#40k-lore-chat
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Because Vashtor knows about TWIH
So wouldn’t Khrone as well?
Or is Vashtor just THAT old?
if they are a lore based soup faction, fucking follow teh lore and let us bring pheonix lords
if they are their own thing, give us anything
if they are just craft worlds, stop making an army with bad rules
Like DO the Chaos Gods know WHERE they came from?
Or like at least remember the warp before the warp?
like 2 of the pheonix lords are specifically bonded to the ynnari
I guess Slaanesh should have SOME idea
I just don’t like ynnari that much lore wise
At the very least
Is all
Yes
Their minds are usually a vortex of stuff, most daemons are very one dimensional beings, they can think for some stuff but we dont have a total depth of what their thoughts are like.
Greater/Special Daemons on the other hand think of a lot of stuff and yeah like the gods they know their place of birth.
gw doesnt either
i just like necromancer space pirate wizards
And the whole interaction
I don’t think they know what to do with them
Between them
They’re a hard faction to write and not shaft the other Eldar factions
Are there any demons that AREN’T evil?
No
Most demons are MADE of evil
before i complain more can ynnari bring harlequins this edition?
I guess
Daemons are made of evil
Yes
Clown
okay good

they have the sickest colorscheme, they have subfactiosn int heir sub factions
Where tf DO you guys think the story is going
Pariah Nexus
As little as it IS going
of 40k?
or an event
or what
For what specifically
Main one is the Tyrannic War but thats kinda onhold atm
Like are they just gonna pull another endtimes?
No
Etc etc?
No
^
Well the emperor is like almost dead
And selling terribly
and it was the correct decision
I think Pariah Nexus will lead the Guilliman and the Lion meeting up, and Vashtorr and Abbadons whole gambit eventually failing.
it was dead weight
And is getting deader every second
Yeah this prolly
Also this yeah
its the classic WWE shit
mhm
the usual stuff
Yeah atm the plot is like uhh
lots of red
Pariah Nexus
Tyrannic War
Vashtorr Mcguffin
yncarne my unbevoled
TSK wanting to eat his own gun
What’s Vashtorr doing?
WHY
He’s trying to make a giant fuck off rift
Funny
its the ynnari dream, i really want more ghost elf demon shit like this its amazing
Not sure what they’ll do with the Silent King but I love the idea of him and the Lion beating the snot out of Vastorr
and i love the nb elf badass
Ok but like I feel like at least Vashtorr understands that the warp consuming everything is bad
For very different reasons
whos very sexy
Like he doesn’t seem to be as stupid as the rest of daemonkind
I just hope the Silent King doesnt get punted
It’s not for him
i got no hope atm
Besides
because like
It’s not the warp consuming it
Dawn of Fire is so trash
It’s just a warp rift
He’ll be fine I think
Dawn of fire
Yeah prob
Hopefully ends on a good book
i assume he'll possibly do nothing
hypothetically what would make 40k do an endtimes?
Who is the new rift for?
At least stick the ebding
Himself
Nothing
He’s been treated as unbeatable in a direct fight every appearance
He wants an easy breach point
Raw materials/daemonic incursions from it
oh yeah let me ham out my hw
The forge of souls does need actual raw material transported to it
I don’t think Vashtorr HAS an allegiance?
For daemon engine production
He doesn’t
He works for whoever pays him
This is his own personal project
He’s literally a daemonic arms dealer
He’s a completely honest deal maker
didnt his subfaction gte combined with the iron warriors?
That’s kinda what I meant by “not evil”
More like “not part of the same general daemon operation”
He never goes back on his deals and he tells you straight what it is
He works with them
Like there ARE Daemons who do their own thing
valid
Hes very much evil
hes just an honest piece of shit
Yeah no
lol
Forgeful Evil*
He’s just
Lawful evil YEAH
GW not being profitable
Also yeah its entirely possible for there to be non-malign daemons, they'd just be the EXTREME 1%, because the Warp itself is evil
its why even non-chaos entities from it are absolutel awful beings
we also just dont really see them because uh
He is lawful evil yeah
Fucking frogs
watching evil daemons do shit is funnier
it was the necrons fault
Now that I think about it
wiat, omg, once EC releases tehre would be no reason to get another space marine faction
but there's literally hundreds of in universe reasons for the galaxy to end
Tbf if your DYING of giga cancer id start a war too
yeah but the ting people forget is like
second foundings
the necrons literally had a oppressive empire
The Necrons were a bunch of assholes?
Yeah
If the frogs gave them a cure for their lifespans
They wouldn’t give it to the poor
Yeah but
The cancer doesn’t help making good decisions
I’m 100% sure lol
"from popular demand, we are introducing the red scorpions faction!"

