40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

💀

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lol-headache-cute-funny-gif-26526333

[rose thorn]

Trying to resist rewriting my whole stormhost

[arctic talon]

Resist the urge

[vagrant fox]

Do not be afraid to throw it all away

But only if you must

[keen nova]

We can get close...quite close...

Lads, I honestly really appericate the mobian 6th for being such a well armed traitor guard force. I mean, they were the pride of their system before they fell. Being a guard regiment is one thing, but one that becomes renown is another.

Like our vraxians above, they weren't really on the level of guard troopers but being on the defensive mad fighting them a bitch dude. So its actually understandable that the dregs + Scabs are holding us off.

Also, has anyone commented on that fact that the 53 steelheads and our blue variant or the armor mirror the 6th scabs?

I understand that the 21st were in the same system but from a water world so they were different but that's actually awesome that we can see the same equipment in loyalist hands. Its exactly what I want with vraxian equipment-which we also have! their autoguns that is...hey, speaking of which, why do these guys use AG and not lasguns? They spend all their dockets on their fancy flak armor?

[green loom]

You get autogun options in the stock guard kit

That and probably aesthetics/bodyguard convenience

[green loom]

It is outright just what the scabs wear but pre chaos

[keen nova]

Yeah and I love that!

[keen nova]

I thought it was basiclly Lasguns>autoguns in lore? which is why its mostly PDF's that use AG? (and poorer guard regiments) Its even reflected in that of the Scabs/dregs

I would say that a maybe they perfect autoguns because they don't give away your position with every shot, (yes I know lasguns can get flash hiders) but the zealots version of their helmet mentions that they like to charge straight in. Buncha future Khornate beserkers this lot

[arctic talon]

Yeah it is. though autoguns have the upside of being able to use specialized ammo

Stuff like manstopper rounds

The Moebian 53rd may be using Specialized ammo

[keen nova]

I had not considered that 🤔

[arctic talon]

as it seems like they're an armored regiment judging by the fact they have a "knight commander"

so they have less infantry then a normal regiment

[keen nova]

53rd*

[arctic talon]

yeah sorry my bad

[keen nova]

I think I remember us joking about the 21st losing in the straight up fight we saw with wolfer arrival, that the fight would have been even if it was raining

Because ocean worlders lol

[arctic talon]

LOL

[keen nova]

The last remaining guardsmen front the 21st, surrounded by the 6th, when the air gets a little moist.

"Oh, you guys are fucked now!"

[winter vessel]

when i think about it, the 21st really are the punching bag in this game. their recon teams get obliterated, the 6th owns them in that trailer reintroducing Wolfer, even worse is that they turn into groaners from using blighted stimms.

and here comes the 53rd walking in through Tertium like they own the streets. the commissar saying this is her war to win

Dukane: "send in four platoons". Rannick: "send in four crackheads"

[median star]

so i see techmarines have like built in what look like bionics on their helmets do they just never take off their helmets or do they have like double bionics

or are they just special helmets that are form fit to go around the bionic when worn

[summer mural]

servo harnesses are cool

they make techmarines kinda pog in combat for the average space marine id assume

they attach promethium flamers and things to their servo harness arms

[keen nova]

Someone else defended them on here a while ago and there post was well writen. Fact is that the 21st are from a. Ocean world, that same firefight would have gone down fair differently in another enviorment. One thing to note is that the 21st wear lighter armor that normal guardsmen, on their oceanic homeworld, the sixth would run a serious risk of drowning with their heavier flak armor. Also camo schemes. There's more to this but this is from memory.

[soft thunder]

My headcannon is that the 21st don't have the backing to get a lot of the higher end gear like the 6th and 53rd do. Both the golden child regiments from their very powerful and prosperous homeworlds.

That doing a choice by them to not have heavier armor due to drowning risk is also an interesting arguement for why they might not choose to wear the high quality gear we see the 6th and 53rd wear.

Anyways, came here to ask if anyone know what's going on in the center of the galaxy? There's a giant warp space ink-strain in the center of the map that seems like it'd be a bigger deal than the eye of terror at this point.

probably wreaking havoc on the supermassive black hole(s) and star in the center of the galaxy. Seems kinda important

[plush mason]

the Votann live there iirc

[soft thunder]

Chaos votann

(I wish)

[arctic talon]

It fucking sucks, it’s basically the eye of terror 2

[arctic talon]

They don’t, they do live close to it though

[plush mason]

so thats why that one short story about the 2 Votann arguing mentions battling the chaos marines at the center of the galaxy then

[dusky beacon]

are there any FTL vessels that can be piloted by a single individual?

[opaque coyote]

So that's probably one of the reasons why they allied with a cult. More manpower.

...

Although it would be wild to fight like

A tank

Actually that sounds fun

Fighting against a baneblade

[dusk patrol]

Yeah, also some are so augmented they’ve stopped removing their helmets

[shadow plover]

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Holyfirethem (@holyfirethem.bsky.social)

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Bluesky · Jan 18, 2025, 1:10 AM

very much agree with this

[green loom]

I like the more pastel pink tbh

[median star]

why their heads long like that

cone head marines

[shadow plover]

more room for vile thoughts

[green loom]

Daemon juice

[dapper gyro]

Why would you judge such model with the demonstration* colours?

[green loom]

I mean they're just theorycrafting colour schemes I think

[storm jungle]

Its a common thing yeah

we are presented with a "official" look and it sometimes is offputting

[dapper gyro]

I go with model details more than the painter impression.

Maybe because I'm used to look at grey plastic presentations.

[shadow plover]

I know the models look good but the more saturated colours make them look better

[small grail]

i have idea

shud i gave emperor aeternum a missile a unibeam

[shell mason]

Been to busy on Marvel Rivals

[small grail]

IVE GOT 70 HOURS

im so locked in

[summer mural]

need lore

plz provide

has the imperium discovered the sw corner of the galaxy yet, where monks run around with lightsabers

[storm jungle]

they literally cannot leave the Milky Way

so no

next question

[summer mural]

oh they cant?

thats surprising

[storm jungle]

The astronomicon's light barely touches the borders of the milky way

[summer mural]

oh how come I never knew that, I thought they found like warp planets while getting lost in the warp that dont exist in the milky way

[storm jungle]

Lmao no

[summer mural]

like sicarius, that planet where lorgar hangs out

[storm jungle]

the Warp is like a completely different realm

[summer mural]

or the one where mortarion farts around

[storm jungle]

the other factions realistically have no want/need to explore beyond the Milky Way

all the objectives everyone have/want are in here

[summer mural]

is the warp a different dimension or realm

[storm jungle]

Yes to both.

