40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

also the ending bit literally going

"Just because the Chaos forces retreated the Imperium consider this warzone a victory. It wasn't."

LOL

[arctic talon]

Metalica sure as shit didn't consider it a Victory

I do love how its listed as a "victory" under imperial records t hough

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah thats what I mean, the book says the Imperium considers it one when in reality they got poxfucked in the ass

bros literally left with a "good job lads" while Metalica is screaming in the background

[raven stone]

What happens when the Administratum orders too many busses

[rocky gale]

The Administratum set up a simple code to solve transport issues

if (bus === false)
call bus

Unfortunately the system checks for a bus every millisecond and if one is not present it will request an additional one

[wintry scarab]

In lore, do marines malevolent have primaris in their ranks?

[humble shoal]

Do not see why they wouldn't

[barren prawn]

🚬 the rot consumes

[arctic talon]

yes

[warped kayak]

I've got an old model too, from Mark Jones' (of White Dwarf fame) collection, he gifted me an old Necromunda box as well as a 2nd edition Blood Bowl box, and a big bag of loose bits, this was among the random bits.

[sharp pollen]

new DT enemy - Poxfucker

[winter vessel]

So just the Chaos version of Hemorroids

[vagrant fox]

More dynamic pose than some primaris

[soft thunder]

In SM2 on Chairon's kneepad, does anyone know what that sun marking is? It that looks like a 1k Sons icon?
My brain went strait to this 1k Sons icon but it's different

this nerd

Can't find anything on the calth pages

[crystal forum]

he looks like he's trying to give me his bolt pistol

here take this for the journey ahead

[soft thunder]

it's actually a pez dispenser. He's asking if u want a mint.

[arctic talon]

Honors to be allowed to use an iron halo

[crystal forum]

needing a datasheet for ultramarines 😩

[arctic talon]

Every first founding chapter has one of these lol

[dapper gyro]

GW would make UM the only datasheet for SM if they could.

[winter vessel]

Ooooh. I thought the Roman numeral on their right pauldron represented their company number

But it’s actually the squad number

[gray umbra]

why is my man posing like a plushie doll

[dapper gyro]

It varies.

[arctic talon]

He is a doll

Smh

[dapper gyro]

Raptor has company number on the knee, while the right pauldron Roman number is the squad number.

[spare osprey]

yeah

the trim color marks what company for the UM

[winter vessel]

Raised to be his Angels. Forced to stance like a Squishmallow

[merry panther]

The codex astartes demands it

[winter vessel]

You know I’ve tried at least eight times doing that hand sign

[mellow jay]

❤️

[viral halo]

It’s not too hard

Wouldn’t recommend doing it in populated cities

[arctic talon]

LOL

Make sure you do it next to a bunch of dudes wearing blue and black

[winter vessel]

Haha. A friend of mine who started to get into 40k gave me his two cents on the Imperium of Man on Insta. saying “why does humanity have a skull fetish in the fortieth millennium?”

[outer wave]

Good question

[sly ivy]

Well you see…

It started with a young man and his uncle

And his late father’s skull

Notably, this young man, who grew up fatherless, was later an excellent father to twenty extremely normal well-adjusted sons.

[twilit musk]

I mean the real reason is just skulls are badass though right

[sly ivy]

The real reason is that and that it harks to the ossuaries and death imagery pervasive in the Christianity of the High Middle Ages.

[twilit musk]

that’s badass

[sly ivy]

Which is also of course where the overall gothic look of the world comes from.

Of the 40k imperium

[twilit musk]

Be quite the different setting if they went with imagery of a foot

[sly ivy]

Yeah you really see how, surrounded by that incredible architecture and the intense death and resurrection imagery, the common man was also a zealous Christian at the time.

(It also helps the The Book is legit really good, and I say this as a non Christian)

Also yes lmao

[merry panther]

This could be canon or just be fanon but I do remember reading part of the significance is that the skull is the most basic and unifying representation of humanity as a species as everyone has one

[sly ivy]

That is not true I do not

Wait that’s a brain

[merry panther]

Yep totally fan canon/interpretation

[sly ivy]

I meant I do not have a 💀

[merry panther]

I totally misunderstood but a quick Google search does make what I said seem to be just fan canon

[summer mural]

has tzeentch been added to fortnite yet?

[crisp heath]

😄

i´ve heard there´s 40k characters in fortnite

the kasrkin i think and i was told a sororitas as well

[green loom]

That's for CoD

It was a kasrkin, scout and sororitas

[crisp heath]

ohhhh

this is significantly less funny

[green loom]

It didn't look that bad

But it was p funny

Oh right also a Bladeguard juggernaut skin

Unironically if Fortnite had a 40k event it'd probably be handled super well

[crisp heath]

honestly at least they did a good job in my humble opinion. even sporting the order of our martyred lady symbol, my favourite

[acoustic rock]

Nicki Minaj also has a CoD skin

[green loom]

It was like the first update or something

[summer mural]

Jesus

There's 40k characters in fortnite

[crisp heath]

yaaaaas queen!!!

[barren prawn]

we need to go to turkey and find the skull

IT HAS POWER

[crisp heath]

do you think it actually does 🤔

[barren prawn]

yeah dont see why not

people hes been around have traces why not the skull

[crisp heath]

really

traces of what exactly?

[barren prawn]

not exactly power

just traces of his "light"

[crisp heath]

so the terminator shields actually work....?

[summer mural]

like

storm shields?

[crisp heath]

whatever the thing was that supposedly has a part of the blemperor´s armour in it.

[summer mural]

well

I think his claws are still to be given to a primarch

lion has the the big E' shield

the big blue has his sword

[misty vector]

Abbaddon still has the claws that horus killed him with right

[dusk patrol]

Most Crux Terminatus don’t have a shard of his armor anymore

[summer mural]

also the emperors bolter is still up for grabs ig, along with his claw

[dusk patrol]

Only the oldest

[summer mural]

iirc the emperor had a tiny lookin golden bolter

[crisp heath]

tiny like a derringer?

