There's an actual physical gateway to hell
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
green loom
Or multiple gates
arctic talon
thats open
winter vessel
courtesy of corrupt templars during the crusades
green loom
The Iron Sultanate are a bit better off with a literal divine wall being sent down by god
winter vessel
their dudes more
hah
arctic talon
while Heaven is more ???? on how they get stuff down
crystal forum
so what do demons want
arctic talon
They want to take over the world
crystal forum
why
arctic talon
crazy I know
arctic talon
the demiurge
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Lucifer did in fact defy god
and get sent to hell
the angels that went with him all found some horrifying eldritch abomination
winter vessel
here's also concept of what New Antioch looks like, their frontlines that is
crystal forum
here's also concept of what New Antioch looks like, their frontlines that is
are those tanks
arctic talon
winter vessel
are those tanks
notice the manned field artillery, and then look at those tanks
yep, thats New antioch for you
crystal forum
the headlights are bigger than a person
arctic talon
Anyways yeah the Angels who went to hell found something horrifying in hell
that even the other demons stayed away from
and then they started worshiping it
crystal forum
like ancient beings?
crystal forum
not created by god
crystal forum
so god is not omnipotent in this setting
arctic talon
It was hidden behind a bunch of rubble and it looked like the demons were trying to keep it sealed in
God is in fact not omnipotent yeah
winter vessel
so god is not omnipotent in this setting
that's the thing, since TC is fairly new, a lot is yet to be confirmed
arctic talon
either that or God did create this thing
dusk patrol
He’s why humanity has all the advanced tech for how early it is
arctic talon
and uh
shoved it deep deep down
into the depths of hell
and then the demons did it to that as well
dusk patrol
He’s basically whispered all these advanced things to them to help them survive
crystal forum
so humanity went through regular history before the crusades right
crystal forum
so there were greek and roman gods worshipped before the christian one
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as in like new Testmenet god
winter vessel
either that or God did create this thing
from my attendance in church and small groups, there is record of God creating other beings beyond the angels and Humanity
dusk patrol
Also the Jesus clones who are endlessly butchered and regenerate for the 100 years they live.
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Metachrists™️
crystal forum
dumbass question but are there jews in the setting
winter vessel
they kinda sketchy
green loom
dumbass question but are there jews in the setting
Yes
winter vessel
dumbass question but are there jews in the setting
there are Hebrew Knights
arctic talon
dumbass question but are there jews in the setting
Yes
dusk patrol
dumbass question but are there jews in the setting
Yes and they caused all this
Probably
crystal forum
is the abrahamic god the same for both religions
arctic talon
yes
arctic talon
All 3
green loom
They're cloistered away in some secret fortress we don't know about
winter vessel
the Fafo during the crusades at Jerusalem
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"same"
dusk patrol
It’s complicated
arctic talon
yeah
crystal forum
not IRL i mean in the setting
arctic talon
anyways did you know the Silk Road is active still
yeah even in the setting its complicated
crystal forum
ah
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theres in universe debates on it
lol
beyond just the creators deciding to not confirm or deny it
crystal forum
so is china and japan alive
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China is probably alive
crystal forum
is shintoism a thing
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considering the silk road is active
winter vessel
unknown
crystal forum
what about buddhism
crystal forum
would be cool to see hinduism depicted
green loom
And that's about it
arctic talon
Also yeah the medeteranian
green loom
We know the Americas are their own thing
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The Polish have vampires
green loom
And that the heretics tried to invade them
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who worship God
crystal forum
The Polish have vampires
not Transylvania smh
green loom
Vlad is a thing yes
arctic talon
I think they also haave vampires lol
dusk patrol
Vlad has to be a vampire
green loom
There's a bit in the lore primer about him impaling a bunch of heretics
arctic talon
Vampires don't like hell it would seem
winter vessel
what about buddhism
its kinda bad. All of, at least most of humanity, is consolidating their forces in New Antioch. there is much emphasis on the city. IF THAT FALLS, then Humanity is done for. and that city has been sieged eight times, since its first destruction, and has never been breached since then
arctic talon
either that or Vampires like
keep the beliefs they did in life which I could also see
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Also because heaven and hell are kinda busy it’s possible to die multiple times in TC and come back
crystal forum
so coming back to god, he does in fact support the christian faction right
like directly
winter vessel
like directly
yes,
dusk patrol
Depending on how you die and luck and all that
green loom
its kinda bad. All of, at least most of humanity, is consolidating their forces ...
Technically only Antioch was destroyed, I don't think New Antioch is built directly on top of it?
dusk patrol
He’s also not supposed to and it’s complicated because that
crystal forum
so devils already won most of the planet
arctic talon
No
green loom
Not really
arctic talon
Its a stalemate
dusk patrol
Him directly intervening has fucked with stuff too
crystal forum
you're saying it's just nova antioch
arctic talon
its a strongpoint
winter vessel
so devils already won most of the planet
not necessarily. as there is still conflict with human factions, hell is also facing internal struggle
dusk patrol
He’s not supposed to be doing what he’s doing so it messes stuff up and all that
green loom
It's mostly the middle east and northern africa
The Demons are pushed up to like the Balkans or something
winter vessel
the forces of hell are not really united
dusk patrol
just like real life
arctic talon
both the Iron Wall and New Antioch
are like strong points against hell
and if they fall humanity is probably fucked
crystal forum
so hell wants to not only take over earth but also destroy all of god's believers if im getting this right
arctic talon
also yeah the forces of hell are a clusterfuck, they're very much classical Demon/devils
Destroy or convert yes
crystal forum
it's not just about control but about removing god's power
green loom
both the Iron Wall and New Antioch
It's pretty funny when you considers there's like, no land route to Antioch, and the Heretics have basically total naval supremacy
winter vessel
so hell wants to not only take over earth but also destroy all of god's believer...
