40k-lore-chat

[summer mural]

isnt their a planet of tarzan like wood elves

[storm jungle]

tho they arent explored as much

[summer mural]

exodites yeah

[storm jungle]

Uhhh kinda, its just "lush"

[rocky gale]

They lack the racist tree aspect though

[storm jungle]

because the world-spirit sof their planet gives the worlds life

[arctic talon]

They don't have racist trees

or racist dinosaurs

[storm jungle]

LOL

That we know of

https://tenor.com/view/frog-and-dino-frog-dino-dance-dance-battle-gif-16248111

[rose thorn]

Are we talking about AOS?

[storm jungle]

No 40k

[queen laurel]

we were talking about fantasy

[arctic talon]

AoS def has racist trees

lol

[rose thorn]

Where the hell did y’all get racist trees from

[queen laurel]

i only brought up the wood funny people

[arctic talon]

Wood elf -> Exodite

[rose thorn]

Exactly

[queen laurel]

Durthu

[arctic talon]

pipeline

[storm jungle]

Durthu

[rocky gale]

First exodite book we get will establish that the dinosaurs are very racist

[queen laurel]

same wavelength you and i

[arctic talon]

Durthu is tree hitler

[storm jungle]

we cannot express this enough

[rose thorn]

She’s STILL hyper racist

[arctic talon]

thats a different one

[rocky gale]

That’s Drycha

[arctic talon]

she's not enough of a hater

[rocky gale]

She’s also tree hitler

[summer mural]

sounds like the perfect place to send the catachans , the exodite planets that is

[dusk patrol]

Also racist

[queen laurel]

how about Drycha

[arctic talon]

Drycha is just omega racist

[summer mural]

drycha is too smol

[dusk patrol]

But not as much of a racist

[queen laurel]

OK female tree Hitler

[arctic talon]

the planet will kill them on purpose

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

so not much of a difference from catachan

LOL

[storm jungle]

LOL

[summer mural]

LOL

[storm jungle]

yeah

[rose thorn]

Her soul got split up in AOS and uts still fueled by hatred and racism

[arctic talon]

but Maiden worlds get angry

[summer mural]

is that durthu

[arctic talon]

no

[summer mural]

he looks less, treeish

[arctic talon]

wait no

that one is Durthu

[storm jungle]

its him

[arctic talon]

whoops

[storm jungle]

lots of amber

[rose thorn]

Spirit of durthu

[summer mural]

yeah durthu has the amber sword thing

[arctic talon]

one day he'll be reunified

and become mega racist tree hitler

once more

I can't continue this joke

[storm jungle]

only the wood master race

[arctic talon]

actually

or else I might be sent to hell

[rose thorn]

he got split up by hot tree lady because he kept causing wars against humans

[summer mural]

imagine if greasus just uses durthu as kindling to cook lunch

[storm jungle]

he'd definitely get skewered

[rocky gale]

Favourite aspect of Sylvaneth is that Alariel decided maybe they needed some racism and brought Dryca back to life with a kick ass treemechsuit

[storm jungle]

so uh

prob not the best idea

Durthu is fucking massive

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[summer mural]

alariel brought drycha back to life?

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

[rose thorn]

AND THEN EXILED HER

ITS SO FUNNY

[arctic talon]

Drycha got brought back as a distraction

tbf

[rocky gale]

She made Mrs Mechatreehitler

[arctic talon]

and she did do that

until she started killing a bunch of other order people

[summer mural]

alarielles got too much time living in whats practically the garden of eden

[arctic talon]

and then she became an issue LOL

[rose thorn]

She also murdered Kurnoth

[arctic talon]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Drycha is

[rose thorn]

And scattered his corpse across the realms

[arctic talon]

on meth still

yet another Kuronathi L

tree mechahitler

[storm jungle]

god love that model

also boobs

[summer mural]

thats a fast lookin tree

[rose thorn]

Big A trying to make piece while also reviving plant hitler every week

[rose thorn]

BEEEEES

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

why does khorne like bronze

[storm jungle]

uhhh

[dapper gyro]

Boobs and tentacles goin.

[storm jungle]

because bronze = fire = rage

[rose thorn]

Rome reference

[summer mural]

oh rome reference

[arctic talon]

out of universe we don't know

in universe we also don't know

[summer mural]

I thought twas a big brass balls thing

[arctic talon]

since the original reasoning got sent to the retconian

[rose thorn]

I think it’s brass

[arctic talon]

because it was too human centric

Brass is Khorne yeah

[rose thorn]

My guess was the brass bull, brass knuckles, brass what ever

[arctic talon]

its why its called the Greater Brass Scorpion

[storm jungle]

it could basically be any form of "its cool"

because even Khorne's name was just a play on Crom from Conan

[summer mural]

brass collars too

[queen laurel]

ah Alariele i sure do appreciate you putting 2 murder machines on the realms

[arctic talon]

Put this shit in AoS on god

[rose thorn]

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT AHAHAHAHAHA

[storm jungle]

my favorite transformer

[summer mural]

that scorpion doesnt look v brass

[rose thorn]

SHE REVIVED ANOTHER GENOCIDE DEMI GOD

ON ACCIDENt

[dapper gyro]

Look like my old fountain pen

[storm jungle]

REAL

[summer mural]

alith anar?

