40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

i thought that was a different one my bad

[winter vessel]

My idea for a Nurgle Corrupted Sororitas would be using those Seraphim units

but in place of the jumpacks they're insect wings

[opaque coyote]

Sister of Silence signs

"Hey that's our thing!"

[rose thorn]

i forgot are the sisters of silence in the agents army?

let me check

WHAT

why

[sly ivy]

No

Because agents can’t have nice things

[opaque coyote]

No

[rose thorn]

WHYYY

[sly ivy]

It sucks

They are hilariously an option for the agents kill team

[rose thorn]

a; they are literally in inquisitoral henchmen killteam

YEA\

[sly ivy]

As are scions

[opaque coyote]

Because that would make sense

[rose thorn]

b; in lore they litearlly join battlefields all the time

[opaque coyote]

We can't have that

[sly ivy]

Come join agents discord and whine with us

[opaque coyote]

[rose thorn]

also they sell like shit give us another reason to buy them

[sly ivy]

While like 4 people on it pull off improbable tournament wins

[rose thorn]

id lvoe to but unless i can get a big box for dirt cheap ive been taking a break from 40k

i dont like how they have been handling the rules

(im very salty about the gsc eveyrthing)

"today we will make a shooting stealth army into a melee horde army"

"we will rewrite the rules 5 times because we gave them 1 army rule that barely works 5 times

[sly ivy]

😦 that’s too bad

Yeah they’ve been treated badly

And man last editions crossfire rules were so cool and good

[rose thorn]

the 2 melee cult themes are happy and comp are happy because this is the most competetive they have ever bene

[sly ivy]

I will say if you come back Agentd are pretty fun if woefully underpowered.

[rose thorn]

but my gurilla warfare itch isnt fulfilled

[rose thorn]

i reall y wnana make a roguetrader army tbh lmao

which i heard is the wrost way to build them

[sly ivy]

Yes so fleet detachment is the competitive one

No

[rose thorn]

ahhh

[sly ivy]

It’s the opposite. It’s got play

The detachment is great. Just overall lack of army rule sucks.

But look at some of these enhancements

Hang on

And starts

Strats

[rose thorn]

i should probably get agents since i like greyknight lmao

the only greyknight enjoyer

[dapper gyro]

Then you have a random xeno in your army.

[rose thorn]

huh?

[sly ivy]

That’s all fleet

They’re good

[dapper gyro]

Rogue traders sometimes have xeno with them in the lore.

[sly ivy]

Yeah grey knight terms are very good in agents

[sly ivy]

We don’t have those filthy stinky Rogue Traitors in Agents.

[sacred ginkgo]

Rogue trader Von Valancius on their way to turn your house into a crater with a handgun

[rose thorn]

ye i know i was just hoping for asecond there was a rule that let us take them

[rose thorn]

rogue trader game reference

my 3 favorite warhammer things

rogue traders
kroot
grey knights

[sly ivy]

The worst blow actually to Agents is we lost the greatest unit in 40k

Monke

[rose thorn]

also i thought there was a rule that let players take models from other armies and put them into agents

[rose thorn]

ITS GON?!?

NOW AY

I GOTTA CHECK

[sly ivy]

Yes

Tbh I’m hoping it’ll come back it’s too iconic

[rose thorn]

they took teh demon host and monkey..

[rose thorn]

me too

good news is the worst written inquisitor is dead so im happy about that

not in lore jsut in rules

[sly ivy]

U better be talking about karamazov

[spare osprey]

bro got blown up in that same run lol

[sharp pollen]

do orcs sleep?

[queen laurel]

yes orks sleep

[rose thorn]

plants sleep irl too

[dapper gyro]

Sometimes, I just want someone else control me so I can keep sleeping.

[sharp pollen]

do orks-kommandos use silencers?

[dapper gyro]

No

[queen laurel]

nah

they they mostly assasinate through knifes

and considering you will meet very heavy opposition sometimes they don't even bother to when everything breaks out

[sharp pollen]

i c

[dusky scroll]

How good is the Imperial guard compared to most modern militaries like USA, UK etc. (as of 2025), considering troop count in both side is equal?

[sharp pollen]

i think much better

definitely in technology and weapons

and since humanity have actual enemies from within and around, the training courses are tougher, and the battle experience is more brutal

[storm jungle]

A modern army is arguably better, if its something like the U.S army probably even more. The entire way the Guard wages war is suppose to be wasteful and archaic

we also arent superstitious and use everything at our disposal

a single modern fighter would squad most of the shit the Guard uses lol

or you know, drones

or an abrahms tank 💀

[sharp pollen]

most

[shadow plover]

US army doesn't even compare well with other modern armies lmao

[storm jungle]

Its kind of like asking can space marines take over earth

its usually 50/50 leaning towards "no lol"

[queen laurel]

Yeah the only way they will win against the militaries of our world is literally wasting so much vehicles war machines and literal giant walking buildings that can level cities

[sharp pollen]

i think we need to take some particular regiment, maybe with experience

[storm jungle]

Even then its iffy, the Guard is suppose to be shoddy.

theres a reason mass human wave tactics among other things went out of fashion, same with bayonets, the WW2 way of fighting etc

[sharp pollen]

btw, we are talking about equal counts of soldiers

what fucking machines and planet invasion are you talking about

[dusky scroll]

So guardsmen are never deployed in smaller units? instead of chucking 100k units to capture a rubber duck...

[sharp pollen]

like, 100 vs 100 soldiers

no machines

who win

[storm jungle]

🤔

[sharp pollen]

you decide...

[storm jungle]

I mean same deal

[queen laurel]

the guard will win by virtue of literally having millions of worlds worth of resources

We can put up a fight but we will literally get trampled by the amount of s*** they carry

[storm jungle]

if those millions get bombed by a ballistic missile it changes

theres a reason war itself is seen as "boring"

you sit back and let machinery do all the work lol

the Guard usually dont have that privelage

[queen laurel]

Yep

If they just find us annoying to be fair they can just throw a giant planet ending bomb

[shadow plover]

I'd put my money on the guard by the virtue of experience alone

[storm jungle]

way too much "it depends" to bet for me

[sharp pollen]

lets think that both troops had 10 battles in their lives
who will win

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's one of those specific questions

[storm jungle]

Too many variables

just because you fought against nids doesnt mean you wont step on a landmine

[dusky scroll]

The thing about Human wave tactic for guardsmen is, they aren't facing a group of Nazi. They are dealing with aliens with absurdly advanced tech... or Space nazis.