[dusk patrol]

Had has a lot of stuff, the shield was already something we hadn’t seen before

[summer mural]

well

tiny like a howitzer im assuming

[dusk patrol]

Beyond it resembling his tilting shield

[summer mural]

like a baby pirate cannon

[dusk patrol]

They’ve basically said he had an expansive armory and so they can kinda do whatever they want for giving stuff out

We know his armor got dismantled, it’s implied his claw was too but we’ll see.

[summer mural]

I wouldnt be surprised if the ravens primarch gets his lightning claw, or khan

but really you can give pretty much any primarch one of his weapons, its not like the type matters

[dusk patrol]

We’ll see, it seems they might go for the opposite of the obvious

But we have a sample size of two so

[summer mural]

true

and those are good picks

lion already has a goated blade

and guilliman needs all the help he can get with all the aggro he draws

[dusk patrol]

I mean he was given it by the Watchers he didn’t have it before

[summer mural]

yeah ,my point is, its nice he got the shield instead of something else

the watchers are totally deathwatch approved amirite

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t really matter either way but watchers do work with DW Dark Angels sometimes

[summer mural]

interesting

[dusk patrol]

What they are isn’t really clear

[summer mural]

the deathwatch seems like the best job for a 'elite' marine group

they dont have to deal with all the chaos fuckery , at least not usually

they just get to plan out how to kill aliens everyday

and you get to hang out with oddballs from other chapters

[dusk patrol]

They often fight chaos too

But yeah it’s a good squad setup

[summer mural]

they get in fights with everyone yeah, but its not exactly in the job description specifically

[dusk patrol]

It is, they’re often connected

It’s a very common occurrence for them to fight both or chaos who are part of the objective

[summer mural]

it would be nice if deathwatch leadership had a bigger role in 40k sometimes

but once in a while you get some watch commander lore and thats that

like that guy who has the fortress near ultramar

[median star]

also is it just me or do we never see any terminator deathwatch

[summer mural]

the one whos pals with calgar

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty

[summer mural]

mordelai

[dusk patrol]

Often they’re just part of squads in their terminator gear

[median star]

does the deathwatch have or deploy dreadnaughts

[summer mural]

they have em

[median star]

would it have to be a black shield or are chapters willingly going yea grandpa sorry were sending you to the deathwatch have fun

[summer mural]

Idr, but ik they are supposedly rare because to get interred within a dw dreadnought basically means your a deathwatch member for life, well "life"

[dusk patrol]

Marines who are deemed valuable enough rarely are interred during their service

Also it’s possible a dread might be requested for their expertise or whatever

But no they don’t really go home if they’re interred during their service

[summer mural]

yeah, you gotta be a vet to join the dw in the first place , i imagine dw venerable dreadnoughts are quite knowledgeable on how to poison eldar snacks

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of cases of DW specifically requesting specialists from chapters who have a lot of knowledge of a specific enemy

Or request them to take the vigil again

[summer mural]

iirc theres also a lore/codex entry about a dreadnought in dw called xenomortis whos been there so long they forgot his original name and chapter

[median star]

im assuming the deathwatch have serfs like all other chapters are they any different or anything remarkable about them compared to most other chapter serfs

[dusk patrol]

Varies, often it’s inquisition personnel

Sometimes it’s serfs from their chapter

[summer mural]

its nice you get to take home the deathwatch shoulder badge though

i like little visual upgrades

[median star]

being renamed the equivalent to alien death is wild work

[summer mural]

like titus wearing the wreaths in the secret level ep

[sly ivy]

Who gets the emperors toothbrush

[dusk patrol]

Your mom

For redacted reasons

[sly ivy]

it’s probably a piece of charcoal tied with sinew Neolithic sob

[sly ivy]

Wait when does she get it does she already have it

[rotund grove]

whats the lore behind zealot's transcendent helmets only having one eye open?

[shadow plover]

pink eye

[celest dome]

The same as all the other 1 eyed cosmetic, used by someone who has previously lost an eye

[shell mason]

honestly

can the primarchs have the sex and have the babies?

[sly ivy]

Yes little known fact Dorn was pregnant for most of the Siege

It explains his nesting instinct

[dusk patrol]

We have no examples of it

And 40k isn’t written by fanfiction.net writers largely so

[crystal forum]

depth perception is for HERETICS

[shadow plover]

Miffed, forgot today was the pre-order day for this

[viral halo]

Fuck that’s a good one

[rocky gale]

Ye

and the Krieg box was gone on 3rd party sites in less than 5 minutes

[shadow plover]

well yeah that's a given

[rose thorn]

Boy i am glad that so many people were able to get the box 100% without the intention to scam krieg players in order :D I sure do hope that we don’t see the same box on eBay for hundreds of dollars more!

[sly ivy]

It is true I literally cannot tell a lie

[humble shoal]

Do you people not even have bots?

||this is a blizzard reference||

[vagrant fox]

Fulgrim was enough of a slut to try and he didn't sire any children

[crisp heath]

wow really

[keen nova]

Pretty sure fulgrim was fuggin'

[keen nova]

Can't read the description rn but I'd say it's damaged wargear

[tough haven]

Dakka is better

[humble shoal]

Reject pregnancy Dorn, embrace dakka dakka Vulcan

[crystal forum]

what is with germans in WW1 and WW2 related media often being portrayed wearing gas masks at all times

even krieg does it

is it because gas masks are inherently scary due to them concealing the face

[humble shoal]

to hide their sick dueling scars

[crystal forum]

lol

youtube recommended me this

https://youtu.be/OMjPZjnaPaE?si=1yyMK8maaD44vo9D

never saw the movie

it's a well made action scene all things considered

but notice the gas masks

AND bonus point

[dusk patrol]

They look cool

End of discussion

[crystal forum]

when the guy is wrestling with the german on the ground his gas mask is knocked off and it reveals his young face, showing a scared visage

so the lack of the gas mask accentuates the innocence of the youth

it's like a contrast of foreign danger

[humble shoal]

which also ironically works with krieg

since the average age is like 18

[crystal forum]

i genuinely think gas masks are modern day theater masks

when used in movies

[humble shoal]

pretty much tbh

a representation of one of the italian ones

don't know the characters

[crisp heath]

