40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Not clear how canon each is but

Yeah

It’s actually Portugal

No I won’t expand

[storm jungle]

this isnt mass effect you piece of shi-

[gray umbra]

[plush mason]

cyberstand: bombs a city on super earth
super earth's government: attacks cyberstand but never actually finishes the cyborgs off and leaves them to regain strength

[storm jungle]

Dont forget also brainwashes and enslaves them

then they are like "how could they attack us for this!"

lol

[misty vector]

they took their liberty... a fate worse than death

[outer wave]

Honestly I wonder which of these factions would be the best to live as

[dusk patrol]

None

[outer wave]

If there even is a best

[storm jungle]

Im an absolute Automaton stan tho because metal armies are based so no comment.

[dusk patrol]

They all suck

Everyone sucks now

[storm jungle]

Possibly the Illuminate pre-HD2 since they are just protoss-eldar

[misty vector]

trueeee

[dusk patrol]

It’s a metaphor for your sex life

[storm jungle]

MY MAN

[misty vector]

automaton sweep

[storm jungle]

HEART STEEL. WE KILL.

[outer wave]

I'd say HD1 may have had a point with that, but HD2 the automatons actively kill humans in a ritualistic manner

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah 100% lol

but like again

i dont blame them

super-earth is absolutely terrible

lmfao

[gray umbra]

Sounds unpatriotic

[storm jungle]

also they black/red look cool so they win the argument

[crisp heath]

Reported to unpatriotic division

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-gif-15781998705245088091

[misty vector]

the cyborgs started the war precisely because super earth didnt want to give them freedom

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day there’s tons of innocents being caught in the crossfire and now it’s literally just, everyone so evil, with people suffering for a war started long before they were born

[vagrant fox]

Man I want to play as an automaton hulk though, coolest shit I ever saw

[gray umbra]

Communism*

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again Automatons look cooler

so

Also TANKS

[outer wave]

Imagine Helldivers PVP where you play as Terminids/Automatons/Luminate

This is a bad idea

[dusk patrol]

The lesson here is, peace makes for shitty video games

[plush mason]

you have no idea how right that is lol, @crisp heath bro been to busy chasing tail to hang with his friends :P

[gray umbra]

I like fighting the automatons so i can run commando + jetpack

[crisp heath]

Shut up Gera

[storm jungle]

WHAT DOES GERA EVEN MEAN

[dusk patrol]

I probably dislike bugs the most for fighting

[crisp heath]

LMFAOOOO

[misty vector]

the illuminate and automaton should team up though

[dusk patrol]

Jsut kinda boring imo

[outer wave]

I run alot of smokes for Automatons

[dusk patrol]

But the Illuminate and Bots are fun

[storm jungle]

they are fun but definitely 3rd tier for me

[crisp heath]

That’s my friends name @plush mason

[gray umbra]

Im a turret spammer

[plush mason]

its short for Geralynn the name of a character i had in wow

[vagrant fox]

Bugs are tedious to fight, just a bunch of little idiots running up to you and crippling your limbs

[dusk patrol]

Can’t wait for the Illuminate to get more stuff

[crisp heath]

I stalk my furry lover here sometimes

[storm jungle]

based

[outer wave]

Bugs are fun until a hunter is 10 feet up my ass

[storm jungle]

not even hunters

those fucking dark red commaner bugs

THAT JUST

WONT DIE

[gray umbra]

That tongue flicking me across the battlefield

[storm jungle]

HOLY SHIT

[dusk patrol]

I don’t hate them but yeah they’re much more basic

[misty vector]

i love the bots because you can set up a line to defend and its the coolest feeling

[vagrant fox]

there is no enemy I dislike more than this little bug cuckold

[dusk patrol]

Compared to bots and Illumiante which let you do more interesting things

[crisp heath]

@plush mason I’ve been sick

VC

[gray umbra]

You really just run mass firepower with bugs

[outer wave]

I fuckin' hate that lil shit and I gain great pleasure in murdering them in CQC for daring to touch me

[storm jungle]

I found bots a lot more fun to play once i started using the tesla-gun, the fact that you can stun hulks repeatedly makes them more bearable to play against for me

that + anti-tank turret

[plush mason]

not the full grown version that is every bit as bad and invisable?

[gray umbra]

I like to pop them in their lil face with a single shot

[dusk patrol]

I just kill them with rockets smh

[storm jungle]

they become actually managable

[dusk patrol]

The best crowd control is death

[vagrant fox]

If they were more common I'd hate the stalkers more, but these little shits spawn behind you nonstop

[misty vector]

the hmg emplacement is peak for bots

[dusk patrol]

Illuminate I enjoy but yeah they need more stuff soon here which I assume is gonna be soon

I like how they have less armor

[storm jungle]

Illu are good but atm are way too easy even on Super-Helldive, i think they are fun still but they need more units later on to make them more cancer

[plush mason]

honestly the whole stalker line of bugs from leapers to hunters to finally stalkers are just the most cancer units in the bug roaster

[vagrant fox]

Spear + energy shield is peak, most fun

[storm jungle]

I cant complain much tho because farming materials babyyyyy

[dusk patrol]

Let’s you use different weapons

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-sparta-leonidas-fall-gif-8139307

[outer wave]

I find Illuminate to be okay; the Voteless are fun to fight, but the actual alien infantry are just kinda annoying

[storm jungle]

the Voteless are fun to fight because a ex-Fatshark dev was behind their idea

[outer wave]

The jetpack guys especially

[gray umbra]

Striders are easy to deal with once you figure out you can just take out a leg segment

[storm jungle]

which explains A LOT

[outer wave]

BASED!!!!