[queen laurel]

Like if it's a planet conquering fleet designed to carry multiple armies then we're cooked

[sharp pollen]

ok, both have at least 5 units of machinery

[queen laurel]

But if it's literally just like a single ship or stuff

[storm jungle]

It doesnt really matter though

[queen laurel]

We can fight back

[celest dome]

They are the Space Nazi though 💀

[storm jungle]

LOL

THAT TOO

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are space nazis

[storm jungle]

but yeah the Guard is literally imperial japan tier fanatics

[sharp pollen]

space baddies

[storm jungle]

they could win through attrition and other awful tactics we wouldnt resort to maybe but like lol

[queen laurel]

Imperial japan with the resources of the us

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[queen laurel]

Magnified by a billion percent

[storm jungle]

the lore embezzles a ton of stuff because you wanna think of the guard as underdog heroes

in reality they are awful people

[queen laurel]

Me when i landed in a imperial guard regiment and the moment i'm alone i get beaten to death for not being a pure blood

[sharp pollen]

"considering troop count in both side is equal"

[storm jungle]

Cadia Moment

[storm jungle]

I WAS SPEAKING IN GENERAL

[sharp pollen]

in general we can say whatever we want

[celest dome]

Embezzle ?

[storm jungle]

Make it seem heroic

because nobody wants to read about guardsmen liquidating innocent people

[celest dome]

Embellish ?

[storm jungle]

they always need to fight "traitors"

[storm jungle]

Thats the one whoops

[celest dome]

Embezzle is stealing

[storm jungle]

Lmao damn

anyway yeah

[queen laurel]

Well to be fair space marine embezzle their recognition

[storm jungle]

YEET

[sharp pollen]

oh i know why guard would win every time...

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[dusky scroll]

So, equal number of soldiers of both sides, no tanks or aerial support (that'd open a different can of worms)... would modern day army still win?

Think about training, tactics, equipment etc.

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

probably

Flak armor is basically kevlar

it wont relaly protect against half the stuff we still use

[queen laurel]

The guard might have better weapons and equipment but that's the thing with earth humans

[celest dome]

Depend on the strength of Kevlar vs Las weapons too

[queen laurel]

They are creative little fucks

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[sharp pollen]

are both troops experienced?

[storm jungle]

Id assume so

[sharp pollen]

like, kasrkin would suck dick anyway?

[storm jungle]

I guess? Real life spec ops are about as deadly if not more

especially if we are sticking to the examples of the U.S lol

[dusky scroll]

Why do they wear Kevlar if it doesn't make a goddamn difference in 40k scale wars?

[storm jungle]

I mean

why wear body armor if you can just die from stepping on a mine

its mandatory and you never know, its a precaution

[queen laurel]

And also it's cheap

And allows them to live

[storm jungle]

^

[sharp pollen]

human life costs less than the armour

[storm jungle]

its the same as asking "why would i ever wear a helmet"

[queen laurel]

I'd rather have something than nothing

[storm jungle]

it might just save your life + its standard issue

[queen laurel]

It's not going to protect me from a giant green mountain of muscle cutting me in half but

Better than nothing

[celest dome]

Kevlar and helmets weren't created solely to stop bullets.
Their main uses were against shrapnel

[storm jungle]

That too yeah

[coarse pumice]

Flak armour isn't some relic like power armour

[storm jungle]

i keep forgetting lol

[sharp pollen]

the shrapnel from grenade wouldnt hurt you that much

and thats it basically

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

its like that meme of that guy in full medieval knight armor

[celest dome]

Are you speaking of experience

[storm jungle]

then he gets a arrow through his visor

[dusky scroll]

also, considering how it looks, it's pretty bulky.

[sharp pollen]

from common sence???

[storm jungle]

Its lightweight enough

its just plate armor

[celest dome]

Shrapnel fucking hurt

[storm jungle]

I remember when i learned of how claymores are IRL when in games they always make it seem like its an explosive device 💀

[sharp pollen]

seen this today

[storm jungle]

I love being ripped apart by 1000 tiny balls

[celest dome]

Ball bearing go brrr

[sharp pollen]

AI bald head

[dusky scroll]

@storm jungle 's point sounds like everyone in Imperial guard steps on landmine shout Mozel tov

[storm jungle]

Idk what that means

but the point is people hype the Guard way too much

they are literally a fantasy-scifi WW2 army in space

[dusky scroll]

.

[storm jungle]

Well yeah

what the fuck are you suppose to do

lol

[celest dome]

People hype the Imperium way to much

[storm jungle]

That too

[sharp pollen]

average guardman is a 18-20 yo kid that has been trained for like 3 months and then killed on a mine

if we take unexperienced troops, then modern army will just walk in guard's barracks at night and say hello

[storm jungle]

or just airstrike it

or artillery 💀

[sharp pollen]

AND then go with artillery

[queen laurel]

again titans can also be answered with bombs and nukes

[celest dome]

Dpend on the Regiment though

[queen laurel]

we have a lot of those you see

[celest dome]

Some are way more trained

[dusky scroll]

From the convo, it is safe to assume Imperial guard members are not trained to communicate, take position, or apply tactical maneuvers?

[celest dome]

No they are

But a limited amount of them

[storm jungle]

^

[sharp pollen]

ok, lets take a war-ready Catachan troop, who just have been drafted

[storm jungle]

The way they operate is WW2-esque as we keep saying

its not comparable too much to how a modern squad operates

[celest dome]

Like they're not Sun Tzu, but they're not civilians

[storm jungle]

That ye

[dusky scroll]

If we're considering Tanks, airstrikes, or Artillery- They can just blow up part of the continent and call it a win.