Well, kriegers are actually supposed to be an amalgam of french and german ww1 troops

And ww1 simply is infamous for its gas warfare

[dusk patrol]

It’s an amalgamation of most of the major armies tbh

They have elements of French, British, German, and so on

[crystal forum]

i wonder if it's the lack of a nose and mouth that makes gas masks scary

or maybe the large eyes

[dusk patrol]

Big eyes, what they represent

Elongated face

It looks unnatural and inhumane

[crystal forum]

uncanny valley almost

[dusk patrol]

Same as plague doctor masks

It’s the association and also how it looks

Like I don’t get the same feeling with fire fighter masks

Despite them being similar

[crystal forum]

it would be hard not to notice the similarity to a skull

for krieg masks

the high cheekbones

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

With 40k especially they play that up

Even more so now with actual skull designs on them

[crystal forum]

what about a welding mask?

[dusk patrol]

Sorta I guess but I think the association with gas masks is a big part

[humble shoal]

I do with old timey fireman masks

[dusk patrol]

Well stop being such a pussy

[dusk patrol]

Some of them are pretty badass ngl

[humble shoal]

they look like gimp masks

[crystal forum]

oof

[crystal forum]

wouldn't want to see that at night

[humble shoal]

yeah.....

the one on the right seems like a gentleman

the top is a psyker mask

[crystal forum]

oh hey i have a simple one

[humble shoal]

the left one is a zealot cosmetic, they aren't allowed in my house

[crystal forum]

this one isnt even a mask

but obscuring the eyes has an effect

[dusk patrol]

Old firefighters were fucking hardcore

The shit they did to try to let them go into the fires at all and survive

[humble shoal]

yeah but some of the mask designs look like they want to wear your skin

[crystal forum]

firefighters are still hardcore

[dusk patrol]

I didn’t say they weren’t

They used to be hardcore

[crystal forum]

[dusk patrol]

They still are

But they used to too

[crystal forum]

lets not forget old diving suits https://external-preview.redd.it/6y47sD7q8hUrI1uBWLv9Js2tVsUHl3WmNu4ZnF8Qa30.jpg?auto=webp&s=9bf8ab6d4b646f31f4eafa197f75ef5570670852

[dusk patrol]

Wild stuff

[crystal forum]

which isnt the same effect since it's utterly alien

imo

[dusk patrol]

Yeah not trying to take away from firefighters of today cause it’s still a fucking insane job, but man back then they had absolutely nothing half the time

[dusk patrol]

Like you could barely get water to the locations

And diving suit dudes were and still are insane

[crystal forum]

fuck now im reminded of darkwood

[dusk patrol]

Deep sea welding is

Just awful

[crystal forum]

not many old diving welders out there for a reason

[dusk patrol]

They don’t let you do it for very long anyways

[crystal forum]

fucks up your body yeah

[dusk patrol]

Cause you get electrocuted yeah

So there’s a limit

Pays amazing for when you can but

God it’s hellish

[crystal forum]

i get working hard to get paid good but i think i have a limit

[dusk patrol]

The conditions are just awful, you’re down there for hours

Have to shit and pee in the suit

Fucking pitch black ocean

[crystal forum]

if it's long term you have to stay in a pressurized habitat

and the air is recycled

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

so if you fart it's forever

[dusk patrol]

It pays great but

Ugh

I couldn’t

[crystal forum]

same

i'd rather weld in space in 60 years

i legit trust space more than deep ocean

[dusk patrol]

I’m happy where I’m at

Welding already is pretty lucrative anyways

[sly ivy]

Based fart chamber

[crystal forum]

if tech industry collapses im probably going welding lol

[dusk patrol]

Tbf if that happens you might have bigger problems

[crystal forum]

honestly the world will survive without the tech industry

we really dont contribute as much as it seems

but welders will always be needed!

[dusk patrol]

That’s my joke always, if for some reason I’m out of a job, I probably have way bigger issues

Like the US suddenly losing all its power infrastructure

[crystal forum]

on the plus side that means you know where all the free copper is

[dusk patrol]

Gonna have a leg up on those Stone Age mfers

Welding is also something that being able to do it for practical purposes is pretty damn useful

[crystal forum]

yeah it involves a lot of knowledge about metallurgy and machining

[dusk patrol]

I did consider welding but the nice thing with being an electrician is the lack of physical toll on the body compared to most blue collar jobs

There’s still some depending on what you’re doing but

It’s very easy to do at an older age comparatively

[crystal forum]

meh unless you're doing oil rig welding and other outdoor stuff you'll just be in a factory doing stuff

im pretty sure pulling cabling through walls gets old eventually

i heard in the US the real lazy money making is in certification

i know a georgian furry who's just stinky fucking rich from house inspection

[crystal forum]

how white do you think it would be to make a video essay about the usage of gas masks in movies

i've also noticed a trend of "good guy" gas masks showing more of the face

can't recall the recent movie but they made a custom gas mask thing that's just a transparent face piece with no actual working parts

oh wait

the one from 12 monkeys is kinda like this https://i0.wp.com/longreads.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/screen-shot-2021-01-08-at-10.10.27-am.png?fit=2273%2C1514&ssl=1

showing bruce willis's face

avatar https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jamescameronsavatar/images/2/26/Jake%2C_seeing_arrows_on_Hell_Truck's_wheels.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20220219005809

[wraith pond]

Pretty black if you ask me

[crystal forum]

caucasian activities

[wraith pond]

Nah but it’s always a black guy with the white board and shit

And he’s got like the really tiny mic that he’s holding

And he’s very animated with the hand gestures and shi

[crisp heath]

phrasing things like "how white do i have to be..." is SUCH an american thing to do

why are you all so obsessed with race, honestly

[dusk patrol]

He’s Canadian

[crisp heath]

so he´s american

canadia is in america

[dusk patrol]

