other end

But the fact it’s still active is crazy lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly an Asian/Chinese faction would be crazy

Imagine like

Chinese Dragons

Vs Hell

Or Hell Chinese Dragons

[arctic talon]

💀

[opaque coyote]

Although it'd probably be more appropriate for them to come from heaven since Dragons were considered gods

[opaque coyote]

Bruh if Chinese wars for the Mandate of Heaven are crazy IRL, imagine it in their universe

With hell weapons and 1666 mm caliber artillery

[arctic talon]

Chinese zombies

[opaque coyote]

They hop around the battlefield like bunnies

[arctic talon]

🔥

Jokes aside I think they should flesh out what they have now

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

Also have they like progressed to WW2 style weaponry

Or is it a mix

[arctic talon]

It’s a cluster fuck

[opaque coyote]

True

[arctic talon]

Some stuff is clearly beyond WW2 era

[opaque coyote]

Probably save it for much much later

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty much anything pre modern day conflicts

[opaque coyote]

Makes sense considering that Hell and Heaven being real probably would change the technology path a lot

Although I wonder why swords and shit are more effective now

[arctic talon]

But WW2 stuff is def used

[arctic talon]

They’re not really

[late osprey]

the obvious progression to a space program is Rods of God tbh

[arctic talon]

For NA

For hell it’s because they’re fucked up hell weapons

[late osprey]

the church using science to nuke Hell

[arctic talon]

But NA melee weapons are exclusively for fighting off heretics overwhelming them in melee

99% of the time

[late osprey]

also the trench conditions make melee weapons at least somewhat viable

[arctic talon]

Only mech armor dudes

[opaque coyote]

Makes sense. Also NA is just like

Normal people right

Well

"normal"

[arctic talon]

Can really leverage melee

Beyond normal ass sword

But yeah a NA dude can stab a heretic legion dude fine

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I do really want to like

Somehow make a game between friends with this. It sounds fun

[arctic talon]

But it’s gona suck if you need to stab something worse

[opaque coyote]

Either that or 40k but I need to buy figurines

[arctic talon]

Mech armor dudes can actually like

Use a melee as a primary weapon

[late osprey]

yeah but why do that when you can bring dakka

[opaque coyote]

I tried to find the nearest GW store

[arctic talon]

Or named characters lol

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

But those don’t count

[opaque coyote]

IT'S TWO HOURS AWAY.

[arctic talon]

Don’t need to be official

GW’s store finder

Like

Can search unofficial ones as well

[late osprey]

are there named characters in TC?

[arctic talon]

In any case use tabletop simulator

[arctic talon]

In lore, not on the table(yet) probably

But a chunk of them run around with melees as their primary weapon

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Oh wait nvm there is a nearer store

[late osprey]

oh yeah

[arctic talon]

But yeah unofficial stores

Are better

[opaque coyote]

But it's still a half an hour drive

[arctic talon]

Bigger discount

[late osprey]

hopefully named hcaracters never show up on tabletop tbh

[arctic talon]

Rip

[arctic talon]

I agree

[opaque coyote]

Used GWs store finder as well

Why the fuck are suburbs a thing I swear to God

[queen laurel]

good at least there are users for their cavalry after

[arctic talon]

American dream™️

[opaque coyote]

Honestly the most crushing realization I had is that PC Gaming is unironically one of the cheaper hobbies that exist

Or the most expensive

Oscillates

[arctic talon]

Lol

People think I’m weird for not running any of the more monstrous stuff from Iron sultanate

However they do not realize

The power

Of bomb

Explosives are so much fun lol

[opaque coyote]

Like I want to get into the Tabletop but there is one

Horrible obstacle

I have to talk to people

[late osprey]

honestly really like the idea of just a normal dude list for the sultanate

[queen laurel]

For me it's my incredibly clumsy ogre hands and i am f****** stupid

[opaque coyote]

I have to go out and ask people to play. And I don't really know where.

[opaque coyote]

Also the fact that I probably need to learn how to not fuck up horribly

[queen laurel]

I would probably accidentally break the model with holding it wrong

[opaque coyote]

On painting

[late osprey]

40k really is the school of hard knocks of social interactions

[arctic talon]

Incendiary grenades, normal grenades, normal people, it’s tons of fun

[late osprey]

you gotta hone the gumption to tell someone you won't get suckered into a 5 hour game against their Fish of Fury list

[arctic talon]

With how cheap sultanate grenades are

They’re only 7 buckaroos

[late osprey]

if you cant talk to people you'll get scammed into playing the most unfun games of your life

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

"come on bro just a quick game against my harlequin flyers haha"

either you learn to shut that down or you waste your sunday

[queen laurel]

It's always a coin flip sometimes you meet good people

Sometimes you meet people that believe in hitler

[arctic talon]

More good people

[late osprey]

its easy to be agreeable

[arctic talon]

In my experience

[late osprey]

the hard part is saying no to unfun lists

[arctic talon]

I’ve agreed to play against abhorrent lists before

[queen laurel]

Yeah most of the time you're going to get the lucky with the good people part

[arctic talon]

Because I’ve cooked up something even fouler

For special occasions like that

[queen laurel]

Coming from the absolute bastard icon main

I am not surprised

[arctic talon]

I will fight cancer with cancer

I only bring out the abhorrent lists when time calls for it

[late osprey]

"whats wrong with my knight list bro?"