Bro what did the mud hut people do though? 😭
White woman emperor
i like how back then there was just god frogs and some rock with some cancer patients on it, nothing else
they'd do it too
He literally has a bunch of enslaved daemons running his factory
if in 18 months im asking about chats thoughts on the minotuars codex
Does he even have a big plan or?
He just likes to make funny shit?
i think blood will spill
crimson fist rule book 
His big plan is to become as big as the big 4 chaos gods
AHAJAHAHA
He plans to become the next chaos god
read his lexi page
its very good
Feasibility?
^
It’s his dream goal
Now impossible but low
There’s been leaks they’re gonna do character models for the Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Sallies and White Scars
they are trying that again?
It’s gonna be uh, Vulkan He’stan
GW not doing space marines would be out of character
Mashallah let it be vulkan
they'll find a fucking reason
Yes?
Why wouldn’t they
If GW make a new vulkan he’stan
I hate life every time im reminded Salamander fans exist dont do this
they did it in 8th and then tried again in 9th but like, couldnt catch up to demands i guess?
They better make a teaser like Vulkan is back
but released the combo boxes anyway?
I’m talking about the marine
Not the primarch
Same thing
I think it would be funny
Stronos is probably gonna be the Iron Hands character.
The White Scars guy is gonna be on a jetbike apparently

Permanent death isn’t real
but they're funny flamer guys
"hehehoho they are so nice"
Except for Horus

Until it’s not
Anyways yeah Vashtor
tabletop salamanders are super popular
Tbh they’re barely fans
"hey guys excited for the doom eagles codex?"
Not really
They don’t know any of their lore
I know thats what makes it worse
Or read any books
flamers!!!
Surface level as fuck
i heard they had fun rules in 9th or 8th or osmething
it was like buffing artifacts and stuff
They’ve had moments
They had fun rules in 9th
I remember seeing a post once where someone was asking what evil shit have salamanders done, and it had like 0 upvotes
and a ton of comments
people are SO in denial
They also have fun rules in 10th
its hilarious
It’s just boring
vulkan lives!! stomp stomp
Adrax codex entry with him burning a bunch of civilians alive

who was that second founding chapter that was just a writer's mary sue chapter?
It’s the same with some Tau fans, I hate people who pick a faction because they wanna be the “good guys”
Like mfer
Your missing the goddamn point
Tau fucking SUCK
Why were they made
it was either the mauraders, destroyers, or rampagers
Tau are fine
my friend picked tau because he likes drone strikes
i like tau guns
Some of their fans suck
sorry random imperial wedding
Unique aesthetic
also mecha
Cool idea
Same for Lamenters
is he obama?
excuse me
I’m ok with the Tau aesthetics
its Etherael O'bama
For an empire that gets along with other species
I’m fine with that
That’s a fire warrior
O’bama
But they serve ZERO purpose
Wdym lol
Idk people like em
They look cool
ahhfuhvbgihafsy9uHUASHIHSFAHFAS
Fire warrior Shas O’Bama
they serve more of a purpose than nids
i love kroot, its a good thing none of the kroot boxes have been cheap yet
Master of the drone strike
People who pick a faction just to be smug asshoels
Can we just have more Tyranids already?
You have an evolving bug faction you can make new cool looking shit with whenever you want and you DON’T USE THEM
Or moralize about it
We did get them
This edition
thats like 90% of the Imperium fans i met
"tau when the ysee a titan for the first time"
kroot are the coolest thing in 40k
die
nah dilara they have anti titans
also guardsman when they see a manta
It’s possible to like your dudes without shitting on everyone else’s
Ngl you’re not gona see a manta
also my partner has tau and she paints them like camo
It’s very easy actually
Its kinda hard for most people
But whatever
let me find the model she submitted to an art contest
id like to read some tau discussions
It’s a losing battle but
you're getting there
without some cunt going
I digress
"damocles crusade"
yes they got slaughtered
i get it
le funny
lemme ask my questions bruh
😭
The new tau book is good
Its fantastic
i love how they make them good and evil as fuck
i was a tau hater before im a tau apprciater now
I dislike how some of their fans act, and how they play loosey goose with the lore