But that only makes it funnier

[dusk patrol]

You’re right I forgot about United Statians, the common parlance

[humble shoal]

how white do I have to be to be unable to tan

[crisp heath]

you can say USAians for short

[humble shoal]

wouldn't know myself

[crystal forum]

i just like gas masks

[dusk patrol]

It’s a cool subject

I’d say do it

[storm jungle]

Its not really about being white its about understanding drip

[humble shoal]

drip transcends

[storm jungle]

gasmasks in fiction are a huge subject onto themselves

[dusk patrol]

Worse case no one reads it

[humble shoal]

feel like I've watched 3 video essays on just the outfit of the jin roh guys

[crystal forum]

what do you think of my idea that gas masks are modern day theater masks

[storm jungle]

Its not wrong

[dusk patrol]

Video essayists will really make a hour long video to explain how gas masks look cool

[storm jungle]

gasmasks convey character very well

[crystal forum]

they also hide the face which is the most important part of a character

[storm jungle]

Yep it dehumanizes them

[dusk patrol]

Also they look cool

[storm jungle]

its why when you see a soldier doing atrocities with a gasmask their eyes are always hidden

theres a lot of good messaging there

[crystal forum]

sometimes they're just used to look cool yeah

in video games it's done a lot

[dusk patrol]

They’re always used to look cool

Sometimes they have other purposes too

[arctic talon]

They look creepy/cool irl

[humble shoal]

go further

[dusk patrol]

Also, for money reasons

[storm jungle]

Soviet gasmasks

[humble shoal]

kriegers are just harlequins

[dusk patrol]

Faces are hard to make

[storm jungle]

my beloved

[crystal forum]

mostly i see gas masks used to look evil not cool

[arctic talon]

I mean both are true

tbh

[storm jungle]

Thats usually the purpose ye

again its de-humanizing

[dusk patrol]

Easier to make a ton of dudes with a helmet than a bunch of facial models

[arctic talon]

you can have half gas masks for "heroic" people

[humble shoal]

its like the italian death mask

[storm jungle]

^

seeing someones face usually makes them more relatable

[dusk patrol]

Heroic gas masks you just do fire fighter ones

[storm jungle]

we convey a ton with our eyes

[dusk patrol]

Like avatar

[arctic talon]

mhm

thats a good point

[crisp heath]

look at my character isn´t she just so cool

[crystal forum]

yeah and i noticed that good guy gas masks tend to show the face more like in avatar

[storm jungle]

Also very relavent

love that one

[arctic talon]

also in animation faceless goons

[dusk patrol]

Also the good guys can warrant a budget to show the face

[humble shoal]

thats not a gasmask thats a binky

[arctic talon]

Gasmasks let you reuse actors

or masks in general

[dusk patrol]

Faceless goons, shockingly, don’t get a face

[crystal forum]

also a waste of an actor to hide their face lol

[storm jungle]

I mean

it depends

if you are a pussy sure

[arctic talon]

Judge Dread

my GOAT

[storm jungle]

be a chad like-

YEP

[dusk patrol]

Still had his chin

[arctic talon]

this is true

[storm jungle]

a good actor shouldnt complain about their face being hidden

[crystal forum]

dude billy butcher played dredd 80% through mouth acting alone

[dusk patrol]

It’s like cyclops, you have to get an actor with big kissy lips and a nice jaw

[storm jungle]

100%

Urban literally insisted to wear the helmet

which is even funnier

[storm jungle]

since the complaint was "well we wont see you clearly"

[humble shoal]

go back to poe

[dusk patrol]

The worst part is Stallone has the perfect jaw to be Dredd

[storm jungle]

"dont care, its better"

[humble shoal]

who is stealing from the italians

[storm jungle]

Literally yeah

he just didnt want his face hidden in comparison lol

[crystal forum]

i love when actors use unconventional ways to act

like body language

who's that clown guy

from the video game movie

[storm jungle]

uh

[celest dome]

Pedro Pascale doing a lot of faceless/helmet scenes is good

[storm jungle]

that doesnt nail anything down

[storm jungle]

Pedro was great as Mando

even as the show went to shit lol

[crystal forum]

the insane clown guy from the video game about cars

[storm jungle]

OHHH

SWEETTOOTH

DUDE

[crystal forum]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

HBO shows prove you can emote with your penis too.

[storm jungle]

the actor in that show was fucking peak

[dusk patrol]

Only the best actors can do it

[humble shoal]

twisted metal

[storm jungle]

its insane how its a body actor + voice actor working together

[storm jungle]

thats the one

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/P5MJ-KpvVQI?si=mqf3FTZbzC3IjPn5

this is mostly body language acting

[crisp heath]

what´s your favourite penis emote to do

[celest dome]

Twisted metal was great

[storm jungle]

this scene is what made me watch the show, super worth it

[dusk patrol]

🚁

[crisp heath]

lool

[arctic talon]

something something squid game mask something

[crystal forum]

they barely act lol

[dusk patrol]

I love Will Arnett but they should have let Samoan Joe just voice him too

[storm jungle]

i think it came out very good either way

its a good symbiosis of both

[arctic talon]

they are literally extras

so like whatever

[storm jungle]

ngl id love to get a part like that

wear a mask

do nothing

[arctic talon]

you get to shoot people

[storm jungle]

maybe shoot homeless people

[arctic talon]

or carry box

[storm jungle]

the life

[crystal forum]

and then you have to convince your family you're right there in the scene

[arctic talon]

or potentially you'll be one of the lucky ones who actually get to do some acting

[dusk patrol]

They did a fantastic job making up for the unquenchable charisma void that is Anthony Mackie

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

gonna google who that is

LOL

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-circle-guard-gif-16658387912230794049

[storm jungle]

falcon, rip

[dusk patrol]

He’s a guy who works fine as the sidekick or a secondary character

[storm jungle]

I do love how like

[dusk patrol]

But fuck me keep he away from starring roles ugh

[storm jungle]

whenever MCU characters appear in other movies they literally look like they are in heaven

and actually get to act

its so funny

[crystal forum]

i think an interesting take on body acting is hardcore henry since we literally dont see the protagonist's face