NO WONDER

[storm jungle]

YEP

[vagrant fox]

$wagged up

[outer wave]

THIS GAME IS GOOD ONLY WHEN FATSHARK IS INVOLVED

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[outer wave]

LETS GOOOO

Anyway, the walkers are also fun

[gray umbra]

Shoot the jetpack and they go down pretty easily

[plush mason]

they both use the same game engine lol

[outer wave]

I think the jamming effect is neat but thats all they got going

[storm jungle]

for the Elites i recommend to ALWAYS use the solar beam RPG

its EXTREMELY ammo efficient

[gray umbra]

But theyre a pain in the ass the more there is

[storm jungle]

well that or the revolver for a headshot if you can aim

[gray umbra]

I still prefer my kamizake bot jetpack boys

[dusk patrol]

I just use the machine gun tbh

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Shreds everything

[vagrant fox]

I like the anti-mat rifle, just onetap the jetpack 4head

[storm jungle]

it takes them out very quickly

especially if oyu aim at their head

with how big the beam is its almost instant death

ive never not used it against them

[outer wave]

Ive been using machine gun more with the Jaguar body armor since less weapon drag and such

Pretty nice tbh

[dusk patrol]

It’s so good against them

[outer wave]

God I hope this game gets actual melee

[storm jungle]

doubt it

[outer wave]

Weapons I mean

[storm jungle]

oh lol

[dusk patrol]

I think the melee weapons we have are as close as it’s gonna get

[storm jungle]

yeah that

its way too clunky for it

[outer wave]

Not you know, Darktide level melee mechanics

[plush mason]

i run the senator sidearm always

[outer wave]

I wanna make the most out of that melee damage buff though from my armor

[dusk patrol]

Tbh you can

It’s kinda a meme but

You can definitely do well with the melee rn

[outer wave]

Constitution?

[dusk patrol]

Bleh

[outer wave]

Is it Constitution? Because I have done that

[dusk patrol]

Fuck that gun

[outer wave]

I have done melee charges with that thing

Its silly and dumb but its fun

[vagrant fox]

Stun baton is fun for melee, you just beat them all like a yankee cop

[dusk patrol]

But yes you can do meme builds

[plush mason]

both because it can pen heavy army and it obligates me to make at least one senator armstrong joke per mission

[outer wave]

It doesnt do any sort of damage though, does it?

[dusk patrol]

It does

[outer wave]

HRMMMMM

[dusk patrol]

Same as the spear

[vagrant fox]

It does and they're stunned

[outer wave]

Okay okay

[dusk patrol]

You have to use the F key or whatever to get the damage bonus

[outer wave]

Damn maybe I should've picked it up

[dusk patrol]

From the armor

[outer wave]

Gotcha

[dusk patrol]

Might have been fixed but

That was a bug with it

[vagrant fox]

I've taken out swarms of chargers with the stun spear, it's cool as hell

[plush mason]

the baton is better when you are swarmed and the spear can keep a few at a distance

[gray umbra]

Im waiting for a mod to covert thr baton into a sandal

[plush mason]

lmao

[gray umbra]

Would be peak

[plush mason]

or a rolled up newspaper

[gray umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/preach-girl-crocs-gif-10493680

[outer wave]

Chancla....

[arctic talon]

The Illuminate only had a single heavy armor unit in 1 and I hope it stays that way tbh

the Obelisk™️

Anyways Bugs are literally the most boring fucking faction in the game

[outer wave]

They're an easy faction to jump into I think but yeah

I just wish their Hunters didnt combo you while mid dive

[arctic talon]

Hunters are the only threatening part

of the entire faction which is sort of a shame

also bile titans ig

[outer wave]

Im not that great at the game but I do find chargers to be decently threatening as well as Brood Commanders

[arctic talon]

Brood commanders are scary because of the shit they summon on top of themselves

but yeah thats true

Chargers can mess with whatever you're planning

[outer wave]

I do wish the bile nurses that do artillery shots on you were more threatening

Or could shoot down Eagles if you're reckless with throwing out strats around

[arctic talon]

tbh they could just

speed up the smaller bugs again lol

The speed nerf really did a lot in making them less spooky

[gray umbra]

They're only hard when u run with freshies with 0 anti armor

[arctic talon]

bugs?

yeah

[gray umbra]

Yeah

[outer wave]

Yeaaaah

I find the smaller bugs threatening only because leaving them alone will likely mean another bug breach will happen soon

[arctic talon]

The fact the small ones are so slow now is like

not great

anyways

[gray umbra]

I still think its hilarious when it manages to catch you and you just

Evaporate

[dusk patrol]

Yeah same

[arctic talon]

I do feel like the "intent" of the devs is for

bugs-> bots -> illuminate

for easiest to hardest

but rn illuminate is at the bottom because they're missing most of their roster

[outer wave]

Mhmmm

[arctic talon]

anyways they should add Hulks shooting flares

[dusk patrol]

Narp

[outer wave]

It fires 3 flares per second

[dusk patrol]

Illuminate rn are fairly easy too cause it’s so easy to stop them from calling in forces

There’s only one way they can and it’s easy to deal with

Ignoring spawn events

[arctic talon]

tbh bring back the shielded snitch from HD1

and the invisible snitch

Also the fact the urban layouts are like

extremely overpowered in Helldiver favor

lots of supplies + anti air batteries

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Tbh though I don’t hate them being like

Baseline harder to deal with but also easier to stop reinforcements

I’m sure they’ll mix it up more though

[arctic talon]

fair

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I'm halfway convinced Dr. Doom wants to hatefuck Richard Reeds

[gray umbra]

im all for it

[viral halo]

[gray umbra]

😉

[rose thorn]

God I love Dr Doom

He might be why I play marvel rivals

PEAK character

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-doom-foot-dive-marvel-vs-capcom-3-mvc3-gif-9365417687786898125

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-doctor-doom-sitting-on-throne-throne-sitting-down-gif-18760299

[opaque coyote]

Y'know the funniest thing is that

Technically the Thing actually caused his face to be damaged in the main 616 universe

[dusk patrol]

Thing got his powers cause Reeds research

Reed is his friend

[opaque coyote]

So Doom literally hates Richard for something he technically didn't even do

[dusk patrol]

Ergo, RICHARDS

[opaque coyote]

Oh true

I shouldn't have doubted the absolute logic of Dr. Doom

[dusk patrol]

Anyways he’s shown he’s willing to share the hate with the rest of the 4

Except Sue

[spare osprey]

I’m curious if he’ll end up a playable character tbh

[dusk patrol]

He shares something else with her

[opaque coyote]

May I rot in Latveria's wonderful prisons

[dusk patrol]

1000% will

[rose thorn]

Leaked, he is

[dusk patrol]

No chance he doesn’t

[spare osprey]

I’m saw something about it

[rose thorn]

His design is FIRE

[opaque coyote]

Maybe I should try Marvel Rivals tbh

[spare osprey]

It was Doom 2099 tho

[opaque coyote]

[spare osprey]

It’s a GREAT game

[dusk patrol]

Doom is Doom

[spare osprey]

I play it with 4 of my friends

Blast

[rose thorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel-rivals/images/0/07/Dr_doom_rivalsart.png/revision/latest?cb=20250105064115

[spare osprey]

Also drags me into incredibly mind numbing rage

[gray umbra]

oh wait is he out now?