[queen laurel]

Your enemy pulls up to the convention with gas weapons you pull up with a disease that magically forces them to kill their family

The elite wolf special as i say

[opaque coyote]

The Chemical Weaponry and Disease causes a mutation

Now you have

[arctic talon]

Iron sultanate are my favorite though

So Far

[opaque coyote]

Chlorine AIDs

[arctic talon]

I love how mobile they are

I love all the explosives with mines and grenades

[queen laurel]

Are they also semi elite

[arctic talon]

Alchemist rounds let me modify stuff

[arctic talon]

Not really

That’s New Antioch with medium machine armor

Iron sultanate is cheaper stuff or elite stuff with no inbetween

[late osprey]

every faction does have the cheap scrubs that seem to be mostly identical

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

except NA is more scrub-friendly because of fireteams

[arctic talon]

Azebs are the most mobile

[queen laurel]

What's the army that in your experience place the closest to orcs or ironjawz

[arctic talon]

And they get guns

[queen laurel]

Really just wanting to get in there with really hard hitting people

[late osprey]

probably satans

[arctic talon]

Prolly Seven headed serpent or heretic legion with melee stuff

[late osprey]

court of the 7 yeah

[arctic talon]

NA melee mech armor stuff is funny

But doesn’t go well most of the time

[late osprey]

well it depends on what SPECIFIC aspect of orcs

melee orcs or dakka orcs

[queen laurel]

What about the guys that look like plague eaters from darkest dungeon 2

[arctic talon]

I’m assuming melee

[late osprey]

because dakka orcs, NA is top

[arctic talon]

Black grail is weird

[late osprey]

melee i would go court of the 7th

[arctic talon]

They’re really weird

[late osprey]

just a few really tough thugs

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Court of the 7th is neat

[queen laurel]

They're not slow lumbering armored targets that will grind you down?

[arctic talon]

But Iron sultanate get skirmishers

[arctic talon]

Yesnt?

They have a lot of surprisingly mobile stuff

[late osprey]

black grail is mostly about zombies

[arctic talon]

Or squishy stuff

[late osprey]

hordes and such

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Loads of trash

[queen laurel]

Oh they are overwhelming you

[arctic talon]

They have a few durable things

But most of it is just

Drown them in corpses

[queen laurel]

enough zombies that they would give a total war helman ghorst player around for his money

[arctic talon]

Iron sultanate skirmishers my beloved

[queen laurel]

Got it

[arctic talon]

They get to fire and fade and cuck charges

[late osprey]

NA's main thing is fireteams which let you shoot with more than one dude at once

[arctic talon]

Yeah

NA is spicy

[late osprey]

which in a tactical game can be very strong

all of my MGers are in a fireteam to just bulletstorm whoever i dont like

everyone else is just screening

[opaque coyote]

@arctic talon this might be a weird question but like

Why do "heretics" exist

Like does hell corrupt them or

[arctic talon]

They just were exposed to hell, they worship it, it’s the only way to survive

Ect.

[late osprey]

heretics are made up of preexisting psychopaths IIRC from the lore

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also lol

A lot of psychopaths and crazies end up among the heretics

Or trench pilgrims

Lol

[queen laurel]

Is new Antioch like the imperial guard like they are basically the run of the mill soldiers?

[opaque coyote]

So basically similar to Chaos in 40k.

Some think they can benefit from Hell

[late osprey]

there's TECHNICALLY rationality in the sense that if you genuinely believe satan is the winning side, then it's better to join it and just get lost in the sauce

[opaque coyote]

Some just wanna kill people

[arctic talon]

They’re normal people yeah

[opaque coyote]

And some only join because it was either that or death

[late osprey]

but specifically only psychotics get very far in the ranks

[arctic talon]

New Antioch and Iron Sultanate troops are

Generally normal

The specialists are a little crazier

But they tend to be normal men and women

[opaque coyote]

Also does Heaven send like

[arctic talon]

Heaven doesn’t help

[opaque coyote]

Biblically accurate angels to help

[arctic talon]

Beyond giving knowledge generally

[arctic talon]

No

Hell doesn’t do the same

Heaven and Hell agreed to not intervene

[late osprey]

the actual heretic legion recruitment process is a game of Infernal Chicken where the further you get into hell before backing out, the more of a bigshot you are become the faction

[arctic talon]

Because they will fuck up reality with actual intervention

[arctic talon]

It’s so funny lol

[late osprey]

so only people who are pure evil actually get far

[opaque coyote]

So basically it's a proxy war with humanity as their Vietnam essentially

[arctic talon]

Yes

Well

[queen laurel]

So they only give knowledge both of them but

[arctic talon]

Humans opened the portal to hell

In Jerusalem

[queen laurel]

Then does that mean that they also don't give the blessings

[arctic talon]

Or rather the crusaders did

[late osprey]

Hell is the more active participant of the two

[arctic talon]

Good job crusaders

[queen laurel]

They get it from you know working themselves

[late osprey]

but direct manifestations still dont exist

[arctic talon]

Yeah Hell sends material up often

[late osprey]

historically accurate

[arctic talon]

The only real war material like

Heaven has sent down

Is the Iron Wall lol

Which yeah I guess that does count

[late osprey]

i like how in the first crusade records the debate isn't whether the crusaders engaged in mass cannibalism

but only ot what extent it was for fun

[arctic talon]

The faithful also uh

Came up with artillery shells

Of god speaking backwards

And that unmakes reality

Or fucks with it

I forgot which one, either way you die if you get hit by them

[late osprey]

day 34835 of saying NA needs an radio operator for artillery

aint no way heretics get artillery before NA

[arctic talon]

I agree

[queen laurel]

I cast artillery witch

[arctic talon]

Also The Iron sultanate alchemical creature are

So weird

Where the fuck are they getting all the meat from

Actually never mind

I figured it out

[late osprey]

i mean the wall is around like

all of turkey

surely there's enough for shitloads of cattle

[arctic talon]

It’s the Ottoman Empire no?