Like the whole completely false “tau were good but GW made them bad”
Mfer they were always evil
They’re EVIL
Can Nurgle worshippers just like chill out as farmers in the gardens?
Only if they’re very high up
oh wait
i like the fact that tau do no fit in the setting because that's literally what they are, aliens to the insanely cruel galaxy
you mean like the garden
Nurgles followers big trait is apathy
whoops
YEAH THATS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE
"They dont fit"
cocksucker thats the point
they're meant to be aliens
They fit fine tbh
I’m gonna throw out a SCATHING hot take rn
They’re just a smaller faction, yeah there’s some plot armor but whatever
I don’t like Slaanesh
why
I think she is a very mid chaos god
Ok
i wish slaanesh showed more cocks too
As a domain
Jay
Guh
Why
GOD
lore reasons
chat
Jay you’re not helping
i will not take the straight pill
Nah but like idk Slaanesh is just like
MEH
I feel like there could have been a different domain
The whole “excess” thing just doesn’t like
Idk
Hes cool
It doesn’t FEEL like it does anything
I’m not talking the lore
I mean like
Visually
Oh lol
i mean visually you can say that for all of them
tzeentch's daemons are literally just blob-goons
They definitely uh
Ok
FOUND IT
it does the job
Khorne are what you expect
Very cool
Some more bull designs I would have gone with
Like the lack of Minotaur esc Khrone demons is a missed opportunity
Tzeentch
Doesn’t commit to the bird aspect enough
this was before it was done so it looks better now*
And I think Slaanesh is TOO demonlike
Why don’t they look like sometimes like pompous
Or wealthy
Prideful
Why the crab claws and bikini’s ONLY
whe wants me to shar emore
Like a couple of them do have ornate clothes and such
;-;
And I like Fulgrim’s snake like look
me too, it looks much better than his HH model
and is half as much
sednt his decade pls
But like too much or Slaanesh is HORRORFYING to look at
It lacks
Subtlety
Which I feel like Slaanesh would incorporate
Temptation
Desire
Again not just like
The weird stuff
definetly worth looking at aos slaanesh stuff
I EMAN
You might like the Phoenix conclave
But like there are many forms of excess but I feel like the daemons mainly get the
Crab claws treatment
Or like sigvald
i mean aos stuff
YEAH
Well its the most straightforward
The fantasy stuff is good looking
I get what you mean but theres options
They can look like that
But not while fighting
Like excess and pleasure should reel you in
And it’s less comfortable
the aos slaanesh sstuff is vrey very very diverse\
Even while fighting
I mean
Not just be
They’re tearing you apart at that point
They’re reveling in the excess of violence
But daemonettes and keeper of secrets
Can make themselves look “hot”
And stuff
But see that feels like it’s overlapping with Khrone at that point
while this takes 8 years to send
Standard succubi archetype
oh im on the wrong wifi thats why
That’s the point
The chaos gods have overlap
I’m more of a “one per each” kind of person
If you're a csm fan, you can probably run horus heresy ec models
tehre e go
Oh my god I just noticed that 💀
Where like I don’t feel like the daemons have overlap
Like frenzy and bloodshed should be Khrone
Seductive corruption should be Slaanesh
chaos in fantasy is just better done in general
imo
AoS yeah
Slaanesh in total war 3 where i throw bags of cash at my enemies
It’s kinda why I prefer Nurgle
When you see or fight Nurgle, you KNOW it’s Nurgle
40k chaos is also good
😳
They just have a great identity
This is ugly I’m ngl
"Like me damn you"
in aos thats actually theri army rule lol
Looks like a cute kids costume for Halloween though