as its been written in scripture, yes
arctic talon
It's pretty funny when you considers there's like, no land route to Antioch, and...
its a bit odd lol
but don't think about it too hard
green loom
True
crystal forum
It's pretty funny when you considers there's like, no land route to Antioch, and...
they do?
green loom
Ye
crystal forum
do demons have battleships or smth
winter vessel
It's pretty funny when you considers there's like, no land route to Antioch, and...
kinda scary if the heretics control the seas, what could be lurking in the depths terrifies me
green loom
The Heretics are in the lead in like ships and armoured vehicles
crystal forum
and all of this is actually manufactured and not just shit out of a demon portal rigjt
green loom
Because they've got supernatural shit forged straight in hell
dusk patrol
It’s all a weird mix of steampunk, WW1 and even more modern tech and beyond
dusk patrol
Like they have some guns which are much more modern
green loom
The Iron Sultanate have a bit more of a level playing field than New Antioch with the Iron Wall which is weird and magic and lets them do weird shit
Antioch meanwhile is uh
Kinda just doing whatever
winter vessel
and all of this is actually manufactured and not just shit out of a demon portal...
I mean hell does have their own ordnance to manufacture. as evident from Exhibit A: The Artiller Witch
dusk patrol
Antioch has power armor and firepower
crystal forum
so why did god stop at WW1 instead of giving humans laser guns
dusk patrol
He didn’t
It goes beyond WW1
There’s like straight up hand held machine guns and other wild stuff
Power armor
arctic talon
Church Space Program
dusk patrol
Also him intervening is bad
green loom
Yeah there's weird shit like bio engineered super soldiers in the Mechanized Heavy Infantry
Or the Paladins
dusk patrol
Like the fact that he’s directly intervening is almost as bad as hell
crystal forum
do they have planes
winter vessel
Or the Paladins
and even they lost the means to make more
green loom
And Crusader Orders in general
dusk patrol
Because the forces of heaven have rules and fuck with reality
It’s a Pandora’s box kinda scenario
dusk patrol
More like
It’s like him directly intervening disrupts the natural order
And fucks things up
crystal forum
and as stated he isn't omnipotent so he can't just rewrite the rules
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implied
dusk patrol
It’s a dangerous game
crystal forum
so this again leads me to believe there are multiple gods following a set of rules
dusk patrol
Which is why it seems he’s largely helped by telling them how to make stuff
storm jungle
so this again leads me to believe there are multiple gods following a set of rul...
just like real life bro
dusk patrol
Also his direct intervention has caused stuff like the trench pilgrims to exist which are super fucked
crystal forum
mormons will save nova antioch
winter vessel
You see Trench Crusade is actually a Persona reference
Shut
dusk patrol
The artillery shells which “sing” the words God used to make the world but backwards are super fucked up
Words of creation I think
arctic talon
Nyarlathotep and Philemon totally not Satan and God can't intervene in Persona so they do it through a bunch of intermediaries
Including not Hitler
I still don't get how putting sunglasses on Hitler censors him
arctic talon
He's smiling in his original sprite as well lol
crystal forum
so is god actually good in this setting or is he like the emperor
dusk patrol
arctic talon
so is god actually good in this setting or is he like the emperor
God seems good in Trench Crusade
dusk patrol
so is god actually good in this setting or is he like the emperor
Uh, he seems to try but everything is so fucked
arctic talon
^
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reminds of a scene in the office where Pam dressed up as charlie chaplin, but if she took of the hat she'd look too much like adolf
dusk patrol
The Trench Pilgrims are not what he wants but an example of why his intervention is bad
crystal forum
so why doesn't he just let this all play out
winter vessel
The Trench Pilgrims are not what he wants but an example of why his intervention...
i look at these guys and think of the nomes from LN
dusk patrol
Like the church literally tells them “please don’t break yourself on the wheels of the Anchorite Shrines” but they still do it
dusk patrol
so why doesn't he just let this all play out
Because then everyone would have died
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I mean probably
crystal forum
so we dont know
winter vessel
apparently the rules for that its meant to sponge an attack meant for the Anchorite. but then you see em and like they're helping by like two percent with their effort
dusk patrol
apparently the rules for that its meant to sponge an attack meant for the Anchor...
Yeah it’s symbolic
winter vessel
is that what demons want
they want as many souls to be damned to hell
crystal forum
they want as many souls to be damned to hell
why
dusk patrol
They do it because it supposedly protects the shrine during battle
winter vessel
sigh
crystal forum
do they gain power from it
arctic talon
yes
dusk patrol
The dude in the shrine arguably has it worse off
arctic talon
the anchorites are super archaic power armor no?
winter vessel
The dude in the shrine arguably has it worse off
yeah, makes the dreadnought in 40k seem more comforting and thats a stretch
arctic talon
or something similar to it
dusk patrol
the anchorites are super archaic power armor no?