[summer mural]

because is it like multiversal when you warp travel

[storm jungle]

Its a metaphysical endless reality where nothing really makes sense

[storm jungle]

Yes and no

[summer mural]

so you teleport into another dimension when you wanna warp jump, and then come out back to your own

[storm jungle]

like, authors like to pull the multiverse sometimes and other authors dont because as you can assume yourself it makes the setting itself feel small/pointless

time travel is also a thing in 40k but thankfully not too explored minus some other examples

because it always cheapens settings

[summer mural]

true

time travel is an endless rabbit hole

once you keep doing it it never stops

[storm jungle]

Yeah stuff like Endgame proved that

it just creates WAY too many convenient/dumb complications

[summer mural]

oh this guy died " why dont we just time travel and fix it like we did 50 episodes ago"

[storm jungle]

yep exactly lol

its the same with multiverses

okay theres other universes, why should I give a shit about this one then

etc

[queen laurel]

Don't you just love it when someone takes a magical rock from a timeline and suddenly another version of me got eaten by Godzilla

[summer mural]

so the planets in the warp where the daemon primarchs tend to live are in a different dimension from the chaos realms? like nurgles garden etc

[storm jungle]

They are all in the Warp

from there its just "yes" to any question because the Warp itself is not suppose to make sense as a realm itself

[summer mural]

right

it defies logic

[storm jungle]

Yeah its perfect for novel confusionism

[summer mural]

you can go for a pleasant walk on your warp infested planet and end up in khornes realm

[storm jungle]

like you can walk the garden of nurgle for a thousand years and never find its end but some Death Guard ship docked there can do some sidequest and leave in like a "week"s time

[storm jungle]

also this too yeah

its literally "lol idk"

[summer mural]

chaosgate was funny that way

when draigo and a bunch of grey knights go to the actual garden

by following a daemons soul or some shit

then the squad of grey knights decide to stay with draigo in the warp and are presumably all dead by now, except draigo ofc

[storm jungle]

Yeah the best way to explain it is it works in the whims of the story lol. In the game you gotta go and get this shit done, but if it was some other person writing the thing for a codex they would say some wild shit like "Oh this journey took them a DECADE"

Its loose rules-wise like with most things Chaos to allow writers room/freedom for narrative stuff

[queen laurel]

that's why warp travel is also funny as hell

it goes well more times than not but sometimes

[summer mural]

warp travel sounds kinda trippy to be honest

[queen laurel]

you guys just jumped and suddenly 1 billion years just passed

[storm jungle]

It is tbh

the darktide opening cinematic does a good job of showing it

[summer mural]

like you can be warp teleporting and look out the window and see floating daemon heads and sparkling lights and shit

[queen laurel]

and that was considered successful

only a few die and went insane

well few relatively speaking

[summer mural]

space hulks are very nice too as a concept

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

its got nice inherent grimdark mystery bult into it

the imperium architecture in space hulks only adds to the thing

like the alien movies are creepy enough, just imagine with giant abandoned space cathedrals

[storm jungle]

They are also perfect for adventure material

like

"Hey guys I need an adventure for our squad what or where can we go?"

spacehulk pops out of the Warp

"Oh hey! It has some mcguffin/relics we need conveniently inside!"

[queen laurel]

how about a carcass of rotting metal and a forgotten age

[storm jungle]

Like i said, very convenient

[queen laurel]

that is the motto of warhammer very convenient

How do we stop this giant super demon that can level an entire city with a punch how about this conveniently placed super weapon behind us

[summer mural]

also it occurs to me the techpriest characters tend to be extremely based and highly competent usually

from lunete to hadron to cawl

[storm jungle]

Kinda. It depends.

The people you are talking about are halfway sensible.

Like any organisation its never a concrete basis.

[queen laurel]

Brutal cunning moment

[storm jungle]

Admech is an organisation compromising humans across the entire galaxy all with differing personalities and goals

a large chunk of the admech is absolutely rotted

[summer mural]

well

kelbor hal could use more representation as a dark mechanicum leader

he just kinda founded the thing and then left

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats kind of a known thing

he literally does nothing for a good chunk of 30k lol

he just appeared in the ending of the Siege books prologue and its pretty funny as hes just fucking around in his sanctum before the amount of chaos influence-corruption makes him screech

Im sure we'll find out what happens to him eventually post-Siege

[summer mural]

ah yes

the dark king

I was glad I forgot about that

that reminds of the gold king thing now, which is suspicious valdor theory

[storm jungle]

Its a nice concept

but uhh we'll see in 10 years or more IRL if its ever re-visited

👩‍🦼‍➡️

[summer mural]

its good that the dark mechanicus has some tangible reasons to fall apart from the emperor is not the avatar of the omnissiah

the emperor is not the avatar of the omnissiah, so we now are going to provide tech to all the followers of the chaos gods so we can kill everyone

admittedly, chaos titans being a thing is awesome

[storm jungle]

Its a mix of things since darkmech beliefs are about as mixed as the actual admech

[summer mural]

oh nice

also vashtorr is nice insofar as hes a tech based character

although, my favourite about 30k has to be the absolutely gigachad levels of badass first captains

savitar is autistic, but hes still kind of a beast

so is sigismund

and garro

and loken

raldoron

[rose thorn]

GRAHHH I HAVE TO, MINE IS CURRENTLY JUST WORSE ASTRAL TEMPLARS

[shell mason]

what's your level?

on some real shit

[small grail]

34

or 32

[shell mason]

29

may have leveled up i need to check

[small grail]

im in silver

ranked is so fun but competitive at the same time

[shell mason]

silver 2

[small grail]

sdilver 3

pain

[shell mason]

pain

who you main?

[small grail]

adam warlock and groot

i aim to acheive pro warlock

what abt u

[shell mason]

Bucky, Venom, Punisher, trying to do magik

[small grail]

yes

[shell mason]

Im pretty good with bucky

[small grail]

u get the best feelings when u pull of a res with warflock

u will feel like him

[shell mason]

yeah?

[crystal forum]

why do space marines enjoy spitting on eachother so much

[dusk patrol]

I’m gonna enjoy spitting on your broken body after I get my hands on you

[storm jungle]

Astartuah

[soft thunder]

Anyone know if the tzaangors turning humans into more tzaangors is only an AOS thing or 40k/old world as well?

[storm jungle]

Both.

Beastmen in all settings come from mutated humans

daemonic-esque rules are also just kinda universal across all warhammer settings

[queen laurel]

or natural born

[storm jungle]

that too yeah

female beastmen need jobs after all

[soft thunder]

ya figured most if not all or natural born, but the tzaangor shamans were the only one explicitaley mentioned as bolstering their ranks by casting mutation spells on humans to progigate

[storm jungle]

Yeah its suppose to be like an ironic thing

since beastmen originate from beastmen parents or humans

[spring cairn]

I killed them all, not just the beastmen, but the beastwomen and beastchildren too

[rose thorn]

Shout out to when tzeentch cursed a shitload of people to turn into tzaangors in AOS somehow

[crystal forum]

beastman is my stage name

[rose thorn]

My stage name is Nagash supreme lord of the undead

[queen laurel]

My stage name is Gordrakk the Fist of Gork

[summer mural]

My stage name is Anathema Skywalker ~~ the true name of the emperor~~

also, apparently valdors spear is so busted, when it strikes someone it grants valdor insight into their character and history , including what their faction gets upto and their individual motivations

also, I like the custodes more now because their contentions kinda make sense when it comes to other transhuman subjects of the emperor

like if you were around before the heresy and are still around, you kinda see the space marine creation and you can now tell them " Loyal? his angels? you know like half of you are literally traitors"

" you see any traitorous custodes running around? do you?"

