the problem is tho
#40k-lore-chat
sly ivy
Author got real big
storm jungle
everyone has a motivation
barren prawn
theyre gonna tell the story of a tech priest working on the golden throne
sly ivy
Editor stepped back
storm jungle
Yep
sly ivy
Could have used editor
barren prawn
a story about a scout that fucking loses their weapon during the siege
and maybe a cat pov of the seige
literal slop aside from one story
storm jungle
Could have used editor
yeah ASOIAF for me is while great George gets distracted by the realism too much, its great that every little character has wants/needs and some we actually explore to painstaking detail but even he has admitted this ends up in a knot of conspiracies he cant unravel lol
sly ivy
theyre gonna tell the story of a tech priest working on the golden throne
wtf I want this and the cat story so bad
storm jungle
because as it turns out writing multiple characters with suhc a style is extremely difficult lol
sly ivy
Where is the slop
Slop is like AND THEN THE MAIN CHARACTER UBER SUPER PRIMARCH PUNCHED SOMEONE’S FUCKING HEAD OFF
Don’t @ me I like know no fear too
storm jungle
To be fair Know No Fear does it well
because theres proper stakes
its not just mindless violence
sly ivy
Yes it’s real good haha
storm jungle
Its probably because the actual battle has serious implications
and its not just some fuck-off location
barren prawn
To be fair Know No Fear does it well
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/978614564516139008/1333050686421729311/New_Bitmap2_Image.png?ex=67977bb2&is=67962a32&hm=ba2cda246edc27063f7e1b702aebbf1c1b9db1d28476b4c261613ab56178a90c&
this entire line if you imagine it as one book is peak
sly ivy
I agree that Perpetual is the true heart and climax of HH
barren prawn
mark of calth just for the last story
sly ivy
It made me climax
storm jungle
💀
rose thorn
beastmen died so they could thrive in Darkest Dungeon 2
outer wave
spring cairn
more like pigmen
arctic talon
fair
rose thorn
i love dd2 
its insanely fun
fleet parcel
young pecan
Final boss of the first game being solo'd by a man too angry and disease-riddled to die
median star
proof
vagrant fox
I've made a terrible mistake by reading the alpha legion subreddit
umbral kraken
looks like the majority of the world's population is not at midnight, though 1-10AM wouldnt be too far off
🤓 👆
crystal forum
i wish to physically punt zealot players
vagrant fox
Mad because I'm holy and loved by the emperor, blessed be his name whatever it is, and you aren't
arctic talon
i wish to physically punt zealot players
You’re just mad I get a 2 handed powersword
dusk patrol
https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659
Someone’s gonna be dead in this chat in a minute
You
You is the someone
umbral kraken
Someone’s gonna be dead in this chat in a minute
me + you when i see you (im really high up)
arctic talon
dusk patrol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544034067855966230/1332211601096314930/oW...
Me, standing on top you, triumphant.
You, after your pathetic failed sneak attack, dead, forgetting your weakness to massive blunt force trauma to the head.
umbral kraken
crystal forum
that night lord is only pretending to be dead
arctic talon
That NL has gold trim
green loom
Nu art?
arctic talon
Old
I just think it’s weird one of the Necrons is so hunched over
Like that would suck lol
soft thunder
I like how the necron aren't really given any explanation as to why they're so smart/good at technology stuff. I wonder if it came before or after their overwhelming arrogance and superiority complex.
arctic talon
How strong WERE the C’tan?
Gods in real space, we know that they were weaker then the chaos gods and stronger then the emperor unsharded
We don’t have an exact “fix” on their power
But we know that they were strong enough to pretty much genocide the old ones with necron support
umbral kraken
errant yacht
A dumb thought relating to the Emperor having many names before the age of the Imperium, but would he ever have lived Oda Nobunaga's life?
umbral kraken
A dumb thought relating to the Emperor having many names before the age of the I...
arent you my friend on steam
oh you're my friend on discord too, duh
tough haven
Are there any official examples of mechanicus psykers?
tough haven
Such as?
opaque coyote
"The elites don't want you to know, but the human babies on the hive worlds are free, you can take them home. I have 458 babies."
dusk patrol
Such as?
The main example is a Skitarii who developed powers during the psychic awakening
They now are basically a times 1000 version of Chernobyl and are kept in a lead lined case and used to fuck up enemies on the battlefield
late osprey
i would think that such things as psykers would be highly disliked as it runs contrary to the whole cult's idea of the flesh being weak
dusk patrol
It’s abnormal for a reason
opaque coyote
i would think that such things as psykers would be highly disliked as it runs co...
Tbf it's more about the soul.
than the flesh
So it still works out.
late osprey
Tbf it's more about the soul.
not really, mechanicus considers the soul congruent with the flesh, hence why they attribute treason as the flesh failing them
arctic talon
A dumb thought relating to the Emperor having many names before the age of the I...
presumably not imo. The Emperor didn't seem to be extremely active
opaque coyote
Why the fuck does this sound something straight out of 40k
Like I can imagine
++Thought of the Day: Do not commit the sin of empathy++
celest dome
Cause the Imperium is meant to be a satire on those sort of peoples
rocky gale
late osprey
++Thought of the Day: Do not commit the sin of empathy++
that actually fits so well lmao
winter vessel
Why the fuck does this sound something straight out of 40k
looks like a fucked up AI Harry Potter art prompt
storm jungle
Why the fuck does this sound something straight out of 40k
Because it basically is and was said before
its a pretty fascist quote lol
winter vessel
them garments look like an Epic quality cosmetic set from an MMO
sterile turret
that actually fits so well lmao
I swear it appears on the loading screen text in game
hasty coral
spare osprey
Linking the golden rule is crazy
tough haven
The main example is a Skitarii who developed powers during the psychic awakening
What is this from?
rose thorn
AHASHVSEVDUBSUS I’m
Fucking dying my roommate is asleep
Classic Warhammer experience
ask a question
the response does not answer the question
tough haven
Linking the golden rule is crazy
I’m gonna link the golden rule any time people are mean on the internet
rose thorn
what question
About warhammer underworlds
celest dome
what was the question 
rose thorn
what was the question <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Sorry I just need a rule clarification real quick, so let’s say you are playing a warband with more than 4 fighters and your opponent only had 3 fighters. A; can you in total only activate 4 fighters per round
B; when your opponent runs out of fighters to activate, do you just use your remaining activations?