[rose thorn]

Nah Kragnos

He was trapped in a mountain for genociding his own race and dragons

[queen laurel]

Kragnos the end of empires and god of earthquakes

[summer mural]

seems like he got off light

[rose thorn]

And then big A accidentally played a song that made him stronger

[summer mural]

is that aos?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[summer mural]

I havent gotten into aos yet

[queen laurel]

yes

[rose thorn]

He was trapped before the entire setting existed

Which spans from 300 to 10,000 years

[summer mural]

I cant just jump past end times, I have to do another 10 years of penance for reading that shit before I get into aos

[rose thorn]

What’s your favorite fantasy trope/race and I’ll tell you a book

[summer mural]

across anything?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

yeah what warhammer race do you like

[summer mural]

dark gothic fantasy shit

[rose thorn]

Or non warhammer

AOS has alot of races

And more factions then 40K

[summer mural]

I like undead and dwarves usually

seperately

[rose thorn]

What kind of undead

[storm jungle]

Oh man if you like undead you'll love the ones in AOS lol

[summer mural]

necromancers, deathknights kinda thing

[storm jungle]

YEP

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

we got a Ossiarch man

[queen laurel]

ossiarch this runt @rose thorn

[rose thorn]

OSSIARCH OSSIARCH

Let me get the book

[queen laurel]

this is what we are talking about by the way

[rose thorn]

The Vulture Lord by Richard Strachan

[queen laurel]

the elite skeletons of

nagash

[summer mural]

thats very nagashy

yes nagash

[storm jungle]

good news, Nagash has never stopped being a piece of shit

[rose thorn]

He chilled for a bit

[summer mural]

nagash is a bit of a self made god by this point no?

[queen laurel]

me becoming a good person but since sigmar is busy I watch us nagash is getting ready to molest me

[rose thorn]

He murdered all the other gods of death and ate their souls

[storm jungle]

^

[summer mural]

oh

[rocky gale]

Can’t wait until we get a flesh eater court PoV novel and it’s just the most schizo book ever made

[storm jungle]

Hes still the same as he was in Fantasy, an oppoturnistic cunt

[summer mural]

aos giving nagash love

[rose thorn]

There’s only 3 known gods of death that survived

[storm jungle]

He also destroyed the setting almost again

then the skaven ruined it

again

for the 4th time in warhammer history

[rose thorn]

One of them is literlaly the god of people drowning to death

[storm jungle]

LOL

[summer mural]

oh good skaven are in aos

[rose thorn]

Skaventide is a very very good book

Worth a read

[storm jungle]

Yeah AOS is high fantasy at its core but has a lot of WHF/low fantasy elements.

[queen laurel]

he rules Shyish, the realm of death

[summer mural]

skaven are probably my fav race in fantasy, I just like the amount of characters and detail and skavenblight and stuff they got

you got everything from comical body horror experimentation to nukes to moon shenanigans and ninjas

[rose thorn]

Good news they got a huge huge update

[queen laurel]

umm FUCKING AWESOME

[summer mural]

damn

a ratling gun on steroids

[rose thorn]

Mhm

[rose thorn]

Very much worth a look on the warhammer store

[summer mural]

I think skaven could be put in 40k exactly as they are

not that they should be

[rose thorn]

Along side Ossiarch soulblight and night haunt

[summer mural]

what is ossiarch

[rose thorn]

^

[summer mural]

is it the name of the coffin?

[rose thorn]

Oh sorry I wasn’t responding to the 40K message

[rose thorn]

Ossairch is the name of the AOS faction and race

The skeleton taxmen

[queen laurel]

The faction

[summer mural]

oh its a race?!

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

they are called the Ossiarch Bonereapers

[summer mural]

lemme look em up

[rose thorn]

They are honestly necromancy robots, their bones and souls are magically altered and sitched together to be the perfect machines of war

They are nagash’s only mentally stable army

[summer mural]

apparently they actually existed in fantasy, but were dormant or something

[queen laurel]

nah they were dormant but nagash only put them under like cities or old buildings or some stuff like that

[rose thorn]

It was mainly him experimenting

[summer mural]

dope model

[rose thorn]

Very dope

[rose thorn]

This guy is the leader of the Ossiarch

[summer mural]

katakros?

[rose thorn]

Yess

Leader of the ossairch

[summer mural]

they remind me of tomb kings in concept

but better models

way better

[rose thorn]

YESSS

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/fVyO-0fL31U?si=7aVCL3YoKyfpRfZ_ i actually have a video that can get you into them easy

[summer mural]

thanks

[queen laurel]

The edition has moved on but since they haven't really done anything it should still hold up

in the gameplay section though they are completely different of course

in the lore section this is mostly up to date

[rose thorn]

Homebrew wise each legion defined by the letter given to them by Nagash and what bones they prefer

Nagash personally wrote a letter for every legion to define their purpose and goals

And bones of different creatures hold different properties

[queen laurel]

yeah for example monster bones that are giant are good for buildings

[rose thorn]

One only accepts the bones of wizards so they are naturally resistant and have stronger magic

[summer mural]

where does aos take place? like is it the same continent post apocalypse as fantasy or does it all take place somewhere else

[queen laurel]

human dwarf or elf bones are perfect for making warriors

[rose thorn]

Post apocalypse mortal realms

[summer mural]

right

[dusk patrol]

Multiversal thing kinda

Lots of realms

[summer mural]

right, because I see a lot more other 'realms' mentioned here and there, like the spirit ones like hyish

[dusk patrol]

Each one is vast largely

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah the multiverse exists in AOS but it’s mainly a chaos thing

[dusk patrol]

So they don’t get stuck in the issue Old World had of being a set map

[queen laurel]

it takes place in multiple realms

[rose thorn]

(Also each realm has slowly been growing)

[crystal forum]

as long as a multiverse isn't used as an excuse for plot holes i'm ok with it existing

[summer mural]

is there like a main one? mortal realms? like midgard type

[dusk patrol]

And you can have major cities fall but it not really matter for the realm as a whole

[crystal forum]

but holy shit it's so hard to find well written multiverses

[queen laurel]

well no

every single realms is a different place

[rose thorn]

Azyr is the realm of heaven where sigmar locked his door and hid from chaos with his loyal followers

[queen laurel]

yeah but the most heavenly is azyr

[summer mural]

so they all invade each others realms?