Not just Turkey

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I just realized there has to be a lot of farm animals

But also I have a feeling the alchemical creatures might use some human flesh lol

Since they can operate fire arms

[queen laurel]

I mean they can also just be growing them in meat labs right

Or is the technology not that far yet

[arctic talon]

Maybe

The house of wisdom is a private venture

Lol

The sultanate doesn’t get to see what they’re really doing

[late osprey]

its just anatolia IIRC

[arctic talon]

I c

[late osprey]

if it was the extent of the ottomon empire the whole of TC would be taking place within the iron wall

which would be a very shitty wall

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I just realized that

Lol

[late osprey]

"gee thanks Allah"

[arctic talon]

Okay so the Lions of Jabar are just animals and meat

The Brazen bulls are probably just animals and meat

[late osprey]

they're each said to be unique if i remember right

or maybe its only one of their weird creatures

[arctic talon]

Yeah each is unique and hand crafted by alchemists

And sometimes the experiments go wrong and kill the alchemist

[queen laurel]

Bro this thing looks like an ogre slap together with a minotaur

I think their using more than just

Normal animals

[late osprey]

since they're casting a wide net about the lore, im really curious to see how Jews will appear in the setting

especially if it ties to Israelite roots

aka the mightiest warriors of the ancient world

[arctic talon]

They are grown

And they have no organs

The only way to kill a brazen bull or Lion of Jabar is to chop it up fully and burn everything

The house of wisdom is such an odd subfaction

They don’t get any normal Sultanate stuff beyond the weapon selection and Alchemy stuff

[queen laurel]

Does the bull or the lion regenerate

[arctic talon]

You don’t get Azebs or janissaries

[arctic talon]

Yes

That’s why you need to chop them up then burn it

You need to cauterize all the wounds

[queen laurel]

Okay so basically warhammer trolls that fight the so-called good guys

And also carry around giant weapons

[opaque coyote]

Why backwards

[arctic talon]

But yeah the house of wisdom is weird

[arctic talon]

God speaking forward makes stuff

God speaking backwards unmakes stuff

[late osprey]

they're all nominally on the same side

[opaque coyote]

...that actually makes sense

Huh

[late osprey]

it's just that a lot of Sultanate Gangsters have a serious axe to grind against Christians

for causing Armageddon

[opaque coyote]

So theoretically I wonder if their universe if God said "Let there be light" backwards, would everything just be unmade

[late osprey]

and sometimes do "friendly fire" when they encounter bands on the field

[arctic talon]

The Iron Sultanate also really hates the crusaders that are still alive

And will just kill them

They don’t care if they’re repentant or not

[late osprey]

yeah

its said IIRC that the sultanate and christendom are, geopolitically speaking, allies

but practically speaking the chaos of the warzone means that they shoot each other semi-frequently

willingly

[arctic talon]

I really should try the Iron Sultanate House of Wisdom subfaction

Tbh

Just for the all the alchemist stuff

[opaque coyote]

"I HATE YOU I FUCKING HATE YOU RAAAHHH"

[queen laurel]

New antioch is my favorite human faction

[arctic talon]

Being able to run 3 Alchemists would be fun

[queen laurel]

But i will see what's the court of the seven is about

[arctic talon]

Something something we are the right path forward and everyone else is wrong

[late osprey]

so i thought court of the seven were literal demons

[arctic talon]

Nah weirdly enough

[late osprey]

but apparently that isnt so

[arctic talon]

Lol

They really do look that way though

[queen laurel]

One of their models straight up looks like a goddamn demon prince

[arctic talon]

its not a demon smh

there's a human in there

somewhere

[queen laurel]

Also wolf quick question which faction runs the most communicants

[arctic talon]

Or animal

[late osprey]

all im saying is if i saw a guy in no man's land from the same faction as the guys who started the end of the world

[arctic talon]

Trench pilgrims or NA

[late osprey]

maybe a little fragging would be okay

[queen laurel]

And how do these guys play

[arctic talon]

Trench pilgrims is tons of trash

[late osprey]

trench pilgrims are kinda like Good Guy Black Grail

[arctic talon]

With some good stuff

You have the second cheapest infantry in the game

[queen laurel]

Is it the bog down the enemy with garbage and let the heavy hitters get the good stuff in

Hmm i see

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

[queen laurel]

And na being new Antioch

[arctic talon]

NA likes communicants

But they got other stuff

[queen laurel]

Those guys are what like the basic army

[late osprey]

so most units are specific to factions, but there are some that are called mercenaries

[arctic talon]

And Iron Sultanate has the alchemical creatures

^

The tank hunter one

[late osprey]

which is essentially code for they can be brought into more than one faction's army

[arctic talon]

Is really good in NA

[late osprey]

yeah

meshes really well with their playstyle

[queen laurel]

So is NA just like

[late osprey]

i would say OVERALL trench pilgrims would be the faction for communicants

[queen laurel]

Hard hitting

[late osprey]

cuz you dont HAVE to run all scrubs

[queen laurel]

Elites

[late osprey]

you can have a small gang of communicant thugs

[queen laurel]

Supported by infantry that

Not that tough

[late osprey]

NA is basically imperial guard

you can have a few elites supported by screeners, or just a bunch of scrubs

[queen laurel]

Hmm

[late osprey]

though that doesnt really say much i realize, since every faction is kinda like that

[queen laurel]

Good enough for me i like imperial guard

[arctic talon]

NA can be marines

[late osprey]

but NA has a very big shooty focus

[arctic talon]

Tbh

With just mech armor spam lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah that works

[arctic talon]

Tbh NA resembles guard in 40k the most

[late osprey]

i would say trench pilgrims are the melee-moded cousin of NA

they both have OPTIONS for "off-spec" (melee NA, ranged pilgrims)

[arctic talon]

Bro it’s 25 extra ducats to get an alchemist who knows medicine 💀

[late osprey]

but their lists are designed around shooting/clobbering respectively

[arctic talon]

What the fuck are they teaching them in the house of wisdom bruh

[queen laurel]

What's the super elite unit of the na like the biggest and meanest thing they can bring to the table

