40k-lore-chat

[forest orbit]

kinda

[arctic talon]

in anycase

fun fact

[forest orbit]

idfk

I got an entire army of them

[arctic talon]

did you know Primaris bladeguard

were the first Primaris Jes drew

and he worked back from them

[forest orbit]

Yeah adds up

[arctic talon]

to get intercessors and stuff

[forest orbit]

he likes gothic shit

[arctic talon]

for "basic" primaris

[storm jungle]

Thanks for this info.

I hate it.

[dusk patrol]

Make sense why DA were so solid

[arctic talon]

I still think his Eldar stuff are the funniest sketches

[storm jungle]

it also explains why the bladeguard are so good

[arctic talon]

Like

thats it

they're stil using the same sketches

from fucking 20 years ago

or more lol

[queen laurel]

Okay so who takes over the position of the jes fella

[storm jungle]

Honestly goes to show how good they are

[dusk patrol]

If it ain’t broke

[queen laurel]

Who is the new guy that supposed to replace him

[arctic talon]

don't fix it

No one

[storm jungle]

Eldar benefit a lot from being so basic appearance wise

[arctic talon]

Jes has a lot of stuff still

lol

He also said he's not going to stop drawing for GW

[storm jungle]

same with other factions

[dusk patrol]

Tbh they’ve used concept art from Blanches first stuff for the new primaris too

[arctic talon]

its just not a fulltime job now

[queen laurel]

I see

[arctic talon]

Yeah Blanche also def impacts stuff

[dapper gyro]

Did he make Reiver marines? Because that armour is edgy as fuck.

[dusk patrol]

Like Azraels new pose

[arctic talon]

yep

lol

[dusk patrol]

Is an ancient Blanche piece

[arctic talon]

if you see a 40k unit

[storm jungle]

Yeah the GW rule for minis is:

[arctic talon]

99% chance its from Jes's concept art

[storm jungle]

• Yoink from artwork (bonus if blanche)

• Torture Jes to draw one

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

[forest orbit]

Not wrong...

[arctic talon]

also

Jes has the forbidden 5th armor type for Primaris

that GW has refused to show us

[forest orbit]

As a person that has the blanche templar pack i can atest to this 💀

[dapper gyro]

Infiltrator and Elimilator are the only 2 phobos I like, both design and gameplay.

[forest orbit]

You cant mean-

[storm jungle]

He does.

[crystal forum]

are you sure this guy is also lead design or smth

[arctic talon]

We have phobos, gravis, tacticus

[dusk patrol]

I wonder if it was heavier than Gravis

[arctic talon]

and the Omnis

[storm jungle]

He was

[arctic talon]

and yeah its heavier then gravis

he said its heavier then terminator

[dusk patrol]

Oof

[arctic talon]

he also says hes proud of it

[celest dome]

I so don't follow SM news that I have no idea what all this mean

[dapper gyro]

Centurion replacement?

[arctic talon]

but seeing that he's proud of desolaters

[dusk patrol]

Maybe one day lol

[arctic talon]

idfk lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I suspect

[dapper gyro]

Armour inside of armour.

[arctic talon]

Its most likely a cent replacement yeah

[dusk patrol]

Something close

[forest orbit]

Gravis: Big dumb armor
Terminator: Bigger smaller armor

[crystal forum]

i just can't wrap my head around having 1 single guy do both concept art and design management or whatever

[arctic talon]

I mean

he doesn't do design managment

[dusk patrol]

Probably looked too much like Cent

[arctic talon]

really

[storm jungle]

^

He designs

has ideas

or works with people

[arctic talon]

^

The sculptors put his stuff into reality

[dusk patrol]

He just churns stuff out

[storm jungle]

He explains a lot of the stuff on his sketchbooks which i completely all legally have

[dusk patrol]

He’s probably had his fair share of “No Jes that’s stupid”

[storm jungle]

Like skaven were literally

"WW1 rats"

as per his notes

thats it

then he just sketches

[arctic talon]

jes has made everything people hate and love mini wise

tbh

[dusk patrol]

Damn they missed the mark hard

[dapper gyro]

Why do you have to add that 2nd half of your sentence?

[arctic talon]

including the Dreadknight

LOL

[crystal forum]

that's a crazy amount of artistic liberty to have

[arctic talon]

well yeah

[storm jungle]

The joke is his concept books are impossible to get

[arctic talon]

if they disagree with something

[storm jungle]

and extremely expensive

[arctic talon]

they don't make a mini

of it

[storm jungle]

Also yeah and another example

[sly ivy]

Great man theory of history confirmed again

[dusk patrol]

It takes minimum 2 years from concept to finished model

[storm jungle]

lets say the Tyranids? He co-did their entire refresh with Robert Cirillo

[dusk patrol]

Often longer

[storm jungle]

Cirillo is another great guy, you can find a lot of his shit on google

they are all like shitty photos

[crystal forum]

i can't even imagine something like that being done without a whole board of designers these days

[storm jungle]

of people took on Cons

[storm jungle]

I mean again

[dusk patrol]

It’s so expensive to make the moulds

They have to

[storm jungle]

he has a team

but hes the core of it

[arctic talon]