[queen laurel]

it's literally so pure it doesn't have a chaos corruption

[crystal forum]

does aos better explain what happens to the souls of plebs when they die

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of cross realm hopping and invading yeah

[queen laurel]

they end up with nagash or sigmar makes them into a storm cast if they are working

for humans anyway

[dusk patrol]

It’s complicated yeah

[rose thorn]

It’s mainly for the fact that archon has personally conquered many universes

[summer mural]

so for example, orks have their own realm they inhabit and they just kinda raid everywhere else?

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the faction

[crystal forum]

i always disliked how poorly fleshed out chaos is in 40k

[rose thorn]

No they live in every realm

[summer mural]

hm

[rose thorn]

Each realm is an ‘element’

[summer mural]

I gotta look into it more, how the races are organized on the 'map' as it were

[arctic talon]

The realms correspond to a wind of magic

from WHFB

[rose thorn]

Usually they started in a realm and spread outward

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re not like

One thing generally

[rose thorn]

And have people everywhere

[arctic talon]

also round Realmers exist

The realms are flat

[dusk patrol]

They share a lot of factions

[crystal forum]

are there infinite multiverses in aos

[queen laurel]

they are called Orruks here and not really they are basically everywhere besides azyr and you know go around destroying stuff but their favorite realm to live in is the realm of beasts, Ghur

[rose thorn]

I, don’t know

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really relevant

It’s a throwaway line

[rose thorn]

I think it’s like literally different galaxies

[dusk patrol]

Mostly with Archon

[rose thorn]

But yeah

[summer mural]

also someone told me gotrek ascended to literal godhood

[crystal forum]

ah

[arctic talon]

yeah gotrek became a God

[rose thorn]

Yeah and he’s a bitch

[arctic talon]

well

mostly a god

[dusk patrol]

He did

[arctic talon]

He doesn't want to be a God

LOL

[dusk patrol]

Him and Sigmar had a falling out

Like everyone and Sigmar

[summer mural]

its a tragic ending, if he becomes a god he really cant fulfill his slayer oath

[arctic talon]

Sugmar dick

[dusk patrol]

Sigmar is bad at keeping friends

[summer mural]

its also hilarious

[crystal forum]

it's just when villains go like "i will conquer/destroy all the multiverse" even though there's literally infinity amount

[dusk patrol]

Nagash is a prissy bitch

[queen laurel]

Do not tell bro about archaeon

[arctic talon]

Nagash is literally the prissiest bitch of all the Gods

and I love him for it

[rose thorn]

To get into AOS I suggest 2+ tough’s videos

[summer mural]

yes

I do need an intro after the end times apocalypse

[dusk patrol]

They all suck in their own ways but Nagash is just so petty

[rose thorn]

They are great and he gives an explanation of why something would be cool to someone, flaws, and how stories can continue and hook on

[arctic talon]

Nagash on his way to torment some woman for eternity because she didn't pray to him

[rose thorn]

He reads AOS like a book club it’s pretty great

[rose thorn]

Night haunt my beloved

[arctic talon]

actually

[summer mural]

how many of the characters became gods

did grimgor become gork

or mork

[arctic talon]

Grimgor fucking died

💀

[summer mural]

lmao

[rose thorn]

All of the writer’s favorites from old world

[arctic talon]

He has a spiritual sucessor

[summer mural]

grimgar?

[arctic talon]

Gordrakk the fist of Gork

who inexplicably hates Archeon

for some reason

[queen laurel]

Na h Gork and Mork just fused and became Gorkamorka

[arctic talon]

I wonder why

[summer mural]

wants to kick him in the nuts eh?

[arctic talon]

Gorkamorka then broke apart

[queen laurel]

When they aren't really doing anything they split up and fight each other

[arctic talon]

yeah pretty much LOL

[rose thorn]

OH are we talking about reincarnation?

[queen laurel]

But they can fuse when you know everything is going well for them

[rose thorn]

Some characters are believed to be reincarnations of old world characters

[arctic talon]

how Gordrak might be Grimgor

yeah

[summer mural]

so karl franz is perma dead im assuming, the man had a truly horrible death

[queen laurel]

My favorite faction the ironjaws

[arctic talon]

Karl Franz

is heavily implied to be The Celestant Prime

[rose thorn]

Celestant prime

Of the stormcast eternals

Or he’s uh

[summer mural]

jeez

[rose thorn]

Gold guy

[summer mural]

gelt?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

I think gelt’s soul specifically helped design the stormcasts?

[summer mural]

Gelt becoming a god

[queen laurel]

Now that's balthas aram

[summer mural]

disgusting.

[rose thorn]

No his soul was just reforged

[queen laurel]

Nah he's just a storm cast

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Fuck me update his model

[arctic talon]

most humans got sotrmcasted

[dusk patrol]

Please GW

[summer mural]

those are the new hoomies?