Is it the power armored humans

[late osprey]

the mechas, definitely

you can give the mechs flamers, machineguns, or run them melee like wolf said earlier

they only move 5" to everyone else's 6" iirc

adding to the juggernaut fantasy aspect

oh you can also give mechas super shotguns or whatever their proper term is

heavy weapon shotguns

great for a prussian playstyle

[queen laurel]

So this big guy next to the soldier

[arctic talon]

Mechanized heavy infantry

[late osprey]

yeah exactly

the guy on the right is just some yeoman

guy on the left is the terminator

[arctic talon]

I can’t wait for the mechanized medium infantry tbh

NA’s roster is surprisingly small

Tbh

But they also have a fuck ton of subfactions to play with

[queen laurel]

I'm guessing that a single one of these guys won't stand up to the other super elites of the other groups

[arctic talon]

And a big armory

[queen laurel]

You know giant monsters and stuff

[late osprey]

i mean it really depends

[arctic talon]

Tbh with a big enough gun

[late osprey]

i'd say the NA mechs can bring the most firepower of any of the units

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Yep it solves the problem

[arctic talon]

NA has a lot of guns lol

[late osprey]

but they're gonna be kinda shit in a melee fight against Lord Azoborius of the Seventh Court

[arctic talon]

And you don’t just have 1 mech armor as well tbh

You can get more

It’s just for the initial warband you can only start with 1

[queen laurel]

Okay so court of the seven is the currently undisputed meleepower house

Does the good faction have any of that stuff

[late osprey]

trench pilgrims can fight them in melee im pretty sure

but 'can fight them' isnt the same as being the best either

seventh court is very specialized

trench pilgrims are relatively more flexible

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Seventh court is all in on melee

[late osprey]

actually you can have 2 or 3 iirc, the limit is specifically for non-mechanized infantry units

[queen laurel]

I'm not the biggest fan of the aesthetics of the heretic legions

[arctic talon]

Wait can you start with 2? Huh

Neat

[queen laurel]

So looking for their good guy alternative

[arctic talon]

I’m only familiar with Sultanate stuff tbh

And Heretic legion

[late osprey]

yeah your limit is 1 EXCEPT for the specific mechanized infantry unit

[arctic talon]

I c

[late osprey]

so like you can put your officer in power armor

[arctic talon]

OH

That makes sense

[late osprey]

you can actually run more mechas than you can bring machineguns

which is lame but whatever

[late osprey]

trench pilgrims definitely would be where its at

the melee communicants are serious bruisers

and they do have a melee-only mech of their own

[dusk patrol]

Red Brigade go hard for NA

Made up of soldiers who have all lost someone close to them in battle.

[late osprey]

@queen laurel these are the guys you want

if you want to kill in melee while still being Good Guys

[queen laurel]

Are these the biggest mechs the so-called good guys can employ

[dusk patrol]

Them and Communicants

[dusk patrol]

Biggest period

[late osprey]

i actually do think so

[dusk patrol]

I don't think anything is as large as them on the tabletop currently.

Some are close.

They're ungodly expensive but they fuck shit up.

[late osprey]

yeah you can run these guys when you can't afford more shrine anchorites

so good-guy Seventh Court list would look like Shrine Anchorites and Melee Communicants

just let them loose on the heretic pig-dogs

[queen laurel]

All right i like them

[dusk patrol]

Lots of trash protecting your beatstick elites who close the gap and unleash holy fury on anyone they can.

[late osprey]

you can alternatively take tank-hunters instead to cover your shrine anchorite

[queen laurel]

I mostly go for aesthetics and lore when it comes to picking my army anyway

[late osprey]

like i said, trench pilgrims are pretty versatile in how you want to play them

[queen laurel]

And trench and new antioch look great

[dusk patrol]

TP also have the benefit that you could buy third party pretty easily to add to your diversity.

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Their aesthetic isn't too complex.

[late osprey]

you do have to take an officer but its up to you if you want to kit out said officer or just keep him as cheap as possible for more anchorites/communicants

[arctic talon]

I find it really funny combat medic is a mercenary

• also a NA option

I think its the only unit like that?

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/miyamoto-chris-pratt-san-he's-so-cool-he's-so-gif-4276221900741923469

[late osprey]

i'd recommend specifically running the War Pilgrimage subfaction for Trench Pilgrims since they can run 2 anchorites instead of 1

actually nvm they cant run communicants

[dusk patrol]

I mean with two Anchorites.

Can you even afford them?

Or want them?

[opaque coyote]

Mf has so many bells on her back

[dusk patrol]

Speakers by the ears

[languid meadow]

Machine armor is so cool

[muted hare]

Are there any books on trench crusade?

[late osprey]

not that i know of

the original lore was comprised exclusively of artstation blurbs to go with the art

but the people writing the game system have expanded on it

[queen laurel]

no as of right now

[late osprey]

still no books tho

[queen laurel]

but they do have a lore primer you can download

if you're not interested in game rules and stuff

[languid meadow]

Yeah there's the lore primer and some short stories

[muted hare]

Ahh thank you I was wondering how people on YouTube were getting character explanations and the world view on it

[languid meadow]

tho a lot of them were patreon exclusive but they shut that down and idk where you can find them anymore

[muted hare]

My only source has been YouTube videos on characters set in the universe

Kinda sucks I got hooked on them and was really looking forward to a couple books

[languid meadow]

TC is relatively new to the wargame scene

compared to the others at least

[muted hare]

Thank you

Take this

Nvm I can't send images

Lolol

[late osprey]

def. if you're interested i think a large part of it is creating your own warband

its like old school warhammer with how it invites homebrew

which is really awesome

my band's a NA regiment from france

[muted hare]

I mean it is definitely awesome you come up with your own view on it but id very much prefer to immerse myself in world that's already set

[late osprey]

what i mean to say is that the lore is set up to be open-ended and for you to make your own squad as a part of the larger factions

[muted hare]

That makes much more sense

[muted hare]

Which larger faction did you base your regiment on?