Jes's enginseer concept art

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

is literally what the mini is based on

Like

[storm jungle]

like EXACT

you should see his Cawl one

[crystal forum]

crazy

[storm jungle]

the better the technology got

the more shit they can include on minis

which he also took advantage of

this is fucking immaculate shit

[arctic talon]

have you seen Blanche's sketch of cawl

[storm jungle]

Yep

and thats not even Cawl

[crystal forum]

can't believe a human being came up with most mechanicus models

[arctic talon]

is it not?

lol

[storm jungle]

it was some rando mass techpriest

which they used as inspo

[storm jungle]

yeah uh

[arctic talon]

I c

[storm jungle]

you can see his name

on the bottom left

[arctic talon]

also the original breacher design

[crystal forum]

looks very 90's

[storm jungle]

Awreken Cystt, Archchemist of Vyre

Blanche is kinda like

[arctic talon]

goes hard

[storm jungle]

loose with his mind?

so he probably just named this guy whatever

[arctic talon]

Yvraine and Visarch aree very good

[storm jungle]

when he was just used for Cawl

[storm jungle]

The amount of people destroying the visarch for kitbash parts proves this

[crystal forum]

can you imagine being in charge of creating the visual representation of 40k lore

[arctic talon]

Visarch is like

fucking peak

[crystal forum]

shit goes crazy

[arctic talon]

kitbash material

Bro is perfect for an Archon, Autarch hell

you can turn him into a sisters of silence

Thats not a joke

[storm jungle]

Yeah most people got no idea who he even is

hes behind EVERY single faction's look

Necrons, Marines, Eldar, you name it

[arctic talon]

also ngl I wish they kept Yvraines dress shorter

like in the concept art

[crystal forum]

as somebody who's getting into creating models this shit is insane

[arctic talon]

hers is too long now in art + her mini

tbh

[storm jungle]

yeah agreed

[arctic talon]

its a bit silly lol

[storm jungle]

but its good

[arctic talon]

yeah no her design is great

[dapper gyro]

That Guilliman's wife sketch looks so much better than what we have.

[arctic talon]

also she's still using the little fan thing

that Wych's have sometimes

in art lol

or the uh

[storm jungle]

"Guilliman's wife"

[arctic talon]

Other Court of the Archon unit I forgot the name of

[storm jungle]

die

[arctic talon]

CHAT KILL HIM

[rose thorn]

PLSSS GIVE MORE YNNARI CONTENT PLEASEEEE

[celest dome]

Banned for 1 day

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Idk

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Girl is DESPERATE

[arctic talon]

I really think they should have leaned into Yvraine being a drukhari

[storm jungle]

😭

[arctic talon]

mini wise lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah you can barely tell lol

[crystal forum]

give her clown makeup yeah

[arctic talon]

She literally was a succubus formost of her life

lol

[rose thorn]

Oh shit that was drawn by uh

[storm jungle]

Blanche

[arctic talon]

Blanche

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

jinx

[storm jungle]

jinx

[rose thorn]

Did you know Blanche made the Kharadron Overlords?

[storm jungle]

Yeah

he designed a lot of the early AOS stuff

its great

[rose thorn]

Absolutely amaizng

[storm jungle]

his stormcast sketches are crazy

[arctic talon]

All paths lead to Blanche or Jes

lol

[dapper gyro]

I'm already dead a long time ago.

[rose thorn]

I wish I could find his sketches

[arctic talon]

its kind of fucking horrifying

[crystal forum]

he's called blanche because he has carte blanche over 40k models

[arctic talon]

to think about that

[storm jungle]

Not dead enough it seems

[arctic talon]

Like

imagine being told

[dusk patrol]

In Lewis we trust

[arctic talon]

hey you're gona need to do sketches

instead of blanche

like

[storm jungle]

Honestly

[arctic talon]

Wait

[storm jungle]

understandable fear

[arctic talon]

thats

literally the new

like

thats literally the new dude

[storm jungle]

YEP

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rose thorn]

Lord terminos

[storm jungle]

remember, when in doubt

pilfer blanche

[crystal forum]

this 90's art style will never be replicated

[rose thorn]

Yeah blanch influence goes crazy

[arctic talon]

this wasn't made in the 90's though

[dusk patrol]

Blanche still draws

Smh

[arctic talon]

I do think its fun that Blanche's art hasn't changed a ton

[dusk patrol]

And he did it in the 70s

And 80s

[arctic talon]

like the big shift in his style is like

harder and clearer lines

[rose thorn]

I think he also designed fucking uhhhhh

[arctic talon]

rather then everything mixing together

[rose thorn]

I don’t think he did fyreslayers

[crystal forum]

it looks so crude yet there's so much depth to it

[rose thorn]

He did cities of sigmar

[arctic talon]

Fyreslayers are Jes

[dusk patrol]

Makes sense

[rose thorn]

Yee

[storm jungle]

I really love the guy, it hurts to now he has some health problems now and shit, makes me sad

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rose thorn]

His art directly inspired the brothers of the bolt

[crystal forum]

wait does blanche use water paints

[arctic talon]

Also ngl I think its funny that Jes's favorite old world factions are Dwarfs and Elfs

[dapper gyro]

I want new Custodes and SoS. Their last released kit in the 9th was a rebox...