Temptation dice are so shit lol
I’m ngl
Imma wear this to work from now on
should have added shoulder padding
In execution
Very cool
I thought they nerfed it
that was last edition
FEMALE SPACE MARINE????
Chat kill Jay
do we think that EC will have the sex horses?
Excuse me
Doubt it
Yea yea the sex horses, we've all seen it
last i heard the lore was they were poeple who rode the horses that then turn into the horses
They gave the world water juggernauts
Wait
Is that not a steed of slaanesh?
Nvm then
Prolly not
🤨
yeah
so they're riding people
Mr. Hands
it is steed of slaanesh
That’s weird
Well then yes
I think EC might have them
I’m not good with slaanesh daemon lore lol
It’s kinda cute
Hedonites stay winning
Hedonites > Daemons
i have teh demons, i donk think the models are going away
but i plan to just, use blue stuff to make cast mold of the new ones heads
and put the new heads on old models
the bodies are basically the same its just the heads
i feel like you enjoy painting flesh
since that's all i see you paint lol
its soft skin so its kinda a pain in the ass
Is this true?
You ever read of mice and men
That text is true yeah
Reddit moment so I'm barely taking it as truth but that seemed similar to something I've thought before, the part about them still having a loyal heart but being misled at least
It’s from uh
Vraks
I think the first campaign book
The crushers in Darktide seem fully aware
They’re chaos
Rare Reddit comment citing sources
Considering they talk about loyalists in a derogatory term
Well it’s not citing the source
Don't reapers say loyalists as well?
It’s just using a quote from a reputable source
Gotta put then down like lennie 
It is still possible for them to be ideologically converted as well, I assume
Yeah
Yeah anything goes
But rarer than normal people?
Unclear
Depends
Not really, like the post says if it's someone they trust then they're probably quite easy to convert
Theres no real statistics for it
I'm talking specifically about ideological conversion--willingly siding with chaos knowledgably
I would think indoctrination would stick easier for an ogryn than for a normal person
Eh you got the bully personalities running around i would say he would be the type that might convert
They’re not hard to mislead if you control their trusted leadership
Not because le all ogryns are wholesome chunger but just because of the low intelligence making them easier to indoctrinate
As opposed to guard who are more likely to maybe turn on their leaders if it’s more obvious
We’ve seen proper ideological conversion in ogryn before
But also like
It’s unclear to say how much it happens
I would make the call that it's at least a bit rarer
There's a good correlation between low intelligence and being unwilling to deconvert from a cult-like mindset
We see it in real life all the time 
Difference between being deconverted from a cult and being converted into a different cult
that's what smart people love to tell themselves im sure
True, I think it would be harder to sell chaos than the God-Emperor at face value though
But it is a good point
chaos cultists rarely tell the truth
i like when they know they're being screwed by chaos but work for it anyways because it beats being an imperial
Its technically not correct
the chaos ogryns in the game literally refer to us as "loyalist"
its very possible they willingly joined to be traitors which explains their a lot more sadistic personalities
EDIT: Wait Elite alread said this NOOO
@storm jungle do you know who yells “KILL THE INTRUDERS” during the bridge elevator holdout thing
Or is it just generic Moebian goon