Basically
crystal forum
im just trying to understand the end game for demons here
crystal forum
ok everybody is in hell now what
spare osprey
ok everybody is in hell now what
Eternal fun basically
Same shit like bill from gravity falls wants
languid meadow
ok everybody is in hell now what
Torture for all eternity and something about spiting god since they won
arctic talon
ok everybody is in hell now what
they get to have a good time, maybe try to take down Heaven
crystal forum
im starting to think these demons aren't really nice guys
winter vessel
ok everybody is in hell now what
seen Helluva Boss or hazbin hotel? That but nobody is happy and it sucks 24/7 non stop
crystal forum
just a hunch
winter vessel
apparently they have "hundreds" of these big fellas embedded into the 77 towers that surround New Antioch
languid meadow
AoT type beat
crystal forum
what a waste of a perfectly edible lamb
arctic talon
the trench pilgrams are weirdos
dusk patrol
The wild thing is, the church literally tries to tell them “hey don’t break yourself on the shield”
But they still line up hoping to get picked before a battle
crystal forum
nobody seems to be stopping them
winter vessel
that's amazing that they're comprised of "volunteers"
dusk patrol
nobody seems to be stopping them
Can’t really force them to not and in the moment
They’re also just sorts
Roving bands
Trench Pilgrims aren’t centralized
crystal forum
Can’t really force them to not and in the moment
you're talking about the guy strung up on the wheel?
dusk patrol
They just kinda go around
winter vessel
witch burner is just dripped
dusk patrol
you're talking about the guy strung up on the wheel?
Yeah he’s alive
crystal forum
Yeah he’s alive
nobody's cutting him down
dusk patrol
They go up to the Anchorite and beg to be the one on the shield and the Anchorite breaks him on it
arctic talon
The Trench Pilgrams are like so absurdly unhinged lol
dusk patrol
nobody's cutting him down
Yeah cause he’s the lucky one
arctic talon
its so funny
crystal forum
oh lol
dusk patrol
Anchorites attract trench pilgrims
winter vessel
its so funny
been focusing on New Antioch, will learn more on the TP. any interesting events that makes em nutty?
arctic talon
just like
dusk patrol
And often are commanded by a bishop or whatever
crystal forum
so the setting is not grimdark to the point where trench pilgrims are considered cool
arctic talon
shove themselves into horrific things
dusk patrol
so the setting is not grimdark to the point where trench pilgrims are considered...
I like em but they’re fucked up
winter vessel
they cut their eyes out, fight completely nude
(Sniper priest) and (stigmatic nun)
crystal forum
I like em but they’re fucked up
and people im the setting realize that ye?
arctic talon
so the setting is not grimdark to the point where trench pilgrims are considered...
Trench Pilgrams are like beyond whats considered "fine" in society
though whats considered "fine" in society
is pretty fucked up
crystal forum
not like 40k zealots who are praised and shit
arctic talon
Well some people praise the trench pilgrams
winter vessel
not like 40k zealots who are praised and shit
think of like TC seeing 40k and going "hah, amateurs"
arctic talon
the actual military thinks they're unhinged
rose thorn
Out of my History of Antisemitism class!
winter vessel
and yes, that cross is nailed to the face
dusk patrol
Anchorite and Communicants are actual heavy hitters
crystal forum
oh hey jerk o matic is painting that
dusk patrol
Yeah they’re based around cannon fodder with a few very fucked up elites
winter vessel
Anchorite and Communicants are actual heavy hitters
communicant tank hunter got his little ammo buddy tagging along with him, so wholesome
dusk patrol
Who wreck house
languid meadow
You know I was gonna say that this reminded me of the great and roman statues with crosses carved in their faces, but I found a TC post already talking about it.... darn
crystal forum
communicant tank hunter got his little ammo buddy tagging along with him, so wh...
what's the point of the ammo belt
crystal forum
we havent seen the chads fighting in hell right
winter vessel
what's the point of the ammo belt
same reason as to asking "what's the point of nailing hands to this"
arctic talon
due to the fact its Skirmish scale
crystal forum
hey they got millions they might expand
dusk patrol
winter vessel
A paladin meant for each circle of hell
crystal forum
these are the 2 paladin arts
somehow managed to make pure metal sexy
arctic talon
we have art for the 3rd and 4th circle of hell paladins
crystal forum
are paladins super humans
winter vessel
and here we have our silent hill nurses
arctic talon
they got the best metachrist blood and flesh in them
there used to be 12, now there's only 9 left
crystal forum
so is the deeper circles stronger paladins
dusk patrol
He’s the Black Grail one right?
crystal forum
9 still are running around hell
paladins or metachrists?
dusk patrol
Paladins
arctic talon
Paladins
winter vessel
2 died, 1(is rumored) to have gone traitor
they never recovered the twos bodies did they?
arctic talon
He’s the Black Grail one right?
That is the implication yeah
arctic talon
they never recovered the twos bodies did they?
They were not
dusk patrol
Paladins got the OG blood and are basically superheroes
crystal forum
oh lol there's just a handful of paladins
dusk patrol
Yeah
crystal forum
absolutely demolishing hell
winter vessel
oh lol there's just a handful of paladins
yet again, lost the means to make more
dusk patrol
They’re trying
arctic talon
oh also theyr'e all super hot and the people who attend to them are blinded so they can't have impure thoughts
this is actual lore
crystal forum
this setting even has kaldor draigos wow
arctic talon
do we even know how the 2 died
crystal forum
so what the fuck is a metachrist by the way
winter vessel
this setting even has kaldor draigos wow
yeah, but at least these guys interest me, KD can stuff it
dusk patrol
I don’t think so
winter vessel
so what the fuck is a metachrist by the way
clones of "christ", which is what interests me
arctic talon
They're pretty much harvested for their blood and flesh
dusk patrol
The church is carving them up
crystal forum
and the clone blood gives super powers
dusk patrol
And they’re regenerating
dusk patrol
It’s how Communicants are made
crystal forum
so are these jesus's super strong or something
arctic talon
unclear how strong the individual meta christs actually are
winter vessel
bell boy
dusk patrol
Or this
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beyond just the fact we know their blood and flesh causes mutations
crystal forum
do they get weaker the more he is cloned
winter vessel
do they get weaker the more he is cloned
they're...imperfect
crystal forum
so actual jesus juice would make you super super human
dusk patrol
The original was the best
arctic talon
yeah the original was close to perfect
winter vessel
so actual jesus juice would make you super super human
The one born from the Virgin Mary, yes
crystal forum
so there is a possibility that somebody in the setting ate original jesus flesh
and im not talking about the bread
like one of his apostles
dusk patrol
But that’s how the church is able to hang generally, they can churn out armies of communicants and also have the Anchorites, who are basically indestructible but can’t be made anymore.