[dusk patrol]

Yeah he and Russ got twin spears which did weird stuff, Valdor gets a bit of knowledge from whatever he kills with his

[summer mural]

yeah poor guy cut abaddon and saw the next 10, 000 years of imperium failure into the future and got depressed

[dusk patrol]

Valdors is the Apollonian Spear, Russ’s is the Dionysian Spear

[summer mural]

i dont think russ still uses that does he

russ has a bunch of named weapons iirc

[dusk patrol]

It’s on Fenris currently with the chapter

He didn’t like it at the time but he sorta came around on it, he preferred swords and axes.

[summer mural]

your average skyrim player being like " ancient swords? gimme those dual wield nordic axes"

also valdor is interesting somewhat, I kinda forgot hes basically got the same imperium changing potential as malcador

[soft thunder]

Even some of the new custodes created after the heresy haven't turned traitor

[spare osprey]

Those first big lads before the primarchs arrived are just neat in general.

[summer mural]

well they make a good point when it comes to acknowledging astartes, since the custodians do point out that how awful it is to have traitorous primarchs and astartes, they tend to cause problems yknow what I mean

[spare osprey]

Malcador, Valdor and Hector

Very neat guys

[soft thunder]

which hector

Ordo Malleus?

[spare osprey]

Space marine Hector

First legion master of the first legion

[summer mural]

hector hammerhand

[spare osprey]

He was considered the emperors “left hand” before Horus arrived

[spare osprey]

Hector Thrane I think

Wore a Terran kings skull around his waist

[soft thunder]

Ya https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hector_Thrane

[spare osprey]

That’s the lad

[summer mural]

that was the joke yeah

[soft thunder]

Harry Hammerstorm

[summer mural]

the actual warhammer

and weirdly anti undead chaos specialist

not that hes only good at killing undead

[spare osprey]

I would hope with a hammer like that he’d be good at killing most things

[summer mural]

he is, hes a champion of khorne iirc

i think

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[summer mural]

idr

[soft thunder]

have yet to return to TWWH3 after many years, hope he's good though, sounds cool. Should watch Turin's tourneys again

[summer mural]

same

Il actually play it now when the games finished its update and dlc cycle

id rather play it when its totally 'finished' now

also harry the hammer is free dlc iirc, so you can try him whenever

[soft thunder]

ye

[summer mural]

and yes, he can solo armies

[soft thunder]

makes the part of the trailer where he squares up w/ Vlad funnier. 'Finally a worthy opponent'

[summer mural]

lol

vlad straight up defeating him fair and square was so anticlimactic

[soft thunder]

what? I forgot about that part

[summer mural]

iirc, harry in the end times loses to vlad

vlad straight up kills him

[soft thunder]

ah, common End Times L

[summer mural]

end times

[celest dome]

Harald ? Undivided as far as we know

[summer mural]

yeah I checked

you are correct

the red outfit made me misremember

[queen laurel]

Is he one of those that has the aesthetics of like nailed of one of the gods for example khorne but he's actually an undivided fella

[celest dome]

Well he is just using red armours

Nothing more

[queen laurel]

What about the brass ball

That guy completely fits the blood god but apparently he's undivided

[celest dome]

Brass Bull ?

Toraux ?

[queen laurel]

Yes

Taurox

[summer mural]

harry is also kinda og, apparently one the og wh designers said sigmar was inspired by him

[celest dome]

Like all nearly other Beastmen, pledged, but unofficial

[summer mural]

he is the original warhammer after all, before ghal maraz and sigmar were introduced

[celest dome]

He is the original Hammer bearer

[summer mural]

taurox somehow has more personality than khazrak and morghur despite being a raging maniacal brass bull 24/7

and malagor

[queen laurel]

I will just keep assuming he's a khorne champion because he literally exemplifies two things khorne likes slaughter and brute strength

[summer mural]

well khorne also cursed/gifted him iirc

[soft thunder]

ya he killed/ate the emissary of khorne that was offering him a deal (think it was an unspecified daemon)

[celest dome]

Yes, there are also other BM which are basically pledged but never officially recognised

[summer mural]

cygors are cool

for beastmen

[queen laurel]

You mean like the exhibit the traits of like a certain god but they are like unofficially pledge

[summer mural]

also what is a cythai in aos

is it like a proto elf

[celest dome]

Ye, the God don't really care about them

[summer mural]

also fun fact

[queen laurel]

Yes

[summer mural]

mortarion isnt bald

[queen laurel]

They are now the sea elves

[summer mural]

one might assume he is since he wears that cowl, but he had full on emo long black hair

[queen laurel]

Aos has a lexi by the way

So if you want you can go there for a questions

[summer mural]

which by now is probably putrid long black hair

it would be such epic memery if dante finally died and the blood angels are like "alright, get his carcass in that dreadnought over there "

[summer mural]

whats that dreadnought like machine the marines ride and these marines arent the semi dead ones

like you can see their entire body visible on the center of the machine and their legs and arms are visible

[storm jungle]

you mean the invictor warsuit?

that smart people pretends doesnt exist

[summer mural]

I dunno, but I swear ive seem some gk in it

that thing doesnt look particularly..safe to be wearing

[storm jungle]

you mean this thing?

[summer mural]

yeah

that

[storm jungle]

yeah, huge meme model

[summer mural]

it looks safe now nvm

[storm jungle]

"safe"

[summer mural]

it makes me ask why they dont have dreads that non dead marines can pilot

[storm jungle]

Too costly

Also resource-wasteful

[summer mural]

seems like even the imperium and the mechanicus could figure that out

the dreadnought exists after all

if you can make primaris marines and primaris gear you can probably make a pilotable dreadnought

[storm jungle]

see above

theres more to producing warsuits besides "just make em"

also 40k is not a mecha-setting so thats another one

[summer mural]

i think ive never seen that thing before

[storm jungle]

Yeah most people pretend it doesnt exist

[summer mural]

looks a lil lego-ish

[sharp pollen]

is this a suit or a drednaught

drednaughty

[summer mural]

its a suit

[storm jungle]

warsuit

The Invictor Tactical Warsuit is a lightly armoured walker that is often found fighting alongside Vanguard Space Marines on recon missions. It is designed with sound-dampening materials, enabling the Warsuit to move at great speed with minimal noise output, in support of the the pilot's Vanguard brethren.