[rose thorn]

How do you describe Dr dooms political

[rose thorn]

No

[opaque coyote]

Holy shit that design goes hard

[gray umbra]

😦

[opaque coyote]

I love it.

[rose thorn]

It will be after the thing and

I wanna say captain combustible

[opaque coyote]

Makes the magic part more apparent too.

[rose thorn]

HUMAN TORCH

I wonder if they will use the gay one or straight one

[gray umbra]

flaming torch

[opaque coyote]

Like Doom's design has always been more about the Science instead of magic

[spare osprey]

Nationalist?

[opaque coyote]

So it's nice to see a Doom design lean more towards the magical side of things

Y'know?

[spare osprey]

Yeah think that’s the whole conflict

[rose thorn]

I guess? A lawful good nationalist?

[spare osprey]

Doom who’s using magic and doom who’s using science

[rose thorn]

It’s so awesome, it’s like every badass admiral outfit and super medical space tech Magic

[rose thorn]

Dr doom uses both

It’s his whole thing

He’s a witch that uses science

[spare osprey]

It’s just how they’re going about controlling the time stream

[opaque coyote]

Doom's main backstory is him literally making a machine to go into Hell

[spare osprey]

2099 vs the “normal” version

[rose thorn]

OHhhh

[opaque coyote]

Interesting

[spare osprey]

And both of them are using different villains to cause havoc

I think normal doom helped out Dracula

To cause eternal night

And now black panther is a vampire

It’s a CRAZY story

[arctic talon]

They're not using either of the shown off dooms I'd assume

I think they're going to bring in a third doom

who thinks he's THE BEST DOOM

[gray umbra]

are they going to add blade

[arctic talon]

Maybe

[dusk patrol]

It’s entirely possible

[spare osprey]

Ye

[arctic talon]

We know there’s some bait leaked characters

[spare osprey]

His model was leaked

[arctic talon]

But the rest of the fantastic 4 are confirmed

[arctic talon]

There it is

Nvm then

[spare osprey]

And he’s shown up in this recent Dracula story

[gray umbra]

noice

as much as i love my captain america i need my obligatory edgelord dps

[arctic talon]

Morbius gets name dropped

By Spider-Man

[gray umbra]

oh sweet liberty

[storm jungle]

Almost perfect

https://tenor.com/view/blade-movie-wesley-snipes-noir-gif-18246661192476093759

but no cigar

[arctic talon]

Watch them turn the human torch into a support/j

[storm jungle]

the human torch's only purpose is to be Doom's fireplace

[languid meadow]

Still wish reed was a tank

[opaque coyote]

He's a Monarch. He literally calls himself a king. So he'd be in the Authoritarian side of the political compass.

I think he's more Left considering that there's literally no hunger, free high quality healthcare, etc.

[arctic talon]

Reed is like

[opaque coyote]

Why didn't it reply

[arctic talon]

The tankiest fucking duelist

In existence

[opaque coyote]

Replying to this

[arctic talon]

Doom is authoritarian left leaning

[rose thorn]

American left right?

Not like

Spain left

[arctic talon]

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

please kill me

[arctic talon]

Stay safe

[languid meadow]

How cold is it for you?

[crystal forum]

not cold just snow

[gray umbra]

oof

you got awd?

[crystal forum]

-5 or some shit

no

[rose thorn]

He’s a liberal authoritarian IG

[gray umbra]

best of luck gamer

[humble shoal]

you seen him in "what we do in the shadows"

[crystal forum]

i hate snow

[gray umbra]

avoid hills n shit

[languid meadow]

well drive safe

[spare osprey]

He’s dps I think

Ultron is a support tho

[crystal forum]

warmest alberta summer

[rose thorn]

He loves nature, he loves diversity, he does oppose the death sentence

[languid meadow]

The plains and wind baby

[humble shoal]

doom is straight middle authoritarian

[languid meadow]

his design is peak as well

[rose thorn]

He instead puts people in his medieval super prison

[languid meadow]

they did ultron so well so far

[humble shoal]

he's a traditionalist, yet forward thinking

[opaque coyote]

It's also fairly isolated as well with little trade in the outside world. So most of the products, food, etc. Are made by Latveria... and Doom (especially for technology).

[languid meadow]

Marvel rivals Ultron design

[opaque coyote]

Looks pretty cool

[humble shoal]

why does he got speakers

[rose thorn]

People are unbelievably horny for Ultron

[crystal forum]

ultron was so lame in the movie

[rose thorn]

I’ve only seen him in the movies

[rose thorn]

Yeah I heard

And people still circle jerked his movie appearance

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[rose thorn]

Which was dragged down by fake millennial humor

[arctic talon]

He looks cool

[humble shoal]

ultron was lame in media in general

[arctic talon]

And his voice acting is good

[spare osprey]

I just hope

His voice is good too

[humble shoal]

amazo is better

[rose thorn]

What’s ultron’s whole thing besides robot supremacy

[spare osprey]

much as I love James spader Ultron

[viral halo]

We will be soon

[dapper gyro]

Utron was the only good part in that Avenger movie.

[opaque coyote]

If you commit crimes murder you get sent to hell.

And I don't mean that figuratively. I mean they literally get sent to hell

[languid meadow]

People want Rams VA to do him but idk

[arctic talon]

He hates his creator Hank Pym

[rose thorn]

True

[crystal forum]

he said sike dude

[arctic talon]

Ultron was an ego project

[spare osprey]

I need earths mightiest heroes Ultron back

[dapper gyro]

Otherwise, Avenger 2 movie is bad imo.