And they have sooooo much cannon fodder to protect them
humble shoal
The thing with the metajesuses is that their lore is spotty
At least last time I checked
crystal forum
oh so this setting also has tech regression despite it being medieval dieselpunk
arctic talon
The thing with the metajesuses is that their lore is spotty
yeah
they're pretty light on lore
winter vessel
so there is a possibility that somebody in the setting ate original jesus flesh
its not consistent. again, we don't have valid confirmation since this is still fairly new
which im ok
humble shoal
Certain faithful factions worship certain meta christs
winter vessel
with
humble shoal
oh so this setting also has tech regression despite it being medieval dieselpunk
Not regression, the invasion happened during the og crusades
winter vessel
no
humble shoal
Is it that meta christs are just demons
crystal forum
judas is alive in the setting and he ate jesus flesh so he's a demi god
but everybody hates him
since betrayed christ
dusk patrol
oh so this setting also has tech regression despite it being medieval dieselpunk
More just the Anchorites were made by a specific group iirc or even one dude and that got destroyed
humble shoal
Christ has been dead for a millenia before the demons came btw
humble shoal
So most likely meta christs are not actually related to christ at all
I personally think they are straight demons pretending
The god referenced in universe is just khorne
crystal forum
lame
humble shoal
Who does not care from where the blood flows
winter vessel
yeah and jesus flesh made judas immortal
he killed himself after he sold out Christ to the Pharasees. that's a long gap of history in between
humble shoal
Anyway naked murder nuns ate meata josh flesh
crystal forum
he killed himself after he sold out Christ to the Pharasees. that's a long gap o...
pretending to be dead
winter vessel
josh?
winter vessel
pretending to be dead
how do you pretend hang
crystal forum
i choose judas not because he's the most sensical but because he'd be hated by everyone
crystal forum
how do you pretend hang
jesus flesh
winter vessel
you mean Yeshua?
humble shoal
Yeah josh
crystal forum
yahve
humble shoal
Yeshua->Joshua
languid meadow
how do you pretend hang
winter vessel
been a while since i read hebrew
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/hanging-ridiculous6-ridiculous-dangerous-funny-gif-162280...
fair enough
funny movie
humble shoal
Basically Oily Josh is an accurate way to say Jesus Christ
crystal forum
of nazareth
humble shoal
Of nazareth yes
winter vessel
havent heard much news from that place recently
city in israel
which by extent, jerusalem. which then is most likely occupied by Luci Lou and his merry band of demonic Maniacs via Heretic Armies
anyways, TC may be the first time i create my own homebrew force of minis
languid meadow
Can't wait until we get prussian models (In prob 1-2 years) since they units they have revealed are so cool
languid meadow
the lore of prussia is hilarious to me
crystal forum
why is prussia there
crystal forum
germanic states decided to form prussia early
winter vessel
Can't wait until we get prussian models (In prob 1-2 years) since they units the...
best drip even in a dystopian setting
languid meadow
Tank splitters look great
winter vessel
fancy hats
crystal forum
he has a backup sword
winter vessel
plot twist, the one sheathed in his belt is stronger than the one in his right hand
crystal forum
also wearing the dress coat in battle is certainly a drip statement
languid meadow
crystal forum
so is austria hungary around
winter vessel
"outlandish system" makes me laugh. also, least the Teutonics persevered through their descendants
languid meadow
prob not but it would be cool if we got super solider Caroleans
winter vessel
Swedes
languid meadow
That's if Sweden even became the de-facto super power of Scandinavia in this timeline
crystal forum
i hope finland became the superpower
finnish people will fight bears man dont mess with them
btw what's the name of those slavic nomads who wrecked everybody in the ukraine area of the world
i fucking forgot
languid meadow
Tank splitters look great
This is also a woman Hauptmann Frederica von Goltz, normal Prussian women can't join most of their military but nobles no matter their gender can join whatever they choose
which I find pretty funny for some reason
dusk patrol
i hope finland became the superpower
Look at this dork
languid meadow
"fuck you I'm chosen by god"
dusk patrol
He still believes in Finland
dusk patrol
crystal forum
who wrote the letter to the ottomans
dusk patrol
He doesn’t know
crystal forum
calling them every sort of insult imaginable
COSSACKS
i hope cossacks are in the setting
they're based as hell
btw
You Turkish Satan, brother and comrade of the damned devil and secretary to Lucifer himself! What the hell kind of knight are you? The devil s[hit]s and you and your army swallow [it]. You aren't fit to have the sons of Christians under you; we aren't afraid of your army, and we'll fight you on land and sea.
this was their letter to the ottoman sultan
languid meadow
"Turkish Satan" crazy lmao
I hope we get an official map when they're finished with all the kickstarter orders
plush mason
literally one of their national passtimes lol
"man history sure is boring, lets make it a romance novel so it wont be so boring anymore"
"oh and while we are at it better make sure we whitewash and glorify the Empire's history, cant have people knowing all the horrible shit we did and had happen to us"
late osprey
damn we talking about trench crusade?
that setting's metal, but haven't been able to play it yet
unfortunately none of the New Antioch subfactions synergize with my preferred playstyle of shitloads of dakka
they're, funnily enough, almost entirely melee-focused which is incredibly ironic
maybe they'll come out with an English subfaction for that, since iirc they DID invent the machinegun irl
for now, though, i gave all my guys french names
arctic talon
unfortunately none of the New Antioch subfactions synergize with my preferred pl...