[summer mural]

non life support marines can pilot it

[queen laurel]

This empire has to to spread all of its resources to also make like what a billion types of weapons and multiple of its variations

The imperium waste is astounding

[summer mural]

well

[storm jungle]

but yeah uh

this thing hasnt been mentioned since like 2019

you can prob guess why

[summer mural]

the uber giant cathedrals with ostentatious interiors seem kinda..much

[queen laurel]

It looks like something that james cameron would put on avatar

[storm jungle]

the problem is the AP Suits are cooler

and make more sense lol

[queen laurel]

Oh 100%

It's actually quite realistic

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/rda-avatar-amp-suites-amp-suite-war-gif-24937677

[queen laurel]

One of my favorite suits of armor for real for real

[storm jungle]

same

[summer mural]

also, I didnt know centurion armor existed

[winter vessel]

Ah my favorite faction

HUMANITY

And great inspiration for the Titans in Titanfall

[storm jungle]

A lot of people also pretend it doesnt exist

[sly ivy]

Is this transformers what cars do they become

[winter vessel]

Forgot how chunky this armor was

[storm jungle]

doesnt look enough like a junkyard explosion to be one

[summer mural]

apparently unlike termie armor, centurion armor doesnt interface with their skintight black bodysuit thing

[queen laurel]

This also speaks ridiculousness to warhammer because a single brute can genuinely win against an amp suit

[winter vessel]

What about A Jaeger vs a Warlord class Titan

[summer mural]

so you just wear it as a giant shell

[storm jungle]

Jaegar would prob take it

a titan is kinda nothing without escorts

[summer mural]

Jaegers do kungfu and shit

[queen laurel]

Yeah and more often than not they will rely on their shields

[storm jungle]

the moment a jaeger starts running around it and grabs a titan its basically over lol

[queen laurel]

Without those things those are nothing more than just giant artillery platforms

That can be easily taken out by well placed artillery

[storm jungle]

its like that scene in Exodite

where all an eldar titan does to a massive warlord is like

run

[winter vessel]

Striker Eureka’s mobility and Cherno Alpha pounding the fuck out of a warlord Titan would be great

[storm jungle]

laser off one leg

topples

[summer mural]

jaegers are more like imperial knight levels of maneuverability but titan sized

[storm jungle]

They are bigger

and a lot more mobile

since they are more "humanoid"

[queen laurel]

Yeah i will say they will definitely lose to a warlord

[storm jungle]

Knightsare roughly the size of a big manor or telephone poles usually

[summer mural]

well,like I said, they probably can do kungfu and judo throws

[queen laurel]

Wait not warlord

Emperor

[winter vessel]

Crimson typhoon my beloved

[queen laurel]

They will definitely need a lot more fire power to bring down an emperor titan

[summer mural]

i dunno if a jaeger can tank a hit from an emperor titans cannon tbh

[umbral kraken]

toooooo bad pacific rim 2 sucked

[storm jungle]

pacific rim 2?

[umbral kraken]

best kaiju movies are monsterverse these days

[storm jungle]

there was never a sequel

[umbral kraken]

yes, it never existed, i know, i know

[winter vessel]

What you talking about 2

[summer mural]

true

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/pacific-rim-cherno-alpha-cherno-i-am-ready-im-ready-gif-21983105

[winter vessel]

Maybe a two on one?

[umbral kraken]

pacific rim vs godzilla x kong would be an insane movie. never to happen, of course

[summer mural]

they can get oneshot by an emperor titans multi melta or something

[summer mural]

saving this post for a few years down the road

when you regret it

[umbral kraken]

good regret to have cuz you end up with pacific rim vs gxk

prvgxk

[summer mural]

yes

that acronym

[queen laurel]

There was never a sequel to pacific rim

[storm jungle]

god this always gets me

[summer mural]

also what was the name of that gk powersuit and why dont people like it

[queen laurel]

Well yeah but like i'm sorry but godzilla right now is 394 ft tall

[winter vessel]

Titan crew: goes through sacred rituals just to get it to wake up. Jaeger pilots:

[queen laurel]

He is going to pick up a jaeger like it's a toy

[umbral kraken]

yeah i guess so, they're around 75 meters/246 feet

[summer mural]

jaegers dont have the kind of firepower to take down an emperor class titan or godzilla

[umbral kraken]

would need to be an experimental jaegar or some shit

[storm jungle]

god never fails to get me fucking hype

[summer mural]

well, if they survive long enough they can probably actually climb an emperor class titan and stab the cockpit or something

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/vh7RjES2BUY?si=7_0yRIGfpCqtrmIq also people kind of forget nowadays legendary godzilla could charge up with enough power to drill through the core of the earth

[summer mural]

such peak bullshit

[umbral kraken]

and he's even stronger now

[winter vessel]

A Titan may have its arsenal. But a jaeger has fingers, so they can flip em off with two giant mechanical hands

[queen laurel]

He will kill a group of Jaegers with a single atomic breath

[queen laurel]

That too

[summer mural]

godzilla in 40k though

its gonna eat so many nukes for snacks

and power up

and probably get corrupted by chaos too

[umbral kraken]

godzilla from minus one would also destroy the jaegers i suppose, though not in a melee fight im sure

[queen laurel]

Nah he doesn't do that

He would probably be try to adapt to the planet where you air drop him in

[summer mural]

hes gonna take one look at humanity in 40k and be like

"yeah fuck these guys"

[queen laurel]

Well the thing is they have a lot of things that they can throw at him to bring him down eventually

[umbral kraken]

godzilla gets into 40k, can somehow sense that the entire universe is fucked, and he spends the rest of his life charging up a giga beam to shoot at tera no matter how far away he is

[queen laurel]

He might be powerful yes but with enough guns and grinded down sacrificed men eventually he is going to die

[summer mural]

nurgle corrupted godzilla would be so dope

[queen laurel]

And worst case scenario they can always throw an exterminatus his way

[umbral kraken]

godzilla wont survive a planet being destroyed, probably

[summer mural]

I think he can survive exterminatus by going to the core of the planet

[queen laurel]

He survived the extension level event and being dropped from orbit but

I will say that's where i draw the line yeah

[summer mural]

doesnt exterminatus just destroy the surface

[umbral kraken]

even if he could survive it idk what he'd do in the middle of space

[winter vessel]

Godzilla’s seeing the state of 40k is gonna be like that family guy cutaway when he saw Haiti and went back into the ocean

[umbral kraken]

oh fuck. godzilla could totally absorb solar radiation and become spaceship godzilla

[summer mural]

its gonna be amazing when godzilla discovers the tyranids and decides to fight them all to compete as the alpha monster

[queen laurel]

Or the tyrannids adapt to his radioactive weaponry and absorb him

His powerful but with enough attacks and you know smart thinking you can bring him down

[summer mural]

well tyranids actually might have the best chance of killing him

[queen laurel]