Sorry if it’s in the rule book, I just can’t find where it would be
I need to completely understand the game because I have to do a project in college about it 
celest dome
Can't find anything
rose thorn
The embergard box has a 3 model and 5 model warband
celest dome
Think you would activate all the fighter
rose thorn
So I’m not sure
I think so too but you only have 4 activation tokens , I might need to binge a battle report
rose thorn
Think you would activate all the fighter
Okay I got it, you have 4 activations you can spend how ever you want
You can make 1 fighter go 4 times, 2 fighters 2 times etc
Some actions you can only do one like charge
barren prawn
the skitarii had some sort of Psychic Awakening™️
NO SPOILERS
tough haven
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s2ejIx5n/psychic-awakening-th...
damn cant download it, page doesnt exist
arctic talon
yeah I'ma be real with you
this GSC mini is lame
he looks lamer then the normal primus
green loom
Peak Stormvermin meanwhile
rose thorn
he looks lamer then the normal primus
Yeah but this also the first time you can get him without the patriarch and magus
rose thorn
Exactly
arctic talon
idk
maybe my standards are too high lol
but I was really expecting something more interesting
at least pose or like
just equipment wise
rose thorn
At least we have a good claw lord model
arctic talon
mhm
rose thorn
maybe my standards are too high lol
The model just isn’t great
queen laurel
At least we have a good claw lord model
hey mags
what da zog do all of these mean
rose thorn
hey mags
I was gonna @ you, I WAS RIGHT THEY WANT MIXED ARMIES
You probably are gonna get rules to skip a certain phase
queen laurel
I was gonna @ you, I WAS RIGHT THEY WANT MIXED ARMIES
yeah to be honest trolls are cool but only using trolls would be boring
so i'm glad they are able to use basically every facet of their army
rose thorn
You already have trogg only rules, I imagine the armies of renown are squig and wolf only
queen laurel
You already have trogg only rules, I imagine the armies of renown are squig and ...
yeah they need some proppa representation
queen laurel
I was gonna @ you, I WAS RIGHT THEY WANT MIXED ARMIES
If only they actually bother separating and making the orruks not reliant on each other
rose thorn
I think mixed force gits is ultimately healthier for the army
queen laurel
I think mixed force gits is ultimately healthier for the army
To be honest that is one of the strong points of the Gitz in lore, they have cunning but they don't have like the body and strength of ogors, Gargants, and orruks
and so they use a menagerie of things to even it out
Troggoths for muscle
squigs for societal needs and war
Stuff like that makes them great and the fact that they actually bother reflecting that on the army
i can safely say i'm happy
dusk patrol
Neither of them really grab me.
They're fine for what they're doing but not quite as good as event minis tend to be imo.
rose thorn
As long as we have another ‘any Gloomspite gitz’ option i think we will be good
queen laurel
As long as we have another ‘any Gloomspite gitz’ option i think we will be good
welp so far destruction is doing great
questionable for Orruks
rose thorn
Only boar spam sucks
queen laurel
and giants and Ogors are roughly speaking on the spot they are wanting to be
rose thorn
But they ahve an army of renown to make it okay
queen laurel
in that giant's suck and ogres are OK
queen laurel
But they ahve an army of renown to make it okay
yep
rose thorn
Balance wise giants need to suck
queen laurel
Balance wise giants need to suck
yeah that's why i said they are on the spot they want to be
The only viable way to make them competitively viable is to buff their stats so much that they can basically eat a spell to the face and not even flinch
rose thorn
Ogors are waiting for trh rework, aka thier bare bone balancing
queen laurel
but what they are is good enough
queen laurel
Ogors are waiting for trh rework, aka thier bare bone balancing
yeah only thing they need is a bit of sprucing up
most of their stuff is from fantasy
arctic talon
They're fine for what they're doing but not quite as good as event minis tend to...
Yeah
opaque coyote
plush mason
I was gonna @ you, I WAS RIGHT THEY WANT MIXED ARMIES
it is magic the gathering meets warhammer so
rose thorn
?
plush mason
afaik mixed color decks are better than pure color decks
rose thorn
Ye, I told Bulgur I had a feeling they wanted to pivot Gitz to mixed forces instead of mono themed armies like now
I imagine the 2 Armies of Renown will be for mono armies
plush mason
when did this maledictum thing start anyway? i just heard of it
opaque coyote
GYAAATTTTT
plush mason
no i mean the card game lol
humble shoal
Lel
arctic talon
when did this maledictum thing start anyway? i just heard of it
Imperium maledictum the ttrpg started like a year ago
plush mason
does it have cards?
arctic talon
does it have cards?
No
opaque coyote
Does the Imperium have credit/debit cards?
Probably not but I wonder if some planets have them for their local currency
I also wonder what gives the Thrones or whatever value exactly?
Ducats are apparently made out of gold
Terces, in Medusa, are silver
So is the Thrones value tied to the Gold Standard?
Like Thrones kinda need to be tied to something to give it inherit value since it's widely used throughout the Imperium.
You'd also need it for local currency transfers
late osprey
I also wonder what gives the Thrones or whatever value exactly?
if i might hazard a guess, their value comes from the exchange rates the Administratum gives
not exchange rates for other currency, but exchange rates for guns, ammo, and soldiers in classic 40k fashion
"Often goods, resources, and manpower are substituted as currency on a planetary level.[3e]"
this is all we have on it
opaque coyote
not exchange rates for other currency, but exchange rates for guns, ammo, and so...
Yeah honestly I would believe that tbh
Like I remember a fanfic where the Night Lords have set up a black market in their shit hole of a planet
Where the currency was literally Bolter shells
late osprey
as the administratum has a de-facto monopoly on galactic resource allocation, they probably would be singlehandedly responsible for setting currency values
accidentally doubling as the imperium's central bank
opaque coyote
I can definitely see it tied to weaponry. Like Lasguns
late osprey
again, in classic 40k fashion
it would mostly be relevant for the planetary governments who need to get this gear for their regiments, and that would trickle down to the rest of society
opaque coyote
Although Lasguns have different patterns so
What the fuck would it even be based off of
Like a Hell gun is better than your random ass Lasgun from Hive whatitsname
late osprey
probably it goes like this:
- Standard Lasgun - X Moneys
- Elite Lasgun - 5X Moneys
and you need 1000 of the fuckers minimum for a regiment
so its just cheaper to order normal lasguns from the Administratum
late osprey
the Administratum, in turn, probably buys said guns from Forge Worlds with the money they make selling them to various planets + tithes
opaque coyote
"2500 thrones for a tank"
late osprey
"2500 thrones for a tank"
the rate they set is probably completely arbitrary and was defined like 9,000 years ago
meaning its pretty much impossible for the economy to grow
opaque coyote
Although I thought about it being tied to the Gold Standard because
Just
Look at the Imperium palace
The Emperor probably would've done it because it would be funny
storm jungle
the rate they set is probably completely arbitrary and was defined like 9,000 ye...