It’s so weird Antioch is melee heavy for subfactions
It feels like it contradicts several loadout options
late osprey
yeah, i guess it might be that they still want a reason to play the base subfaction
arctic talon
Ig
late osprey
since if they had a Gun+ subfaction nobody would ever play base New Antioch
opaque coyote
maybe they'll come out with an English subfaction for that, since iirc they DID ...
Britain also invented the Tank as well
late osprey
i want a subfaction all about the mechas with machineguns
arctic talon
Trench crusade is never going to have vehicles
Explicitly
Well
Like big vehicles
late osprey
i maxxed out those guys in my army, the rest are Poor Fucking Infantry
opaque coyote
Fun fact you probably all already knew.
Tank was originally a code word. They were labeled as water tanks.
I remember an alt. History book that did something cool with the concept.
Essentially it was an alternative timeline where the Confederacy somehow won.
...only to collapse like 20 years later due to the advent of new technology making slave labor more trouble than it's worth.
late osprey
point being i just have the riflemen to support my Medieval Wolf Brigade
arctic talon
Yes
late osprey
late osprey
it would be fun, just dont forget to give them helmets lmao
opaque coyote
But essentially America created the tank with in that Alt. History timeline.
But they were called Barrels this time
late osprey
they ONLY come with their rifles
opaque coyote
it would be fun, just dont forget to give them helmets lmao
Who needs helmets? Just don't get sharpnel stuck in your skull loser
late osprey
Who needs helmets? Just don't get sharpnel stuck in your skull loser
"i could buy helmets for all my guys... OR i could buy another guy"
opaque coyote
Seriously helmets don't really block bullets that well. Especially back then.
They were mainly to protect from shrapnel from explosions
late osprey
But essentially America created the tank with in that Alt. History timeline.
Bu...
america exists in this time?
opaque coyote
america exists in this time?
Yeah. Remember the Confederacy wanted to secede due to wanting to continue using slaves
The union would still be an entity
Just with less states than before
Also the Confederacy collapsed in said book
Like 40 years after they won
late osprey
Seriously helmets don't really block bullets that well. Especially back then.
T...
in game iirc their whole thing is they provide a -1 to injury
which in a d6 game is huge
wintry scarab
How old are most chapter's space marine scouts?
arctic talon
america exists in this time?
America in Trench Crusade never got colonized
all we know is they defeated a Heretic Legion invasion
and that Spain trades with them
dusk patrol
Calgar here should have been made a battle brother by 20 probably but got held back due to circumstances with how he was found
late osprey
America in Trench Crusade never got colonized
but if the union and the confederacy exist in Trench Crusade that implies they did
late osprey
if not, the Iroquois regardless would be a badass faction, though New Antioch does have a lot of subfactions as is
crystal forum
hey, millions of dollars and more income along the way
all they need is time and effort
dusk patrol
They’re going slow for now
Mass producing models is obviously pretty hard to start out
They don’t wanna over extend themselves
crystal forum
idk what they initial plans were but with the money they made they could make a lot of models plastic injected
but that's a huge process
and they have so many models
dusk patrol
They’ve said they don’t wanna expand too fast and their quality is a big part of their appeal
crystal forum
did they say they'd print the models
dusk patrol
They are printing them I believe
crystal forum
would be a game changer for the industry if they can supply enough for the demand using only printers
dusk patrol
I don’t think they’re using injection moulding
crystal forum
goes to show how outdated GW's methods are 
dusk patrol
No what GW does
crystal forum
that's what im saying
dusk patrol
It’s better and is more consistent and works for mass production
crystal forum
they could have replaced forge world resin with on demand printed resin
dusk patrol
They 3D print some stuff but it’s a lesser method for their volume and consistency
crystal forum
like why arent titans 3d printed
dusk patrol
Because they have the moulds
crystal forum
makes no sense to use moulds for such low volume
and the moulds get shittier over time
dusk patrol
It’s a niche product anyways, but they’re gonna make good on their investment I assume
It’s already on demand basically
crystal forum
it could be printed for cheaper instead of buying more moulds
dusk patrol
They don’t really do pieces like that anymore and won’t after the moulds are done I expect
dusk patrol
it could be printed for cheaper instead of buying more moulds
They don’t
Once they break they’re done largely
Unless it’s a product which warrants it
Which titans would not
crystal forum
so that's still dog shit
they could do so many models on demand instead of retiring them
dusk patrol
I doubt that’s worth it
dusk patrol
How would it be, they’re wasting time on on demand stuff barely anyone buys
crystal forum
you get one industrial printer making all the on demand stuff
you dont need one for every product
dusk patrol
I doubt it would be worth the effort
On demand products are a death kell anyways for a model, it generally means it’s out the door
It’s better to just focus on the stuff that people are buying
crystal forum
that's because it's injection molded
dusk patrol
On demand stuff is basically only old as dirt models now
crystal forum
literally they lose no money from just having stuff on the store waiting to be printed
dusk patrol
that's because it's injection molded
Yes and it’s not worth it for 20+ year old models no ones buying and half are just printing themselves
dusk patrol
literally they lose no money from just having stuff on the store waiting to be p...