Yall think a space marines eyes would glow in the dark like an animals
If the current writer feels like it probably yeah
Which aspect of chaos do you think they would be most likely to fall to, by and large?
I'm thinking it's a toss-up between Nurgle and Khorne
MAYBE Slaanesh has a chance if they generally have a ridiculous appetite
Lorai my beloved
pretty much fully Nurgle
they arent as sickly looking (kind of) but you dont need to be alligned to any other god just to be a sadistic psychopath
I’d like to point out there is tzeentch beastmen/minotaurs who followed tzeentch to become smarter
honestly relatable
Also hes right
just go for it

Drugs
Well shit fair enough
There’s a guy who asked tzeentch what his future will be and then his mind got teleported to the future where he was murdering his own children
I was thinking in terms of food
Mhm mhm
Gluttonous Slaanesh followers looking at the Lusting Slaanesh followers like 
Brah I'm just here for the munchies and weed
Can you please get the hex strap away from me
I’m kinda imagining
Hehehehe
What that?
Carried by a bunch of normal peeps
Age of sigmar character
Glutos lord of gluttony
He was a thief that stole a grain of rice from a temple
And then Slaanesh was like “lmao, the more you eat the more I’ll send demons to you”
To be fair glutos wasn’t his original name
Return of the barge
We don’t know his original name
It’d be funny if it was tho
Like a Kharn Khorne situation
Yeha
Legionary Nerghl
The glutos mini is so good tbh
It makes me want a new vect mini
Because of how good it is
i forgot were pheonix lords like, a single person or are multiple people possessed by the same pheonix lord
One person but they can occupy different bodies
Needs to be an exarch on the path
I.E if Jain Zarr dies, a banshee can put on her armor and Jain Zarr takes their body over
Warhammer writers beefing with white women on who can come up with the worst names
but there is only 1 perosn posessed by jain zaar at a time
Yes
can they like, swap across the galaxy on a dime or do they physically go there
Jain Zar is not that bad
You need to physically put on the armor
It also kills the person who does it
Not that the exarch cares
and theres one set of armor?
THAT SHIT IS SO COOL AHHH 
mayeb they will get a book
maybe a good one
and hten i can finally like them
Oh I wasn't talking about Jain Zarr
Nerghl
Kharn
Etc.
There’s one Incubus who is probably the original striking scorpions Phoenix lord
Drazhar’s armor has the exact same properties
As Phoenix lord armor
Weirdly there’s also the creepy implication that
Phoenix lords are living suits of armor
At this point
After drazhar dies a kalivex under him goes looking for his armor
And when she finds his armor his body is nowhere to be found
It’s just empty
how long would it take for an Imperium ship to cross the entire galaxy on average
Like sublight?
Or via warp travel lol
warp travel
Well post great rift you can’t in a straight line
Let me look for a pre great rift one
One moment
im trying to compare the FTL of Star Wars and Warhammer
Assuming a non stop jump from terra to the edge of the galaxy with a it’ll vary from a couple months to a year or you have severe outliers as well
Such as arriving seconds after you left
Or 100 years in the future
ye warp travel can be fucky thats why i asked "on average"
Well eliminating averages
it takes around 100+ days to cross segmentum pacificus
every other segmentum is like half the size
so I'd say it'll take 200 days
assuming your navigator is shit
neat
thanks
Which non-imperium faction in lore right is in weakest position, to get squashed by other factions?
do we count like
liek 90% of tau art is them getting their ass kicked
minor xenos
Since then they're all in more danger then the Tau imo
and then its the Tau
Even more than the Votann or Dark Elders?
Drukhari are in 0 danger
the Leagues of Votann are incredibly isolated
for their core systems
they have the safety of the city i cant remember the name of
LoV and Drukhari have very very tough strongholds
^
If you get into comorragh
its because they want you to be in it
or someone brought you in
I meant only main/playable factions... Are there any non-playable/non-major faction that's still notable?
Exodites I guess
Afaik Exodites are just Eldars who went hippie and rejected technology. And if need arises, can pick up the tech they left or join up with other eldar factions.
They’re Eldar Amish
But they’re also very dependent on the Craftworlds, Corsairs and Drukhari to defend them
From any major attacks
also the Drukhari often prey on them
not as fun to torture as Craftworlders
but they're up there
the best "toys" drukhari can get are craftworlders
one thats never walked the path of the warrior/seer/outcast
So Drukharis f*** around Aeldaris! too!
Even Necrons can't squash Comorragh?
They could
they could if they could get in
the problem is mustering an effort
big if
They’re by far the most likely
Also uh
they need to get enouhg of them together
all the dark eldar superweapons
Dolmen Gates and all that
they could literally blackhole the entire invasion force
would the necrons come back? Yes
then they'd blackhole them again
or throw a sun at them
or some other worse shit
Portal to the sun
The most likely faction to absolutely stomp Commorragh is daemons
Tbh the Necrons might beat them to that.
honestly the big issue is still getting in
It doesnt also help that like Commorragh is literally endless
the city itself is like its nexus but thats kind of it
The best way to take it down would be to take out Vect and a few other key players. And watch the city fall apart from in fighting.
yeah
The problem is Vect would already know of this
and prob throw you in a sun or something
half his lore entries are people that wanna kill him getting schwacked 💀
Well if we remove his adamantium grade plot armor
lol
Its like asking a space marine character to die
so even thats surgically impossible
He’s awesome shut
Okay this is annoying i 100% know who this is but i cant remember
hold on
OH MY GOD
Old UM Sgt
Veteran Sgt I should say
hes the kind of character im glad exists
Veteran Sgt
because if he didnt people would go "someone staying in a scout company this long is dumb"
classic 40k moment
that requires people to remember he exists
which sucks because im not even being sarcastic for once
Do they 💀
💀
Superhelldive mission
noooo
lexi didnt even update his page for that
im gonna cry
😭
less no?
so not surprised its been updated
wait
yeah same thing