I wouldnt really say "buy" its just given in a tithe-like format for the entire feudalism angle.
a lot of imperial organisations are symbiotic/parasitic of each other
opaque coyote
I wouldnt really say "buy" its just given in a tithe-like format for the entire ...
So basically
X amount of guardsmen
Y amount of grain
Blahblahblah-
storm jungle
So basically
X amount of guardsmen
Y amount of grain
Thats the lore explanation yea
every planet has a "tithe" of some kind.
theres just a few exceptions amongst like trillions
late osprey
yeah there are commodity tithes
storm jungle
"currency" is always a local planetary thing
late osprey
but its also very likely that the standardized currencies are part of that tithe
opaque coyote
Yeah I'm thinking that due to Thrones being used as a general currency throughout games and even some books and lore
I'm just generally wondering what gives it actual value
storm jungle
but its also very likely that the standardized currencies are part of that tithe
Anything that serves the war effort usually is but money doesnt really help with it much compared to weapons/men
opaque coyote
Tareldar suggested that it's probably tied to weaponry. Which makes sense lmao
late osprey
"currency" is always a local planetary thing
it isn't, there are examples of interstellar currency in 40k
arctic talon
Does the Imperium have credit/debit cards?
Universally no
storm jungle
it isn't, there are examples of interstellar currency in 40k
Yeah but even that varies
storm jungle
^
opaque coyote
There’s sector wide stuff
Yeah I was thinking mainly about that
Like
What gives the sector stuff value?
Weapons?
arctic talon
We’ve never seen currency used at a segmentum or multi sector
arctic talon
What gives the sector stuff value?
The big planets in the sector
late osprey
we still have the question of how a planetary government actually gets the weapons and armor they need to raise their armies
arctic talon
Forgeworlds, hive worlds
green loom
The Feds(Imperials) don't pay anyone, service is rewarded with different stuff
Like not being shot, and settling rights and shit
arctic talon
Ect.
late osprey
especially since they make patterns that are almost never on world
opaque coyote
Also I think 30k had a universal currency before it all turned into shit
storm jungle
we still have the question of how a planetary government actually gets the weapo...
Manufactured locally or exported
its pretty clear
arctic talon
we still have the question of how a planetary government actually gets the weapo...
Get it from the mechanicus or manufacture it
green loom
The Tithe feeds new regiments
arctic talon
^
arctic talon
You give stuff -> you get stuff
green loom
If your planet is tithed for grain a nearby manufactorum world is tithed for weapons
opaque coyote
The Tithe feeds new regiments
Although sometimes the regiment doesn't even exist
late osprey
there's still money in feudalism lol
plush mason
"currency" is always a local planetary thing
iirc some manufactoriums work just like company towns, they have their own currency that isnt accepted outside the manufactorium
late osprey
then there's still the question as to what planets get what guns
as aforementioned, some guns are better than others
green loom
Like how Tertium is tithed for Tanks even as it's at war
arctic talon
then there's still the question as to what planets get what guns
It depend on their tithe grade
storm jungle
iirc some manufactoriums work just like company towns, they have their own curre...
Yeah pretty much. Money is largely worthless
arctic talon
Your quality of stuff is dependent on your tithe grade
storm jungle
anything that feeds the war will be taken
arctic talon
From what we’ve seen
storm jungle
economic values are not important to them
arctic talon
Higher tithe grade planets get better stuff
green loom
as aforementioned, some guns are better than others
The administratum specifies it, it's usually whatever is produced nearby
green loom
Or very far away depending on how weird you want to get lmao
opaque coyote
as aforementioned, some guns are better than others
So that's one of the reasons why Administratium employees are constantly one step away from killing themselves
green loom
Like a planet in Ultima could very feasibly get shipments from Solar just for paperwork reasons
arctic talon
It’s why you have shit like Krieg near exclusively using Lucius stuff
opaque coyote
Seriously I can't imagine trying to keep track of a barter based economy on a galactic scale.
Without any sort of AI.
storm jungle
Yeah its pretty basic reasoning.
Mostly because nobody wants to write about planetary economics because it would get extremely befuddled as most of the writers dont wanna bother, so the feudalism angle keeps it at a "simple" level for exports/imports among other things.
green loom
Seriously I can't imagine trying to keep track of a barter based economy on a ga...
Well it's not barter based
late osprey
where exactly is it said that tithe grade also means resource allocation?
green loom
The feds tax you under threat of death and then distribute that from big administratum hubs
arctic talon
where exactly is it said that tithe grade also means resource allocation?
It’s in one of the core rule books that lists out all the tithe grades
One moment
I’ll try to see if I have it on hand
storm jungle
Yeah it was one of them
green loom
*that we know of
storm jungle
a lot of books also repeat it
late osprey
It’s in one of the core rule books that lists out all the tithe grades
i'm on the lexicanum page right now and i dont see any mention of
storm jungle
Yeah because thats the lexicanum
green loom
The Entire reason Arbites exist is to make sure the Tithe ships get their toll
storm jungle
they dont go into this niche amount of detail lol
storm jungle
they really dont
the entire point of the lexi is to be a summary
not painstaking details
arctic talon
Lexicanum sucks compared to the direct source
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Also I don’t have the rulebook on hand
green loom
It's not that big a reach regardless of source
storm jungle
Also I don’t have the rulebook on hand
Which one was it
late osprey
it makes mistakes, but omitting that part when otherwise it's a 1:1 copy over (as the lines usually are) seems highly unlikely
so id love to see the primary source
green loom
Considering the Grapevine nightmare the administratum is having exceptions and extra designations for niche circumstances is entirely on brand
storm jungle
Its still summary information
arctic talon
Which one was it
I think it’s either the dark heresy core rule book or the 6e 40k one
storm jungle
I think it’s either the dark heresy core rule book or the 6e 40k one
Aight lemme take a look
storm jungle
You are the one thats gonna go through these pages not me so (:
late osprey
It's not that big a reach regardless of source
its not a big reach at all, but its still just an inference otherwise
green loom
Do you think there's a pleasure world that's tithed for bodies
green loom
green loom
That's technically the entire imperium smh
late osprey
pleasure worlds are no doubt tithed for parties
even cardinals need rest
especially the cardinals
green loom
late osprey
Be mistaken tbf
what i DID find was the Aestimare ranking (though its apparently uncited) which explicitly ranks a planet's importance; while that doesnt specifically say higher-ranked planets get more stuff than lower-ranked planets, it seems pretty obvious that it would in this barter model
the highest ranked places are research stations, ironically enough
i still think currency is probably the medium of exchange here, just regional, because that would be the only real way for the administratum to calculate the exact value of the resources being sent out and collected
arctic talon
what i DID find was the Aestimare ranking (though its apparently uncited) which ...