[arctic talon]

like

[dusk patrol]

No he uses your mom

[arctic talon]

is that not funny

[crystal forum]

oh

[storm jungle]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Yeah he does

[storm jungle]

he does em traditionally

[crystal forum]

damn

traditional concept art

[storm jungle]

Well its not concept

thats not how he draws

they basically go

"Draw us this idea"

and hes like

"aight hold on"

[dusk patrol]

It is funny how Blanches style doesn’t lend itself well to concept but it’s still worked

[crystal forum]

isn't that concept art dilara

[arctic talon]

this is all water color

[storm jungle]

Yeah the detailed ones really work better

[storm jungle]

I meant more like uh

with Jes for example

he points out EVERY part

and what he does

[dusk patrol]

Probably one of my favorite pieces he’s done

[storm jungle]

Blanche more just makes "artwork"

[dapper gyro]

Eh, isn't that mean a concept?

[crystal forum]

so THAT'S why it looks so unique

[storm jungle]

in their mind yes

Blanche just does art

its never really concepts

imo

[arctic talon]

all of Blanche's admech stuff

[arctic talon]

is top notch

[crystal forum]

this guy drew in his school books

you can tell

[sly ivy]

Yeah.

[sly ivy]

Same.

[storm jungle]

I had a friend in the UK play with Blanche in a store against his own painted minis

and uh

through the game while it was fun he said he got really tired and forgetful and had to leave

[crystal forum]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

that really hurt to read

[celest dome]

Love this one

[storm jungle]

lol

[dusk patrol]

That’s when you press the advantage

[arctic talon]

the iconic piece of art that basically is the source of all Admech/mechanicum design philosophy lol

[crystal forum]

oh is he old af

[storm jungle]

Yeah he also had a stroke like a year ago iirc

[dusk patrol]

Victory at any cost

[storm jungle]

he is VERY old

[crystal forum]

shit man

[dusk patrol]

But yeah he’s stepped back a ton

[celest dome]

born 1948

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one of the reasons why he retired, guy just wants to chill

[storm jungle]

OOF

[dusk patrol]

He was involved in a lot more than just the concept too, he did lore and rules stuff too

[storm jungle]

^

He was there through it all

[sly ivy]

Ugh

[arctic talon]

He was involved in the like

[rose thorn]

Is that angron or a blood thirstier?

[arctic talon]

foundational lore stuff

[storm jungle]

Bloodthirster

[arctic talon]

in 2e and 3e

[storm jungle]

lemme get him his angron

[arctic talon]

And then he stopped doing lore

[crystal forum]

wait so he was in his 30's when 40k started

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

wild

[storm jungle]

he was REALLY young yeah

you can find some of his photos from that

[crystal forum]

young???

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

its super fucking weird to see

[rose thorn]

Oh didn’t Blanche make the night haunt?

[crystal forum]

i meant the opposite

[storm jungle]

I had a friend commission art of that lol

[rose thorn]

Thank you

[storm jungle]

👍

[storm jungle]

Yeah that neck flaps tell you how old he is lol

[dusk patrol]

Of course he’s got two rings

With skulls

[storm jungle]

Lore accurate blanche tbh

[arctic talon]

He loves skulls

[storm jungle]

also BDSM women

and BDSM men

[dapper gyro]

What a surprise.

[storm jungle]

its like how Giger got inspired to do xenomorph artwork

[dapper gyro]

Imagine he has a dungeon in the basement.

[storm jungle]

(which i cant say without spoilering the text because oof)

[dusk patrol]

https://youtu.be/HCm4TXiSKpc?si=dV2d6ToCwX7vE57M

Adrian Smith looks exactly like you’d think too

He does a bunch of videos of him drawing now

[dapper gyro]

No, I don't like skull, Dilara.

[storm jungle]

I really miss Smith and Kopinski, they were in-studio warhammer artists for what felt like forever once

loved their shit

[dusk patrol]

We got Jones now, and Miguel

[crystal forum]

[storm jungle]

Yeah they got that disgusting mess-art style really well

[rose thorn]

YEAHHHH

[storm jungle]

I HATE some of the newer artworks recently so its good

[dusk patrol]

We don’t needs them precious

Old stinky nasty Britishies

[rose thorn]

I can’t find jes’ fyreslayer art

[dusk patrol]

It came to him in a dream

A bad one

Should have stayed there

[rose thorn]

He watched body snatchers and LOTR at the same time

[crystal forum]

if i drew everything i saw in a dream

[rose thorn]

Also where can I find his art portfolio

[storm jungle]

Uhh you cant

BUT

I know a good tumblr profile that has a shit ton of his stuff

hold on

[storm jungle]

https://gothicpunk.tumblr.com/

its like pages upon pages upon pages

[rose thorn]

Thanks :3

[storm jungle]

Np, not sure if any AOS stuff is there but if its not just google "john blanche AOS" and you'll get an equally amount of results

[rose thorn]

HE MADE THE GLOOMSPITE GITZ?!