[rose thorn]

PLEASEEEE

[arctic talon]

Stormcast are like

Order Chaos Warriors

[summer mural]

they seem ..upgraded from old hoomies

[dusk patrol]

They are kinda

[summer mural]

like they look like they got space marine upgrades

[arctic talon]

the Cities of Sigmar

are like

[rose thorn]

Stormcast eternals, sigmar’s chosen warriors. With blood of thunder

[arctic talon]

comparable or greater technology wise

compared to the empire

[queen laurel]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Balthas_Arum @summer mural

This guy is gelt

[summer mural]

yeah

[rose thorn]

They wanted to make a faction for new players so they made the stormcast eternals

[summer mural]

lot of gelt references in there

[rose thorn]

Luckily stormcasts have all of the pros of space marines with a lot less cons

[arctic talon]

Cities of Sigmar gaming

[rose thorn]

Stormcasts eternally suffer from rebirth

[queen laurel]

for example they can have sex

[arctic talon]

Stormcast are more like custodes/Thunder warriors

tbh

then marines

[rose thorn]

Yeah but as strong as marines

And have

[summer mural]

so there are still regular humans?

like farmers and shit

[dusk patrol]

Not really but kinda

[queen laurel]

yes

[rose thorn]

Their souls were reforged with lighting but yeha

[queen laurel]

he's talking about normal humans

in like cities of sigmar

[dusk patrol]

They’re enhanced to some degree but their big thing is they keep coming back

[rose thorn]

Sigmar chooses people who died in a way he would be like “yeha I want him alive again”

[summer mural]

i heard they dont die exactly

yeah

hence the eternals

[rose thorn]

Every time a stormcast dies their souls is reforged

[rose thorn]

Until we got the ruination chamber

[arctic talon]

plenty yeah

[queen laurel]

These guys are the normal humans

[tough haven]

Yeah but like if I gave them Thor power and slowly erased their memories until they become nothing but a tool of war that I can tell to go kill people

[rose thorn]

Who are stormcasts that died too many times and now their soul is a literal sliver

[arctic talon]

Least deranged Dawnbringer Crusade procession

[dusk patrol]

They originally seemed to imply they could be made from elves and dwarves too but we don’t see that as far as I’m aware

[rose thorn]

My favorite was the one from black talon

[summer mural]

so do they die of old age?

[arctic talon]

Stormcast no

[dusk patrol]

No but

[arctic talon]

normal humans yeah

[dusk patrol]

They lose their minds

[arctic talon]

^

They get dementia

[summer mural]

also whos the leader of the faction? is that franz?

[dusk patrol]

They become husks

[arctic talon]

Stormcast?

Franz

[summer mural]

playable character type leader

[arctic talon]

technically

[summer mural]

yes

[arctic talon]

He's the one directly below Sugmar

*sigmar

[dusk patrol]

Yeah he’s basically the avatar of Sigmar

[rose thorn]

Literally within view of the gate of the city the dawnbringer crusade got wiped out by nurgle

[arctic talon]

I need to stop saying Sugmar LOL

[dusk patrol]

He uses Ghal Maraz

[queen laurel]

Franz

[summer mural]

jesus

[rose thorn]

And sigmar

[summer mural]

I mean

literally

[rose thorn]

And the council

[dusk patrol]

Probably Franz*

Also fuck me update that model ugh

[summer mural]

wheres louen, the actual best human leader in fantasy

[dusk patrol]

Fuck if we know

[summer mural]

well, he did die a glorious death ig

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/TV7AWBYMJ1A?si=KzEYD-KuvJKeilqT

[summer mural]

unlike franz

[arctic talon]

he might have been shoved into a stormcast

or he might just be dead

[dusk patrol]

Franz died too

[arctic talon]

who the fuck knows

[dusk patrol]

But either way their both probably

[arctic talon]

We know that the survivors from Haven

[dusk patrol]

Not really there anymore

[rose thorn]

The council contains
Celestant prime
Cryptborn
The twin dragons
A hot hunter lady sociopath
An nonbinary person with ptsd and photographic memory
And some more I can’t remember

[arctic talon]

made their way to AoS

[summer mural]

dark elves and high elves in aos?

[arctic talon]

Cities of Sigmar

[rose thorn]

Yes

[arctic talon]

unless we're talking about like

the Lumineth and

Malerions shadow elf creature things

[rose thorn]

Also daughters of khaine and lumineth

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

And idoneth

[queen laurel]

Basically every old world version of the dwarves and elves lives with the cities of Sgmart

there are new versions for those guys in AOS

[rose thorn]

Also elves are comedically evil in AOS

They are worse then chaos alot of the time

[arctic talon]

Cow Elves

[summer mural]

malekith ascended to godhood im assuming

[rose thorn]

My second favorite eugenics faction

[arctic talon]

Yep

[summer mural]

so did tyrion/teclis?

[arctic talon]

he became a horrifying shadowy creature

yeah Tyrion and teclis ascended

Tyrion is blinded still

Teclis became uh

Elf eugenecist

hitler

[rose thorn]

Yes teclis rules the Neo Nazi elves

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

what faction does Mali boy manage

[arctic talon]

Teclis did not have a good time

in AoS

LOL

[rose thorn]

LMAO Yeah

[summer mural]

well, teclis kinda was a mess by the end anyway

[arctic talon]

his creepy ass shadow elves

[dusk patrol]

He was always a mess smh

He was an Elf

[summer mural]

he didnt have a pleasant death either

[rose thorn]

He created like 5 elf races and mentally fucked then up every time

[arctic talon]

Teclis decided to double down

LOL

[queen laurel]

ah

[rose thorn]

Except the last one

[queen laurel]

i see

[rose thorn]

After the lumineth he stopped making elves

[arctic talon]

Unclear if Malerion is even considered an Elf anymore

tbh

considering he's like

[summer mural]

malerion is malekith?