[crystal forum]

i like the part where quicksilver dies

[humble shoal]

so he hates ant man?

[crystal forum]

somehow 20mm shells dont go through him

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-kills-animated-cartoon-wins-gif-12943483198376642642

[viral halo]

The only good part of the MCU were captain america winter soldier and the daredevil series tbh

[arctic talon]

No, since Hank isn’t antman rn in the comics iirc

[spare osprey]

Such a cool fucking Ultron

[languid meadow]

I hope we do get Hank but idk how they would do it

[arctic talon]

Also Ultron sometimes is good

The current Ultron iirc is a good guy

[humble shoal]

isn't that the one for where kids of avengers avcenge their parents

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[rose thorn]

Who’s Hank pumpkin?

PYM

[spare osprey]

Ant man

First ant man

[rose thorn]

OH

[humble shoal]

Amazo>Ultron

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-future-trunks-gif-25537919

[spare osprey]

Before the MCU Ultron was made by ant man and iron man

[rose thorn]

I thoguht uhhh, iron man made him

Ah

[arctic talon]

That’s only mcu

[spare osprey]

Not iron man and hulk

[arctic talon]

Ultrons other gimmick is that he always comes back

[spare osprey]

It’s why Ultron head is like any man’s helmet

[humble shoal]

I have some bootlegged version of it somewhere

[arctic talon]

He doesn’t fucking die

[rose thorn]

I need to erase all MCU media from my mind

[crystal forum]

the problem with ultron is that for a robot he wasn't very smart

[arctic talon]

It makes sense in the comics

[gray umbra]

ultrons got a fat radiator

[humble shoal]

I haven't really watched an mcu movie since the second thor movie

[arctic talon]

He’s a literal ego project

Lol

[humble shoal]

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-lillard-william-afton-fnaf-movie-i-always-come-back-gif-2669162706584753982

[arctic talon]

Of course he isn’t a genius

[languid meadow]

I think thats the point, like he hates humanity but he is incredibly human

[arctic talon]

^

He’s made by an ego centric dickbag to one up Tony stark

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[gray umbra]

purple man in marvel rivals??

[arctic talon]

Which is saying a lot

Because Tony is already a massive piece of shit

[spare osprey]

This is a joke

But that’s an actual character

[arctic talon]

With a huge ego

[gray umbra]

imagine if disney acquired fnaf and they put freddy fazbear into marvel rivals

i watched the movie, its a big meme

[spare osprey]

BEHOLD

[arctic talon]

But marvel rivals seems to take from the comics almost entirely

[spare osprey]

PURPLE MAN

[gray umbra]

sweet liberty

[arctic talon]

And nothing from the mcu lol

[crystal forum]

screw that imagine if they put golden freddy in the next avengers

[languid meadow]

My fav Iron man ngl

bro is just evil

[crystal forum]

speaking of which, at this point the next avengers will all be geriatric

[dapper gyro]

Tony Stark in most comics is really a big asshole.

[languid meadow]

Gives daredevil his sight back just to take it away

[spare osprey]

And a really big drunk

[arctic talon]

Even in his own runs he’s a big asshole

[gray umbra]

tony stark was an asshole in the movies tbh

[dapper gyro]

Even the nicer versions are still assholes.

[arctic talon]

His assholeishness os way too toned down

[rose thorn]

was that the one who took crack and became god

[gray umbra]

oh for sure

[arctic talon]

Tony stark in the movies is nicer then the nicest comic stark lol

[crystal forum]

robert downey jr just exudes so much cock energy that we're blinded from the assholeiness

[gray umbra]

i think i just hate billionaires

i love robert downey jr tho

[arctic talon]

Nah, he made iron man his own character

Which is fine

I like MCU iron man

[rocky gale]

Was just trying the Doom Match mode in Rivals, why is it filled with the sweatiest nerds

[humble shoal]

yeah downey iron man was way more likeable than comics

[dapper gyro]

I think the Anime Marvel series has the nicest Tony, still asshole.

[gray umbra]

competitive game lol

[spare osprey]

Just go Wanda

Cook everything

[humble shoal]

hell the avengers animated series stark was nicer than comics stark

[gray umbra]

i need to play rivals more but ive been sidequested by a million games

[languid meadow]

god looking at hanks ant man suit made me frown I forgot how it looked for a bit

[arctic talon]

Also Tony is like

[gray umbra]

i have friends stuck in plat, i guess that's rivals's version of silver in league

[rocky gale]

Becoming a sweaty nerd does not address the sweaty nerd problem

[arctic talon]

Kind of a sexist jerk in the comics lol

[opaque coyote]

And even in the movies he literally was fine with selling weapons to terrorists.

Until it hit him in the face.

I like the MCU Iron Man because his development actually stayed and he genuinely changed as a person lmao

[spare osprey]

I’ll genuinely stand by that earths mightiest heroes is the best marvel ever

Love it

Avengers twilight is also a really good comic run

[rocky gale]

People playing an arcade gamemode like their mortgage depends on it

[crystal forum]

just play darktide smh

[dusk patrol]

Stan Lee literally set out to make Tony a complete asshole

[dapper gyro]

Yes, that's the point of Tony character.

[gray umbra]

league has the same problem lol. people metaing the shit out of "arcade game mods" in a week

[dusk patrol]

And as unlikable as he could and still make people like him

[dapper gyro]

Making a likeable asshole.

[arctic talon]

Yeah but he doesn’t stop selling weapons in some of the comics lol

[humble shoal]

marvel ultimate alliance

[gray umbra]

i think the concept of a meta ruined gaming

[dusk patrol]

He’s a alcoholic sexist womanizing billionaire arms dealer

[gray umbra]

burn the internet

[spare osprey]

It’s still crazy to think how low in marvel the avengers were before the MCU

[arctic talon]

I mean

Some of them were notable

[dusk patrol]

A nepobaby even

[arctic talon]

But yeah most of them were B listers aside from Hulk

[spare osprey]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

I would say Cap was about as big

[arctic talon]

Captain America is also yeah

[dusk patrol]

He’s much bigger now

[arctic talon]

Big

[spare osprey]

Really good game

[humble shoal]

indeed

[spare osprey]

2nd not so much

Couldn’t get into it

[humble shoal]

didn't play the second

[arctic talon]

Also thor was decently popular

Ig

[spare osprey]

But the best marvel game

Ever

[dapper gyro]

Thor was almost always popular.