[late osprey]

the premise of the game aspect is that each player has an individual, personalized warband that is apart of one of the larger factions

so in my case i made a new antioch warband that's flavored off of france

its a bit like how in 40k you can make your own chapter of space marines

[muted hare]

Thanks for expanding my knowledge on this

Have you made any little models?

[late osprey]

not yet, i just like to write and play over tabletop simulator for now

[queen laurel]

can a liutenant be in mech armor

[late osprey]

the adventures of Lieutenant Guy and his Mechanized Parisians

[late osprey]

yes

but i dont have a model for one so i opted not to

im something of a WYSIWYG extremist

[muted hare]

What is WYSIWYG

Lolol

[late osprey]

what you see is what you get

[queen laurel]

aight i'm going to read lore a little bit

[late osprey]

basically in tabletop some people (like myself) prefer to play exclusively what their miniatures look like

others like to proxy

nothing against people who proxy it just gets very confusing for me to do that

so i just run exactly what the model has

[muted hare]

What is proxy?

[queen laurel]

then make my own warband but it's for lore purposes because i like making random crap

[muted hare]

I have never played tabletop so sorry for the questions

[late osprey]

when the character's rules don't follow what the model looks like

so like in 40k you can proxy a space marine as having a plasma gun even if his model doesnt have him have that

[muted hare]

I very much prefer this then

[late osprey]

i like to headcanon france as being big on guns but there's no lore for that

but germany is all about melee/shotguns

and france in WW1 basically invented the trench warfare

[queen laurel]

Can I make it so that mine is just a random gaggle of groups that are just insane and love hitting people

[muted hare]

Also what time period is tc set in?!

[late osprey]

writing your own warband's really just an exercise of creativity

a New Antioch unit that's filled with psychos isn't breaking any lore

[queen laurel]

i like that so i'm good

[late osprey]

basically the New Antioch premise is that military units come from all over Christendom to fight the good fight as volunteers

so you can have some native antiocheans or some dudes from the netherlands who show up to kill heretics

for example

[late osprey]

anachronistic WW1

[muted hare]

I think I might be a Germany enthusiast then🫡

[late osprey]

1918 but some of the tech is different

[queen laurel]

my idea is basically Grogz Face Breakers

Specialising in having small numbers but the company it's made-up of a lot of mechas

[late osprey]

yeah the state of prussia loves their close-quarters fighting

[queen laurel]

and the face breakers literally spearhead assaults like a ******* madman

[late osprey]

i dont think i have a specific name for my dudes as a whole yet

[queen laurel]

armed with giant melee weapons

[late osprey]

but i did name them all

gonna be real sad when Corporal Gaston gets bisected with a hell cleaver

[muted hare]

Dude lol imagine watching your brother in arms get completely domed by a spear from yards away

[late osprey]

all my yeomen are privates, all my mechas are corporals

led by a fearless lieutenant

[queen laurel]

i want a elite mecha army but i can also go with, the mad Communicant brigade

just any flavor of absolute devastation really

[late osprey]

new antioch mechas can be kitted out with heavy shotguns and shields

so they'd be badass as a stormtrooper unit

[queen laurel]

can't they also like carry great weapons

[muted hare]

Just looked up Antioch mechas

With a heavy shotguns I wouldn't wanna see that coming towards me

[late osprey]

yes but they dont get any special bonuses for them

wait no im wrong

they do

basically New Antioch mechas ignore all penalties for weapons with the Heavy keyword

which includes great weapons

[muted hare]

And by ignoring all penalties I'm assuming movement restricting penalties?

Can't think of any other penalties

[late osprey]

pretty much

[queen laurel]

yeah so my entire idea is literally just a mech company that are like brutes from ironjawz

Armored and wielding giant melee weapons they will basically spearhead an assault and destroy anything in front of them

[late osprey]

IIRC you can bring 4 mechas on the field

[muted hare]

Do the mechas wield any melee weapons?

[late osprey]

if you get the maximum amount of mechanized infantry and also give your officer mech armor

[muted hare]

Or just heavy ranged weapons

[queen laurel]

yes they can use every weapon

[late osprey]

RAW they can use any weapon yeah

[late osprey]

but its a real waste of a mecha if you just give him a pea shooter lmao

[queen laurel]

These guys are elite soldiers that are the best of the best so they are given

[late osprey]

you might as well give them the biggest weapons you can find

[queen laurel]

yeah

may aswell give them the biggest and meanest weapons you can find

[muted hare]

True lol

[queen laurel]

giant axes tower shields

giant automatic shotguns that should be mounted on a vehicle

[late osprey]

i might recommend making them italians

as they have rules where you can make some of them swiss guards which makes them immune to fear

would be quite handy when fighting demons i reckon

[queen laurel]

ok is this in the core book where do I find this on the pages

[late osprey]

https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/compendium/factions/

this is the short of it

referring specifically to papal states intervention force

the germans unfortunately are light-armor despite their melee focus

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah i see this can work

[late osprey]

i was considering making my dudes italian myself, but i couldnt afford nearly as many scrubs otherwise

but since you want a handful of elites it should work well

[queen laurel]

now mind you I'm only planning to write this as like some kind of lore thing, i am not trying to play

but i will admit this is definitely helpful

[late osprey]

yeah for sure

but hopefully it helps inform the lore

honestly id be shocked if the swiss guard in TC were anything BUT a bunch of melee mecha bruisers

[queen laurel]

Yeah if you're gonna bring that much mechs

You may as well put them in the front line so that they can take the brunt of the assault

[late osprey]

i mean if i was the pope

id want all of my guards to be in 12-foot tall hulk armor

[sharp pollen]

i want to ask an absolute disgusting question about 40k lore right now, but i dont know which one i should come up with...