Cockblight upon ye
but also yeah im sure he'll get it
at some point
if people remember Cuntsorath exists so will he
Bro has been to all Four Tyrannic Wars
Oh
Lermartene?
Lambortene?
Cassius
Lemartes is the Blood Angel one
yeah i was talking about him with Astroboyrath
Cassius is the Deathwatch Ultramarines guy
Cassius is the UM uber xenophobe
that nails down nothing

oh god i never knew this was him
i assumed it was generic ultramarine chaplain
😭
Uhhh
its 40k wiki
so yes/no
HE DOES have the matching design
did the artist fuck up
idk how you could miss a bionic eye
A tale lost to time
I want to see new fucked up Cassius
/j
shut up
a new super messed up cassius would go hard
Don't Eldars (black or white) have it more easier dealing with warp/chaos related threats?
Its harder and easier
I mean eldar dealing with daemons is both harder and easier for them depending on the circumstance
cause they are very tantalizing for daemons and are very susceptible to psychic effects due to their bright souls and powerful emotions, but they are quite adept at psychic abilities and maintaining control
So,
Humans have Psychers
Eldars are adept at psychic stuff (don't know the deets)
Necrons are soulless
Tyranids cast shadow
Orcs are orcs
How do Tau and Votann deal with chaos?
tau have ethereals
votann have crazy fucking shirtless guys
oh chaos
both dont really understand chaos
votann especially are only recently starting to get corrupted
both rely a lot on machines that can be corrupted sooo 🤷♂️
Drukhari aren’t psykers
There aren’t any official chaos votann minis. Yeah?
Dark eldar in fact have 0 psykers
no
we barely have any lore of votann interacting with chaos
i dont think we're getting chaos votann in the next decade
I hope we never get it
So I started rereading Cawl's Great Work book and is like him landing exitting the warp near the space station thing orbitting sotha a big deal? Like did the mech spider boy Tokyo drift a battle tank through a crowd of pedestrians into a parking spot w/o touching a thing? Is Cawl a good driver?
Cawl is most likely not piloting it but yes that essentially is what happened
I get her might have some dark age AI adjacent tech in his ship, but isn't openning a warp jump portal right next to a world a bad idea? Cawl's just that ballsy huh
I'm mostly just curious if he has any specific tech that allows for that or if it's just random math BS. Probably the latter since Warp Gates are the only other thing that might relate to what I'm trying to think of.
I guess easier mainly because the Eldar have more dedicated ways to control themselves and to get Daemons to fuck off
Like they aren't doing the shit that the Imperium does to their Psykers
Then again, maybe Slaaneshi Daemons would probably be a weakness to them
Considering how their soul is technically owned by Slaanesh
Unless if they use protection

And also the fact that Eldar experience things much more intensely. I can see them having a harder time with the God of Excess in general.
Yeah, they are both a huge target and like catnip for daemons, but theyre also pretty adept at fighting off daemons because uh its kinda what they have to do constantly to survive
"You got protection?"
Pulls out soul stone
Also there is also another benefit.
Although this is specifically for Craftworlders
They live a fairly balanced life
They are less suspectible to corruption as a result
And also actually have food
Success can be a path to excess and corruption as well though
Part of the reason why the Imperium suffers from Chaos Incursions is because Chaos is like
"Hey your life is miserable. How about taking control of it?"
True. But as long as you aren't doing the depraved bullshit that the Deldar and Imperium nobles do
You'll be fine
Probably still have a chance to be corrupted
Well for eldar its less about corruption and more about "We're literally going to eat your soul"
But generally moderation is the best weapon against Chaos
its a lot of math. Cawls just being a showoff
its also dangerous
Not like Cawl cares
Slaanesh just has a like a chicken bucket with tiny little aeldari screaming for their lives