Opportunity cost
The effort put into it probably wouldn’t even be worth it
crystal forum
what effort
the effort was done long ago when the model was created
it's just sitting on a computer doing nothing
if somebody decides to buy it that's some extra cash for an already successful product
resin cost is negligible
printer cost is paid by just 4 titans
dusk patrol
Because they don’t have unlimited space and machines
crystal forum
that's not counting the countless models no longer sold currently
dusk patrol
And the money would be so negligible
crystal forum
Because they don’t have unlimited space and machines
a printer takes very little space, even industrial ones
dusk patrol
Also as far as I’m aware they don’t like to use 3D printing for their models
crystal forum
which circles back to me saying they're outdated
and TC team using printers is going to show some stuff to the industry
dusk patrol
They’re not, their new models are way beyond what 3D printing could mass produce
dusk patrol
and TC team using printers is going to show some stuff to the industry
It’s not because everyone does it
It’s the easy cheap route
Injection moulding is the harder more quality one
crystal forum
have you ever quoted a part to be injection moulded eternal
and had it manufactured
dusk patrol
It’s why GWs models are so detailed, they used 3D printing for some stuff to make the concept but the injection moulding is why they look so good
3D printing maybe one day is gonna be able to do that at the scale they need but it’s an arms race of different things
dusk patrol
I’ve been intimately involved with working at various factories for precision moulding yes
crystal forum
have you done the quotes and the design process
late osprey
have you?
crystal forum
me?
dusk patrol
No and I know you haven’t done it for models either so it doesn’t matter
I’m aware of the why
And GW isn’t in the business to lose money on this stuff
They’re not doing it for shits and giggles
They’re literally at the forefront of war gaming models production
Their stuff is at the peak for what it is and the price.
crystal forum
No and I know you haven’t done it for models either so it doesn’t matter
the process is the same, eternal. you can accomplish a lot more with printing than injection moulding simply due to the physical limits of CNC machining and all the endless issues associated with the chosen plastic
dusk patrol
And you can drastically see the improvement over the years
crystal forum
injection moulding limits creativity a ton
dusk patrol
The issue as I understand is speed and consistency
You can’t mass produce stuff at the scale and precision they need
crystal forum
you can print stuff that would be impossible to injection mould
there are much less physical constraints
dusk patrol
Yes and it doesn’t matter because it takes too long and isn’t feasible for what they need
Their models aren’t the prettiest models that exist
But at the scale they do it?
crystal forum
im not talking all their models
dusk patrol
There’s better models made by like Weta
crystal forum
but say their low volume high price models like HH primarchs
dusk patrol
You’re underestimating the volume needed
They have 3D printers they use for these, they just don’t use them to produce a ton of models cause it’s not worth it.
Maybe one day it will
crystal forum
i am confident it could be if they tried
dusk patrol
After a mould is done the model is done, and by then they’ve largely made a new one
crystal forum
from my experience in the industry at least
crystal forum
they will never replace injection moulding completely
you can't print most injection moulded plastics
dusk patrol
Not yet at least
I’m very curious where the industry is gonna be in like
20 years
3D printing has exploded so much in such a short time
The fact that you can buy one for fairly cheap and make pretty damn great models with one is wild
crystal forum
that's only the consumer level you're seeing
median star
https://tenor.com/view/paulie-gualtieri-paul-tony-sirico-wtf-finger-gif-22816998
me every other thursday
dusk patrol
that's only the consumer level you're seeing
I’ve seen some cutting edge stuff
crystal forum
industrial printing is a whole different level
dusk patrol
It’s wild
My dad in particular works for a company who are on the bleeding edge of it for machine parts
crystal forum
but it's still very cost prohibitive
dusk patrol
The speed it’s improving and becoming cheaper is wild
viral halo
Eternal is right btw
dusk patrol
I wouldn’t be shocked if it becomes a normal home appliance for basic things in like
20 years
viral halo
About the whole titan thing
and why they don't print on demand
Just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint
crystal forum
I wouldn’t be shocked if it becomes a normal home appliance for basic things in ...
they've been saying that since 1990
late osprey
i wonder if GW has released a sustainable plan for 3d printing being so pervasive
viral halo
Have had this convo before with ppl that worked there
dusk patrol
Titans were always a kinda failure largely, but GW throws a lot of darts at the board
viral halo
3d printing doesn't cut into their business as much as people think it does
crystal forum
Have had this convo before with ppl that worked there
i can tell you right now that just because senior people say something doesn't mean it's true (they're stuck up)
dusk patrol
Also why Titan rules suck now and they haven’t updated them
crystal forum
i've seen some big company engineers just completely not understand a new process because they just dont like it
viral halo
i can tell you right now that just because senior people say something doesn't m...
Limited factory space, already have all the machines and moulds-doesn't make sense to introduce an entire new system to an established system
dusk patrol
I seriously doubt GW is leaving that much money on the table, you’re vastly overestimate how much print on demand makes them
It’s print on demand for a reason
crystal forum
Limited factory space, already have all the machines and moulds-doesn't make sen...
that last part is precisely the problem. they dont want to try anything new out of fear of losses
dusk patrol
Same for their books and stuff, it’s almost more like
A courtesy
Than a money maker
viral halo
that last part is precisely the problem. they dont want to try anything new out ...