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[sharp pollen]

alright i came up with one

do sisters of battle fuck

or they are like, complete saints

no dik, no masturbato

are they being enhanced/sterilised in this way

funny that they have huge fucking half-spheres with saint-signs on their chest piece

i wonder if somebody made a joke about that^ in some book

[late osprey]

dont think its ever been explicitly said one way or the other

[dusk patrol]

Theyre not enhanced, they do have relationships often portrayed

I’m sure some forbid it but most we see don’t have an issue

[sharp pollen]

they fuck then, ok thx

[dusk patrol]

Although it’s often more a fling than anything else

[queen laurel]

yeah but like those are the rare few these are literally religiously powered crazy battle nuns

Getting on a long term relationship with one is gonna be a hell of an achievement

[late osprey]

where?

[dusk patrol]

Cain, various Abnett books

Argenta shuts you down but she only does it for personal reasons

Not because she can’t

[queen laurel]

yeah but to be honest most sisters would do what she is doing

They are on the deep end of thinking that their life should just be used for battle

and is not suited for love

[dusk patrol]

Probably, it just depends

Orders vary a lot and some are much less on the frontlines

[queen laurel]

Yeah again there are examples of them genuinely falling in love

[dusk patrol]

Some are much more fanatical than others and what not, the main thing is as far as we see there’s no direct rule about it not being allowed

[queen laurel]

they are definitely capable of romance

It's just that more often than not their circumstances basically makes it hard to achieve

[late osprey]

funnily enough it seems to be mentioned that its a popular perception of Sisters that they're celibate in-universe

[opaque coyote]

I just think they don't even have to time to do it

Like they don't need to ban it because the Imperium probably works them to the bone lmao

"Can't take care of the kid, I have to shoot heretics."

"For how long?"

"IDK like 5 years?"

[late osprey]

the specific line that i saw was

"None at all: contrary to popular belief, the Adepta Sororitas doesn't actually require its members to remain celibate, although few find the time to take advantage of the fact."

so pretty much

[opaque coyote]

Kinda sucks for them, they barely have free time

At least Custodes have hobbies bruh

[late osprey]

ironically its probably the more civilian sororitas that are busier

soldiering is a lot of waiting around

[opaque coyote]

True

"The Imperium told me about the glory of killing the alien, mutant, and heretic."

"What they didn't tell me is that I'm gonna spend half of my fething time in the galaxy STANDING HERE."

[late osprey]

even high-tempo units like sisters or space marines probably spend an agonizing amount of time stuck on spaceships

[opaque coyote]

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING BATTLE BROTHER?"

"BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE!"

[late osprey]

battle barge parties probably go completely insane

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, Sisters probably start fucking around (not literally)

while SMs are probably boring since

they're hyperfocused and "muh emperor"

It doesn't matter how faithful you are for baselines though

Eventually they're gonna do some stupid shit

[late osprey]

very up to the chapter but the general trend seems to be that space marines are much like their fans

where their favored entertainment is always extremely violent

in general space marines probably just beat the crap out of each other to pass the time

the more dignified chapters might make it a more ritualized situation and duel with weapons

space marines are OBSESSED with killing after all

also, space marines heal extremely quickly so the chances of one getting taken out through an accident is extremely low

[opaque coyote]

yeah but generally it's either sparring

or reading

or whatever

World Eaters actually used to read and do art in their free time

Basically a lot of them were actually fairly educated

It's just that the uh

the nails

[late osprey]

honestly i would bet the average space marine squad's idea of entertainment isn't "sparring" so much as just brawling like it's after-class middle school

it'd fit the bill considering their average developmental age

[opaque coyote]

honestly their version of sparing is probably equivalent to uh

omni man vs a viltrumite

if ykwim

[late osprey]

"let's just break each other's noses in the launch deck lmao"

[opaque coyote]

Honestly due to their heightened regeneration, shit like a broken nose, a black eye, etc. probably don't matter to them

[late osprey]

yeah exactly

if im stuck on a ship with my brothers jacked up on psychotic indoctrination

i bet my only idea of fun would be beating someone up

and since normal humans would turn to red paste (and we unfortunately need them to run the ship or something), that means it's Fight Club Central on the battle barge until we get out of the warp

[opaque coyote]

then again, world eaters literally spent their time reading

so who knows

[late osprey]

imperial fists prefer scrimshaw

chapter cultures vary heavily

but generally id be shocked if brawling wasn't always a common passtime among space marines

[late osprey]

eventually you're gonna run out of books sized for your gigantic hands anyway

and then you're basically stuck with travel-sized books, those are never fun to read

let alone the font size

we called world eaters the "Four-Eyes Legion" back in the day

[opaque coyote]

Also on the other hand

Rex actually managed to become a better person in S3

Man actually got smarter by being shot in the head

[late osprey]

honestly i would also expect space marines to have absolutely neurotic passtimes if not brawling or reading

like

taking apart and putting back together their boltguns

for like 8 days straight

[opaque coyote]

Prayer 24/7

[late osprey]

i could see that being meditatitive for space marines

[opaque coyote]

It kinda sucks that the sisters are often kinda less human than SMs

but that's probably due to their lack of appearances in comparison

[late osprey]

they surely are more human

[opaque coyote]

yeah, kinda feel less human sometimes tho

although that goes more for named characters

the average sm is much more boring but like

[late osprey]

well even "normal" space marines we'd consider to be wholly insane if they were in a human

[opaque coyote]

i can't remember any interesting Sister of Battle characters other than Argenta

[late osprey]

like in sm2 theres the tactical marine and his bros ask him "man why are you so happy all the time?"

hes just

'I just LOVE killing! :-D'

and hes definitely one of the normal ones

[opaque coyote]

true

but tbf so is like

95% of the imperium

actually no wait

100%

like the definition of "good" and "evil" definitely is different in the imperium

[late osprey]

well the rest of humanity just talks about loyalty or faith all the time like they're compensating

space marines just exist to kill

and they act like it

oh yeah i forgot about this

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Daily_rituals_of_a_Space_Marine

they get exactly 15 minutes of free time

which is apparently highly controversial

"however many Chapter Masters regard free time as a frivolous waste, and a dangerous distraction in the extreme."

even when they're not even deployed, they spend 15 hours a day fighting in some form LMAO

i bet in those lull periods the space marines are complaining about their schedules being boring

[opaque coyote]

"Brother Bobimus, what are you doing?"