[storm jungle]

oh man

great example, love that movie

https://tenor.com/view/hardcore-henry-henry-jimmy-coke-jimmy-okay-gif-188426572398334408

[celest dome]

I quite like Anthony Mackie
Falcon is just not really interesting.
Cpt America 2.0

[dusk patrol]

Also Copley and Serkis are the lazy but great examples of it

[dusk patrol]

I think he can do pretty good in dramas

But he can’t do action movie starring roles

He just doesn’t have it

[storm jungle]

well, hes black

[crystal forum]

it's weird because it's hard to explain acting through body language but you can clearly understand how much a scene is elevated with it

[dusk patrol]

Altered Carbon season 2 ugh

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Also shows a ton of personality

even if hes a audience surrogate

[celest dome]

Wait what does tha mean

[storm jungle]

you know what it means...

[humble shoal]

best example is restling

[dusk patrol]

Do we?

[humble shoal]

which is 90% physical acting

[arctic talon]

is he captain america now

or something

[storm jungle]

if you watched Falcunt and the Winter Cunt then yes

[celest dome]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[arctic talon]

like he was in the comics at one point

[celest dome]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Him and Bucky both were

[crystal forum]

that's true

[arctic talon]

wait nvm he is captain america rn in the comics

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4lK41SX-Q pure physical acting

[celest dome]

Comic Falcon become the new Cpt. America

[arctic talon]

oh god

he got hit with the MCUinator

[dusk patrol]

I don’t wanna think about current comic cap stuff

[storm jungle]

well you will

[crystal forum]

he'll be 50 before he's in a movie

[storm jungle]

40k is on the same vein

[dusk patrol]

Fuck me why does it always have to be so lame

[storm jungle]

no escape

[dusk patrol]

40k is fine compared to that shit

[storm jungle]

ehhh

arguable lol

[crystal forum]

like god it took them so long to finally reuse the logan girl

[dusk patrol]

Always some dork trying to be clever

[storm jungle]

Yes thats 40k

[dusk patrol]

It’s not

[storm jungle]

It is

its literally MCU crap

especially with primarchs too

god

i hate it

[celest dome]

Wasn't Falcon -> Captain America something that had happened before in the comics ?

[storm jungle]

Yeah it has

[arctic talon]

yes

[storm jungle]

it was the entire point of the show

and him uh

[arctic talon]

except they made him look like the actor

[storm jungle]

taking the "mantle"

[arctic talon]

in the comics now

LOL

[storm jungle]

LOL

YEA

[dusk patrol]

Also Bucky

And others

[arctic talon]

bro got hit with the MCU ray

[celest dome]

So was it MCUinator ?

[crystal forum]

why do they want to replace captain america in the comics

[storm jungle]

Because Steve is old

[dusk patrol]

Idk

[storm jungle]

and I guess white

[crystal forum]

i get the movies since actor is old

[storm jungle]

its not him being old

he literally wanted to quit

[celest dome]

Steve Roger isn't really interesting anymore but Captain America is 'iconic'

[storm jungle]

poor guy couldnt take billions of dollars

[crisp heath]

there´s not much that i would judge people for, but if you like superhero trash you´re dead to me

[dusk patrol]

It’s writers being hacks

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

HOLY SHIT A GHOST

[celest dome]

Also new writers and artist want to make their own thing, but are beholden by their owner and such

[crystal forum]

didn't iron man suck in comics before robert downy jr

[celest dome]

So they do half new things

[storm jungle]

at the time of the movie he was very B-list

[dusk patrol]

It’s like pro wrestling, everyone wants heel turns cause writing good guys is hard

[storm jungle]

it cannot be said how huge the success of the movie was for the character

(and i get it the movie kicks ass)

[humble shoal]

he had the mandarin

[dusk patrol]

So cap had an edgy phase every other issue

[crystal forum]

weird

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes they worked but it’s like evil Superman

It’s so played out

[arctic talon]

No

Well yesnt

him going from falcon -> captain america wasn't

his face magically changing is

[humble shoal]

the batman who raughs

whahahahahahahaha

[crisp heath]

you´re all fucking DEAD to me 🫵

[arctic talon]

he's like a B list superhero, hes also a massive egotisitcal prick in the comics

like Movie Tony stark aint got shit

[dusk patrol]

I wish they’d have given Sam the super soldier serum though

Makes no sense for him not to

[humble shoal]

The one character all of the writers hate is spirderman

[crystal forum]

i feel like he also is in the movies but robert downy is just so charismatic that people eventually turned him nice

[dusk patrol]

Ugh don’t remind me

[dusk patrol]

They don’t play up his alcoholism and assholeish nature as much

[crystal forum]

also wtf was robert downy jr doing before iron man i feel like this man could have been a god actor at 20

[dusk patrol]

He was

He had issues

[celest dome]

Big issues

[dusk patrol]

https://youtu.be/UhjHVQsJOlo?si=lVcaFVGTMT7ohAed

This was a Simpson joke when he was younger for example

[celest dome]

If Iron man hadn't saved his career he most likely would have overdosed or something

[dusk patrol]

To give an idea of how he was seen

[humble shoal]

you seen tropic thunder

[crystal forum]

oh right

i forgot he's in that

[dusk patrol]

That and Iron man were his comeback movies

And uh

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

[humble shoal]

hes such a good actor to play an actor playing a black man

[storm jungle]

He was playng a dude disguised as another dude to be fair

[arctic talon]

Nah he’s not nearly enough of an egomaniac

Movie iron man is like

[dusk patrol]

They made him a much better person

[arctic talon]

Chill

[humble shoal]

yeah comics iron man is a heavy narcissist

[dusk patrol]

Like even iron man 1 he’s not as bad a person early on

[arctic talon]

His first concern when his stuff is stolen isn’t that it’s being used to kill people

[dusk patrol]

Stan Lee literally wanted to make him the worst kind of person

[arctic talon]