They've tried out plenty new things
finecast for one
and we all know how that went
dusk patrol
I don’t too you’re getting Jay how GW is at the forefront for this stuff
crystal forum
being at the forefront doesn't make you good at adapting. just means the competition is worse
dusk patrol
Like ffs just look at models from 2016
And the new releases
It’s wild how much they’ve improved
viral halo
Is no competition, hasn't really been since the 80s
dusk patrol
And continue to
viral halo
But yea the model quality from 7e to 9e is insane
dusk patrol
being at the forefront doesn't make you good at adapting. just means the competi...
There’s no one close to their level tbh at the scale they do it
For wargaming at least
crystal forum
just means the competition is worse
dusk patrol
You’re really not getting how insane the quality is for GW
Like look at Lucius
That model would be a fucking weta piece ten years ago
crystal forum
the only thing im stating now is looks can be deceiving
dusk patrol
And now it’s in plastic
viral halo
Even the regular cadian has so much detail
dusk patrol
The stuff they make with plastic was unheard of for resin years ago
viral halo
the new cadian models suck
I like the old ones better personally
storm jungle
I like the old ones better personally
Its more like
viral halo
but the new ones are way more detailed
dusk patrol
I don’t hate them I mostly liked the old Kasrkin masks more
But idk I’m fine with it
dusk patrol
Probably
storm jungle
dusk patrol
Them and Steel Legion, Elysians
storm jungle
KT is prob the entire reason why Krieg got an entire range re-release
(well that and fucking braindead fanbase but still)
storm jungle
Yeah KT is a genius format for shit like that, the other regiments wouldnt really sell as well like the early days prob but id still love to have them in any format tbh
dusk patrol
And presumably it sold insanely well
crystal forum
i told you for so long that GW would notice how insanely big the krieg fanbase is and they'll get a range
storm jungle
Yeah unfortunately lol
dusk patrol
It takes 2 years for a model to be completed so yeah they probably saw a long while ago
storm jungle
I like them as a regiment but putting them at the forefront of the codex as a special edition and shit is disgusting!!!
storm jungle
also that yeah
crystal forum
krieg is more loved than cadia
storm jungle
its basically the classic Jin-roh syndrome
people love evil dudes in gasmasks/World war gear
dusk patrol
Gas masks are cool
storm jungle
which i mean i get it im a helghast fangirl
crystal forum
but never listen to the furry!
storm jungle
shut up!
dusk patrol
Yes
crystal forum
look who's laughing now
storm jungle
crystal forum
next up is valhallan range trust
storm jungle
also like even in dorktide, the mask is fucked but people still buy the krieg shit in droves
that tells you a lot lol
dusk patrol
If they listened to you Jay the model lines would all look like that Wolfdawg fanart
dusk patrol
He knows his audience can’t blame him for that
storm jungle
not untrue....
dusk patrol
It’s at least high quality furry smut
storm jungle
I get enough seeing some of my friends wanna fuck tyrannids
i dont need this ontop of that
crystal forum
unironically?
storm jungle
lol yeah
viral halo
Need a new Kharn (PBUH) model
crystal forum
of all factions to fuck
crystal forum
there's orks
storm jungle
they arent as good
crystal forum
how would you know this
viral halo
Snorks
vagrant fox
It's more interesting than another big titty tau anime gf
storm jungle
^
viral halo
Have you guys considered consensual sex with a human
storm jungle
no
viral halo
and not creatures
storm jungle
I mean
crystal forum
are we rating kinks by how interesting they are now
storm jungle
humans can be creatures
vagrant fox
Hell yea brudder hh
storm jungle
also fun fact, Nids can also reproduce by themselves as per lore
vagrant fox
are we rating kinks by how interesting they are now
I do
viral halo
Maybe they shit out more nids
sometimes I take a big enough shit that it gains sentience
crystal forum
Have you guys considered consensual sex with a human
i am, with you in mind
storm jungle
Hold on lemme get the passage
viral halo
i am, with you in mind
Sorry Jay, I'd leave you with frosted turds for a week
crystal forum
please stop making me regret reading
storm jungle
Realistically they're probably like aphids - functionally genderless creatures which are born 'pregnant' with a clutch of clone embryos which they birth (or lay as eggs) before their life cycle expires
also yes of course its fucking Kryptman
vagrant fox
sometimes I take a big enough shit that it gains sentience
A German (presumably) managed to shit on the ceiling at one of my old jobs. I reckon it requires a mighty splashback
dusk patrol
I’m mostly impressed
crystal forum
that's dedication
viral halo
A German (PBUH)
storm jungle
damn
dusk patrol
I can safely say I’ve never managed to shit on a ceiling
crystal forum
I assume they grab and throw it
that's your brain trying to shield you from the other possibilities
storm jungle
Death Guard ahh comment
vagrant fox
Grabbing it is nasty, grody-ass woman
storm jungle
BUT SHITTING ON THE CEILING ISNT?
viral halo
https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-nurgling-pooping-gif-24684196
remember they could include this but not gore at launch because of germany again
dusk patrol
Germany determined to ruin everything they can after they got back to back clapped
vagrant fox
BUT SHITTING ON THE CEILING ISNT?