"painting"

"...why?"

"Because I want to, why else would I-"

gets fucking punched

"FRIVOLOUS WASTE."

[late osprey]

"man this sucks we only got to kill shit for 60% of the day, so fking boring"

"wish we were at war"

[opaque coyote]

To be serious it does actually depend. I think chapters like the blood Angels actually do spend longer doing shit like

Art, non-murder based exercise, makeup

[sharp pollen]

"makeup" 💅

[opaque coyote]

I mean they are the literal only chapter that actually looks attractive

Most SMs basically are a bit unnatural

[late osprey]

that specific one is from 3rd edition so it probably is specifically referring to some sort of Codex-Compliant prescription

[sharp pollen]

who? im too lazy to read

[opaque coyote]

Blood Angels

[late osprey]

and it does say that the schedule varies quite a bit but whats listed there is probably just a vague most-common

[opaque coyote]

Yeah they're apparently special for being physically attractive

And also the Emperor's Children Pre-Heresy

But uh

They kinda uhh

[late osprey]

Blood Angels are attractive purely cuz of the genes

[opaque coyote]

[late osprey]

no makeup or anything

[opaque coyote]

I think they do actually spend time doing makeup

Although I could be misremembering

So give me a second

Lemme go to the wiki

[late osprey]

i always have a mental image of my head of some totally normal kid getting injected and his face contorts to look like fucking Chiseled Squidward

[arctic talon]

Tbh some BA are still like ugly

Post geneseed

It’s a case of how much did the geneseed effect you

[opaque coyote]

Was wrong about the makeup portion

They do however sleep a lot

Along with doing arts and poetry

Also meditation

[late osprey]

i think thats more attributed to what extent they engage in cannibalism

the longer you hold off on it, the uglier or older you appear

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines do need sleep but apparently they can go really long without it

So the Blood Angels are probably considered an anomaly for

Taking naps

[late osprey]

while if you drink too much blood you apparently turn into a fucking bat gorilla

[opaque coyote]

Inside a sarcophagus

[late osprey]

man Red Thirst lore is so goofy

blood angels are literally my favorite chapter which i suppose is why im so critical about it

[opaque coyote]

But hey, it sounds nicer than most chapters

I like naps

[arctic talon]

That’s more so aging

Iirc

BA look older if they don’t partake in the forbidden sippy cup

[late osprey]

yeah so you wither when you dont drink enough blood, but if you drink too much you look like a horrific monster

[arctic talon]

But sometimes you just end up ugly anyways

[late osprey]

"On the other hand, if a Blood Angel does not resist the Red Thirst at all, he will eventually mutate into a monstrous form with fangs and a bat-like face, and walk on all fours like a gorilla"

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah that comic LOL

[late osprey]

which i can only imagine is gradual

[arctic talon]

I forgot it was a thing

No

There’s an image

And yeah it’s gradual

[opaque coyote]

"Why don't I look good?"

[arctic talon]

It usually happens to the people chained up

[opaque coyote]

"I'm sorry man, you're just ugly."

[late osprey]

"The sons of Sanguinius are known to have handsome and noble features, mimicking that of their Primarch."

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf don't most SMs kinda look ugly

[late osprey]

you'd have to be SERIOUSLY ugly if the gene seed doesnt change that

[opaque coyote]

Well kinda

[late osprey]

blood angels are known for being basically Space Chad, but they're the exception

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But some BA do end up ugly

Like Dante’s art instructor

[opaque coyote]

Could just be a tiny Geneseed flaw

The beautification part didn't work

[late osprey]

some do and to those id say they're really unlucky

or just THAT ugly

i like to believe at a certain point the gene seed just can't fix you

[opaque coyote]

Oof

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1259603241801351268/1454100373037.png?ex=67b2efaf&is=67b19e2f&hm=8aeadca7734afb1ad84ae03d1ad6a281c07c6383491dad0b879c43655843d242&

[late osprey]

like if you look like rocky dennis the apothecarys gonna be like "sorry son, only so much we can do"

[late osprey]

LOL

[arctic talon]

It’s so bad

It’s good

Tbh most people on Baal and it’s moons are not lookers

Due to the horrific radiation

[opaque coyote]

Bro I would've just preferred them going bonkers and killing people

What is this

[arctic talon]

This is when they go too long

In the thirst

And have too much juice

[late osprey]

i mean surely the sanguinary priest would be careful to moderate your blood drinking

like WTF happened did they just leave the fucking fridge unlocked overnight?

'oughh i dranked it all'

[arctic talon]

Iirc they just mutate

Into that

If the thirst isn’t resolved for too long

[opaque coyote]

"we outta blood"

[arctic talon]

In any case Baal and it’s moons are all radiation saturated shitholes

[late osprey]

exactly

hence my mental image of a 30 second face reconstruction into looking like Space Chad

[arctic talon]

Dante was pretty lucky to have all his teeth still lol

[late osprey]

https://tenor.com/l7rKisGrEL6.gif

[arctic talon]

Lol

Then again Dante lived a pretty good life

[opaque coyote]

Go from STALKER Child Bandit to Hunk with this easy trick!

[arctic talon]

By Baal Secundus Standards

[late osprey]

my geneseed is a machine that turns MUTANTS into Hot Squidward

[opaque coyote]

"What about yours?"

"Well uh..."

[arctic talon]

Is this you?

[opaque coyote]

rubric stare

[late osprey]

lmfao

[arctic talon]

You’re missing the part where the dude is an AL plant lol

The paint is scraping off

[opaque coyote]

T.Sons can't like make any more actual Thousand Sons Marines right?