[storm jungle]

I mean no

its never that simple lol

Modern air support would wipe most of what the Guard also has tbh

they literally use flying fridges

[queen laurel]

Also the guard conquers if they're usually going in a planet

[celest dome]

Highly tactical minded, well trained, great shots and adept at guerrilla manoeuvre, they'll do great against a regular modern army, as seen before in RL

[queen laurel]

And would not really bring out a lot of their super weapons

To keep the place mostly intact

[celest dome]

That would be the Admech that does that

[queen laurel]

Yes but still they wouldn't waste super weapons unless necessary

[dusky scroll]

wtf is flying fridges?

[storm jungle]

imperial aircraft

[queen laurel]

Every aircraft of the imperial guard

[storm jungle]

wtf do you think

[celest dome]

Nah, making the planet inhabitable just speed up their installation process

[storm jungle]

if you put any of these aircraft in an IRL combat scenario they'd perform horribly because they dont really work well as aircraft

(which even GW has joked about)

[dusky scroll]

oh.. I thought fridge was supposed to mean something like cryo bomb or something like that... You meant the shape and bulkiness I assume

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

its classic imperial brutalism

simple panels/block-shapes

it looks pretty badass so no comment from me

✋

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be honest people often underestimate military too much for fictional matchups

[celest dome]

They often treat the military like Zombie film do

[dusky scroll]

I assumed Imperial airforce would be consiat of planes with far higher payload than modern tactical ground support aircrafts, able to carpet bomb the whole battlefield.

and Lasgun would perform much better than what's carried by modern forces, able to penetrate covers (like walls or whatnots) taken by modern ground soldiers.

[celest dome]

Lasgun don't really penetrate cover...

[dusky scroll]

I was told lasgun shots superheat the target, causing miniature explosions.

[median star]

maybe a hotshot could

[celest dome]

It can destroy cover, not penetrate it.

[queen laurel]

yep that

[dusky scroll]

so... the cover is no longer a cover anymore?

[arctic talon]

Depends on the material but yeah it can do that

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the depiction

Sometimes they’re portrayed as proper air support, sometimes it’s WWII dogfighting

It’s like Star Wars

Everyone wants dogfighting cause it’s cool

And air support is icky and not fun so we rarely see it come up in books

[queen laurel]

a lasgun can punch through Concrete right

[dusk patrol]

Rockcrete no, but concrete yeah probably depending on how thick.

Rockcrete it’s gonna take some doing

[celest dome]

@storm jungle Cherubael's hosts were not Psyker right ?

[storm jungle]

Not entirely no

he essentially just body-hopped

well also just binding him into unlucky blokes really

[celest dome]

Some people were saying that the Daemonhost we face are Psyker

Which might be the case, but isn't necessarily

[storm jungle]

Yeah daemonhosts can literally infest anyone

it doesnt really matter if oyu are a psyker or not, it just adds extra-spice

[dusk patrol]

Psykers are just more vulnerable, Cherubael in also an extremely powerful daemon

[storm jungle]

hes a daemon prince

but yeah

hes very much "my OC do not touch" levels

[shadow plover]

Doesn't deamon prince imply a mortal ascended to deamonhood

[storm jungle]

Correct.

[shadow plover]

And cherubael is a proper deamon?

Not someone ascended

Or am I misremembering it

[storm jungle]

Beats me, the official backstory material that came with the Inquisitor rulebook (that released on the same year as Eisenhorn) says hes a daemon prince

keep in mind this is like 20+ year old material they might have just not given a shit lol

[queen laurel]

yeah but is it really stated that they can't possess humans like demons

[storm jungle]

Yeah. As far as I can remember we literally barely know anything of Cherb's backstory as is aside from his exploits

its been awhile tho

[queen laurel]

the lex also says he is a Daemon prince

[median star]

how exactly does a inquisitor deploy a demonhost effectively

[storm jungle]

Tons of wards and protective measures

then you just "unleash" it and hope it behaves

its basically an nuke attack dog

its why i always stick with the notion that using daeonhosts in any capacity is stupid af

"Oh well you can ask it information nobody knows about and interrogate it 🤓 "

Yeah im gonna choose to live homie thanks lol

[queen laurel]

yeah you can either get "lucky" and get a minor demon like say a blood letter or congratulations you just accidentally bounded a bloodthirster

[storm jungle]

yeah either way id never do it, its such a moronic thing

no wonder only radical-radicals do it lol

[queen laurel]

yep it is

[dusk patrol]

There’s a reason basically all depictions of inquisitors using them they’re off the deep end

Eisenhorn has Cherubael bound well and they have a very odd relationship at this stage, but it’s still insanely dangerous.

[storm jungle]

Once again, it cannot be addressed enough

Using daemonhosts is fucking stupid

[dusk patrol]

But it’s an insane risk and doing it alone basically corrupts you. Plenty of inquisitors will just kill you on the spot if they found out you were using one, as well as other imperium authorities

[storm jungle]

Yeah i always also hate the reasons for it too

"OH I NEED ARCANE INFO"

Yeah okay chief cool, im snitching on your ass

[queen laurel]

yeah on what basis is it a good idea to bound this thing in the material plane

you're just asking for it at that point

[storm jungle]

Any form in general is just an awful idea yeah

"oh im desperate"

idgaf bruh

[dusk patrol]

Inquisitor Astor Sabbathiel uses one a whole series to get info on the Dark Angels and try to expose them, then she has the bright idea to reveal this to a Grey Knight so he can lead a force to destroy them.

Which promptly results in him killing her immediately for having a daemonhost on her ship that she takes advice from.

[storm jungle]

that panel made me fucking laugh out loud

its so random yet understandable

[queen laurel]

let me tell the group of demon hunters i have a demon in my ship

[storm jungle]

Smallest bolter impact in the universe btw

[dusk patrol]

He looks so tired almost.

Like “Bitch really? You brought me here to say that?!”

[storm jungle]

Considering half the shit she made them go through that sounds about right lol

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[shadow plover]

Dudes rock

[hallow saddle]

thats sick, I love how fucking huge he is

Just right

[tough haven]

Gotta be hard to use cover identities with that HUGE FUCKING I ON YOUR FOREHEAD

[tough haven]

I’d love audio for this lol

[spare osprey]

To betray my bitch son/brother who exiled me?