Found the source for this it’s the 3rd edition core rule book
Lexicanum did cite correctly
late osprey
for the aestimare?
arctic talon
For aestimare yes
late osprey
here's another fun bit
"The Imperial Tithe ultimately is for the benefit of Terra, and makes it the site of both incredible wealth and extreme poverty. While Terra had a grand splendor and was heavily restored during the time of the Great Crusade, as of the 41st Millennium most of its structures have decayed.[37a]" (that's Vaults of Terra)
so i dont doubt materials utterly irrelevant to the war effort are siphoned during tithes as well and just given to Terran aristocrats
plush mason
there is likely a lot of worlds who's soul purpose in the imperium is to send water to Terra
arctic talon
so i dont doubt materials utterly irrelevant to the war effort are siphoned duri...
There’s a thing in vaults of terra where an interrogator realizes that a single grape on terra for a noble costs more money then she’s ever seen In her entire life lol
And it’s not even a good grape
The thing tasted terrible and was small
late osprey
there is likely a lot of worlds who's soul purpose in the imperium is to send wa...
i bet in the 41st millennium, neptune has been completely drained
plush mason
oh most surely
late osprey
"ahhh the freshest of uranal water"
plush mason
Terra is basically a black hole eatting the imperium from the inside
storm jungle
the adeptus custodes codex mentions it being mined for some weird material otherwise we dont really know
no wait it was its moon i think let me see
fucking dumbass solar system
late osprey
neptune is fine, though its funny to think of terra slurping up water planets
plush mason
ngl its funny we named the planet after the god and the moon after the titan
storm jungle
We are pretty creative with names usually for the most part
not like greek myth isnt filled with ones to steal
plush mason
its just the random symbolism you can find in it
celest dome
A couple of years back, a Belgian team found a star with 7 exoplanets.
And in Belgium people wanted those 7 exoplanets to be named after Trappist Beers (6 Belgian ones) and something else I've forgotten
storm jungle
god lol
celest dome
Instead we have Trappist-1 to Trappist-7 or some lame shit
plush mason
ngl it makes more sense than naming them after dead gods and titans that havent been worshiped for centuries at least
late osprey
well all the original ones got their common names during the renaissance when people were really into that stuff
so at least that part makes sense
plush mason
fair
celest dome
Wonder how the God of Laws would have been had they too been ported to 40k
crystal forum
at least biologists get to name their discoveries whatever they want
for some reason astronomy thinks they have to be classy
crystal forum
Wonder how the God of Laws would have been had they too been ported to 40k
they'd corrupt adeptus arbites lol
i have no idea who this god is
but they worship the law like it's the emperor himself
celest dome
Gods of Law
4+ Gods that initially fought the Chaos Gods and lost
The White Widow basically meant to be one
celest dome
It's fantasy ones
jade holly
ngl it makes more sense than naming them after dead gods and titans that havent ...
Which reminds me, why tf is Uranus the only planet not named after the Roman version? Which would be Caelus
arctic talon
Alt head is better
soft thunder
Found the source for this it’s the 3rd edition core rule book
That's literally the only written source I can find for Aestimare. It's only included on in-universe info screen when they introduce a world in some holo-screen shot.
soft thunder
I mean GW still rolls w/ it as a background thing. It's in most of the recent animations when they show a new planet
and SM2
remote widget
Why is the order of the fiery heart mad at felix, they said he could keep it in skavenslayer
rose thorn
Alt head is better
Very much so
Crazy that the adepticon models would be amazing for their armies if normally available
Current clawlord model is
soft thunder
And it hasn’t been contradicted
can't contradict something that is only mentioned in writing once
arctic talon
🔥
soft thunder
it's just a word with number next to it really, not even a sentence or anything. Just inferrences based on context it is used
😭
like forge worlds are pretty high importance, Mars and Terra are A1
(I assume)
dusky beacon
Whats the T'au method of FTL?
hallow plover
Whats the T'au method of FTL?
Small jumps through the warp since they don't have the astronomican/psykers
They think daemons are mean aliens
dusky beacon
Ah so they're really inefficient with their travel
hallow plover
Considering they're still a young race it's not that bad
They've been expanding ||and getting wrecked||
dusky beacon
Hopefully a less hostile Aldari Craftworld can vibe with The Greater Good and set then on the path to Webway travel
arctic talon
Hopefully a less hostile Aldari Craftworld can vibe with The Greater Good and se...
Absolutely not lol
The greater good would require a craftworld to be inferior to the tau
No eldar would ever let that happen
dusky beacon
I never got the vibe that The Greater Good put the T'au race on a pedestal, aside from the Ethereals
arctic talon
I never got the vibe that The Greater Good put the T'au race on a pedestal, asid...
All other races are second class citizens in the empire
Due to how tau society works
dusky beacon
Ah
hasty coral
Most sympathetic primarch?
dusky beacon
I know the Caste system
hasty coral
I gotta give it to Angron personally
After reading his whole story DAMN
Bro just wanted to be left alone
arctic talon
You can’t be part of the caste system unless you’re Tau
And that means you have almost 0 social mobility
As a non tau
dusky beacon
But aside from the Ethereals all T'au castes are considered equal right?
dusky beacon
You can’t be part of the caste system unless you’re Tau
Yeah i know
arctic talon
But aside from the Ethereals all T'au castes are considered equal right?
Not really?
hasty coral
There aren’t a lot of differences between the other castes in terms of standing?
Yes
arctic talon
I.E in matters of war a fire warrior’s opinion is going to take precedent
Over a water caste spies
dusky beacon
There aren’t a lot of differences between the other castes in terms of standing?