[arctic talon]

They can

Technically

They’ll just turn to dust

[late osprey]

look man some of the vials were labeled Blood Angels, some were labeled Thousand Sons

[arctic talon]

New sorcs are possible

But it’s hard

[late osprey]

not my fault someone mis-labeled them

[arctic talon]

Some random tech priest under Cawl during the primaris project

[opaque coyote]

So what do they grab a Psyker Child

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Shove a Geneseed into them

Hope they live

[arctic talon]

Also not all tsons sorcs

Are uh

Marines technically

[late osprey]

"aw shit this whole batch turned to dust i have no idea what happened"

[arctic talon]

Some of them don’t have geneseed

They’re bulked up with rituals and psychic powers

To make a “marine”

[late osprey]

a lot of chaos marines gene-seed with the equivalent of dirty alleyway needles, too

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah true.

Still kinda imagining them being like

[arctic talon]

Russian roulette with nurgle geneseed

[opaque coyote]

"GOD DAMMIT. I THOUGHT HE WAS A PSYKER"

[arctic talon]

Some of it is usable

Some of it explodes

[late osprey]

so few traitor legions are actually pure

[opaque coyote]

Except it's fully loaded

[arctic talon]

Some of it will kill everyone

We know death guard geneseed

Horrifyingly is reusable

[late osprey]

accidentally replenishing your warband with robbed Tsons geneseed lmao

[arctic talon]

FUCK

[late osprey]

"er.. abaddon sir... they all poofed in a puff of smoke"

[arctic talon]

Genuinely there has to be so many traitor marines with UM geneseed

Running around

[opaque coyote]

Do they have the lifespan of one

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Since usually attempts at making super soldiers outside of Geneseed uh

Fucking die in like 15 seconds

[arctic talon]

They’re basically marines made via Psyker stuff

Biomancy and such

[opaque coyote]

Oh sweet

[late osprey]

robbing loyalists seems to actually be a valid thing chaos marines will do to replenish

some real "put the geneseed in the bag" shit

[arctic talon]

The asassinorum disagrees

As does the mechanicus

Also the gland hounds lived fine

They just mostly died in their first deployment

[late osprey]

well some of the assassins they do keep in the fridge

[arctic talon]

The ones who survived lived pretty healthy lives

[arctic talon]

Eversors are pretty nuts yeah

[spare osprey]

Without a doubt. I mean what that one animated UM apothecary said it was like every 4 in 6 chapters was UM?

Traitors galore

[late osprey]

i vaguely recall reading somewhere that space marines do need to regularly get re-stimmed

though that might be a hallucination

[arctic talon]

It used to be over 70% of all chapters were UM stock

[spare osprey]

Jesus

[arctic talon]

The primaris lore wise evened it out

Slightly

Don’t ask about the logistics behind it

[spare osprey]

Ik there’s that lore more DA chapters are being made

To even it out

[opaque coyote]

"Bro I just killed a fucking Eversor but the Khornate Daemon said that it doesn't count because he had 'More Drugs than actual blood in his body.' Such bullshit man."

[late osprey]

"okay this Black Legion relic will only work for those with Horus's geneseed so we should be good"

[arctic talon]

Most common genestocks to pick from for LSM foundings are UM and DA

[late osprey]

'bad news, we're all ultramarines'

[arctic talon]

“Fuck”

[spare osprey]

I honestly just got an issue with the fact that like thousands of marines disappeared following the heresy

[arctic talon]

Every other geneseed has some deficiency

Or issues

[opaque coyote]

siighh

Shoves Bolter into mouth

[arctic talon]

They didn’t, Cawl was kidnapping children primarily

Only a few actual marines got vanished

[spare osprey]

Like where tf did easily over 60,000 DA go

[arctic talon]

Oh during the scouring?

Died

[spare osprey]

I mean in 2nd founding terms

[late osprey]

chaos marine short story about a black legion warband trying to find and kidnap the last ACTUAL black legionnaire left in existence

[arctic talon]

Probably

[arctic talon]

Oh I have 0 fucking clue

[spare osprey]

Like so many fuckin marines

Are just gone lol

[opaque coyote]

What are the DA's and Imperial Fists flaws again

[arctic talon]

Da have none

[late osprey]

imperial fists can't eat brains

[arctic talon]

Fists are missing the betchers gland

[spare osprey]

I think DA have like 3 chapters from there

[arctic talon]

And have a fucked up Sus membrane

[late osprey]

and you just know dark mechanicus are just mixing up whatever geneseeds they have in some ungodly concoctions

[arctic talon]

WS also have no defects but have mild compatibility issues

[spare osprey]

DA none, pretty much the most pure since they’re the first. IF can’t do the whole acid spit I think

[late osprey]

"genuine world eaters geneseed my friend, just give us 5 million slaves"

[arctic talon]

The gene sticks with no defects or other mutations for Geneseed

Are UM, DA and WS

[late osprey]

honestly the gene flaws that are basically like "you cant make any successors sorry lol" are so lame

[arctic talon]

IF got fucked up due to how many inductii they pumped out

[late osprey]

like what do you mean my space wolf homebrew is lore inaccurate?

so needless

[arctic talon]

Sallies and RG have a pretty obvious defect

[spare osprey]

Mhm, they stopped using certain things

[arctic talon]

same with BA

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I love inductii tbh

[arctic talon]

Well they retcon’d the geneseed thing with SW

[late osprey]

oh cool

[arctic talon]

Turns out SW geneseed on fenris just gets magically fucked up

[spare osprey]

Such crazy variants

[arctic talon]

So if you have “fresh” geneseed

It works fine

As long as they don’t go onto fenris

Which is what the SW figured out with the primaris successors

[late osprey]

man that mustve been a really shitty family reunion party where they figured that out

[arctic talon]

They had it in orbit of fenris

LOL