Duh

[plush mason]

ngl i love how the inquisitors are more or less just varying degrees of idiots

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t say that, she had more just gone off the deep end by then

[plush mason]

i mean, they are all idiots to some level, kinda the point of the whole of the imperium

be it puritan or radical

none are smart

[dusk patrol]

Not really true

[plush mason]

the imperium is the most anti-intellectual society imageable

[dusk patrol]

That doesn’t mean they’re not smart or good at their jobs

[plush mason]

never said they arent good at their jobs

dont need to be smart to torture people

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the job is a little more than that

They’re kinda given an impossible task a lot of times, we directly see these guys aren’t idiots in almost all portrayals, they’re definitely evil and fucked up but it’s also an impossible job that drives people mad or into corruption for a reason.

Not gonna pretend they’re all equal in that regard but they’re not all idiots lol. Them being part of an evil society doesn’t make them inherently idiots.

[plush mason]

how can a society that idolizes idiocy and demonizes any form of intellectualism produce non-idiots?

[rose thorn]

I LOVE THEM

[shadow plover]

hell yeah

[queen laurel]

Shit that looks fire

[plush mason]

love it

[queen laurel]

i like this fella

[plush mason]

troll?

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t inherently do those things, you’re kinda caricaturing how the imperium works.

Like Inquisitors aren’t some random dude in a hive who doesn’t know about any xenos or chaos beyond the propaganda.

And once again, we directly see them be very smart individuals

[queen laurel]

yes

or a Troggoth in aos

[dusk patrol]

It’s like saying no smart people existed in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union even if they bought into the dumbass ideals

[rose thorn]

A tiny troggoth (I think)

[dusk patrol]

It’s a completely silly view of the world that evil people with bad ideas can’t be smart.

Are we gonna say no smart people existed in the Middle Ages or prior because they believed in some goofy myths or ideas?

[plush mason]

none of that is comparable

[rose thorn]

Damn warcry hasn’t gotten the new underworlds warbands rules yet

[queen laurel]

it's definitely a type of Dankhold Troggoth

[plush mason]

because the point of the imperium is to be the worst thing in all of human history

[queen laurel]

because this guy can shrink or grow depending on where they sleep

[rose thorn]

Very true

The article says it’s a tiny troggoth who dreams of bigger things

They are searching for Trogg

[queen laurel]

yeah this fella Trugg the Troggoth King

[rose thorn]

Yeee

So fire

[dusk patrol]

So you’re confident that there is literally no examples of smart individuals in lore, in the entire imperium?

[plush mason]

the best thing about the imperium is how completely irredeemable it is

[dusk patrol]

That has nothing to do with what we’re talking about

[plush mason]

oh im sure there are pletely of smart people

[dusk patrol]

Smartness or competence does not require redemption

[plush mason]

but they are redeeming qualities

[rose thorn]

Who do you think the other underworlds warband is gonna be

[plush mason]

and at the end of the day all the smart people of the imperium ether have to act dumb or face persecution/execution

[queen laurel]

well i don't know

[dusk patrol]

I can think Nazism isn’t a redeemable ideology while thinking some were competent and smart, they’re not exclusive

[queen laurel]

i always want more ironjawz but

that's just me

[dusk patrol]

But whatever, this is legitimately one of the more childish views of the world I’ve seen and I don’t think you actually buy into it.

[plush mason]

its not a worldview its a view of a fictional faction

[dusk patrol]

Either that or you’ve never read any lore

The idea that there is 0 examples of smart people or competent ones in the imperium is just completely false

[rose thorn]

Currently without rep is DoK, fyreslayers, SoB, and ruination chamber

For underworlds

[dusk patrol]

There’s even good people, it’s not irredeemable it’s just mostly evil, and the bad outweighs the good largely.

You’re not actually trying to engage with what’s shown, you’re just declaring something and working back from there while ignoring any examples to the contrary or moving the goalposts when they’re brought up.

[plush mason]

with the inqusition the smartest ones are the ones that fall in the middle of the puritan and radical camps

[dusk patrol]

Based off what? Where we you getting this from?

[plush mason]

because the puritans never doubt and the radicals doubt so much they end up betraying their ideals

[dusk patrol]

Eisenhorn is objectively a super smart dude who has saved countless billions if not trillions, he’s also kinda nuts and it led him down a bad path.

[queen laurel]

Yeah they definitely need some

[dusk patrol]

Ravenor is also super radical by their standards but he’s done similar things.

We also see ones on the other end of the spectrum save lives and enact effective plans.

It doesn’t make them good, but they are smart, competent, and effective at their job, and have saved a lot of lives.

Ffs we know say the Iron Hands, despite being complete bastards who are often actively antagonistic, have saved countless trillions through their campaigns and actions.

Same with lots of other chapters, none of whom are good and they’re all super fucked up.

Same with people like Yarrick and Gaunt who grew up embroiled in the teachings and fucked up nature of the regime.

[plush mason]

i think we have different meanings of "smart"

and ofc there are many kinds of smart

when i say smart i am talking about intellectualism something that just does not exist in the imperium, at least not in any form we recognize

[dusk patrol]

This also isn’t true, but I’m not convinced you’ve actually read these books, or know what these words mean.

Especially since we’re now somehow moving the goalposts on what smart means when I think we all know exactly what that means, and what is meant by it.