This is what I meant yeah
hasty coral
The line between Fire Caste and others is much closer then Ethereals and everyone else
Yes
It’s like “haha I’m higher then you”
Vs
Racial slur
dusky beacon
Best typo
arctic talon
💀
dusky beacon
Konrad
hasty coral
For me I ONLY feel bad for Angron
dusky beacon
And Magnus
dusky beacon
He didn't see any other options to protect his Sons
Konrad needed some heavy fuckin therapy
hasty coral
Angron just wanted to be left fucking alone
Really highlighted the issue with
“We are your brothers/sons”
“BRO I DON’T KNOW YOU”
Even BESIDES the nails
Like Emperor just picked him up and said fuck you
AND didn’t help the mfs he was CLEARLY helping
Like
WHY
arctic talon
For me I ONLY feel bad for Angron
Angron before he got the nails
arctic talon
Afterwards he literally should have just killed himself or rebeled
hasty coral
Why would you NOT help the mfs who were fighting with your sons
hasty coral
At least get some good boy points with your son
Or something
WHAT DOES HE GAIN BY BEING AN ASSHOLE?!
dusky beacon
For acting outside your caste
I from what I understand most of the Castes are genetically adapted to their role, a T'au born into the Air Caste would be a pretty shitty warrior and therefore a weak link
hasty coral
Like pragmatically that makes NEGATIVE sense
“Damn how could my sons betray me?”
Mf WHAT REASON did they EVER have to like you?!
I’m sorry but even psychopaths know how to FAKE empathy
And know doing so benefits them
The Emperor doesn’t even do THAT
And I hate it
It makes no sense
And makes the Emperor seem majorly fucking stupid
Like you’re telling me he doesn’t know charisma??
Which
He DOES
But just like
NOT enough to work people?
He is HOW old?
And he doesn’t know how to effectively manipulate people
Subtly
?
opaque coyote
And makes the Emperor seem majorly fucking stupid
Honestly I kind of like that in some way?
Like it definitely could be executed better. But I like him being like
hasty coral
Like bro
Ciaphus Cain knew how to inspire his subordinates better
opaque coyote
The worst dad ever
dusky beacon
Is it charisma, or is it the fact he's an 11 foot tall demigod that makes people listen go him
He is NOT a human being
opaque coyote
Is it charisma, or is it the fact he's an 11 foot tall demigod that makes people...
One of his demigod powers is literally supernatural charisma.
It's also implied that whatever is says is what they want to hear.
dusky beacon
He cannot relate to the people
opaque coyote
Like it automatically translates into the best way you can hear it.
But not to his sons
hasty coral
So he is just super uneducated in Charisma in reality?
That
Fits better
Godly hubris
opaque coyote
He cannot relate to the people
Despite claiming to be for mankind.
To be the saviour.
He damned them to a fate worse than death.
hasty coral
I am playing Rogue Trader recently and MAN I love just being the rational fucking human being in 40k
dusky beacon
I don't see Big E as a human being, he's just as alien as a Xenos
hasty coral
I don't see Big E as a human being, he's just as alien as a Xenos
Psychic being
Essentially
dusky beacon
Hes clearly so much more
vagrant fox
Big E is a tens-of-thousands year old warlord, he probably just forgot how to act human at some point
hasty coral
He really ISN’T human
Just like objectively
opaque coyote
So he is just super uneducated in Charisma in reality?
There is also a theory that is interesting.
That essentially his sons have a piece of his soul. Essentially they are aspects of himself.
hasty coral
Too much Psychic
opaque coyote
And all that's left is the godly shell.
hasty coral
Decent theory
Angron COULD have really just killed himself though
That’s like
The one issue I have with his story
Dude
Just kill yourself
dusky beacon
Big E also seems to not want to actually do anything
opaque coyote
Canonically, he also reportedly cast off his hope and love.
But unfortunately that takes place JUST BEFORE THE FIGHT WITH HORUS.
dusky beacon
Its all a job to him
opaque coyote
Big E also seems to not want to actually do anything
The Imperium was essentially one large ass waiting line for the Webway he was building.
green loom
Is it charisma, or is it the fact he's an 11 foot tall demigod that makes people...
The latter has an active effect on people
Like they're basically all latent psykers
hasty coral
Like Isha serves life and is IRONICALLY serving life in Nurgle’s capture
green loom
Nurlge is a parasite that feeds off life
hasty coral
I always find that morbidly poetic
green loom
Or disease and entropy more like
opaque coyote
Nurlge is a parasite that feeds off life
Nurgle is life
...
Just the shitty parts of it.
hasty coral
Nurlge is a parasite that feeds off life
Technically the parasite IS also life no?
green loom
No
opaque coyote
The bacteria
dusky beacon
The latter has an active effect on people
If an 11 foot tall perfect form of a man with a literal golden aura told me to do something I'm gonna fuckin listen, psychic powers or not
opaque coyote
I always find that morbidly poetic
They also both resemble love as well.
Specifically Isha genuinely loves her children.
green loom
The chaos gods aren't full embodiments of things, they're side effects of souls and feed off certain things as we understand
hasty coral
The crazy Psyker in Darktide has a line about how technically disease CAN be considered the most primordial and divine form of life by misguided souls
opaque coyote
And wants them to be well.
hasty coral
The chaos gods aren't full embodiments of things, they're side effects of souls ...
Kinda yes
opaque coyote
Nurgle is an abusive grandfather.
hasty coral
They are connected the the goings ons of reality
opaque coyote
He literally gaslights and forces you to wallow in your misery
green loom
The crazy Psyker in Darktide has a line about how technically disease CAN be con...
The psyker is coincidentally very crazy
hasty coral
But they ARE the closest thing to the concept manifested
hasty coral
The psyker is coincidentally very crazy
But he has a point
Microbes ARE the most abundant life
Viruses
opaque coyote
One of the main ways he corrupts you is literally infecting you with several diseases. Preventing you from dying.
green loom
In any case he isn't life itself
arctic talon
I from what I understand most of the Castes are genetically adapted to their rol...
yes but an air caste could still be a strategist
green loom
He just feeds off it
opaque coyote
and then forcing you to accept.
arctic talon
but air caste are considered "worthless" under the Tau'va when it comes to ground tactics
hasty coral
But it’s the closest thing in 40k to it
green loom
A horrible perversion of it yeah
hasty coral
And it’s ironic how the goddess of life is being tormented by the closest thing to life itself
arctic talon
they're to stay in their spheres
opaque coyote
But it’s the closest thing in 40k to it
He's a reflection of the people that suffer from disease.
He is hopelessness and depression.