Yes but I prefer to imagine a more sanitary launch method
storm jungle
germany be like "Im gonna need you to replace an entire human enemy faction with robots"
viral halo
Germany be like "Im gonna need you to replace my entire male population with Turks"
storm jungle
LMFAO
viral halo
but they can still vote in Turkish elections
plush mason
>monsterfucking
dusk patrol
Mfw I was talking to this German guy and he was mad about the Polish people in his country but said, unironically “Well someone has to do the plumbing I guess.”
storm jungle
Cant believe we got Nids having birthing tracts before 11th Edition
plush mason
Cant believe we got Nids having birthing tracts before 11th Edition
did it say which kind of nids have them?
dusk patrol
No irony either
storm jungle
did it say which kind of nids have them?
In the Short he is inspecting normal gaunts it makes sense since they are the most numerous bioforms especially if they run off to hide after an invasion possibly fails
vagrant fox
Mfw I was talking to this German guy and he was mad about the Polish people in h...
I had a conversation end on a similar-ish note about sometimes having to pick the strawberries
plush mason
In the Short he is inspecting normal gaunts it makes sense since they are the mo...
yeah true
because it meantioned "vanguard" and i was like, oh nice..lictors can have babies
plush mason
yeah the idea of being swarmed by a mob of juvenile lictors is not a fun one
vagrant fox
You will enjoy more pregnancy lore
dusk patrol
I had a conversation end on a similar-ish note about sometimes having to pick th...
I had to really resist making any comments, I thought he was joking at first
plush mason
also how the fuck is Kryptman even still alive?
plush mason
no like, wasnt that like 500 years ago as of the current point in the setting?
median star
so i know commissars use bolt pistols las pistols and plasma pistols maybe even stub pistols do they get a choice usually or are they also stuck in the fuck you get what you get area
dusk patrol
Uh lucky
storm jungle
^
dusk patrol
After 300 it’s a crap shoot
On if the treatments will work or whatever
Some people just die
Some keep ticking
viral halo
I am 300 years old
storm jungle
so i know commissars use bolt pistols las pistols and plasma pistols maybe even ...
You CAN kinda maybe get like "rewarded" better weapons for your service, or just fucking switch in the warzone
dusk patrol
300 is the most that generally can be guaranteed as a rule
plush mason
his hate of the nids keeps him alive
storm jungle
300 is the most that generally can be guaranteed as a rule
dont forget convenient mcguffin for said special character too
fucking dumbass coteaz
I HATE YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS BOOK
dusk patrol
Shut up he’s cool
median star
also when are we getting plasma pistol fartshart
rose thorn
Oh I didn’t realize Wayne June passed away today
storm jungle
Yeah fucking sucks
i dont think i can even properly play any future update without him now
dusk patrol
Oh yeah that guy
rose thorn
plush mason
I HATE YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS BOOK
i have no idea who this person is but i am just imagining a dude walking around with a big ass book on his back that is actually some xeno device that is keeping him alive
rose thorn
Knowing the new DD2 dlc was one of the last things he worked on really sucks
My 2 cents is get a sound alike for confession mode
But have a new perosn do all the kingdoms
plush mason
DD2 dlc?
storm jungle
Yeah i assume so, his voice is like what made Darkest Dungeon lol
plush mason
oh
rose thorn
Wiat does kingdoms use him as a va I need to check
storm jungle
It definitely does
rose thorn
Ah
storm jungle
VA-work usually gets done months in advance
rose thorn
Shit
arctic talon
Wane June is like
arctic talon
Wiat does kingdoms use him as a va I need to check
Yes
He has special lines for all the Miltia types
And the upgrades
rose thorn
I guess they will need to hire a sound alike I guess
arctic talon
Ngl
rose thorn
If they wanna keep making dlc
arctic talon
I’d rather them not
rose thorn
Me too
rose thorn
I’d like kingdoms to hard pivot VA
storm jungle
Yeah again, hes what made the games
arctic talon
He’s iconic yes, but he isn’t essential imo
storm jungle
it would be EXTREMELY jarring
arctic talon
I do loves how different
rose thorn
The kingdoms guy isn’t even the ancestor I think
arctic talon
His delivery is as the academic
arctic talon
The kingdoms guy isn’t even the ancestor I think
It’s the academic
storm jungle
Based
arctic talon
That’s literally the lore
You’re busy coordinating the defense of the kingdoms now as repentance LOL
Infinite power, nah
Infinite community service, yeah
tough haven
I LOVE DARKEST DUNGEON 2!!!!
rose thorn
Alternatively, it would be fun is each region has a VA
tough haven
No like I actually do
storm jungle
DD2 is literally an average tuesday in WHF
arctic talon
“They’re fucked if you don’t help them”
rose thorn
But they will probably hire a sound alike
tough haven
darkest dungeon series is my favorite game
arctic talon
While the normal Miltia only need mild assistance
storm jungle
its not my favorite but its on the upper tiers
viral halo
DD2 Sucks
viral halo
dd1 >
rose thorn
They are basically different games entirely lmao
storm jungle
GUN LEAN MAN GUN LEAN
rose thorn
I like the combat of 2 so much
storm jungle
the combat is SOOO fucking satisfying
arctic talon
Sooooooo boring
storm jungle
the fact that they actually move is SEX
arctic talon
Black reliquary
storm jungle
Black reliquary
GYATT
arctic talon
Fixes my issues with DD1 combat
Which makes it less absurdly stun and alpha strike centric
storm jungle
leave it to the devs of a porn-game to make a better combat system
arctic talon
With the preparation turns
arctic talon
leave it to the devs of a porn-game to make a better combat system
I am not fucking a kvarotz golem sis
💀
arctic talon
storm jungle
Oh nah yeah like
arctic talon
It’s porting DD2 combat