[arctic talon]

Yes

They changed Malikeths name

including in Old World

[rose thorn]

Is he the one that fucked his mom?

[summer mural]

I should just watch a video explaining the aos setting

[arctic talon]

YES

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

he did in fact fuck his mom

[summer mural]

morathi better be gone forever tbh

[arctic talon]

in WHFB

[arctic talon]

she came back

[summer mural]

of course

[arctic talon]

and she fucked up

AGAIN

[summer mural]

[rose thorn]

She’s also sexist Neo Nazi cult leader

[arctic talon]

she's not racist

I think

she's just extremely psycopathic

[summer mural]

morathi is a snake now?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[summer mural]

nice

[arctic talon]

She wasn't reborn as a full god

[rose thorn]

She murdered all the humans in anvilguard and took over the city

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[arctic talon]

much to her anger LOL

[queen laurel]

she absorbed khaine

[arctic talon]

Not entierly

[queen laurel]

and now she's basically a snake lady god of war

[rose thorn]

Of murder specifically

[arctic talon]

but Morathi got mad she wasn't a full god so she decided to poke around slaanesh for some power

[summer mural]

hmm

[arctic talon]

and accidently loosened the bonds on slaanesh

[summer mural]

thorgrim? grombrindal? ungrim?

[arctic talon]

whoops

[rose thorn]

Oh yeahhh and also released the incest Slaanesh elves

[arctic talon]

Thorgrim is dead

[rose thorn]

Who joined her army

[arctic talon]

as far as we know

grombrindal survived

somehow

[summer mural]

OH YEAH, what happened to the fuckin lizards

[dusk patrol]

Morathi is lucky that Nagash exists otherwise she’d be the number one prissy diva in the realms.

[arctic talon]

they landed

[dusk patrol]

Space ships

[arctic talon]

they're fuckin everywhere now

[summer mural]

last I remember they took off in actual spaceships and fucked off

[arctic talon]

well

not everywhere

[rose thorn]

Them and the skaven are the only two factions that survived old world

[arctic talon]

but they're around

LOL

[summer mural]

all the cool lizards are probably dead forever then

like mazdamundi

and krog gar

[arctic talon]

Kroak lived

And the uh

[summer mural]

kroak lives?!

[arctic talon]

well yeah

[dusk patrol]

Lord Kroak is eternal

[arctic talon]

its kroak

[queen laurel]

Grombrindal and Gotrek as far as we know is basically the only old world dwarves left

[celest dome]

'lived'

[rose thorn]

They have their souls and use them to recreate shit

It’s weird

[summer mural]

kroak has officially survived everything then

[arctic talon]

also funnily enough

the lizards terraform stuff

and give the Skaven genetic ptsd

from Lustria

[rose thorn]

Oh he’s not the one with the sexy skink wife

[summer mural]

oh man, kroak be ballin

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

the what

[dusk patrol]

We’re moving on from AoS

[summer mural]

he looks ready to call down some meteors

[dusk patrol]

He do stuff like that

[summer mural]

oxyotl

[rose thorn]

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/cdn/shop/files/21703-EI3L1-Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Seraphon-Slann-Starmaster.jpg?v=1718741578&width=750

[queen laurel]

He is basically the most powerful wizard in AOS

[dusk patrol]

Mag

Get some help

[rose thorn]

ITS NOT MY FAULR BLAME MY SKINK PLAYER

[queen laurel]

borderline a magical god

[summer mural]

he was the most powerful wizard in fantasy too iirc

technically.

[queen laurel]

yes

[dusk patrol]

Yeah probably

[rose thorn]

I know nothing of seraphon so I can only meme

[celest dome]

New lore put him as 2nd iirc, for Fantasy

[dusk patrol]

He had some wild feats by the end

[summer mural]

whos first? nagash?

[queen laurel]

well who the **** is first then

[celest dome]

Dragon Emperor

[summer mural]

morathi?

oh

right

[celest dome]

from Cathay

[dusk patrol]

Pfft

[summer mural]

i never considered dragon emperor a character, but sure

[queen laurel]

the cathay runt?

[summer mural]

fair enough

[dusk patrol]

The guy who got clapped by Grimgor?

[arctic talon]

Dragon Emperor is a non character

[queen laurel]

welp

[arctic talon]

he didn't even fight Grimgor LOL

[rose thorn]

https://youtube.com/@2tough?si=FqkmwZaJLhD7yOTr

Here’s the channel

[arctic talon]

he just fucked off with his wife

[rose thorn]

It’s wonderful

[arctic talon]

and I think he left his kids to die

[dusk patrol]

Pathetic

[arctic talon]

don't quote me on that

[rose thorn]

AOS is THE rule of cool system

[arctic talon]

I don't think he took the Dragon children with him

[queen laurel]

I love grimgor but no he definitely just left

[dusk patrol]

Kroak meanwhile saved the world

[arctic talon]

when he left LOL

[dusk patrol]

Same difference

[rose thorn]

You can bring 30 units of birds

[celest dome]

Don't think we've been told what happened to the Dragon kids

[summer mural]

what feats of magic does the dragon emperor have over kroak

[rose thorn]

You can make a cool themed list of horse riding elves

[arctic talon]

assuming cathay folded like a paper towel uh

idfk

[dusk patrol]

I assume we’ll get a Cathy expansion to AoS when we get the Cathay stuff for Old World

[summer mural]

cathay did fold under grimgor pretty fast iirc

so did the ogres

[celest dome]

Basically none that we know, it's on par with all the rest of the Cathay lore

[arctic talon]