[arctic talon]

Ultimate Marvel vs capcom 3

[spare osprey]

Not debatable

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-doom-foot-dive-marvel-vs-capcom-3-mvc3-gif-9365417687786898125

[dusk patrol]

Especially amongst late and early 900s Scandinavians

[dapper gyro]

Black Widow is a B tier, but show up in so many comics.

[gray umbra]

booba

[spare osprey]

Also speaking of those

One of the more than likely true ones

[dusk patrol]

Punisher has also always been pretty big but he had a lot of movies prior to the MCU and was a hard fit

[spare osprey]

Is so funny

Fucking Hit Monkey

[dapper gyro]

Older Black Widow designs are way more modest than other at the time.

[arctic talon]

Why didn’t Tony just do the iron man infinite combo on Thanos

Smh

[spare osprey]

I will absolutely rock hit monkey if he’s put in game

[dapper gyro]

80s and 90s X-men is where all of the horny was

[dusk patrol]

Me, checking why Tony doesn’t just give his easily made suits of armor to all the normal avengers.

[spare osprey]

Only does it after they die

Smh

[rose thorn]

OMFG I FORGOT BAOUT THAT

ITS

SO FUCKING GOOD

THE HULU SHOW

AAAAAA

[dusk patrol]

Somehow Rhodey was the only one who got fucked up

[spare osprey]

Crazy

[rose thorn]

Hitmonkey is one of the best Marvel shows ever mdae

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-monkey-marvel-suit-cool-sunglasses-gif-25124418

[rose thorn]

its stupid how well they did it and how emotionally mature it is

[rose thorn]

you dont expect this show to be fucking good

[arctic talon]

Because uhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rose thorn]

now i want hitmoneky and uhhhh

[dapper gyro]

Because they don't need to play safe with "disposable" characters.

[rose thorn]

if orgot his name

[spare osprey]

I want Hit monkey and cyclops tbh. That’s my wish list

[rose thorn]

THERES A SEASONS 2?!?!?

shit

[spare osprey]

Oh shoot

Also Anihilus

My goat

[rose thorn]

Hit Monkey (and probably Yuki) would be so fun

[dusk patrol]

He could give black widow a boob window and assless armor if he really needs to

[spare osprey]

Feel the breeze

[rose thorn]

i want scorpion

i competley forgot his beef with spiderman tbh

[dapper gyro]

Dr Oc is a classic pick.

[arctic talon]

Wonder if we’ll get another unconventional tank

Like strange

And magneto ig

Though marvel rivals magneto is fucking built

[rose thorn]

apparenlty marvel's classic horror media (ie dracula) is really good

i am very excited for dracula

[dapper gyro]

Aside from the 2000s X-men, Magneto has always been a super fit guy.

[rose thorn]

i love hwo rivals does boomers

[arctic talon]

Well he’s beyond fit

For rivals

He’s like a weightlifter

[storm jungle]

my favorite DILF

[arctic talon]

He has huge bulging muscles

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/putting-on-my-helmet-magneto-x-men-'97-helmet-on-matthew-waterson-gif-11449259999838745357

GYATT

[humble shoal]

where's my fucking money nerd

[arctic talon]

He also never uses his giant muscular hands for anything

He just does his magnet stuff

[storm jungle]

To be fair

im 99% sure most of us would do the same

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/x-men-watch-yo-tone-gif-25887388

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-cars-fuck-drivers-driver-magneto-x-men-gif-23176778

[arctic talon]

But still he’s got huge muscles and never uses them lol

[spare osprey]

I could honestly see War Machine as a tank

[rose thorn]

WAIT HE CAN LIFT ADAMANDITE?

amamadite?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[spare osprey]

any metal

[rose thorn]

i forgot how its spelled

[storm jungle]

he has done it since the first movie

[dapper gyro]

I want the Midnight Sons or the Legion of Monster team.

[storm jungle]

he can literally take the iron in your blood

[rose thorn]

I COMPLETLEY FORGOT

[storm jungle]

and form small nails from it

[languid meadow]

no bones

[spare osprey]

It’s why iron man gets fucked always lol

[rose thorn]

WHY DID THEY SEND WOLVERINE AFTER HIM LMAO

[arctic talon]

It depends on the continuity

[storm jungle]

yeah Magneto is like

[arctic talon]

What he can control

[storm jungle]

extremely OP

[spare osprey]

All he needs is some copper wires

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

But sometimes he controls the concept of magnetism

[queen laurel]

He can actually just manipulate magnetic fields

Not just materials

[arctic talon]

Not just like

Normal materials

[rose thorn]

professor x is like 'fuck boy go kill your hard counter'

[storm jungle]

its hilarious

[arctic talon]

Professor x is saving his holocaust beam for next round

It’s his ult

[spare osprey]

And then he pulls some shit like this

[rose thorn]

HAAHAHAHAH

[spare osprey]

I fucking love magneto

[rose thorn]

I FORGOT

AAHAHAH

[dapper gyro]

And you are my favorite MILF!