[plush mason]

yeah likely best to just drop it here

[sly ivy]

You people Jesus Christ there are official objective standards for intelligence

Specifically just measure urself against me, a genius

🙄

I have to fix everything around here

Incredible anything even functions without me tbh

[rose thorn]

Idk how you would do sons of behemoth besides ‘big man cultists’

Also I’d like another cities of sigmar rep

Maybe the remains of hel crown

Trying to find an artifact to save their home from the skaven

[queen laurel]

Fyreslayers have these guys

[rose thorn]

Yeha but the rules aren’t up to date

[queen laurel]

But I wouldn't mind them getting another one

[queen laurel]

oof

[rose thorn]

DoK use to have the most underworlds warbands but none of them have unsupported rules

[dusk patrol]

Fyreslayers definitely need…something else going on

[rose thorn]

Imma be real I love the fyreslayers as is

[queen laurel]

yeah same here

[rose thorn]

But I’d like more mounts

[queen laurel]

yeah same

[rose thorn]

Give them more beasts like GSG

[queen laurel]

maybe Magmadroth younlings

[dusk patrol]

Idk, I’m sure they have some fans but they seem to be pretty unpopular and I think their core idea could be expanded upon more

[rose thorn]

I think there is more salamanders we can focus on

[queen laurel]

that is true

[rose thorn]

Apparently they were pretty big in 1.5 edition

[queen laurel]

They used to be not that liked but after a while people genuinely love them for how unapologetically barbarian they are

[rose thorn]

That too

It’s a weirdly underground (ha) space

[queen laurel]

they fully embrace the fact that they are fire barbarian dwarves and i love it

[rose thorn]

It’s the best parts of dwarves and chaos waste barbarians (I forgot what they were called)

[queen laurel]

Norscans

[rose thorn]

I feel like vanguard chamber is less popular than fyreslayers

[dusk patrol]

I like aspects of them I just think aesthetically the faction could use some love

[rose thorn]

Also apparently according to goonhammer kharadron are one of trh most popular factions among new players

Which is pretty great

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t shock me

[rose thorn]

Since they are a very very easy army to paint

[dusk patrol]

Easier to paint, cool look, pretty solid rules.

[queen laurel]

i mean to be fair yeah they are pretty samey in that department but like i like ironjaws

[dusk patrol]

Simple enough concept

[rose thorn]

Also slaves to darkness being the most popular factions among new warms my heart

[queen laurel]

and those guys are literally visually speaking giant armored orcs

[rose thorn]

It matches the lore

[dusk patrol]

Ironjawz have more variety though

[rose thorn]

I think it was like

Valid

[queen laurel]

I mean not really I would put their visual repetitiveness like on about the same with Fyreslayers only beating it by a little bit

they could use more flair, but like they look fine to be honest

[rose thorn]

A problem is fyreslayers is a surprisingly complete army

They really just need cav

[queen laurel]

yeah they look

[rose thorn]

And genetic monster

[queen laurel]

pretty much complete

[rose thorn]

They have 6 infantry which is great

They ahve alot of heroes but that’s because a rule change

[queen laurel]

ironjawz only really need a giant monster to be complete because I don't think they're the type of army to be packing a range option and artillery

[rose thorn]

Doom seeker, berzerker, and battle smith use to just be single man elite units

[rose thorn]

Besides the cabbage?

[queen laurel]

yeah but those are leader type monsters you know

by Generic monster i'm talking about as like a unit

[rose thorn]

Oh the maw gruntas are monsters

Apparently

[queen laurel]

i guess yeah

the giant boar fill in that category

[rose thorn]

Kruleboyz need another trogg

And cav

[queen laurel]

but like i wouldn't mind them having like a Maw-Krusha that doesn't have a megaboss top of it

[rose thorn]

Yeahh

Or maybe a rogue idol

Gonna say I bet orruks are gonna get a mid edition expansion

[queen laurel]

the Kruliez need it

Ironjawz I would say is gonna last awhile without new stuff

[rose thorn]

I think iron jaws need another caster too tbh

Maybe a duel priest wizard caster

[queen laurel]

yeah maybe a mounted wizard

[rose thorn]

Oooh yeah

Wizard ironjawz is a slept on build

Also kruleboyz wizards are amazing

They are just difficult to squeeze in a list

[queen laurel]

i cast foot of gork

5 times

[queen laurel]

also yeah the Krule ladz only have this for Troggs

still weird they can't use swamp trolls but goblins can

[rose thorn]

They have the swamp crawlla

It’s under war machines

[queen laurel]

yeah but it's a offshot so pardon me for forgetting

[shadow plover]

ugly ass

[dusk patrol]

I do like Krule Ladz but painting them

Ugh

[rose thorn]

Ur good

[sly ivy]

Another plug for the Realms of Ruin story vids on YouTube. The acting in that game is great even if game is mid

[queen laurel]

i mean Kruleboyz are swamp dwelling orcs

[sly ivy]

And u will come away loving the kruleguys

[queen laurel]

so then looking a bit messy

is not that bad

[dusk patrol]

No I love their look

I just ain’t gonna paint that

Maybe one day

But fuck me those edges and shit ugh

[sly ivy]

Paint them brown and say they’re covered in swamp gunk

[rose thorn]

True

[queen laurel]

Yeah the stories actually great

Unfortunately the gameplay is worse than a skaven trying to be friendly

[rose thorn]

They fixed the game

It’s like

Fine now

It really needs more factions

[rocky gale]

Poor lil guy

[queen laurel]

Yeah but the damage is already done

I would be surprised if they can even recover

[queen laurel]

You know what they say snotlings have no rights

[rose thorn]

Omfg it’s the warcry 1st edition red harvest terrain in the background

I just noticed

Is there hope my favorite terrain set will be on sale again

[sly ivy]

Yeah like unusually good writing and acting

[sly ivy]

For like 2 months as made 2 order 😐

[rose thorn]

OH SHIT FR?!

[sly ivy]

No no

Sorry speculation

Sorry sorry

[rose thorn]

Oh?

[sly ivy]

Just bc terrain sets tend to rotate back around and that one obviously took a lot of work

[rose thorn]

Ohh

[sly ivy]

Remember when warcry’s future was bright?

[rose thorn]

Rumor is that new edition is around the corner

Which I agree with

[sly ivy]

then they decided to release 4 boxes with the same trees and no verticality

[rose thorn]

The Sylvaneth one?

[sly ivy]

No all 4 Ghur warcry boxes

[rose thorn]

Oh

The trees apparently have like custom rules

I never knew that

[sly ivy]

They saturated and gave people fatigue

[rose thorn]

Yeha but they are nice at least

[sly ivy]

Yeah it’s just the same trees kits in each box

With a few extra pieces

It kind of worked for kill team into the dark bc kill team is much more popular AND because the repeat sets went together into a 40k boarding actions board

But it just fell flat with warcry

Yeah all the sculpts are really nice

[rose thorn]

Yea

[sly ivy]

Warcry basically provided the nice terrain for Sigmar

[rose thorn]

I think that’s why the recent boxes had one big box

[sly ivy]

The Thondian whatever terrain is super mid

[rose thorn]

(Also the terrain in the Ossiarch vs sylvaneth box has AOS ogor rules)

Ogre?