It’s that his stuff got stolen

Lol

[humble shoal]

Iron man basically says "hey we should lock up all of the superpowered people" and it wassn't out of character

[arctic talon]

Then it’s that it’s being used to kill people

[dusk patrol]

Nepobaby, womanizing, alcoholic billionaire arms dealer

[arctic talon]

He doesn’t hate mutants tbf

[crystal forum]

is he just an evil batman in comics

[arctic talon]

He just hates everyone that isn’t him mostly

[arctic talon]

No

[dusk patrol]

He’s not evil

[arctic talon]

No one in DC is like him

Also he’s not evil yeah

[dusk patrol]

He’s just an asshole

[dusk patrol]

Kinda Green Arrow

[crystal forum]

weird question but why is he a hero

[dusk patrol]

Kinda

[dusk patrol]

Similar reason to the movie

[arctic talon]

Because he thinks he’s been responsible for so much suffering so he needs to solve it

Also yeah the movie stuff

[crystal forum]

ah

[celest dome]

Cause for the most part he find it fun, and he want to repay his sins

[humble shoal]

because he needs to have people alive to keep making money

[dusk patrol]

He was an arms dealer and his family was

[humble shoal]

mind you moon knight is considered a hero

[dusk patrol]

And he feels guilt

[crystal forum]

isn't that literally wayne industries

[dusk patrol]

Wayne Industries does everything tbh but they don’t sell their weapons to just anyone

[humble shoal]

wayne is closer to a conglomerate

[celest dome]

Well Wayne industry isn't/wasn't just a military enterprise

[humble shoal]

tony basically owns raytheon

[dusk patrol]

A lot of it they don’t sell at all

[humble shoal]

or really Northrup

[crystal forum]

oh right i forgot the point of iron man 1 being that the bad guys have cluster bombs instead of just good guy america

[dusk patrol]

Lexcorp is more comparable

[humble shoal]

Basically wayne is like samsung

[celest dome]

Yeah Lexcorp is quite fitting, except the Superman hate boner

[humble shoal]

diversity wise

[crystal forum]

you can tell iron man 1 was written in a post afghanistan invasion world

like damn

[dusk patrol]

Basically, Tony let Obidiah run the company after his parents died

And he trusted him to not be selling to literally anyone

Which he eventually learns he was and so on

It’s basically the movie

[crystal forum]

it's just the fact that the weapon shown at the start of the movie is horrific

and anybody is supposed to own it

you know the cluster bomb thing

[storm jungle]

Its usual hollywood Departmen of Defense bullshit yeah

we cant show americans using it but evil generic arabs works

sorry I mean the uh 10 Rings

[arctic talon]

They’re Chinese

Technically

[crystal forum]

iron man 2 had the evil russian dude who really hated iron man for uh

why?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

famous

which ngl i get

rich people should be shot

[arctic talon]

Tony was a dick to him

[crystal forum]

he cut an F1 car in half

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

That’s literally it

Iirc

[storm jungle]

YEP it is

[arctic talon]

Oh wait

The second dude

Not the third

[storm jungle]

he literally looks at the TV tony is on and gets mad

lol

[arctic talon]

Whoops

[storm jungle]

THAT I get

he literally leaves him as a crippled dude standing on the freezing rooftop during new years

[arctic talon]

His dad helped Howard stark make the arc reactor

[storm jungle]

its incredibly mean and fitting for Tony

especially when he could have been like uh

"I got a girl I wanna fuck rn but heres my card, lets talk properly later"

but again it fits Tony

[crystal forum]

isn't elon musk in one of the movies for some reason

[storm jungle]

was he?

[crystal forum]

for like a second

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

HE HAS A WIKI PAGE

[arctic talon]

He was yeah

[storm jungle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[arctic talon]

Because they were using space x

[storm jungle]

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Elon_Musk

[arctic talon]

For filming

Tbh

It fits that tony knows him

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

Yeah i agree

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/nfiRd4Y5z_g?si=rsLmXHBsrrrTvmJ5

[storm jungle]

but still hilarious

[crystal forum]

the first one too

nobody knew who elon even was lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

DUDE

"dubious canon"

i cant

[arctic talon]

LOL

[crystal forum]

elon musk is canonically in the MCU but he's not relevant at all

how funny

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Why would he be relevant

Beyond being a random ass cameo

[storm jungle]

Tony Stark is basically what musk wishes he could be is the thing lol

a guy that literally arguably saved the entire human race + made amazing tech developments

i guess musk is close with the sexbots

kinda

[celest dome]

And is polling well in popularity

Isn't endlessly mocked

[storm jungle]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Stark is like not super popular in the comics lol

Well his company is

But not him

[celest dome]

IM kinda is though

[arctic talon]

This is true

But stark as a person is still disliked in universe even if he is Iron Man

[celest dome]

And he has friends and more

[arctic talon]

He made a clone of Thor

[celest dome]

He still is a dick

But the common people don't hate him like Musk is

[crystal forum]

i love when he spouts random bullshit like people do about 40k except he's rich so people take him seriously

he knows everything about every single tech sector

[arctic talon]

He is like

A mega nerd

Elon musk is not a nerd

[celest dome]

There is one comic series where Stark has one of the infinity stone growing in his brain

Forgot which

[crystal forum]

he pretends to be, that's for sure

[arctic talon]

Superior Iron Man who was tony stark but evil

[celest dome]

Was an issue with Maker Reed Richard

[arctic talon]

Pretty much was like almost the exact same

In terms of personality lol

[crystal forum]

smart people know when to let experts in the relevant field do the talking for them

[queen laurel]

That guy had the sick liquid suit right liquid

That was a symbiote

[arctic talon]

Elon Musk also pretends to be good at video games

Which is even more pathetic

[arctic talon]

I think

He looked like an apple product

Lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's suit that he can manipulate made of a symbiote

I'm pretty sure

[storm jungle]

dude this comic was fucking crazy

also probably the most realistic iron man take lol

[arctic talon]

Iron man but he doubles down on his narcism

[queen laurel]