He did trh Soulblight grave lords

[crystal forum]

can you imagine the decades of art he has in his basement

[storm jungle]

I cant

we are talking like over 30 years

[rose thorn]

HE MAFE THE FLESH EATER COURTS?!

https://preview.redd.it/john-blanches-vampires-v0-cnuo0bkqad3c1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c2dccdcd38109cfe34de32717e6513e65969c449

[storm jungle]

Im 99% sure he did EVERY single faction

[crystal forum]

people will be combing over his art books for years

[storm jungle]

id hope so, its deserved

[storm jungle]

oh hey the tzeentch cultists

[rose thorn]

yea

He did the archanites

Aracnites?

[storm jungle]

Yeah i think they didnt wanna nag him too much since he was still old when AOS was even made

so he gave the "base" ideas for each faction and GW just has been rolling with it since

[rose thorn]

AOS really is his love child huh

[storm jungle]

yep just like WHF and 40k

he helps with the groundwork aesthetic

then everyone else takes over

[arctic talon]

Jamie Martínez is great

because he can draw normal stuff

[storm jungle]

LOL true

[arctic talon]

but he also can do like the horrifying disgusting art

LOL

[rose thorn]

HE MADE THE KRULEBOYZ!!

[arctic talon]

Shit like this LOL

or this

[rose thorn]

No space marines in sight, just people enjoying the moment

[arctic talon]

oh my god I just noticed this dude getting throttled by the CSM LOL

[dusk patrol]

He has some amazing pieces

[arctic talon]

@storm jungle do you know where this art is from?

I've never seen it in the codex

but its apparently published GW art by Martinez

[rose thorn]

Something I really like is the purposeful lack of gore

[storm jungle]

9th Edition Eldar

[arctic talon]

thanks

[storm jungle]

NO WAIT

[arctic talon]

wait

[storm jungle]

lemme check i gotta be sure

[rose thorn]

Nothings covered in blood so you can feel the full size and impact of everything

[arctic talon]

is it in that book????

I'm like pretty sure it isn't

[storm jungle]

by dyslexia demands it

[rose thorn]

While you are here can you explain what this is?

[storm jungle]

I possibly mixed it up with the one where the saim hann jetbikes just like in that blue filter are harrassing orks

[storm jungle]

So thats an ork symbol

uhhh...

and flying ship

I dont fucking kno-

[rose thorn]

Okay I was wondering if it’s an old world thing

There’s guys on dogs at the bottom

[arctic talon]

He also made that art

he really likes Eldar jetbikes LOL

[storm jungle]

lol yeah

[rose thorn]

I cant tell if it’s Gitz or chaos dwarves

[storm jungle]

Be advised Blanche sometimes draws really wild random shit

[dapper gyro]

Now it makes me wonder about the Assassins arts.

[storm jungle]

so dont try to make sense of it sometimes

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[jade holly]

Clearly Orkz were space pirates at one point, real swashbuckling hooligans

[storm jungle]

for real

[rose thorn]

I was wondering because the symbol is on the cover of the Gitmob box

Batteltome*

[storm jungle]

Yeah that san oldie

it goes really far back before even the first WHF orc codexes

it was adopted later

[arctic talon]

he really likes this blue look lol

[rose thorn]

CONTRAST MY BELOVED

[storm jungle]

Nope

i was correct

💀

had to be sure

[arctic talon]

neat

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

such a good fucking panel

[celest dome]

Ah yes the Ultramarine space gun

[arctic talon]

oh my god he did this art

I didn't know that lol

[celest dome]

||They use Ultramarine as ammo||

[crystal forum]

i will never be satisfied with the current amount of these sorts of artwork in the world

i fucking love them

they show the scale of 40k so well

[arctic talon]

oh my god

he made the soyjack ultramarine

LOL

[storm jungle]

yeah the giveaway with his art is uh

[dusk patrol]

No it’s the pointing soyjack smh

[storm jungle]

Color but still dour
Its clean

[rose thorn]

Found it

[rose thorn]

HE DID?!

[storm jungle]

thats the one

[arctic talon]

he did a bunch of portraits for killteam

huh

[dusk patrol]

Also wide landscape shots

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rose thorn]

MY PARTNER LOVES THAT ART

[arctic talon]

he likes Stygies my GOAT

[dusk patrol]

He loves his long shots in the background

[arctic talon]

They're coming for your xenotech

he also did 3 different portraits for Drukhari Wych's lol

presumably for killteam

[crystal forum]

i only know mechanicus worlds if they have guard vehicles

[arctic talon]

then you should know Stygies

[crystal forum]

and gryphonne IV

[storm jungle]

another one of hte goats

[crystal forum]

wheres the tau vs necron one

[arctic talon]

oh one moment

[crystal forum]

i like seeing those blue fucks learn their lesson

[dusk patrol]

Look at this guy, he’s all tuckered out. Good guy BL making sure he gets his rest

[storm jungle]

thats my favorite trope with most modern 40k

[dusk patrol]

[crystal forum]

"we can reason with them, surely"

[storm jungle]

RARELY you can usually never show anyone being killed

[arctic talon]

bruh what the fuck is going on lol

[storm jungle]

or if they are

its like

that yellow bullet impact effect

thats it

lol

[arctic talon]

nah Viorla invaded a tomb world

LOL

[dusk patrol]

Don’t hate

[crystal forum]

honestly badass

[celest dome]

Stop it Jerry I don't want to go inthe box

[arctic talon]

Their response to a Sautekh dynasty invason was to invade the nearest tombworld to force the Necrons to defend it

and it did work

[dusk patrol]

“Commander, status update.”