Ogor?

I forgot

[sly ivy]

ogré

[rose thorn]

Ogor

My bad

It was the maw pit

I got them mixed up

[sly ivy]

øgõr

[rose thorn]

œgr

Oh yeah I’m excited for the ogor refresh

[sly ivy]

I’m bitching about warcry bc I was one of those uh extremely intelligent people who bought all the boxes lmao

So I feel I have a right to complain

[rose thorn]

Lmao

I love love love love warcry

It’s probably the funnest game system I’ve played

[sly ivy]

Nicest people on discord too

[rose thorn]

Mhm

They haven’t given us rules for the underworlds warbands yet btw

My bet is the team is focusing on underworlds minis while they work on warcry 3.0 rules

But I have no proof

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah have you tried the new narrative set for warcry?

Sunders coasts or something like that

Ravaged coasts

Savage coasts?

It’s in a white dwarf

[sly ivy]

😦 I kind of retired from warcry tbh

[summer mural]

do the custodians have the best suits of armor in the imperium

like, they got the most gimmicks?

[sly ivy]

The best suit of armor in the imperium is contempt, brother

[rose thorn]

Valid so have I, waiting for new stuff

[sly ivy]

Real answer best made in an overall sense quite possibly. Most gimmicks prob not; there's some custom rogue trader or inquisitor suit that brushes your teeth and teaches you eldar while you sleep I'm sure.

One imagines that there are several local maxima for armor quality:

[storm jungle]

Yes.

random batman gadgets tho like Kaggen said no

[sly ivy]

1. Custodes
2. Upper echelons of grey knights.
3. Chapter master swag. Obv primarch swag.
4. High-ranking tech priest gear.
5. Anything owned by rich inquisitors, rogue traders, and High Lords + high lord adjacents.

[storm jungle]

its just really good power armor

[sly ivy]

And finally wild card

6. There are some random people who have access to Dark Age tech like the cancer gang in Necromunda

[humble shoal]

Obviously the fabricator general has the best stuff

[sly ivy]

(the dark age tech also gives them cancer)

[humble shoal]

In reality the orangutans have the best everything

[sly ivy]

Lmao oh of course

Wild wild card

Monke have literal Old One tech but are semisentient

[humble shoal]

Also digganobz with necron gear?

[storm jungle]

They are scavengers

they dont use necron gear

[humble shoal]

I know

[storm jungle]

no

[humble shoal]

But inagine how funny it would be

Digganecrons

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

The entire admech is already necron tech

[storm jungle]

no

[sly ivy]

C'tan tech

Sorry

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

Hehe dregon

[sly ivy]

C'tan wet dreams for thousands and thousands of years

[humble shoal]

Martian dregon

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

Ave deus mechanicus sister

[storm jungle]

no

[humble shoal]

Also that one stc ship

That is an ai

[storm jungle]

man people love talking about Speranza

[humble shoal]

Yeah

[sly ivy]

The deus:

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

Non-senile Votann

[storm jungle]

yeet

[humble shoal]

Anyway werent there also other groups with power armored armies

Wonder how they went

[storm jungle]

Other groups?

you mean humans?

[dusk patrol]

Powered armor is a pretty basic concept, it varies a lot

[humble shoal]

Like other non imperial humans

[dusk patrol]

There’s guard with powered armor suits

[sly ivy]

No. True power armor belongs to Him alone.

[storm jungle]

They're mostly made up for 30k fodder text

theres a few other users in 40k but its not really explored

[humble shoal]

Tbf the us gov has basic power armor already

[dusk patrol]

There was some wild GC factions both in the imperium and who they fought who had powered armor

[sly ivy]

The rest is fake and gay and heretical and you will not speak of it again.

[dusk patrol]

The issue with power armor is the powering part

[storm jungle]

I love the issue of it always being "the power source is too expensive/weak"

[arctic talon]

some of the factions blown up in the Macharian crusade

[storm jungle]

realism always ruining cool ideas smh

[arctic talon]

had DAOT stuff

and then the imperium dropped a moon on them

[dusk patrol]

Also that shit being durable enough

It’s more hassle than it is useful rn

[arctic talon]

yeah irl weaponry > armor

lol

[storm jungle]

theres a reason power armor just doesnt really come up as a concept a lot IRL

why use this shit when you can just

airstrike

dronestrike

artillery

etc

[humble shoal]

Also weight

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

Shits heavy from what I heard

[dusk patrol]

Generally they’re working more towards like, stuff which assists movement, makes carrying stuff easier

[humble shoal]

And the powered stuff doesnt help your neck

[sly ivy]

Get rid of surplus young men

[dusk patrol]

Less strain on the body

[sly ivy]

Like donating blood for health purposes

[arctic talon]

wdym Ghana has this shit figured out

[storm jungle]

fucking

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Battlefield 2142

[sly ivy]

What the fuck is that shit

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

lmao

Bros r gonna have back problems 4 life

[arctic talon]

Ghanah had a military parade "of the future"

[humble shoal]

Ghana has a space program too right?

[sly ivy]

Based

[humble shoal]

I like the camo pattern

[arctic talon]

I really don't get the actual point of this parade

[humble shoal]

Soft power I guess

[arctic talon]

ig?