He is abuse.
hasty coral
Yes
The chaos gods are more conglomerates of suffering that have connections to things that happen in real space
green loom
And it’s ironic how the goddess of life is being tormented by the closest thing ...
Well, they do love their symbolism, so it's no shock he went out of his way to grab her
dusky beacon
same applies to Fire Warriors
You wouldn't ask a Fire Warrior to do your taxes, you get a Water Caste Tau to do that
hasty coral
Anyways
Rogue Trader is a fucking banger
arctic talon
idk if a fire caste was good at taxes I'd let them do it
green loom
They're the math people
dusky beacon
Damn
hasty coral
Anyone else play Rogue Trader yet?
arctic talon
finished it
dusky beacon
I was close
green loom
few playthroughs
arctic talon
four times
hasty coral
four times
Thoughts?
arctic talon
hasty coral
I really like it
green loom
Gameplay is fun, weaker narrative and scale compared to their previous Pathfinder games though
hasty coral
Gameplay is fun, weaker narrative and scale compared to their previous Pathfinde...
Yeah it’s not Baldur’s Gate
But it’s still very good
rose thorn
Rereading the gits rules, you can get away with skipping 1 of the 4 clans, so if you don’t like wolves or don’t need squigs you can skip them
Each phase affects 2 of the clans
dusky beacon
Water caste is diplomacy, propaganda, art, subterfuge
But my point stands, when you have people who are genetically adapted to a certain role, you would want them to stick to that role, you drive a nail with a hammer, not a saw
arctic talon
well
No
because they have actual useful info they can share
but they're never allowed to 99% of the time lol
A fire caste warrior's report on air movement may be disregarded by a earth caste data analyst as its outside of his sphere lol
dusky beacon
I can't see most T'au deviating from their Caste because they would suck at anything else
Ahh
arctic talon
is my point
its a huge point in the new Tau book
where a bunch of pathfinders are stuck in the worst counter insurgancy situation possible
and their reports are ignored as they're "outside of their sphere"
reporting on subterfuge and such and the incredibly valuable info they have is completely disregarded
and they're left to fend for themselves
and die in veitnam a jungle
dusky beacon
Gonna be honest I'm not sure if I like that, I've heard people say they like the T'au as the nieve underdogs in a brutal universe, but that just makes them look stupid if it's something very new
I could be wrong tho
arctic talon
That’s not a new thing
It’s part of tau culture
It’s a horrific flaw with the greater good
dusky beacon
I meant like something new GW added
arctic talon
Beyond all the other horrid things the greater good is
I mean it’s not new
This has been lore since 4e
Or 3e
That acting outside of your sphere is considered bad/shameful/should be ignored
dusky beacon
I mean being a Gue'vesa is still probably leagues better than being a regular Imperium citizen
arctic talon
I mean yeah
I’m not using that as a point though
No shit it’s prolly better to live under the Tau then be worked to death in a manufacotrum
Even if you’re going to get culturally genocided
dusky beacon
And aren't they making Farsight kinda a dick too now? Or am I completely criss crossed
arctic talon
And aren't they making Farsight kinda a dick too now? Or am I completely criss c...
No, they made him less of a dick in 5e
He used to be a massive tau supremacist lol
dusky beacon
Okay gotcha
I've been hearing that GW has been trying to make the T'au more and more evil
arctic talon
I've been hearing that GW has been trying to make the T'au more and more evil
They haven’t
Tau have always been this evil
Lol
People who say otherwise didn’t read their 3e codex
Which literally talks about re-education camps
Work will set you free
dusky beacon
I mean, to be fair, you can't really afford freeloaders in the 40k setting
Unfortunately
opaque coyote
People who say otherwise didn’t read their 3e codex
Ironically enough, the Etheral mind control kinda absolves them a little in a weird way?
You can say the T'au weren't fully in the right minds when they were building shit like re-education camps.
arctic talon
I mean, to be fair, you can't really afford freeloaders in the 40k setting
You know I’m saying they’re running literal death camps right
Like the Nazi ones
Except with political dissidents
arctic talon
I felt like the implication was there
opaque coyote
You said re-education
The crossed out "work will set you free" is from auschwitz
arctic talon
With the whole “work will set you free” thing
dusky beacon
Oh
opaque coyote
Auschwitz was also labeled as a re-education and work camp
With wonderful ""showers""
arctic talon
Either that or they’re used in earth caste experimentation
opaque coyote
hallow plover
With the whole “work will set you free” thing
Just like any 9-5 office job
opaque coyote
weapons testing
Although they probably use actual regular targets since they need workers more
opaque coyote
They’re just the lesser evil lol
There's still a chance you'll get sent to a Death camp
But one has less of a chance
and also actual food
arctic talon
Anyways did you know a bonding blade is in fact not a great melee weapon
opaque coyote
so
arctic talon
For fighting a Genestealer
Those fire warriors who read farsights tactics book certinaly found that out
Before they got “kisses”
dusky beacon
Like if you had to be anywhere in the 40k universe you would still probably want to be a Gue'vesa
opaque coyote
Anyways did you know a bonding blade is in fact not a great melee weapon
Ceremonial weapons aren't the best at killing
who knew
arctic talon
Like if you had to be anywhere in the 40k universe you would still probably want...
I think I’d rather blow my fucking brains out
opaque coyote
Like if you had to be anywhere in the 40k universe you would still probably want...
Or a Craftworld Eldar
Actually being serious btw. Minus the whole "Soul gets into eternal suffering after death"
Life is actually pretty chill in a craftworld
arctic talon
Also yeah living as a craftworlder is great
Unless you die without a soul stone or it’s broken
Or get kidnapped by drukhari
opaque coyote
If I get born as a human though I'd rather shoot myself
arctic talon
In which that case it’s about to be a horrible time
dusky beacon
Well if we don't have to still be humans the Orks are the only ones who are having a good time
opaque coyote
In which that case it’s about to be a horrible time
To be fair
The kidnapped by Drukhari applies to all races
Including the Drukhari
arctic talon
To be fair
The kidnapped by Drukhari applies to all races
Craftworld Eldar are especially valuable torture toys
Since most of them have pretty much never suffered
In any meaningful way
hallow plover
Obligatory t'au getting bullied
opaque coyote
Craftworld Eldar are especially valuable torture toys
"Gentlemen, synchronize your death watches"
arctic talon
And also they give a lot of emotional response
And their souls are big
Also if you ever get bored you can mutilate their soul stone and soul and turn it into a weapon
The possibilities are endless!
opaque coyote
Yeah in that case, then that would be bad
But still better than being a human, t'au, or even a drukhari
In general, not when you get captured by the deldar
spare osprey
Obligatory t'au getting bullied
Pregnant dreadnought
dusky beacon
If the T'au ever got rid of their AI i bet Gulliman would be open to working with them, seeing as how he's already reached out to that one Eldar who's name i forgot
opaque coyote
If the T'au ever got rid of their AI i bet Gulliman would be open to working wi...