And considering this is 40k there are a lot of things

That can definitely bring him down

Orbital bombardments from ships or

Literal artillery barrages

[summer mural]

well 3 titans can bring him down

[queen laurel]

Squads of titans

[queen laurel]

I would wager at least six

Remember his atomic breath can reach a planet's core

[summer mural]

its not like godzilla is immune to titans his sieze wielding reaper chainswords

[queen laurel]

And now

That thing is even more powerful because he evolved

[humble shoal]

Godzilla is not immune to a virus bomb

[queen laurel]

I'm not remembering it but like around 20 times the energy output

So yeah he's more powerful but you know he is still a creature that needs to breathe

[humble shoal]

One dreadnought can kill him

[queen laurel]

And considering how grindy the imperium is in war eventually they will bring him down

[summer mural]

but the imperiums not gonna deploy all those smart tactics, what the imperium is gonna do is deploy the death korps of krieg so we can watch them bayonet charge godzilla by the millions and die

[queen laurel]

They don't do that

[umbral kraken]

unless the virus can survive this sort of thing...https://youtu.be/5BxqahE0fu8?t=59

why is monsterverse so cool

[queen laurel]

Krieg shock assault infantry specialist and artillery

But they are also smart enough to not throw their lives willie milly

[umbral kraken]

if monsterverse had no human scenes they'd be so fuckign good

or if the human scenes were less transformers and more minus one

[summer mural]

minus one was pretty darn awesome

[queen laurel]

Yeah but monsterverse adopts godzilla and his non serious version while minus one is the serious version

Which works to be honest because he's just the type of character

He can fit any mold

Serious funny creepy

You name it

[summer mural]

yeah but id rather just rewatch minus one than any current monsterverse film personally

like kong with the infinity gauntlet is a nice meme, but its not fun watching that shit for 2 hours personally

[umbral kraken]

i think if you made a supercut of all the fight scenes of the monsterverse then it'd be pretty awesome

and worth watching similar to minus one

or any large cgi scene in general

[queen laurel]

Yeah but it's cool i don't need a reason for something to be cool

[humble shoal]

Assumedly virus bomb can survive that

[queen laurel]

If it's an exterminatus bombardment he will definitely die

Slowly die

But if it's a virus bomb i think he's going to be fine

His immune system is

Literally a radioactive reactor

[umbral kraken]

i think if the humans in monsterverse really wanted to they could kill godzilla anyway. 40k is even more advanced

they almost beat godzilla with mechagodzilla afterall

[queen laurel]

Have you seen mechagodzilla

[umbral kraken]

indeed

[queen laurel]

Though to be fair godzilla was tired when he was fighting him

[summer mural]

vulkan vs godzilla

[queen laurel]

If godzilla was fresh i think he would have had a better chance

Remember he just drilled through the hollow earth and fought kong

[umbral kraken]

we'll see when he goes against mecha ghidorah, one day

[summer mural]

do dreadnoughts have machine spirits

well ,nvm im sure they do actually

even a bolter has a machine spirit

[humble shoal]

Virus bomb eats the core of the planet.... which is a bit hotter than a nuclear reactor

[humble shoal]

They also have a human spirit

[summer mural]

more like a pile of meat spirit

no disrespect to my man rylanor

you the real hoomie

[humble shoal]

But yeah virus bombs are exterminatus

Or is there another type I dont know about

Like stage 1

[summer mural]

arent there exterminatus that only damage the surface of the planet and dont blow it up like a bomb

[queen laurel]

I did say that exterminatus will definitely at least end him or slowly kill him

[summer mural]

because Im sure people go down to the surface of planets that have been exterminatus'd

and its a dead world yes, but you can walk on it

still a planet

[humble shoal]

Assumedly the atomic kindnwpuld strengthen them

[arctic talon]

Yes

Rad scouring

[crisp heath]

a space marine

INSIDE

of a space marine

[summer mural]

yes

[outer wave]

Heh, gay

[summer mural]

apparently it doesnt bond to their black carapace

so they wear it like a shell

and any average sm can wear it

unlike termie armor

not that termies are hot shit, they die a lot

usually to hype up whomever they are fighting

but at least termies have missile launchers

thaats useful

oh damn

apparently chaplain dreadnoughts are mounted with loudspeakers

so you hear this metaliic half dead zealot chaplain screaming all over the battlefield

[sharp pollen]

been reading Eisenhord, and i noticed that Interrogator is like an inquisitorial student

and i thought, isnt Rannik behave a bit too sassy for a student?

[median star]

hes if i recall right at the end of being an interrogator

[queen laurel]

Well he is currently the acting inquisitor considering that grendel is mucking about somewhere

[median star]

i think atoma was supposed to be like hes last trial before moving up might be pulling this out of my ass

[winter vessel]

more so the assistant coach for a sport's team when the other main coach is absent for a practice day

[sharp pollen]

doesnt he just sit on his ass? i dont remember him doing something meaningful

[median star]

he shot the one person

[queen laurel]

He quite literally manages a good chunk of the operations everyone does

[sharp pollen]

oh yeah, he pointed out the impostor

[spring cairn]

he's just here to say among us

[sharp pollen]

that was among us

i still cant beleive we have this cutscene

[sharp pollen]

like what

[queen laurel]

For example highly important surgical operations like the new mission

Where we had to prevent the ritual

He also manages a lot of relations with the imperial forces on the planet like commissar dukane

[sharp pollen]

so he himself went there to scout?

[queen laurel]

No he acts like a commander

[sharp pollen]

bruh

[median star]

i dont think hes allowed to leave the morningstar

untill grendyl gets back

[sharp pollen]

oh that makes sence

[queen laurel]

Yeah he also has to manage and deal with the mourningstar

And remember he's an interrogate so if he went out of his way to go to the planet the heretics are going to find the way to execute him

[sharp pollen]

and what does Explicator mean, is it like even less that Interrogator?