Sylvaneth are funny in AoS because they're elves sorta

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it’s just all off screen

[arctic talon]

but they're like weirdly durable

[dusk patrol]

The Greentide was wild though

[arctic talon]

Endtimes moment

lol

[dusk patrol]

We largely don't get to see much Greentide stuff

[queen laurel]

i mean they are magical wood

[arctic talon]

yeah

[summer mural]

yeah its just " grimgor destroyed ogres and cathay and hes coming back"

[queen laurel]

so i expect them to be tough

[arctic talon]

Also Grimgor like

killed all the chorfs

lol

[celest dome]

Cathay mostly was destroyed by Tzeentchain cultist

[dusk patrol]

Just "And then Grimgor killed this greenskin leader and took all their dudes"

[celest dome]

Blue Hand iirc

[summer mural]

grimgor destroyed the east

[dusk patrol]

"And then he killed this faction we don't care to write an ending for"

Then he gets teleported to the final fight and dies.

[queen laurel]

Archeaon literally had to release the demon in his sword to win right

[arctic talon]

I forgor

[dusk patrol]

He shattered the eye on his helmet.

[summer mural]

he did at some point

[arctic talon]

I've tried to mentally forget

as much End Times as possible

[queen laurel]

yeah fair

[summer mural]

idr which fight

[celest dome]

Wasn't that in Storm of Chaos and not the ET ?

[summer mural]

it was actually

you are correct

bad memories

[queen laurel]

no storm of chaos was the one where he sneaked in and kicked archie in the nuts

[summer mural]

shudders

[dusk patrol]

They fought in both.

[summer mural]

they fought in end times?

idr

i just remember the nutkicking

[dusk patrol]

Grimgor got killed in the End Times but he weakened him a lot.

[queen laurel]

yeah the storm of chaos archaeon delivered The Nutcracker special

[dusk patrol]

Which let uh...well they still lost but it helped I guess.

[summer mural]

grimgor lived the best greenskin life, his death was acceptable, he rampaged across 3 kingdoms successfully

[queen laurel]

i mean it literally took archaon having to release the demon on his sword to win so

i would say he put up a good fight

[dusk patrol]

He did pretty good

Archaon had some heavy plot armor by the end there.

[celest dome]

Wasn't there rumours of Grimgor 'coming back' in AoS ?

[dusk patrol]

Fuck I hate End Times.

[summer mural]

same

[celest dome]

Like with a Rogue Idol or something

[summer mural]

so vampires are a thing in aos?

[celest dome]

Yes

[summer mural]

grimgor coming back as a rogue idol..LMAO

[queen laurel]

nah I don't think so Gordrakk it's basically the fist of gork

[celest dome]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vampire

[queen laurel]

he's grimgor but somehow more reasonable and smart

[summer mural]

so vampires are being run by whom?

a von carstein?

neferata?

nagash?

[queen laurel]

every faction of death is ruled by nagesh

[summer mural]

oh I see

[celest dome]

There is no overall leader of Vampire kind other than Nagash

Ushoran is leading his own faction iirc

[queen laurel]

in AOS they are called the soul blight grave lords

[summer mural]

I figured nagash would exterminate the vampires

[arctic talon]

Well he wants to

[summer mural]

but thats a fantasy thing i guess

[arctic talon]

They’re too useful for now

[queen laurel]

yeah my favorite death faction the Flesh eater Courts

[arctic talon]

But he’s going to

They’re on his To Genocide list

[summer mural]

chaos divided is still around?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[summer mural]

I assume archaon is doing undivided

[queen laurel]

yeah they're called slaves of darkness

[celest dome]

Chaos Divided are the various Monogod groups

[queen laurel]

undivided

[arctic talon]

That’s undivided only

[summer mural]

they still got the usual chaos things? bloodletters and plaguebearers etc

[arctic talon]

Yep

[queen laurel]

yes i corrected myself

[celest dome]

Maggotkin of Nurgle

[queen laurel]

yeah the grand alliance of chaos has you know the classics

[celest dome]

Disciples of Tzentch

Blades of Khorne

[queen laurel]

blades of khorne

[celest dome]

Duno for Slaanesh

[queen laurel]

Hedonites of Slannesh

[summer mural]

so monogods are basically the sameish across 40k, fantasy and aos

interesting

[queen laurel]

and of course skaven

[celest dome]

Not really for Fantasy

[queen laurel]

the beast men are also there but they got wiped from existence

[summer mural]

good

fuck taurox and khazrak

[celest dome]

They really were just Chaos Warrior but shaded blue/green/red/pink-purplish

[summer mural]

well you had the samish daemons too

[celest dome]

Deamon are indeed shared

but Mortals aren't for the most part

[summer mural]

but yeah 40k got marines and hellbrutes true

[queen laurel]

yeah they are nice

[summer mural]

are skaven more verminlord like

[celest dome]

In what way

[summer mural]

well

what are skaven like in aos

[celest dome]

Somewhat of a continuation of their End Time form

[summer mural]

given that theres realms and they dont have undercities across most of the continent

or maybe they have undercities across the realms now I dunno

[queen laurel]

for example a putrid blightking and a Bloodwarrior

[celest dome]

They have Gnawholes instead https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gnawholes

[summer mural]

oh shit, according to wiki horned rat is acknowledged as a proper chaos god now

thats a big w

[queen laurel]

yeah but right now they focus on the realm of metal

with how funny it is in energies and stuff

Chamon is more than wanted

[distant marsh]

Who is lex atoma

[celest dome]