Of course rich people bad

[storm jungle]

it even goes beyond that honestly

him getting people addicted to his nightmare gigachad virus and infecting the entire water supplies of the city with it among so much other shit is crazy

what he did to Daredevil too lmao

[arctic talon]

He gave daredevil his sight back

And then took it away

[storm jungle]

least sociopathic planetary governor ahh

[arctic talon]

Are any mainline 616 heros actually mutantphobic lol

[storm jungle]

Mostly no

they just dont wanna help

[arctic talon]

Sounds about right

[storm jungle]

because Xmen literally exists in its own bubble

which is funny

[queen laurel]

Okay so they worry about mutants that much even though the hulk is like what a few states away

[arctic talon]

One of the more recent Iron Man runs was like

[queen laurel]

The guy that can clap so hard he could probably sink a continent

[arctic talon]

Him against some anti mutant thing right

Yeah I found it

Some dude took over stark industries and was using it to do genocide

[celest dome]

Remember that series where non Mutant were second class citizen and non Mutant Super hero were outlawed. And at some point Spiderman who had gone public (as a 'mutant) was revealed that he wasn't a Mutant and again got thrown to the gutter ?

[storm jungle]

he also hung himself

LOL

fucking love that story, its so funny

[celest dome]

Oh right

[queen laurel]

With his own webbing too

[storm jungle]

YEP

its peak

[celest dome]

Still not the top 3 worst thing that happened to him

[queen laurel]

Yeah the first one was being created

Because now he would be subjected to the faith of being suffering

[celest dome]

Marvel writer should lose the right to Spiderman for moral failing

[storm jungle]

40k writers thinking they write the most grimdark shit until Spiderman comic writers walk in the room

💀 💀 💀

[celest dome]

You can't miss treat our young boy Parker like that, he doesn't deserve it

[queen laurel]

When i'm in a making a character happy is a foreign concept competition but my enemy is a spider-man writer

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Like dude it's literally ingrained on being a spider-man that you suffer

Literally every single multiversal version of him

Suffers

It's literally a canon event

[celest dome]

I lost all interest in main line Spider Man comics since that Mephisto business

[queen laurel]

Dc and marvel comics right now aren't really doing so hot

I will say dc is in the better right now because of the absolute universe

Absolute batman especially being built like a chaos warrior

[young pecan]

Cue the unraveling or whatever it was called

I don't read comics but just hearing about that one and the Marvel Zombie universe is crazy

[spare osprey]

Tbf it was him faking his death

So mighta got ridiculed but hey lived a nice life with his family in the end

[arctic talon]

this shit was really funny tbf

[young pecan]

Hypothetically how hard would it be for Spiderman to hang himself anyhow

He has crazy high durability, doesn't he?

[celest dome]

Very difficult

[young pecan]

Like awkwardly difficult I would imagine

[arctic talon]

extremely

lol

[queen laurel]

Wardens trust us

[arctic talon]

He'd have to tie weights to his legs prolly

[queen laurel]

This is important for warhammer lore

[queen laurel]

I would say though whoever made the decision to make becoming a spider-person as like something that would make you immediately suffer

Is not it

Seriously it's literally destined that you need to suffer a tragedy before you truly become a full fledge spider hero

[sly ivy]

@storm jungle u missed a lot we’re coming 2 Turkey 2 find a skull

[winter vessel]

In marvel they create “Paul”, an insufferable dick who exists to take MJ away from Peter.

[storm jungle]

damn nah bruh ill pass

[winter vessel]

Meanwhile at my workplace. I know a guy named Paul, who is also an insufferable dick

[celest dome]

I really should catch up on Thorgal, have gifted the last couples to my dad but haven't read them yet

[crisp heath]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMr0DalzDA&pp=ygUlZnJhbmsgaGFuZ3MgaGltc2VsZiBpdCdzIGFsd2F5cyBzdW5ueQ%3D%3D

[arctic talon]

thank you Rogue Trader

very cool

[winter vessel]

Interesting trade

[storm jungle]

WHAT IN THE-

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-2-death-space-marine-2-gif-12976716491498684396

[arctic talon]

man I gotta stick around on Dragonus more lol

there's a lot of noble dialogue

[winter vessel]

He Must be getting bored

[young pecan]

God that's so horrid

[winter vessel]

That’s like the equivalent of Cyberpunk when you hire a doll for their services. Except this is grimdark, and probably gonna be a painful experience but he’s gonna like it

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀

[young pecan]

A walking, lobotomized corpse is what he bites his lip at

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1303491919565033563/wdsj76dcqexd1.png?ex=67839eb3&is=67824d33&hm=432694f26f6db9818f423a4bf604a4b791afc02d09511709d990f8a084ee4841&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=443&height=350

[storm jungle]

to be fair

even rich people IRL like

legit got as equal or worse kinks

[arctic talon]

This one is older

but like still lol

[young pecan]

Yeah don't remind me

[winter vessel]

Well once they have everything they thought could want. Tastes can change

[young pecan]

I forget who but someone was buying Epstein Island to "renovate it"

[winter vessel]

Not for the better

[storm jungle]

When you got everything you get bored yep

[young pecan]

[storm jungle]

its where the sick tastes develop

its peak hedonism

[young pecan]

If I was rich I would be built diff

[winter vessel]

It’s honestly scary. You won’t be aware of it when it happens,

It just does

[young pecan]

So many hobbies to pick up and suddenly you now have all the time and money in the world to pursue it however you want

[queen laurel]

It's a wonder to me how some of them haven't fallen to slannesh

[humble shoal]

also trauma bonding with the other rich people

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the thing, real world doesnt exactly always have (or most) kind of justice so theres very much rich people prob kidnapping homeless people nobody will miss to kill them in some attic or some shit to get a high

truth is always stranger than fiction lol

[humble shoal]

like the epstein prequel with the Franklin Bank

[storm jungle]

yep

its why i love people going

"man i bet paradise worlds are great to live at"

yeah not for you slave

[young pecan]

A strange, devastating part of what is seemingly human nature is to always want more

[storm jungle]

For most ye

some people are very content

but thats a can of worms onto itself

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[crisp heath]

Will to Power

[winter vessel]

As a kid I Spent a few years in the Philippines to get to know where my family was from. Sixteen years later I’ve learned to appreciate what I got and not ask for more.