[median star]

because if on the off chance he does die that leaves the operation in either morrow,zola or dukanes hands and none of those are going to end well

[spring cairn]

Morrow would have this whole mess sorted in 10 minutes

[queen laurel]

Explicator - The first step of an Inquisitor in training, they learn how to extract information using torture under the direction of their mentor Inquisitor

[sharp pollen]

morrow is a 5000 true level veteran

[queen laurel]

Basically starting out their career on becoming an inquisitor

[median star]

morrow would be the best out of the three but i still dont think hed know how to handle a lot of the current situations especially how fast its deteriorating

[spring cairn]

he solos smh

[summer mural]

oh damn, kasrkin are gene coded to not be able to fire at high value friendly targets

[median star]

scions in general

[summer mural]

so like if a commissar crosses their sights they literally cant pull the trigger

thats so sad

truly grimdark

you cant even shoot your moronic commanding officer

although apparently its got huge benefits

because if they are escorting a vip and get surrounded they can fire freely without being scared of shooting the vip

[sacred ginkgo]

You can however set up A Series of Unfortunate Events and kill them that way

[summer mural]

true

[humble shoal]

There are ways to fix that (frag grenades in general direction)

[plush mason]

like how the fuck does that pilot linking shit work?

also the line "we made our own monsters" still goes hard

[sly ivy]

Just really looked at the back of the neurotyrant model and realized it's got two other brainy tyranids merged into it that's cool

[tough haven]

Science fuckery

[plush mason]

so jaeger means hunter

which explains why it is so popular for mechs/mech names/types

[queen laurel]

The basically linked up with each other and sync their minds together

That's literally it

Each one of them becomes a part of the brain like left hemisphere and right hemisphere

[plush mason]

i guess controlling something like that was too much for a single person

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why they develop the drift

[plush mason]

understandable from what i have seen of the jaegers

they move in ways that something that big just shouldnt be able too

[queen laurel]

Yeah think of like one pilot as like half a brain

And when they drift both pilots become a full brain

[tough haven]

Why dont they just get twins and kill one of them and put their soul in the mech like Eldar?

Way easier

[umbral kraken]

AI Jaegers will take the jobs of hardworking Jaeger pilots. what a world.

[arctic talon]

You’re not supposed to say the second part out loud smh

[storm jungle]

Evangelion ahh

[sly ivy]

Oh no we’re getting weird again

[tough haven]

Its ok, if anyone heard I'll just have a warlock wipe their short term memory

[arctic talon]

It’s the seer council doing that shit smh

[tough haven]

This is #40k-lore-chat we clown in this MF! Take your sensitive ass to #theorycrafting

[arctic talon]

Not some random warlock

[storm jungle]

Adam Warlock???

from MARVEL RIVALS?

[arctic talon]

Eldar Knights are piloted by twins or triplets Ect.

[tough haven]

BORN AGAIN!

[arctic talon]

one of the siblings needs to be dead

[queen laurel]

Ghost Drifting has a Slew of other issues

[arctic talon]

And that soul stone is slotted in

The other twin gets the fun job of piloting it

[sly ivy]

Wait so my copilot can see the last time I touched my pee pee

[tough haven]

Eh, the eldar seem to be ok...

[storm jungle]

yeah its lifted straight from evangelion

[arctic talon]

Yes

[tough haven]

Yes.

[storm jungle]

also its your sibling

so uh

make of that what you will

[arctic talon]

Is it not a twin?

[storm jungle]

you creepy fuck

[sly ivy]

[storm jungle]

well is a sibling not a twin

[arctic talon]

It’s your twin for the wraithknight

Wait

Wtf

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Did I consume meme lore

[tough haven]

Thought it HAD to be a twin?

[storm jungle]

Nah its a twin but like its literally still your sibling

[arctic talon]

Okay yeah

[sly ivy]

Evangelion is their moms isn’t it

[storm jungle]

Just my wording of it dont worry

[storm jungle]

Yep

[arctic talon]

In any case Ulthwe seer council making your twin mysteriously die

[tough haven]

and I think twins are like REALLY rare in eldar society

[storm jungle]

Eldar titans are heavily evangelion

[arctic talon]

After they say they need a wraithknight

[queen laurel]

no, for example i ghost drifted with like another pilot for a jaeger since i can only pilot it alone, congratulations now i have memories i never owned and think i'm a completely different person

[tough haven]

Imperial Knight pilots

[storm jungle]

no thats just being schizo IRL

what did the writers mean by this

[tough haven]

Actually its more like DID

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/schizo-cat-the-voices-gif-25415230

[tough haven]

I actually really like tau mech designs, I like how they look like bots from Total Annihilation

[arctic talon]

Imperial knights you get your ancestors yelling at you instead of your sibling

Lol

[storm jungle]

Im a sucker for that boxy look, I blame Metal Gear lol

[queen laurel]

A known anomaly after Drifting is called "Ghost Drifting", as confirmed by the likes of Dr. Caitlin Lightcap herself. "Ghost Drifting" is said to be unanticipated consequence of the Neural Handshake. Pilots are said to find that their link remains slightly active after they've been disconnected from the hardware.[12]

Pilots who Drift with one another long enough begin to adopt certain character traits of their partners, but still retain their own core personalities and behaviors.[13] They also have an uncanny way of predicting the thoughts or feelings of their partners without actually expressing them through words. As an example of this, Crimson Typhoon's pilots, the Wei Tang Brothers, displayed uncanny synchronicity between each other while playing basketball together and were also able to easily predict each other's moves before they actually occurred.

[arctic talon]

Tau mechs go hard

[storm jungle]

bruh pacific rim lore???

[queen laurel]

this is just one of the side effects of drifting normally by the way

[storm jungle]

I love mecha which is like

box with massive WMD gun on it

[queen laurel]

that's why the pilots of crimson typhoon are uncannily coordinated

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/26/XV95_Ghostkeel.png/revision/latest?cb=20151028215103

[arctic talon]

Armored core 5

[storm jungle]

ew no

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Mmmmm metal gear

[storm jungle]

Cant be...

I legit love these things though

like holy fuck

whatever this thing is pointing at is dead

[queen laurel]

there's two types of giant robot enjoyers

[arctic talon]

TAUNAR SUPREMACY SUIT RAAAAAAH

[storm jungle]

I hate the taunar because it always reminds me of that Imperial Armor issue we never got due to Bligh dying

sigh

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure its only art image is from that cancelled thing as well lol

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-armored-core-6-armored-core-vi-ac-ac6-gif-3421801719789836237

[arctic talon]

Rip fires of cyraxus

[storm jungle]

yep

that one

[arctic talon]

Yep

I’m sad fires of cyraxus never came out

For selfish reasons

Tbh

[queen laurel]

the taunar is the largest tau warsuit right

[storm jungle]

Same

like

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Imperial Armor is legit timeless

[arctic talon]

Well

[storm jungle]

theres a reason Vraks is talked about literally a decade later

lol

[plush mason]

i am such a massive sucker for moving parts like that head part in AC6

[arctic talon]

I think

Yeah it’s the taunar

It’s meant to take out imperial knights in one shot

[plush mason]

i just love it when you can see the transformation from fuck around to find out mode lol

[arctic talon]

Or kill titans

[queen laurel]

yeah kill anything from imperial knights or above

[plush mason]

so those weapons can punch threw a void shield?

[arctic talon]

Break it and then kill the titan

[rose thorn]

despite bieng a riff on like, mecha stuff i feel like the Tau being aliens make them pretty unqiue compared ot them

nbut also the only mech contant ive consumed is battletech

[arctic talon]

Western mecha

[dapper gyro]

Transformers are alien mecha...

[plush mason]

ngl armored core feels like a hybrid of western and eastern mecha, all the more reason i am shocked i never heard of it before 6

[outer wave]

Add Battltech to that list because it doesnt really fit into the Pacific Rim kind of western mecha

[dapper gyro]

I was betting on Armored Core 6 during TGA show for 3 years before it finally got the trailer.