Despite what the shippers say, he's barely tolerating them himself
arctic talon
Guilliman literally says he’s going to kill yvraine once their alliance is over
To yvraines face lol
opaque coyote
Guilliman literally says he’s going to kill yvraine once their alliance is over
In 40k standards though, that might as well be kissing
arctic talon
I think people are forgetting Guilliman is still like
A mega omnicidal xenophobic demigod
opaque coyote
I think people are forgetting Guilliman is still like
A conquerer who murdered billions
arctic talon
He’s killed trillions most likely
Lol
Billions is like a single planet
Getting genocided
Which happened a lot
opaque coyote
Just one who isn't like
Completely insane or a complete asshole
hallow plover
I think people are forgetting Guilliman is still like
People have no clue about any of the lore besides the facebook groups memes
opaque coyote
Or went to get the milk
arctic talon
Guilliman had a high compliance rate
He did a lot of killing
And talking
The whole “compliant or ash” motto
Is a great crusade thing lol
Either they’d surrender and join
opaque coyote
Guilliman had a high compliance rate
He is a conquerer at the end of the day
arctic talon
Or the imperium would slaughter them
The early blood angels had a no quarter policy
opaque coyote
But hey, better than somebody like fucking Angron
arctic talon
Even if a world surrendered they would kill and enslave literally everyone
arctic talon
But hey, better than somebody like fucking Angron
The world eaters still accepted surrenders
Tbf
opaque coyote
The world eaters still accepted surrenders
Although I doubt they were cognizant enough to recognize them
arctic talon
Tbf
opaque coyote
At least 50% of the time
arctic talon
That’s what the officers in orbit are for
People always vastly overestimate Guillimans like
Love for xenos
He still hates them
He just hates Craftworld Eldar the least because they revived him and hate chaos
opaque coyote
He still hates them
He just doesn't let it get in the way.
If that makes any sense.
dusky beacon
Gulliman is smart enough and reasonable enough to understand there are bigger problems
opaque coyote
He still wants to murder their entire family, but he can definitely put it off if a Daemon rift suddenly opens.
arctic talon
Gulliman is smart enough and reasonable enough to understand there are bigger pr...
He wouldn’t ally with the Tau
Is my point
He’d just not fight them
dusky beacon
Yeah I get it now
arctic talon
They’re a problem to kill later
opaque coyote
They’re a problem to kill later
He's got a massive warp rift to fix now
Still better than that one moment where the Eldar were like
dusky beacon
Like if some Nids show up in a battle he would tell the T'au that they have a bigger problem and can kill each other later
opaque coyote
"Can we stop killing each other for one second so that I can do something that could potentially disable slaanesh for life?"
"No."
xenocide
arctic talon
Like if some Nids show up in a battle he would tell the T'au that they have a bi...
Yes
arctic talon
Kill them all probably
vagrant fox
Probably, maybe with exterminatus
hasty coral
I don’t understand though
Are even the Primarchs THAT brainwashed against all Xeno life?
Like I find it hard to believe Guilliman would want to murder EVERY single T’au he sees
I know the Emperor wasn’t exactly a peaceful dude but
If Guilliman just wants to kill every single T’au he sees how are he and Angron different?
Would Guilliman spare the citizens?
arctic talon
I don’t understand though
Are even the Primarchs THAT brainwashed against all ...
It’s imperial policy to kill all xenos
And guilliman doesn’t like xenos either
vagrant fox
The galaxy belongs to humanity, everyone else is to be killed in due time. I vaguely recall the Tau being slated for extermination in their stoneage before warp storms prevented access to them
Not even a vague threat to the Imperium and they'd still have been killed if possible
late osprey
I know the Emperor wasn’t exactly a peaceful dude but
If Guilliman just wants ...
the difference is that guilliman doesn't exterminate humans
but they are all monstrous to xenos
even vulkan believes in mass-murdering xenos children
arctic talon
the difference is that guilliman doesn't exterminate humans
Well he does
He just doesn’t do it like
As much as Angron did
arctic talon
Yeah
late osprey
but even vulkan goes out of his way to annihilate as many defenceless xenos children as he can
sly ivy
but even vulkan goes out of his way to annihilate as many defenceless xenos chil...
Is this a joke
crystal forum
this goosebumps show has awful acting
late osprey
Is this a joke
its only slightly hyperbolic
the real instance is him using a flamethrower to burn eldar children to death in a book
late osprey
cato sicarius also shoots a tau woman civilian in the face
sly ivy
It is not a good book but have you read it
?
crystal forum
did you guys see the new goosebumps show
i can't wait for them to remake are you afraid of the dark and mess up the vibes
sly ivy
i can't wait for them to remake are you afraid of the dark and mess up the vibes
Jesus that show existed didn’t it
Wow
crystal forum
can i even rewatch that shit these days? im pretty sure that show is why im so paranoid these days
crystal forum
Jesus that show existed didn’t it
it's the canadian goosebumps and honestly i feel like it's 1000% better
damn it got 10 seasons that's crazy
i only remember like 4 episodes
did any of you see the taxi driver guy episode
i think jontron made a video about it
hasty coral
And guilliman doesn’t like xenos either
Wow so that whole “wow you guys are religious zealots, how insane!”
Is pretty fucking ironic considering he is pro genocide?
arctic talon
Wow so that whole “wow you guys are religious zealots, how insane!”
Is pretty f...
Tbf he was pro genocide of all religous people
he obviously can't do that now
hasty coral
I suddenly hate Guilliman now
arctic talon
but he was busy rounding up and massacring people before he got shanked
tbf all the primarchs except Lorgar
were running Religon extermination campaigns
Lorger was converting people to the Emperor's faith
The thing is total eradication of a religion is extremely hard
hasty coral
“Oh wow this Guilliman guy seems super reasonable!”
“Oh wow 12 Eldar infants I wonder what Guilliman will d-”
arctic talon
so usually they just killed everyone to make sure it was stamped out
hasty coral
arctic talon
“Oh wow this Guilliman guy seems super reasonable!”