[rose thorn]

i need to get the video

[arctic talon]

Magneto rivals is super fucking buff

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMv21Q5IQPQ

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBWYWWUvxF0

[spare osprey]

And served in the clone wars

[queen laurel]

Perks of being a tank

[rose thorn]

this is what professor x's holocast beam reminds me of

[storm jungle]

"No needle shall ever touch my skin again."

chad

[humble shoal]

indeed

love magneto

[storm jungle]

same, hes based af

Charles is a fucking loser

X-Mansion blows up for the 103904th time

[spare osprey]

I’m loving X-men 97 magneto too

“Don’t make me let you down”

God he’s so cool

[storm jungle]

always was and always will be

https://youtu.be/wOR9klDNFGM

Also another one

[queen laurel]

The FEAR MAGNETO voiceline is peak

[viral halo]

Magneto rocks

[rose thorn]

i forgot was magneto trying to kill all non mutants, give mutants rights, or make everyone into a mutant

[dusk patrol]

No he metals

[storm jungle]

Magneto is metal

[arctic talon]

Depends

[storm jungle]

depends on the continuity

[arctic talon]

Usually it’s one or three

Rn it’s two

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of different versions lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes usually very justified about it lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Some more unhinged than others

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

The genocidal magnetos aren’t justifiable because genocide

The other ones he’s just the extreme end

Of mutant rights

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's usually on the mutants are living creatures that deserves respect

[dapper gyro]

The dream of Magneto is MHA.

[dusk patrol]

The real rarity is Iceman at his fully realized power.

[rose thorn]

it was Magneto, Dr Doom, and one other person that people put under 'villian who is usually in the right'

[dusk patrol]

Well

[rose thorn]

valid

[storm jungle]

Doom is not right

[dusk patrol]

Idk about that

[storm jungle]

hes more just badass

Magneto is pretty justifiable most of the time tho

[spare osprey]

Think rivals magneto has gone full peacekeeper, with Krakoa and all

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's a raging egomaniac

[dusk patrol]

I think he’s understandable

Idk about justifiable

[dapper gyro]

Killing people I don't think is justifiable.

[rose thorn]

same

[arctic talon]

Rivals magneto isn’t evil

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

He’s basically always willing to sacrifice thousands to millions of innocents or more even

[arctic talon]

He’s just a dick

[dapper gyro]

Especially that not every normal human are against mutants in most continuities.

[rose thorn]

i love doctor doom since hes on the border of 'completely right to the point the fantastic 4 is the villians' but he also is basically bed mates with satan

[spare osprey]

Mfw he kills an entire universe because a version of himself who is happy calls him out

[rose thorn]

wiat no his mom is banging satan

[queen laurel]

His ego is so assured of himself that one time he passes his test from a god, the test was to admit that reed was the best scientist

He laughed

And passed himself

[rose thorn]

HHAHAHAH

[queen laurel]

And the god went

Alright

I wasn't familiar with your game

[storm jungle]

Doom is literally only right because hes a gigachad

otherwise yeah nah LMAO

[rose thorn]

His kingdom is so good just because he demands its perfect

[dusk patrol]

Doom is sometimes right in that he’s found himself to be the only way earth survives, but he also hasn’t seen every possibility

[dapper gyro]

Magneto represent the minority terrorist group against other minority population.

[spare osprey]

The drip is just too good man

[winter vessel]

Isn’t he the godfather to Susan and Richard’s daughter?

[rose thorn]

hes like, realistically petty

[dusk patrol]

He’s seen millions but there’s infinite possibilities

[dapper gyro]

But he used the speech that everyone hate him.

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes Doom is similarly a lot more

[spare osprey]

And his shit with Storm?

[dusk patrol]

Petty and whatever

[spare osprey]

This man’s fucking game

[rose thorn]

HAHAHAHUFUYDF BJN

[languid meadow]

When DOOM became the fucking sorcerer supreme

[arctic talon]

God doom fit looks like shit in this

[dusk patrol]

Wish they made his cape green

[queen laurel]

Well sometimes i understand him

[queen laurel]

In a story one time he was planning to quit but

[winter vessel]

This just exudes “yeah, I am HIM”

[queen laurel]

And even promised to stop attacking the fantastic four

[rose thorn]

my partner was like 'bro dr doom is right hes the hero' until i mentioned one off that he is Romani

[queen laurel]

Until the human torch slept with his wife

He got very reasonably mad

[arctic talon]

💀

[rose thorn]

never mention romani to europeans, biggest mistake of my life

[arctic talon]

Doom will bring peace to the Balkans

[spare osprey]

Tbf wasn’t his wife yet. Sooooooo

[arctic talon]

All will become Latvaria

[dusk patrol]

“No but you don’t get it they’re actually that bad and it’s not racism it’s just true!” -moment incoming

[queen laurel]

Still a valid reasonable crash out

[winter vessel]

I’m glad doom’s got a good relationship with Valeria

[spare osprey]

And it happens so many times too

[rose thorn]

YEAH THATS WHAT HAPEPNED

[dusk patrol]

They fuck

[dapper gyro]

The number of people Storm slept with...

50% of the female in Marvel are swingers.

[dusk patrol]

Starfire and Storm, fighting for biggest slut in comics

[dapper gyro]

In DC, the number is up yto 90%.

[dusk patrol]

Wonder Woman has gone through half the league

[winter vessel]

The last thing Dr.Doom sees in Rivals:

[dusk patrol]

Depending on the comic

[arctic talon]

What’s that one time a writer didn’t know who doom was

[dusk patrol]

Her and Superman is such a cursed pairing I always hate it

[arctic talon]

And made doom racist

💀

[humble shoal]

and the batman pairing from jla

[rose thorn]

I FORGOT ABOUT COMIC STARFIRE

[storm jungle]

As ever FYI Reed Richards is a fucking loser

[dapper gyro]

Correction, half of the JLU.

[storm jungle]

DOOM™️ is eternal

[rose thorn]

wasnt it when they tried ot make him a nazi

[rose thorn]

HE IS

[queen laurel]

Nah eternal reward is not doom

[winter vessel]

Hah

[rose thorn]

Reed is fucking unbearable

as a person

[humble shoal]

mystique is trying to win the getting milk competition with ravens dad

[arctic talon]

No

[dusk patrol]

“It’s just her culture that is super dtf guys and she’s also built like a wet dream.”