[storm jungle]

propaganda

[arctic talon]

it was pretty frivolous and I doubt the military actually thought the stuff they showed off was viable lol

[storm jungle]

the point of any parade

[arctic talon]

okay yeah

but still

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

fucking metal gear

[arctic talon]

yep

and like an actual effective one

[humble shoal]

Yeah

Which makes it funnier

[summer mural]

oh shit, I just learnt custodes dont have multiple organs

[storm jungle]

Yeah

they are normal humans

just extremely gene-enhanced

like, genetic gigachads really

[dusk patrol]

“Normal humans”

[summer mural]

they only got 2 lungs and 1 heart, but the quality of their organs is so fine tuned it makes having more pointless

[sly ivy]

Looks into Ghana space program

[storm jungle]

Shut the fuck up

[sly ivy]

Satellite launched

... launched by Nasa on Spacex Falcon 9

[dusk patrol]

“Shut the fuck up”

[queen laurel]

yeah if we are counting altered they are the peak of humanity in the setting

[arctic talon]

They turned the babies into soup

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

and then remade them

[queen laurel]

not even a question

[storm jungle]

space marines dont need half the organs they got

theres a reason they are referred to as mutants

they are mass produced slab monsters

[dusk patrol]

The redundancy is half the point

[summer mural]

eversor assassin is the peak of humanity

drugs, comas, violent rage, suicide

[storm jungle]

Custodes are men and women tailored to perfection essentially

it makes more sense that way

[shadow plover]

WOMEN

sounds woke

[storm jungle]

LMAO

but also

[sly ivy]

False that's me

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

yeah physique wise they are like near eldar or better right

[storm jungle]

I guess.

[humble shoal]

Cullexes are mostly female because bodysuits

[summer mural]

eldar have superior physique? I thought they were just bendy and died to hot wind

[storm jungle]

Eldar are just alien so its not comparable, they are on par/better tho ye

[storm jungle]

They are literally superior biologically yeah

[sly ivy]

wtf is this shit custodes aren't fused-skeleton elf twinks

[arctic talon]

They lore wise have much better physique then humans yeah

[storm jungle]

also this is like saying

[arctic talon]

due to muscle + skeletal stuff

[sly ivy]

You people need to repent

[storm jungle]

"humans can make an entire civilization but die from falling down stairs"

[arctic talon]

they have weird compressed muscles

[humble shoal]

Orks have the bestest physique

[arctic talon]

rather then like

human like muscles

[storm jungle]

They are more taut yeah

its like strings

[queen laurel]

i'm comparing physical capability you NPC

[summer mural]

the most power per muscle is probably orks?

[sly ivy]

[arctic talon]

Its still Eldar

ironically

[humble shoal]

More like the most muscle per muscle

[storm jungle]

Its still Eldar

[arctic talon]

for like bodyweight -> strength

[summer mural]

i can see that

[storm jungle]

muscle also doesnt really equate to power

[arctic talon]

but Orks can get

a lot of strength lol

[storm jungle]

you can fight the most muscular guy in existence and they'll still die from a stab to the throat

lol

[arctic talon]

but for actual bodymass -> strength

[queen laurel]

yeah orks make up for it through size

[humble shoal]

But they also get bigger

[arctic talon]

Eldar win

in general

[queen laurel]

they can get to the size of a tank

And let me tell you at that point all that muscle is gonna turn you into a cheesecake

[summer mural]

Eldar win, but are always gettin extinct

[storm jungle]

They arent tbh

[arctic talon]

this is why you pick Dark eldar

[storm jungle]

the lore says as much but they arent going anywhere

[arctic talon]

who aren't going extinct

[storm jungle]

because we need armies to play

[storm jungle]

also LMAO

yeah

copy paste cloning goes brrr

[arctic talon]

I like how the shittiest Eldar are the ones without population issues

sorry

I mean the most based

[storm jungle]

The dynamic between them is great

[dusk patrol]

They’re the Trust Fund Baby faction.

[summer mural]

also, I despise how some eldar are open to cooperation

[sly ivy]

Those who reject His light have no capabilities but to stand and be purged

[dusk patrol]

“Some” is doing heavy lifting there

[storm jungle]

Okay Nazeem

[arctic talon]

guh

[storm jungle]

mfer is gonna talk about the cloud district

[humble shoal]

I think we should virus bomb cummorag

[storm jungle]

wouldnt matter

they would throw it back

[queen laurel]

told you man this guy is about as interesting as an ultra marine

[storm jungle]

lol

people extremely underestimate how vast Commorragh is

[humble shoal]

But I want to play virus bomb volleyball

[summer mural]

does the imperium officially know where commorragh is

[storm jungle]

Theres no "where"

its literally an endless city

its a pocket dimension

[summer mural]

well, how to get to it

[humble shoal]

Its in the immaterium....

[storm jungle]

*webway

[dusk patrol]

Its in the Webway

[storm jungle]

Not really

even if you did its a death sentence

[humble shoal]

Webway is still the immaterium no?

[dusk patrol]

It’s hard to get to and it wouldn’t do much for them

[storm jungle]

its inbetween

[dusk patrol]

Drukhari are pretty low on the priority list anyways

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar drag literal capital ships into that place

[summer mural]

also id be down for the dark eldar doin a proper invasion of someplace instead of the raidin

[humble shoal]

Not saying the warp, but yeah

[storm jungle]

Thats basically what they do

[dusk patrol]

They kinda do

[storm jungle]

the point is they dont need invasions

they are here to steal and leave entire populations

[dusk patrol]

It depends but they do massive scale invasions sometimes

[storm jungle]

they sometimes empty planets so fast there isnt even a response worthy to be made

[summer mural]

dont they drag suns into commorragh too

[sly ivy]

The Webway is sort of the materium in the same way that your digestive system is sort of the outside world vs your internal anatomy.

[storm jungle]

Yep

they got ancient eldar empire tech

it gives them the upper hand on a lot of shit

[queen laurel]

So they can literally just keep expanding in there and live relatively speaking safe

[arctic talon]

they cheat

[storm jungle]

ıts a pocket dimension os its basically endless yes

[humble shoal]

Wonder what would happen if they accidentally drag in a ctan

[summer mural]

dark eldar army roster is one im probably the least familiar with

[queen laurel]

zog me

[arctic talon]

its also prolly one of the oldest

[sly ivy]

lmao

[storm jungle]

its small because xenos but its pretty cool

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

Either it gets imprisoned or makes a rampage and leaves

[summer mural]

whos their elite commando type chad bros

[storm jungle]

Incubi/Incubus

[arctic talon]

their basic infantrry

[humble shoal]

I mean thats the only 2 options ctan have in general

[arctic talon]

technically Incubi/Bloodbrides/Kabalite Trueborn

or er

[arctic talon]

whats the upgraded kabalite squad called

I forgor

[storm jungle]

they are basically Not-Aspect Warriors which helps

[summer mural]

oh they got loads of clothes

nice

[storm jungle]