Local Legal system

Not a person

The Imperial version is the Lex Imperialis

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's usually just a planet's version of the lex

[distant marsh]

So this psiker is shouting the legal system of the planet? kinda odd choice of words for that fella

[summer mural]

how long ago was the apocalypse from the current time in aos

[queen laurel]

well she used to be an enforcer

so she's a very stickler for rules type of person

[summer mural]

according to wiki they had multiple ages after the apocalypse to reach the present setting of aos

[queen laurel]

Don't really have an exact timeline but it's been a long while

[distant marsh]

I see I see

Its just sounds off, Lex atoma feels like the cousin of Jhon Darktide or something like that

[celest dome]

Long time ago, to the point it's considered legends

[median star]

do we know anything about knight captain dragor or whatever his name is dukane talks abt sometimes

sounds rather important

[celest dome]

53rd Moebian Regiment Tank commander

Nothing more

[median star]

how does working a tank in a hive work sounds like hell and easily killed in

[queen laurel]

There are multiple pathways you can move around the tank and they are usually put on surface level anyway

hive cities are huge

Vehicles like Goliath trucks and multiple trains fit in this place

[humble shoal]

Did I hear draigo

[median star]

also how exactly are conventional battles working out on atoma right now is it mainly scabs on frontline or equally as many dregs

[summer mural]

is that canonically draigo

[dusk patrol]

Yes

wait

[summer mural]

I expected him to have a banner

[dusk patrol]

No I don't think so,

[summer mural]

might be an old model

[dusk patrol]

They added him with uh

Hector Rex for some reason.

[summer mural]

who?

[queen laurel]

it's average run of the mill war against traitors strike themes are basically surgical attack specialist that do a specific job to either improve our odds or hinder the enemies

[summer mural]

yeah thats more like it

[summer mural]

hes got his banner

I cant believe that man is traipsing around the warp with a sword and shield

and probably mostly unharmed

[humble shoal]

Its the tts model... so I think so but not sure tbh

[dusk patrol]

He's winning too

[humble shoal]

Swpre they pulled all of those from some media

[dusk patrol]

There's guard regiments there doing stuff.

[summer mural]

dont daemons actively avoid him, in the warp no less

[median star]

think wed ever see a mission where we deploy along conventional forces

[dusk patrol]

We see a little bit of the frontlines.

[summer mural]

we do

[dusk patrol]

But they probably don't have the setup to do a full scale thing for friendlies too.

[summer mural]

Im pretty sure we also do missions in areas where battles happened

[dusk patrol]

We mostly do missions on the outskirts and behind enemy lines.

[humble shoal]

Arent we normally behind enemy lines

Hence the valkyrie being our infil/exfil

[summer mural]

also sometimes in the beginning areas of missions you can see friendly forces exchanging gunfire

you cant get to em though

[humble shoal]

Smelter though we are in imperial forces territoriy during an invasion I think

Heard some weird convo between hadron and wolfer???

[dusk patrol]

Yeah typically

[summer mural]

so in aos, there are no chaos wastes?

apparently archaon invaded 7 of the 8 realms , so theres chaos everywhere?

[queen laurel]

no but multiple realms have pieces of them corrupted

[summer mural]

and sigmar beat em up

right

[queen laurel]

except Azyr

[summer mural]

so its like you cant walk in that corruption corruption? like the wastes

[queen laurel]

for example in the realm of fire pieces of it are corrupted by khorne

because he really wants that realm

Same for the realm of life with nurgle

[summer mural]

also

archaon defeated sigmar

lmao

[queen laurel]

in fantasy yeah

[summer mural]

oh I thought he beat reborn sigmar

as ascended archaon

in the mortal realms

[queen laurel]

no

where did you get that

[summer mural]

age of chaos mortal realms

something battle of burning skies

sigmar and his followers retreated to azyr and locked it to recuperate after losing to archie

and then much much later, sigmar released the stormcast eternals

[queen laurel]

seems to be the case

but they didn't really fight it seems

archie just tricked him into throwing his hammer away

[summer mural]

I see

still

sigmar lost the battle fair and square looks like

[summer mural]

wait

not everyone survives becoming a stormcast eternal?

[queen laurel]

yeah they uh\

[summer mural]

being forged into one that is

[queen laurel]

yeah sometimes it can go wrong and well they become fucked

[dusk patrol]

each time you come back you lose some of yourself too

[queen laurel]

yeah so even if it was successful

die enough times and you become nothing more than a robot

[summer mural]

apparently theres a lot of ways you can lose yourself

like you can literally end up speaking in two voices at once

or have lightning fingers

or growing emotionless

[queen laurel]

yeah like i said

Being a storm cast is rough

[summer mural]

they are very space marine esque though

[queen laurel]

they are literally made to be anti corruption weapons

[queen laurel]

nah

they have emotions and are actually pretty kind

For the most part

[summer mural]

like enhanced strength and abilities, huge heights

[storm jungle]

They are more like Order chaos warriors

[summer mural]

but yes

[queen laurel]

hell they can even have relationships

yeah they are basically chaos warriors for the good guys

[storm jungle]

well "good"

but yes lol

[dapper gyro]

SM also have emotion and kindness.

[storm jungle]

Barely

[dapper gyro]

Storm Cast are more along the line of Grey Knights.

[storm jungle]

Stormcast are not really comparable to Marines in most capacity

[storm jungle]

Ehhhh

[dusk patrol]

Only the lamest ones

[summer mural]

yeah helbrecht aint kind

[queen laurel]

Of course the uh the guy that doesn't like the gold guys likes the emotionless machines what a surprise

[dapper gyro]

Grey Knights are kind of "reforged" and many of them have their memory earased.