[arctic talon]

it also killed like 90% of the Tau who did it but like

LOL

[crystal forum]

who survived

[arctic talon]

Uh

some of the ones in orbit

and a few reserve forces LOL

[crystal forum]

LOL

[arctic talon]

everyone who went planetside died

Vior'la declared it a success

[crystal forum]

"well bob, i dont think i want to land on that planet anymore"

[arctic talon]

since it had accomplished its goal

[dusk patrol]

“We can confirm the planet is dangerous”

[arctic talon]

Martinez also did this one

for crons

he draws necrons a very particular way

they're always like weirdly bulky in his art

[storm jungle]

like i said

its clean

[crystal forum]

marked as "difficult diplomacy"

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I like this one

for how freaky it makes the Imperium look

[crystal forum]

classic

[dusk patrol]

“Potential Candidate for Assimilation Rating: Poor”

[arctic talon]

also the cursed slim marine

[dusk patrol]

Longneck McGee

[crystal forum]

maybe if we send them more of our magic toasters...

sometimes i forget how awesome GSC models are

[dusk patrol]

“I don’t get it, why didn’t you just simply kill them all.”

“And then pose for an album cover.”

[crystal forum]

tbf iron hands would find the one isolated pocket of necrons they can annihilate with ease, after bringing exactly the right equipment

not a whole fucking planet

[dusk patrol]

It depends, they’d had some pretty large scale conflicts

They’re probably bar none the best fighting force the Imperium has to fight them though, and most experienced

Like they actually won this engagement and managed to shatter a transcendent C’tan

Cost a lot but they did succeed.

@crystal forum thought you might like this too

[rose thorn]

They are the best faction

[remote widget]

what about one very greedy and annoyingly persistant archmagos cawl

[dusk patrol]

He’s good at stealing it

[storm jungle]

When i read Genefather I could definitely understand why Cawl would feel like a stain of shit stuck on the sole of your feet to any other character

[dusk patrol]

He actually has a detachment of Iron Hands on his flagship

[storm jungle]

(hes still based however)

[dusk patrol]

Which Haley didn’t have be there

[storm jungle]

I assume they took the day off for Genefather

[dusk patrol]

Because then the plot doesn’t happen

[crystal forum]

it's like that aliens scene

[remote widget]

he out-thunk a ctan

[storm jungle]

to be fair it could, he legit 100% forgot

[dusk patrol]

Bile shows up

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Book ends

[crystal forum]

god i love iron hands i need a book

[storm jungle]

the plot armor he has is too thick not even Ironhandium could pierce it

[crystal forum]

dilara can you write an IH book

[remote widget]

oops i put my memory of my company of iron hands in the wrong personality core

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh

it would be the same as every IH book

start

[crystal forum]

make the main character trans

[storm jungle]

mcguffin plot

go to planet

[crystal forum]

TRANSHUMAN THAT IS

[storm jungle]

bomb everyone

mission accomplished

good ending

bonus points if mcguffin is destroyed

IH books are pretty mid/good though even if they dont have much

[crystal forum]

they exist?

[arctic talon]

Dominion Genesis moment

[storm jungle]

They are neat shut up

[arctic talon]

Except I think she was based for doing it

she is the ultimate hater

[storm jungle]

LOL

fuck off

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

I DID NOT need that after reading Daemonhammer

WHER ETHEY ALSO DESTROY THE MCGUFFIN

[arctic talon]

I'M SORRY LOL

[storm jungle]

ARGHHHHH

[sly ivy]

Fucking Genefather

[arctic talon]

Dominion genesis is actually a good book though

[sly ivy]

Was like 1/4 of a book

[arctic talon]

also thank fuck

the mcguffin

isn't like

[storm jungle]

HEY

[arctic talon]

Necron

[crystal forum]

where's the father and why does he have my jeans

[arctic talon]

If I get another admech book

with a Necron Mcguffin

I am killing james workshop

[storm jungle]

i swear, yeah

[sly ivy]

The Great Work was better

[storm jungle]

Genefather is good but like

its literally a SETUP book

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

which... why even do this

[arctic talon]

its guy haley

begging

for another cawl boo

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

*book

which sure I guess

I don't mind that

[crystal forum]

why does GW treat necron like evil admech when they have the fucking evil admech

[arctic talon]

but also FUCKS SAKE

[arctic talon]

they aren't treated like evil admech

regarding crons

[storm jungle]

^

its more uh

[arctic talon]

Admech is treated as Evil admech

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could be worse, could be bloodravens, where breaking the mcguffin was only the start of their real issues

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

"Admech wanna coom all over necron tech"