[rose thorn]

true

[arctic talon]

It’s def eastern mecha for all the gens except 5

With how fast armored cores are

[plush mason]

from what i have seen mot of them where fairly slow

[arctic talon]

Gen 1 to 3 are slower then 6 but constrained by the time period

They’re fast compared to everything else in game

[plush mason]

true

[arctic talon]

Gen 4 is literal meth

[dapper gyro]

Core 4 is godlike.

[arctic talon]

Gen 5 is faster then gen 1-3 but is stylized as much slower

And bulkier

[plush mason]

afaik the NEXT of 4 where literally gods next to the average armored core

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dapper gyro]

Core 5 mech are the smallest of the series though.

[arctic talon]

theres normal ACs as fodder enemies

in AC4

and FA

[umbral kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/asuka-bark-yap-gif-1854879270727789514

[arctic talon]

mhm but they can walljump!

Which is fun

[plush mason]

yeah the NEXT made the ACs little more than MTs lol

[arctic talon]

armored core 6 had walljumping in code

funnily enough

unclear if its leftover bits from AC5 or if they were actually planning on intergrating walljumping

[plush mason]

how do walljump with tank treads?

[arctic talon]

You didn't

[dapper gyro]

Core 4 to 6 used the same engine from Demon Souls to Elden Ring.

[arctic talon]

it was for legs only

And you had better wall jump with reverse jointed legs

[dapper gyro]

I believe people found some soul game leftover in AC6 files.

I almost 100% AC6, but got bored trying to get S rank in all missions.

[arctic talon]

ngl

some of them are a PITA

[plush mason]

still hoping for a DLC

[arctic talon]

prolly happening

its inevitible with how Fromsoft historically has done armored core releases

[plush mason]

true

[arctic talon]

Either that or we get Armored Core 6 2

[dapper gyro]

Nah

4 has 4A, 5 has Vday.

[plush mason]

plus the head director said he is planning to shift his focus to armored core and leave the souls games to the other team leads iirc

[arctic talon]

thats what I meant

[dapper gyro]

Only Core 1 and 2 are direct sequence.

[arctic talon]

We're getting Armored core 6 sequal

in the same vein as VD and 4A

[dapper gyro]

AC from 4 to 6 will absolutely destroy about any mech in WH40k. You can't change my mind about it.

[arctic talon]

I LOVE KOJIMA PARTICLES

[dapper gyro]

Moon Light blade

Appear in ALL Armored Core games.

[arctic talon]

ngl I love the sfx of the Coral weaponry

in AC6

the like "scream" sound they make

[dapper gyro]

In fact, I know about the Moon Light blade from Armored Core series.

[tough haven]

I’ve wondered if it’s worth getting AC

[dapper gyro]

Assassin Creed or Armored Core?

[rose thorn]

is the difference between western adn eastern mecha just if capitalism is a factor?

[arctic talon]

No

Western Mecha is like

genreally mechs are slower, less human shaped or more brutalist looking

[umbral kraken]

Asian stuff is eastern

[rose thorn]

i was half joking tbh

[umbral kraken]

is transformers western mecha

[arctic talon]

Eastern mecha is more human shaped, faster, ect.

[queen laurel]

so like imperial knights

[tough haven]

Armored core

[queen laurel]

or is that different

[humble shoal]

where does spiderman fall on this list?

[arctic talon]

not explictly nowadays

[umbral kraken]

I see i see

[dapper gyro]

Go with Core 6, it is easier to follow and more beginner friendly.

[arctic talon]

you can have a western animator/game producer/artist ect. do eastern mecha stuff

like I.E Metal Gear is western mecha(for the Metal Gears)

but the developer is obviously Konami

which is in Japan lol

[humble shoal]

Transformers is based off of Supaidaman which is based on Spiderman

[queen laurel]

leopardon ia a tokusatsu mecha

so basically like a megazord

[dapper gyro]

Most other ACore games are in completely different timelines, so it doesn't matter that much unless you really want to dig in it. They are also insanely more difficult.

[humble shoal]

which is neither gundam or pacific rim

[arctic talon]

play AC4

go into debt

die

[humble shoal]

therefore I suppose a third categoruy

[arctic talon]

Pacific Rim is like

[umbral kraken]

hmmm. aren't the metal gears created by america or Russia or thereabouts in metal gear?

[humble shoal]

Ultraman/ultraman ripoffs

[arctic talon]

I think?

I don't remember

[opaque coyote]

I think Gundam are ironically a mix between the two

Like

[arctic talon]

Gundam are literally eastern mecha

what

are you insane

[opaque coyote]

In terms of visual styles mainly.

Blocky but fast

[humble shoal]

best zord is the suv zord

[opaque coyote]

And technically Transformers is Eastern because they were created in Japan first

[dapper gyro]

Metal gears are the result of the arm race. Made by many countries.

[opaque coyote]

Specifically both the toyline and G1 cartoon

[arctic talon]

Transformers isnt' even mecha

arguably

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

considering they aren't controlled by anything

[humble shoal]

yeah mecha implies a pilot

[arctic talon]

its just a robot alien

[queen laurel]

yeah like what aren't they literally living creatures of their own

[arctic talon]

Gundam is def Eastern Mecha

[queen laurel]

why are you calling them a mecha

[arctic talon]

all the designs are way too humanoid

to be western mecha

[humble shoal]

mecha is a robo suit driven by a pilot

[opaque coyote]

Technically you could say their spark but that's the same as "we are controlled by our brains".

[arctic talon]

Pacific Rim doesn't fall neatly into classification due to visual design but they work like western styled mechs

[humble shoal]

the best mecha anime is infinite stratos

[arctic talon]

so whatever

[dapper gyro]

Zaku really stand out though.

[humble shoal]

[arctic talon]

its cool

[queen laurel]

I know that but like I'm asking why do people call transformers mecha

[arctic talon]

Big robot punch big monster

[opaque coyote]

Giant robots fighting each other

Cool

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gipsy-danger-walk-in-the-rain-jaeger-pacific-rim-gif-16632271

Cinema

[humble shoal]

cuz robots I guess

[opaque coyote]

Giant robots fighting giant monsters

Also cool

Robots are cool

[dapper gyro]

Zaku has human shape, but they feel so much more militarized than the Gundam.

[queen laurel]

is titanfall mecha

[arctic talon]

yes

its eastern styled mecha

with a lot of western influence

mostly due to shape/functionality

[dapper gyro]

Halo has mecha.

[dapper gyro]

Doom, too.

[humble shoal]

I tried to look up ultraman fighting a 40k titan and this came up

[umbral kraken]

"In Japanese, "mecha" may refer to mobile machinery or vehicles (including aircraft) in general, piloted or otherwise."