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats kinda reaching

lol

[dapper gyro]

Their sole purpose is being anti-corruption weapon.

[dusk patrol]

stormcast aren’t marines

Just stop

[storm jungle]

stormcast arent anti corruption tho

[dusk patrol]

They’re different

[queen laurel]

yeah having your memories erased and literally being revived from the death and remade new is different

[dusk patrol]

It’s ok for things to be different

There doesn’t have to be a 1:1 for everything

[summer mural]

so is it literally forever

[queen laurel]

yeah they are basically chaos warriors for the so called good guys

[summer mural]

the reforging

[storm jungle]

it depends

sometimes it is

sometimes its instant

the blacktalon show shows it really well

[summer mural]

no as in

[dusk patrol]

There’s ways they can perma die

[summer mural]

can you be reforged forever

[storm jungle]

Yes

[queen laurel]

no you can only be reforged so many times until eventually there's nothing left

[dusk patrol]

Unless certain things happen yes

[storm jungle]

the grimdark part is every time you die you lose a bit of yourself

[queen laurel]

until you become a robot

[dusk patrol]

But you lose your mind

[summer mural]

yes

[storm jungle]

you essentially become a space marine emotionally

[dusk patrol]

And become a husk

[queen laurel]

an emotionless

[dusk patrol]

And therefore based

[queen laurel]

golem

[storm jungle]

aka an automaton that just does what its told

its a fate a lot of them fear

[dapper gyro]

Im not comparing Storm Cast to SM, Im just saying that they are more similarity to other stuff than SM.

[summer mural]

but I mean, you do come back as at worst a robot for eternity?

[queen laurel]

they even have executioners

[storm jungle]

Its gradual

llike you need to die a dozen times for it to happen

[queen laurel]

Designed specifically when the storm boys just don't want to deal with it anymore

[storm jungle]

its why stormcasts just cant cheese their respawn mechanic

its a very bad thing

[dusk patrol]

It’s metaphysical Alzheimer’s

[keen nova]

What's the Coomer's favorite primarch?
||Answer: Logar||

||I will not elaborate||

[summer mural]

do they become worse soldiers if they die

as in

[storm jungle]

Nope

[summer mural]

get automated

[storm jungle]

they are just as good

they just dont care about anything anymore

collateral damage, emotions etc

[dusk patrol]

They’re emotionless husks

[storm jungle]

thye basically become space marine tier meat-robots in armor

[dusk patrol]

They become servitors basically

[storm jungle]

imagine Minotaurs but in fantasy lol

[summer mural]

I mean ,it sucks for the person yes, but it still seems like a good deal for the defense of humanity and all that

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats arguable

would you like to become that

[summer mural]

i would rather die the first time yes

[storm jungle]

or would you prefer to keep yoru sanity and remember your pals

[queen laurel]

yeah imagine you're just too nice and suddenly your God just says you're an immortal warrior now

[winter vessel]

Huh, then I guess my co-worker who’s had the same job for eight years fits the bill then

[dusk patrol]

I get to kill stuff for eternity without feeling bad?

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

[queen laurel]

me being kind to people and suddenly i'm dying 100 times is crazy work

[storm jungle]

but yeah remember that stormcast are forged from people who have died during heroic deeds, they are like an army of Conans to some extent, they want to fight for sigmar and live life to the fullest

[dapper gyro]

I find it funny that they didn't have fear of death, but have fear of being nothing left of them...

[storm jungle]

They do fear death

[summer mural]

so, how do the hoomies have a bad time if they actually dont lose stormcast eternals in quantity or quality

[storm jungle]

yet they still fight to protect the realms

its their god-sworn job

[dusk patrol]

The fear death because of what they’ll become

[summer mural]

oh i guess someone said they do perma die

[dusk patrol]

They do lose some

[storm jungle]

yaeh like

[summer mural]

under some circumstances i assume

[dusk patrol]

Also there’s a finite amount

[storm jungle]

being a stormcast seems great on the surface until you realise literally every faction you fight can easily kill you

lol

[dusk patrol]

They can’t be everywhere

[storm jungle]

also that yeah

stormcast are like spec ops usually

they also can outright deny requests for aid

or see tasks like that beneath them

every Stormhost has its own personality essentially

[summer mural]

yeah I guess you cant just leave some manning a fortress forever in some backyard

[storm jungle]

Yeah they deploy where fighting is the thickest

its where the low fantasy angle comes in

most of the time its normal empire of men-esque soldiers doing the figthing

[summer mural]

oh are those your fantasy empire type hoomies

[storm jungle]

Yep

[summer mural]

like reiksguard and handgunners

[queen laurel]

imagine being a mortal soldier and watching as your storm cast escort get body slammed by a brute

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[dusk patrol]

That’s when I pull out my Glock

[storm jungle]

Cities of Sigmar troops, they're very neat

[queen laurel]

ah yes the magical Thang on him

[storm jungle]

just more aesthetically a bit different from WHF for GW reasons

[dusk patrol]

My honest reaction to literally anything charging me

[storm jungle]

literally

[arctic talon]

The Reiksguard looking dudes still exist as well

It’s like

A huge mix asthetically

[summer mural]

so, is the empire still this stagnant , corrupt bureaucracy, I assume itd be some golden utopia since sigmar himself is leading it

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

it depends

[dusk patrol]

Varies, there’s a lot of groups

It’s not as central

[storm jungle]

AOS is like great on the surface before you read the lore and its about as shitty as WHF if not worse due to the amount of hostile high fantasy factions