[storm jungle]

Man if only

[crystal forum]

why dont they fight evil admech

[storm jungle]

Uhh

tabletop reasons

[arctic talon]

Relevant

[storm jungle]

Basically

they DO sometimes figth darkmech

but they got no standing tabletop army

[arctic talon]

also yeah

[storm jungle]

so they dont get spotlight much

[arctic talon]

They fight Darkmech in genefather

lol

[remote widget]

because then people want admech with flesh tentacles

[storm jungle]

yeah they are just lackeys

[crystal forum]

i want flesh tentacles

[arctic talon]

anyways

Dominion Genesis is I think the first time I've seen

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go buy greenstuff then

[arctic talon]

an ||eldar empire|| mcguffin

[storm jungle]

ah yes

[arctic talon]

as the driving plot lol

[storm jungle]

my second favorite

[arctic talon]

You say this like its common

smh

[storm jungle]

IT IS

IT FUCKING IS

[arctic talon]

WHAT

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

NO ITS NOT

WHAT

what books are you reading

[storm jungle]

but like the tierlist id make is

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khaine doesnt count as a mcguffin?

[sly ivy]

[arctic talon]

a shard of khaine isn't a fucking mcguffin

its a shard of khaine

[storm jungle]

• 1. DAOT Mcguffins
• 2. Necron Mcguffins
• 3. Eldar Mcguffins

[crystal forum]

necron macguffin be like a toaster that can delete a quadrant of the galaxy that somebody dropped on some asteroid

never gets mentionned again

[storm jungle]

^

bonus points if the protags destroy it

[sly ivy]

U leave my breath of the gods alone

[storm jungle]

what was it uhh, ||a fucking terraformer engine?||

[arctic talon]

Darktidejacks

[crystal forum]

and when it isn't the community never shuts up about it

[storm jungle]

FULGRIM CLONE

OMG GUYS

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magic singing crystal thats a billion year old plan to kill like 2 necrons by the deceiver

[arctic talon]

||yeah its a giant terraformer engine that can put planets together and produce an entire biosphere from scratch||

Except ||there's also necrons after it||

[crystal forum]

the deceiver being behind literally everything

ah yes i planned for humanity to evolve since they were still tadpoles

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i demand more trazyn and orrikan romcom hijinks

[storm jungle]

Man that was so boring

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oi, that was the void dragon

[crystal forum]

i swear i read somewhere that the deceiver planned for abaddon to find the blackstone fortress

for no fucking reason

[storm jungle]

he didnt plan it

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they cant feed on the realm of souls as it is now, right?

[storm jungle]

he actively manipulated him during it

its from the Gothic War

[storm jungle]

Nope

Ctan hate the Warp

they prefer SUCCING in realspace

[crystal forum]

why is deceiver not deleted from canon he does NOTHING

[arctic talon]

its from the gothic war

yeah

[arctic talon]

becaeuse funny

[storm jungle]

^

hes a cunt

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stagnation of plot by him is legit a required thing, otherwise we get to an ending

[storm jungle]

also his most recent cuntery was in The Memefinite and the Cuckvine

leave him alone!!!!!!

[crystal forum]

stagnation of plot is 40k as a whole

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i want dante to kick him in the physical god dick next

[crystal forum]

make it kaldor draigo

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but my way we can get away with blaming him for dantes end of days vision

[crystal forum]

is there even a kaldor mini

[storm jungle]

Yes

you fucker

[crystal forum]

looks like shit

[storm jungle]

YOU LOOK LIKE SHIT

[crystal forum]

literally the most OP space marine in the setting

[storm jungle]

Oh my god its from 2011

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we will get a new one soonish im sure

[arctic talon]

Draigo is old yeah

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with the rift breaking his curse and all

[arctic talon]

Prolly next edition

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Grey_Knights

[arctic talon]

based on what the release schedule is like

one of the only perpetuals in the setting

[crystal forum]

is he still stuck in the warp

[storm jungle]

their "newest" mini being on 2021 and 2017 is CRAZY

[arctic talon]

literally pulls a celestine everyime he shows up

what did GW mean by this

[crystal forum]

grey knights having quasi emperor protection is funniest shit

[storm jungle]

they got the emperor's semen in them

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we will get him before custodes get de shortkinged, but after grey knights get tallificated

[storm jungle]

of course they'll have divine protection

i meant geneseed whoops

[dusk patrol]

In his defense he does have a pretty good plot reason why Cawl doesn’t have his Ark fully manned at that time, and it’s not like Cawl was expecting Bile to show up like he did

[crystal forum]

they're like if custodes touched grass

[storm jungle]

sorry chat

[dusk patrol]

But still

[storm jungle]

Yeah I had two friends read this book

and they both somehow asked the same question

"HOW did he go around freely"

[arctic talon]

a compilation of how Stern has died: mobbed by blue horrors, blown up by a lord of change, impaled by a keeper of secrets, blown up by Magnus

[storm jungle]

no CCTV???