[arctic talon]

llol

[umbral kraken]

is a transformer a mobile machinery? is it racist to say they are? hmmm

[humble shoal]

nah they are literally aliens

[umbral kraken]

yeah but they're also machine-like as all hell

[humble shoal]

just using the forms of vehicles like some biblically accurate angels

[opaque coyote]

Evangelion is obvious

Although wtf would the angels count as

[dapper gyro]

Transformer Armanda is one of the well known mecha show from Japan, lol.

[opaque coyote]

Monsters?

[arctic talon]

Monsters

[plush mason]

peak cinema was when they used the ship as a baseball bat

[queen laurel]

kaiju

i think they are literally just kaiju

[dapper gyro]

Saying transformers not "mecha" is really head definition.

[umbral kraken]

demons or something like that

[opaque coyote]

I mean they're also technically human.

[arctic talon]

idk I consider mecha piloted

lol

but that is a head definition yeah

[opaque coyote]

Also a good watch

[dapper gyro]

Armanda also has the best version of StarScream, the dude was loved.

[opaque coyote]

Probably one of the few ones that tried something different other than

"I betray Megatron"

[umbral kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-starscream-gif-23245614

woops didn't mean to post that but I did

dorito starscream

[opaque coyote]

Even then a lot forget to realize that during G1, Starscream was actually correct a lot of the times.

He constantly poked holes in Megatron's plans and was right like 95% of the time.

He probably would've been a much better leader. He was a fucking scientist.

Problem is that G1 Decepticons don't value intelligence that much

[humble shoal]

also megatron was a gat

he just waiting to go off

[opaque coyote]

"SCIENTIFIC GOOBLDEYGOOK"

[opaque coyote]

Kinda wish there was another attempt at an Armada style Starscream.

Would've been interesting

[dapper gyro]

SSSS.Gridman and its spin-off are also another mecha sentient series from Japan.

[opaque coyote]

Or just a slow descent.

Like a Starscream that is loyal at first

But after the constant abuse, millions of years of war, etc

He starts betraying Megatron because he genuinely believes that he can end the war if he just takes over.

Would be interesting to see

[dapper gyro]

The sequences of Armanda are so bad.

When wanted to make Scorpion into something like StarScream, but it got scrapped so quick and turned Scorpion into generic decepticon.

[opaque coyote]

Armada has the classic anime tropes.

Close up shocked faces, slow panning, etc.

But it was still a good show all things considered

G1 Starscream still lives rent free in my head though

https://youtu.be/w56X_U9TZ-s?si=HLUjiQlRxmJCD0pY

[dapper gyro]

I only like Armanda out of the trilogy.

[opaque coyote]

I just ignored everything after Armada tbh

[dapper gyro]

Demolishor* is another decepticon in Armanda that stopped waging war. But then right on the 2nd episode of the next show, dude is turned evil again.

[umbral kraken]

does it have based anime tropes...if you know what I mean

[dapper gyro]

It is so fucking stupid.

[opaque coyote]

God damn status quo resets

Hate em

Also hate the fact that they revived Starscream

AND ERASED HIS MEMORY

It's why I ignore everything after Armada

Armada Starscream had a good ending

[dapper gyro]

@arctic talon On the subject of Western and Eastern, what would Wraithknight be?

[opaque coyote]

Eastern due to how fucking alien it is

Body shape gives a bit of Evangelion vibes

I think the only "western" mechas are like

Imperial Knights and Titans

[dapper gyro]

I just think the separation of West and East styles stupid.

[opaque coyote]

It's a label

But things don't necessarily need to confirm exactly with labels

[humble shoal]

If they look like mechwarrior they western

[opaque coyote]

I generally think 40k has a lot of anime inspiration

I mean just

Just fucking look at it

[humble shoal]

you mean the tau?

[opaque coyote]

Just in general tbh

[humble shoal]

because they were definitely made to cater to gunpla

[opaque coyote]

Also the Eldar are more weeaboo than Tau

But the Tau are definitely asian inspired for sure

[humble shoal]

not really

they're high elve inspired

[opaque coyote]

As for in general.

I mean like

The big guns

[humble shoal]

which they stole from tolkien

[opaque coyote]

The big ass swords

[dapper gyro]

Shit is flying far with that.

[opaque coyote]

Big ass everything

[humble shoal]

not sure how to tell you this but anime did not invent big swords

[opaque coyote]

I know

[umbral kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/nekopara-azuki-nekopunch-gif-23241898

average warhammer cute girl: (she punches you because grim dark future)

[humble shoal]

would argue its more comic book inspired

if anything

[opaque coyote]

Definitely think Dune is what 40k took from the most

For

Obvious reasons

[humble shoal]

dune, dredd

alien

gundam

[dapper gyro]

Wraithknight is pretty much the scaled up version of normal eldar...

[humble shoal]

and is inferior to the dreadknight

[dapper gyro]

You forget latex and BDSM.

[opaque coyote]

EVAs were technically humans.

Yeah every monster and Mecha you see in Evangelion is biologically human

[humble shoal]

this is in both of those

[dapper gyro]

Ok, you got me.

[humble shoal]

[plush mason]

felinid

[opaque coyote]

Deldar moment

And all the whipping

[humble shoal]

one of the og writers was really into bdsm

[opaque coyote]

Like... The Imperium really likes whipping as a punishment

Lemme guess

[humble shoal]

probably the dude who wrote the imperial fist tramp stamps

[opaque coyote]

Ian Watson

[dapper gyro]

Im talking about the imperium itself...

[opaque coyote]

Yeah IK

But the Deldar are

Obviously bdsm incarnate

[humble shoal]

we said the same person

[opaque coyote]

[dapper gyro]

I fucking love the IF, but holy shit their love for pain...

[plush mason]

when ever i hear old hammer and kinky stuff my first thought is Ian Watson lol

[humble shoal]

which has apparently mostly been retconned

[opaque coyote]

I still have no idea how GW made the Deldar even more bdsm inspired than the Imperium

[opaque coyote]

MAGIC PAIN GLOVE.

Jokes aside it does make sense.

Like

The Imperium is literally a death cult

Suffering and martyrdom is their creed

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMV_H3Q8ubQ

[opaque coyote]

In general a lot of the Imperium basically believe in some crazy shit equivalent to like

Heaven's Gate if you think about it

[plush mason]

"i had to ensure my sons came to appreciate the codex the same way i had, after a week of excruciating torture"

[opaque coyote]

The funniest part is that a good portion of his Gene-Sons basically still refused even after the Iron Cage.

You may know them as the Black Templars

[plush mason]

does that say more about them or the book?

[opaque coyote]

Who still probably use their copies of the Codex as toilet paper.

But tbf Guilliman also kinda hated his book. He didn't mean for it to be taken THAT literally

Basically it was just meant as a basic guideline

Change and edit depending on preferences and such

[plush mason]

something most Ultramarines do afaik, its only the rookies that follow it to the letter