[arctic talon]

It got retcon’d into being a malfunctioning doombot

Lol

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/doom-is-permanently-banned-from-the-cookout-v0-eefgsbc11abe1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=5091a37edcb9e67c1f8bfb7011ea8d63f1d0b547

[spare osprey]

[arctic talon]

But yeah doom was racist for a bit in one run

[dusk patrol]

Least revealing and sexualized New 52 Starfire panel

[rose thorn]

AHAHAYAYA\

[dusk patrol]

I’m only half joking

[arctic talon]

Why is the kid there lmao

[spare osprey]

We don’t talk about Kitty pryde and her slur incident

[rose thorn]

The hornier the writer the more orange her skin is

[arctic talon]

It would have worked better if the Mutant saying it was black I’m ngl

[rose thorn]

its a direct 1-1 connection

[arctic talon]

The general idea of the scene is sound

The execution

Uh

[spare osprey]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

💀

[dapper gyro]

Fun fact, Kitty Pride in the 2000s X-men is now a man.

[arctic talon]

She crashes out

[arctic talon]

The actor transitioned?

Or

[spare osprey]

We talkin actor or

Cause yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think that's partially why he's that in the first place

Since Doom kinda had a fucked up life.

[dapper gyro]

The actress/actor

[arctic talon]

Ah

[winter vessel]

Which is kinda sad for me because, as a kid, I thought she was pretty in the X Men movie

[spare osprey]

Ik him mainly from umbrella academy tbh

[storm jungle]

Gotta keep your cuck of a husband happy somehow, even if it means lying 😔

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/umbrella-academy-meme-five-hargreeves-vanya-hargreeves-gif-18282264

[dapper gyro]

Same, I was surprised about that when I found out a few years ago.

[winter vessel]

Everyone has like, a few celebrity crushes growing up, she/(he now) was the only instance I had. From then on I felt nothing

[opaque coyote]

I don't know shit about Starfire besides her in the 2005 cartoon I'm gonna be honest here

[dusk patrol]

She fucks

[arctic talon]

The infamous panel

[dusk patrol]

https://youtu.be/2vMv5CCF_uU?si=g1X-z9iP8k3LJNEo

[rose thorn]

if they add any more bug themed characters ill play rivals

[arctic talon]

Before you ask the writer for this run was black

So

[dusk patrol]

Generally it’s played more like

[rose thorn]

Okay thas not blade lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

She’s in love with Robin and over shares

[rose thorn]

my alarms went off for a second

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s just some random dude who calls her a mutie

And she you know

[dusk patrol]

But sometimes it’s just

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I swear she's doing it just to mess with him at this point

[arctic talon]

Hits the slur button in response

[winter vessel]

It’s kinda weird when I can’t see her her irises and it just looks like two green peas lodged in her eye holes

[opaque coyote]

Fight fire with fire ig

[dusk patrol]

It’s a mix, but she is pretty unaware a lot of times

[spare osprey]

ANNIHILUS RAHHHHHHHHHH

[queen laurel]

Calling a mutant the m word and getting hit with the N-word is certainly something

[rose thorn]

IM SORRY I NEVER HEARD OF HIMM

also WHAT IS THE CONTEXT

[opaque coyote]

Also kinda consistent with Starfire in general.

Tbh I actually like the 80's design.

Specifically the hair

Idk why I like the hair but I do

[spare osprey]

he's this bug dude from the negative zone/dimension

best villain ever

[rose thorn]

lmao

[spare osprey]

he was sharing an apartment with spider man and the human torch

[rose thorn]

oh yeah bets on hydra ever being in Marvel Rivals

id die laughing if we get red skull

[arctic talon]

We have a Hydra Map

[spare osprey]

yeah

[rose thorn]

OH SHIT REALLY?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[winter vessel]

Yes

[arctic talon]

It’s got hail hydra posters

[spare osprey]

mhm

and that one dude

[arctic talon]

The devs are Chinese so the whole Nazi association isn’t as big of a deal

[spare osprey]

with a tv in his stomach

[arctic talon]

Yeah Zola

[spare osprey]

that's the guy

[queen laurel]

Yeah they do not hold back

[spare osprey]

i wanna see zemo

[arctic talon]

Though are Hydra Nazis in the comics?

[winter vessel]

The baron

[arctic talon]

They’re like

[opaque coyote]

Oh boy hope there's nobody using a certain Buddhism sign incorrectly while playing as a Hydra character

[arctic talon]

Their own weird cult thing

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

They formed out of the Nazis

Iirc right

[rose thorn]

thank fuck they have premade sprays

[spare osprey]

hydra are just a sect yeah

[queen laurel]

What do they worship

[arctic talon]

In any case yeah they could def just put red skull in

[arctic talon]

A giant eldritch entity

[spare osprey]

Red skull tried to overthrow hitler, then the alien stuff came in

[rose thorn]

unironically hydra are based off like a real life nazi group

[arctic talon]

It’s what you’re trying to stop in the Hydra map

From breaking out

[winter vessel]

Just by association, they were like the Nazi R&D division during WW2 before it became a three way war

[queen laurel]

Yeah that

[arctic talon]

I don’t know it’s name

Anyways Bucky’s arm also has like

Tentacles

[rose thorn]

also Hydra are basically one for one what the Shockers are in Kamen Rider

[spare osprey]

Hive i think?

[rose thorn]

god i love kamen rider

[terse kestrel]

Are truskans just canadians

[spare osprey]

they did a story with him in that one shield show

freak

[opaque coyote]

I think in the comics they also existed before the Nazis. Back to the 3rd dynasty of Egypt.

The Nazi branch were just another "head" of the Hydra.

Cut one head, two more come up

[rose thorn]

A god the Shockers (japanese nazi group) have been fucking around with created nazi alien Hitler starfish

[arctic talon]

An actual Hydra character would go crazy lol

Red skull would go crazier

Since he’s you know

An actual Nazi

[spare osprey]

i would love modok

[rose thorn]

I kinda would want Red Skull to be support lol

it would be so funny

[arctic talon]

Red skull, Bucky, magneto team up

[queen laurel]

He would be To be fair

[arctic talon]

💀

[spare osprey]

his main ability is the Concentration beam

[queen laurel]

Call it tyrant lords

[winter vessel]

I always think it’s funny when he peels off his “face” in First Avenger, he’s screaming on the inside.

[rose thorn]

"THE NAZI ISNT FUCKING HEALING ME RAAAAAAAAA"

[opaque coyote]

Honestly yeah.

I would like an actual WW2 styled character but I'm also afraid of the wrong type of people Uhhh

Playing it.