Well yeah

[summer mural]

I was expecting witch elves or something

[storm jungle]

excuse me

its *wych 🤓

[rocky gale]

[storm jungle]

very important

[summer mural]

i guess har ganeth executioners got loads of clothes too

so fair enough

[sly ivy]

Dark Eldar armor is more or less a direct and not-so-modified descendant of pre-fall Eldar armor no?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

its at this point their own thing

[sly ivy]

One half second before fall

[rocky gale]

Dark eldar drag would slay too hard, I fear

[arctic talon]

Kabalite Trueborn, Hekatrix Bloodbrides and Haemoxytes are the elites of each respective drukjari subgroup

[storm jungle]

also has been modified to just adapt to their "new" culture more

[summer mural]

do the dark eldar have similar battle tactics to aeldar

[arctic talon]

Kabalites, Wychs and haemonculi

[arctic talon]

no

[storm jungle]

Yes

ish

[arctic talon]

well

[storm jungle]

it dpeends i guess

[arctic talon]

They're much more focused on terrorizing people

[queen laurel]

both of them are hit and run specialist

[arctic talon]

and self gratification

LOL

[storm jungle]

all Kabals have their own way of fighting too

[queen laurel]

but eldar have more options

[storm jungle]

some literally dont ever touch the ground just for the challenge of it during a raid

or do other wack shit

[summer mural]

is it like the fantasy counterparts? the druchii and the island bunnies?

[arctic talon]

also they often get into pissing matches with each other

during a realspace raid

[storm jungle]

Island what

[arctic talon]

seeing who can do the most X

[queen laurel]

High elves

[storm jungle]

lol bruh

[summer mural]

i forgot what you call the donut island elves

[queen laurel]

i think he called high elves island bunnies

[storm jungle]

High Elves

LOL

literall the most generic fantasy thing

[summer mural]

no the elvish name

aesir?

[storm jungle]

Asur

[rocky gale]

Aren’t there like actually island elves in fantasy though

[summer mural]

asur

right

thanks

[rocky gale]

Like the sea elves

[storm jungle]

in 40k its Asuryani

totally not stolen from Hindu

[storm jungle]

Not really

[queen laurel]

HIGH ELVES YOU BALD CHIMPANZE

[arctic talon]

They're still high elves

iirc

[storm jungle]

most high elves are on ulthuan

and are all asur even without it

[sly ivy]

it's the anus island b/c they're assholes

Lovable tho

[rocky gale]

Huh I thought there were sea elves

[storm jungle]

they are such assholes they protect the world from a literal vortex calamity

ikr

[arctic talon]

I think an example of how little Drukhari give a shit is like their new detachment where they're literally having a game of who can kill more people with harlequins

[sly ivy]

Protect themselves more like

[storm jungle]

^

[sly ivy]

Bc some frogs told them 2

[storm jungle]

The world more like

its literally said in the rulebook

[summer mural]

yeah so the druchii in fantasy are like the asur, but more aggressive and crossbowy and monstery and shit , i assume thats not the 40k case

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

you say this like the frogs aren't smart

smh

[storm jungle]

Aside from the raiding part they arent that familiar yeah

[arctic talon]

The Drukhari in 40k are much more aggressive, but aside from that yeah

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

they really really really enjoy torturing people or terroirizing people

[sly ivy]

I mean who doesn't

[arctic talon]

they literally hang still living people on jetbikes or raiders

just for funsies

[summer mural]

nice

[queen laurel]

fantasy funnily enough only really has Three types, the high and mighty high elves, the average citizens of detroit the dark elves and the Elitewolf special Woodelves

[arctic talon]

and generally the goal of a real space raid is to get as many slaves as possible

[rocky gale]

Oh turns out there were sea elves in fantasy, but it was just a term for high elves who would sail

[queen laurel]

literally only those 3

[rocky gale]

Because that’s not confusing

[storm jungle]

I mean they are asur

thats it

[arctic talon]

So scaring people into submission is always an option

[storm jungle]

its not that confusing

[summer mural]

all of them are asur yes

[sly ivy]

I have to go to a work meeting and so you all will be laboring in the benighted world devoid of my radiance

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[sly ivy]

I feel bad 4 u

[storm jungle]

they are the starting point faction

[queen laurel]

they mainly use slaves for consumption yeah

[summer mural]

they all came from the donut land too

[storm jungle]

then you either go dark elf or wood elf

yep

[arctic talon]

Wood Elfs = comedy

[queen laurel]

you know the dark eldar biology needing emotions and stuff

[arctic talon]

not really biology

[rocky gale]

Aye but elder scrolls have sea elves and like they’re a totally different kind of elves

[storm jungle]

Love wood elves, love unleashing branchkrieg wooden spirits on french people

[arctic talon]

more like their soul neesd it

[summer mural]

wood elves, " I DONT WANNA LEAVE BRETONNIA, YOU GO HOME"

[arctic talon]

the fey™️

[queen laurel]

yeah that's fair

[storm jungle]

gets agonized by tree spirits instead

"FUCK"

[arctic talon]

I like how even the wood elves

aren't having a good time

[storm jungle]

honestly wood elf lore is so hilariously evil i love it

[summer mural]

fuck orion

[arctic talon]

in the funny tree land

[summer mural]

orion is my least fav part of wood elves

[storm jungle]

Hes pretty hot

so idk

[summer mural]

hes obnoxious

[queen laurel]

And now straight up they are just straight up wood

[storm jungle]

they got wood

[queen laurel]

Straight up made-up of trees

[summer mural]

durthu approves this chat

[storm jungle]

🪵

[storm jungle]

Durthu is literally hitler

i love him

[arctic talon]

Durthu is tree hitler

[storm jungle]

time to launch another Branchkrieg™️ into France 💀

[summer mural]

setting durthu on fire is the wet dream of many a dawi

[sly ivy]

Well yeah they’re wood elves did u think they’d be made of cheese

[rocky gale]

I thought Coedil was tree Hitler

[storm jungle]

nah Durthu is the bigger hater

[summer mural]

cope-edil

doesnt 40k have wood elves too

[storm jungle]

Exodites yeah