[dusk patrol]

My biggest issue is how Primus has to be nerfed so hard to make Biles plan work

[sly ivy]

Always clenching 2 keep it in

[crystal forum]

dude i'd just retire

[arctic talon]

oh also he got backhanded by a Great unclean one and died

lol

[dusk patrol]

Bile just comes across as a dumbass who gets lucky

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iits just that one guy whos a douche, the others found him so annoying they made him guillimans mandatory straightman

[crystal forum]

i dont think magnus would make your dead quick

[arctic talon]

yeah ngl the ending part of the book

is the weakest

[dusk patrol]

I like the conversation

[arctic talon]

oh yeah no he literally got ripped apart lol

[storm jungle]

TO BE FAIR

[dusk patrol]

But he could have made it get there much easier

[storm jungle]

He is a dumbass who gets lucky

[arctic talon]

And then exploded

LOL

[storm jungle]

but ia gree it was a bit much

[dusk patrol]

True

[arctic talon]

Stern is like

fucking hilarious

[storm jungle]

I legit loved the interaction

[dusk patrol]

Just have him like

[arctic talon]

bro dies every time he shows up

[dusk patrol]

Bring a blank with him

[hasty coral]

https://tenor.com/view/backhand-hoodwinked-hoodwinked2-hd-meme-gif-24300706

[storm jungle]

yeah its so fixable

[arctic talon]

like thats such a shit time LOL

[crystal forum]

like a comedy duo i love it

[arctic talon]

Like imagine you know you're a perpetual

you'll come back when you die

[rose thorn]

how could they combine the best looking marines with the worst lore (again) (again)

[arctic talon]

but you pretty much die everytime you come back LOL

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tombone guy, whats his name

[hasty coral]

Bro did NOT deserve getting pieced up by an obese green giant

[arctic talon]

He's not related to the Heresy ones

[storm jungle]

read "pieced" as "piped" AUGH

[arctic talon]

hes just some random ass perpetual who got turned into a GK

who has the revive power

[crystal forum]

imagine he's just a perpetual because a chaos god likes watching him die

[arctic talon]

LOL

[hasty coral]

🤨

[storm jungle]

Honestly

relatable

[arctic talon]

Its implied a lord of change did it to him

[hasty coral]

Ayo

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

since like

The lord of change cursed him

while they were fighting

and then he got mobbed by the blue horrors LOL

[rose thorn]

Oh okay

[crystal forum]

i feel like making your enemy unkillable is not the best move

[hasty coral]

How durable ARE Great Unclean Ones exactly?

[arctic talon]

Depends on how much warp juice

[storm jungle]

Have you ever punched a fat person in the belly

imagine that

but bigger

aka a lot

[arctic talon]

I mean Stern is an enemy yeah, but whats he gona do

hes one dude

[crystal forum]

still a grey knight

[arctic talon]

his notable thing is he doesn't die lol

he's not gona 1v1 a lord of change

[hasty coral]

What’s like the biggest hit most of them could survive on average

[crystal forum]

does he get new armour every time he comes back

[storm jungle]

Just inclue the moment you punch said fat person your hand melts from daemonic acids and maggots jumping out of open sores on said stomach to kill you as you violently shart and melt to death

[arctic talon]

he revives with his armor somehow

[crystal forum]

like he has a wardrobe full of grey knight suits

[arctic talon]

similar to celestine

[dusk patrol]

About four

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except that perpetual grey knight did die,

[hasty coral]

Four

What?

[arctic talon]

did he perma die?

[rose thorn]

The greyknights are only 10 years old?!??

[arctic talon]

no

[dusk patrol]

Four

[storm jungle]

MAYBE some titan weaponry but it largely depends on the amount of juice its on

[rose thorn]

(The modern models)

[storm jungle]

daemons are kinda hard to power level

[rose thorn]

My bad

[storm jungle]

because they are all bullshit magic

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they explicitly are weaker and stronger based off a lot of stuff

[hasty coral]

SKARBRAND HATES PHYSICAL CONTACT

[arctic talon]

GK are from 3e

so like

[rose thorn]

i meant the models we use now

[arctic talon]

21 years old?

22?

oh

yeah

[crystal forum]

hadron stfu

[arctic talon]

Fuck you hadron

[hasty coral]

Goofy ahh

[dusk patrol]

Abominable intelligence

[arctic talon]

Because as far as I'm aware stern came back and then died to Magnus

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Anval Thawn, died permanently fighting the Doom of Malan'tai

[arctic talon]

during the psychic awakening stuff

[rose thorn]

I THOUGHT THEY WERE LIEK 15 YAERS OLD

it must be the paitnjob

[hasty coral]

Could it be said that the Chaos Gods are in a constant state of tweaking?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[arctic talon]

when was this lore written?