I honestly think going more with the snake/reptile theme would also be cool

[arctic talon]

Tbh

They’re gona do the tentacle themeing

For Hydra

We’ve seen Bucky’s arm which is a modified Hydra thing

[opaque coyote]

Actually wait I have a cool idea now.

Red Skull but he's a Dinosaur man.

Imagine him with like a fucking red dinosaur skull

That sounds cool as shit

[arctic talon]

Thing explodes into a bunch of tentacles

And has like a squid beak grappling hook

[rose thorn]

i just want redskull to have his stupid fucking nazi pistol

[spare osprey]

if they put in red skull i would honestly be all for the idea of rival abilities, like you get certain things if the enemy team has a character

[winter vessel]

Luger

[opaque coyote]

...

Pirate Nazi Red Skull

[spare osprey]

cause magneto and red skull is the easiest one

[opaque coyote]

Pirate Nazis

[rose thorn]

this whack ass shit

[arctic talon]

In any case

I think adding more villainous characters would be neat

[rose thorn]

its liek a luger mixed with a potato gun

[arctic talon]

None of the roster are straight up super evil people rn

[opaque coyote]

It's based off of a comic universe. I want Red Skull to be a Pirate Nazi Hydra man

[arctic talon]

Like

[winter vessel]

What, add jigsaw?

[arctic talon]

This isn’t even a version of magneto who’s evil

[dusky scroll]

How long does a space marine suit last before needing.. maintenance?

[arctic talon]

I guess Hela is evil

[dusk patrol]

Varies

A long time though

[arctic talon]

Depends on how much damage

[rose thorn]

Shes a god so shes just a bithc

[dusky scroll]

I don't mean like repair or just chucking out old stinky poo.

[dusk patrol]

They can last for thousands of years with minimal repairs if they’re not severely damaged

[winter vessel]

High Evolutionary maybe? That guy’s a prick in every universe he’s in

[dusk patrol]

Their cores last a goofy long time

[dusky scroll]

Like, Food and water and Power (Battery swap).

[arctic talon]

He has ultimately good intentions aside from the MCU one

[opaque coyote]

I think the worst might be the Punisher? Since he literally just kills criminals without abiding by the justice system.

But I wouldn't call him pure evil.

[rose thorn]

let me ask my friend what hela even did in the movies

[arctic talon]

Which is just evil

[dusk patrol]

Years at least

[arctic talon]

Punisher isn’t pure evil

[rose thorn]

He unironically watched all the thor movies

[arctic talon]

She just takes over Asgard

[dusk patrol]

If you do sus membrane

[arctic talon]

And kills a bunch of people

[rose thorn]

ah

[dusk patrol]

Much longer

[winter vessel]

Anti-hero

[arctic talon]

And plans on taking over the universe

[storm jungle]

Frank also literally kills like the worst of the worst when it comes to criminals

not people stealing purses and shit

[rose thorn]

my brain keeps crossing the marvel and dc wires

[dusky scroll]

They pack 1 year worth of food?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah just

"The Worst".

Either that or Doom due to his multiple attempts at taking over the world

[arctic talon]

Doom isn’t playable

[spare osprey]

STILTMAN

[winter vessel]

He pretends to be a little girl online to catch predators, shit is hilarious

[opaque coyote]

Yet

[dusk patrol]

They got pellets

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t count

[storm jungle]

Lmao i remember that one

[dusk patrol]

And shit

[arctic talon]

If Ultron is genocidal

Then he’s the first real villainous character

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's why I said the worst.

And even then he isn't that bad compared to like.

Norman Osborn

[rose thorn]

GREEN GOBLIN

WE NEEEEED HIM

[dusky scroll]

Pellet shape goes in, pellet shape comes out... I guess

[storm jungle]

to be fair

Ultron spent like

5s on the internet

and decided we need to be wiped out

i legit do not blame him

[arctic talon]

Which version of Ultron

Is my question tbh

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[winter vessel]

Still gives the most real pep talk to Magiure Spider-Man when it comes to “the masses”

[arctic talon]

If it’s the good version of Ultron

That would lowkey be lame

[opaque coyote]

Man looked at Twitter

[arctic talon]

If they cook up their own version

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

I’d be fine with it

If it’s the mcu Ultron

I’m killing myself

[winter vessel]

He saw brain rot and said “nope, imma wipe the slate clean”

[rose thorn]

They could add kraven the hunter

he had a dogshit movie tho

[queen laurel]

I mean what heroes in rivals come from pre established universes

[winter vessel]

I want the “heroes of tomorrow” Ultron if they add him

[queen laurel]

Psylocke is from demon days

[arctic talon]

It’s just Psylocke

I think lol

[rose thorn]

wait i want MYSTERIO (Loki 2.0)

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the funniest thing is that

Every Ultron is created by somebody who is an asshole. Along with having his mind be based on them.

Original 616 Ultron was created by Hank Pym. Who isn't the most stable person and I think also had a drug problem.

MCU Ultron was created by Tony Stark. Who isn't the most stable person and DEFINITELY had a drug problem.

[rose thorn]

YESS

he was the only good part of spiderman far from home

[arctic talon]

Hank pym had a drug problem yeah

[queen laurel]

Wow they abandoned demon days for so long that she was allowed to be brought in

[arctic talon]

LOL

I wish she had a skin for her hat

[winter vessel]

Azazel maybe?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah so both Ultrons were created and based off of people who were egotistical and had a drug problem.

And then MCU Ultron looked at the internet and went insane.

And 616 Ultron... Just went insane and also developed an Oedipus Complex

He didn't even have any alternative triggers. Man just suddenly crashed out of nowhere

Also proves how fucked up Hank Pym is

[spare osprey]

and both kinda went

“Earth can only be peaceful if humanity is gone”

[rose thorn]

apparently hela wasnt that evil, she was literally owed the kingdom and her dad thought she was too war hungry so he locked her away

[queen laurel]

Wasn't that evil

And war hungry in the same sentence is crazy work

[winter vessel]

think she could’ve persuaded pre-earth Thor to side with her?

[spare osprey]

What I can’t morally be a war monger???