[humble shoal]

its why is bs the eldar made slaanesh

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

Minimalist

I guess

[crisp heath]

They could always be more content. Even when buddhist monks desire less and less, they just desire more of nothing.

[vagrant fox]

Embrace hedonism, live life

[storm jungle]

Well thats the thing

some just dont

[queen laurel]

Are we going deep into this one or should we move on to something

[crisp heath]

There's still a will to power, a will to growth, a will to better hidden there somewhere.

[winter vessel]

Okay

[crisp heath]

It's worth mentioning

[celest dome]

The thing is that in most case, where there are 10 people in power, even if 8 are going to be content with what they have, there is going to be 2 that still want more, and will start to create a competition and make thing shit for us down below.
So in the end you end up with those people going up most of the time

[young pecan]

Sue is a bop from what little I know of her

I DO NOT FW SUE

[queen laurel]

Hey it's a good topic it's just that talking on something like that on this discord can lead to a spiral of an argument that's not going to go well

Just saying rather keep it low key

[crisp heath]

There's not much to argue about

[queen laurel]

Yes

[crisp heath]

It's a synthetic truth of experience

[winter vessel]

She’s nice to spider man, which is a neat callback to Peter and Johnny being friends

[queen laurel]

She's one of the people that genuinely hold the fantastic four together

[winter vessel]

From my understanding, these variants already have their children

[young pecan]

One of the... four people... you could say....

[crisp heath]

If i stop desiring things in the world like riches or status and seemingly become content just being the way i am, this is still a desire to be more with myself, be at peace with myself. And even in this peace, there is still a war and self-overcoming. @storm jungle

[young pecan]

But yeah I've only seen a smattering of Fantastic Four stuff and Sue keeps twirling her hair at Namor while being with Reed

[arctic talon]

thats been over for a while

iirc

[young pecan]

I think there was one time Black Panther made moves on her too

[queen laurel]

No canonically

She despises namor

That's like a very old thing

[young pecan]

Good

[queen laurel]

That's also the case in marvel rivals

[young pecan]

It looked like in one comic where it was especially bad, it was just the author's cuckold fetish or something

[sly ivy]

What that’s the great part of human nature

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield

[queen laurel]

Yes some things in comics are

Something else

[young pecan]

That's the second way of wanting more

There is progress, and there is selfishness

[celest dome]

Humiliation fetish is something that has been applied on Namor quite often

Like he is not liked by his writers

[young pecan]

Oh I meant like Namor is the one who made Sue swoon, not like he was humiliated

[sly ivy]

Ah but u see I am an American arch capitalist

They r the same

[young pecan]

That one made Reed look like steretypical unattractive dork and he kept being like "S-Sue what are you d-doing"

At least that's not canon

[queen laurel]

The latest respect he got was from marvel rivals

Because he's actually a pretty good character there

[crisp heath]

Do you think diaper fetishes are mere humiliation fetishes or that some diaper fetishists genuinely get off to just wearing diapers as such 🤔

[outer wave]

Could be both tbh

[crisp heath]

Oops this isn't the zealot channel

[young pecan]

Greed is cringe

[humble shoal]

there's the medieval version where sue is a slave to doom

[young pecan]

You can have a sense of property without taking it too far

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

[young pecan]

Is that where Malice is from?

[humble shoal]

forget what it was called though

1782 maybe

[sly ivy]

I love this discord lmao

[humble shoal]

this one

[celest dome]

Honestly Marvel Rival is a fun game, and I think it's treating the character mostly well

I do hope we see Green Goblin as a Strategist

[sly ivy]

Ok people seem really to like that game what’s the gameplay like

Does it feel high skill ceiling like DT

[queen laurel]

It's a hero shooter so

It comes with easy characters and hard characters

Understanding mechanics

All of that gribly stuff

[winter vessel]

they give me "Billboard" Wilson Fisk, then its an 10/10.

[sly ivy]

I dunno u kids’ skibidi zoomer game genre lingo

[queen laurel]

It's like overwatch you dusty dreadnought

Understand mechanics some characters are hard some are easy

[spare osprey]

defo not high skill. it's bascially an op 6 v 6. if you can click and work with a team you're good

[queen laurel]

Not that hard

[sly ivy]

Hahaha best thing I’ve ever been called amazing

[queen laurel]

There is some high skill expression in the game like a cracked out spider-man player

[spare osprey]

oh god yeah

[winter vessel]

my problem is Iron Fist tbh

[spare osprey]

you seen them clips of a spider man dragging dudes off the map?

[celest dome]

It's OW but with more varied characters

[queen laurel]

He's not bad he just turns your back line into an episode of jujutsu kaizen

[spare osprey]

i can never hit that

[arctic talon]

Overwatch but on meth

[winter vessel]

heroes not locked behind a paywall looks at blizzard

[arctic talon]

It’s much less polished

[celest dome]

Iron Fist is really annoying to play with

[arctic talon]

He’s like

Really bad as well lol

[queen laurel]

Marvel rivals hulk is my favorite version of hulk

[arctic talon]

Marvel rivals hulk is actually kind of smart

[celest dome]

OW has heroes behind pay wall ? Since when

[arctic talon]

Overwatch 2 had that

Level 50 in BP

[queen laurel]

Yeah and he can transform willingly

[arctic talon]

To unlock

[celest dome]

huh, ok

[queen laurel]

That gamma belt go crazy

[spare osprey]

i'm a Peni main personally, so miss me with that melee stuff

instant health wipe

[winter vessel]

its funny whenever Hulk switches back to Banner, because all the heroes on the opposing just encroach and gang up on him mid transformation

[queen laurel]

Ah yes the most offensively useless tank

[spare osprey]

i grew up watching a smart hulk in earth's mightest heroes so it's nice to see again