[storm jungle]

yes

[hasty coral]

[rose thorn]

they cant look that chunky

[arctic talon]

because like

he came back to life in psychic awakening

to get bodied by Magnus

[storm jungle]

Im sorry but

[arctic talon]

which happened in 2020

[remote widget]

5 years ago was the most recent mention on reddit i saw

[storm jungle]

Psychic Awakening doesnt exist

so

[arctic talon]

okay so this is newer

[dusk patrol]

It had good models at least

[arctic talon]

he's alive

[hasty coral]

Cancer patients and some giant fucking toads murdered each other so hard the spirits of nature started tweaking the fuck out

[arctic talon]

Somehow

[storm jungle]

I guess.... 💀

[rose thorn]

oh hey the worst warhammer event ever

[storm jungle]

LOL

BE NICE

[crystal forum]

what if 40k does a magic age shit like D&D did

[storm jungle]

actually nvm fuck it

it was DOGSHIT

[crystal forum]

like for one edition everything is magic

[dusk patrol]

I’d agree it’s a bad one

[arctic talon]

4e was cool

smh

[dusk patrol]

Idk about worst

[rose thorn]

THEY ADDED LIKE 4 MODELS AND ONE OF THEM GOT DUMPED THIS EDITION

[storm jungle]

what sucks is literally NOTHING happens

[dusk patrol]

But it’s bad

[arctic talon]

Its def not the worst

[remote widget]

wonder if you could get a custodes or psyker perpetual

[arctic talon]

but its bad yeah lol

[storm jungle]

Ghaz and Ragnar fought

okay cool

[dusk patrol]

End Times I think is the worst

[arctic talon]

Stern is a perpetual + psyker

[storm jungle]

Planet of the Sorceror heist

[crystal forum]

custodes perpetual would be boring

[storm jungle]

cool

[dusk patrol]

For its overall thing

[crystal forum]

also grey knights are psykers

[hasty coral]

I hate to be THAT guy

But isn’t that pretty normal for 40k?

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[arctic talon]

well

not for campaign books

[dusk patrol]

Depends

[hasty coral]

[storm jungle]

you can be in a state of nothing while having good writing

[arctic talon]

those usually have a resolution in them

of sorts

[dusk patrol]

Psychic Awakening was a weird time

[storm jungle]

the problem is P-Awakening does nothing of this

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ah i guess im not shaking things up for a while...

[arctic talon]

psychic awakening had like 2 total plot lines resolved

LOL

[storm jungle]

its just a string of events that dont matter

[dusk patrol]

It has cool ideas but

[storm jungle]

(you usuall ykeep this shit for books)

[arctic talon]

which was the Bile stuff

[rose thorn]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2020/02/warhammer-40k-ranking-the-psychic-awakening-character-models.html

[arctic talon]

and uh

[rose thorn]

heres all the added models

[arctic talon]

the Ynnari stuff

[dusk patrol]

I think they were in middle of figuring stuff out

[arctic talon]

that was all that was resolved

[crystal forum]

the already unkillable guy becoming unkillable

[rose thorn]

pls gw ill buy plastic if you give ynnari lore

[dusk patrol]

No

[rose thorn]

i wanna be the necromancer elves

but there is nothing

[hasty coral]

Wait here is a good question

Does Khrone even REMEMBER himself before the warp got fucked up?

[dusk patrol]

You’re getting basically all the Phoenix lords

Be happy

[remote widget]

stuck at the palace for 10k years reading, prepping

[arctic talon]

hey psychic awakening did one good thing

[hasty coral]

Because like theoretically

[arctic talon]

It gave us this art

GK chaplain

[dusk patrol]

Hopefully they’ll fight Fulgrim

[crystal forum]

they literally already do that

[arctic talon]

[hasty coral]

All demons were like THERE in the warp before it was the warp

[rose thorn]

I CANT USE THEM IN YNNARI

[hasty coral]

So like

[dusk patrol]

Who?

[hasty coral]

Wait doesn’t the mechanical demon guy know about the War in Heaven?

[rose thorn]

pheonix lords

[remote widget]

are shinobi like gone gone

[dusk patrol]

Is this the same thing as Inwit?

[rose thorn]

you arnet allowed to use them in a ynnari army

[dusk patrol]

What’s a “Ynnari?”

[arctic talon]

Sensei?

yeah

[hasty coral]

What’s his face again?

[arctic talon]

they're RT lore

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t sound real

[hasty coral]

That robot demon dude

[arctic talon]

vashtor

he got woken up

[storm jungle]

Shinobi

I CANT

[arctic talon]

by the Necron biotransference

[hasty coral]

Yeah doesn’t he make fun of Abbadon for not knowing about the war in heaven?

[arctic talon]

don't tell Ynnari fans this

[dusk patrol]

Seems fake

[hasty coral]

So wait

[arctic talon]

but I don't actually like Ynnari that much

[hasty coral]

How much DO demons know?

[rose thorn]

that fucking cat has more models than ynnari models

[hasty coral]

About their nature and birth, etc

[dusk patrol]

The downside of the Ynnari is they all aren’t dead

But no, I hope we get some resolution but I want them to be like

[crystal forum]

dont worry we'll get dark eldar stuff when khan comes back

[hasty coral]

Like most demons were like IN the warp before it was the warp so

[dusk patrol]

Their own thing more

[rose thorn]

people must agree because our rule sare dog water!!!!

[dusk patrol]

Not just a kitchen soup faction

[hasty coral]

So like does Khrone remember when he WASN’T Khrone?

[rose thorn]

either be their own thing or be a soup faction PICK ONE

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as i said, shinobi

[rose thorn]

GW