“Oh wow 12 Eldar infants I ...
actually that would imply the Imperium even imprisoned people on non compliant planets
they just fucking killed everyone
hasty coral
“Imagine killing people due to religious beliefs, cringe”
“OH BOY MORE INFANTS TO MURDER!”
green loom
“Oh wow this Guilliman guy seems super reasonable!”
“Oh wow 12 Eldar infants I ...
Yeah getting through the meme lense is realizing even the good imperials are still brutal, awful, genocidal space nazis
vagrant fox
The primarchs were warcrime machines, each one of them. It's great
hasty coral
But like how can you be THAT delusional?
sly ivy
the real instance is him using a flamethrower to burn eldar children to death in...
Anyway guessing you haven’t read but the scene is rather different. Not that I’m not in favor of all space marines’ being monsters
green loom
The imperium at its "golden age" during the great crusade wasn't ANY better than it is now
sly ivy
But it’s in extremis and he ptsd regrets it forever
vagrant fox
But like how can you be THAT delusional?
Delusional about what
green loom
But it’s in extremis and he ptsd regrets it forever
I'm sure it'll unkill the countless billions he butchered in their galactic extermination crusade!
hasty coral
Delusional about what
Killing over religion bad
Killing infants because different race good!
Like HELLO?!
vagrant fox
They're not humans, it's like squashing bugs it's fine
hasty coral
I’m sorry but you can’t write a character as super logical and sane
And then put “oh but yeah he kills alien babies”
green loom
Killing over religion bad
Killing infants because different race good!
The Imperial Truth(that the fandom praises a lot) promotes the destruction of all religions to an ironically religious degree
arctic talon
The imperium at its "golden age" during the great crusade wasn't ANY better than...
it was marginally better
I mean Guillima isn't sane
like explictly tbh
green loom
Yes
green loom
Aren't human, for one
sly ivy
None of the primarchs really are
R u
storm jungle
all are fucking omnicidal war machines
Yeah also remember even Guilliman says himself a genocidal warlord
sly ivy
all are fucking omnicidal war machines
Sounds kinda human tbh
storm jungle
and very much says as much to his rogue trader galpal
hasty coral
and very much says as much to his rogue trader galpal
The rogue trader in question:
Dude wtf
storm jungle
To be fair
vagrant fox
Nah it's gucci
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824
He says it in the context of why isnt she afraid of him
green loom
Yeah she is part of probably the single most privileged group in the entire imperium
sly ivy
It’s cute that transhumans keep little pet Homo sapiens for quaint conversation
storm jungle
Yeah she is part of probably the single most privileged group in the entire impe...
^
hasty coral
So what Guilliman is genocidal because his dad told him to be?
hasty coral
Wow
green loom
Maybe tied with though probably exceeding navigators since they outright just have a right to their own private empires
hasty coral
Real free thinker
storm jungle
how do you think fascists come to be in general
sly ivy
Well in the case of primarchs transdimensional eldritch half-daemon transhumans
And that’s the loyalists
hasty coral
Is there a SINGLE sane Primarch?!
green loom
Yeah, Kurze
storm jungle
Corax probably
green loom
He had the sense to off himself
hasty coral
He had the sense to off himself
Based
sly ivy
Yeah, Kurze
Based lmao
storm jungle
he literally opposes tyrants yet works for the Imperium because "ends justify the means"
arctic talon
he literally opposes tyrants yet works for the Imperium because "ends justify th...
But he does have that yeah
The raven guard would have been declared traitor
for some of the shit they've pulled if they weren't first founding lol
they like to murder planetary govenors
storm jungle
Raven Guard "realistically" would have gone renegade if they werent a pre-established tabletop legion
but also yeah lmao
hasty coral
Like your telling me NO one questions
“Hey guys why are we burning infants alive?”
vagrant fox
Even Sanguinius who was so cool and human would rock up to human non Imperial planets, demand surrendering or he would have every single person on the planet killed. Imagine the lengths he would go to kill aliens
sly ivy
it’s true kurze literally was so fucking sad all the time because his “gift” was a reader’s-eye view of the setting
arctic talon
sorry I mean
sly ivy
Lmao
arctic talon
its a special military operation
storm jungle
Even Sanguinius who was so cool and human would rock up to human non Imperial pl...
I HATE
how much people dickride sanguinius in the fandom
"oh he was the best of us"
arctic talon
Sanguinius literally laughed
arctic talon
when he killed a bunch of people
who asked the imperium to
"please leave us alone"
vagrant fox
I love him, my favourite war criminal
hasty coral
Even Sanguinius who was so cool and human would rock up to human non Imperial pl...
Ok but weren’t some of these Primarchs raised by good parents?
sly ivy
how much people dickride sanguinius in the fandom
All the fans walkin around w those curly golden pubes on their shirts
vagrant fox
Guilliman
hasty coral
Or did they just have genocide in their genes
arctic talon
Konor was genocidal
storm jungle
Ok but weren’t some of these Primarchs raised by good parents?
Good parents dont matter, you are told to conquer the galaxy and will do it.
arctic talon
in like the traditional like
Roman sense
everyone else is inferior and should be like brought into the fold
crystal forum
did sanguinius drink blood
sly ivy
Or did they just have genocide in their genes
Their souls are like… not fully human
crystal forum
did he have any vampire like qualities
hasty coral
Good parents dont matter, you are told to conquer the galaxy and will do it.
Holy SHIT Angron was right
spare osprey
Ok but weren’t some of these Primarchs raised by good parents?
yeah Luther was a PERFECT father/brother
sly ivy
They’re fabricated gods
vagrant fox
Some aliens fucked over humanity during the long night, kill them all son
sly ivy
Not unlike the eldar gods
hasty coral
Angron would have actually been the only good person without the nails
crystal forum
why are blood angels so vampire if sang wasn't a vamp
hasty coral
What the FUCK
storm jungle
Some aliens fucked over humanity during the long night, kill them all son
its germany's Manifest Destiny essentially yeah
green loom
Fulgrim had nice parents
hasty coral
Fulgrim had nice parents
Yeah but Fulgrim is a bitch
green loom
Some aliens fucked over humanity during the long night, kill them all son
Don't forget, no quarter given to anyone that doesn't want to "rejoin"
arctic talon
he tried to "preserve" culture
you know
after he finishes genociding them
what a gentleman
green loom
Que sangy going to a planet and "okay, send them an offer and if they refuse blow up the planet"
sly ivy
Based